>proven to not cause cancer >tastes good >more nicotine

>>725522080
>Label on lid literally says
"This product is not a safe alternative to cigarettes"

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>>725522080
are you thick lad

>>725522228
Government taxation bullshit, there has never been a study showing that smokeless tobacco is even a quarter as harmful as cigarettes. Here:

http://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7517-3-37

>>725522080
I don't like the lightheadedness I get from dip. Also the spit that fills in the mudjug is pretty nasty. I would rather have a cigar.

>>725522510
http://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7517-3-37

>>725522733
a cigar here and there is different, and you don't inhale cigars. I'm talking about cigarettes as they are the most comparable habit.

Cause ppl who dip walk around with a dirty ass bottle of their spit all the time it's disgusting

>>725522704
plus, pasteurized snus is even SAFER.

>>725522904
more disgusting then smelling like cigarette smoke all the time and also ruining the health of those around you from secondhand smoke?

>>725522080
Are you sure OP? My health teacher in high school would like to have a word. Also, been a dipper for 7 years m8 never switched from grizzly wintergreen longcut.

>>725523061
They're both equally disgusting it doesn't matter.

>>725522704
When you have the product itself saying it causes cancer and isn't a safe alternative then im inclined to believe that.
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/smokeless-tobacco.html

Rotting spit in soda bottles. Almost as fun to throw on women as hydrchloric acid.

>>725522704
> being the tool of tobacco industries
Kek.

>>725522080
>Why would smoke instead of dip or snus?
Why would you spend money on either?

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>>725522080

OK. You Ameriguns must seriously throw away that dipping shit and start to use REAL SNUS. Not some Ameriguns snus wannabe shit...

>>725523319
>https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/smokeless-tobacco.html

Literally no sources cited, how dense are you?

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Kek

>>725523601
>literally eating shit

>>725523601
OP here, I'm a major fan of jakobsson and thunder, just hard to get here in the states. place an order for it every couple months though.

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>>725523601

This. Ettan user here. Anno 1822 Sverige Snus.

ok wtf is this since i keep seeing these threads
i may sound like a retard but is this a chewing tobacco? if so how does it work? does it produce the same effect as smoking as one, if not how is it any better or worse?

>>725523601
121% sure you started using snus when you were 11, cuz u cool

>>725522080
I don't know what you're going on about
>Be me get canker sores monthly since i can remember
>They typically heal and go away after 2 weeks
>Start dipping grizzly wintergreen
>Sores stop healing
>Start scaring over

>>725523198
Go read the links i added above, I'm not sayng dip is perfectly safe and kids should be doing it, but it's not nearly as bad as things like highschool health class had made it out to be. I'm a kodiak man myself when it comes to WG, but the ocassional can of grizzly is great. like packing a lip of lifesavers.

>>725522080
Father in law got mouth cancer twice from dipping. It definitely causes cancer after years of use, just not in your organs.

>sneeze with dip in your mouth
>dip comes out nose
>feelsbad.jpg

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Daily reminder that dip isn´t snus

>>725524384
I´ll take shit that never happend for $400 alex

Anyone here use snuff?

>>725524523
Yea I dabbled with it a couple of times, not a big fan to be honest.

>>725522080
Snus has not been widely studied and dip causes gum disease, tooth loss, and mouth cancer.

>>725524160
This is dipping tobacco, chewing tobacco is just loose leaves of tobacco that have been soaked in sugar and molasses that are placed in the cheek, dipping tobacco is finely cut tobacco that is placed between the lip and gum, it is sometimes flavored. Both are forms of smokeless tobacco.

It produces the same effect as smoking, nicotine is absorbed through the skin and mucus membranes of the mouth. Because you are not burning the tobacco and inhaling smoke the risks are basically null compared to cigarettes. Tobacco only readily releases dangerous chemicals when heated/burnt, kinda like how the same plastic bottles you drink out of are perfectly safe but have toxic fumes when you light them on fire.

>>725524523
Is snuff the shit you snort?
If so that shit seems crazy

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/tobacco-and-cancer/smokeless-tobacco.html#references

The sources for the counterargument are under the References tab
American Cancer Society. Cancer Prevention & Early Detection Facts & Figures 2015-2016. Atlanta, Ga. 2015.

Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids. Health Harms From Smokeless Tobacco Use. September 9, 2014/Ann Boonn. Accessed at www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0319.pdf on November 11, 2015.

Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids. Smokeless Tobacco in the United States. September 9, 2014/Ann Boonn. Accessed at www.tobaccofreekids.org/research/factsheets/pdf/0231.pdf on November 11, 2015.

Connolly GN, Richter P, Aleguas A Jr, et al. Unintentional child poisonings through ingestion of conventional and novel tobacco products. Pediatrics. 2010;125(5):896-899.

National Cancer Institute. Smokeless Tobacco and Cancer. October 25, 2010. Accessed at www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/tobacco/smokeless-fact-sheet on November 11, 2015.

Popova L, Ling PM. Alternative tobacco product use and smoking cessation: A national study. Am J Public Health. 2013;103(5):923-930.

Schauer GL, Malarcher AM, Babb SD. Prevalence and correlates of switching to another tobacco product to quit smoking cigarettes. Nicotine Tob Res. 2015;17(5):622-627.

Siddiqi K, Shah S, Abbas SM, et al. Global burden of disease due to smokeless tobacco consumption in adults: Analysis of data from 113 countries. BMC Med. 2015;13:194.

>>725524335
http://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7517-3-37

Cancer is one of the most common diseases in the world, and everything from diet to preexisting genetic conditions can cause/contribute to cancer. there has been no links of dip to mouth cancer, hell the only type of cancer it has been shown to even slightly increase the chance of is prostate cancer.

>>725522080
Sup OP, got Grizzly Premium Dark Wintergreen packed right now.
How does Skoal Spearmint hold up to regular mint? Mint in dip tastes like toothpaste to my tastes but I like Skoal XTRA Mint.

Anyone know where I can order some European tobacco or real snus online?

>>725524313
but did you get cancer and can you breath?

>>725524452
oh it happens, and it sucks.

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>>725524523
I bought Silver Dollar snuff from the TobaccoCo in Seattle when I was touring around downtown. I don't really feel a buzz while using it but it's adventurous to try and feels interesting.

>>725524384
did that w/ Copenhagen wintergreen the other day. definitely feelsbadman

>>725524160
It functions like chew. You put it under your lip, taste the juices, then spit them out. It works the same but you don't need to chew on a leaf wad.

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>>725525178
I´ve been doing snus since 1997 and it havent happend to me once famlam

>>725525180
Any advice on getting a pinch? I've honestly been using a literal spoon to scoop it into my mouth because the shit falls apart and all over the floor. I'm just a pleb

>>725524682
http://harmreductionjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1477-7517-3-37

Gum disease and tooth loss only occur when someone combines poor oral health with dip, and cancer has not been linked to smokeless use.

its also not nearly as enjoyable as a cigarette. enjoy ur rotten black teeth OP

>>725524921
Just checked, none of these have actual proof from studied groups that smokeless causes cancer. kinda leaning towards OP's view on this one

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>>725522080
Why ingest the nicotine jew at all?
Correlation does not equal causation, but I know quite a few people with fucked up gums who just so happened to chew tobacco their entire lives.

T. Southern Ohio not too far from West Virginia redneck

>>725525450
Cigarettes don't have enough free nicotine to give me the buzz I enjoy. Recommended brands?

(not op)

>>725522080
Been working in a cigar store for close to 3 years. Avid snus user, about once a month I buy a dozen or so cans from snuscentral.
But however dip is a completely different product and has been treated, cut, seasoned, and even grown completely differently.

Snus is easily the least risk tobacco you can use, I challenge you to find a documented case of cancer caused by strictly snus. None of this "he used snus like twice but smoked for thirty years" bullshit.

>>725524523
American here, shit's fucking great. >>725524755
You don't snort it, you gently sniff or "snuff" it into the inner nostrils and take in the odor and nicotine. It's more pleasant than it sounds.

>>725525355
Wouldn't chewing tobacco eat away at your teeths enamel, and along with the rough hairs on your toothbrush that would be even worse if you brush your teeth after chewing. Right?
Kinda like how your not suppose to drink orange juice right after you brush your teeth because the acid eats away at enamel.

>>725525056
http://www.snusdistribution.com/ and northerner are a good place to start. I like spearmint not great not bad. don't know if it's worth picking up a can of though, i'm usually a copenhagen mint guy when it comes to flavored dip but i like trying everything.

>>725525355
Blah blah blah some website that you repetitively post, there's already been statistics that link oral tobacco with mouth cancer.

>>725525180
CERPENHERGEN SNERF

What i started dipping on. love that shit. about 9$ a tin in m area though, LC is only 6 and some change so that's the way i go.

>>725525779
>As FDA apparently has no love for the US Military, we are no longer allowed to ship to APO or FPO addresses. We're really sorry about that. Stupid micro-managing, social experimenting Washington bureaucrats.....

I'm fucked, but thanks for the info. Maybe I can use one of those amazon boxes downtown.

>>725525212
It's like dirty muckwater cocaine, definitely gets some looks when you do it in public. about the only time i pickup nasal snuff is when i can take it, a mirror, a razor blade, and a rolled up 100$ to a public place and freak people out.

>>725525702
Cigar store fag here
In my opinion Wilson's of Sharrow English snuff is the best buy out there.
They've medicated and more robust snuff, my favourite is the Irish High Toast, it's got an initial nutty aroma and then it hits you hard with a very smokey, oak'y' finish

>>725525654
Heresy, snuff is the real ultra safe tobacco product.

>>725526091
I love it anon

>>725525314
snus prills are a little different than dip. dip floats around with little bits of tobacco a lot more.

>>725526186
Dip is a larger cut than snus

>>725525339
gotta rub it against the side of the can, using the wax to stick it together and you'll probably end up packing a couple fillers, you can't get huge hoggers out of snuff.

This vid helps too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1TfeUNgOg

>>725526116
If you overuse snuff it can lead to an almost permanent nasal/sinus infection.
I love the stuff, but you can't use it every ten minutes like you want to.
I use medicated snuff when my nose gets stopped up to open it and it works wonders, and that Irish High Toast snuff after I smoke because goddamn shit feels good man

>>725526108
I have to agree, I've got Wilson's Apple, the stuff is like walking into some rustic town or forest. I like snuff from the FUBAR line, Sir Walter Scott, but also small quantities of American Snuff like sweetened Red Seal for mild summer days.

Because I don't want cancer. Kissing with a mouth full of that shit is disgusting. Don't want to be a pleb constantly spitting into a bottle. Don't want fiberglass in my lips. Need I keep going?

>>725525637
OP here, if you're intent on smoking and want to pick up a buzz try camel studs (unfiltered) and pall mall non filters. if you want something cheaper and more common try Marlboro red (orginal, no kings or 100's) and hard smoke the shit out of them. should be enough to get most anyone buzzing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuiiFBsfKM8

>>725524007
Americun here. You are seriously a huge faggot for using a Prismaker. Is that one of those overprices Piece of shit Icetools? Snus is good and I've probably had more brands than anyone on this forum but using something like that automatically makes you a cunt.

Also copenhagen was made is 1822 along with ettan. COINCIDENCE?!?!

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sounds like OP is defensive to reaffirm his beliefs.

>>725526516
>fiberglass
That's a myth, nicotine does just fine getting to your blood by bonding to your mucous membranes.

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Nothin like a good ol lip /b/

>>725522080
Non-smoker, but so much this.
Been to Scandinavia, its so much nicer. No need to smell smoke all the time.
It may not seem like a big deal, but you'll notice once you come back.
Was irritating as fuck the first weeks.

>>725525574
OP here, it's better to not ingest nic at all. I will agree with you there.

i had a substitute teacher who didnt have a jaw because of chewing tabacco

OP here, I'm a fag and love dicks

>>725526492
I see we've a connoisseur in our midst!
I'm much more of a snus fan personally but I can't get enough of my snuff.
Working in a cigar store I smoke my pipe quite often as well, but that seems to be a topic for a different thread

>>725525450
not nearly as enjoyable? lolk. I'll enjoy my dip while not standing outside freezing my nuts off and smelling like shit, plus you can brush your teeth. Can't brush your lungs.

>>725525654
I'm a proponent of snus, don't know what you're getting at. Both dip and snus are low risk, and snus is even lower. I'm just saying all forms of smokeless shouldn't be demonized like cigarettes as they are clearly better for you.

>>725526710
Still look stupid spitting into a bottle constantly. Enjoy wasting your money.

>>725525732
Nope. tobacco isn't acidic, and only really damages your gums and not your enamel. To be safe you usually want to give it 15-20 minutes after consuming anything to brush your teeth in general.

>>725525916
that have no way to backup their claims, look at them.

>>725526886
This thread's about tobacco use, and while I think OP is a faggot for claiming dip doesn't cause cancer despite clear indications it does, I'm big into tobacco. I take snuff, smoke on pipes, smoke cigars of varying sizes and colors, I like snuff when it's hot, snus when it's cold and dip and chew from summer to fall. I was even nicknamed the "tobacco man" by friends and family after making my own cigars. Tobacco is great, but should never be abused.

>>725526705
Yeah, op isn't the one talking about that shit
That'd be me
The reason that's put on the can is because the idiotic American public (like yourself) doesnt know there's a difference between nasal snuff and snuff.
That picture is of nasal snuff, which is incredibly safe because the nicotine that goes into your bloodstream is so negligent that the buzz, and therefore the nicotine is gone in a matter of minutes..... when taken nasally.
Fucking plebians like yourself put it in your lip and think you're John Wayne or some stupid bullshit and then that finely cut tobacco goes right into your bloodstream and stays there causing cancer.

You want to challenge my tobacco knowledge again fuckboi?

>>725526053
would be worth a shot, could also look into picking up a PO box near your location. Usually they are cheap and surprisingly useful.

>>725523717
Bottom of the page dumbass

>>725527105
Not OP, just a guy dismantling your erroneous information.

>>725527566
It's been proven to be in different brands on smokeless tobacco but whatever you say kiddo.

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>>725527518
Both are still bad for your health.
Why do you have to defend your habits? If you like what you put into your body, guess what, who the fuck cares?

It's different when you try to reaffirm your beliefs with made-up factoids.
>"It's not proven cancerous
>"It's not as bad as [insert x]!"

>>725522080
>proven not to cause cancer
my neighbor died from mouth cancer from chewing. wherever you're getting information from is full of shit.

>tastes good
if you like the taste of shit and leaves.

>doesn't make you smell like shit
your breath will smell like ass and most dippers carry around a cup of spit which is just fucking disgusting.

>>725526516
>uses the word pleb

ruined your entire argument there kiddo.

dip doesn't cause cancer and that has been proven multiple times, not that hard to pop a dip out before making out with someone and if you're so fugly you can't pull tail with a lip packed I feel bad for you, there is alternative spitters to a bottle, as well as just swallowing the spit, and fiberglass in dip is another fake scare tactic implemented by the media and government. the nicotine absorbs perfectly fine though your mucus membranes and there is no need for abrasion.

>>725523717
looks like somebody needs to go back to community and take Interneting 101. It'll be a little out of your normal tractor route but just think of it as an investment

>>725526731
haven't had a change to try dark WG yet, how is it? How does it stack up against say copenhagen WG?

>>725527354
You're willfully ignorant if you think that's true. Even on a more logical level baseball players who used oral tobacco a lot ended up with mouth, jaw, or throat cancer, just look at Bill Tuttle.

>>725522080
mouth cancer
throat cancer
still good shit though

>>725527761
In that case if you claim certain brands have fiberglass then you wouldn't mind presenting the brands and information that verifies your claims.

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Because smoking stuff like this tastes 1000x better and also doesn't give you cancer at near the rate of cigarettes

>>725527793
Do you know what else is bad for your health in excess? because I can make a list
>water
>oxygen
>food
>sunlight
>guns
>alcohol
>salt

I can keep going if you'd like man.
The thread isn't about "if it's bad when you use too much" jesus third graders know too much tobacco will kill you
The question was "is it cancerous" and you argued that it was and you're wrong (assuming you know the correct way to use it)
I guess some people just can't gracefully admit defeat

>>725528501
That is easily my favourite pipe tobacco
With such an exquisite smokey flavour.
It reminds me of going camping next to the fire

>>725528501
cigars and pipes are a different beast, you don't inhale them and not too many people smoke 20+ cigars a day (like cigarette smokers smoke 20+ cigarettes a day)

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>>725525339
Bite that mother fucker you pussy!

>>725525927
Damn! It's about half that down here in South Texas!

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>>725524523

Ettan user here. The first and original ;)

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>>725528575
>arguing via whataboutism
You're trying way to hard to reaffirm your beliefs. Like I said, no one gives a fuck what you do. But don't make shit up to make yourself feel comfortable

>>725528575
Is reading comprehension not your strong suit, or are just willingly ignorant? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the latter.

>The question was "is it cancerous" and you argued that it was and you're wrong

Here's OP: Because smoking stuff like this tastes 1000x better and also doesn't give you *cancer -at near the rate- of cigarettes*
OP admitting it gives cancer, regardless of what rate.

Refer to
>>725528501
>>725527354
>>725525571
>>725522704

>I guess some people just can't gracefully admit defeat
Nice projection.
I guess not, huh?

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>>725522080
the only one strong and cheap enough where i live

>>725529274
>>>>>>725528501 talks about fucking pipe tobacco
>threads about smokeless tobacco

>>725529274
FUCKING REKT
>>725529224
bet ur mouth smells like a hobos ass
>>725529016
good keep killin urself

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Whats this mean to you?

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>>725529578

>>725529545
>jesus third graders know too much tobacco will kill you
> jesus third graders know too much tobacco will kill you
Except this dude is talking about tobacco in general
Having trouble keeping up?

Because i don't fuck my cousin. And ride a pick up

>>725529712
Not even worth it at this point.
He posted a picture of his goddamn pipe packed with a beautiful tin of Dunhill 965 (which tastes ten times better than bulk btw good taste sir)

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Too lazy to take a pic, was easier to find one. But Swedish snus is the best stuff there is, I only use Göteborg's but it's not so easy to get here in Finland.

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>>725529274
No, you quoted me, some random anon.
I'm not op.

I like pipes, not dip, because I'm not some rural mouthbreather who can't be made to not drool on himself. That they taste better too is just icing on the cake.

I can also read, and am not going to lie about health risks just to deceive myself. It's not healthy-I don't fucking care. I'm gonna die anyway, might as well do something I want to do in the meantime.

>>725529985
What's that, admitting defeat? Thanks
Enjoy your cancer

>>725530022
> goat borg rape

>>725530282
I'm not here to compete with other brands, I'm only promoting the use of Swedish snus, which is top quality.