We have potentially habitable planetes 40 light years away. If

sex slaves and beer

>>723387416
Cryogenic stasis pods

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>>723387661
Cryogenic technology only works on poikilothermic animals. Humans - like all mammals would just start shaking and waste precious calories till they'd eventually die of exhaustion.

>>723387416
24 generations that must not fuck up. I feel like because of the exponential expansion of technology, a new generation on earth would develop better technology and arrive before the first batch who left did.

>>723387873
>1/10th the speed of light
This is clearly a science fiction thread and should not be taken seriously.

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>>723388291
But i was trying to be serious.
Fact 1: Due to the lack of friction in space we can theoretically speed up to these kinds of speeds.
Fact 2: If it's 24 generations of 50 doesn't really matter at the point. I just tossed a number in the room so we got a raw feeling of the situation. They're completely isolated from earth - well, they do have shitty communication, but the things they know from earth or living on planets are myths at some point. There's probably a high risk of them becoming totally detached from earth and humanity which could lead to all kinds of unwanted outcomes.

>>723387416
Why would they fly to some shitty planet then fly right back again?

>>723388151
"Oh yeah, we invented teleportation about ten years after you left."

>>723388291
Nigga, we have the tech since the 70's

>>723388746
What the fuck are you even talking about retard

>>723388746
This is the time needed for ONE flight.

>>723389100
So are you just bad at division?

>>723387416
This level of technology would enable you to convert Mars and Venus into a habitable planets in less then 800 years. So just stay home and do this.

We have a hard time getting off the ground as it is. As much as I really want those planets to be habitable, we won't have the technology to get there for probably 100 years or more.

>>723389184
Maybe i am, let me check.

>>723387873
Implying you wouldn't be able to modify your genes enough to get around that by the time you have a starship capable of carrying presumably 1000+ people.

>>723387416
cryo-sleep

1 generation

>>723388637
>Fact 1: Due to the lack of friction in space we can theoretically speed up to these kinds of speeds.
Fact 1: Due to relativity each increase in speed needs an exponential increase in energy. Any sort of high output power source that lasts 800 years is far in the future.
BTW... the lack of friction and weight doesn't cancel out the mass of the vehicle. The same physics still apply to accelerating a mass to relativistic speeds.

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>>723389184
Actually no, i think i'm right.
If you were flying the whole time at 1/10 of light speed - the flight would take 400 years.
Now if you take into account that you'll have to accelerate and decellerate this halfes the average speed doubeling the average time.
Tell me if i'm wrong.

>>723388291
>What is project Orion.

>>723387416
We'll be lucky to colonize Mars before mass extinction.

If we're being optimistic, that is.

>>723387416

Its imposible, Mankind is not meant for space, no phisical way to get there with our tech, life spawn, and durability, the only way its to become synthetic to survive that much time un space

>>723389298
>This level of technology would enable you to convert Mars and Venus into a habitable planets in less then 800 years. So just stay home and do this.
Or just explore the sea bed here on Earth. 70% of our planet's surface is completely unknown.

impossible.
The first generation would go crazy. The second generation would resent being couped up on a ship, knowing they'll never see their home planet or their destination. The fourth generation probably won't even believe half the stories their great grandparents tell them about earth. It's basically just a race to see which fails first: the life support equipment or the minds of the travellers. A limited number of people isolated with limited resources for 800 years in a relatively fragile environment is a recipe for inbreeding, insanity, and suicide.

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>>723389593
I would be lying if i said i knew a whole lot about physics, maybe i assumed a little much.
Still: The problems appearing after 24 generations would even more be the case after even more generations.

>>723389758
So send sperm and eggs over there beeing monitored by an ai?

>>723387416
You send a group of vegan communists. That way it won't happen mid-flight.

>>723389758
Ummm that's like saying people can't survive on islands, there are tribes that have literally lived isolated from the rest of the world for centuries... Is not like they would lock you up in a white room alone retard, assuming this would happen they would have everything, movies, sport rooms, documentals, all human information gathered through history, and plenty of people to hang with

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>>723387416
Why. why should we do this.

It makes no sense economically, scientifically or whatever.

We also can't solve our overpopulation with this or get them to send us valuable matter of any kind

It is just too far away.

There is literally zero benefit from this in any regard.

We could not even communicate with those colonists in a timely manner to get information of whatever they may encounter.

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>>723389960
Do you really want the first extrasolar planet to be taken by humans to be a vegan communist colony?

Realistically we would send robots on this kind of mission. And maybe a small crew of human astronauts and frozen embryos if we really want to establish a human colony.

>>723389964
That doesn't mean some people won't go crazy or be weirdly deformed from being born in a zero gravity environment. How many experiments have so seen dealing with pregnancy in space? none is the right answer

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>>723390032
For the glory of humanity or something?
Don't you want to make sure humanity survives the 5th world war or epedemy?

>>723387416
that video somewhat answers that question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtgmT5CYU8

Scientists have recently cam up with a theoretically possible solution of space travel upto half the speed of light by riding on he waves created by the explosion of nuclear bombs. Also a new theory had recently been proposed by a nasal scientist regarding warp speed and how it may be possible.

>>723390215
You are implying technology would have reached 1/10 of light speed, space ships able to travel for 800 years with self energy, ability to colonize a new planet right away, but no experiment would have been done about pregnancy in space

ok

>>723390368
>nasal scientist

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>>723390215
if i'm informed correctly we have 2 major problems in space:
a) zero g is bad for humans, in order to fix this you can spin your space ship and you have artificial gravity.
b) radiation is bad for humans, this is a somewhat unfixed problem as no radiation shield will hold for that long.

>>723390403
Haven't you seen battlestar Galactica? This is serious business

>>723390403
I'm saying there are steps. No one is just gonna shove a tube of people off into deep space without knowing what the fuck is gonna happen to them. We as humans can barely get politics right little lone deep space travel.

>>723389672
Why would acceleration and deceleration take 200 years each? That's a tiny acceleration of around 0.005 m/s^2. Is this based on some specific form of propulsion?

I'm not an expert or anything by the way. To be honest I hadn't considered acceleration until you mentioned it.

>>723387416
They are already here, they've been here and have been commiting terrible acts on our species, the UN has been working with them and certain interest groups have been given large monetary gain (not only financially) through this relationship with the aliens. Now they have no way of introducing aliens and saying they've been here all along and so they are going to manufacture a fake contact and act as though everyone is meeting for the first time and then cover up all the stuff that's been done, the agreements, the exchanges, none of it ever existed.

>>723390499
And in this scenario
c) You're driving into a load of shit at 67,000,000 mph.

>>723387416
Easy
Use genetic engineering to send perfect settlers

>>723389960
Brilliant. They might convert to carnivorous capitalists.

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>>723390707
The blue plus the green parts represent the situation of going 1/10 of light speed the whole time which leads to 400 years travel time.
Assume that every blue and green pixel you summarize is equal to a certain amount of length covered.
Now if we take a constant acceleration and decelleration into the situation you'd cover half the range in the same time (only the green parts) - because the sum of the pixels that i summarize are half.
If i'd feel fany at the moment i'd write you a formula with tons of greek letters, but i assume this simple graph shows the basic idea.

>>723390698
>little lone

>>723390918
Except op mentioned decelleration...

>>723389323
What's a orion drive faggot ?

>>723391211
So your craft doesn't actually travel at 1/10 the speed of light for 99.99% of the journey?

What's the point of that?

>>723388637
>fact
>theoretically

>>723389964
>saying people can't survive on islands
Ever read Lord Of The Flies?
There's also a few VERY big differences between living on an island and living in a spacecraft:
First and foremost: isolation.
Yes, you're isolated on an island. But you're isolated on an island with a sky that goes as far as the eye can see. You're surrounded by an ocean you can swim in and explore, and it goes as far as the eye can see. In a spaceship traveling through interstellar space, you are in an enclosed environment with nothing in every direction but billions of miles of nothing in every direction.

Go outside of town tonight and find an unlit driveway next to a wide open field where you can lay on top of your car and look straight up without being able to see trees, buildings, or artificial light; only the black of night and the stars. When you remove the visual anchors you're used to seeing (the ground, the horizon, plants, etc) it's rather unsettling. Stare up long enough and you'll start to feel an actual need to look down or reach your hand up into your field of vision just to have something familiar in your field of vision. Not to mention what will happen to the first generation's mental health when the absolute reality sets in that they'll never see earth again, that no matter what happens they'll never get out of that ship alive. They are entombed.

The second generation will have it easier, never having seen earth. As you said, tribes have lived isolated for their whole lives. But a person going from New York or LA onto one of those islands to never see anyone again is a different matter than someone who's only known the island.

Secondly, and maybe more important in the long run: durability.
The island's ecosystem is not going to break down for thousands or millions of years. It has a whole planet supplying its oxygen, carbon dioxide, tidal cycles, fishing, etc, etc. Expecting any highly complex man-made system to function for eight centuries...

alright this is cancer now, I'm out

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>>723387416

Cool idea, but futurama probably thought about this way before you did.

>>723391365
The point is to have a somewhat realistic reference value and to not crash into the planet we're trying to populate.

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>>723388875

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>>723391605
I don't watch futurama - was there any kind of notable input on the problem?

The concept is retarded because during the time it takes to get to those planets we achieve technology that makes it possible to get there before

>>723391716

Accessible fuel

>>723391755
with that logic we would never do it

>>723391211
Not sure I understand I am retard but instead of blasting off at 1/10 light and then stopping its more of like one quick boost at 1/10 light but since that is so much energy it takes a long ass time to power up to it and power down from it?

>>723387416
so comms to the planet would take 40 years, 80 round trip.
you will never visit there, none of them will make it back to earth either.
why do you care about them again?

>>723391646
Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I don't see the point. You could accelerate at 9.8 m/s^2, which is the acceleration caused by the Earth's gravity, and reach 0.1 c in 35 days.

>>723391891
Really? Maybe we are being selfish and greedy. Maybe we as humans suddenly having so much technology just want to focus on more more more more. Maybe it's not responsible to pursue this just because. Maybe we need to live in 2017 and not 2200. Maybe we are getting ahead of ourselves? Maybe we should focus on fixing this planet and learning to exist together happily, maybe it's irresponsible to pursue this without having the right technology. Maybe we have to grow up a bit and realize this will be for our future humans to achieve, not us.

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>>723387416
Whatever you do, don't take niggers with you into space.

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>>723391919
The constant acceleration has 2 good reasons:
1) the people inside the ship (and the ship itself) don't get mashed by g-forces because someone decided to speed up to 1/10 of the speed of light.
2) It makes shit easy for me to calculate - realistically you could say that you would try to reach cruising speed as soon as possible and stay that way as long as possible. On the other hand you don't know if that's close to 1/10 of light speed as it's only a model.

>>723392099
Yea and maybe people hundreds of years ago should have focused on improving Europe instead of moving to the New World. Where's your sense of adventure?

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>inb4 alcubierre drive
>inb4 quantum morse
All y'all muthafukkas need science.

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>>723392070
I didn't consider that, but as stated >>723392269 the assumption was done mostly due to ease of calculation.

>>723390032

Well, its a way to handle overpopulation , send people to space with promises of a new land wich u cant garantee to get rid of them, I prefer sending people to space and see what happens than to have pointless wars, we atleast trying to learn something new, not just hunger and dead between us

>>723391891
But if we don't do it long enough, we'll eventually develop the technology to be there already without going.

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>>723392190
too late. they took over the ship!

>>723387416
Bring hella drugs into the ship. Beer, mdma, prescription pills, and weed to be exact.

>>723392269
>because someone decided to speed up to 1/10 of the speed of light *as fast as possible*

>>723392070

For that kind of acceleration we need an exotic engine or fuel in the form of propellant (and it would require copious amounts), not a low thrust but high delta-v engine like the ones proposed for interstellar flight.

>>723392099
For example, say existence is a book containing a story, specifically the story of humans in the universe. If you have two people, one who can see the book and see that it's 2000 pages, or he does experiments and gathers that the book is actually 2000 pages long, and one that can't see the whole book and how long it is, doesn't have insight into figuring out how long it is, only can see the pages. That knowledge doesn't help the first guy get through the story any faster. He still has to read every page, you can't skip to the end of the book read the last page and say you understand the story. Maybe us humans are on page 300, and we have figured out that the book is 2000pages long and we really really wanna Get to page 1200 and we dream and make movies about what page 1200 would be like, what will the situation be? How does the story go? Too bad cause we are still on page 300 and the only way to get to that is to read the next 900 pages
One
By
One.

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>>723392438
>Inb4 Orion project

>>723392272
That is such a terrible comparison for so many reasons I don't think it's even worthwhile pointing them out.

>>723392325
What is quantum entanglement

>>723387416
this is clearly not a thread about physics OP was just throwing out a random number

He wanted to discuss social problems that might come from multiple generations spending their entire lives on a space ship

or is everyone pretending to be retarded and I missed the joke?

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>>723392613

We all know that's not how it'll pan out.

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>>723392381
but they don't know how to use the controls

>>723392689
Something we don't really have a grip on yet, but by the time some rich asshole finds a way to build a liveship like the kind being described, I think we'll have enough of an understanding to at least send simple messages to and from Earth.

>>723388875
They unthaw and notice a massive, human space station orbiting the target world.

>>723388637
Even if we had the capabilities to travel that quickly, there's all sorts of small debris floating around in space. Mostly rock or ice fragments from asteroids and comets respectively. They're too small to be detected in time to avoid them, and hitting one of them at 1/10th the speed of light would obliterate the spacecraft. In fact at those speeds the craft could destroy an entire earth-sized planet rather easily. Look up "relativistic bombs" if you don't believe me.

>>723392948
>unthaw
Why would the refreeze?
How are they supposed to notice anything while frozen?

>>723389758
Nah, it would take more than 1 generation for things to go to shit. You have to assume they'd choose people who weren't horrible, so there'd be civility for a while.

>>723392969
I knew there was all kinds of shit floating arround planets and suns, but in open space?
Isn't open space supposed to be really really empty except for a few asteriods which according to all odds would miss the space craft?

>>723389733

Fuck off with that.

>>723393145
>sn't open space supposed to be really really empty except for a few asteriods which according to all odds would miss the space craft?
Wow

>>723387416
THis lends more merit that we are being simulated in our existence

We clearly will fuck up.. its guaranteed

Future /bros have simulated us to nip our fuckups in the bud which means we have a good chance at not fucking up

By leveraging outcomes in a multi verse we can essentially get to where we need to be by aggregating the results of this

Our minds have been wired to not comprehend alternative outcomes that don't have a beginning for an end

Hence why dmt will let you break down these limitations and be absorbed into the true reality

>>723392374
do you have any idea how much even one ship capable of lets say transporting 1000 people would cost?


Not to speak of the materials that get lost forever.

If you want to send of a million people that would be thousand ships and that would not even make a dent in the population problem

>>723389456
thats not how genetic manipulation works and what your talking about is a complete system rewrite of how our bodys would work

>>723389298
How exactly would "spaceships travelling really really fast" somehow bring back Mars' magnetosphere? Nothing about those two things is related to the other, and without it's magnetosphere Mars can't retain an atmosphere.

I guess if you're just talking giant biodomes or something that'd probably be doable but that's really not making Mars actually habitable.

>>723392356
I hadn't really thought of the sensation of acceleration. I wonder if there's any way to cancel it.

>>723393199
Enlighten me faggot, i asked a serious question.
Shit gets caught in the gravitational pull of planets or stars which is why there's relatively much arround them. Open space on the other hand is empty exept for occational debris which is extremely unlikely to get anywhere close. Am i wrong?

>>723388151

> the exponential expansion of technology

technology is limited by physics, fucko

>>723392438
I have no idea what sort of propulsion is available and what acceleration it can achieve tbh.

What sort of acceleration do you think is realistic (at least by the time we can build a ship that allows people to survive for multiple generations)?

There's still the collision problem, too.

>>723392969

To elaborate on this, a rock with a mass off 100g would have the kinetic energy of 1.1 Petajoules, ~55 MT of TNT

>>723393210
Further more to this, we are in the transition phase of becoming a super organism where technology will be merely a more advanced way of progressing without the hinderence of our pathetically slow brains

Consider a Von Neumann probe could self assemble, replicate and begin an organic evolution in a fraction of the time without man being present

We could colonise distant worlds and wait for he results after a few hundred thousand years. Time could be mitigated by using loop holes in gravity and dark matter

>>723392749
You're right, that is kind of retarded. I just got distracted with physics.

>>723393777

I might have fucked up a decimal somewhere along that reasoning, discard this.

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>>723387416
don't let muslims enter your ship

>>723393496
You're right, anon is retarded.

Shit, satellites flying around the earth have so much distance between them and theres hundreds, maybe thousands of them. These idiots dont realize how big space is.

I think vegan/communist would be a prerequisite honestly. At least for the trip there. There would be test tube meat I guess.

>>723389758
Agree.
Best we focus on keeping earth habitable.
Thread over.

>>723389758

population size and density are major factors. It will require the ship of size of a big village, so the chances of extinction could become smaller

>>723392969

Ignoring my previous and faulty calculation, the kinetic energy of a 100g object at 0.1C is 45 Terajoules, the bomb over hiroshima was at approx 63 TJ, Still enough to ruin your day.

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>>723393833
Jesus christ let me get some of what you're smoking

>>723387416
It doesn't matter because we ran out of fuel to maneuver and slow down.

>>723389900

Sperm and egg still require a woman.

There would be no way to rise these children in a civilized way.

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So back to the topic at hand:
How do we stop isolated humans from going crazy for such a long time?

>>723387416
You're also confusing a few things:
1 - The only thing that we have that can reach that speed is a small solar prob. It has NO method of slowing down or landing. Therefore we have nothing currently that can transport crew.

2 - The speed at which information would get back to Earth. Even in a perfect condition for radio (EM) information transfer it would take over 80 years for ONE message, ONE way. 160 years around trip to send and receive information.

3 - We don't have self sustaining equipment for a 800 year trip. We just don't have the technology. Yes, we have minor improvements for recycling waste material but no where near the level required to transport any meaningful amount of crew even through our own fucking solar system. Without some sort of forcefield / large barrier the hull will be ripped to shreds by micro meteorites and space debris.

4 - Long term gravitational effects. 800 years in space without artificial gravity will kill humans. Highly unlikely that you can even reproduce a healthy human a single time, let alone 24 generations.

"b-but we could cryo-freeze the meat-popsicles"
Doesn't work with humans. The ice crystals literally poke holes, tear open and destroy the flesh.

Just a few problems out of the countless.

>>723394435
I propose a vast and integrated virtual world / reality where social interaction is simulated just like on earth.

>>723390149

>frozen embryos

development requires a woman, as a factory, you fucking idiot

idiots, idiots everywhere

According to my calculations, a 1g piece of shit at 0.1 c would have around this much energy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgLzgdbfeJE&t=16s

>>723394435

Might be done with some hardcore psychic conditioning? I mean, they'd hardly be human in the end but still.

>>723394669
>psychic

Fuck me, not psychic. Mental.

>>723394421
About needing a woman - that's only a matter of time till we have a replacement. It's not even supposed to go in the "huehuehue we don't need women anymore" - angle, i just think that pregnancy isn't that much of a difficult process which we'll soon be able to imitate using machines.
Considering the raising and education of the first generation i'd say that could be done from humanoid ai's. Once the generation is grown up it will receive heavy education in human behaviour - worst case through videos - and we're set.

>>723394163
It gets a lot smaller when you're flying at 30,000,000 m/s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrometeoroid#Effect_on_spacecraft_operations

>>723390082
Chances are they'd be vegan communists anyway, let's be serious here. 800years they ain't gonna have food and due to the extreme nature they will all have to work together in their retarded space commune to not fucking die. Vegan communism is the only way it's gonna happen.

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>>723387416
Don't let any jews go.

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>>723392325
>reading about Alcubierre drive
>it actually uses the futurama approach of moving the universe past the ship

>mfw

>>723387416
this is so stupid for so many reasons
need at least 10k people to establish a stable genetic pool
the amount of rocket fuel this would require is stupendous, meaning no drive currently exists that would make this possible
the planets your talking about are just the right size and in the right location, we know next to nothing else about them
800 years is a really fucking long time and we will probably have a better drive that could get us their in 400 in 100 years, 200 in 200, ect
have no way of knowing if the flight path is clear of if the ship will crash into a 1^2 foot piece of rock and explode
1/10 light speed is really fucking fast
your distance calculation doesn't take into account the position in the galaxy, gravitational effects, planetary movement, ect

>>723394561
I thought the same - most biologically based problems with isolation could probably be fixed with some sort of virtual reality you'd be exposed to at all times.

>>723394629
Meant to quote
>>723393777

>>723394747
>thats only a matter of time
We're not even close to having anything remotely close to replacing a host body to support a human embryo, and if we were that advanced Humans would have already advanced beyond the need to repopulate in this manner.

>>723394669
Also a good possibility, might need some way to prevent them from turning into space spartans which invade earth 2000 years later though.

>>723394910
You don't need 10k people to establish a stable genetic pool. Assuming your 10k figure is correct, you only need 10k people's gametes. Or just 10k people's DNA.

>>723394818
I stand corrected. Thanks anon.

I'm pretty sure we'll find a way to warp space sooner than 800 years

>>723392325
Seeing as you brought alcubiere drive, shit hasn't been disproven yet anon, just means we'd all be incinerated when it got turned on.

>>723387416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCNhmbse3Sc

>>723394336
Just life my good man

And weed, lots of weed

I recommend taking acid twice a year to ensure adequate expansion or creativity

Also, even if you started with like 10 people, there would be tens of thousands of people on the ship in 800 years, unless you implemented a one child policy. (And they didn't all die before then)

>>723387416
meet them half way

>>723394935
It'd be like Black Mirror in space though. Shit would probably still get super weird.

>>723395213
Even if that were the case - the crew that ended up on the other side would have some serious genetic damage.... not even accounting for the large amounts of radiation the crew would have been nuked with.

>>723395205
Acid is like "baby's first hallucinogenic experience." Smoke some DMT and get back to me.

>>723394561
What if we're really travelling to some shitty planet right now?

>>723394537
Master aging, master all

>>723394537
For information, we can use laser technology or physical intrication

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>>723395370
You're blowing my fucking mind anon stoooop

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>>723391891
>>723391716
>not thinking about teleportation

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>>723394910
These are some very valid points, but i never claimed to be all knowing and i just threw in a very very simplified calculation to give a rough idea of the situation. I also don't care that much about the physical intricacies rather than the social implications.

>>723395356
You, my friend, are hardcore and very cool. I would suck your penis any time, and I'm not even gay.

>>723393714
I'd calculate with somewhere around 1G acceleration (i.e. 10 meters per second per second). Not sure if it's realistic with today's tech. Accelerating to 0.1C using a 1G-capable propulsion (probably some application of Hall thrusters or ion engines, and maybe EmDrive if it proves to actually work) would take about 833 hours, that is a few weeks, not taking relativity effects into account. Mass only increases by a factor of 1.005 at 0.1C, so the relativistic effects are negligible.

>>723394908
>it actually uses the futurama approach
Other way around.
Futurama uses the Alcubierre approach.

>>723395272
>Meet them half way
I'd like to explain why OP is still full of shit. You would need the same amount of energy to slow down and distance in relational to the acceleration. Meaning - if it takes 800 years at top speed, it would take 1600 years to actually get there. Assuming we have anything that could actually get there with a meaningful crew size .

>>723395356
It's not a competition M8 it's literally the most intimate thing. Jesus even taking psychedelic drugs and expanding your perspectives has to be a competition.

>>723394209

>vegan/communist

all of them, please

>>723393396
Cos science bitch, if I can travel 40lyrs through space in 800years then I can give a whole planet its magnetosphere back.

>>723394910
Actually if i can choose the exact people and given 4 children per woman for 1 generation, we can be viable with *drumroll* 32 people.

Source: I am a geneticist and this was my doctoral thesis.

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>>723395275
Care to explain?

>>723393917
Its trips fucker cannot discard

>>723395586
Hippies take psychedelics to "expand your horizon," I take them to trip balls. I take them because I am a control freak in my normal life and it's nice to smoke some DMT and let all my illusions of control melt away for a while.

>>723395540

As of now we have the very basic principles of:

Solid/Liquid volatile fuel: Low d-v, high acceleration, cumbersome and volatile.

Emdrive/ion-engine: Amazing d-v, virtually no requirement of fuel in comparison, but the acceleration is like the force of a falling sheet of paper.

>>723395652
Except you are full of shit. Even on Earth under ideal conditions when species get down to the 100's the generic pool becomes so weak that they usually die off. Fuck off with your middle school biology.

>>723395466
One day we'll wake up at our destination and discover none of our stuff exists and we now live on some crappy wasteland we have to terraform and colonise for 16 hours a day. And this is all explained by an annoying robot with shields so you can't even destroy it.

>>723395652
yeah I'm reading up to back up my claim, 10k is probably high but we've no way of knowing what would happen down the line with only 32 people. Granted if we could genetically engineer these people so that they each contain different variants of the same genes, 2 per person, then 32 might just be viable.

>>723395803
Yes because your ph.ds ... heh

>>723395540
That's exactly the acceleration I originally mentioned.

>>723395552
Not necessarily. A spacecraft could be slowed by passing perpendicularly through a gravity well. Its trajectory would be altered, but gravitational forces would pull it against its path of travel.

>>723395803

In those cases you didnt get to choose the genetics of the group. It makes a rather large difference.

>>723395676
Imagine 500 people permanently jacked into facebook for 10 years. Do you think they'll be normal after that? No fucking way.

Does it have a star gate?

>>723395774
Ion engines actually already propel our space probes. Dawn spacecraft is capable of 10kms delta-V. It scales badly though.

>>723396069
underrated post.

>>723395552
It takes 400 years at top speed, not 800.

>>723387416
I'm assuming that vegetables would be the only viable means to produce food so they are guaranteed to become vegans. Since its a spacecraft with limited space everything would have to be carefully controlled and doled out to people according to their needs so they will also become communists.
Basically its impossible OP, the situation you describe has them living this lifestyle out of necessity so after 24 generations they wont know any other way. Sounds fucking tight if you ask me though, maybe each room should come with a little red book so when they land they can establish utopia.

>>723394818

speed is relativistic, faggot. As long there is no mass in a proximity of the ship there will be no effect at all. gravitational force depends only on the distance.

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>>723396067
I don't expect them to be 'normal'. I expect them to be functional and not to listen to that one cunt that keeps brabbeling about having talked to god who commanded him to blow up life support.

>>723396293
How does that relate to what I posted?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6BQSgidbmc

To colonize distances that far away without teleportation and friends, we will probably have to no longer be human.
Achieve immortality somehow, fix the body and psychology to adapt to the ship, and release frozen embryos in artificial wombs on the other side.

>>723396284
"vegan communist" was more of a figurative speech for "will open the airlock for [insert really fucking retarded reason]"

>>723395940

>a gravity well.

gravity wut?

>>723387416
watch Ascension on Syfy.

>>723395898
No, because it's actually been researched and talked about - a lot. You can literally google genetic weakness of engendered species.

>"b-but, my fake degree"
Fuck off, faggot.


>>723396036
Maybe - assuming a lot of things. Assuming in perfect conditions without: any injuries resulting in infertility, pre-mature death, genetic damage to due to the high radiation bombardment, mental illness.. etc.

>>723396657
Its ok anon, I believe there is a trap thread you could visit if this is a bit to difficult for you to comprehend

>>723395940
Not at 1/10 the speed of light, friendo.

>>723396498
First this
>>723391262
Now "figurative speech"?

OP pls.

>>723395370
>what if when people die, it's just their internet connection failing?

>>723395940
>>723396940
And, not without stopping quick enough not to smash the crew or tear the craft apart.

>>723396940
Yes, even at 1/10 the speed of light, friendo. You would be going fast, but the planet's (or star's) orbital momentum is incomparably massive. Even at full fucking one C. See gravitational lensing my friend.

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>>723396944
?

>>723396424
It doesn't, and he's a faggot for not understanding what happens when an object accelerates or decelerates even in a vacuum.

Book of the Long Sun // Book of the Short Sun, by Gene Wolfe, is about a generational spaceship, "the starcrosser 'Whorl', one of many" sent by an autocratic ruler on old Earth to colonize a pair of planets orbiting a binary star system.

There's numerous well-militarily-armed, geographically isolated city-states that retain the cultures of old earth - the Man of Han, referencing Han dynasty China, south american latinos, average american white folks, etc. All memories of Earth were wiped, almost all references to locations or events on Earth were edited to remove locational context, and the Autarch and his family installed themselves as AI gods living within the unknowable machine within the shiprock (concrete) of the Whorl (world-ship). Currency is 'cards' and 'bits,' literal silicon printed circuit boards, but nobody understands it's anything but money - so they hoard and preserve these critical components for the programmed 'departure,' when every resource will be needed and stripped from the ship to colonize the two planets, Blue and Green.

The women passengers will be implanted with frozen embryos of humans, and of most extant animal species deemed useful for colonization purposes, including fowl, cattle, everything to jumpstart a stable civilization and possibly an ecosystem if so required, since there's only vague chemical analysis to tell what's there.

Read moar

>>723394613

A artificial womb is not so far out there compared to the rest of the tech needed for the journey.

Easy. Dont send humans. Send robots.

>>723396805
Google-fu the genetic history of the kakapo (its a bird). It is a great example of what a convenient genetic find can do.

>>723387416
Implying that by that point we wouldn't already have a communistic system, capitalist boot-licker.

>>723396853

yeah, at least in a trap thread there are some non-imaginary wells they actually use

>>723387873
Thats why we send the reptiloids.

>>723387416
the things that makes a stable society is happiness.
to achieve this i think the people on the space ship needs to have very good living conditions.
they need comfort and a sense of belonging.
positive mental stimulation.
and to not be burdened with tasks that are degrading and pointless so automation would be
an optimal solution.
to see how that could be achieved i suggest making experiments in enclosed systems that mimic possible designs of the spaceship.
the design needs to be reviewed and perfected.
people also needs to be informed and well aware of the workings of the world so that they can act in an appropriate way because even smart intelligent people can be misguided.

>>723390639
underrated

>>723393580
physics is just the last limit we've encountered kill yourself

>>723397013
It's a tradeoff between deceleration and time needed to actually decelerate. You could do it safely even for much higher velocities, it would just take a very long time and many approaches/flybys.

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>7 planets
Bro. We have habitable planets within 4 LY from here. Another set are within 29 LY from here.overall 3700 Exoplanets have been discovered on a very tiny literal pixel of scanned space.

Its just these 7 can be scanned for earth like gases in the atmosphere unlike the others due to new techniques. Plus 3 of the 7 are in the carbon based lifeform habitable zone. With 2 being in the perfect location.

In terms of length of time with our fastest publically known vessel(very likely there are black project propulsion craft already in operation) it would take around 200,000 years to get there. We will have to rely on any of our galactic neighbours contacting and finding us first. Maybe the Gliese message set to arrive in that system in Spring 2029 will be understood and any potential intelligent civilisation(s) might come to look at Earth. Pic related.


>inb4 methane and Co2 in huge numbers indicating life and industry of some form.
>inb4 blind alien species that sees through the energy of the cosmos.
>yfw Star Wars is real and George Lucas mistakenly tapped into galactic history with his buddhist meditations and LSD experiments in the early 70's.

>>723387416
We develop the materials necessary for an Alcubierre drive to function properly, and go full on warp speed there.

>>723387416
also we would need to build a ship that can last 800 years, the only shit we build that lasts that long is piles of rocks (pyramids)

>>723387416
Ok how about this:
We send machines there like robots, and frozen sperm and egg cells. Once there, the robots will breed humans from that and teach them.

>>723397266
https://www.geneticrescue.science/projects/genome-sequencing/kakapo

Has proved absolutely nothing as of yet, and doesn't help your argument.

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>>723392378
fuckin hell

>>723397560
So the 800 year trip becomes thousands / tens of thousands of Earth years.

Wew-lad.

>>723397459
>and to not be burdened with tasks that are degrading and pointless so automation would be an optimal solution.
I can't quiet believe that doing trivial tasks necessarily makes unhappy. It's more about how everyone else arround you perceives your work and how much you care about everyone elses approval. If you make everyone believe that the plumber has an extremely important job because super dangerous bacteria everyone in that closed society will start believing it.
The other points are quiet valid.

>>723389900
Retarded me just posted this too before reading that far

>>723387416
all i say is EMdrive or Alcubierre warp drive, we there in 15 min and back for America got Talent at evening bro.

>>723397768
Yeah. But it's not as impossible as you said.

>>723398068
Not even sure what would happen if using a warp-drive. With everything being relative, the warp may feel like 15 minutes you, and the crew but could be 100's if not 1000's of years later on Earth. Time - Over space divided by Space Balls.

Before 800 years we would be able to get there faster.

>>723398230
who cares how long passes on earth, its a one wa y trip, you out there to colonize not check for bitches and be back at night to hang out with your buddies

>>723397696
Yes that one out of date summary piece that has nothing to do with what you should have been able to put together from even a wikipedia level article had you put in effort into it certainly didn't help your understanding.

>>723397776
to some repetitive tasks are very bad i would argue that if things can be automated then it will remove a potential source of irritation and discomfort.

>>723389733
and then what? Sit at the bottom of the sea?

>>723398197
Re-read my post. Nowhere in it is the word "impossible", I just stated that we don't have the technology required to make the trip as stated in my previous posts.

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>>723397768
>1 year from target
>Earth has expanded onto every planet and moon in the Sol system and to the very edge of the border between deep space and our home system
>Everyone is hoping for the best
>Suddenly the ship loses contact.
>It hits a small particle of dust and due to ancient 800 year old technology has no shielding strong enough
>mfw

>>723387416
The thing with Colony ships is you dont just send one. Also with the way that techonological advances works is that if you say, launched one right now that travels 1/10th the speed of light, in 100 years we could end up just launching another that'll do the journey in half that time.

There are also too many limitations on human wellbeing in space at the moment too. We only just managed to get a spacesuit design last week that can handle poo.

The whole idea is exciting, it just sucks that we live in the generation where we'll never get to see any of it. I guess thats why we have space 4x games like Aurora4x, Stars! and Distant Worlds I guess.

>>723387416
Have an all female crew. They get picked and inseminated by a computer that controls the sperm bank. Ensures only females are born. You can keep a small crew running. When landfall is approaching computer will then start breeding a male workforce.

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>>723398230
>it's the year 12000 after the liberation
>suddenly a ship pops up right in front of earth
>it's these prehistoric monkeys who thought it were a good idea to use the warp drive
>everyone laughts at their pale skin until they notice that none of them has their cucc masters with them
>they stop laughing and call the world presidentette because they're confused
>you and most cities on the side of the globe that happened to be on get nuked because you triggered half of mohammedistan

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>>723387416
I just came here to say that the colony ships, and the technology behind their power generation and drive mechanics won't be public knowledge because it can't be. It will be secret and you will never know the difference. And every attempt in the public domain will be riddled with terrorism and controversy.

The only way this can happen is with the best working for the best and in secret. This isn't some game and it's not some easy feat, either.

>>723395716
Wow, so you mean you take them to change your perspective and experience something different than the control freak perspective you can't seem to escape in everyday life? That's exactly what I said, expanding your perspectives.

>>723397212
Did you just cite a work of fiction as fact and then tell everyone to "read more"?

>>723389960
Dude, this is how you get space wars with space communists.

>>723387416
Nothing like this will happen for millennia if at all unless humans have some kind of dramatic change. and I mean some really profound change in the overall level of control on the planet.

Currently, there are too many ferals, subhumans, and outright militant terrorists that would cause too many problems. It will take a new breed of man, so remember to selectively breed before the coming population bottleneck that will strip the garbage and fat from mankind's genetic line.

>>723388875
This is actually one of the most significant problems with intersolar system travel. The way our technology advances we will absolutely have ships several generations more modern passing the first travelers on their way to the destination. Especially if we do something fucking retarded like undertake a mission when the timescale is still measured in generations.

>>723387416
The answer is obvious, isn't it? There's no warp drive fantasy bullshit Deus Ex. What it will take is a human race that's put aside and left behind its feral nature. A completely self-controlled, stable, strong, and emotionally sound and independent people.

This will never happen with common stock humans from anywhere on the planet.

>>723391556
...ok, this is an ethical nightmare, but... maybe we should test this.

If we had a vault with a few thousand "volunteers" that we made sure it kept running, and waited a few decades, we might gain important insight as to how people behave in those circumstances.

>>723400532
It's a great problem to have. It's honestly probably the only reason the entire universe isn't already destroyed by some destructive primate spreading like a cancer.

>>723388875
>finally arrive
>planet is colonized
>your understanding of technology and society is woefully out of date
>they don't want you
>to them you're a bunch of space yokels, lost in time and attempting to move into their nations
>they have been established here for centuries
>war begins
>it is brief

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>>723400532
"So let's not try at all..."
>>723400536
Don't you think propaganda or straight out brainwashing could fix these humans? Maybe have an ai that controls everything?

>>723400750
thats starcraft,but it ended poorly,didnt it?

>>723400862
One day, but I'm not gonna be lining up for a gen1 spaceship. That would be fucking retarded.

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>>723400959
guess you could call me retarded because i would

>>723400862
Oh, I'm not saying it can't happen. It can and probably will happen, but it won't be with average Joe, or Tyrone or whatever down the block. It will take the elite of the elite and they will hopefully do it in spite of everyone else.

And naturally most of the ship would require advanced automation handled by the best electronic and mechanical controls available for something like a generation ship.

Humans can be bred just like dogs or cats or cattle into something better suited. Today humans breed like wild animals. Talking about colonizing space is some real shit and will take the next version of man to accomplish.

>>723400959
There are literally tens of millions that would give up everything for the chance if it was real, but the irony is that almost every one is not only unnecessary but unusable.

I'm of the impression that the only thing holding us back right now, is each other.

>>723401027
You must really hate your life here to think this a potential improvement.

>>723401387
Of course i do, on the other hand: Space is something magical to me, i can't even properly articulate it, but if i had the possibility to help humanity get onto other planets i'd do it.

>>723401387
I don't think you get it, dude. If it was a public international effort, the colonists and especially the crew would be superstars on a scale you probably can't imagine. It would be a historic event that rivals every historic event in history. Most people would gladly jump at the merest chance.

>>723401585
I think it's magical cause you've never been. But you are not born, bred, or designed for space. You are the product of the evolution of life that has always been sucking the tit of earth. I think once you were truly gone from earth it wouldn't feel so magical anymore.

>>723401914
Maybe you're right - not like i'll ever find out.

>>723387416
Imagine how fucking slow the internet would be once you get even a few hundred thousand kilometers away. Forget about skype and youtube. Hope you saved those animes to a portable hard drive.

You could still send emails until you were light years away, but it would take literally years to send and receive

>>723389694
good question

>>723402109
Well i'd think communication would drastically change, but a constant stream of data would be sent from earth so the crew is up to date with the newest porn and stuff. Not like it matters if it reaches the destination years later.

>>723402272
Yes, of course. It's no question there would be constant chatter, but it would very quickly stop being real time, and turn into the snailest snail mail, even at light speed.

>arrive on planet
>everyone has turned into communist during the trip
>only captain reamined a right wing conservative
>on arrival they lynch the captain cuz of facist pig
>they're stranded on that planet since none of them knows how to fly the ship back to earth

>>723402020
I would love the ability to access space and go there and come back. I understand what you mean, weightlessness, what will I smell? Just the experience and it's really fucking mind blowing. But permanent forever your genes and biological line forever removed from the earth. That's pretty heavy to really accept as reality. It's almost like space is a Venus fly trap once you are far into the abyss you start to wonder if it was worth it. Maybe you even just go crazy who knows. It would take a pretty strong mind, or I guess send babies who will grow on the journey and never remember earth. But they are still a product of earth so there might still be an instinctual attachement. Imagine growing up on a ship pissed at everyone for stripping you of your right to experience earth, sending you on a one way journey you were just bred into existence for?

>>723402272
>>723402109
Just half way through the journey, it would be taking 20 years to send or receive a message and another 20 to get a reply back.

Meanwhile, hundreds of years on earth, and the revolutions, atomic bombs, the nextgen superbombs are all doing their thing back home.

I would expect the colonists would become very introverted and stop giving a shit about Earth within exactly two generations. Within 5 or 7, they would probably even stop replying to queries and decide they are an independent nation.

>>723402487
Oh, there's no flying back on a trip like that.

>>723402635
What exactly does this achieve? Sending humans to another place where we can't even communicate with them and it takes such enormous effort? Just cause? What will it provide?

>>723402839
What I mean is, what does humanity spreading to more planets separated by such vast distances help? We can't communicate we can't travel back and forth what does it do? Why do we need more than one planet? And for those that say overpopulation how is this monumental challenge easier than just controlling our breeding and working on making earth and this solar system a paradise for everyone.

>>723402839
It will provide an escape from a world riddled with cancer, for the few, the powerful, and the elite. That's what it will provide. That kind of thing isn't for the human species as a whole. It's for the genetic line adept enough to overcome the struggle and take over the galaxy.

It's no different from the first people who left Africa. We conquered the world while the people in Africa remained savage and tribal. This is for the elite. Rest assured.

They'll be like space elves, and the people left on Earth will probably think they're extraterrestrials or Gods or some shit. Might have already happened, actually.

>>723402839
I don't think space is for everyone. But an entire habitable planet's resources to a single group of families? That's a powerful, powerful incentive for a family powerful enough to accomplish those goals and overcome the obstacles to get there.

>>723403040
That doesn't make sense to me. Earth is home, the powerful and elite could live in isolation and conquer it. It's not just home like a dwelling, it's air you breathe its sunlight it's everything. It's your genetic home. Why leave forever to a mission unknown that takes generations makes no sense. It's just not practical to me we're talking resources and energy expenditure greater than mankind, just for a shot in the dark to get away from poor people?

>>723403251
Why? What do you mean by "resources" the powerful and elite can have anything they ever want here. I'm not sure I don't see how being alone on a planet in the middle of nowhere is power. Who do you rule over? There's nobody there? From where comes your power?

>>723403402
Well, that's just it, it couldn't be a shot in the dark.

It wouldn't happen in earnest until it was a good investment to make. So far there's not enough information. It's all just dreams and speculation. They could be gigantic oceans of sulfuric acid or a hellish place with methane air or some shit for all we know now.

But you asked what it will achieve, what the appeal is, and that's it. It's another Earth. Another home, but tailored as you see fit. built from the ground up on the ideals you live for and love.

Don't get me wrong, it would be easier to colonize the ocean floor, but we're talking about end of days shit, where man has left an unrecoverable shithole, then it suddenly becomes a lot more pressing to find another home.

It's a problem we dream about because it's inevitable, even with careful husbanding of resources which isn't happening.

>>723403546
The resources on Earth won't last forever, and the political spectrum may well alienate the most powerful from their subjects, and technology may advance to where this trip isn't a pipe dream.

Being able to channel an entire planet or group of planet's resources into whatever you want is a lot of power that nobody on Earth has.

By the way, the kicker is that we have planets closer than these 7 exoplanets. There's rocky planets around almost every star. they're just so small we have only started to notice them. Once it starts, that family line will be the lords of all human life.

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>>723387416
why not just wait 300 years for technology to advance? we won't be able to exceed light speed but i'm betting that worm hole technology will be discovered.

>>723403402
Well, it's only the start, dude. You don't think being the ruler or overseer or whatever of an entire galaxy of planets populated by your families and offspring has any appeal?

>>723404121
Well, I guess the idea is you can fuck bitches and smoke kush while building a space empire, too.

>>723404128
No that doesn't appeal to me. I don't get it do the rich fly to the new planet with hundreds of slaves? When they land whose gonna mine everything and start to build it all? What if you want to watch a movie whose gonna make the movie? Whose gonna build your house? Whose gonna refine minerals into buildable materials? Lay sewage for your hot water? It's not gonna be instantaneous it would take generations and you would be dead you wouldn't get to see any of it.

>>723404516
With the money and power and technology that requires I think it would be way easier and more feasible to kill everyone you don't like on earth and rule the planet.

>>723388637
>Fact 1: Due to the lack of friction in space we can theoretically speed up to these kinds of speeds.

Taking your point at face value, there's still an issue.
How do you slow down.

If it takes, say... 4 weeks to get to 1/10th lightspeed, would you have to retrograde burn 4 weeks in advance? what if you miss it by a day and your orbit is dooped? What if you miscalculated and just slammed right into the planet?
Do we just slap boosters to the front of our ships from now on? What do?

>>723404888
How can you ask these questions when the initial premise that you are attacking was itself just a fabricated dream. There is absolutely zero way of even having a discussion about this it's just a shot in the dark talking about nonsense.

>>723389593
using big smart people words talking about physics
>says weight

>be me
>I am eagerly awaiting our landing upon our new home world.
>our people have lived on the ship for 800 years.
>there are stories of our old home world earth.
> pray to our Lord and Savior Donald Trump that the world we land on will be excepting of us.
>finally happening, we are finally landing,
>door opens.
>shiiieeeeeeeeeeet yous finally made it nyucka.
>remember watching ancient aliens in our digital history Library.
>he warned us that aliens gave niggers of the past space flight.
>why Donald

>>723405399
I especially like it when my poo just pours out in little chunks. You know that feeling? When you just sit and it's so easy and it just comes out plop plop plop maybe like one big log at the beginning followed by a couple smaller ones, that combo usually feels the best for me. Do you have to use your hand to press your dick down as you piss while shitting? I do I hate when my dick tip touches the inside of the bowl.