Who were the fiercest fighters of all time, and why was it the

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his cousine

>>724032735
Roman soldiers. Sorry black boi.

>>724033202
Roman soldiers were disciplined, but not fierce or especially good. The whole reason they were under such strict discipline is because without it they would get their asses kicked.

>>724032735
yeah but guns > spears
prussians win
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7mbwo4rSFU&ab_channel=Implementor

>>724032735
Spartans

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>>724032735
>so professional they haven't conquered anything other than dirt

Ok pal, no need to rattle your sticks and mud shields at us.

>>724033323
>Spartans had to prove their fitness even as infants.
>Spartan children were placed in a military-style education program.
>Hazing and fighting were encouraged among Spartan children.
>All Spartan men were expected to be lifelong soldiers.
>Spartan youths were ritualistically beaten and flogged.
>Food was intentionally kept scarce, and poor fitness was cause for ridicule.
>Spartan men were not allowed to live with their wives until age 30.
>Surrender in battle was the ultimate disgrace.

>>724033320
Just having better weapons doesn't make you more fierce. Mexican drug cartel thugs have AKs and could mow down every army in history prior to the 20th century. Does that make them great warriors? No.

>>724033323
The Spartans were arrogant, not good. They lost one battle because they left their shields at home out of contempt, just to show off.

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Klingons

>>724033651
Ibutho warriors chewed fucking *poison* to build up a tolerance so that they could fill their mouths with it and spit it at their enemies in battle. That's fucking bad-ass. And every single ibutho warrior could run non-stop for 50 miles and then fight a battle at the end of the run. No Spartan could do that.

>>724033665
>Can mow down every army in history

What fucking weeaboo channel are you watching son? They're allowed to exist because they provide a niche market to encourage bad politics. Them mowing down 3rd world shit rats in body armor and civilian taco mongers has no bearing on their ability to take on anything above nobody's.

>>724034196
Can you read? The entire point of what I wrote is that they AREN'T fierce. They're an example of how just having superior weaponry doesn't make you bad-ass.

>>724032735
Mongols were fiercer.

>>724034464
Mongols were more ruthless, it's true, but as warriors they were just better-than-average horse archers. The reason Mongols were so feared is because of their tactics: they'd give a city one chance to surrender. If they didn't, the city would be utterly annihilated: every single man, woman, and child slaughtered, and the entire city razed to the ground.

Literally any white people ever.

Reason: 100% of the world has been conquered by whites, vs not even all of South Africa by the Zulus.
And the only people that can conquer a white army is-you guessed it-ANOTHER white army.

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>>724034916
>What is the Battle of Isandlwana, Alex?

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>WE WUZ KANGS N SHIET
the thread

>>724035201
One battle.
How'd the Zulus do in the rest of the war?
Oh that's right-they got THEIR ASS HANDED TO THEM.

>>724035441
Every ibutho warrior could run for 50 miles barefoot and then fight a battle at the end of it. Can you even roll your oily flab up the stairs to get your tendies?

>>724032735
Roman
Mongol
Ottoman
Nazi
Soviets
United states

>>724032735
>no armor
>close range
>caveman-tier gear
>can run for a long time barefoot
>niggers

OP what are you trying to pull here

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>>724032735

>>724032735
Methed up Nazis for sure

>>724035611
>Every ibutho warrior could run for 50 miles barefoot and then fight a battle at the end of it

isent that a quote form a movie? how do you know its even true, if you have proof then have it at

>>724032735
Weak bait is weak.

>>724035611
Okay, now you're just quoting Zulu, which is admittedly an awesome movie, but it's hardly a reliable source.

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>>724032735
i smell a nigger

>>724036153
>how do you know its even true
Morris, Donald R. (1994) [1965]. The Washing of the Spears: A History of the Rise of the Zulu Nation Under Shaka and Its Fall in the Zulu War of 1879

https://books.google.ca/books?id=M_DAxi8sBHEC&redir_esc=y

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>>724032735
European knights. Wealthy, possessed best equipment available in their times. Hard as fuck to kill.

>>724033293
>Not fierce or especially good
>Conquered half the world

0/10 for making me reply.

>>724036998
Bureaucracy and technological advantage, m80.

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>>724032735
I think in equal numbers, any of the following would defeat Zulu warriors: european knights or men at arms, samurai, vikings, the chinese imperial army, roman armies (republican or imperial), or basically any army > 1900AD.

I agree that Zulu warriors were notable, but you have to consider that the main reason they did so well was that they were using actual warfare tactics against opponents using tribal "dispute" tactics. The tribal african way of war before Shaka was a low casualty, low ferocity method in which the men of two tribes would meet at a prearranged spot and throw insults and spears at each other. Deaths from this were actually pretty rare, and that was accepted because in those days a human life was more valuable that land, because they had a metroc fuckton of land but not that many people. Certain especially valuable places would be fought over, but by and large, conflicts just weren't worth a war. Shaka changed that by actually pressing forward to kill his enemies and conquering their lands and people.

When the zulu were fighting undisciplined tribal warriors they did well, but after The Crushing their tactics spread, and their expansion greatly slowed as they were now fighting enemies using their own tactics against them, and every single time they fought a professional army they lost, save for one battle.

Also when lauding tbeir prowess as conquerers remember that they only conquered an area the size of New Jersey.

In other words,

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>>724036998
Just being effective doesn't make you fierce. The Romans were very good at discipline. They were master tacticians, and they specialized in carefully-orchestrated battle plans. The individual soldiers were not great. The whole point of having such well-drilled and disciplined troops was so they didn't have to have fierce warriors. They could take Joe Slob, hand him a gladius, and slot him into a machine of conquest.

>>724037283
Yeah. Almost like ferocity means absolutely nothing when faced with superior technology, discipline, and organisation.

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>>724037283
>Implying bureaucracy is relevant during combat out in the middle of the woods, knee deep in shit and guts.

Wew lad.

>>724037362
And it worked out beautifully for them.

>>724037292
A lot more could be added to that list. Ancient Egyptians and any Mesopotamian society would easily defeat them in equal numbers.

>>724037292
/thread

>>724032735
The celts fought naked in battle up until the Roman era. They were famed as savage and fierce warriors, and Ireland such a barren shithole, that the Romans didn't even attempt to conquer it. Their mercenaries found use throughout the ancient world including the army of Alexander the Great. As late as the 19th century Irish regiments were famous for their bravery in battle.

There is a reason Afghanistan is known as the "Graveyard of Empires". Their tribes are fierce and divided, only united in their conflict against the outside. Innumerable times throughout history they have waged guerilla warfare against technologically and numerically superior foes. The only way to effectively control the area is full scorch & salt tactics. The peoples of the Khyber Pass in particular are known not only as fierce combatants, but fine craftsmen. The jezail was famed for its accuracy and elegance and even today their gunsmithing allows them to make reproductions, of varying degrees of quality, of a large number of guns.

The Aztecs of mesoamerica were undisputed rulers of the area, until the Europeans came with their guns, germs and promises of payback to all of the various peoples the Aztec had conquered and enslaved. Their armor was light and incredibly effective.

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>>724036010
>Roman
Technology and bureaucratic advantage over every enemy they faced, individual legionnares were garbage

>Mongols
Fantastic archers, demons on horses, average individual fighters

>US
Bureaucracy, organization, technology. Smart and badass, dishonorable

>Ottoman, Nazi, Soviets
>mfw

>>724037751
>Implying Nazis didn't almost take on the whole world and win

>>724037674
Afghans are a good one, I didn't think of them! That makes me think the Comanche, Apache, and Ghurkas might also be a good choice, though to be honest I don't know a lot about the Ghurka's way of war pre-foreign legion days, I just know that in their service in the 20th century they became known for insane bravery and ferocity.

As a bit of a nitpick, the Celts never fought naked, I believe you're confusing them with their pict ancestor/predecessors.

>>724037292
The Vikings never conquered any great empire, nor did the Japanese. We're not talking about the overall effectiveness of an army. As I mentioned, the Romans were great conquerors, but their troops were nothing special. The Zulus were not amazing strategists, but the ibutho warriors were absolutely terrifying. The only warriors who even come close to such personal ferocity are the Cossacks and the the Aztec Jaguars. Can you name any other military which trained to run 50 miles non-stop? Or which made their soldiers *eat poison* so they could build up immunity to allow them to literally spit poison at their enemies?

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>Fiercest fighters
> Ctrl+f Gurkha's 0 results

Slack-jawed faggots the thread.

>>724037892
>take on the whole world
By which you mean 1/3rd of it

>almost win
By which you mean certainly doom themselves to loss by attacking the soviet union.

>>724038085
Listen famalam, in a 1v1 Germany would have decimated every single one of the allied countries. Your argument is invalid. The fact that they lost doesn't mean they weren't effective.

>>724033965
Spartans would kick there ass in a fight both in a group and one on one

Genghis Khan and his men own this thread.

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Look up the battle of blood river, literally less that 500 farmers killed thousends of these niggers.

>>724038038
Underrated post is underrated.

Ask the American indians who the greatest warriors ever were. (protip:they were white)

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>>724033323
This. Spartans.

>>724032735
Also.. Last I checked using your fucking brains made you a better soldier than ruthlessly punishing your body.
The Zulu were spanked by the Romans because they lacked anything beyond rudimentary tactics.
Their ranged weapons were non-existent, and they tried charging enemies predictably.
This lack of learning because "muh tradition" cost them their nation when the British showed up in the 19th century.
Pick a better warrior caste to bait with then some mud hutted half naked nignogs with various sticks.

>>724038324
The German special forces were chosen for political reasons. SS troops weren't especially well trained or fierce or brave, they were just easily brainwashed or had family connections. Not exactly "top warrior" material.

>>724037998
>the vikings nevet conquered
I'll take normans for 1066, Alex.


>ibutho warriors were absolutely terrifying
Right! Which is why redcoats with just the beyonets on their rifles could inflict greater casualties on them while resisting a charge, and why the Zulus never conquered an Area larger than New Jetsey, despite the fact that they were CONSTANTLY trying.

Also, this "disregarding actual prowess in favor of ferocity" thing is getting tired. One on one, a Zulu warrior is going to lose to a knight, samurai, roman soldier, viking, whoever, simply because they all had better armor, better weapons, better technology, and better training.

Being more ferocious just means you happen to look more angry thanscared when the knight is pulling his sword out of your gut.

>>724034916
so so true

>>724038324
I'd agree with that except for the soviets and the USA. The soviets would have given them a damn good run for their money, and there's no chance in hell they'd have been able to take the amerifats.

>>724038516
Correction: pre-zulu inhabitants.
(not that much changes in Africa)

"In the Battle at the Ncome or Blood River about 3000 Zulu warriors died. The Voortrekkers, however, had - except for three lightly injured men - no losses. The deeply religious Boers ascribed the military victory not to their superior armament and tactics, but saw it as a miracle and sign from God." even God hated these niggers.

>>724038439
There were and are plenty of unconquered First Nations. The Haida, for example, were so fierce that the British said "fuck this" and let them keep their island since there was nothing on them worth kicking the hornet's nest. The Haida were so warlike that at one point, 2 out of every 3 people in the Haida nation was a slave. To this day the Haida have never signed any pacts with the white man.

Even when Shaka Zulu's died he warned the follow up king; "the white men will be the end of us"

>>724038825
>>>724033320
And to this day i am the second person to ever hear of them.

>>724038825
Key point:
>since there was nothing on them worth kicking the hornet's nest
As the british happily demonstrated with the Zulus and Chinese, it doesn't matter how fucking fierce you are, if you have something they want, they'd come to get it.

>>724038085
admittedly a huge mistake that cost them the war. if they had just kept friends with the soviets till the end of the war its very possible that they would control all of Europe

>>724038324
I don't know about the US. We saw what happened in France and Russia, with the Soviets only securing victory with the support of the Lend Lease program and ever increasing pressure from the Allies. The US' main arm was the Garand, although the Springfield remained in use in significant numbers, where as the Germans were using bolt-action rifles were the primary weapon well into the war. I'm not too familiar with the tanks or planes, so I can't really comment on that, but I am fairly certain the American navy was significantly better than the Kreigsmarine.

>>724038517
>The German special forces were chosen for political reasons.

The SS were the elite, that does not mean they were the best soldiers in the German army. In the case of WWII Germany that would have likely been the Fallschirmjager.

>>724038997
you uh
don't know what prussia is?

>>724034370
>Mexican Cartel enforcer
>not badass
pick one

>>724039715
I'll take chicken with extra cheese on my taco, Juan, now get back to work.

>>724039853
wait which do you want? extra cheese on taco or get back to work?

>>724040010
GOD DAMN IT JUAN DON'T TRY THIS BULLSHIT, WHEN YOU WERE HITTING ON AMBER EARLIER YOUR ENGLISH WAS FINE, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, JUST GET ME MY DAMN TACO BEFORE I HAVE TRUMP DEPORT YOU.

>>724039062
the Nazis weren't very friendly. They were constantly one upping their allies and betrayed them if it suited their needs. I'm not passing judgement, but I doubt they would have been able to keep any 'friends'.

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>>724040405
>the Nazis weren't very friendly

>>724032735
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War

The British...

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>>724037998
The vikings sailed to america, india, iceland and alaska, settled all over including GB. What's this ferocity shit you wanna build so much upon, nigras are good at running because they were too retarded to figure out other ways of catching prey. Who cares about them conquering the mud huts and deserts of other tribes?

>>724033651
>food was intentionally kept scarce

>poor fitness was cause for ridicule

Your heroes just sound like idiots.

>>724041650
It was to prevent the hedonistic habits of the Romans and Greeks.

>>724041468

So the Vikings went to places who were inhabited by peoples several hundreds of years behind them technologically and killed them and stole their stuff.

Why does this make them fierce warriors?

>>724041939
>Vikings
>Technologically advanced

Pick one and only one my friend.

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>>724032735
u want sum? fucking zulu shitskin cunt

>>724042109

And what does that have to do with my comment?

They can have primitive technology and still be more advanced than others.

>>724041468
The Vikings got their nads kicked by the Beothuk and sailed away from Newfoundland whimpering with their tails between their legs, never to be seen there again. Not exactly the indomitable warrior-kings you spergs would have people believe.

>>724042109
They were basically on par with the rest of Europe at the time.

>>724041765
The "hedonistic" Thebans crushed Sparta. So much for proto-fascism, eh Gunther?

>>724032735
itt: google history

>>724042316
>They can have primitive technology and still be more advanced than others
lol
define 'advanced'

>>724032735
polish hussary
beat that

>>724042734
or winged hussars is another name

>>724042734
Literally anyone with a sail on their back. Or, like, a stiff wind.

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>>724032735
The macedonians

>>724042316
Wow, you're thick. I'd say dragging their boats for miles from river to river, and spending months on the open sea in tiny boats to steal your finest women makes them pretty fierce

>>724042907
you get it man
they were so badass that enemies were runnin away coz they were scared of wings and exotic furrs they have been wearin
maybe not best warriors on earth ever coz they were heacly armored
like 50kg of armor

>>724032735

Qwit it with the negro's is da most awesomist _____ shit.

Seriously. Better to shut up and be though a fool, then open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Even the smart black guys are like "Bro, enough of that shit. You think it's funny, but I gotta go to work tomorrow and deal with what people think of that shit."

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>>724033803
My nigga.

What about the Jaffa, though?

>>724034464
>Mongols were fiercer.

Definitely.

Klingons were patterned after Mongols - one of the smartest things Roddenberry ever did.

What about /b/

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>>724036010
>united states army
>has the most advanced weapons and equipment.
>gets raped by a bunch of chink farmers with makeshift weapons.
>gets raped by camel fuckers living in caves with shit weapons.
LoL

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Shaka-Boohoo shitposting.

>>724043312
>United states gets raped by chink farmers with makeshift weapons and camel fuckers in caves with shit weapons

Neither of these ever happened. Fuck are you on about?

>>724041650
>>724041765
Actually they kept food rations scarce to encourage stealing from the Agora to teach them to be stealthy.

>>724032735
>marching daily over thorns to toughen their feet so they could run barefoot into battle
Because nigs so dumb they couldnt even invent shoes. Fucking native americans were able to master that shit.

>>724042352
Yeah, thousands of miles across the ocean with no hope of resupply or reinforcements. No one else would have the guts to even try that until gunpowder was a thing.

Maori, hands down. Kept the British fucking Empire at bay for years until they managed to settle on the Maori's terms.

>>724043452
Vietnam, Afghanistan/Iraq/pretty much every sandnigger country they have tried to invade.

>>724037987
>Ghurka's way of war pre-foreign legion days

Ghurkas are bad-ass. Even today, watered down as the tradition is, the Indian Special Infantry does hazardous entries with their Kukris - cant shoot-though and kill your own guys with a blade, and they're kill speed is truly impressive - one good stroke to the neck, armpit, or groin, and you're dead just that quick.

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>>724032735
1) Niggers can run, any episode of Cops can confirm
2) Professional: Has baggage attached to it. In the modern world we associate Professional with say Swat, secret service or the cliche Navy seals, People who are hand picked from the best of the best, trained and equipped by the best of the best and have a vast skill set (Human psychology, security, unarmed and small weapons, lock picking etc) that would over qualify them for almost any civilian job - Building/personal security, Emergency response fire police or emt, Some one you could plug right into an Ocean's 11 movie.
Maybe unfair but the best we could compare ibutho to is the backyard fighting hood nigger, Perhaps backyard fighting hood nigger taught some mma by older backyard fighting hood nigger. Where likely talking boys indoctrinated into a kill or be killed or we'll kill you scenario. But in the Hood nigger would bring more to the table having lived in a white society.
3a) Your scale is arbitrary, dismissing objective criteria as Societal size, land controlled / seized, battles won etc and using "I like them"
3b) I don't car what car is fastest, toughest, can carry the most, I like my car, I don't care how much you like your car
4) We can nullify the bulk of the argument with a game of "Trapped in a dark ally with", granted 'Nigger with a spear' would be on the list.

>>724038517
>The German special forces were chosen for political reasons. SS troops weren't especially well trained or fierce or brave, they were just easily brainwashed or had family connections. Not exactly "top warrior" material.

True. German fightin was successful because of the machine and the tactics, not the individual men. The Kaiser's army was in fact far better at fighting than any unit Hitler ever fielded, although the Panzer units were mad-ass at tearing upi the field...

>>724032735
Lol.. the vikings werent bad at farming as much as the land in scandinavia wasnt great for it... which is why they invaded the british isles and used that farmland. Just because they raided churches and villages doesnt mean they didnt fight wars or against proper warriors either. maybe research all your comparison material instead of just looking for the details that support your bias?

>>724039062
>if they had just kept friends with the soviets till the end of the war its very possible that they would control all of Europe

True, but stupid is as Hitler does. He could never contain his ambition or his pride - they were the Reich's undoing

>>724039487
>Fallschirmjager.
Ne. Fallschrimjager are the (current) German paratroopers. Hitler had no such thing at the start of the war, and after seeing British SAS he tried to imitate them, but didn't have thee time or resources to develop an effective paratroop force.

I've jumped with the FSJ at Graf, and they are good troops, totally patterned after US Rangers, and quite comparable as a fighting force, but not nearly as many of them as we have in 75th.

>>724037998
Modern archeology is busy proving you wrong. Viking outposts from the Candian Arctic to Kiev, Russia with abundant evidence of a robust slave trade from the conquered.

>>724032735
>we wuz kangz
>we wuz
>wuz

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/this fucking thread

>>724043775
And every one of those countries you named were wrecked so hard it left a generational gap to the point that it was mostly old men and little kids (and women of all ages) for a while. Nice try fag. Just because we felt so sorry we pulled out doesn't mean we didn't leave a devastated country raped by mass destruction behind. Kys tbh fam.

>>724033484
/thread

>>724044747
>we
Which regiment did you do your service in Viet Nam in, Rambo?

>>724044747

And if you really piss us off,
you can be the next Japan...

Barbecue, anyone?

>>724043452
>doesn't know how wars work
>doesn't know that bogeymen are more valuable than victories to the u.s. government
>reddit gold member

>>724044580
If you're looking for fanatical fighters that don't care about death (or actively seek it), then you cannot outdo Imperial Japan.

>>724044985
>how wars work
Godless heathens! allahu akbar!!
Let's show them christian values and punch them in the face for Jesus!
Something like this?

>>724045490
>Something like this?

Nay, it's Jew warfare - we were set up to fight until the profits ran out. "Victory" was never the point.

>>724037514
having enough quartermasters can make a difference between getting guns ammo and rations in the field and not getting jack

more of a strategic factor than a tactical one

>>724043775
its cause we arent trying to just kill all of them. if our mission had been to just kill everyone in thos shit hole countries we would have wiped them off the face of the earth easy

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>>724044454
Germany had a very effective paratrooper force at the start of WW2.
Between the excellent training, good planning, and (later on around 1942) specifically-designed weapons, those men were well suited to their role. Being able to drop in, capture or destroy enemy positions and then hold them until a main force arrived or sever the enemy from their command and force a surrender.

There were some issues with the Fallschirmjager system: specifically their parachute rigging and their weapons being dropped separately from the men (This issues becomes really apparent during the Battle of Crete.)
But once they hit the ground and got their gear, they were dangerous opponents.

That for some reason often get overlooked and all the praise/attention goes to the Waffen-SS whose sole defining quality was taking moronic amounts of casualties because they would not back down from an attack.

well spear toting nignogs or pre castration swedes sure sounds like fierce warriors but when i see where it led them i'd prefer being on the side of " the best conquerors " aka the white european man

>>724032735
but you arent an ibutho warrior. youre just a nigger.

>>724045490
Almost.

Islamic terrorism, communism, Russia, N. Korea, whatever the flavor of the month is, are all essentially the same thing in the eyes of those in power. The U.S. government needs to create stories that make U.S. citizens frightened of the "enemy." Fear is the most valuable weapon. If they actually wanted to, they could easily destroy 90% of Islam in a week or so. Technically less time, but nobody really wants to break out nukes. The U.S. has ICBMs, SAMs, drones, Stealth B2 bombers, hell the U.S. Navy has a tractor beam. Do you seriously think they'd have any real trouble with a bunch of poor unfed, unwashed, untrained civilians riding on camels and throwing rocks? C'mon dude.

>>724044196
if only his generals had just taken power away from him when he started acting crazy

>>724045884
>Germany had a very effective paratrooper force at the start of WW2.

Glider troops not the same. Yes, Reich paratroopers were comedic act, as you say, particularly in Crete. Hitler's attempt to copy British SAS was inspired, but not effective. They were just regular troops delivered by air. Bravery was probably a bit higher than average, because they were delivered like air cargo, which is scary as hell, but otherwise no different from regular Bundes...

>>724046582
>if only his generals had just taken power away from him when he started acting crazy

Yep, we'd probably all be speaking German right now. Even the Russians.

Maybe not the Chinese, though.

Bamp

>>724045949
You mean the Mediterraneans.....don't steal nor appropriate deeds of my ancestors which Whites base themselves off. While my ancestors were conquering lands, making technological advances, art, yours were still fucking sheep in the pastures.

>>724032735
Persian 10000 immortals i guess

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>>724033965
Spear chuckers vs. Society of Warriors.

Hmm.

>>724047722
>he didn't see them get BTFO in 300

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>>724032735
Uchiha Madara

>>724048255

>300
>having even a shred of historical accuracy

Immortals werent even elite troops. They were just cannon fodder. They were called immortals because the enemy would keep killing them and another one would appear and take their place - no matter how many were killed they didnt stop coming.

That being said they were not anything remotely special.

>>724032735
>read till the word professional

Already lost me. Professional at what? Pretending to know how to fight? Theres a reason Africa got dicked on for centuries. They're retarded.

Mongolians or britsh

>>724037547
Egyptians were fags, they got rekt and rapes by nubians who were also black.

>>724051772
Raped*

>>724032735
>fiercest fighters
Not really fierce wielding a toothpick is it? They were good athletes without any form of modern tactics.

>>724033665
>The Spartans were arrogant, not good. They lost one battle because they left their shields at home out of contempt, just to show off.
what? the shield was basically the one thing they needed for the phalanx... you're talking shit