NEVER get dependent on adderall. I've been taking a four

>>724392161
Too late.
Did my best to avoid it too; tried to keep tolerance from skyrocketing.
Prohibited myself from taking more than 1/4th of a pill at a time. All it did was make it so by the time I'd gotten enough in my system to be effective; I'd already been up 24 hours, & I'd end up doing another 3-4 pills (1/4 at a time) over the next 48 hours or more, no sleep.

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>>724392161
>NEVER get dependent on Pepe's.
>I've been taking a four day tolerance break from my pepe. I've been taking it practically every day ever since I started middle school, and I'm a junior in college now.
>Today I woke up at 12PM, started eating ice cream out of the fucking tub and proceeded to raid the fridge again about every hour. Clogged my toilet last night and the profound lack of motivation that comes with pepe withdrawal has prevented me from doing anything about it. So I just walked into the woods next to my apartment, took a massive shit, then wiped with leaves. Pepe withdrawal isn't quite painful, but it's... degrading, to say the least.

I got addicted to heroin and methamphetamine.

>>724392161
Nice copy pasta brah

Or, maybe you lack complete self control and act like a fucking animal. Don't blame adderall dependence has you making dumb decisions.

>>724392483
Yeah, I know the feel. Sleep deprived and hopped on amphetamines it's a hellish feeling. Idk if it's just because I handle sleep loss very poorly, but it's legit painful to me when I use it to pull an all-nighter. I can practically feel my dopamine receptors sizzling and dying off.

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>>724392534
NEVER get dependent on pepsi.

I've been taking a four day tolerance break from my pepsi. I've been drinking it practically every day ever since I started middle school, and I'm a junior in college now.

Today I woke up at 12PM, started eating ice cream out of the fucking tub and proceeded to raid the fridge again about every hour. Clogged my toilet last night and the profound lack of motivation that comes with pepsi withdrawal has prevented me from doing anything about it. So I just walked into the woods next to my apartment, took a massive shit, then wiped with leaves. Pepsi withdrawal isn't quite painful, but it's... degrading, to say the least.

>>724392600
It's not... go search the whole thing or individual phrases on a search engine, you won't get shit.

>>724392635
Uuuhhh have you ever withdrawn from amphetamines? I didn't act like this before I stopped taking them and my self control is satisfactory while I'm taking it.

>>724392161
nigga number one
it's called a plunger
two
every college student eats dumb meals
quit feeling sorry for yourself

>>724392705
Used to work for Pepsi. Man that shit is terrible, can't believe I made money pushing it.

>>724392636
Weird when you get around the 36 hour mark; and start getting shark brain shit, parts of your brain sleeping. Start getting confused, seeing shit moving in your peripherals...

>>724392823
Well that means going out to buy a plunger. And ravenous, unending hunger is a very common symptom of withdrawal. It's sort of like being high on weed except it's dysphoric.

>>724392635
Self control has far less to do with it that tolerance buildup.
Eventually you get to a point where you're taking more than is good for your body to get the same effect.
Have to keep in mind too, that some have scrips for this, so taking it is actually a necessity.

>>724392161
Lol
I've been taking it since I was 6 junior.
I really know what you mean.
I don't go through withdraws and I can readily quit.
I just can't function at all without it, and quickly fall into a pit. Bad thing is on top of being dependent on stims I'm also hopelessly addicted to marijuana.
Activities like mindfullness mediation, scuba diving/hiking, yoga, bonsai, and field biology have proven invaluable for devolping my ability to focus my attention. Check em out

>>724392586
dam

>>724392635
Don't act like you know about situations you can't possibly understand you arrogant prick

Went through a shitty period in my life. Suicide in family and other shit.

Had a prescription of Vyvanse. Kinda like adderall but lasts longer.

I would keep taking it to stay awake for 3 days and jerk off 12 hours straight. Edging for hours.

Best fap marathons in my life.

>>724393813
I've only started to develop this in the last year or so; fucking CONSANTLY horny on it.

>>724393591
I actually still can't accomplish anything intentionally with 60+mg a day

If you do take adderall dont take it in the weeekend

>>724393813
ooooo yeah those amphetamine edging sessions <3

>>724394576
>>724394002

lol my thumb knuckle snaps when I bend it fast because of it.

my cock is totally fine.

that's testament to mans sexuality

>>724392161
>lack of motivation from withdrawel
anon, i've been sober for 4 years, and that doesn't go away. that's fucking permanent

>>724392586
im lucky i live in NJ, the one place in the whole country that doesnt have a meth problem, so ive never even tried it.

although i have been on and off heroin for the past 12 years...

>>724395059
...
How the fuck do you even function then?

>>724396111
i fucking don't. i'm on disability, though, so i don't have to

>>724392483
>Adderall withdrawal

There is no physical withdrawal from Adderall. Its all mental. You're replacing the Adderall with food cause your dopamine production is low as fuck. Ride it out op.

>>724396437
it takes 6-8 months for the brain to re-wire itself and establish new pathways. there is a physical mechanism of withdrawel, and its symptoms are mental

Addy comedown can be extremely depressing at least for me. Sometimes even cry at the end of the day with an overwhelming sense of guilt or because I'll think about time and how everyone's getting older and I'll eventually have to bury my parents and shit like that. Shit sucks man

>>724396935
Come Dow is hard I just taken a xannax and a a bottle of wine ask your doctor for alternativesale

>>724396935
i don't think OP is talking about depressed dip during the comedown, anon. i think he's talking about the new reduced dopamine baseline that gets established for longer term sobriety

>>724396935
I feel the same... I think the pill last for 14h depressing and nervous ending

>>724392161
If you see a thread you should answer that we don't need ADD/AdHD it

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>>724397719
indeed. booze helps. the alternative is worse than the adderall roller coaster. mein kampf continues.

>>724396359
You're just a lazy nigger.

>>724398407
>lazy/nigger is qualification enough for disability

I don't really see how did you use to take it to get the withdrawal. I'm a medical student, been taking it for 3 years and I don't feel more or less motivated or lazy. Also I take like 40 mg a day

>>724397719
How many mgs do you take? I take 20 xr and 10-20 ir in the afternoon when I feel the original wearing off

>>724398010
Wine do the ritalin coaster

>>724398407
Probably prior military. If not then yeah lazy nigger.

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>>724398510
i know being a lazy nigger is a disability but that doesn't mean you can't still aim high and do something with your life.

>>724398713
yeah, i'm prior military. i'm on disability because my back is fucked

Adderall and feces are a myth

>>724398713
what's one got to do with the other? do you work at the VA? file all the paperwork in the garbage?!

>>724392161
I used to inject amphetamines daily. was fucking awesome I miss those times

>>724398813
How did you break your back?

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>>724398560
10mg in the morning, 10mg after the lunch 300mg pregabalin in the afternoon

>>724398944
repetitive hard manual labor, anon
carried very heavy shit all day every day for about a decade

>>724397239
you just reminded me that i had a couple xanax left. bless your heart anon

>>724398946
We have 04:52 and im still awake

>>724392161
I was in the same boat. I stopped because I enjoy eating and having the occasional emotion.

Started smoking weed and selling the addy to college kids for 5$ a pill for 20mgs

>>724399036
that'll do it. at least you goys got osama though. thank you for your service.

>>724399091
No problem why you are reminded of xanax I would think only of xanax

>>724399100
>same time zone here
you from germany?

>>724399184
you're welcome, but i'm still not used to hearing it. i got out before the 2nd iraq war started (but after 9/11), and people didn't give a shit, didn't say thank you like they do now. being a veteran doesn't carry any extra status for me

>>724399171
Wish I live in the USA here In Germany I sell one pill for 2€

No shit, your dopamine receptors are probably fried. Make sure you're taking chelated magnesium to prevent tolerance build up and taking an antacid helps before dosing to potentiate the effects.

>>724398813
Nice, I fucked myself up in the military too. I was too lazy and irritated to deal with the va though so I took my severance and ran, I wish I fought them harder though

>>724399344
Yeah

>>724399614
i got myself kicked out, so i didn't have to worry about seeking any kind of benefits. once i was done i burned everything and did my best to pretend it never happened

>>724392986
never heard of buying a plunger before you need it? dumbass

>>724399564
>>724399647
eine idee wie man hierzulande an modafinil kommt?
die ganzen websites die aus indien schicken liefern nicht nach dt.

>>724399344
Aus welchen Bundesland bist du ?

>>724399770
Yeah it's got a way of fucking your head up permanently for sure. What branch were you? I was in the army

>>724400028
>>724400076
we speak english here, hitler. you cut that shit out.

>>724400028
Ich habe nur ritalin, KP wie du modafinil bekommst

>>724400211
Sieg heil

>>724400200
navy. and yeah, my head was pretty fucked up for a few years. my theory is that for people who come from broken homes, it's a step up and a source of structure and discipline that they've never known before, but for people with intact homes and strong family ties, it's just a culture shock and a mind fuck - better avoided

>>724400076
schleswig holstein, aus so einer behinderten kleinstadt -.-'

>>724392483
you are abusing the drug. you are taking way way more than you should if you don't intend to abuse amphetamines.
if you do intent to abuse amphetamines adderal isn't a good choice because, as you have found out, you can't really stack it.
if your looking for amphetamines you can really abuse try meth or PVP or, hell even cocaine has more potential than adderol.

if you don't intent to abuse adderol then you are going to have to face the music and cold turkey it, and never increase your daily dose so far that you can't sleep or crash hard. thats simply not an appropriate dose, that is a recriational dose, that is not in any way maintainable, hate to break it to you, thats the reality of amphetamine abuse. it only gets worse so if you want out do it now and dont come back.

>>724392161
Real shit OP. Got hooked on them and the comedowns from high doses were the worst thing I've ever felt. Didn't know what I was taking was synthetic meth until after kicking the habit

>>724400383
wenn du ritalin willst hâttest du einen dealer.....

>>724400468
You sound like the anon who started a thread last night about his butthole being haunted. Is this you?

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>>724400552
enough!

>>724400518
its related to meth but not really comparable. it can get bad but since you can't really do it hard for many days on end its potential is really limited for recreational use.

>>724400577
no, haha. not sure my post and ass ghosts relate but now im wonderin

>>724400376
Couldn't agree more man

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>>724400600
Okay

>>724399343
im addicted to heroin, not xanax, so i mostly waste my mental energy thinking about smack

>>724392161
and yet you have enough of an attention span to make an intelligible post. that's so weird. it's almost like the FDA is scamming you.

>>724400468
I have a scrip. I'm supposed to be taking it.
I'm not trying to abuse it; but there's nothing I can really do to stave off the tolerance buildup long term.

>>724400552
hm, zwar kein moda, aber ich denk drüber nach...
welcher landkreis?
und wie viel pro pille?

>>724400383
Wenn du keine person hast ich bin da habe auch noch Dexedrine....

>>724401030
you shouldnt be getting significant tolorance for resonable doses of adderol. maybe you are just unlucky and this is the case for you, if so i would switch to something else. ritalin, for instance, is much harder to accidentally abuse, which you are doing, intentionally or not.
a doctor would end your script if you told him you were getting withdrawls from it.

>>724400577
boy, i wish i caught that one. why did he think it was haunted?

>>724401207
>a doctor would end your script if you told him you were getting withdrawls from it.
I already did; and he didn't. Had to get a recent one like a week early b/c my vehicle was broken into at a job site & they got my bag with my scrip & wallet in it.

I once took lots of adderall, mainly just for fun, and to get me focused and to do shit. I once took 30mg pills for a week straight and then took 60mg of it the day before I had a concert. The withdrawals felt like I had the flu. It never really affected my hunger though.

>>724401207
if you are withdrawing from amphetamines then the amount your taking wont be enough to maintain without crashing for very long. you will always be doing more and more from this point to get the same effect and eventually that will stop working too. like i said adderol has low abuse potential compared to meth et al. still significant abuse potential but not crazy.

>>724401068
>Rlp manchmal in Hessen
>2€ 5mg

>>724401423
tell that to the fucking retard who told me a couple threads ago there was no difference between meth and addy.

>>724401362
he will only increase your dose so far. if you are crashing its already too far IMO considering that there are many other ADD meds that are not as habit forming as adderol which is an amphetamine unlike riatlin/concerta for instance.

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NEVER get dependent on cocks.

I've been taking a four day tolerance break from cocks. I've been sucking it practically every day ever since I started middle school, and I'm a junior in college now.

Today I woke up at 12PM, jammed a banana in my mouth and proceeded to eat corn dogs again about every hour. Clogged my toilet last night and the profound lack of motivation that comes with cock withdrawal has prevented me from doing anything about it. So I just walked into the woods next to my apartment, took a massive shit, then wiped with leaves. Cock withdrawal isn't quite painful, but it's... degrading, to say the least.

>>724401580
Lmao

>>724401580
no one who has done meth and adderol will tell you they are the same.
no one who seen someone abusing meth and someone abusing adderol would make that mistake

>>724401580
Whaat???kek

>>724395059
It's almost as though Adderall is meant to help the synapses associated with motivation trigger. .

>>724401631
As is, atm; I do one "session" (couple days w no sleep dosing) & then a couple days off, abstaining.
Trying to keep it from getting any higher than it currently is.

>>724399343
>>724399091
get off xanax as quickly as possible - you're life is worth more than climbing ladders everyday

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>>724401272
he was taking adderall to stay awake nights because he was shitting himself while he was asleep. it only happened when he was asleep. i'm not sure how you get from shitting the bed to "my asshole is haunted", but because it only happened in his bedroom in a new apartment and nowhere else he decided it must be haunted. why didn't he just sleep in another room and stop taking adderall? typical kook, really.

>>724401748

http://theinfluence.org/neuroscientist-meth-is-virtually-identical-to-adderall-this-is-how-i-found-out/

>>724401991
Yeah I only do xanax every 2-4 weeks I know about the addiction

>>724393744
Been on 40mg xr a day for 4 years, never took more than I was prescribed, I sometimes don't take my dose for days at a time, never been even really noticeable. If you don't do what a DOCTOR TELLS YOU TO DO when dealing with FUCKING AMPHETAMINES you are the arrogant prick.

>>724401852
its almost like if your brain gets used to a high level of dopamine in your synapses it compensates for the abnormal effects by becoming more tolorant to dopamine thereby making not only the meds eventually ineffective at all but relatively low doses (especially for adderol) but they make you depressed when you loose the artificial dopeamine bump and are forced to wait for your brain to readjust its tolorance while experiancing life as a dull grey in the mean time.

abusing uppers plays out like clock work. a lot of people take em get a little high and assume they worked as intended. ADD meds are not prescribed to make the user high. they shouldn't make you feel good.

>>724402038
meth is only worse than addy because brainwashing & propaganda
gtfo anon. an hero at the earliest available opportunity

>>724402267
Whose fault is that?

>>724402160
good girl, i only want the best for you anon

>>724402203
says the little lady who "needs" 40mg a day. give ma fucking break, rebecca. your brain is broken, you frail cunt.

>>724392161
Adderall is what saved me from a drinking and cocaine problem that was spiraling out of control. I'm able to control my adderall use. With whiskey and coke all I wanted was more, more, more.

That said, I am trying to give it up too. I'm tired of feeling like I need something to get me through the day.

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>>724401068
Ich hab in Hessen genug Leute deswegen solltest du mir sagen ob du was willst ? , Definitiv keine e abzielen weil ich die Tabletten nicht vertrage. .. hab auch noch stratterra...

>>724401897
oh man you are fucking abusing the drug dude. you are fuckin in it now.
hate to burst your bubble but one way or another your going to face the pain of withdrawl, might not be so bad if you havn't been doing this for long. don't really know addy doses well i fuck with harder stuff mostly so idk how far in you are.

look if you want to abuse drugs i would be a hipocryte to tell you not to but you need to respect amphetamines, they can cause you a lot of pain and can really ruin your life and they do to many people who become addicted which you very much have.

normal adderol use does not get you addicted. you should stop if you don't intent to use recreationaly. you really really should. ask your doctor to go on ritalin. it will make your comedown a lot easier while probably you will be less likely to bing on it.

>>724402366
how about the medical and pharmaceutical industry that prescribe and produce amphs to elementary grade children and damage their dopamine levels throughout their foundation years causing them to require far higher amounts of dopamine for motivation later in life

>>724402267
so much this

why do people not do reaserch on potent drugs, or not follow a doctors instructions perfectly

"it's this pills fault i'm a dumb fuck who takes 4 instead of 2"

>>724392161
>adderall

try getting off Fentanyl and get back to me, fucking tourist.

godspeed OP. feel better soon,

>>724402453
At least wait until you finish law school before kicking Adderall. You can hang on that much longer. Don't give up.

>>724402345

Nothing like the truth to get little nigs angry.

>>724402439
what

>>724402653
>fentanyl
addict, hope you doing well...

>>724402038
right my point stands. scientists dont do meth.
any speed freak can tell you that meth is not addy, lol. not even in the same fucking ball park.

go take addy for 5 days, try it you fool. not gunna happen. totaly dissimilar potential, probably not a use case a scientists consideres but it is the logical conclusion of recreation use. it is how you really trip on amphetamines be they meth or cathinone or other.

addy is low tier. end of story.

>>724402761
Being addicted is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

>>724402703
the article was bullshit, anon. written from a non-abuser who said propaganda is the only reason people think there's a difference. as a former abuser, there is a massive difference between the two

>>724402664
wut? I'm a machinist, and have no intention of ever going to law school.

>>724402588
>you are fucking abusing the drug dude
>you need to respect amphetamines
Well aware of both points.
My pills are 30mg. Been on for about 4 years now.

>>724402940
Quitter!

>>724402366
does really matter the adivice im giving is relevant and important if you are in this guys situation and don't know what your doing.

if your going to get into hard drug addiction at least do it with some intent or purpose, lest you harm yourself or your life in vain. which this guy already did since he has to crash to get back to normal which might take a long time if he has been abusing for a long time.

>>724403159
shut up grandpa. no one wants your lecture.

>>724402943
How is your come down ? What are you takin to make it less shirty

>>724402824

You obviously just haven't taken nearly enough Addy. Try 400mg at once and get back to me scrub.

>>724392161
I'm currently on Strattera. It's way better than Adderall. Also I find every ADHD medication makes me unhungry so when I'm off, no fridge is safe.

>>724403210
well if its any consolation i didn't want your opinion but i still got it, so i feel your pain.

>>724403210
You should listen to him

>>724402838
>what is the first step?

>>724401991
i only had 30 footballs for one month with no refills.
so im not worried right now.
luckily im not dopesick right now either

>>724402653
>Fentanyl

try getting off a decade of xanax abuse and get back me, faggot

its not a fucking competition dickhead but all the best to you

>>724402012
that is incredible
i wouldve come to the same conclusion
its only logical

>>724403460
I have a allergy when I take stratterra is it way better then adderall or ritalin

>>724403249
Comedown is shit. Sleep for 3-6 hours for every 3-6 I'm up. Constantly tired, no motivation to do anything. Feel tight & sore everywhere. Massive, major depression. I used to smoke weed but I've been off that for well over a year now; currently I take nothing but some ibuprofen now & then for the soreness.

>>724403404
not that anon, but i have. i kept addies as a backup for when my meth ran out, and guess what, asshole, it's not the fucking same. meth "pushes" you harder. addies just kept me awake, but didn't motivate me, didn't keep me active like meth did

>>724403404
take 400mg of addy without tolorance and prepare to fuzz the fuck out. at least meth doesn't fuzz your brain when you use enough to get recreationally high since its dosage is much lower.
its like you have only read about meth and addy. go fuckin try em.
its like your telling me there is no difference between 100 bycicles and a 1 ton truck because they weigh the same. they are not the same, not even fuckin close.

>>724402012
i dont think you can make that kinda shit up

>>724402535
i dont speak nazi ching chong talk but
TITS OR GTFO

>>724403745
this. if i take too much adderall my thought process goes to shit and i don't comprehend things, basic things, embarrassingly simple things. it's bad.

>>724403042
you tell 'im buddy!

>>724392924
Shit is nuts when you get around 72-96 hours hours of no sleep. You definitely are having some visuals by now. The visual stuff never really bothered me too much, I could usually separate the signal from the noise; reality and everything else.

The auditory hallucinations really got to me. If I was going on a few days with no sleep and went into public it was the worst. All the chatter around you starts to get misinterpreted by your sleep deprived brain. All of a sudden it seems like everyone is whispering about you. They know how tweaked you are. It feels like you're object of everyone's scrutiny.

>>724403687
crash sucks without anything to get your mind off of it.
micro dosing DMT really makes the immediate comedown easy for me, off of hard shit too. totally gets rid of physical symptoms which can be overwhelming at first. i find it helps way more than weed.
any tranquilizer will work pretty well too, nox/hippy crack or benzos are a sure fire way to skip the really hard part - actually stopping long enough to crash in the first place. once you start to crash there is pretty much no good way to go back so thats not typically where people have trouble.

>>724403926
newfag

>>724403745

Sounds like your brain is just shit.

>>724404161
oh dearie me! newfag?? anything but that!

Anyone else freak out when they smoke weed with addy in their system? I think I'm having a heart attack when I do it.

>>724404112
its basic amphetamine psychosis which is almost always manifested as paranoid schizophrenia.
everyone who really gets into speed becomes pretty familiar with it.
really it sucks hard. really hard. it gets worse than you probably think it can. but its not that hard to avoid if you space things out.

Ching Chang choose Lee ie ta loo

>>724404375
girls should go the fuck to sleep after day 3
guys should go the fuck to sleep after day 4
that always kept it in check for me

>>724404112
So much this; I have mild audie hallucinations now & then as is; they're fucking constant w the addie very early on in a sleepless run.

>>724404126
It'd be a lot worse if I wasn't so familiar w the withdrawl effects by now. Trying to give my body a break by not doing anything while coming down off the addie.

>>724404210
go try it you moron you are talking out of your asshole. 400mg of addy would suck ass if you were not tolorant. even if you were that tolorant you would fuzz the fuck out so hard you would probably not be able to move if you were going past day 2 awake.
meth, you can keep going for days longer. do 30mg of meth and have a better time than 400mg of addy and tell me they are the same drug you really aer dumb.

>>724404471
>things my rabbi whispers in my ear

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>>724400383
?
Ein nein oder ja wäre nicht schlecht

>>724404554

>2 days awake...lol...I've taken like 150mg of Adderall and stayed up completely fine for 3 days. Get on my level I guess.

>>724404749
>150mg addy, 3 day run
low tolerance motherfucker
at my peak i was going through 250mg+ per day

>>724404471
for me i limit myself to 1.5 - 2 days because recover is easier and really, you reasonable peak has come and gone at that point, maintaining becomes pretty expensive and painful after day 2 unless your reckless with how much you do, and in that case you pay for it with a longer and more severe withdrawl.
still totally possible on meth and some cathinones and totally impossible on addy. on weak shit like addy you actually dream while your awake after 2 days because you are so fuzzed. super surreal and totaly a trip-ender. there is no coming back from that, you will be unable to continue.

>>724404911

Did I say that was the most I ever took? That was my early days.

>>724404945
i only did addy as a back-up. my experience with it was severely limited

>>724404749
>5 of my pills at once
Christ; I'd rather be a fucking cheap date.
The high from that kind of dose isn't worth your body having to process all that shit in your system.

>>724404749
yeah because your not a junkie. your brain has near normal dopamine if thats the case and if so you have no fucking idea what it is to abuse uppers. you really dont know.
the dopamine levels in my brain will probably never again be as high as they are now in your oh so experianced brain.

fine. dismiss my advice, treat addy and meth the same. hopefully you will never learn your wrong. but to anyone tracking the debate i think its clear you have no idea what your talking about and several people who do say you are totally wrong.
doctors don't treat them the same. wonder why.

>>724402838
ya i said im not

>>724405038
Am I the only o e who did this shit like prescription said it ?

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>>724405276
you'll never be a lady.

>>724405344
ok, what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?

>>724405344
Kek

>>724405295
i was never prescribed anything. i self-medicated for an anti-depressant

>>724405295
i stopped taking my ADD meds when i was 17, 10 years ago. ive been using drugs recreationally for over a decade, uppers for maybe 8 years.

in no way do i get close to the same thing out of add meds used as prescribed and add meds/uppers used recreationaly.

i dont think abusing drugs is a good idea per se but i have my reasons and i would not recommend to anyone abusing add meds, specifically adderol moreso than others if they are not away of and prepared for the pain of withdrawl and the constant nagging that comes from knowing extacy is but a few simple actions away at all times, the real curse for speed and opiate junkies, which never goes away, ever.

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>>724405446
I have ADD and I feel like a shit of stimulans....

>>724403572
>its not a fucking competition

A lot of times drug users do act like it is unfortunately. It creates an atmosphere where users either don't seek treatment because they fear it not being taken seriously, and/or they themselves don't take their problem seriously because "hey, at least I'm not hooked on the really bad drugs."

>>724405162

And you're obviously not a scientist. Guess what meth breaks down into that causes the high? Dextroamphetamine. Guess what Adderall is? Dextroamphetamine. It's the same fucking thing, the only difference is the amount you're getting in your brain with different amounts.

>>724405712
add stims suck for recreational use compared to stims with real recreational value, example: molly, meth, MDPV, kat, PVP, maybe cocaine but not in that class IMO.

>>724392161
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

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>>724405399
this boring transformer has been crying for the past hour about his adderall fueled gender dysphoria. boooooring. he's addicted. he's not addicted. he's a lady. he's not a lady. shut the fuck up!

>>724405806
>addy is dextroamphetamine
>meth BREAKS DOWN INTO dextroamphetamine
>they're exactly the same thing, anon! don't be retarded!

>>724405705
Does this shit really helped for opiate/speed junkies ? I know some amphetamines users who don't give a Fuck a out ritalin or adderall

>>724405771
>and/or they themselves don't take their problem seriously because "hey, at least I'm not hooked on the really bad drugs."
My stepfather & father were both pretty serious alcoholics; one far, far worse than the other.
I focused so much on not being THAT that I didn't see what I considered "lighter" things being a problem until it was glaringly obvious they were.

>>724405916
idk what you're talking about, you are boring

>>724405806
sure thats the only difference because the NDS model is the final word in nerology you fucking moron. like i said beleive what you want. anyone who has actually done both knows your simply wrong.
speed is not like fule you put in a tank, the effects of various types of speed very quite a lot. you don't simply get more high from more drugs, lol. on man what a stupid and neive way to view these drugs.
you are like a child really. read a book and think you understand what the world is like.

>>724392161
yeah adderall sucks if you get too dependent. i try to keep it to 10-20 mg when i do take it. always triggers a nice shit.

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>>724406081
>i'm not boring, you're boring.

it's replies like this that make me thankful i'm not a lady.

I've done Adderall and meth and when I was on Addy I could focus on one thing at a time. With meth I would try to focus on a hundred things at once. Meth is a more intense and euphoric high, while Adderall made me feel like I just woke up from getting eight hours of sleep.

>>724406138
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>724392635
Shut the fuck up faggot

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>>724406011
> Dexedrin is dextroamphetamine
>meth I don k ow but it
>they are definitely not the same same think

>>724406011

Sorry I don't have time to sit here and give you a high school chemistry lesson about what an active metabolite is.

>>724406252
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>724406014
hard amptheatmine users wont get shit out of adderol or ritalin, like i said they are fuckin low tier.
one guy said he uses it as a backup, that meaning he does it when he runs out of meth so he doesn't have to crash cold turkey, his normal habbit still fuckin stops cold when his meth runs out and he still crashes down to the level that addy can maintain which is pretty pathetic compared to hard drugs.
but thats a real habbit. people who don't get that into it can do meth and addy and get similar results though the dose for addy will be much higher and get you absolutely no eurphoria which any dose of meth will provide you with plenty of.

NOT EVEN FUCKIN CLOSE TO THE SAME DRUG YOU FUCKWIT

>>724406319
If they were the same substance they would have the same composition. That's how science works, Jessica. They have different names for a reason.

>>724399344
What up ?

>>724406454
are you going to be free later? perhaps we could discuss this on skype?

>>724406454
Kek

>>724406454
don't ever become a doctor, anon
>multiple patients report over and over again consistently that drug a doesn't work like drug b
>the patient hasn't studied the science therefore is not qualified to report what effects it does or doesn't have on his own body

>>724395786
Lived in Jersey my whole life and always heard about how heroin is all over the state but personally, I've never even seen it or have been offered. I know friends that have gotten their hands on it. Weed is my go to poison but every so often I'll take some acid or shrooms. Or when I have cash to burn, a couple days to myself, and the stars align, I'll grab a couple oxys or whatever my dude has at the time.

>>724406640
>if it happens to me it must happen to everyone else the exact same way.

enjoy your sickle cell while you can, nigger.

>>724393813
I took Vyvanse in HS. Shit was like a miracle drug. Adderall used to make me feel like I was in a box cuz I'd be so damn focused on whatever bullshit the teacher was spewing. Switched to Vyvanse and I was back to my old outgoing self but my old self "on steroids". Was everyone's best friend, they were mine. I could talk for hours and sometimes days about remedial shit. Like scotch tape or gardening techniques. Only downside was I just couldn't get any sleep on the shit. Ever. But God damn it's a good one.

>>724406784
>being this fucking retarded

>>724406454
wow i didn't know that shit which crossed the blood brain barrier was metabolized, fascinating. oh wait, its not. i guess you really do have a high school understanding of, you said chemistry, but what you mean is pharmacology.
you think there is a specific recoptor for amphetamine like molecules? no, stupid, amphetamine like molocules just have a more or less good chance of activating chemical receptors which result in the effects of amphetamines or uppers, the exact molecular structure of a specific amphetamine is incredible relevant in its effects for instance PVP and PHP differ by one carbon in a 5 carbon chain that doesn't even exist on most other amphetamines including meth but PHP is essentialy garbage compared to PVP.

this shit your spouting, so divoced from reality, unreal man. your a fucking moron. clueless.

>>724406831
>nigger confirmed

>>724395059
3 and a half years sober here. Can confirm this anons statement. But I'd choose this over where I was ANY day of the week.

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>>724406578
Noch am leben ? Letzte Chance

>>724406972
Even Sunday?

>>724399384
MAKE it carry the extra status for you.

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>>724406640

>mfw when I'm literally in medical school
>mfw you can't read a simple article with evidence from a double blinded study that's probably more reliable than your subjective opinion

http://theinfluence.org/neuroscientist-meth-is-virtually-identical-to-adderall-this-is-how-i-found-out/

>>724407143
see:
>>724406640

>>724407120
i don't want the status, anon. it's not important to me. i just want to "be left alone"

>>724407091
It is the first day of the week after all anon :^)

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>>724407216
Ahhhh, we're going in circles!

>>724406848

Dawg, holy shit, you obviously have no idea how amphetamine works in the brain. It doesn't directly activate any fucking receptors whatsoever. Please do some research, thanks.

>>724406972
>lack of motivation
ADD is the same shit and i am trying to get away from stimulants good luck dude

>>724392161 litterally how I act when I don't take it anyways, how I acted before taking it.

>>724407143
tfw every speed junkie in the world knows your a fucking moron for thinking addy is meth. lol. no, your right. your book knows more about the experiance of doing drugs than people who have experianced doing drugs. flawless logic my frined. i am defeated.
you fuckin dope. seriously.

>>724407275
I hear ya. Well thanks for your service mang. Did u see any combat? First Gulf War or Kosovo or anything?

>>724392161
>the profound lack of motivation that comes with adderall withdrawal
That's not a symptom of withdrawal, that's just you.

>>724407376
Like I said anon, I've got over 1k days clean under my belt. Was just confirming anons claim.

>>724407420
no real combat, anon. i got out after 9/11 but before the 2nd iraq war started

>>724407457
yes it is a symptom of withdrawl

>>724407517
I've been cleaning under my belt for a lot longer than 1k days.

>>724407398

I'm just fucking around man I'm sure they're nowhere near the same. That was fun though.

>>724406661
Lol I used to think no one in my town(south jersey) did heroin but then I started chilling with people who do heroin and realized a large portion of kids I went to high school were now junkies.

>>724407540
You missed all the good shit. That's got to eat at you.

>>724407540
Either way you served. So tip of the fedora to you my mang

>>724407574
Kek

>>724407398
I would say you are right, books could have a alot of knowledge but my rule is
>experience over knowledge

>>724407635
doesn't eat at me at all, anon. it's a fucking good riddance to my mind

>>724407644
stop calling him a mang, you stinky beaner.

>>724407835
I'm white as your ass cheeks and I do what I want

>>724406784
Funny story, my uncle was in the marines back in the 70s and he was gonna get drug tested so he got clean piss from a fellow marine, and the tests came back that he had sickle cell.
He was white...

>>724407773
bullshit. don't tell me you went in to train and endure bullshit and beat you meat for ??? years just to get out before the dirtnig wars kicked off and you're not bitter about not seeing combat.

>>724407916
Kek. Did he get discharged for that shit?

>>724400921
this.

>>724407552
It's a symptom of you being a lazy fuck, which is why you started taking the shit in the first place. Nothing changed.

>>724408005
read the bread from the beginning anon. i fucking hated it. i was glad to be out

>>724407916
Or was he? You should check out 23&Me. Seriously.

>>724407614
i was hoping so. pretty common knowledge that meth is a hard drug and add meds are not. even though they are both ampheatmines and share pharmacology their structure is insanely important, sometimes more dissimilar molecules, structurally or in polor orientation, have more similar effects than those with only a single structural change. meth and PVP is a perfect example. lots of amphetamines closer to meth in every way than cathinones but nothings closer to meth than PVP or MDPV as far as i know and i have done a depressingly large veriety of drugs.

>>724407916
Back in the days people dida lot amphetamines to stay awake

>>724408090
i did. i've been knee deep in the shit since 18:38. everyone hates garrison bullshit. deployment is entirely different.

>>724408042
whatever. your labeling my reason as lazy doesn't really matter. even if it is because i am lazy it is still something i am compelled to do. i understand that is it not idea, not normal, not healthy, and i still find it valuable to keep in my life for my own reasons. dont care if you approve of those reasons. i do. but i gotta say a real speed habbit really becomes a huge chore. thats why most people don't to it into old age.

>>724408007
I did the "cleanurin" shit a few days ago and they didn't find it out ....

>>724408405
You can't hide your sickle cells forever!

>>724408143

I believe meth and Adderall differ by a single methyl group.

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>>724408502
It worked a few days ago

>>724406661
you have to go to the hood to find it
Newark, Paterson, East Orange, Irvington, Camden (if you're down south)
Basically wherever minorities live, you can find heroin easily just by driving down certain streets. If you're white, they will see you and flag you down.

>>724408320
Not the same guy but both are shit, its not for everyone man. I couldn't stand it

>>724408801
what did you do?

>>724407617
i live in North Jersey (Essex County) I can buy heroin by taking a 5 minute drive in literally any direction out of my nice suburban town.
But I have found it is somehow a bigger epidemic in South Jersey. Every time I've been to rehab I meet tons of people from down south and hardly ever anyone who lives near me.

what do ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1T2xLNFyrA

>>724408405
this was like 40 years ago, so I'm not sure if that was even a thing back then

>>724408552
right. you would expect them to be more similar based on structure but its really not that simple. the correlation of effect and structure does not hold up at all under scrutiny.
there are certain structures which typically result in certain properties which are consistent between sub classes of amphetamine molecules but consistency is the exception not the rule.

each class of amphetamine has winners and mostly loosers, most of which i suspect have yet to be synthesized for widespread use in humans.

>>724408899
11b

>>724408158
He just smoked weed actually. But now he's a massive alcoholic, so that's nice

>>724409124
Haha yeahtoday we have screen weeny and its pretty great

why do people who take adderall or vyvanse not use xanax to put them to sleep??

>>724409195
haha. eh luck has a lot to do with it. i was eod. i hated the army, but i liked my job and deployment was fun.

>>724408007
nah they threw his ass in the brig, or whatever they have in the marines.
My mom told me he spent more time in there than on active duty while he was enlisted.
He loves to brag about how he was a marine and the rest of his siblings laugh at him behind his back because they know the truth.
He's a good guy though and told me many great stories about banging prostitutes in whatever south Asian shithole he was stationed in.

>>724409361
Why would anyone want to get addicted to Xanax and rely on it to go sleepy night nights?

>>724409361
A lot people doin this but you will get addicted to xanax and then to amphetamines

>>724409319
yeah my friend bought one recently and it looks super realistic

>>724393591
>can readily quit
>cant function with out it

>>724409361
benzos rock for stopping speed or acid trips but most people don't know about them or are reluctant to take them. not without reason. the last drug i would every want to seriously abuse would be a benzo, can be worse than opiates or meth. can kill you.

>>724409410
The brig or Leavenworth? Cuz if he was in Leavenworth, he's got more of a right to boast than about 95% of all current and former military personnel. Kek

>>724409410
The Marines call it their prison the "booty house".

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>>724409361
A lot people doin this but you will get addicted to xanax and then to amphetamines so it's not worth it

>>724409513
why would anyone want to get addicted to amphetamines and rely on them to function throughout the day?

>>724409397
Shit sucks man, when it's not enforcing pc culture in garrison it's the higher ups getting kids killed on boring ass deployments

>>724409739
I thought that too, then I started taking Adderall. Haven't looked back since.

>>724409739
I wouldn't care as long as Imy living my life

>>724409823
yeah i know man, that's why i got out. obongo and friends ruined everything.

>>724398550
Try taking it since kindergarten
I can't take methylphenidate because my brain is immune to safe amounts
I was on 80mg Vyvanse Adderall a day (over FDA limit)
Now they have me at 70mg
I'm 2 years out of college and smoke weed like a chimney now to try and function without them

>>724409619
kek
I would've remembered if he told me they threw him in "the booty house"

>>724409610
I honestly have no idea. He wasnt a big bad ass, so it was probably just the brig

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>>724400376
>it's just a culture shock and a mind fuck
That's called getting out of your bubble and being forced to work with others in a team environment instead of being coddled and treated like you're special. Military's not that difficult, in all honesty, and this is coming from a grunt who scored damn-near perfect on my ASVAB but I didn't use the military as a way to run away from something. I knew what I wanted and where/how I wanted to serve. What exactly was a "total mindfuck" for you? That you had to wake up early? That you had to exercise? That you had to shower about 5 feet away from someone else? Just sounds like excuses but if you've got a logical train of thought I'd love to hear it. Did just shy of 10 years myself and the way you talk reminds me of the kids we had tag along who, once we hit the ground in an actual combat zone, lost their shit and went all "oh fuck, I didn't sign up to do this!" when that's precisely what you should've been prepared for in the first place. Just my two cents.

>>724410011
CONCERTA 54MG WOOOOOIOOOOOOOOOOO

>>724410156
And 80mg adderall shit I couldn't take 10kg

>>724410312
10mg

>>724410312
Wut? And Adderall XR or IR?

>>724410156
had that script since i was 9. 54mg is the max dose they will prescribe. causes involuntary motor ticks in many people which is why they don't prescribe higher doses than that. some doctors might i guess but i have never heard of a higher long term daily dose.
really, 54mg of methylphenidate is a lot. thats twice the amount you need to really get high in one go.
taken daily since i was 9. lol , fuck.

Rip
https://youtu.be/fUwPu2ylSeg

>>724401631
Ritalin is still an amphetamine related salt nigger

>>724410439
no it is not. it is of the phenethylamine class of molecules. they are not the same. cocaine is another example of an upper that is not an amphetamine.

>>724410091
i hated that everyone assumed i was stupid and irresponsible and was going to do the wrong thing. the number of assholes who would power trip and actively look for any excuse to scream at someone for pedantic bullshit. i hated that so many people i had to work with were miserable assholes. i remember a "sensing session" we all went to where a general and sergeant major were asking us questions and pretending to be interested in our problems. the things they said! motherfuckers. they dismissed everything. finance isn't paying you properly? oh well you didn't join for the money, did you? your pants are ripping at the crotch? oh, well that's because you aren't wearing the correct size pants. yeah, your crotch is ripping because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SIZE PANTS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE WEARING. goddammit. i

>>724410369
XR

>>724403460
Can't do anti depressants
Tried it when it first dropped in 2nd grade and I was a train wreck

>>724410420
Yup I know all about that Concerta life fampai. A buddy of mine took them and he's a complete fucking mess now as an adult

>>724410439
Ritalin is an methylphenidate

>>724410091
You leave your family, get brainwashed with pc bullshit, realize that the people in charge of you are probably literally retarded, watch kids younger than you die because of the same guys incompetence. I don't know where you went or what you did but if you don't realize this you're probably the e5 who wanted to be a lifer but got the boot for not getting rank quick enough. I can only imagine how much of a mess it is now with the women grunts

>>724411136
ritalin is methylphenidate.
but there are several others its it's class that are pretty much identical in effect, e.g. ethylphenidate is exactly the same and isopropylphenidate is slightly more potent but not as well tested by humans, not that it would be suspect to be worse than methylphenidate but who knows really, even ritalin is not well understood long term effects of the drug as prescribed for add, yet.

>>724411412
There aren't women infantry.

>>724411530
I wish you were correct

>>724411731
not in my America.

>>724411480
Because pharma won't let long term studies be done
It's highly damaging over time and not intended for long term treatment

>>724411840
This. The jews are poisoning us all.

>>724411480
Yeah, Im doing ritalin since I was 7 it Fucked me up every day ...... I have ADD but Fuck it stimulatants are nothing for me

>>724411840
This

>>724411480
isopropylphenidate hasn't really been available but for maybe 2 years now, entire classes of amphetamine were unknown a decade ago, we have just begun to try out the different uppers that might exist. the uppers available now are simply the ones we have found in nature somehow, real synthesized drugs are just now being made in a systematic way. i expect what we consider hard drugs today will not be thought of as so hard in say 50 years. already there are chems harder than meth which didn't exist 15 years ago in anything close to the public.

>>724410156
Literally didn't do anything for me
Went from LA 60s (after 10 years of daily use) to 54s before we figured my brain is too tolerant

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>>724410801
>I hated that everyone assumed I was stupid and irresponsible and was going to do the wrong thing

I'm going to assume you were never an NCO because I can tell you that the overwhelming number of kids under my command would regularly do the wrong thing and were irresponsible and it's our job to correct that and hold them accountable as "future NCOs" themselves. You can't give orders until you learn to take them and have your own shit in order. It's literally life and death.

>i hated that so many people i had to work with were miserable assholes

Can't really speak on that, I still keep in contact with most of the guys I served with. Everyone has a combination of faults and strengths, no one's perfect. Seems like you're just focusing on the imperfections of someone else when you yourself are also imperfect.

>your pants are ripping at the crotch?
You claim to have spent a decade in but you think a segeant major has time to worry about your ripped crotch? The motherfucker's running logistics for an entire batallion and your pants aren't on the top of his list. The fact that you don't know this is a problem for your supply sergeant to solve makes me wonder if you're full of shit, honestly.

I mean wearing the wrong size trousers will cause the crotch to rip, they're not wrong by telling you that and assuming you were too stupid to not know that. I saw dozens upon dozens of 18-20 year old kids who didn't know how to wear their uniform properly half the time and a general or sergeant major doesn't have time to worry about your scraped knee or some shit. It's astounding to me that people will make any sort of excuse to refrain from being personally accountable.

>>724410091
>my experience was different from yours therefore your opinion is utter bullshit
haven't we seen this concept repeated several times ITT already, but coming from medical fags?

>>724392161
>>724392161
i want either ER or vyvanse... hook me up bitch

>>724412032
It's like heroin (bayer) but only with amphetamines

>>724412160
>>724412049
Fuck u too bitch call the cops, ima kill u and them loud ass Muthafuckin barkin dogz

>>724412160
haha. youuu.

>>724393813
>>724394576
>>724394736
youre a waste of life, Give Me all of your Pills now or after you realize this.