Tell me why communism isn't the best government ideology.

>>723199817
inb4 flawed historical examples

>>723199817
But with this logic, nazism is better, sadly...

>>723200198
>inb4 all attempts at implementing it have failed, belying its fundamental impracticability due to the faults of human nature
FTFY

>>723199817
communism works only with ants and bees , humans are too fucked up to handle it

>>723200306
>doesn't understand rock, paper, scissors
Quiet, the adults are speaking

>>723200387
>2 minutes 15 seconds
Damn, I'm good

>>723200407
hitler has paper you autist

>>723200486
>i wuz only pretendin 2 b retarded xD

>>723200585
>also doesn't understand rock, paper, scissors
Welcome to Trump's America

>>723199817

Well, that's a good argument. I have to say, all evidence cannot beat that.

>>723199817
tell me why something that doesn't work shouldn't be implemented
pro tip: you can't
>FTFY

How the fuck does paper beat a rock?
The rock could just literally smash and rip the paper?

WHO THE FUCK CREATED THIS SHIT GAME?

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i dunno wtf is going on in this thread but something is suspucious and strange

>>723199817
Communism is the form of goverment.. if your clever enough to figure it out that is.

Communism is trash. In the US we can talk shit about our president...but the "commie shit lands" you can be killed if you say the leaders name wrong. plus, If i did a amazing fucking job at my place of work in the US I would get paid more than the fuckface that doesn't do anything. in Commie land, everyone gets paid the same so it doesn't really matter if you are good at your job.

P.S. if you are going to say that Communism (The Rock) is better than Democracy (The Scissors)...then wouldn't Fascism beat Communism since it's Paper?

Pretty much Commies are dumb and I can see why you are one.

>>723200637
>makes a prediction
>prediction is correct
>"Lol what a retard, he called that exactly!"

>>723200867
the problem is only poor and retarded countries tried communism , it cant magically turn some shithole into a good place

>>723200684
Because capitalism, that most countries has right now, works sooo well.

It's only a matter of time until that system screws us all over.

isnt china communistic ? theyre pretty strong

>>723200867
When people pull this idealistic nonsense on them, I like to blankly point out the extreme prosperity inherent to any system with a wealth of resources, but in capitalism, even with abundant national wealth, Capitalist countries are infested with homeless panhandlers who do, in fact, wait in line at homeless shelters for a cot and dinner.

Right now, look at any major city in any Capitalist country and you will find both slums and outright homeless.

The problem is not the form of government, it's the exploitative nature of the people. The problem is the very people, which is why there will never be a perfect government, because the people are far from perfect.

>>723199817
>government owns and contro lls everything
>best
lol kys commie your ideology is already obsolete, aeven them russians put it on the bin. Its already proven that you cant trust the government in handling shit.

>>723199817
because it doesn't pander to our faults.

corruption is inevitable and it only really makes sense for the entire country, and people will participate less when this is true.

socialism only appeals to mediocre people

>>723200387
This.
And i refuse to see myself equal to a nigger and i dont want to work to make up for his lazy arse.

Because growing communism from the seed takes too much fertilizer which will inevitably runoff off into the surrounding ideologies and cause an excess growth of undesirable characteristics

>Antifa or that Catalan faggot shilling yet again

>>723199817
>economic system
>best political ideology

wew lad! It's almost as if you have no clue what you're talking about, on the most basic level. That's what you get for hanging out in /pol/. Your brain rots, and your trolling skills suffer for it.

>>723201066
>lism, that most countries has right now, works sooo well.
>It's only a matter of time until that syst

We are waiting, we have been for almost two centuries.

>>723200671
Paper.
Beats.
Rock.

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it is. especially now that we have technology and full automation approaching.

>>723201461
.... and it is coming.

>>723201051
>only retarded countries tried communism
>retarded
>communism
I wonder why only retards would try communism? Makes you think...

>>723200945
/thread

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>>723201468

>>723201468
people dying who happen to live in capitalism is not the same as being put up against the wall for being an anti soviet agitator b/c you tried to tell your boss that the train tracks can't handle this many wagons, but they put too many on anyway and the train crashed
(pro tip this literally happened in soviet russia)

>>723199817
Because people that's why. Even in a communist society the people at the top are getting special treatment.

>>723201597
And they say communism is bad..

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>>723199817

If power and authority was truly just, nobody would have a problem with a dictator or authoritative superleader with supreme authority.

The problem is that they are people, too, not gods or machines, and they are fallible and exploitative , just like anyone else.

the problem is and always has been, and probably always will be the PEOPLE. The human leaders, the human subjects, and every human in between are the points of failure of every government, organization, and program.

You can create a flawless and just ideology, but the natural forces of evolution drive people to exploit the system and each other, because we've just about finished raping every other resource on the planet, except each other, so the people in power are working on perfecting that now.

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>>723199817
Marxism is a wonderful romantic ideology that's based on human cooperation and sharing, but always turns into anti-intellectual totalitarian shitshow in practice.

Capitalism on the other hand is a brutal ruthless system which runs on humans' baser drives, yet functions adequately if reasonably regulated.

Communism failed because it does not adhere to human nature. Taking simply what you need and nothing more is not how current humans behave. Capitalism has very many flaws and it does have rigged elements to it, but at the same time it lets humans be humans and chase what they want while holding onto a layer of stability.

I would think in the future, if we really could modify brain cells and stop humans desire to always consume in mass bulk for no apparent reason and ensure everyone has enough to eat and survive, we will see a new era of communism style governments from it.

>>723201698
The Iraq war dude. It was started because of corporate greed.

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>>723201597
>people never starve in Communist nations

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>>723201472
In reality, rock smashed paper.

>>723201557
maybe theyve desperately tried to make their countries less shitty

>>723200867
>OP asks about communism
>dumb fag posts about socialism
socialist educated europoor confirmed.

>>723200945
Burning food instead of feeding the people is not innocent

>>723201842
are you sure it wasn't started because of saddam dumping his chemical weapons & then lying about not having them to save face with his neighbors, which then caused the US to believe that he still had them?

>>723201968
And in reality, the rock crumbled from the inside.

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>>723202033

>>723201999
And people are "supposed" to have control over the politicians. The people have zero fucking control over the corporations and the corporations have all the control over the politicians.

>>723202033
Dumb fags doesn't understand that socalism is the way toward communism.

>>723201472
that retard didnt understand the picture and now gonna pretend we was thinking of something on purpose

>>723202184
that is a criticism of democracy, not capitalism

>>723202120
No. It was started because of oil. The terrorist ties, the WMD's, etc.. it was all lies to start the occupation. And looked what fucking happen. The US destabilized the country and and ISIS came in and stole everything, and oh look at that ISIS is trying to fuck with the world now. All because of corporate fucking greed.

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>>723202134
This is amazing as a Polack. They killed 30,000 polish officers and put them in a fucking mass grave and tried to deny that they did it

>>723202167
the goal of /b/tards is to see a vagina irl. doesn't mean it will happen.

>>723202231
fucking hell what mistypes i make when not drunk

>>723201557
This

>>723202311
Well then your criticisms of socialism are a problem of democracy as well and not of socialism.

>Ideology
Yes it's the best ideology, but we as humans are greedy cunts who want everything, and are willing to cause people to have nothing to achieve that.

>>723200826
In Soviet times wages were superb even in shit tier jobs, I.e. you get 600 rubles for 100 you were able to eat as king, buy couple pairs of suits and shoes, the fuel was cheap as fuck 5-9 cents, diesel you could get for free if you have any friend in country, free flats, cheap af houses well you get the point. But it had major flaw planned economy if it was free shit would be cash

>>723202444
Only idiots believe that. I'm guessing you're American so it makes sense.

>>723202453
I agree, democracy is inherently flawed as we are seeing in the modern day

>>723199817
Human nature

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>>723202528

>>723202201
yeah, thats why most of europoor is communist . . . wait, no, youre a dumbfuck. suck on that slippery slope dumbfuck.

>>723202444
Wow, you have alot of reading to do.

>>723200676
It's not a good argument

Humanity does not work like a hive, and even hives have a hierarchy

>>723202585
every country in europe has a market economy & democracy you dumbass

>>723202533
We need Socialism and Capitalism. They need to balance each other out, one will be rampant laziness, the other would be rampant greed.

Certain areas, like Healthcare, Justice System, Military, Schools, should be Socialist.

>>723202473
Yeah, life in Soviet Russia was just peachy

>>723202585
well stable communism takes time to develop you greedy kike

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>>723202763
>like Healthcare

Communism cannot be implemented while capitalism exists. A capitalist power will always attempt to undermine communism and force it to fail, both to gain access to further resources and to keep its own citizens from questioning capitalism.

>>723201597
This is literally the most retarded piece of shit ever. What the fuck does any of that have to do with the voluntary exchange of goods?

>>723202721
>what is market socialism?
fuck you are dumb

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>>723202920
Those evil capitalists didn't give away everything for free!

True communism is extremely vulnerable to hostile takeover from any asshole warlord with an army. Any other form is basically a dictatorship

>>723200407

You are dumber than a fucking stump. Fascism beats communism in your example.

Fuck off.

>>723202917
you mean like how you are questioning it now?

>>723202870
>stable communism takes time to develop
forever, even

>>723202222
And he raped his maid that he didn't pay

>>723202889
It works in Canada.

Yearly checkups, scans, a prostate exam every few years, physicals, etc. I'm not worried that any of that shit is going to cost me 2,000-4,000.

If I think there's something wrong, I'll go in and not worry about being fucked.

>>723202974
>what is buzzword soup?
i dont know fam you tell me what today special snowflake brand of infallible communism is

>>723202920
it has to do with capitalism, which is "voluntary" exchange of goods.

>>723203124
thanks for admitting youre a dumbfuck.

>>723203061
Forever hasn't been yet.

>>723199817
Under communism, I can't force the rabble to work for my personal gain under threat of starvation, therefore communism sucks.

>>723202889
Another reason why the US is fucked with being raised in a Capitalist society. They're rasied to be greedy as fuck and think only "what's in it for me, fuck everyone else".

>>723202733
I dont have to sell my house after I break my leg + the law lets me keep my job...

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>>723203391
>what is the holodomor?

>>723199817
If Best means most slave like. Then you are correct

>>723203242
there is no socialist country in europe, socialism is democratic control of the means of production which you will not find in europe and that is why we are not communist

why yankees hate communism so much when they dont have it ? whats their brainwash propaganda ? movies with chuck norris and rambo ?

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>>723203391
>I can't force the rabble to work for my personal gain under threat of starvation under communism

I am afraid i have some bad news for you

>>723203600
Blame Reagan. One of the worst presidents in history. Royally fucked that country.

>>723199817
Because you can never elminate class from society.
All communism does is replace the elected officials with bureaucrats and institutionalize corruption

>>723203555
>doesn't know yuropoors pay >70% taxes
>doesn't know control of capital equals control of production.
ask me how I know you went to a "free" europoor university?

>>723203852
I am a european, my income tax is ~30% and I took a loan for my tuition

>>723203988
but you pay other taxes on every step , when you buy something , when you sell something , even when you shit

>>723203600
It goes against the American dream. We like to think that with hard work and determination (under capitalism) we can build up enough to live comfortably and make a name for ourselves, instead of through hard work and determination finally earning enough commiebucks to patch a hole in our 12 year old, government issued work boot.

>>723203988
>income tax
>because thats the only tax euros pay

>>723199817

By that logic they would all have to do it all over again

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>>723199817
Tell me one instance of a successfully run communist county without crippling civil rights violations, and mass poverty.

>>723204151
>>723204208
Taxes do not mean socialism you idiots.
So was it a socialist government in 200BC? 400AD? 1066AD?
They were taxed a lot then, too, retards. Having soldiers at your disposal to collect money from people does not automatically make you karl marx

>>723199817
I cant. i'll tell you why, because it isn't

>>723204208
And you seem to think income tax is the only tax Americans pay?

>>723204425
you stupid shit dont understand what youre reading

>>723204425
>Taxes do not mean socialism you idiots
nice strawman. but I never wrote that did I brainstem.

>>723204620
what is the exact level of taxes that flips you over from capitalism to socialism then?

>>723200306
>>723200585
>>723201472
>>723202231

>rock beats scissors
>scissors beats paper
>paper beats rock
>repeat forever

Anon was right, you fags definitely don't understand rock paper scissors.

>>723204618
never wrote that either dipshit.

>>723204688
>europe is actually socialist because you pay a lot of taxes
>i didn't say that!
...

>>723203015
>>723204752
Missed one

>>723204703
stupid question. if its a confiscatory tax is not redistributed it will never be socialism.

>>723204793
Then your argument of "yur taxed a lot" kind of falls apart.

>>723204703
capitalism - fuck everyone with taxes
socialism - fuck everyone with taxes , give a piece of bread to very poor ones

>>723201698
Pretty sure you can when capitalists point out the people who starved under communism/socialism

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Erase yourself commie jews. It is self enslavement and you gain nothing from it.

>>723204752
no you werent right you stupid homo

>>723204829
see
>>723204829
only tax schemes involving redistribution to the needy are socialist you drooling tard.

>>723205116
see
>>723205263

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>>723199817
Bauman wrote that the only flaw that all communist governments made was about not giving a fuck about money. That's a real issue, you could achieve equality with money being used and communism doesn't preach against earning money. So yeah... All models that were applied to this date (except china, maybe) are the worst kind of shit you could imagine, if you take a look to Nordic countries it should be a good example of wealth equality, with a very small wage gap.

>>723201941
>less people have starved than under capitalism
FTFY

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>>723199817
It's the worst because of this

>>723205319
See
>>723203404

btw lenin and stalin didnt slaughter many people because they were communists but because they were mentally sick russians

marxists are like dogshit in paris parks & cucks who live in dumpster
flats everywhere

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Marxism = Judaism = Communism = Luciferianism

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>>723199817
Best in which way?

Im a libertarian by nature so to me communism doesnt seem best really at all. Its a dictatorship where Ill have very little personal freedoms.

>>723205228
So then it doesn't repeat forever?
>rock beats scissors
>paper beats rock
>full stop?

All the guys for Capitalism must realize that sooner or later most jobs will be replaced by machines right? The US has lost almost 7 million jobs to Automation since 2000. And it's getting worse and worse.

A new system is going to need to be created because a Capitalist society is going to eat itself. All these corporate leaders are trying to find ways to make more money, even if it's fucking the country, they're getting theirs so they don't care. And sooner or later it will collapse.

>>723205547
>that way I have to remember fewer definitions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_spite

>>723205679
call someone to explain you what this post meant >>723200306

>>723199817
The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre—the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron

>>723201217
As opposed to almost the entire population waiting for food

>>723205755
Youre fabricating what ifs and using it as a leverage point for a dictatorshit

Round and round we go

Have another go at it bud

this thread was funny , another hour of life fucking wasted

>>723205842

also, in fairness it's also the reason why capital sucks too.


Dark_Matters_Twisted_But_True_Season_2_Episode_3>Killed by Kindness

>>723205901
>fascism beats communism
>communism beats capitalism
>capitalism beats fascism
>repeat forever
If a child's game is too complicated for you you shouldn't take part in political discussion

>>723205989
Fabricating, I gave evidence that it IS having an effect.

Communists are always trying to use scare tactics to fuel their cause "the end is near!"

Capitalist are optimist who try hard to make beauty happen.

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>>723205755
>>723205803
Literally the same thing, ideologically. Same end game, methods, etc. It is called the zionist matrix of power. Aka jew world order. The objective being a one world communist government. A slave planet for God's chosen people.

>>723205989
>>723206080

Also I should point out in the same time, the country has lost millions more jobs not to automation but to outsourcing, once more by companies looking to make the most money possible.

You HAVE to see that this is a system that just cannot work for long.

>>723205755
>this
Resources need to be viewed and distributed very different if anyone who doesn't own a factory wants to eat.

>>723200970
Why marx?

He just wrote a book with engels & some retards went full autist and made massacres

Oh wait
Sounds like religion

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>>723206282
You didnt scare me yet commie. Keep up the hard work you almost got me!

>>723199817
Killed 800 million of its own people, you fuckwit.

>>723206271
>I don't like to think and my dad hates Jews

>>723204752
You are an idiot.

>>723206422
This big time

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Socialism maybe, but we aren't mindless ants so communism will never work as intended.

>>723206418
Capitalism could work if there were more checks in place. Like stop automating everything, stop outsourcing everything. But the same government you don't want in control of your money, is being controlled by the corporations... who are actively trying to fuck you in the ass.

>>723206271
Sieg Heil

>>723206460
>says the idiot that needed to have rock paper scissors explained to him
Literally holding back tears right now, I'll let you decide which kind.

>>723203478
So... you're saying that it's exactly like the U.S.?

(source: I just broke my leg. Employer provided insurance paid for the medical costs (and will pay for physical therapy), and I am in no danger of losing my job when I recover.)

>>723206564
>capitalism would work as an efficient means of distributing wealth
>if everything that made it capitalism were regulated or removed
What?

>>723206564
It does work youre just a cry baby. If you lose your job go work doing something else. People do it every fucking day.

>>723206564
>stop automating everything
this is the opinion of a retard who wants to hobble technological and economic advancement because he can't think of how to feed people without having them perform redundant drudgery. i'll give you outsourcing though

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>>723200755
basically this
Ancoms are the say way too.

>>723205482
This is a good point. Although mentally sick russian seems to be redundant.

>>723207044
>people literally starving in the streets
>"this is fine, you're just a baby"

>>723206722
you literally just repeated what everyone else already said, then pretended that they were saying something else. I'd imagine those are tears of frustration due to trying to overcome your immense retardation.

"P soon everysingle thing in life is gonna be automated. My wife wont have to make sandwhiches anymore. The world might fal to pieces"

Communist are fucking pussies. Im not even trying to slander them. They actually are pussies. They continually cry about the upcoming doom and how they cant handle it.

Grow some nuts you ugly cunts

>>723207121
Nice way to generalize an issue. Still didnt scare me. Keep going

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Spooks! Spooks everywhere!

>>723207125
Everyone else said that fascism wins in OP's pic. They are wrong.

If you believe otherwise then you need to work on your reading comprehension

>>723199817
It doesn't work. It's a good idea in a perfect world, but the real world isn't perfect.

>>723202505
Misleading. Highgate Cemetery is owned and maintained by a charity who charge for a guided tour of the many notable graves, not just Marx.

The fees are used to maintain the grounds and the 50,000 graves on site, not just the bearded knobsocket

>>723206999
>>723207044
>>723207056
There is literally no hope for the US with idiots like you around, especially when you're no outnumbering people like me. You seriously just CANNOT see how the system is eating itself. You're under the delusion that you're going to be rich one day because "it's the American dream".

Chances are your own jobs are going to be replaced down the line, and you won't be able "go get another job" because it's not that easy when you're competing with millions of people trying to do the exact same thing because job market keeps fucking shrinking.

Oh and me, I did lose my engineering job of 27 years, not because of automation, or outsourcing, but yet another lovely benefit of Capitalism. Getting rid of the loyal worker for someone cheaper. All because someone has somehow convinced my moronic fucking American brothers that Unions ARE BAD!"

>>723207284
>generalizes an issue
>"How dare you do the same thing!"

>>723207230
Meanwhile you'll be crying to mommy when you lose your fucking job... if you even have one.

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>>723199817

>>723207469
>>723206999
Don't lump me in with those idiots. I was trying to demonstrate that everything that makes it "capitalism" is what makes it inherently unsustainable

>>723207633
Sorry.

>>723207718
I appreciate this level of courtesy on an anonymous image board. Thank you

>>723207356
>rock beats scissors
>scissors beats paper
>paper beats rock
>repeat forever

Your fucking words. Holy shit, drink bleach.

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>>723202080
>>723202053
Forgot one

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>>723199817
alt-right is real. BEST GOVERMMENT IDEOLOGY!

>>723207939
>acknowledges the infinite loop
>still thinks paper wins
You really need to work on that reading comprehension

>>723207625
>Capitalism
>Always one 3rd world country away from a monopoly

>>723208080
The point is that the OP was saying Communism beats everything, are you seriously this fucking retarded? You can't tell from the way the picture is structured that the OP is obviously in favor of communism?

>>723208384
The point is I never said that one won over the other. I have always stated that they go in a loop forever.

Can you link a post where I say something different?

Pick up a book and work on that reading comprehension

>>723207469
Someone's salty. You must have been a shit engineer if your company would just replace you like that. You only have yourself to blame.

>>723208970
>"Hey Bill, did you know we could hire on a whole new team of engineers for easily half what we're paying the current team?"
>"Fuckin' sweet do it up!"
Sounds like a shitty engineer to me

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>>723199817
not is their made out of rock

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>>723209511

>tfw I make a grammatical error in my witty response

>>723209587
>shitty response
Fucking autocorrect

>>723209252
No. It's a downside of unchecked Capitalism. They will fuck you to make money, plain and simple.

Morons like you get fucked. I'm now working in Canada for a job with a Union so I can't get fucked like that again.

I'm going to laugh my balls off when shit eventually collapses and you tards will be all like "what the fuck happened?"

>>723208703
You aren't the OP.

>>723200921
Anyone else getting pissed off by how you can't zoom in but then realise it's a .gif
> communism is shitty

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>>723209780

w8 a min...

SHitty?

Witty?

u did a funny

>>723199817
Because faggot communism is an economic theory not a government theory.

>>723210160
>Unchecked capitalism = capitalism
>Checked capitalism = socialism/communism
So in short you do not support the idea of capitalism.

>>723210212
You have no reading comprehension

>>723199817
Moooaaar like this!
http://sextoyget.com/quest-prostate-10x-bullet-blue-p47137.html

Fuck off, Antifa.

>>723210442
>implying governments aren't supposed to regulate the economy