Daily reminder that gender dysphoria is a mental illness as much

>>724319513
Otherkin are just as accepted as transgender people.

Don't be upset that some of us have found ourselves and don't follow your biased Judeo-Christian guidelines for acceptable lifestyles.

>>724319624
Nothing christian about it. It's science.
"Science with all its facts and evidence is wrong because muh feelings" is all transfaggots have.

>>724319711
Gender identity =/= biological sex

>>724319513
its as much a mental illness as believing in god is

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>>724319513
>autism is mental disorder
>depression is mental disorder
>schizophrenia is mental disorder
>bipolar is mental issue
>transgender and gay isnt

Can someone explain this bullshit?

>>724319782
No, one's a delusion the other's reality.

>>724319912
It was, until 1987 when DSM-III-R came out.

>>724320097
> It = Homosexuality

>>724319783
So fags, traps, pedos and christfags are all one in the same?

>>724319624
You proved to be a religious fanatic for bringing religion when no one actually wrote anything about it in this thread.. If otherkin are accepted by LGBT community it doesn't mean that are scientifically mentally ill.

>>724319912
Being transgender ist still a mental illness according to OMS.

>>724320183
> thinks psychology is a science

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>>724319711
>It's science.
Dude... Read more scientific books regarding Neuroplasticity, and I'm not even trolling you.

Gender is a mental construction resulting from your education and your environment, which is always stereotyped. Thanks to the ability of your brain to evolve and change your mental representation of yourself, one is able to dissociate his gender from his sex.

We agree that is you are born with XY, you'll be considered as sex = male and by default, gender = male.

Although you'll keep your sex your whole life, since any new cell your body produces will be XY, your gender can evolve.

Saying it is a mental illness is like saying that if I start playing piano because I want to, and through efforts and pain I finally become good at it is
>a mental illness as much as identifying in a 5 years old cat is.

There is NO individual reality perception being distorded, its the contrary. They perceive way more what society imposed them to be based on their sex.

IDK if Dr Catherine VIDAL (French Neurodoctor) translated her books in English, but give it a try.

Keep trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin'
Now I know ya'll be lovin this shit right here
O.P. Bizkit is right here

>>724319783
1) No. Actually no. And you can't even prove that. You proved to be a religious fanatic for bringing religion when no one actually wrote anything about it in this thread.
2) You can't defend something for not being a mental illness citing another thing which is a mental illness in your hopinion. Logic and debates do not work like this.

Try harder.

>>724319513
>Transgender is a person that is terrified of being gay.

>>724319513
Dude, no kid that young can be confirmed to be transgender. What the actual fuck is wrong with these people.

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>>724320240
OMS is driven by religious and skilled persons. Yet religious. And we agree that religion is more a mental illness than wanting to evolve on how you are treated by society based on your sex (and gender automatically linked).

Seriously, how can anyone be so stunned of transgender and yet don't realize that people killing in the name of "insert god" is retarded ? Or that they need "insert god" in order to be kind to each other ?

OMS will take decade to evolve, try to remember what OMS thought about tobacco for a long time, and also about "red meat" transformed by food industry.

Bringing OMS is like referring to a retarded referee...

>>724319513

fuck this garbage

>>724320288
Neuroplasticity is just a random scientific notion that you cited for appearing smart or a scientific expert when you are vague and you can't even make a logical point in all discussion.

World Health Organization consider gender dysphoria a mental illness. Get over it.

Also, no, you actually comparing chosing to play a piano with being trans, assuming that being trans is a choice if that was true. But it isn't, you can't compare a feature strongly genetically determined as being male or female with chosing to play a piano.

Trans' reality perception is distorted because according to the unique reality and the study of science, which is actually the study of reality, someone can be born female or male, human or cat. If he "feels" to be something else is because his reality perception is distorted and needs to be cured and treated as a mental ill.

Try harder.

>>724319513
No shit. Keep spreading your message OP. You're doing the Lord's work. God bless you.

>>724320560
Better something that you consider a "retarded referee" when is one of the best-known and influential organization about Health all over the world than absolutely non existing references or logical arguments like yours.

>>724319513
The fuck is wrong with you liberal leftist assholes?

>>724320151
yes
>>724320333
pretty impressive trips for an idiot

>>724320784
wtf...OP's thread is not at all a liberal leftist one.

>>724320333
>Trips
The truth has been spoken.

>OP is afraid of a little girl

ahahahahaha OP you must have had some really fucked up life and childhood to be like this

>>724321165
*a little boy whose mental illness is promoted and supported by their liberal cucked parents due to emotional, illogical and no scientific positions instead of being treated professionally as it should be in a civilized country.

>>724321165
Not a little girl, a little boy.
and the fear is in the fucked up ideology that everyone seem to accept as normal.

>>724319513
>waaaa I dun understand its scary make it go awaaaaaa

>>724321433
>>724321475
>hurrr durr ppl do stuff I don't like dey must be mentally ill xDDD

lmao, the irony is that delusional and hateful people like you are viewed mentally ill by normal people. I bet you are a neo-nazi sympathizer too

>>724319513
Transtards honestly think if they believe something in their mind enough, then it's automatically true; objective reality be damned.

>Well sure I have a dick, XY chromosomes and a body full of testosterone... but all of that is irrelevant, I'm actually female purely because I THINK I am in my mind.

>>724321584
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
people are dying and the supposed friends of them just close their eyes.

>>724321791
you just described every single religious person ever
>my magical sky fairy is real bcz I believe it!

which is ironic because its mostly these religious tards that get salty from trannies

>>724321584
Proof that you cant reason with the mentally ill.
Euthanasia is the only option.

>>724321865
yes you moron, they suicide because some mentally ill tards like yourself keep bullying them and deny their existence

>>724319513
In my company an employee came out as transgender....I knew employee for years prior, never said anything till 'coming out'

Watched friend go through a year of "living as a woman", then depart and return post-surgery.

Friend was as productive as before, and much much happier, and totally harmless and beneficial to society.

So WTF people, get over it.

Brain gender not matching body sex happens, and its correctable.... Even better when someone starts early or before puberty.

>>724321926
wow, a lot of assumption about myself, little facts.
how about gay people then, they get a simular treatment. but thair suiciderate is normal

>>724321982
dude you sound so ignorant
I bet you haven't even read Mein Kampf, I mean come on, its 2017

>>724322056
gays are easier to hide and blend with others without others knowing they are gay you tard, seriously are you 12 or just really dumb?

>>724322147
>gays are easier to hide and blend with others without others knowing they are gay you tard
man i hope youre baiting

>>724322247
>can't think of an argument to reply
>hurr u bait xD

thanks for letting me know you run out of dumb shit to say

>>724322247
It's a butthurt trap's attempt to troll

>>724322321
aww babbys first samefagging

>>724322293
mmmhh ok,ill bite. so beeing gay is easier?
>>724322321
but why? i havent said anything against trannys really, i dont have a problem with them, aslong as they wait for adulthood to change

>>724322600
are you saying being gay is harder than transitioning trannies?

>>724321982
>(((correctable)))

>>724319711
You know the whole "muh" thing makes you look like a fucking fool?

>>724319513
Daily reminder that you're trying very hard, Canute.

>>724322056
The suicide rate for gay teens is very high.

Because of people like you.

You fucking idiot.

>>724322247
man i hope you're not breeding

>>724322672
im saying the difference lies in where and how you live and how you look ofcause, are you just gay, or leathercled, same goes for the transgender person, do you look like a freak or did the operation go well.
you cant just say beeing trans or gay is harder then the other, but you can say that trans people kill themselves a lot

>>724322506
Aww, condescending in an attempt to sound authoritative but ending up like a toddler screaming for his chocolate

>>724322905
>criticizes my style of condescension
>he replies with the exact same style of condescension

wow u are very smart boi

Why cant you trap retards just be gay?

>>724322829
>teens
read the report the suicide rate with trans people is high in general, and again with the baseless accusations?

>>724322999
why can't just straight white males kill themselves, then everyone else will be free from oppression?

>>724322679
The whole brackets thing really is the mark of a moron. It shows you go through life closing off areas of though because they're too difficult for you to understand, and so you hide behind your prejudices and fears, scared to death of any attempt to learn new information.

>>724322991
It wasn't like I was mocking you or anything.

>>724323130
>I was merely pretending to be retarded guys! xD
sure you were hun

>>724323040
yeah the tutsi would rejoice im sure, finally they can get slaughtered without those pesky white folk filming it all

>>724323040
>straight white male
I'm a gay black dog you bigoted racist.

Allowing a prepubescent child to identify as something other than what their given sex organs perceive is wrong and will only set them up for an entire life of depression and serious mental issues. These children can't even figure out if they want McDonalds or Pizza Hut for Christ's sake and will throw a fit if they don't get what they want.

Somewhere between my generation and my parents generation, something went wrong. It's all the result of Liberal extremist bullshit and a generation or parents that are afraid to raise their voice or lay a hand on a child that is acting out, trophies for everyone, and report cards without actual grades- just "pass" or "fail". If there are no consequences to making bad decisions, then this is the result. Good job, America.

>>724323169
It never really worked out for you, did it?

>>724323244
these kid trannies are very rate, its just some tards keep reposting the same photos over and over again and somehow made you tards think that everyone is becoming a tranny

>>724323297
>>724323169

just shut up you fags, nobody cares

>>724323297
haha burn!! xD upvoated friendo =D

This is actually the "gay chemical" being used and working on the u.s.

>>724323422
DUDE THE FROGS ARE BECOMING GAY!!!!!!!

>>724319513
Learn better english, ruskie shill.
Mostly true statement, but cut the shit and fuck off.

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>>724319513
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/college-of-pediatricians-calls-transgender-ideology-child-abuse/

Child abuse and his parents should be in jail

>>724323591
>breitbart
into the trash of fake news

>>724317645
post something here

>>724323659
i agree, but how about my very respectable source
from earlier >>724321865, why not wait untill the child is able to make an educated decision?

>>724323772
and who are you to tell him what to do? go lick some shit covered shoes you fucking statist

>>724323851
so do you think children should be having sex with adults if they want to?

>>724319513
holy fuck is she hot

>>724323851
this radical manner of comunicating is weirding me out why so butthurt? also im simply hoping that as little children as possible are forced into a medical treatment they dont fully understand

>>724324032
>are forced
any proof for that? any source?

>>724324109
use a different word then, what does it matter if the child doent fully understand what is happening?

>>724322897
>you cant just say beeing trans or gay is harder then the other
Why no? as trans, you feel like your body don't match you, and you can't do nothing but start a long treatment and surgical procedures. How is that easier than just being gay?

>>724324209
and what is happening that the child can't understand?

>>724320288
You're just a sad faggot and should an hero. The less faggots like you the better.

>>724324257
because a trans guy in germany berlin will get his treatment payed for, will face some harassment but a lot of love aswell, a gay guy in saudi arabia will never be free, he/she will eighter stay in the claused their whole life or risk death by living honestly

>>724320548
Everything.

>>724324417
This is why they used to burn them.

>>724324416
A trans guy in saudi arabia will be hanged immediately, i can't see your point

>>724324416
>all tranies live in germany and all gays live in saudi arabia
wew lad

>>724324323
are you real, the decision to never have children? the adversity they will face? the nature of sex itself? not sure if you ever talked to a child but they dont get a lot of things, btw so do parents. its a general fear of mine that below --80 iq parents will see their boy play with dolls and then decide that hes trans

>>724321584
>faggots
>normal
Faggotry is how we become extinct.

>>724324510
yes because its not beeing gay or trans but rather where you live

>>724324660
>to never have children
how? they can still have children

>the adversity they will face
from people like you?

>the nature of sex
changing gender is not just about sexuality

>>724324742
Please an hero. And get the fuck off /b

>>724324742
>from people like you?
doent change my point
>the nature of sex
but it IS about sex
>how? they can still have children
a former woman? not narutally

love how you ignored my last point

>>724319513
fuck off nosey bitch. let these mans do their thing. how about you worry about showering and not being such a strain on the economy

>>724324859
>it is about sex
if thats what you really think then you have a lot to learn buddy

also

>anon you shouldn't do something you want because other ppl will be mean to you!
thats some beta cuck mentality you got there

>>724324652
do you not know how examples work?

>>724323036
>suicide rate with trans is high
Let the rest of the degenerate alphabet soup join them. Happier world.

>>724324939
your example made no sense whatsoever so there is that

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>>724319513
I agree, they're both mental illnesses and homosexuality is a fetish

>>724324684
Good point. Faggots and transexuals with an inability to reproduce are leading to the extinction of humans.

>>724324731
But this does not make any sense, if you assume all gays live in a nazi concentration camp and all trans in Sweden of course is worse to be gay.
But generaly, in the same conditions, trans people just live harder and are much more prone to end their life because of being rejected by society, while gays blende perfectly

>>724319513
I don't understand what you mean by "treated professionally". Do you think these people are getting gender transition therapy in a dark alley from a drug dealer?

Face it - professional treatment IS transgender treatment. You just don't want to accept it because you are a bigot. That is totally fine, plenty of people are.

But don't fucking pretend to hide behind science, when science is what is treating these people.

>>724325194

So...if i feel like a cat and want to be a cat, should there be surgery and genetic therapy to turn me into a cat.

>>724325038
>gays are 2% of the population
>they are making us extinct

unless somehow everyone becomes gay I don't see how that could happen. but I guess if you really like slippery slopes it can happen in your delusional mind

>>724324966
i stated that the level of diffierence between how much hardship gays and trannys face in their life is based on a lot of factors and that one is not always harder then the other, i gave an example of twi places on eath that are vastly different in the way they treat trans and gay people, to illustrate how beeing one thing is not necessarily harder then the other. if you cant extraputate, well thats sad

+ my example making no sence doent change the fact that you didnt understand it beeing a example and that is much more sad

>>724324928
we were taling about making kids do things they dont understand, you have jet to deliver any argument for changing a childs gender, instead you keep deflecting, ignoring arguments you cant wish away and patronising me

>>724325311
if enough people want to be cats and there is demand for it then there will be a supply for it

its not a hard concept to understand

>>724325376
your example failed because you compared two different countries with two different situations, when you make examples you keep at least 1 variable constant in both examples so you can make a conclusion. Thats logic 101 buddy, your example was useless

>>724325320
>>gays are 2% of the population

yeah, they're a lot more now, since the whole "gay is cool" thing started being hammered into kids minds.

>>724325387

>Ayn Rand fanboy detected.

>>724325311
Why is your answer to medical science just hyperbole? I know your position doesn't have anything to do with science, but can't you actually try to defend your bullshit with an actual point?

Should your bigotry stop someone else from getting scientifically recognized treatment?

And for that matter - go ahead and turn yourself into a fucking cat. Do I understand it? No. But it doesn't hurt me and so I don't give a shit. That is how adjusted adults think.

>>724325469
>hurr muh kid watched tv n now he is gay

have you tried putting your kid some kind of hat made from metals to deflect the gay jew rays?

>>724325093
>But generaly, in the same conditions,
how is that the case? in south east asia, trans people have it easier then gays
>while gays blende perfectly
only normal gays though, lifestyl fags have it ashard as ugly trannys and good looking trans people have it easy too-
look i get what youre saying and yes if you put gay and trans on a scale, gays have it better in a very broad general way, but how does that matter to the individual?

>>724319513
While I understand your fear, and disagree with much of modern day gender theory, you are a good guy OP, a real good guy, and so you have nothing to fear or worry about, because now transgender agenda is going to be able to corrupt you, if it could corrupt you, then it already would have, but it hasn't, so you got nothing to fear, you will remain a moral man OP.

>>724325544
Ok how bout no amount of wishing or whining will change that if I draw your blood and test it, it will say xx or xy. Period no maid up bullshit. Your either one or the other.

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>>724325690
You said you disagree with much of modern day gender theory, what part do you agree with?

>>724325466
well you could just put in gay for all the fags and it would work fine, but hey then youd have to have a dialoge instead of deflecting or ridicule and who wants that when taling about changing childrens sex kek

>>724325794
*gay for all the trans

>>724325569

You doubt the power of marketing?

i hate how this a politicum, its about children, there should be no discussion only medical research

>americans

What is with these degenerate cuckfucks and their signs. Glad I don't live there.

>>724325578
The thing is that "liberals" want to avoid the whole suicide problem normalizing the transiction as a solution for the dysphoria problem (no other way) while people can't stop harassing trans people aggravating the problem of suicide and making people say
>OMG!!11! 41% sucide rate, mental illnes am i right xdxd

>>724325754
Yeah, you have me there. What was your point, exactly? The treatment isn't based on chromosomal makeup, but the mental and emotional need for change.

You called it a mental illness in the OP - so why would a chromosomal makeup prohibit the treatment for that mental illness?

To call variations in the human brain a mental illness is ridiculous.

That said, transition-promoting feminists and doctors need to stay the fuck away from anyone under 18.

>>724326129
well american "liberals" are fucking scary, also i wish your partys would just be honest conservative/liberal(but fuck gays) vs progressive/socialist(but only progressive if we like what youre saying)

>>724326316
Is schizophrenia not a variation in the brain?

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>>724319513
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/us/new-orleans-transgender-homicides/index.html

Even New Orleans is sick of their shit, and that's saying something. Score 2 for the home team.

>>724326401
It is indeed, and it's not an illness.

>>724326165
Because it's miss diagnosed due to our pc culture. Instead of helping people we play into thier delusion and give them puberty blockers hormones and sex reassignment because no one wants to be un pc and say they have gender dysphoria. It's just special snow flake syndrome run amok.

>>724326316
But that's alimony literally what mental illness is. Do you even psychology?

>>724326430
Bait

>>724326500
I disagree with calling it a mental illness in the first place.

>>724325777
That the female and male concepts are old archetypes from world history that set up a traditional hierarchy between man and woman. The ancient greeks who invented Democracy didn't believe that a woman should be involved in politics because her ability to charm and invoke men's admiration was too dangerous, and also if a woman cheated on her husband could get stoned to death, and due to scarce resources, if they couldn't raise all their children, but wanted a male heir, it was a practice like what the tribes in America did to leave a female baby out in the wilderness to die.

The Greeks practiced homosexuality as a way to be defiant against women. Philosophers said that there are more spiritual types of love and more physical, lustful ones. The physical, lustful kinds of love are of woman, whereas the life of the intellectual upbringing, fitness upbringing, and everything, of the child was left to an elder man, who was meant to start a pure love with the boy which was a love of the boy's superiority in intellect over the girls who were taught to obey a male society and married at ages around 14.

It's called, "Uranian love", it is written of in Ancient Greek texts like when Zues turns into an animal to take away Ganymede, because he wants the pure beauty of a young oiled freshly pubescent man to match his older tastes. But it was socially acceptable, and even promoted by Plato, to love a younger man with an older man who also mentored him in how to wrestle and do modern day cultural things like philosophy and geometry. The type of love often involved pederasty, although it was a type of pederasty that wasn't done out of gender equality, but out of a desire to show the male gender as superior culturally to the female gender.

>>724321866
"Little" difference.

God cannot be investigated by Science by its definition. Can only be investigated by metaphysics, a branch of philosophy.

Gender not only can be investigated by science, but also has been proved to be strongly genetically determined almost since the study of biology started.

Science: Study of the objective reality in which a 40 years old man cannot be a 5 years old female cat even if he's identifying in it.
Metaphysics/Philosophy: Study of the fundamental nature of reality

>>724324460
I don't know why the fuck they stopped.

>>724326438
You think medical science, including the physical and the mental/neurological, is completely driven by PC culture and is only providing these treatments because of special snowflake syndrome?

How set in your fear/hatred/disdain for those different than you do you have to be in order to draw conclusions like that?

YOU believe this is a miss diagnosis, and somehow you know more than the collective accepted position of general medical science?

Fuck right off kiddo

>>724326623
That doesn't change that it is one

>>724326681
you do mate, idk just dont get children involved

>>724326623
You're debating semantics as if changes that which it describes. Popular thing to do amongst americlap progressives I noticed. We can also call diabetes not a disease but your foot will still fall off.

>>724326696
>metaphysics
spotted the retard
I bet you believe in spirits and ghosts too

>>724326681
Plato and Socrates were against homosexuality. Check "The Laws" for example.

>>724326681
Homosexuality and even the third gender are vastly different then these Trans faggotry wannabes. The former are real conditions who's history can be seen over generations and cultures. The latter are whiny snowflakes so butt hurt they think they need special laws to protect them.

>>724326752
By definition, yes. But I think the definition is stupid. Before the term existed, different people were just different, not ill.

>>724326868
Calling someone a retard isn't an argument. Try harder not shittier.

>>724326917
dude you believe in spirits and fairies, I don't even have to make an argument to call you retarded

>>724325320
Faggot detected. Get off my board with your faggotry. Hotosexuality is a disease and should be treated as such. Use the hormones you use to make fags, fags to make boys, manlier and girls, prettier. Just like life intended it.

>>724326731
You believe pc culture doesn't affect those elected and appointed to positions so they have to back popular opinion regardless of science? Fuck right off ignorant kiddo.

>>724326681
Today, Uranian love or pederasty is publicly frowned upon by the LGBTQ community, but what Milo the greek guy whose English was basically getting at with his idea of man-boy love, was Ancient Greek pederasty, because in its style, it was also implemented by the likes of many English authors in the late 19th century, before 'homosexual' was a word, and when it was treated as a mental illness known as "inversion"

By asking what part of gender theory I agree with, it's hard to say because there's lots of theories out there, and some of them contradict each others

I agree that masculine and feminine are cultural ideals, not natural evolutionary traits. You see in nature that the Hyena female is dominant over the male, and that the amount of testosterone she produces, causes he clitoris to become larger than a male hyena's penis. Males have nipples, that serve no purpose but breast feeding, which we cannot do, so natural selection is often not really based on essential design, but more of a recycling and using of old forms that were once swapped between male and female bodies in different genetic phyla of past species

>>724327013
>on /b/
>calls faggots to go out of his board

I appreciate your ironic approach to humour m8

>>724326906
>efore the term existed, different people were just different,
try possessed

>>724326906
So you think he definition us should therefore you disregard. But I'm wrong right? You'r not just blind to your point?

>>724326944
I just defined the difference between science and metaphysics/philosophy and their investigation field and explained why believing in God =/= believing that a mental condition can change your gender, something strongly defined by science and genetics.

You can't even read and provide a single valid point, you just do ad hominem attacks and have the bravery of calling retarded someone else.

kek

>>724327025
Oh I didn't realize science was elected and appointed. That is so weird.

This whole time you can't provide even a hint of scientific reinforcement to your shit point of view. You keep arguing social issues and trying to limit what someone else can do that has no effect on you whatsoever.

I have news for you - there is a snowflake in this situation, and he is closer than you think.

>>724327177
"metaphysics" is not a thing you moron, its a pseudoscience so sky fairy worshipers like you can pretend their opinions aren't completely horseshit

>>724327127
wut

>>724327082
I guess it depends on the illness. But you get my point.

>>724320784
LMFAO
I don't think this guy knows what a liberal is...

>>724326681
Well I believe men and women should have different roles according to intellect and strength. Naturally women take upon the more motherly roles and chores around the house while the men do more manual work. However I believe where possible the man and woman should help each other out with their tasks.

>>724319513
It's actually true that gender dysphoria is a mental illness.

There's absolutely no difference between claiming to be a female when being a male according to science and genetics and reality and claiming to be a cat when being a human, or claiming that 2+2=5 when 2+2=4.

Absolutely no difference. They are just mental conditions in which the individual's view on reality is distorted and objectively FALSE.

If you think otherwise, explain yourself logically or gtfo.

Pro tip: screechings like "TRANSPHOBIICC!11! YOU HATEEE!1! YOU RELIGIOUS!11!GET OVER IT!11!1" are not a valid argument in a debate.

>>724326681

That's a lot of spin right there, first in the ancient world homosexuality or pederasty was not accepted by "normal" society (plato/socrates would be classified as elite urban liberals by today's standards and not representative of the average social mores), read Satiricon and see what happened to the tutor when he was caught molesting the kid, he was basically run out of town by the father of the kid.
Also read Aristophanes The Clouds and see what the characters in the play call "broad arses" aka homosexuals.

Pseudo intellectuals like pass this idea, that just because a few elite intellectuals wrote about their personal tastes and views, that those were the reflection of the local society at large. Yes pederasty occurred, but it was always more of sexual release thing (since there was no contraception and girls were closely guarded until marriage) than an actual ethos.

>>724326880
Thanks, I will check it out, I would be very interested and slightly suprised to hear Plato talk about anti-homosexual views, but the homosexuality of ancient Greece was patriarchal, (for example men only allowed at the olympics had to be naked, homosexual admiration for their fitness was part of Greek society through and through), I know that Plato's Republic wants woman to be a part of the republic

>>724327256
Metaphysics is a branch of philosophy, cannot be considered a pseudoscience because its field of investigation is not the same as science's field of investigation by definition. Take a dictionary and study more before screeching.

>>724327256
>"metaphysics" is not a thing you moron

kek

>it's pseudoscience

a division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being and that includes ontology, cosmology, and often epistemology

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphysics

top kek

>>724327546
This guy is right

>>724327642
>>724327701

implying that philosophy is not pseudoscience, like all the other "soft" scientific disciplines, seriously even physics is infested by ideologs and proud old men, who dont want to let go of their bs, i dont even know whats happening in philosophy or psychology

>>724326904
The third gender is no longer an accepted theory, it was presupposed that some masculine or feminine essence existed in the child before they had developed in the womb, that would predestine their sexuality in the future. However masculine or feminine could not be proven to scientifically be quantifiable objective things that you could test as traits in people, and more seemed prone to cultural fluctuations in phenomena, that's why I disagree with gender theory, the concept of gender in the first place is unscientific even though sexual difference does still exist, I could really say that a woman's sex drive is masculine, because of its potency and virility, but trying to interpret the hormones and opiods systems in a person's reproductive cycle is hard

For example babies when the suck their mother's tits cause oxytocin to be released in their mother's brain, oxytocin is the same chemical released by sex with an adult, so should we call breast feeding a form of sexual recreation for women? One woman called a helpline once for getting vagina contractions while breast feeding, and they sent her to be interrogated for childhood sexual abuse, because culture doesn't understand or care about the true nature of women's reproductive systems

>>724327701
>the word exists in a dictionary therefore its a legit field

wow you really are retarded
not that I expected anything more from a sky fairy worshiper

>>724319912
simple. It's a disorder. But being trans or gay isn't a bad disorder. It really doesn't hurt anyone. Depression and autism make your life very hard and schizophrenia can have all kinds of bad consequences. Not every unordinary condition is bad.

>>724327526
There is such a chasm, between the intellect of some women that I know, that I can't compare the general intelligences of man or woman as a whole.

Genetics are pre-programmed to interact environmentally, and so growing up with the type of education and peers you have will influence behaviour of your genetics, so your genetics are environmentally influenced, and neurological connections aren't controlled by genes, they are kind of direct perceptions of your environment that change how genes get activated. That's why scientists said 90% of your genes were 'junk DNA', because it's not entirely the genes which pre-program your behaviour, and the majority of information stored on a person's behaviour is taken from out of a past memory of what caused them pleasure and what caused them displeasure in their behaviour

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>>724325569
Why not...average white folk have listened to rap and became actual niggers as a result.

>>724328454
not really, they were dumb white trash to begin with and rap fit them well

>>724327625
>homosexual admiration for their fitness

Aesthetic appreciation and homosexuality are two completely different things.

>>724328008
Philosophy is not pseudoscience and you can't prove otherwise. You can just open a dictionary, get informed about the field of investigation of Science and Philosophy and getting over it.

>>724327557
It was written in ancient Greek myth, that Zues was into pederasty, as was Mars, who was the father of Eros, which is why Plutarch claimed that the best soldiers in the world were made from Spartan soldiers who loved their comrades sexually. There was even a whole army of homosexual lovers who famously died with no survivors because they all refused to desert their lovers in battle.

>>724319513
is that thing now female or male?
you know what? i dont care.
full hammer mode in the ass

>>724328673
science evolved from philosophy, philosophy is an outdated form of science, for all intents and purposes it is a pseudoscience

>>724328134
Again you proved that you can't even read. I never mentioned or discussed about the quality of either metaphysics's and science's field/methodology; I just proved that by definition metaphysics is different than science (and pseudoscience) and vice versa and the only thing you proved is that you are utterly ignorant and ad-hominem illogical attacker claiming other people is retard and non able to provide a single valid and logical point without reading and getting seriously informed before saying shit.

>>724320548
It's called batshit-crazy leftist parents using their innocent and maleable children as pawns to push their degenerate agenda. I mean, liberals kids have been taken away by social services for precisely this sort of bullshit and rightfully so.

>>724328673
its not a hardscience, also you ignored the part where i stared thats soft-scrientific disciplines get fucked with so hard that you cant fully trust even a theory in these disciplines.
also do i have to prove things and you just direct me to "the dictionary" such a double standard kek

>>724328862
>I never mentioned or discussed about the quality of either metaphysics's

yes you did moron, you tried to claim that believing in sky fairies is "legit" because metaphysics said so

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>>724321982

>>724328688

Well Zeus also assumed the form a bull to fuck some chick, and the form of a swan to fuck another, i guess that makes him a furry too.

Gayness didn't make better soldiers out of anyone, Spartans lost to the Thebans (the one you are referring on the last part), and the Thebans lost to the Macedonians and the Macedonians lost to the Romans. Strategy, gear and logistics win wars not faggotry.

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>>724328862
>YOU are utterly ignorant

>"claiming other people is retard and non able to provide..."

what the fuck

>>724321982
an adult idk, a child---fuck this shit

>>724328994

When your beliefs are so fucked up and assed backwards that you need to say the opposition is making shit up just so you can justify your oppression, ignorance and hatred.

I am not going to take the time to educate myself because then I would have less time in the day to eat McDonalds and watch TV, so I'll just say everyone else is lying.

Which is it?

>>724319624
Science and religion are beyond the point.

It's simply a matter of ratio, the LGBT++++ makes up 3.8 % or the country and .03 are trans.

It is unrealistic to expect an entire country to up heave it's fundamental logistics to write in legal loopholes for .03 of the population when male/female is the difference between BILLIONS of dollars in the industries.

I genuinely don't care what these faggots do, but if anything I'd ask them to try to understand the logistics behind their movement.

Arbitrary change for feelings which would end in a massive legal fallout.

>>724319914

Uhh, that's what he was saying, retard?

>>724328849
Repeating something illogical does not make it logical.
Philosophy and science are by definition completely different and both of them are still being studied all over the world. I bet that if you read a serious philosophical paper you would turn in a screeching individual claiming that "I UNDERSTAND NOTHING THEREFORE IT'S MEANINGLESS AND PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC".

If you live in a civilized country it is fundamentally due to Philosophy.
Science do not define and can't investigate ethics, when Philosophy does.

For example, Science can provide a nuclear bomb, philosophy can discuss about ethics of using it towards innocent people.

Again, study more before screeching.

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>>724319513

look i tried my best

>>724327054
>I agree that masculine and feminine are cultural ideals, not natural evolutionary traits. You see in nature that the Hyena female is dominant over the male, and that the amount of testosterone she produces, causes he clitoris to become larger than a male hyena's penis

So you talk about culture and give a biologic example, wtf man. If the level of testosterone remains normal in men and women, their social behaviour will mimic their biological print, unless something goes wrong in the wiring or is purposely artificially altered.

>>724329235
just because you call your belief in sky fairy as "philosophical" doesn't make your opinion more valid, you are still retarded

>>724328849
PHILOSOPHY IS AN OUTDATED FORM OF SCIENCE

t. High School Freshman

>>724326904
The irony is, like I said that the closest thing to a third gender type proponent today is Milo Yiannopolous, because he is saying basically that young adolescent teenagers, when they are discomfortable with their social disposition of being forced to have a gay taste in a heterosexually favourable world, that an older male helps them to feel comfortable with their desires, and to teach them with empathy because he too was once in that uncomfortable position, and this is exactly the type of ideal relationship of pure empathy that Uranian poets like Ralph Chubb would endorse.

Pic related it's a painting of Ganymede by Ralph Chubb, aesthetically homoeroticising the adolescent boy

>>724329315
t.took a philosophy course on his community college and thinks he is Socrates

tell me a single subject that philosophy explains better than science, not two or three, just one

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>>724329392
morality.

>>724328993
No.

"God cannot be investigated by Science by its definition. Can only be investigated by metaphysics, a branch of philosophy."

"Gender not only can be investigated by science, but also has been proved to be strongly genetically determined almost since the study of biology started."

"Science: Study of the objective reality in which a 40 years old man cannot be a 5 years old female cat even if he's identifying in it.
Metaphysics/Philosophy: Study of the fundamental nature of reality"

As you can read, I didn't mention the quality of the metaphysics's investigation, It would be off topic, I've written the undeniable thing that God can't, by Its definition, be investigated by science. Then, I defined the difference between science and metaphysics/philosophy and their investigation field and explained why believing in God =/= believing that a mental condition can change your gender, something strongly defined by science and genetics.

I won't answer your repeating shit/screeching illogical points again, you warned.

>>724329392
>Philosophy explains better than science

I can't explain it because you don't understand philosophy's fundamental place in the scientific method.

Philosophy isn't an alternative school of thought versus science, it is a function of the scientific method.

>community college

No fucking wonder.

>>724329104
"Little" difference:
I posted sources and logical arguments and get answered by a person who only called me "retarded" without providing a single argument . That's why it's legit for me to say that this person is utterly ignorant.

>>724329500
It doesn't explain better. It explains different things rationally.

Science explains how to build a technological device, Philosophy explains how to use it.

>>724329235
>Philosophy and science are by definition completely different and both of them are still being studied all over the world
implying that genetal mutilation tecniques arent "studied" aswell right now, as are hundreds of other super retarded things

>I bet that if you read a serious philosophical paper you would turn in a screeching individual claiming that "I UNDERSTAND NOTHING THEREFORE IT'S MEANINGLESS AND PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC".
just an insult

>If you live in a civilized country it is fundamentally due to Philosophy.
implaying that has anything to do with philosophys wearth for modern society


>For example, Science can provide a nuclear bomb, philosophy can discuss about ethics of using it towards innocent people.
>Science can provide
>philosophy can discuss
and thats the diffence

>Again, study more before screeching.
patronising your oponent in the last statement for the second time wp

pretty weak stuff,
so all in all: No1 : it has to be real because people practice it

No2: it was part of building modern society, so it has to hold importance for modern times(you know like slavery)
great shit.

its mambojambo, nobody gives a fuck what philosophers say, so its like religion without the power. im not saying it cant be helpfull or interesing, but thats it

>>724329275
Having a penis-sized clitoris does not make her male, and her external clitoris didn't emerge for the purpose of its social uses. It gets socially used as a sort of ritual between two hyenas, after they come out of the wild from being in solitude they sniff each other's testicles. The reason why her testosterone develops is in fact unrelated to the final use it gets put to. Another example is dinosuars and birds, feathers' original usage is to allow dinosaurs to insulate warmth and catch fish, it has nothing to do with flying originally, flying is only invented later as an affect from falling and then catching onto wind drag with the feathers to glide in the air.

The point is evolution doesn't have a point. Masculine and feminine are not permanent things that have happened throughout evolutionary history, but are mutations which don't follow a designated pattern of design in the long-term.

>>724329500
>I can't explain it
>because you don't understand

let me guess, you failed your science classes and decided to get the easy philosophy course to pass your grade?

I didn't really have an opinion until I was forced to think about it this morning. I'm gathering though that the majority believe:

1. If you believe you are a chimp, and act on that by attempting to change as much as you can into a chimp, that's not ok because you are definitely genetically not a chimp, and can never appear to exist as a chinp, mental illness.

2. If you believe you are a woman when you have a dick, even though that is demonstrably the opposite of reality, that is ok because, we have the ability to change the way other perceive us either by hormones, surgery, or simply changing clothes. Not a mental illness.

Am i getting this right?

Btw i could really give a shit what people do, I like many people who are LGB or T. Unlike many people I can hold two opposing ideas in my head and still function.

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>>724329366
Ralph Chubb believed in the "third sex" theory.

>>724329736
That's exactly what I'm saying, philosophy is fundamental to the decision making and process in which scientific discovery is made.

It is again a function of the process, not an alternative.

You need a hammer and a screwdriver in every tool kit.

>>724329843
>you failed
Not an argument. You're simply too stupid to realize the answer is written in the post.

PHILOSOPHY IS FUNDAMENTAL TO SCIENCE.

>>724329906
>PHILOSOPHY IS FUNDAMENTAL TO SCIENCE.
was

>>724329906
Pleased to know that someone else here is able to provide a valid point about this. Thank you.

>>724329958
Philosophy isn't fundamental to science, philosophy is fundamental to the good life. Science isn't fundamentally related to the good life. Science invented mass weapons of destruction, science invented the ability to create trannies. So by your very world-opinions, you cannot seriously hold that science can take the place of philosophy.

>>724330146
Because if science is fundamentally related to the good life, how could science invent trannies then?

>>724329825
Your post:
80% greentext and repeating
10% illogical strawman and conclusions
10% mambojambo nobody gives a fuck about valid points, definitions and facts.

kek

>>724330146
>Philosophy isn't fundamental to science, philosophy is fundamental to the good life. Science isn't fundamentally related to the good life. Science invented mass weapons of destruction, science invented the ability to create trannies. So by your very world-opinions, you cannot seriously hold that science can take the place of philosophy.
kek what has that to do with philosophy not beeing fundamental to science, wrong post maybe?

There are only 2 genders, Male and Female.

>>724330223
great rebuttal
>mambojambo
is a beautifull word isnt it

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>>724319513

ITT: Memes: GO!

The fuck is all this philosophizing? I'm trying to fap, post more trans kids

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Being transgender is not classified as a mental disorder, but gender dysphoria - i.e. the stress and negative feelings that people have about being the wrong gender - is clearly a treatable condition.

Treatments usually include therapy and counselling. Surgery is pretty rare.

A good analogy would be someone who is depressed because they are fat. Being fat is clearly not a mental disorder, but the depression that comes of not being what you want to be clearly is.

>>724329833
>It gets socially used as a sort of ritual between two hyenas, after they come out of the wild from being in solitude they sniff each other's testicles.

Dogs do that all the time too, so what, its a way of identifying who's male and who's female, and if female, if she's receptive. As for the Hyenas abnormal testosterone in females maybe it served a purpose, but it's still an abnormality and the exception in the larger canideae family. And it's still biological not social, the testosterone shapes the social not the reverse.

Since we're talking about homo sapiens, the matter still stands, men and women are clearly defined by their biology anything that alters that perception is either an abnormality or artificially altered.

>>724330604
Being transgender is always and intrinsically a consequence of being affected by gender dysphoria.
A fat depressed man is depressed about a real physical condition, scientifically observable.
A trans identifies in something different than its real physical condition, scientifically observable, distorting the reality and being, for this, mentally ill.

>>724330266
Philosophy is a discourse that can involve science, but what the good life is cannot be totally explained with scientific reasons. If I want to eat a cake, I eat it because I like cake, I do not first decide that the reason that I should eat cake is because my calorie intake is low. If you want to have sex, you do not say "I will procreate because the instinctual need to have a baby is high, because blood pressure from not much exercise is causing me to be more likely to have a stroke, because affection releases chemicals that help me to prevent getting stressed which harms my immune system", you say you want to have sex for some other reason, that is more dumb and not rationally justifiable in such scientific language, otherwise we'd all be scientific speaking gibberish automatons without the need for feeling emotions, which are what govern our rational behaviour in our brains anyway

>>724330604
I am sure /pol/cucks think fat is mental disorder too

>>724330399
na, I dont feel like taking advantage of the kid for my amusement. Her parents have already taken advantage to push their bs politics.

>>724330630
We evolved cats and dogs to be as they are in their behaviour artificially, by only breeding the ones that would obey and abide by our cultures, which are plastic and changeable by our brains

>>724330985
Being fat is objectively a physical condition caused by the mental choice of eating too much.
Clearly nothing to do with transgenderism, as explained.

>>724330940
yeah i get what youre saying, it just doesnt have andything to to with philosophy beeing fundamental
for science, you argue that is should which i kinda agree with, but thats just not how it is

>>724331148
For example, you would never get a Shitzu naturally in the wild, it could only come out of an abnormality and artificiality.

>>724320683
Give a single reason as for why they should be cured and how? Enabling them to live as they identify has been widely recognised as the best alternative.

>>724331326
>Give a single reason as for why they should be cured
i agree fuck em

>>724330782
You are assuming that gender and sex are the same thing. Something that the scientific community has abandoned long, long ago.

>>724331153
Well, science is a type of philosophy, the philosophy of science is best elaborated by Karl Popper. In other words something which cannot be proven false by tests confirms a hypothesis to be a theory. But you can't really prove that objective reality would exist without a consciousness to perceive it, so objective reality is given to certain philosophical rules that structure it even outside of scientific empirical phenomena

cant we just leave each other alone? let them do what the want. just dont do it to children

>>724331623
Children are the evil ones, have you ever seen what a child can do with live insects, or how demonaically self-centered a child can be? I say good riddance to all of the children, let them be damned forever by society

>>724331439
>Something the scientific community has abandoned
No you're just talking shit

What you call "gender" (the thing no one cares about) was never involved in the scientific community
Scientists never cared about what people wore or how they acted, so to say the scientific community sees a difference between gender and sex is an outright lie

>>724331148

Not really, cat and dogs choosed the easy path, free food and protection against the environment and other predators by hanging out with humans.
On a later stage we took the most aggressive, wimpiest, fuzziest, cutest according to function and gave them a breading advantage.

>>724331621
>science is a type of philosophy, the philosophy of science
no the philosophy of science is part of philosophy
if you study a science youll never learn about philosophy, so why mix two things that clearly(atleast nowadays) work on different aspect of existence?
>so objective reality is given to certain philosophical rules that structure it even outside of scientific empirical phenomena
i just dont see that in practice though.
sure in philosophy, but in reality?
humans dont abide to general rules, so whoever just happens to have the power decides how science is used or not, what is and what isnt

>>724331861
They say applying gender to sex is a lie, but that sexual difference does occur in the body, just that genders aren't scientifically agreed upon concepts in the community.

>>724327080
>triggered faggot
Sorry that you're a fucking abomination. End your pitiful existence, faggot.

>>724332215
>They say
who?

>genders aren't scientifically agreed upon concepts in the community
If by gender here you mean synonym of sex (the common person's definition) then you're simply wrong, the general rule is XX and XY with few exceptions, mostly on the SRY gene that can sometimes change chromosome but it's a rare case

If by gender once again you mean crap like wearing dresses then it has NOTHING AT ALL to do with science so stop pretending scientists have anything to do with it

>>724320683
Youre right about it technically being a mental illness. But i dont think they need to be cured. Just like the other anon said, let them live as whatever gender they choose to be.

>>724332160
Well humanity would have to decide general rules to abide by for new technologies, otherwise, no ethical regulations or laws prohibiting illegal biotechnology experiments could be used.

It is only a semantics problem, whether you call science a type of philosophy or philosophy of science a type of philosophy, because if you contradict the philosophy of science, it is no longer a science but a pseudo-science.

>>724319782
Gender identity =\= gender...

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>>724320288
You are misusing the sociological definition of gender. In discussing gender in sociology you are talking about the sociological differences between males and females. Without already categorizing males and females based on the definitions of male and female, then such study would be impossible, and nonsensical if attempted.

So yes, behavioural things associated with being male or female, social conventions associated with being male or female are socially constructed (though no less valid or useful for that fact).

Gender itself is not.

This is a pallid representation of sociology as it comes from non-academics like gender studies grads.

>>724332768
>It is only a semantics problem
yee
>Well humanity would have to decide general rules to abide by for new technologies, otherwise, no ethical regulations or laws prohibiting illegal biotechnology experiments could be used.
but we really dont, nobody abides to these rules, if we did we wouldnt clone or work on ai or weapons of massdistrucion
we just keep going untill we get fucked

>>724321982
Considering that the majority of child people expressing dysphoria go through puberty and are fine, this early transition thing is bad. And it is based on really poor science that resulted in two suicides...

>>724332492
>If by gender once again you mean crap like wearing dresses then it has >NOTHING AT ALL to do with science so stop pretending scientists have anything to do with it

Yes I said genders can't be agreed upon as concepts by the scientific community, since as early as Freud, who said that the idea of masculine and feminine essence is "hopelessly confused", basically a child has no idea of the difference between sex. As an early boy, many boys assume the baby is born out of the anus, which does happen in some species, and that everybody else has a penis including girls. They know no difference in sex so it is not that important for them to identity-label, since you could say before puberty, boys and girls are identical, they both get their relationship pleasure and their early physical pleasure from close contact with people from their caregivers. How their caregivers act shapes their model for what they seek in relationships.

>>724333296
You can't refer to Freud as a scientist and expect to be take seriously sorry

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/autism-transgendered-movement

>>724333202
Yes we do, I went to university to study biotech and there's only one experiment allowed which you can do without a tonne of government approval paperwork getting lodged and then sent through various regulatory committees. That's with e coli, a bacteria which cannot do any harm or be used for any potential strange use. However all biotechnology discoveries are counted as patented intellectual property once they're found out, so the only people who are going to be profit every time new genetically altered seeds are offered to allow farmers to compete at a cost-effective rate on the market comes from those who own the intellectual property rights

>>724332366
>triggered /pol/cuck
is this what you do in your free time when you aren't watching BLACKED porn?

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>>724319513
WTF is that?
Why are SJW parents abusing their children? How can a kid before puberty know about sexuality that she or he does not even have?

SJW's are truly cancer

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>>724333025

>>724333642
id still fuck it

>>724333333

>>724333558
i mean as a species dude, the wheel keeps on turning

>>724333712
wonder what its butt smells like

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>>724319513
>transgender kids
wow, you americans sure are retarded and your inbred kids are even more fucking retarded

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>>724333726
I have seen that one, too... mine is vastly superior.

>>724333447
He was one of the earliest proponents for the neuron doctrine, and studied over 400 samples of different species of animals brains under microscopes.

Also his theory that the child and mother relationship is sexually unconsciously an analogous experience to the adult's coitus is backed up by strong evidence which shows that oxytocin, the pleasure chemical producing orgasm, is released in a mother's brain while she is breast feeding her child, and that later on evolution uses the same neural processing in evolutionarily selecting mates, based on the care/sex/breast feeding circuitry in adults, who depend upon their childhood sexuality in adult sexuality.

The people most often with sexual problems are also antisocial, because without proper care in childhood they can develop lesions in their hippocampus, which can erase and make some of their memories unconscious.

Freud was right about the unconscious, but he himself said later biological research could prove him wrong on other things. However the clinical method is not wrong, because scientifically it is true, that you can observe consciousness from two distinct points of view, a quantitative point of view or a direct psychological point of view by directly talking to that person and learning about who that person is. It's physico-psycho parallelism, the idea that states of consciousness and physical processes in the brain aren't two seperate things, but that they are the same thing viewed from two different perspectives.

>>724319513
You're right but here's a question. How would you propose we deal with it instead? The reason we deal with it this way is because it leads to the individual having their illness affect them less, and given that the treatement doesn't actually injure anyone else it certainly is the cheapest and most logical way to deal with it. Or would you rather we just told them to stop being insane? I hear that worked really well with schizophrenics

>>724333993
Again, the base of your argument can't be on relying on Freud as a scientist

His demonstrations had no real meaningful research behind them, no matter how many brains he looked at
He didn't even follow scientific method in demonstrations and relied entirely on "it just makes sense bro"

There's a reason psychoanalysis is the laughing stock of the scientific community

>>724319513
I'm the scary man your mother warned you about. Hello little girl, please help me find my lost puppy. It was just down this alley.

>>724319624
>just as accepted

You are literally a ducking insult to real trans, pull your head out of your ass

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>>724319513
>im the scary transgender person the media warned you about
the same media that shills everything but straight white males and made trans and fag people be the new "normal"? W E W L A D

>>724333770
Isnt that a young child

>>724334210
He is mainly mocked since the 1970s when gender theory replaced the classic theory of sexuality within the ego / id conceptualisation.

However, Freud had such a difficult time with scientifically proving it, because he was relying on future advanced in science, which weren't yet capable of explaining a model of the human mind but only basic functions, like where motor muscle reactions come from, not anywhere near to the level of analyzing how dynamic and implicit and explicit memory systems work.

Also, Freud was trying to analyze sexuality not just as a physical biological instinct opposed to culture, but as a cultural instinct in itself, and the research of sexologists on the forefronts of modern day studies into arousal patterns in women is still admitting that its main scientific obstacle is the difficulty in isolating sexuality outside of any cultural aspects, when what they keep running into is that culture influences sexuality as well as innate biological influences, for example M Meana's review of sexology: specialisation or marginalisation?

>>724334617
it's old enough to get its butt sniffed

>>724323040
because that's the issue, if you want us gone you gonna have to do something about it (you cannot) otherwise we will come for you, opress you and then slowly exterminate you. So keep following our rules or you will get hurt

>>724335288
as its stands now the exact opposite is happening, whacha gonna do about it white boi?

>>724334764
I sort of appreciate the thought-out replies but nothing will change my opinion on the fact that Freud's theories were just stipulation and not scientific

As for the nuance of sexuality it still remains a universal fact that one's gender is determined by genes at birth and what entails after is a complex relation between nature/nurture


Anyway I'm going to bed and won't read anything in this thread so respond (or don't) with that in mind

>>724319513
shouldn't even be allowed to identify as transgender before >>724319513
puberty, and even early puberty is questionable Kids are way too impressionable..

Anyone who disagrees that gender and sex are different is just as retarded as a fucking climate change denier. Like I honestly could care less about what other people do, especially people i don't know... It takes a real fucked and pervasive kind of person to feel the need to dictate how society should act on a personal level.

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>>724319513

THIS WOULDNT HAPPEN WITH LARSEN

>>724336319
Or constant indoctrination that EVERYBODY in power is out to take THINGS away from you and straight white guys like you.

If this is all you ever hear, most people will start to believe it at some point, no matter how ridiculous the premise is.

>>724336680
ironically that kind of thinking a persecution complex found in mentally ill people

>>724336975
I suppose the difference being "mentally ill" and "just a regular guy" is how many other people believe your delusions.

>>724334452
kek yeah but let's be honest: none of these mainstream media you are referring to are actually real news media/sources. Just random "politically correct" fake news providers.

>>724338726
so which is the real media?

>>724324742
trans deserveall the hate they get its a rite of passage blacks did it, gay people did it, soon pedofiles will start seeking media attention and support for thier "disease" and then become integrated into society

>>724324905
lol projecting much? assuming that guy smells and is a strain on society must mean you're that person. Zero support you weren't even trying to support trans you probably are on too for just talk shit to some guy on a japanese sex pillow trading forum

>>724340557
>its a rite of passage blacks did it, gay people did it

Right-on, Cletus! Blacks and gays totally don’t deserve to be treated equally to straight white guys, amirite?

>>724319513
I mean it is simple, that girl seems like a girl but has a penis? Then it is a transgender

>>724340557
is being a pedophile a choice?

What if someone identifies in a 5 years old children even if he's 40 years old according to biology and the unique, objective reality

(in the exact same way in which a male identifies in a female even if according to the biology and the unique, objective reality is actually a male?)


Will it go to jail if he kisses a real 5 years old boy or nothing will happen as it would when two real 5 years old children kiss each other?

>>724319513
Thank you doctor for sharing the wisdom of your years in med school, as an intern and from practicing medicine. Or did you just read some article and decide to post on here in a vain attempt to sound like you know what the fuck you're talking about?

>>724325320
2% of the world population as of august 2016 is 143 million that is gay and won't reproduce to give you an example of ho many people that is
United Arab Emirates 9,856,000
Sweden 10,021,300
United Kingdom 65,110,000
Russia 146,838,993 (this is the closest to total gay population but slightly under)
Gayness seems to be some ttype of evolutionary thing so that instead of fighting for a woman you submit to the superior male and live of his work while never reproducing or secretly
Zimbabwe 14,240,168

>>724341555
checked

>>724341441
WHO: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness. Also every serious biology book.

Try harder.

>>724341555
>won't reproduce
you know you can still reproduce even if you are gay, right?

and even if they didn't, 2% wouldn't even change the total reproduction rate

>>724334617
>Isnt that a young child
so what?
stop your pedophobia!

>>724328199
It hurts the victim of the disorder though. They have incredibly high suicide rates even before and after hormone treatments and surgery.

They need our help not an encouragement of their disorder.

>>724341952
Its devolution is what it is. the dumb keep breeding like rabbits while the smart are either weeded out as beta males or are gay.

After the discovery of nuclear weapons evolution was like "dude, fuck that."

>>724341952
Gay couples cannot reproduce with a complete sexual intercouse. If you are claiming that a gay can decide to have an heterosexual sex intercourse to reproduce then I will logically assume that being gay is a choice.

Also, artificial insemination and surrogacy are not not a complete sexual intercourse, but only artificial practicies allowing gay couples to obtain a child, spending money (so buying children) in the vast majority of times.

>>724320501
Lol

>>724328029
"One woman called a helpline once for getting vagina contractions while breast feeding, and they sent her to be interrogated for childhood sexual abuse, because culture doesn't understand or care about the true nature of women's reproductive systems" Source or Bullshit it's widely known that nipple stimulation causes contractions,

>>724323040
It's not oppression to identify mental illness and have concern for all of mankind by pointing it out. By accepting transgender, next it will be incest, murderers, pedophiles, and rapests.(i understand my spelling may not be on point) but my reasoning is.

>>724344065
nice slippery slope retard

>>724323244
The need to be different as a species psychologically we have gone off the rails.

>>724323659
They may have fake news. But the statement of child abuse is very true. Its a different version of pagent parents dressing up there kids for attention.

>>724324257
Becoming transgender isnt about there sexual attraction. Its there brain telling them they think they should be opposite what there DNA says. There inlies the illness