>be atheist >wish i believed in something higher >think

Religion is basically why the world sucks.

Maybe you can find a more meaningful way to satisfy yourself, like purpose. Like, who knows, maybe you could help other people in some way. IDK, maybe you don't need to escape reality into some strange cult, even if that seems to be what people do.

>>723367019
I like this sudden surge of Jimmy Corkhill posting.

Watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oe6HUgrRlQ&t=900s

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>>723367354
This

dude this is me

>>723367131
I used to think that, but organized religion I think has been a great driving factor on human progress. I admire a lot of the morality in modern christianity.

>>723367019

Hey, atleast you're being honest about Christian principles. Seems like most self-proclaimed "atheists" have rabid hatred for religion and aren't willing to admit there is anything positive that comes out of it.

My advice, don't stress over the choices other people make. You also don't need to believe in the deity to live by the book. There are some good life lessons in there.

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>>723367354
>>723367581

Watching Brookie is what started my incest fetish

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>>723367835
Chiddlers, neyarrrr.

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>>723367791

I think when people kick back against Christian morality just because it's Christian, you get horrible narcissistic people.

I try and treat everyone as I'd like them to treat me. I think if EVERYONE followed that one rule, the world would be a much better place

>>723367131
that would be true if the world where full of all reasonable sane people.

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Moar jimmy

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>mfw he was behind me in the corner shop not too long ago

>i was the only one that recognised him

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>>723368808
Really?? How's ar Jimmeh looking these days?? What did he buy?

>>723368004

I think a big problem right now is most people who advocate for the appropriation of unethical or dishonest agendas believe that they are living by that same golden rule and because they don't have a solid sense of morality, they're quick to discredit those in opposition by any means necessary for the common "good". Slander and physical violence seem like they are becoming more and more prevalent as a means to shut down debate on agendas that have glaring issues from an ethical standpoint. So you're right.. If more people had a basic understanding of Judeo Christian ideology and were willing ti admit that it provides a good concept of morality, we would be a lot better off. Unfortunately people are gonna do what they want to do.

>>723367131
Inatead of religion beliece in yourself.

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>>723369942
Well put

Rene Guenon said in an interview that you cannot get everyone with metaphysics, but with religion you can save the last man. Abstract moral philosophy is not the right stuff for a lot of people.

People will always believe in something. God, Zeus, the Fuhrer, the victory of the proletariate, Human Rights, reincarnation, the healing potential of crystals or...

... truth. There seem to be a lot of atheist preachers out there who concern themselves deeply with the progagation of the idea of the non-existence of God (or gods).
Wouldn't it be more in their self-interest to look what a certain religious environment can give them?
I know one old guy who worked a lot abroad. He's an agnostic, but told that, in a way, when he was in a christian country, he was a christan, when in a buddhist one, a buddhist, and so on. Because he was more interested in being part of the community than in abstract discussions about the existence of otherworldy matters. Methinks that for an atheist, this approach makes more sense.

>>723367019
Not really I just wish humanists were as organized as religions are

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>>723367019
I can relate, OP
>born/grew up in Texas
>raised in non-denominational environment
>went to a second baptist church
>became a convinced atheist when I was 16
>22 now, still atheist, and meet up with older family for the christmas/easter service just because.

my grandma bought me a bible with silver-lining paper and my name embroidered on the front cover.

she's 81 now and a few months ago she bought me this huge, almost phonebook sized bible with gold lining and larger font. it's more of a decorative piece but I still cherish it.

I'm coming from an obvious bias but I truly believe Christianity, at least the way it's generally practiced today, is far more acceptable than something more ideological like Islam.

I live in a small(ish) town, probably 98% Christian. Church on every street. Some churches have influence in local events and businesses.

Being openly atheist has never prevented me from enjoying life. Never had a problem at home, school, or work.
I couldn't say the same I had been born in a predominantly Muslim country, but that's sort of derailing the topic.

>>723370514

There's nothing wrong with believing in yourself, however, believing only in yourself can lead to moral disaster. It's important to understand that our decisions can impact others significantly. Someone who's sole pursuit is life is self gratification might be more inclined to vote money that they didn't earn out of someone else's pocket who did earn it and into their own. A person with a concept of morality rooted in Judeo Christian ideology is more likely to recognize that as theft.

>>723367019
Yeah, especially Christians.

>>723367743
>organized religion I think has been a great driving factor on human progress

Hahahahaha, oh boy, yes the dark ages were such an improvement from the barbaric romans, with their blasphemous logic and reason, thank god for organized religion to finally save mankind from that. Religion is responsible for lots of things, but human progress is NOT one of them. Perhaps take an extra history class.

>>723367019
>I can't be the only atheist who thinks like this?

I fucking hope so. There is nothing positive about willfully denying children knowledge and truth.

>but we donate to the poor

Guess what, so do millions of atheists. You don't need a closeted homosexual pedophile to 'do good' in the world. All religion is cancer by definition, and religious people would be better off without it 100% of the time.

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>>723371526
Because ancient Rome was entirely secular.

>>723371726
Because that was the argument I was making... ffs, why are relishills so dense?

>>723371273
But to be fair Christianity is a huge spectrum. I grew up in a protestant family and I was never into the religion myself but their whole thing was encouraging others to participate in the religion and community with no need to be a christian.

I was shocked when as an adult I went to a friends wedding who was Catholic and several times during the ceremony the guy performing the ceremony had to remind non-Catholics to not participate in certain segments.

Also Mormons are also super interested in participation but you have to show that you want to join.

>>723367019
brookside was pretty grim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X1y84IZ6zo

>>723367019
What the fuck are you saying? the world would be a better place if everyone behave to each other like they want to be treated, religion is just a way to earn money from pepole, just be a better person and that's it

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>>723371933
Goddamn shooting stars is funny

>>723371799
Not him but it really is. You implied that religion was not responsible for human progress but the worlds longest lasting empire which is responsible for arguably the second largest push forward for human advancement was very religious.

>>723371726
It is easy to be a stable and productive religious society when you can choose your god from a large pantheon.

>>723371935
thats the Catholics, Presbyterians dont do that.

>>723371849
well like I said I'm coming from a biased perspective.

yes, catholicism is alien to me, even when I was a christian.
my dad once dated a catholic lady and as a kid I went to her church a couple of times.
I felt like I was in an RPG doing a ritual or some shit. but that had been the only time I've felt uncomfortable in a christian environment.

>>723371721
You know speaking in absolutes makes you sound like your convincing yourself of your own opinion. fyi

>>723372230
>It is easy to be a stable and productive religious society when you can choose your god from a large pantheon.

Yeah I can see that. People are always going to be very different. So if you have various gods that appeal to most personality types, you can keep most of the bases covered

>>723372230
>implied that religion was not responsible for human progress
I didn't imply it, I flat out said it. Human progress is the very last thing organized religion is responsible for. Now, about the romans, are you seriously arguing that it was their religion that drove their advancements in science and philosophy? Because that would be laughable.

>>723372486
You know getting basic things like your and you're wrong makes you sound like a dumbass. fyi.

>>723371721
most christians believe the timescales are off. a day to god could mean 1 million years for man. evolution is already knocked off its foundation if you didnt know. they found out its totally wrong. seems like you are denying yourself infromation more than the christians are.

>>723372652
I am a dumbass but that doesn't change that yiur just mad friend :)

>>723372692
>they found out its totally wrong
Hahaha, wow great hypothesis mate, very scientific, you sure showed me!

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>>723372692
>evolution is already knocked off its foundation if you didnt know. they found out its totally wrong

>>723372863
ya bud. they just found out its wasn't linear whatsoever better update your database.

>>723372860
>mad
Ugh, inb4 'ur mom' jokes, I bet your highschool buddies think you're really clever.

>>723372947
Not sure if bad bait or actually retarded.

>>723372895
>>723372863
https://www.sott.net/article/281093-The-truth-about-giant-skeletons-in-American-Indian-mounds-and-the-Smithsonian-cover-up

>>723367019
atheist cuck confirmed

>>723373011
I just think you're kind of a presumptuous dick. Science is about learning of the world around us and understanding it. If you go in with your ego you'll come out empty handed. You have to be humble and accepting that you could be wrong, or else you're just being an elitist. I'm apologetic in that I was just messing around with you, I just think you need to be more open minded.

>>723372947
This has to be a troll, right guys?
Then again my anatomy prof said like 15% of the population have problem following basic written manuals.

>>723373177
>I performed two statistical analyses

Bwahahahahahahaa, thanks mate, that was a great laugh, it's been a while since I've seen such drivel.

>I suspect that the skeptics are not seeking the truth

Wew, really made me think, the entire theory of evolution BTFO by this one article...

Don't forget to take your meds tonight kiddo.

>>723373615
check it out man.

http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/giantcoverup.asp

>>723367019
>all world is christian
>noone to oppose them
>monarchy 2.0
>life is shit except for the select few that have positions in the church and their kin
>scientific progress is only allowed if it benefits the church and doesn't go against canon
Sounds good to me.

>>723373603
Check out 'the atheist experience' live call in show on youtube, you have no idea the craziness people call in with.
I have little doubt 'giant-skeleton' anon thinks he has a golden bullet to unravel evolution in his own mind.

>>723373519
>you're kind of a presumptuous dick
>you need to be more open minded
How's that hypocrisy working for ya bud?

Also, please stop it with the nauseating 'open mindedness' nonsense. There is nothing open minded about taking religion and their silly fairytales seriously. That is ignorance and foolishness, nothing else.

>>723373755
kek'd

>>723373891
This.

There are people who unironically think that 'if evolution is real, how come there are still monkeys?' is a rational thought. There are people in 2017 who think the earth is flat ffs.

>>723367019
>>think the world would be a better place if it was more christian
>I can't be the only atheist who thinks like this?

Yes. This world would be a better place without religion. Religion =/= morals. You can be a person with morals and not need to pretend some great invisible guy in the sky won't keep your dog from dying.

>>723374322
>You can be a person with morals and not need to pretend some great invisible guy in the sky won't keep your dog from dying.
Rev up that propaganda machine, boys.
Here comes some fresh fascist liberal ideology right to your eyes!

Who scouse here ?

>>723373891
I too have my doubts about evolution but the're minor. Certainly not enough to disprove it. Maybe doubts is not right. I have a problem with it's attempt to explain everything that happened to life and will happen. Still it is the best we have for this moment and basic evolution is pretty much proven in stone.


Bout the skeleton thing I have no doubt there are some retarded people out there. Still I hold 4chan users to a higher criterium, dunno why...

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Aztec drawings of living tree-ceratops and others. the ica stones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones

>>723374469
triceratops*

>>723374469
I guess this means evolution is false. I see now.

>>723374257
Love the call in show:

caller: Moon landing was a hoax
show: What about the mars rover?
Caller: Wow, you actually believe that!?
show: I was part of the team that designed and launched it, so... yeh

Caller: The bible is right the earth is flat
show: are you calling on a mobile phone
caller: Yes?
show: You realize you're right now, using satellite technology?
caller: .....

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One day humanity could be blessed by his presence.

>>723374610
it means how the hell could the Aztecs could have known what a dinosaur looks like?

>>723374711
Cus maybe there was an alive one in their time??? Evolution doesn't say all dinosaurs dies out to give space to mammals. Just like it doesn't say all moneys dies out ti give place to humans.

>>723374711
Could it be that they also dug up skeletons and drew their conclusions? Wait no, wtf am I saying, the entire scientific community has pulled a big hoax and faked thousands of pieces of evidence and peer reviewed studies, that's much more likely!

>>723374467
Evolution is change over time. That's it.

Through the fossil record,dna testing and other we can construct a timeline of the changes over time.

Most people confuse evolution with abiogenesis;
Abiogenesis, biopoiesis, or informally, the origin of life, is the natural process by which life arises from non-living matter.

Even if evolution was wrong, it doesn't get you one step closer to a supernatural cause, least of all which ever supernatural cause you happen to believe in.

>>723367019
you mean like that time the world was more christian and we had wars all over europe all the time and 2 world wars? Yeah, those were the times.

>>723374849
>>723374899
just saying you shouldn't ignore how accurate those drawings are. digging up bones does not a dinosaur make. you know how difficult it is to put them back together? you would haveto be expert anthropologists.

>>723367019
I don't actually want to be a christcuck, but I know what you mean.

You feel the need for meaning because you know how empty materialism is, yet you can't let yourself blindly accept anything symbolic that you can't prove is universal and true.

Try art, food, porn and doing creative things. Works for me.

>>723374990
The argument from ignorance fallacy
"I don't know how this obscure thing could of happened, therefore X"

>>723374990
>how accurate those drawings are
Mate, are you looking at the same drawings as I am? Because those are not even remotely accurate. My 3 year old niece could probably draw a more accurate version.

If God was real and there was evidence sure, I would to know when I die existence doesn't stop there, Christianity? Not necessarily, if any God came to earth and there was PROOF he existed all people would behave in order to go to "heaven"

>>723375069
Shhh, it's the only argument religion has, besides 'this book says so' of course.

>>723367019

Atheist here. I really wish I was a believer. I think a lot of Christian values are great and as an amateur historian I love to learn about Christianity. I just can't make myself believe there's a bearded space wizard micro managing our lives. I wish I could.

>>723374930
I do not confuse evolution with abiogenesis. Still it is an empirically unverifiable theory since it involves literally billions of years.

If Christianity were more progressive id be a christian. Id love the lie if it were all just being a good moral just person that isnt afraid of anytthing. Its a lot nicer to think that you go to heaven to hang with your fam instead of the cold reality of blank non existence after death.

tl;dr wish i had a soul and so did you

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>>723375154

Not true.

The flat earth people are proof of that.

>>723371526
>dark ages

Shit, I think we're dealing with a scholar here.

>>723374990
I like how you quoted my comment but ignored the content.

>>723375104
they werent amazing artists. they also depict dinosaurs that had zebra stipes and thats why they have so much backlash. they just confirmed there was dinosuars that had zebra stripes. they also found a femur with soft tissue in it.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-dinosaur-bone-collagen-20170131-story.html

>>723374711
>>723374849
"From the 1960s Javier Cabrera Darquea collected and popularized the stones, obtaining many of them from a farmer named Basilio Uschuya. Uschuya, after claiming them to be real ancient artifacts, admitted to creating the carvings he had sold and said he produced a patina by baking the stone in cow dung."

Second paragraph in the wikipedia link he posted, come on guys.

>>723375266
Abiogenesis (Life from non-life) is fact, please see The Miller-Urey experiment.
Evolution is fact, Live adapts over time. I'm different from my parents as they are to theirs and so on.

For clarification:
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

>>723375414
because even scientists dont believe that and thats actually the point I was making to you. that dinosuars lived while humans were alive.

>>723375236
>a lot of Christian values are great

Name one? Basic decency like 'don't kill/steal/be a general prick' don't count for obvious reasons.

>as an amateur historian I love to learn about Christianity
You can do this without joining the cult. Have a look in your local library.

>>723374007
I'm thoroughly confused. You're being a di k, so I called you a dick. And that makes me close minded? Fun, learn something new every day.

>>723375535
dont pretend youre a woman. dont butt rape children.

>>723375524
I don't know what scientists believe because I haven't read enough studies and frankly I don't know a single evolutionary biologist in person. Still I know humans and dinosaurs living together does not disprove evolution. You just have to find evidence that at a certain point humans got better stats than dinos and slowly won the game.

>>723375535

*tips fedora*

>>723375538
>I'm thoroughly confused.
I bet you get that a lot. You called me presumptuous. And then you went ahead and presumed that I was close minded. Therein lies your hypocrisy. Whether I'm a dick about it is irrelevant, and says nothing about my willingness to look at new evidence.

>>723375538
He didn't accuse you of being closed minded.
He called you ignorant and foolish. You seem to be supporting this assertion.

Any other athiests here wish they believed the lie because they're afraid of death

>>723375488
Dude, I agree with you Im just playing devil's advocate. I spend my everyday life with the notion that evolution is proven fact. Still it is a good exersize of the mind to search for holes in a theory.

>>723375711
>Christian values
>dont butt rape children

Pick one, and only one.

You can still believe in the teachings of Christ, he was real after all, without believing in God or that he was the son of God. If everyone lived as Jesus wished the world would be a far better place.

>>723375711
Numbers 31:18:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

I'm betting they didn't do a gynecological exam, any girl under 13 would have been acceptable.

>>723375905
thats the catholics. a corrupted church.

>>723375920
people married very young back then because they lived to about 35. its the butt rape I'm talking about.

>>723375920

What's the context?

>>723375736
XDD well memed my friend! Upvoted liked and subscribed LOL

>>723368004

yeah but you shouldn't need to be told that every week. you can have all the good parts of christianity without the religion.

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>>723374433
Only Jimmy

>>723376022
There is a context in which
>kill every male among the little ones
>But all the girls, spare for yourselves.
Is moral?

>>723367019
>wish i believed in something higher
then just believe in something higher

god damn

>>723367131
>> World without religion
>> No medicine
>> No science
>> No beers
Yeah definitely a better place

>>723376076
your moral compas has been set by society. This is a christian nation based on christian ideals. if the romans had still been in power to this day you would not have the same morality in the world. Christians highly influenced what is right and wrong.

>>723376213
Yes, on 4chan. I believe now all our ramblings are recorded on a giant server hosted by one of you, austistic fucks. It will be the new gospel of mankind.

>>723376273
hahahahahahahah

>>723375902
Sure anon, just the God of the Gaps arguments are my pet peeve. Apologists try to apply science to conclude science isn't god and doesn't know everything, therefore everything science doesn't know is god. Then claim the high ground by having applied science and logic and that science is a claim equal in merit to magic man in the sky and therefore both are just as likely.
"It's just a theory"

>>723375379
>Knowing about basic history makes him a scholar

Have you always been this dumb or did you grow into it?

>>723376332
Yes, like chemo therapy was invented because of cancer. Doesn't mean we still need the cancer to have the therapy.

>>723376273
This is what relitards actually believe.

>>723367835
Brookie was savage.
I remember the episode where they fucking hung a guy out of a bedroom window... I remember being a kid and thinking "this is a fucking daytime soap mate... this is morbid as fuck".

>>723376332
>This is a christian nation based on christian ideals
Wrong, the founding fathers where deist, not christian, and worked very hard to separate church and state.

>>723376554
Ohhhh, I see how I can explain my argument to you now. I have a problem with evolution of the gaps. Like we have arms, ok so there must have been evolutionary pressures to develop arms. You just say it and don't think about it. You see my point?
I know this is not common scientific practice but I personally do it often. And it's a pretty easy hole to fall in.

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>>723376636
look whats happening without it. all you have to do is look at the transgender, gender blurring. abortions. increasing divorce rates, non nuclear family's. and all these progressive movements literally hate Christians just like you do.

>>723376332
>This is a christian nation
Kek, just because Fox News keeps repeating this doesn't make it true.

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>>723376909

>>723376883
Obvious bait.

>>723376875
May I suggest you check this out by Aron-ra: His other works on this topic are great aswell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS62TkYOVGQ

Also feel free to look here:
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
For the most common arguments for and against the existence of a god.

>>723377044
nope you are just too stupid to understand what that chart represents.

>>723376797
i remember being a child and seeing a episode of brookside of when a woman and her son were pushed off a roof. most probably one of my earliest memories of being scared shitless.

>>723375872
I look forward to death. Would just be comfy to have faith so I thought I knew I had an answer to what happens after.

Well on the bright side the Pope things it's better to be a good atheist than a bad Christian.

>>723376883
> transgender
It's the future, anon. Surgery of levels alowing us to become the gender of choice is like 30 years away. Yes, current trans people are obnoxious but they're just kinda ahead of their time
>gender blurring
Same. Maybe 50 years away. Also gene modification is already a fact.
>abortions
How is this a bad thing?
> increasing divorce rates, non nuclear family
I agree with you on that one but I'm also kinda optimistic sometimes. Maybe this are just the birth pains of something new and greater than monogamy and poligamy?

>>723376557
He was poking fun at the use of the term Dark Ages. No modern historian uses that term anymore.

>>723377390
this is in the bible. using christianity as an excuse to be an asshole the rest of the week is one of the worst things you can do.

>>723377191
Kek, yeah that must be it. Then please, I humbly beg you, explain it to me, oh wise one.

>>723376883
Divorce was made legal at this time, country to the Bibles commandments, This allowed many women to escape abusive and or forced marriages where otherwise they would be trapped.Just another area religion has been dragged kicking and screaming from the dark ages. And from recent polls, 70% of people who identify as christian accept gay marriage.
Side note:
If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death

Killing people for being gay is immoral. Stoning witches, unruly children and non believers. is ALSO IMMORAL.

>>723377167
Thanks, I'll check those out. Maybe just the evolution one. I've been for long convinced god either doesn't exist or the more probable one- he just doesn't give a fuck.

>>723376332
They did so in spite of faith. Not because of it.

>>723377482
Ehh, maybe in america you 'rebranded' the term to appeal to a younger hip audience or something, it's still a very common phrase in the rest of the world.

>>723367504
nice vid

>>723377460
on the trangender issue, youre telling me that giving children at the age of 8 is the future? no its absolute degeneracy. these people arent even giving thier kids a chance at life. there will be a huge upswing in suicides once these kids grow up and realize their parents have essentially chemically castrated them ruining their bodies with no way to repair them before they even knew how babies are made.

>>723377390
The new pope really is GOAT. It might all be a persona tho.

>>723377628
nope this was the sexual revolution the hippie movement. divorce was always legal dipstick.

>>723377756

I'm Scandinavian... The term Dark Ages is one of the biggest misconceptions historians have to face, hence it's not used.

>>723377805
giving children at the age of 8 hormones*

>>723377805
No, no, anon. I'm talking about parents choosing the gender before the birth. Before the conception even.
I'm talking about people having full body surgery and recovering in less than week.
I'm talking about people having a true gender transition in every sense of the word. Not the halfway we do things now.

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>>723377362
I was in my teens during pic related storyline

Many many furious teenage faps were had

>>723378082
nice sci-fi you got there.

>>723377904
Divorce became legal in different years in various countries. In the United States, divorce legislation differs from one state to another. The no-fault divorce was legalized in California in 1969.

Go and ask your grandparents how much religious stigma was placed on divorces prior to this time, Often women and their children would become outcast and living in sin for breaking sacred vows.

>>723377995
What is the misconception exactly? And what term do you prefer? Is Middle Ages okay? Please teach me your pedantic ways.

>>723367019
>theist enabler

Kill yourself fgt. Either believe properly or don't, properly. Don't be a fucking fence sitter. Neither side wants you.

>>723374469
No, you're confusing the way mythical lizards and are perceptions of dinosaurs look.

>>723378183
Well, the internet was sci-fi like 15 years ago. And look at us now arguing over it. I actually am a medical student and keep track with this surgery stuff.

>>723378082
Has someone been reading Culture?

>>723378303
You can believe that religion as a shared belief has helped unite humanity and thus helped it without believing in the nonsense. Take your Fedora and shove it

>>723378234
good it should be stigmatized not celebrated. Now abuse is a completely valid reason to get a divorce but now women do it because its advantageous for them. they get the kids and the house and most of the possessions. and then on top of that alimony. divorce is a punishment for the man and a reward for the woman.

explain this

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-dinosaur-bone-collagen-20170131-story.html

>>723378498
>now women do it because its advantageous for them
Don't pretend you've ever been with a woman anon, we can all see through your bullshit.

>>723378445
Nope, just my own thoughts. Too laze too google that shit. I'm drunk.

>>723367019
If you have no religion but wish you had one, then I think that makes you agnostic. Not only are you open to accepting belief, but you actually desire it. So lucky you, you're not an atheist!

>>723378666
Could you adress his point instead of his person?

>>723378666
>everyone on 4chan is a virgin
nice projection.

>>723378498
You can blame the good old land of the free for:
>they get the kids and the house and most of the possessions. and then on top of that alimony
We can't pin that on religion this is true
But aside the necessity of the law to combat abuse, people can and do fall out of love, whether they have children or not, maybe they marry to early, or their private or work lives take them other places. The death do us part section is now both voluntary and redundant.

>>723378275
The misconception is the they were dark times, not that that part of history is dark because we know so little about it due to a shortage of written sources. An idea that was encouraged by Victorian historians. Basically they entertained the idea that Rome was a beacon of light and what came after was a period of barbarianism and despair.

The correct term would be Early Middle Ages.

It's a shame you feel the need to be so rude, did someone hurt your feelings by trying to correct you?

>>723367019
Thats logical because Jesus want to deliver all of us from religious oppression.

>>723378806
it has been for a while.

>>723378735
>his point
What is his point?

>Divorce is bad because I say women abuse it for financial reasons.
Is that the 'point' he's making? Because it sounds more like a highly subjective and frankly uninformed opinion than it does a point.

>>723378666
Satanic trips of truth

>>723379022
>I've never heard of a gold-digger before.

I think the point started here: >>723376883
With a Christian saying "Everything I perceive as bad is because of non Christians, even things I've taken without context"

>>723379312
you cant deny that those things are being celebrated by heathens as good and morally correct.

>>723379421
They are not good and morally correct now. But a smart person can see why they are happening and think of possible solutions to them and even benefits from them in the future.

>>723378839
>The misconception is the they were dark times
So they were jolly good times instead? Shouldn't they also rebrand the term enlightenment then?

>rude
boohoo, stop being offended

>>723379421
You abandon your own morals for those commanded in a book which include: Both human and animal sacrifice, killing witches, stoning unruly children to death, slavery and the beating of slaves, instructions to kill said heathens among you and this gem:
kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

And want to claim a moral high ground? Your morality is "If god says so"

>>723379121
>They call it reality tv so it must be all true

>>723379819
ugh every atheist I have ever met always quotes things from the old testament. I can see why you would think Christians are hateful you are ignorant of our beliefs.

>>723379819
Well if god said so how can you argue???
[spoilers]lol[/spoilers]

>>723379915
my uncle had his entire music catalog taken in a divorce. all of the music he created throughout his life was taken from him and his family by a gold digger. It is very real.

>>723367131

Religion exists because the world is stupid and it works. Religion doesnt make anyone stupider than they already are. If it wasnt for talking about invisible things in the sky, they'd just be on a news story talking about torturing people with salt and razor blades or something

>>723380061
How can you clam another persons art as joint creation in marriage??? The judge sounds retarded as fuck.

>>723380061
>Argument from personal experience
Wew really made me think, I hate women now.

>>723380209
it happens. its real and there are accounts all over the internet about how messed up divorce law is.

>>723379962
Slavery is in both the old and new testament and is never corrected. Aside from that, the old testament has genesis, your creation story, the 10 commandments, the fall of man and the prophesies (ie:Jesus the jew)
Way to throw out half your holy book due to inconvenience. By the way, God is unchanging, he is the same in the old and in the new. And ProtipL: The new testament is worse, it introduces the concepts of original sin, hell, satan and blaming children for the sins of their fathers least of all infinite torture for finite crimes.

>>723380061

My father had a big suitcase of 70s and 80s casette tapes. My mom made him throw it in the dumpster because the holy ghost told her it had demons

>>723380209
Actually, it's an argument from common sense and he's giving an example from personal exp. Still kinda bad but holds more to critique.

>>723380196
because it was considered wealth.
>>723380325
no you dont understand he created the music. and also you are making bullshit up.

>>723380322
you dont know what you are talking about. theres nothing to argue against here.

>>723380428
>because it was considered wealth.
I see that now but still sounds unethical as fuck.

>>723380428
now you don't believe in God because you cant cry yourself to sleep with your daddeh's portfolio of music? Hell is for a long time

>>723380589
kill yourself

>>723380634
nice strawman.

>>723380413
>argument from common sense
lol
>divorce is bad because the law is sometimes abused
This is common sense to you?

Cars are evil because some people cause accidents, it's common sense!

>>723380634
I hope I'm in hell forever so I can eternally fuck your mother up the ass.

>>723380672
god bless. what a enlightening conversation from a raging fedora tipper. you must be fun at parties.

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>>723367019
Too bad most people refer to the Catholic Church which has nothing to to with the idea of god.

>>723380870
so much this.

>>723380719
>Cars are evil because some people cause accidents, it's common sense!
Bad analogy since I don't win anything from a car crash and also I can get hurt. Which is not true for women in divorce.

>>723380589
Go do what most Christians haven't, read your bible. Start with Isaac & Ishmael maybe, that should be interesting for an American.
Spoiler: The best known Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Christianity and Islam

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>>723378303
You misinterpreted his words.
He is not talking about his own faith.
He is talking about Christians making the world a better place.

I've considered myself an atheist since I was like 10 years old. I've never been able to comprehend the belief that one creator made the universe and everything that came with it. I believe that some powerful people a very long time ago came up with the idea of religion as a way to control the masses and to instill fear into them to get them to behave a certain way, and a source of income. Do what I tell you or you're going to hell! Oh, and give me all your hard earned money too to ensure your place in heaven! Give me a fuckin' break! But hey, some people need religion in their lives, and it helps them to have that guidance. I was intelligent enough at an early enough age to denounce religion and I live a good decent life without it. I know the difference between right and wrong. I am kind and giving. I share, give to those less fortunate than I am (even though I'm poor to begin with.) I'm not an asshole, plain and simple. Others out there aren't smart enough apparently to live like that without the help of belief in god and organized religion. But who am I to judge?

>>723380954
>I don't win anything from a car crash
Excuse me? I don't think you've thought about that statement for very long.

>>723380819
I actually am fun at parties. Do you actually have parties in your no fun allowed christian community? Nah, you're too busy circejerking and sucking that sweet sweet priest dick.

>>723381021
I understand the points you are making but its cherry picking. christianity was the shift that you will be punished in the afterlife for your actions here on earth rather than while you are here. and also softening of gods law which jesus believed was too harsh as he had lived as a man and sympathized with man plight.

>>723381141
Yes, you're right I didn't formulate my point correctly. What I meant was insurance fraud from carcrash is not nearly as profitable and safe as divorce if you're a woman.

>>723367019
You are just depressed and blame it on your beliefs. Go do something, it will go away

>>723381173
you have no idea.

>>723381341
>nsurance fraud from carcrash is not nearly as profitable and safe as divorce if you're a woman
Fair enough, perhaps it's not, although it very much depends on who you're married to. Either way, the analogy was perfectly fine, just because N people abuse X, doesn't mean X is bad. Point still stands.

>>723381341
No Jesus for filled the sacrificial laws
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.
Yes, Christianity invented original sin and hell, both concepts of which are Immoral. Infinite torture for finite crimes? Immorall. The concept we are all BORN in sin? Immoral. The 'awful nice soul you have there, shame if something where to happen to it' setup? Immoral.
Not including the massive loophole of Christianity, becoming saved, the ONLY path to heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as a saviour. means i can go to confession for any crime and be absolved.
Bonus Round: Apologists like to claim Charles Dawin acceped Jesus on his death bed and went to heaven

>>723381681
Ah shit, see: >>723381311

>>723381500
>just because N people abuse X, doesn't mean X is bad.
Yes, it does if high enough people do the fraud.

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>>723367019
probably not the ONLY one

there are retards all over the place

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>>723378733
>retard

>>723381779
a baby will not go to hell, nor will a mentally deficient person. if they are incapable of knowing god they get a free pass. it just means if you deny your creator you can not be rewarded in the afterlife and will be punished. God is still God.

>>723367019
Just because something is imaginary does not mean that it couldent be absolutely fundamental to keeping the masses in good behavior.

......like television.

>>723382095
>[citation needed]

>>723381929
difference here is one id doing it because of thier religion and one is doing it in spite of theirs. nobody forced these "Christians" to kill people its not a Christian belief to kill for your religion.

>>723376273
bait?

>>723382095
David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23)

>>723382314
meant for>>723382148

>>723367019
>think the world would be a better place if it was more christian.

The world has been run by christians for a good while now and it's still the same shithole as before if not worse.

>>723382314
So the thoughts of David are now the thoughts of god? Hmmm.

>>723382494
But Jesus called them to him, saying, “Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
Luke 18:16

>>723382095
What the hell does this have to do with anything I've raised?
Christian 101: Throw away old testament, You just don't understand, it's all context, I'm going to heaven god bless.

I think Christianity is fine for keeping dumb people in line and quiet. It's a whole lot better than other silly and violent religions, and I still see respectable and intelligent people who are Christians more than in other faiths.
The world isn't ready to let go of religion yet, so until then, I agree with OP.

>>723376213

I mean the verses before and after the one you cherry picked you dumb shit.

What story is this from?

>>723382563
Wow, Jesus is not such a dick as his father it seems. Too bad he's not the boss yes. Maybe when his father dies?

>>723382566
I thought you wanted to talk about original sin and assumed you were talking about babies and mentally deficient.

>>723382601
>Numbers 31:18:
"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18"But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

How was that confusing for you?: was it the part where I said:
>Numbers 31:18:

>>723382659
what Jesus says is approved by God. but you shouldnt separate the son from the father either.

>>723382784
How do you know that? Do you eavesdrop on their conversations?

>>723367019
World would definitely be better if it was more Christian. Christian values (I'm talking core protestant/Lutheran values, not crazy sect values) work very well for conforming the populace, it's one of the major reasons why the west is the west.

However I don't wish I believed in anything personally, I'm fine with being Atheist. I still live by those same values, I just don't think they come from God.

>>723382784
Isaiah 45:5
>I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me
John 14:6
>Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

>>723382939
because he was resurrected by God. Validating everything he said.

>>723382972
see>>723383055

>>723382972
new covenant, idiot.

>>723382689
Pick any topic here:
>>723379819
here
>>723380322
or here
>>723381681
To address,
Who gets a free pass wan't really on my list

>>723383055
Dunno about that. I would ressurrect my son even if he was the worst pathological liar.
>>723382972
That sounds like a contradiction to me. Nah, Jesus won't lie. Hmm.

>>723383204
I have already addressed most of it you can ignore it all you want I'm not going to repeat myself.

>>723375266
Evolution on a grand scale taking billions of years is no hindrance. We can observe plenty of small changes, and even pretty major ones, in just a lifetime.

If those smaller changes happen, bigger changes will result over longer periods. There is nothing there to "stop" them, so they will. In short, seeing evolution, even just in a microbe, proves evolution on a grand scale.

>>723383121
>>723383140
No Jesus for filled the sacrificial laws, and those only
Matthew 5:18
>For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.

I'm tired of having to explain Christianity to Christians

>>723383300

>>723379962
>>723380589
>>723381311

You said, 'Oh that is the old testament' - I have nothing here to argue lets move on (please), addressed nothing and got the part about Jesus wrong.

>>723381907
You fail at logic my friend.

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>>723367019
You're not. I thought that the less religious the world became, the better it would become, but then I realized that those same atheists who would shun Christianity over how backwards it was, now openly accept Islam as a replacement,

If atheists were as objective about Islam as they are about Christianity, I think that the world would be united in a secular utopia that prioritized science and technology over everything else. It's deeply deeply troubling to see that those Christians I once shat on for being a bunch of idiots are the only ones fighting to preserve liberal democratic values.

So sadly, I agree. The world would be better off under Christianity than it is now over the apathetic nihilism that comes with modern atheists.

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>>723379755
atleast you have dubs

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>>723383871
Same god,
Abrahamic religions are Judaism, Christianity and Islam
Have you not read the story of isaac and ishmael?

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>>723383801
It sounded good in my head atleast.

>>723368808
I hope you realise how lucky you are to have the great jimmeth corkethhill in the same dwelling as you

>>723383801
>just because Niggers abuse Welfare, doesn't mean Welfare is bad.

>>723384051
Don't see the relevance to the topic.

>>723383673
I did youre just ignoring the argument.

>>723384203
At this point I would ignore your argument, if you ever got to presenting one. At this point i'm not even sure you know what the word means.

>>723384364
you pointed it out yourself. Gods law was softened.

>>723384463
You said "Jesus fixed it"
I pointed out, No he didn't. He made a whip, beat up some merchants, Said
Matthew 10:34
>"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Than said:
Matthew 5:18
>For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law.

Then became the ultimate sacrifice, Ending the sacrificial laws, and those laws only, that's why there are no Human or animal sacrifices in the new testament. He Changed not one jot or one tittle of God's laws.

>>723384190
The irony, God A is better than God B, Lets build society under God A, oops same God.

>>723384893
>you abandon your own morals for those commanded in a book which include: Both human and animal sacrifice, killing witches, stoning unruly children to death, slavery and the beating of slaves, instructions to kill said heathens among you and this gem...

come on now.

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>>723367835
This is now a Jimmy thread...
Shooting Stars Brookie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X1y84IZ6zo

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>>723385194
Same god, entirely different religion and set of values that accompany it. Does that seriously need to be explained? I mean to be clear here, you're suggesting that because the same god is present in Christianity and Islam, that there isn't a difference in the ways in which these faiths proselytize?

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DERAIL THIS THREAD COMRADES!

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>>723385392
I approve

I miss brookie

>>723385392
>>723385595
lose argument slide thread with pedo's.

>>723367019
im atheist and i agree in relation to the riddance of islam but down the road freedom from religious brainwash is just but then you start dealing between existential crises and nihilism/depression until we learn the inner workings of the universe/consciousness

>>723367791
this

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[Soviet Russia Today, December, 1941.]

Comrades, Red Army and Red Navy men, commanders and political instructors, men and women workers, men and women collective farmers, intellectuals, brothers and sisters in the enemy rear who have temporarily fallen under the yoke of the German brigands, our glorious men and women guerrillas who are disrupting the rear of the German invaders!

On behalf of the Soviet Government and our Bolshevik Party I greet you and congratulate you on the 24th anniversary of the great October Socialist Revolution.

Comrades, today we must celebrate the 24th anniversary of the October Revolution in difficult conditions. The German brigands' treacherous attack and the war that they forced upon us have created a threat to our country. We have temporarily lost a number of regions, and the enemy is before the gates of Leningrad and Moscow.

The enemy calculated that our army would be dispersed at the very first blow and our country forced to its knees. But the enemy wholly miscalculated. Despite temporary reverses, our army and our navy are bravely beating off enemy attacks along the whole front, inflicting heavy losses, while our country-our whole country-has organized itself into a single fighting camp in order, jointly with our army and navy, to rout the German invaders.

There was a time when our country was in a still more difficult position. Recall the year 1918, when we celebrated the first anniversary of the October Revolution. At that time three-quarters of our country was in the hands of foreign interventionists. We had temporarily lost the Ukraine, the Caucasus, Central Asia, the Urals, Siberia and the Far East. We had no allies, we had no Red Army-we had only just begun to create it-and we experienced a shortage of bread, a shortage of arms, a shortage of equipment.

>>723368004
+1

>>723368062
this

>>723367019
Christianity is really different around the world, here where I live it's nothing like in America and their weird gospel shit.

>>723367019
that seems pretty weird to me

>>723385270
It's true, though. If you believe that women are equal to men, that slavery is wrong, and that rulers can be wrong and should be opposed when they are, you get your morals from Enlightenment philosophers, not the Bible. Note that I'm only working from the New Testament, there. I think we can all agree that the Old Testament presents a thoroughly abhorrent moral system. The whole idea of serving justice through blood shed by a proxy predates real moral thought.

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>>723385522
>Of course fellow comrade
In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis, "common, universal")[1][2] is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]

Communism includes a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, anarchism (anarchist communism), and the political ideologies grouped around both. All these share the analysis that the current order of society stems from its economic system, capitalism, that in this system, there are two major social classes: the working class—who must work to survive, and who make up the majority within society—and the capitalist class—a minority who derives profit from employing the working class, through private ownership of the means of production, and that conflict between these two classes will trigger a revolution. The primary element which will enable this transformation, according to this analysis, is the social ownership of the means of production.

>>723369942
I think you're wrong in equating judeo-christian morality w/ freedom of speech. When you boil down to the heart of it, its the freedom to dissent, so long as you don't hurt anyone, that separates you from those who fear it + criticism. Not judeochristian values because religious perscription =/= regal levels of ethics

>>723385518
Yes, Explain to me how each of these three major religions, not to mention the dozens of denominations are completely different yet all claim to have the true word of God exactly as he commanded.
Tell me again why the one you happened to grow up around is inherently the right one, right after you demonstrate that the natural world was spoken into existence by an anthropomorphic immortals incantation spell.

>>723367019
>the world would be a better place if only lots more people believed in a lie
I guess, outwardly anyway. But a lie is a lie. And basing your life on a lie turns your life into a lie, and then your country becomes a lie and your world a lie, even if it's a peaceful lie it's still a lie.

>>723385955
it also says you should follow the law of the land and thats what I'm doing.

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>>723367019
I read an interesting article likening religion to virtual realifyreality a video game superimposed over reality, similar to Pokemon Go. Just play video games and it will give you meaning.

>>723385955
Please see:
>>723383204
Where I attempted to shine light on these topics, were our mutual 'I'm going to heaven' friend did not.

>>723374469
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_stones
" These are recognised as modern curiosities or hoaxes."

>>723370822
Then every doctrine is relative to your own self interest but there will be a time where the truth and the religious ideology will clash and i would hope that the people with the most reason are in power rather than a religious one because then you are in a society wgere you are judged based on tradition as opposed to based on reason

>>723380428
>>723380061

top kek, you can't just take copyright from a person no matter what, it's its creators property until he dies. You don't sell copyright to anyone, just license to use it. after death copyright is passed to a new owner. He should have just called copyright infringement take good compensation.

>>723367019
I'm gonna be honest with you, here. I am an atheist. I don't want to believe in a higher power. I do believe that if people were closer with their community the world would be better. There are too many people who think being alone and that everyone else is stupid are the right ideas so it follows naturally that they develop mental issues and hatred in some cases.

>>723386128
This is a very loaded question.First let's establish when I argued that Christianity was "the right religion".

>>723386200
By which standard did you accept
>follow the law of the land
But rejected
>Slavery
>human Sacrifice
>Sanctified Rape and murder
>Boiling a Goat in it's own mothers milk

All of which are both commanded and endorsed by the bible, what criteria did you use to disregard some, yet keep others?

>>723371273
kudos to you, more ppl (includin myhself) should adhere to that level of self removal when looking at the benefits of christianity

>>723386394
he's not a lawyer and somehow she got it all. he cheated on her multiple times. so they gave her most of everything.

>>723386423
>The world would be better off under Christianity than it is now

>>723386394
also he's dead now.

>>723367019
It would be nice if, like, the edited highlights of Christianity were something to which everyone subscribed (atheistfag here too) - the 'be nice to everyone, charity and love and mercy' thing. But not the whole corrupt edifice, not, and not the stupid bits of the Bible. Also, it only works if EVERYONE does it.

>>723384893
Why did God originally institute the idea that a person who had committed a sin (crime) could be absolved by shedding the blood of some other creature? This patently immoral idea is the reason why the blood of Christ is supposed to atone for the sins of humanity. The New Testament is built around the idea that the human sacrifice (because Jesus was supposedly 100% human and 100% God) of the body of Christ, an innocent man, provides a way for each human to be forgiven of their sins.

What sense does this make?

>>723386554
Now let's establish where in that quote, you managed to carve out "Christianity is the true religion".

>>723386507
the law of your rulers. you have to follow them. and jesus died to end those beliefs. there is no human sacrifice in the new testament as well.

>>723386761
Jesus had a human body, which was sacrificed.

>>723386826
oh you got me I didnt know that.

>>723367019
you are weak, man the fuck up, why would you be scared that there is nothing after you die? i think it is nice, no sound nothing.

>>723386743
You where clearly endorsing Christianity, You are now engaging in a huge amount of dishonesty claiming otherwise.

>>723386939
hate yourself so much you wish you never existed.

>>723386992
OK let's try this another way

"I think the world would be better off if it suffered from genital warts over AIDS"

Tell me, does that mean I'm promoting genital warts? Am I saying that genital warts is the one true STD?

>>723367019
You sound like a confused adolescent

Religion is just another way of controlling people
If you think that following all the tenets of Christianity, not just the hippie bullshit from Jesus but all the Old Testament teachings, is good then you are a terrible person at your core
If you choose to ignore the parts that are awful like stoning unwed mothers to death or that children deserve to be killed by bears for taunting a prophet for being bald then you're a self-deluded fool
I you weren't aware any of that and you own a bible then you don't actually take it seriously and should take time to seriously rethink your beliefs

>>723386939
Yeah I'm hanging myself ttonight, a bit anxious, but hopefully I'll have an orgasm

>>723387166
Why must you suffer either, both is terrible.
Replacing one bad system with another is idiotic.
Organised religion serves no real purpose, no true purpose, Dissolving it and replacing it with another illusion has no merit, neither does picking the lesser of two evils.
You concluded with Christianity being superior, so defend it, Start at the start, the God claim. There is a God, and it's the God of the bible, and here is why:

>>723387285
If Robin Williams can do it, so can you! Be inspired!

>>723387227
/thead

>>723371721
Im Atheist as well, and while its true that atheists do donate money, food, etc.., religious groups donate significantly more due to their numbers. Camaraderie and gratification of helping others in the name of their god is a big part of Christianity. I think that most religions (especially modern Christianity) provide a good moral compass for those who may not have one, or one very strong.

>>723367019
>I admire a lot of the morality in modern christianity.

Like burning people for imaginary crimes and so forth?

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I'll listen to the music

>>723387493
But if you're going to suffer either, why does it not make sense to suffer the lesser evil? We had to choose between Hillary and Trump. Are you saying that everyone who voted fro Trump did so because they thought he would be a good president? And not just to keep Hillary out? Christ let's get real. How the fuck can you even argue this retarded BS? You can't be this naive.

the bible was the first mass produced book on the planet. let that sink in for a minute. you like books? you can thank the bible for that.

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>>723382216
Every Commander-in-Chief of the US military has been Christian, it is an unwritten requirement that our military be led by a Christian.

You can sit there and try to push the blame on other people all day long, but in the end the Christian religion is more to blame than anything else.

>>723388069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-8kRvPeYRo

>>723388069
>provide a good moral compass for those who may not have one, or one very strong.

Like, it provides you a narcissistic reason for doing good, when perfectly good reasons are available?

>>723388162
>America starts all the wars in the world.
unwritten law. no its not unwritten, it just so happens that's who gets appointed to positions like that.

>>723388069
> provide a good moral compass for those who may not have one, or one very strong.

This statement doesn't survive the slightest scrutiny:
97% of prison population believes in creator god

.07% report to be atheist or agnostic

Other: fail to report

>>723388141
Because the null position was on the table the whole time, the Atheist.
Hmm, should I shoot myself in the left foot, the right foot, or... Not shoot myself

>>723388192
How is it different when an atheist does something good? How can an atheist define good

>>723388399
Left foot, obviously

Want to see a world without religion?

Play dark souls. Not for the story mind you, but for the lack of moral rules.

Did you go around murdering characters for items, accepting the only consequence of lack of their services once they died? Did you invade to run other people's day? Or did you sun bro and help people out? Drop items for those in need?

Morals can exist in a vacuum. Religion is just control.

>>723388316
>no its not unwritten
wow you're dumb

>>723371526
the Greeks and Romans were very religious. your argument is bullshit.

>>723388436
Ye ol' Morality fallacy
Read all about it here:
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Morality

>>723388491
Sounds interesting. I might buy that

>>723388192
heres an example stealing greatly benefits the thief. why is there a good reason not to steal. if you are starving and they have food its morally right for you to have some food too isnt it?

>>723388511
making up bullshit doesnt make you smart.

>>723388436
being good and doing good is pretty simple. Even chimpanzees react to unfairness, have been documented sacrificing themselves to save others from drowning.

Morals did not come from the bible

Whatever moral wisdom comes from religious writings, are not written well, and they're generally not the first to report it. The first 4 ten commandments have nothing to do with morality.

They're injunctions in the god "jealousy"

Additionally, don't look for the bible to repudiate child abuse or slavery.

limit reached. pools closed.

>>723388658
If your family is actually hungry, and there is no decent way to get a meal even after asking people for food, then by all means you should take enough food to feed your family.

>>723388399
But the atheist, as I've already explained repeatedly in the past, has allowed the cancerous infection of Islam to spread by their apathy.

They are vengeful against Christianity, but silent on Islam. That's the fucking problem. I pointed it out already.

Atheists fight against Christianity, but do not hold Islam to the same standard. They just don't. Your argument only works providing atheism is just as militant against Islam as it is against Christianity. And it's just not.

Save for Bill Maher, Sam Harrish, and a handful of other prominent atheists who are honest about it, atheists by and large just do not fight for liberal principles. They don't have the same drive to defend democracy that Christians do.

If I have to cut my foot off to prevent a cancerous infection, I'll happily do it without a problem.

>>723388934
and let the other family starve. no fuck you. thats the problem with atheism.

>>723388946
{Citation Needed}
Also:
Someone's coming to burn my house down
Better burn it down before they get here

>>723388946
>But the atheist, as I've already explained repeatedly in the past, has allowed the cancerous infection of Islam to spread by their apathy.

THAT is simply false. It has been peaceful open tolerant societies that allow Islam to spread.

Christians are indoctrinated with pacifism. Don't look to Christians to provide a source of relief.

Atheists are against all forms of dogma. I can't stand the idea of Islam in my town.

Religious moderates are to blame for creeping Islam. Prove me wrong.

>>723389111
Would you not support your family by stealing food, if you tried to work but could not, and you asked for help but received nothing?

what good are you?