Most people are stupid. There is no god, no spooks, no ghosts,

Thanks for the info man. Really turned my life around

>>723158273
Anytime!

Bait like this is typically more successful during peak American hours.

>>723158273

kek'd hard, thanks /bro

>>723158190
Follow the white rabbit down the Rabbithole

lol at babies first existential crisis

You're an intelligent freethinker sir.

asshole's didn't even give you a good argument

>>723158190
>No aliens
wat? That's pure conjecture anon.
>Size does matter
Well, that's contextual. If you need to pick up a 10tonne block of shit in one go; you're not going to use a standard spade for that. It's too small, as are your puny human arms.

>>723158190
Nah, Jesus is the way, bro. :-)

>>723158566
In your head, he is. Not in the real world.

but just by saying his name you are implying he actually existed
but how can you know ssuch a thing
unless you are thousands of years old

>>723158190
ok

Explain magnets then fucker.

>>723158607
He's a fraud, he's made up. He can exist in fiction but not in reality.

NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE NOISE *TRUMPETS SOUNDED IN MAXIMUM VOLUME* NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET NO QUIET *SLAPS OP*

#FUCKYOULAWRENCE #FUCKYOUDAVID #FUCKYOUSPENCER #FUCKYOULILA #FUCKYOUCHANTAL #FUCKYOUPATCH #FUCKYOUMIKAELA #FUCKYOUJACOB

7 http://share.pho.to/9pz0f #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
5 http://share.pho.to/9gkN3 #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
3 http://share.pho.to/9gkSN #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
3 http://share.pho.to/9hWtH #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES

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FUCK YOU, LIGHTBEARER CHRISTIAN ACADEMY!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!

I WANT TO MISBEHAVE IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT TO SHOUT AND YELL AND SCREAM IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT TO SEE CHILDREN WEARING THEIR UNDERWEAR IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WANT TO KICK YOU OR ONE OF YOUR STUDENTS IN THE MOTHERFUCKING ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#FUCKYOULAWRENCE #FUCKYOUDAVID #FUCKYOUSPENCER #FUCKYOULILA #FUCKYOUCHANTAL #FUCKYOUPATCH #FUCKYOUMIKAELA #FUCKYOUJACOB

7 http://share.pho.to/9pz0f #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
5 http://share.pho.to/9gkN3 #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
3 http://share.pho.to/9gkSN #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES
3 http://share.pho.to/9hWtH #KILLALLTHEFUCKINGMONARCHIES

>>723158637
THIS. EXPLAIN MAGNETS FUCKER

>>723158653
so why do people follow that book if its all bullshit
are people insane?

>>723158769
Because they all need something beyond the verifiable.

>>723158190
>>723158302
>>723158591
>>723158653
tip tip tip m' lady

>>723158815
why?

>>723158854
No idea, they want to think what they want to think.

hey faggots, who fucking created the universe? There is an important physics law that states "everything is created from something"

>>723158928

moron even if god created the universe what created god if everything is created from something then that creation needs a creator

>>723158890
so they want to think something they have decided makes sense to them while ignoring other possibilities just so they can be happy?

>>723158928
The Big Bang possibly did. If God is real then where the fuck did he come from?

>>723158971
that's what we don't know dipshit, But something had to create all this crap

>>723159004
your mothers ass

edgy teenager cant even get this right
regardless of religion jesus was real and existed, kill yourself lardass

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>>723158566

>>723159004
I'm not defending religion, bitch. also who created the huge ball of matter that supposedly exploded in the Big Bang theory?

nice but I hate niggers

Religion was created to give rules to people and keep people in line from having a free perspective to do whatever they want, religion controls people's actions. those people are weak minded and need something to give them motivation

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>>723158190

Ok how does it feel to be a virgin?

>>723158190
These wounds, they will not heaaaaaal

>>723159095
the guy who made two and a half men

>>723158190
Jesus was a real person though, and there are several historical sources that confirm that

>>723158928
>who fucking created the universe
>"everything is created from something"
Something != someone
If "someone" created the universe
then "something" created "god" (aka "someone")

If "someone" created "god" then who created "someone"? You get stuck in a logical loop, of "someone" created "something" then who created "someone"?
"someone(1)" created "someone" then who created "someone(1)". "someone(2)" created "someone(1)" but then who created "someone(2)" this goes on infinitely, and the universe never actually gets created because all the "someones" are just making other "someones".

ARE U SURE OP??? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u0kmTHIVo WATCH THIS FAGGET

>>723159120
sexually frustrated and horny as hell

>>723158190
I'm pretty sure you're just shit-posting, but on the off-chance you aren't, I'll bite. What makes you think something existing inside your head makes it less real? Our experience of the world -- what Kant referred to as the representational world -- is reality. The archetypal personality fragments which are built into the structure of the brain, and which people call gods or demons or spirits, are *more* real than you or me, not less, because they are eternal in the noosphere so long as our species survives.

>>723159203
Doesn't that make it more interesting though? I mean, what the fuck is all of this in the whole grand scheme of things.

>>723159192
>reading books
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!!!!

>>723159304
oh enough with the metaphysical BULLSHIT. There is an objective reality that exists whether or not you're overthinking it.

Jeez wow nobody has ever said this ever wow. Someone call the head of all religions, this neckbeard s cracked the code

>>723159387
>There is an objective reality that exists
This is an axiomatic statement of faith. This isn't a problem, except that you just finished calling metaphysics "bullshit" in the previous sentence. Empiricism can't make truth claims, since truth is a metaphysical quality. Thus your axiom is self-negating and therefore provably wrong.

Incidentally, you're demonstrating why science is and can only be one of three different ways of obtaining knowledge. In the Aristotlian model, the three ways of obtaining knowledge are empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, the application of pure rationalism is philosophy, and the application of pure revelation is mysticism. For a holistic understanding, all three are necessary.

>>723159589
It's surprising isn't it

>>723159316
>Doesn't that make it more interesting though?
Yes, it does. I don't dismiss the idea that there could be a "living creator". It's entirely possible that someone created this, namely because of all the flaws inside of our universe.
But, the idea that because "something" created the universe, therefore that "something" has to be God, I do not agree with.

>I mean, what the fuck is all of this in the whole grand scheme of things.

Just a grain of sand at the bottom of the ocean, to put it into a physical metaphor. I doubt humanity will ever find the actual answer to that question, though.

I like this from TNG:

>"I have a question, sir."

>"Yes Data, what is it?"

>"What... is death?"

>"Oh, is that all? Oh, Data, you're asking probably the most difficult of all questions.
>Some see it as a changing into an indestructible form, forever unchanging; they believe that the purpose of the entire universe is to maintain that form in an earth-like garden which will give delight and pleasure through all eternity.
>On the other hand, there are those who hold to the idea of our blinking into nothingness. That all of our experiences and hopes and dreams, merely a delusion."

>"Which do you believe, sir?"

>"Considering the marvelous complexity of the universe, its... clockwork perfection, its balances of this against that, matter, energy, gravitation, time, dimension, I believe that our existence must be more than either of these philosophies.
>That what we are goes beyond Euclidean or other "practical" measuring systems, and that our existence is part of a reality beyond what we understand now as reality."

>- Nagilum as Data and the real Picard, "Where Silence Has Lease"

>>723159631
Here we have the fucking oracle, more please

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>>723159263
Sex isn't that great just a little bit better than jacking off and my girl can't jack my dick off for shit it fucking hurts

>>723159716
Yeah I feel you. And like you said, the creator probably isn't the "god" that everyone portrays. Someone probably abused the idea and created religion (probably for his own benefits, which makes it kind of ironic really)

>>723159115
some religious fag please respond

>>723159791
I was actually applying rationalism in this case, not revelation, so your response makes zero sense. Do you plan to try arguing in good faith, or are you just going to shit-post? Because I won't waste any more time if that's the case.

>>723159802
i am ugly and will never have a female
and so i am wondering what your perspective is on jacking it
would you say its better not to do it
or is it better to do it as much as possible?

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>>723158190
>implying that negating everything is better than approving everything
>mfw

Why do so much people only think using extremes ? (pure no or pure yes) isn't there anything like "maybe" or "we can't know right now" ?

You're quite the same kind of guy that thought about science as some "magic, evil shenanigans" because it was new at the time.
Just wait, maybe in some centuries we might find a way to prove the existence of ghosts, or maybe travel to a parallel universe, this kind of things.

I don't say that religion isn't, most of the time, just bullshit and something that often causes lots of problems, but we can't know if there isn't anything close to a "creator" somewhere, somewhat, in the universe or maybe outside of it.
Can't prove or verify something ? just shut your mouth and move on or wait.

Im a schizo and god/angels talk to me everyday.
Also the aliens.

also a paramedic though, so cant tell anyone about this

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>>723159965
I am not sure if you are defending his statement or not, but there's not any actual scientific proof that God exists, and last time I checked I only believe in things that have proof to exist.

>>723159115
Yea yea sure it probably helped in the past. Now the world is chaos because of religion.

there is historical evidence of him being real, but i think he was just an ancient version of david blaine.
shazam

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Somebody get quads in this thread stating whether or not God exists!

>>723158591
>In your head, he is. Not in the real world.
You know, I'm okay with that.

I've come to believe in Christ because it makes sense to me.

It's similar to how I believe in evolution, because life is simpler when viewed through that lens.

I'm not going to say it's for everyone, but it's worth a look.

(Especially with Jesus/the New Covenant: all that ridiculous Talmudic nonsense is over with.)

>jesus isn't real
do people actually think this?

>>723158190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u0kmTHIVo

>>723160246
Actually wait nevermind that will take forever.

>>723160246
If the post claims God is real or not real, they are right, only if it is quads or more.

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>>723160272
>Jesus is real
Do people really think this?

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>>723160105
I'm both agreeing to and attacking his statement, just different parts of it.
Yeah sure, there aren't any scientific proofs for "god", but does that mean that it doesn't exist ?

what do you think about it, do you think it does or does not exist ? or is it that you don't know, so you don't express a one-sided judgement on the matter ?

>>723160308
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus
do you need more explanation or am i being trolled

>>723158688
you need jesus in your life

>>723158738
magmetism, nonfucker

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>>723160105

>I think that something does exist when if I don't have proof : Believer

>I think that something does not exist when I don't have proof : Atheism, or something like that for the general case

>I don't express myself about something's existence because I don't have proof : Agnostic / passive thinker

Choose your side.

>>723160105
There's no proof that God doesn't exist.
You've created yourself a nifty paradox there, anon.
If you need "proof" to believe "something"
Then you need "proof" to believe the "opposite of something"
That is to say, you need proof that "God" doesn't exist in order to believe "God" doesn't exist.

There is no proof for, or against "God".
What is your belief, you can neither believe in nor believe against "God" by your own logic.

>>723159095
a singularity

>>723158190
Thank you for your blog update faggot

>>723160632
And please, if you have the specific words for the last two in the general case, do tell me, I'd love to get more vocabulary, it always helps.

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>>723160673
>There's no proof that God doesn't exist.
or fluffy the purple wonder duck
>You've created yourself a nifty paradox there, anon.
>If you need "proof" to believe "something"
>Then you need "proof" to believe the "opposite of something"
nope
>That is to say, you need proof that "God" doesn't exist in order to believe "God" doesn't exist.
>There is no proof for, or against "God".
>What is your belief, you can neither believe in nor believe against "God" by your own logic.
poo poo pants dicky bum

>>723161114
>nope
Yep.
>poo poo pants dicky bum
pee pee pants stinky head

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>>723159954
Just don't go overboard on it m8 I use to be addicted to jacking off

>>723160681
And this singularity Who created this?
The logical answer is that there is a creator in the higher dimensions which we cannot comprehend

>>723161493
i can only knock one out once every other day anyway

>>723161525
You've got some issues with your logic there, anon.
You're jumping from "I don't know what did it" to "God dun it!" without any rhyme or reason.

There could be all of these singularities outside of our universe waiting for another one to just bump into it and create a whole nother universe.
Maybe our universe was created by some dweeb in his basement trying to find some really efficient form of electricity.

Why did someone have to create the singularity? Maybe a number of particles outside of the universe got too close together and sucked each other in due to some unknown force.
Maybe our universe is just a particle inside of some larger being. Who lives in the actual universe.

What you're doing is the equivalent of seeing a light in the sky, then saying "I don't know what that is" and then jumping to the conclusion that the light you see must be an alien invader.
There is no logic behind your argument.

>>723161319
>>nope
>Yep.
nope
>>poo poo pants dicky bum
>pee pee pants stinky head
piss piss flappy doodle

>>723161525
>And this singularity Who created this?
i don't know and neither do you. who says it's a 'who' anyway rather than a 'what'?

>The logical answer is that there is a creator in the higher dimensions which we cannot comprehend
that creator isn't necessarily a god. it could be a phenomenon.

>>723161601
Jacking off is okay, porn is the harmful part.

>>723158190
>most people are stupid
the majority of humans on earth are stupid, yes

>There is no god, no spooks, no ghosts, no spirits, no miracles, no destiny, no aliens, the "meaning of life" is procreation, everything on earth must kill everything on earth just to survive, there IS such a thing as a stupid question, and size does matter, time travel is not possible, there is no future, only the present and the past.
Who are you to define what is what ?

>Religion only exists inside of your head, God is in your head, not in the real world. Jesus' birthday is not on Christmas, if he was fucking real then his birthday would be in the spring. Sins are petty fictional laws that have done nothing but put stress onto others because their mind is held hostage. Religion causes brain damage, it messes up the way you think.
Well, it's true that if you need a imaginary friend to have a purpose in life, then it is quite sad.

>When you die, you no longer exist, your brain is shut down.
See point 2

>Everything in life happens naturally
Depend of context

>Jesus isn't real
He did existed actually

> if he was then he made everything up about God and started a cult.
Most likely

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>>723162841
Back to radditz

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>>723158190
Aliens could exist though.
Just saying.

>>723158738
What the hell do magnets have to do with god?

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>>723162963
You're right

>>723162932
Never stayed on reddit, don't understand their posting system

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>>723163100

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>>723163094
Of course i am.

>>723163203
ok

>>723161525

god of the gaps

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>>723163281

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>>723158190
>Atheists:
"It's perfectly reasonable that the universe was created out of nothing"
>Also Atheists:
"No, the same thing is impossible for Jesus Christ!"

>>723158190
well said anon. I agree. Refreshing to hear, actually.

Although I do think other life is possible somewhere in some galaxy. I don't think they fly to earth to look in our bums...
to traditional aliens don't exist, yes.
But there could be life out there somewhere, you have no idea. (nor does anyone else)

>No spooks
You mean spies or scary situations involving supernatural phenomena?
Also, to belive aliens don't exist is naive. They may not have visited us, because the vastness of space and whatnot, but it would be silly to think no life exists elsewhere in the universe.

>>723158190

you're incorrect. i saw the future once. i keep trying to make the story simple so i'll try again (i'm wasted).

i had a dream where some irritating hick faggot in a pink cowboy shirt came around a corner with a beer.

i hated alcohol, only smoked weed and did LSD. i was 1000 miles from the city where i met that guy at a call center. i was making good money. then, the company crashed and i moved 1000 miles and met my old buddy, met my new weed dealer, at his house i got a 10 strip of LSD, and then weed dealer sold me an ounce but i think to test me out, made me go with him to another apartment to deliver weed. at that apartment, i saw the exact two seconds of my dream. the future is just a recording. "god" showed me. this IS "the matrix" but i think it's for "rehabilitation". we get whatever life to make us "learn" a "lesson". this must be like, not my first time or i'm a prodigy and god showed me the future to know it.

i'm an ordained minister with the universal life church. i can perform weddings. i absolve all sins because we have NO FREE WILL. i don't believe "jesus" ever existed and if he did, he was just an puppet of some scam. my psychic hint tells me it was a company that sold sea salt; which was useful for keeping meat from spoiling. my religion is called "actuality". because the future is a recording, the meaning of life is the experience. pay attention to it. that's the point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h9X9IqZvi0

>>723163438
The universe wasn't created from nothing.

>>723158190
I agree with all of that aside from the no aliens part. I refuse to believe that in all the vastness of the universe that we are all there is.

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>>723163600
So... who started it? Maybe a creator with powers to create a universe... so supernatural powers?

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>>723163438
Wow. Good job.
You really thought us a lesson about logic, faggot.

>>723163676
Maybe, or maybe the universe collapsed before expanding again, you don't know, i don't know, nobody know, and no one wil live long enough to know.

>>723163438
>Atheists:
"We don't know how the universe was created but we can safely dismiss supernatural explanations because no supernatural explanation has ever been proved to be correct about anything, at all, ever. That being said, if you wish to provide decent evidence for your supernatural claims we would be happy to reevaluate our views based on that evidence."

>Theists:
*autistic screeching*

Fixed that for you.

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>>723163676
Maybe none of the above. Something we do not know, perhaps?
Just this proves how fucking pointless all of this is. None of us will ever know how everything started at all. You are not the chosen one who will uncover the secrets of existence.

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>>723163680
>Jesus needs human parents because being born out of nothing is not logical
>The universe doesn't need a creator because my religion (atheism) does say so.

Also, that pic is a strawman

>>723158190
All of this post is true and painfully obvious. It's hard to live in a world where everyone runs around believing this ridiculous shit. You have to be a moron.

You probably have a crippling fear of uncertainty or an extreme insecurity about your intelligence to where anything you dont fully know or understand simply cant exist

either way your a fucking faggot.

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>>723163816
So an omnipotent being is bound by logic, is that what you're saying? Have you forgotten to take your meds?

>Implying atheism is a religion.
kek

>>723158190
Yeah because the universe poofed from nothing, exploded for no reason, and sat around until a single cell of life appeared out of nowhere to not only survive but mutate into all the plants, animals, and insects that have ever existed.
That theory is totally believable and makes sense in every way.
Cuck

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>>723163810
>You are not the chosen one who will uncover the secrets of existence
No, because that stuff was written down 2000 years ago

>>723163925
if you had to fill out a paper where it says "religious belief", you would put "atheism" there.

>>723159788
What arrogance in beliveing with no evidence that a particular combination of particles is more special than the others only because you arbitrarely call them life

>>723164127
You didn't answer his questions. Explain yourself.

>>723164121
Actually, your statement makes you the cuck.

>>723164127
>if you had to fill out a paper where it says "religious belief", you would put "atheism" there.
Or none, retard.

>>723158190
Your fedora must have soaked right into your brain.

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>>723164121
Because a guy that opened the dead sea in two, a random girl that was magically impregnanted and gave bith to a baby that can walk on water and transform it to wine, also a glorified pedo-goatfucker that met an angel and was maried to a 6 year old is absolutly more possible than a universe that renew itself ?

>>723164121
>what is an argument from ignorance?

here is your >>(YOU)

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>>723164127
>if you had to fill out a paper where it says "religious belief", you would put "atheism" there.
We might as well say bald is a hair color.

>that stuff was written down 2000 years ago
You weren't around 2000 years ago. What if it was written by a schizophrenic with AIDs? We'll never know.

theoretically is it possible for there to be nothing at all? instinctively most of us would perhaps presume nothing should be all that exists, BUT, if you can define nothing, then ultimately it's SOMETHING, so can NOTHING truly exist?

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>>723164541
>We might as well say bald is a hair color
No, but a hair style. And that's exactly my point.

>>723164541
>What if it was written by a schizophrenic with AIDs? We'll never know.
I know. And I also know what you are risking by saying that.

I am fairly certain Hell exists, I am either there or well on my way. Also https://youtu.be/LZkuYsFcLy8

>>723158190
>no aliens

wrong on that but everything else is right

>>723159802
Same. Wrong thread tho

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>>723165122
>No, but a hair style. And that's exactly my point.
And that's exactly why you need psychiatric help.

>I know. And I also know what you are risking by saying that.
You're either over 2000 years old or just retarded beyond help.

>>723158190
God or Jesus may not be real, I don't know either way, and neither do you. What I do know is compared to smaller life forms (ants, microbial life etc.) we are a "higher power", so it would stand to reason that a higher power than us would exist. There is also overwhelming, obtrusive evidence that something other than just human our form of intelligent life exists. I don't care if this is a troll. I'm not even mad.

>>723165122
>I know. And I also know what you are risking by saying that.
ooooooh. time to get fear from the toolkit

>>723163680
Neat.

>>723165443
>compared to smaller life forms we are a "higher power"

Not really. Even just ants outnumber us, and they also do a lot of things that humans think puts them above animals. And we most certainly have little to no power over the ant population worldwide.

>>723160520
Lolol

>>723158190
wew lad relly made me think, I hate jesus now

I an Jesus

Just like that thread of finding a gf tomorrow, I am not really Jesus. Because if I did, then I would be Jesus.

>>723158190
dumb fag. thanks for telling us shit we know.


im going back to fapping to traps

>>723160111
Yeah now religious people are reading too far into it

>>723165715

Yes really.

We could if we wanted to, but there is no reason to, ants buy and large are good for our environment. The fact that they out number us is irrelevant.

>It's possible that something created the universe
>Therefore that something must be my depiction of God

How can people use this sort of backward ass logic and not see the issues with it?

>It's possible that the Lochness monster exists
>I saw a figure under the water
>therefore, that figure must be the Lochness monster

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>>723165473
You should fear hell. Even if you think theres only a 1:1000000000 chance that it exists, being in hell is infinitely bad. And if you multiply 0,0000000001 with infinite, you get infinitely bad. So be aware of that!

>>723158987
I doubt they made the decision that it "makes sense to them" by themselves. It's almost unilaterally affixed within peoples' minds in childhood through indoctrination, and sharing myths under the pretense of historical fact.

>>723163485
no you didnt

>>723159076
Is there any extra-biblical contemporary historical source that confirms that? Not to my knowledge.

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Ugh this thread again? Just like the other 10,000+ threads like this...

>I can't prove he exists
>you can't prove he doesn't

And then the whole thread descends into "faggot,idiot,autist etc.."

>>723159095
Is it easier to assume God just was first and then created it, or that the energy just was?

>>723159192
Such as...?

>>723166407
hell = helle = sheol = the grave.
fear my balls instead

>>723159631
"I took a freshman intro-philosophy course and now I know everything about the physical/metaphysical world" the post

>>723158738

Some rocks don't like each other, so they won't touch, but if you turn one around, the other will try to backstab it.

> dummy

>>723159631
>For a holistic understanding, your mom can garble my dick

>>723166524

Why?

>>723160720

> sanity

>>723166583
http://coldcasechristianity com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/

>>723160270
Not to argue, cause you clearly would rather just believe whatever you want and cherry pick the bible anyway, but doesn't he say that he DOESN'T invalidate any of the OT decrees? "Not a single tit nor tithe," or whatever?

>>723166613
>And then the whole thread descends into "faggot,idiot,autist etc.."

That describes every thread on /b/ tho

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>>723158190
About time someone has the balls to come out and say it.

>>723160379
I don't know. I don't know for certain that gravity is real. But there's a hell of a whole lot of evidence it is. This is not so for God. So, were I to decide I believe in him, I would be doing that in the face of an utter lack of evidence. Is there anything else I could believe in this fashion that we couldn't quickly and painlessly label as insanity? I can believe basically anything if I just dismiss every indication of all reality. This is what is required to believe in Jesus/god, and it is used by charlatans to manipulate gullible people, into accepting a non extant version of reality, which they then use to control your thoughts, words, perceptions, and actions. If there is a God, he transcends any single religious view.

>>723158769
Yes

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>>723158190
Just think, in 10 years you'll be saying how much having children changed your life

>>723160632
I would say there's a whole hell of a lot of proof that God doesn't exist (at least the Christian/biblical conception of him) I.E. an utter lack of "miracles," the internal inconsistency of biblical text, as well as the obvious failure of prophecies to come to fruition; specifically the prophecy that says if you truly believe in God he will give you magical powers.

>>723158190
The past doesn't exist.

>>723160673
"There's no proof that God doesn't exist."
Not how burden of proof works. You don't work to prove a negative claim. All you need to do at that point is point out the claim is not yet proven. Easy.

>>723167019
>coldcasechristianity com
>about the author
> After becoming a Christ follower in 1996, Jim continued to take an evidential approach to truth as he examined the Christian worldview. He eventually earned a Master’s Degree in Theological Studies from Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary.

Well this totally looks like an unbiased source.

Yeah he was not a christ. He was just a man. A rebel who lead 2 billion people out of the real religion judaism. He is with `Eloah now.

>>723166407
I am already reprobate und irredeemable.

>>723160673
You cannot prove that invisible tree fairies don't exist - that does not lend any credibility to their existence. Your pseudo-intellectual argument is only persuasive to 12 year olds. GTFO

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>>723167860
It's not too late. Seek Jesus.

>>723163816
>No supernatural explanation has ever held up under scrutiny.
>But I'm sure my supernatural explanation is correct despite that.
>It's totally not because I'm emotionally dependent on the idea that it is.

FTFY

>>723158190
If you think you have all the anwers, you are doing it wrong

Jesus is real. I had to say that.

>>723164121
We get it.
You're dumb.
Congratulations.

Christfags, is there any other far fetched and/or magic things you believe in by default because you can't prove a negative?

>>723167211
This is true, sad but true

>>723168146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytaf30wuLbQ

>>723164127
Do you know at all the process through which the bible was created? Because we do have historical recordings of that, and it's origin is hardly miraculous or supernatural. In fact, the bible you read today has tens of thousands of differences from the oldest one we know of. Funny how the unchanging immovable omniscient word of God has changed so much, huh? Funny how whatever contemporary powerful political figure wants to change about the story gets changed, huh? Almost like it's all a big scam that needs to intermittently be updated to the scammer's needs, huh?

>No aliens
How do you lnow this? Have you been to every planet in existence? And if earth is the only planet with life wouldn't that be more in support of the existence of the christian god rather than discredit him?

>>723167986
Jesus invented communism.

>>723158190
>Most people are stupid.
Not true at all, it's just most people don't use their intelligence in correct/productive ways. There are actually not that many truly stupid people, and even then, most of that is through ignorance, not lack of mental agility.
>There is no god, no spooks, no ghosts, no spirits, no miracles, no destiny
Correct.
>no aliens
Statistically fucking laughable, though there is a pretty good chance they have never visited earth.
>he "meaning of life" is procreation
I think meaning is entirely what you want to take from it. What gives someone "meaning" is a vague concept and should stay out of discussions. I.e. the "meaning of life" is a retarded statement. And it's also not simply reproduction.
>everything on earth must kill everything on earth just to survive
Bro, do you even biology? There is mounting evidence to suggest that cooperation in evolutionary history has been far, far more advantageous that competition for pretty much all species. Though both forms of development certainly do exist.
>time travel is not possible
Yes is is. You are traveling through time right now. And in general relativity, you can experience time at different rates relative to other observers. So you can actually travel back or forward in time, just not in your own reference frame. I.e. if you speed up or slow down sufficiently, you can experience "less" or "more" time relative to another frame. You can time travel.

cont.

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>>723167623
>>723167944
I believe both of you dickwads missed the basis of my post.

My post had nothing to do with the actual existence of god. It was dealing purely with one's belief in, or against "God"
The anon I originally replied to said he only believes in things that have proof. Therefore following his own logic, he must disbelieve things only after they have been disproven.
Therefore, he cannot disbelieve in "God" because there is no evidence against "God".

To clarify, I was not saying "since there is no evidence god doesn't exist, therefore he must exist." I'm merely saying "I only believe in things that have proof" is not a valid belief when dealing with something as complex as the idea of "God"

>>723166209
Your comparison is lackluster at best, and it hardly constitutes proof of a higher power.

>>723158190
I'm with ya OP.

Except for the time travel isn't possible thing. Forward time travel is at speeds closer to the speed of light.

>>723158190
You are free tobelieve whatever you want, faggot. Guess what? Same goes for me. When Raptor Jesus sodomizes you wirh his barbed dick for being a heretic, I am going to be sitting in a lawn chair, drinking beer and eating a hot dog, not five feet away.

>>723160520
For what exactly?

>>723158190
Was he a ghost or angel or a god

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>>723158190
come back when you've read Schopenhauer, punk!

>>723166407
Do you know the bible says practically nothing about hell, other than the fire and brimstone? Torture? Nope. The devil? Nada. Eternal damnation? Nuh-uh. Transubstantiation, which is supposedly required to save you from hell? Not a damn thing. Huh, it's almost like they're making this shit up as they go to use fear to undermine rational thinking and elicit reactionary thinking in the name of protecting a non existent "soul." (whatever the hell that is)

>>723158769
Why do people follow the Quran? Or the Baghavad Gita? Or the Tao Te Ching?
You do realize how retarded your statement was, no?

>>723167986
I have, he ignored me.

>>723166964
Why what?

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>>723158190
there is god and he ALWAYS WATCHES OVER YOU

>>723168606
So you believe in all supernatural things?

>>723168864
"Wicked will be vast into the sea of fire."

Yeah, not a thing.

And "transubstantiation" is the theological term for the metaphysics of communion, which is specifically supported by the text.

Fuck, I'm not even Christian and I know this. Quit pretending to understand a religion you obviously know nothing about.

>>723161525
Who created your creator?

>>723167019
CONTEMPORARY. HISTORICAL. As in; "I'm such-and-such historian that lived in the supposed era of Jesus. Totally saw him throw out the money changers, or cover the land in supernatural darkness for three days, or resurrect or whatever, and I wrote about that, cause what the fuck kind of historian wouldn't? Oh yeah, all the rest of every other contemporary historians from my time period. I wonder if that's a powerful indication of the veracity of certain claims about divinity/the supernatural, that supposedly happened right outside my damn window, but I was busy that day scrawling boobs in the mud (what I imagine pre-television people did for entertainment.)"

>>723158190
> there is no future, only the present and the past.
Quantum theory assigns expectation values which are probabilities for an even to occur. On the quantum scale, this is a clear percentage of likelihood, but if you transition to macroscopic regimes, the probabilities converge to one value.
Essentially, small, isolated systems have no defined future, but macroscopic systems obey a quasi-deterministic framework. Causality is a fact doe.
>Religion only exists inside of your head
I agree completely, but that makes in no les real for people who can't into science properly.
>Religion causes brain damage, it messes up the way you think.
It can be very beneficial in terms of someone's personal contentment and state of mind, but it severely damages your deductive skills and makes you subscribe to some dodgy moral practices. Also, when looked at impartially and objectively, people worshiping look really silly.
>When you die, you no longer exist,
Almost certainly true.
>Jesus isn't real
Well there are several impartial sources (Jewish Pharisees, Roman documents etc) that clearly indicate the existence of Jesus and largely agree with some events of the Bible. So yeah, he did exist.
>he made everything up about God and started a cult.
Yep, though it's likely he believed it himself, seeing as he gained no obvious advantages from it.

>>723169053
also, yer a fag so he probably doesnt watch over you

>>723158190
I dunno about Jesus specifically... or God or what not... but I'm pretty sure 'aliens' exist somewhere.
The universe is REALLY big yo... like, fucking huge. Bigger than your mom's ass, even. (Sorry, someone had to say it...)

Assuming we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe, is pretty presumptuous.

>>723169089
I neither believe in nor against them.
I merely concede that it is possible that they exist.

>>723167986
>God is Jesus
>Jesus is God
>God is omniscient
>Knew I would become a "sinner"/"go astray" when he made me
>Is now going to condemn me to hell unless I apologize for being the way he made me
>Does this all because...?

>>723158190
Ghosts are real anon
> energy can't be created or destroyed
> when you die if you have very bad negative thoughts in a place it creates a negative presence (ghost spook what have you)
> brain waves are emoted when we think/ focus
> waves are a form of energy
> these waves imprint themselves into a spot
> this is why psychics feel the "vibe/energy" of a room
> when we die our dying thoughts most likely stay technically in our dying spot

>>723169222

While I agree that we're probably not the only form of life in the universe, there's no guarantee that there's "intelligent" life anywhere else.

But hell, even if it's just some microbial beings floating around in puddles on some undiscovered satellite, there's probably some other life form in the universe.

Hell, I think panspermia is a totally plausible explanation for how life ended up here on Earth.

We already know that there are planets out there with the necessary conditions for what we know as "life" to form. (water, organic precursors, etc.)

>>723169379
So you're a gullible idiot. I hope a Nigerian prince emails you with a great offer

I think god is and was greater than universe and multiverse . he made the universe with some laws so that it itself harvest life at some point , everything is created by something , one may ask then who created God? answer : no one! he was always there a 10 dimentional being, he created this cycle that things should be created from something so that people could reach him , one may ask if he is an infinte being then why did he created humans, beings that could think, love, get emotional , maybe because he wants experience being a limited being , maybe thats why he says he created us in his image!!


Those who believe in god or those who dont all agree that if there is a god there is a reason for this universe and if there isnt any then the universe is meaning less , if we look rationally we are in a time in universe where we can see its expantion and presume about big bang, our planet is perfect to sustain life , the probabilty that life can be else where is there but we havent found any , its estimated that if we dont find life in our universe in next 100 years then there isnt any life , then there is fermi paradox , all these things indicate that there is god , but if he is there then why dont he shows himself , maybe because if we know there is a god we wont act freely and thats whats he want to see

>>723168606
>I believe both of you dickwads missed the basis of my post.

No, I got it. It's just vapid and dumb special pleading to shoo away the burden of proof.

>Therefore following his own logic, he must disbelieve things only after they have been disproven.

Or... if they've never been proven in the first place? Or they've never given a compelling reason to believe in the first place? You are clearly contorting your thinking, hence only compelling to retards/12yo's. Try looking at it from a non-believers point of view, and you might not bombard bias on your own train of thought so much.

>I'm merely saying "I only believe in things that have proof" is not a valid belief when dealing with something as complex as the idea of "God"

Without some kind of parameters on what constitutes a valid/provable belief, God can basically be any completely wrong dumb and unprovable assertion as the one that a rib woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat fruit from a magic tree, and that's why the world sucks.

>>723158190
If you believe you're the only living being in the entire solar system than you're fucking absolutely retarded. I get it it's the ignorance if humans but damn you're retarded

>>723169568
Also I have a story
>be me
>work pest control
> be very sensitive to energy
> walk around area to look for bugs nbd
> walk into all rooms so far nbd
>walk into one room
>sense a weird presence in the room
> get image of an old lady in my head
> weirds me out but nbd
>decide to ask homeowners who owned the house before them
>mfw "an old lady anon"
>mfw vibe stuck with me until like 5ish or so minutes after I left
> wasn't negative but creepy

jesus is here https://www.instagram.com/memeoriiez/

>>723158190
>> life only exists in one planet because entire galaxies revolve around human egos

>>723169568
How do you know that "brain waves imprint to a """spot""" when we die."

What evidence even comes close to suggesting anything like this?

>>723169104
Most Christians think this, yes. However, it does not actually hold up at all. I literally said it says practically nothing "except FIRE and brimstone" and you posted a quote about FIRE as if that proves it wrong? Read it again, dumbfuck. Nothing in there about transubstantiation. Try again dipshit.

>>723169851
That's a lot of assumptions.

>>723158190
>> claims human life isnt special
>> thinks we're the only living being in an ever expanding universe

Pick one

>>723169379
So, by your own logic, shouldn't you be drinking your own piss so that you don't offend the hindu goddess Kalki, destroyer of filth? Also, shouldn't you be sacrificing the occasional warrior to please the Viking gods? Afterall, you concede it's possible that they exist. Why is Jesus the more serious claim than any of these, that we scoff at?

>>723169568

You're misinterpreting the word "energy."

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, but it's constantly radiating out of you. Your physical body consumes other organisms so that it can break them down and convert them into energy, to keep you alive.

When you die (or when anything dies), your metabolic processes stop - your body stops circulating oxygen, so your brain cells no longer have the precursors needed to continue firing.

The thermal energy within your body leaves shortly after death - your body stops generating it, and it's lost to your surroundings through conduction.

Potential energy (the organic, viable compounds within your body) remain, but they are consumed by other organisms like insects, bacteria, and fungi.

Consciousness is a kinetic product, not an objective resource.

When the neurons stop firing, 'you' are gone.

Do you also doubt the existence of giants in the past? Not only does the bible talk about giants but also books that were left out of the bible, like Enoch. The scribes in ancient times couldn't just go to staples and get pens/paper so writing things down (especially sandscrit) was incredibly difficult. Did they do all of this for shits n giggles? Or Ido you think maybe there is some truth there?

>>723169851
What's the difference between saying "god always existed" and saying "the natural process which created the universe always existed?"

Does the god one just make you feel better? Because the other phrase is more logically sound. Implying god had intent and intelligence further implies that he/she/it must have learned it from somewhere - hence the idea of he/she/it just always existing and having it is retarded.

You can solve this entire thread with this.

Nothing matters.
Nobody cares.
Kill yourself.

Fucking moraaaans

>>723169568
That is a load of shit

>>723170354

Yeah, none of it really matters.

Nihilism is truth.

>>723158190
>> thinks human life isn't special
>> devalues the fact that being self aware is more than amazing

>>723170336
Just silly.

>"Some people wrote it when it was slightly difficult to write things so it must be true!"

>>723170336
>Do you also doubt the existence of giants in the past?
Yes

>Not only does the bible talk about giants but also books that were left out of the bible, like Enoch.
Then every books that ever existed tell the truth to ?

>The scribes in ancient times couldn't just go to staples and get pens/paper so writing things down (especially sandscrit) was incredibly difficult.
Maybe for us, for formed scribes it was surely easier to write things on clay.

>Did they do all of this for shits n giggles?
don't question human's stupidity

>>723169741
In what way does that make me gullible?
>>723169853
I can't tell if you're baiting me, if you're retarded, or if my post went that far over your head.
I am not a theist, I do not strictly believe that "God" does exist. Merely that there is a possibility that "he" could exist.

>Anon says I only believe in things that are proven
The opposite of this must be true, or else there is no validity to this belief. If you only believe things that are proven. But, disbelieve things even if they aren't disproven then you're just being ignorant and can't even follow your own belief system.
>Therefore I do not believe in things that have not been proven
This violates the aforementioned rule of belief.

>I believe God does not exist; because there is no proof that God does exist.
This statement violates his own belief system. Because there is no proof for or against god. Therefore believing in, or against god does is an invalid belief when following anons belief system.

I don't know how to make what I'm trying to say any more clear than that.

>>723170347
That if we assume there's noting behind the big bang

>>723170770
You're either a complete fucking idiot, or you're intentionally misunderstanding burden of proof. Either way, I'm done with your pathetic dishonesty. You should try being more honest with yourself.

>>723158190
Correction, ALL people are stupid.

>>723170900
What? If you meant, "that's if we assume there's nothing behind the Big Bang," that doesn't make sense. The Big Bang was a natural process according to everything we currently know and understand. Who is saying there is nothing behind it? I don't get what you're trying to imply.

>>723158190
>>723158190
Time travel is possible though, you retarded. It's just either you have to go seconds per year or otherwise you need better technology to go really really fast

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>>723170545
>self aware is more than amazing
self awareness and consciousness aren't facts but possibilities of human being.
also elephants, wales, dolphins, ravens and octopuses.
consciousness isn't a point of no return, it's a way to chose again and again day after day.
lurking 4chan, pumping fast food and wanking on rekt threads isn't conscious at all.

>>723170900

Well I mean, the majority of matter and energy within our universe is something we can't even directly observe or identify - dark matter and dark energy.

There's definitely something "behind" the big bang, but secular people who see science as our most logical codex don't really claim to know exactly what is behind the big bang.


The answer basically is, "We don't know, but we WANT to know, and we have people working on it. Let's figure it out together."

>>723171307
>What's the difference between saying "god always existed" and saying "the natural process which created the universe always existed?"
which imply that there was no creation.

>>723171157
There's nothing to misunderstand about the burden of proof. It's simply the person who is claiming something to be true has to carry the (burden) of (proving) the thing they believe to be true. I'm not a fucking idiot.

BUT I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BURDEN OF PROOF NUMBNUTS.
I
AM
TALKING
ABOUT
ANONS
BELIEF
SYSTEM.
Jesus fucking christ.
Are you that willfully ignorant? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? Do you even know what you're arguing against? Are you being a shithead just to be a shithead?
Try re-reading my post without your retarded ass bias.

>>723171307

Well, we actually don't really know as much about how the big bang happened as we think we do. We have a good estimate - but we still don't fully understand it.

See my post:

>>723171449

>>723171454

There probably wasn't.

I mean, if you believe in magical beings, then there could have been - but within the physical world, nothing is "created."

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>>723158637
>>723158738

>Not knowing that magnets have pieces of gravity trapped inside them from the big bang

>>723171513
So you really are that fucking stupid and oblivious to your obviously intentionally contorted thinking?

Dumbshit, if something hasn't been proven, is it illogical to not believe it?

YES. IT IS.

If something hasn't been "disproven" are you violating burden of proof by disbelieving it if despite that it has not yet been proven either?

NO. YOU'RE NOT.

Simple. This is why I think you are being intentionally obtuse. Can you please just shut up now? Do you realize how your argument is retarded?

>>723171666

.....no they don't.

Magnetism and gravitational force are not the same thing.

>>723171454
Wow. You're beyond retarded. That does NOT imply there was no creation. All it implies is that there are natural processes at work which we don't yet fully understand - which there is. Your leap to "must have been god!" Is what is illogical.

Look up the "god of the gaps" argument if you want to learn more about why what you believe is a logical fallacy.

>>723171743

I think you meant to say "is it LOGICAL to not believe it"

Other than that, this.

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>>723171787
Nigga you are completely retarded, or just b8ting. Either way, NIGGERS TONGUE MY ANUS

>>723171526
I'm aware - there was nothing in my post that implied we knew what was behind the Big Bang, other than the logical belief that it was the result of a natural process just as everything else in our universe is.

>>723171743
>It's okay to have a bias one way
>But by golly it's not okay to have a bias the other way!
This is you.
You are an idiot.
Reevaluate your standards of thinking.

If something has neither been proven nor disproven having any sort of belief one way or the other is incorrect when you blatantly state that your belief system hinges on something being proven/disproven.

>>723172007
What's biased? Wanting something to be proven before you believe in it? Do you understand what that word means? It doesn't not hinge on "being proven/disproven." It hinges on the existence of evidence. The evidence thereby indicates the truthfulness of the claim. In this case, there is no evidence the claim is true, thereby it is logical to disbelieve the claim even if it is not expressly disproven/proven to be impossible. Learn how logic works.

>>723171856

Nah man, magnetism is caused by the alignment of molecules (and subsequently, electrons) within matter.

Everything is technically "magnetic," but not everything is ferrous.

Gravity is the proportional force applied between any matter because of the curvature of space-time as the direct result of an uneven distribution of mass and energy across space-time.

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>>723172223
>Not knowing the meme
>Off by one
>Your entire existence

>>723158530
Also you technically can time travel considering time can be slowed

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>>723172223
he speaks in tongues.
to the pyre with that witchcrafting faggot!

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One true god

>>723172187
>There is no evidence for something
If you believe in this you are biased FOR it.
For example:
There is go evidence god exists; if you believe god does you're being biased towards the belief of god.
>There is no evidence against something
If you disbelieve this you're being biased AGAINST it.
For example:
There is no evidence god does not exist. but you still choose to believe that "he" does not exist. This is being biased AGAINST god.
Both are based 100% on pure conjecture, and they are both 100% bias conclusions.
The only logical conclusion inside of anons belief system is to remain impartial. Otherwise you invalidate your own beliefs.

>>723172618
Again, this is all pathetic dishonest semantics. >There is no evidence for something.
There is no compelling reason to believe it.
>There is no evidence against something.
This would imply it's already proven. If it's not already proven, there is still no compelling reason to believe it.

This could not be any more simple.

>>723171947

It's all good.

But yeah, the matter than makes up our universe (the observable portion of it, anyway) all reacts uniformly according to observable, repeatable, explainable phenomenon.

More or less. There's plenty we don't understand, but there's always been plenty we don't understand.

One of my old physics professors used to say that the goal of science is to explain and understand the world - finding even more unanswered questions is just a bonus prize.

>>723158453
Only smart thing said ITT so far.

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>>723172313

>didn't know there was a meme about that

>>723172618
There is no evidence that there is a giant flying horse dick outside my window, yet I choose to believe it's not there. I guess I'm being biased toward that giant flying horses cock

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I don't believe we need Jesus.
But the idea of Jesus or God becoming Human
is the first step in the right direction:
Humanity is everything we projected onto God.

>>723173171
lel this

>>723172757
You're just blatantly ignoring half of the metaphorical coin.
>There is no evidence for or against god
>Therefore it's okay to believe god doesn't exist because :D
By that same logic, it's also okay to believe god does exist.
Anything other than impartiality has a bias. It doesn't matter if you believe in, or against god. Your beliefs are bias, and there is no evidence to support your belief. Both are wrong.
What is so difficult for you to understand about that?

>>723170740
Yeah because I said EVERY book ever written was truth....

Fucking kids...

>>723158190
yes
no
yes
no
maybe
duh
no
just figure that out?
no
no
no
no

influencing people CAN cause damage. true of everything

Probably.

>babbys first pessimistic rant

>>723173171

(not the quoted anon, I'm interjecting)

Actually, you'd be biased AGAINST the flying horse's cock.

(To the original commentators): You're both kinda right.

Burden of proof falls on he who makes the claim, regardless of whether or not that claim is a negative.

If I say, "God does exist!" - I'm expected to prove it.

Also if I say, "God DOES NOT exist!" - I should also be expected to provide some kind of proof of that claim.

BUT, proving a negative becomes impossible outside of a certain scale. In the same way, proving something mystical or supernatural is also impossible, since mystical and supernatural things have never been observed and often exist outside the realm of physical phenomenon - and coincidentally, only within our imaginations.

>>723173400
Yeah but if you want to give everyone a fair shake just to not be biased at things that haven't been proven to exist it would never end. There is a hypothetically infinite number of bullshit things that haven't been proven or disproven and your gonna waste your time determining how much bias is allocated for each? Cmom man this is why burden of proof exists

>>723173470
You implied it

>>723173400
You are creating a half that doesn't exist, a "this hasn't been proven or disproven so I should just believe in it because I want to" side. There is no proof for or against the spirit of a hamster living in my ass, but believing there was one in there would be kind of fucking crazy, illogical and unfounded, no? By your logic, I cannot make a statement either way, I have to just throw up my hands and say "I guess there could be a hamster soul in my rectum." By REAL logic, I can soundly cite the utter lack of proof that this postulation is true and resoundingly dismiss it. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You are still working so damn hard to dismiss burden of proof and try to compel the opposition to prove a negative claim, and there is no wildly inaccurate belief that cannot be defended like this, assuming that your critical thinking faculties are completely pitiful, and you can't see how obviously convoluted and dishonest that is. Only one belief is wrong; asserting a positive claim on lack of evidence. God exists is a positive claim, with no evidence to support it. Denying that claim is not a claim, thereby it does not require evidence to support it. In fact, it's practically impossible to prove a negative claim, IE; "Prove there's not a purple walrus that shits icecream on the moon!" You are just barely altering the argument to try and disguise that this is ultimately an attempt to shirk the burden of proof, and it's starting to get sad now.

I agree with most of what you sayd but did you know NASA is going to hold a conference about exo planets, TOMORROW. Saying there is not aliens when all the evidence we have suggests that it is extremely likely that there are.

Well except you are talking about the kind who visit earth and abduct people, yeah those dont exist.

>>723158190
Already knew all of this and much more 10 years ago. It's good to know that life is optional and you can end yourself at any time.

>>723173701

+1, also this is why scientists don't chase negatives - observation is lost to scale.

>>723158190
>the "meaning of life" is procreation
He gets it. Someone give him a cookie.

>>723162964
>doesn't know old memes

Go away newfag

>>723173663
You're close, but you got off track by pulling negative claims into it. Nobody is making a negative claim, we are dismissing the positive one unsupported by evidence. If a claim is not yet proven, there is no reason to try and prove the negative of that claim. As is the case with god; he has the burden of proof. If I acknowledge there is no proof, I have not claimed there isn't a god, merely stated there is no proof that there is one. Through this, I have invalidated my opponent's claim, not advanced one of my own. This is where the other guy seems to be getting confused, he seems to think all claims are created equally. Really, nobody would make the negative claim the guy is trying to make the argument he has refuted.

>>723158928
That physics law started to work when the universe started. Before the universe the physical laws as we know them didn't exist.

>>723158190
Sound like a happy fulfilled, individual, with a banging wife that blows you every day. and a bank account thats stacked, nice car, a job that fills you with joy, and more close friends that crave your attention and furfill your every need.
Good for you brother.

>>723159095
>ball of matter
>exploded
You should read about it one more time. Big Bang wasn't an explosion, just expansion. The same goes for the ball. No one claims it was a ball.

>>723173843

Applying logical analysis to supernatural beliefs is a waste of time anyway. You can't observe and understand something that exists outside the reach of observation and understanding.

I could, in theory, ACTUALLY disprove the existence of a purple ice-cream-shitting moon-walrus. If enough resources were put towards many, many lunar missions with the sole purpose of scouring the lunar surface for the walrus, it could be disproved.

But the second you add in the detail about how the walrus can't be seen by human eyes because of some supernatural power it possesses, disproving the walrus goes from ridiculous to impossible.

>>723158190
Lol he doesn't love Jesus....faggot!

>>723174451
It is always ridiculous and impossible when there is no standard for what burden of proof applies to, as the other guy is trying to advance an argument for. No matter what proof you have the walrus isn't there the believer can just call it "inconclusive" and continue to believe exactly whatever the fuck he wants in the face of all-contradicting reality.

meh, jesus was probably real, all that "miracle stuff" was not. that jesus lived, sure thats referenced in many religions. he probably had some brain damage and making him the way he was.

>>723174868
make this man professor of theology at harvard

"Jesus was prolly real, I mean, who even cares anyway?"

>>723158190
>no spooks
That's not true, I saw one just yesterday

You say he isnt real but he exists. If he didnt exist you wouldnt say he isnt real. You wouldnt say anything at all. It doesnt matter if he ever was because he surely is.

You say you dont believe but you dont need to. Others do, and have, in much greater numbers and with much greater focus than youve ever managed.

You call it meme magic dont you? If we can imagine it, it is real. Man imagined an all powerful Creator and his son Jesus Christ, King of Kings, you say, long before you ever conjured Kek.

Jesus Christ exists and therefore it behooves you to repent from your love of this system of things and seek him out with all your strength, mind, heart and soul.

>>723175099
checked and seconded.

>>723159004
Cosmological Theory

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>>723174279

(^I am both of those)

You're right...

...he's also (kind of) right, but less right than you are.

I agree with you on the burden of proof, and that confirming a negative is ridiculous - your argument is much more sound.

BUT, the claim "There is no way to disprove the existence of God" isn't false - making that claim doesn't quantify anything or progress understanding, but it's not a false claim.

I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I personally have no evidence for the existence of a God, nor does anyone else - but I also accept that there is no feasible way to prove or disprove the existence of a God.

You take the 5 pointed star and you turn it upside down. Right side up the top point of the star is the spirit and the 4 lower points are the elements, or world we live in. By flipping it upside down you place the world above the spirit then you wonder why you live in darkness.

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>>723158190

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>>723175571

>>723173701
>It's not about giving everyone a fair chance. It's about adhering to one's own belief system.
If you do not believe things until they are proven, you must also not disbelieve things until they are disproven. So the only logical stance to take is to be impartial to the situation.
There is no evidence for or against god, therefore believing one way or the other violates your own belief.
>>723173843
>You are creating a half that doesn't exist, a "this hasn't been proven or disproven so I should just believe in it because I want to" side.
You're blatantly ignoring what I've been saying over the past 5 or whatever posts I've made.
I'm saying since there is no evidence you should not believe one way or the other; because they are both bias and violate the core principle of the belief "I only believe what is proven."
For the 4th or 5th time, I am not trying to dismiss the burden of proof. Clearly, you didn't read it the last fifty times I said that.
Believing that something is false without evidence is equally as bad as believing something is true without evidence. Again, the only proper belief within the framework of "I only believe things that are proven" is to remain impartial.

With regard to a hamster ghost living in your asshole, if it's your own asshole you could very easily have proof for yourself. You could have the subjective proof of feeling it crawling around in your asshole. Good luck proving that to someone else, though. Now if you came to me and said "There's a ghost of a hamster living in my asshole, I can feel it!" then I took flashlight and gave your asshole a good ol' inspection and found no hamster. I can logically conclude that there is no real hamster in your ass. I cannot, however, conclude that there is not a ghost hamster in there. As there is no objective evidence either way. So MY only choice is to remain impartial, it's not my asshole. So, me having an opinion on it is irrelevant.

>>723175498
Cosmological theory faggots look it up shitheads!

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>>723175592

>>723173663
>>723174279
>>723175571
I refer you to Russels Teapot:
"If I were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, I could not expect anyone to believe me solely because my assertion could not be proven wrong.
Russell's teapot is still invoked in discussions concerning the existence of God.

>>723158190
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhxKdnjGA8

>>723175843
Does he say the same thing about claims of aliens out there somewhere?

>>723175706
>since there is no evidence you should not believe one way or the other

Highly illogical. If there is no proof of a claim you should reject it, not adopt indifference. It is not a two way street, where if I can't disprove something it only might not be true, and where if I can't prove something it only might be true. If there is no proof, there is no proof. Hence, it would be silly to accept an idea with no proof as true. Hence it would not be silly to accept an idea with no proof as not true. This couldn't get any more simple, and has been explained repeatedly ad nauseum. I'll believe you are purposefully obfuscating, or maybe genuinely confused, so I can stop wasting my time on such a mouth breather. Afterall, when there's no proof either way, we should just believe whatever we want right? It's not like when somebody makes a claim that claim should be dismissed if it can't be proven, huh? We should just say "I don't know," regardless of the utter lack of proof for that claim, hmm? And now that you are actually talking about the hamster in my butt you must be beginning to realize how dumb your whole argument is and sounds.

>>723175933
Well, im not sure. But imho Aliens do exist. im not one of those Nevada freaks with the hats and shirts, with the black eyed shit. but just by the laws of probability and the expanse of the universe, which lets face it is totally incomprehensible, the likelyhood of there being some other form of life out there somewhere is a realistic idea. Even intelligent life. the idea that they have the technology to travel all the way here and crash and be captured or what ever these looney toons belive. retarded.

>>723175843

Well, that kinda works. Like I said, I understand the concept of burden of proof...

...but really, the teapot argument doesn't work because hypothetically, the existence of that teapot could be disproved. It's a physical object and there's a finite observable scale within which we should find it...

...the same argument doesn't work against God, because he's magical, and therefore not observable nor quantifiable.

(Well, according to most religions. Mormons think he's a physical being.)

>>723174279
>As is the case with god; he has the burden of proof. If I acknowledge there is no proof, I have not claimed there isn't a god
so what you're saying is you're remaining impartial to whether or not god exists. You're not saying "God doesn't exist" Or "God does exist" you're saying "Your claim has no evidence, therefore I will not believe either way without evidence" Also known as remaining impartial.
>>723176297
See above

>>723176340

I'm with Hawking on that one.

If there are intelligent life forms that have the ability to reach our planet, we better hope we don't have anything they need.

All this argument about belief and provability is kinda flawed. you believe what you are told to like the sheeps you all are. If i say there is a mighty god in the clouds with a pointy beard today. I need to provide proof as it is highly unrealistic (in relation to 1000s of years ago when the idea was born - more realistic before science) So some of you say blaaaa no proof not real. but you believe there are planets (no proof, that you have actually seen with your eyes) you believe in cells in your body, rain, gravity, genetics, psychology, doctors, science. but at the end of the day your just an ignorant sheep like the rest watching your big bang theory saying see science, take that god.

>>723176638
No, I'm outright rejecting the claim. If the claim that god exists is unsupported, I have every right and reason to reject it. I'm making a definite distinction that because your claim cannot be supported in a meaningful way, it cannot taken to be true, leaving the default position (there is no god) to be the only defensible position available, and the only one which does not actively make a claim that can be proven or disproven. If you claim god is real, your responsibility is to support that claim. If you cannot, then it is my responsibility to reject your claim (if I'm an intellectually honest individual) which, in my case, implies a gnostic position on your claim. I believe we can know the truth of any god's existence by evaluating the evidence that supports such a claim; none. Hence, I need not take a position as believing in nothing means there is nothing I need to support or prove. It is entirely the believers job to support their claim, because they are actually claiming SOMETHING, some kind of knowledge. I claim to have no knowledge short of that there is no evidence supporting your claim. This is sufficient enough a reason for me to disbelieve your claim that there is a god. How are you not getting this? Oh, right. Because your fragile little theist mind has to be willfully obstinate because you're afraid of dying/hell.

>>723176340
but the idea that they build ships and travel here wasnt retarded before we better understood the realities and limitations of mechanical travel and energy. it was the foundation of the alien movement for a long time. i suggest that when we learn more about the universe we will one day laugh at those that think theres life out there. the proof i offer is how you laugh at the ideas of the alien believers now.

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>>723158190
I never knew!

>>723176488
>physical object and there's a finite observable scale
ok so to modernize it the teapot is between our galaxy and the next. (or something bigger that we cant measure yet)

>argument doesn't work against God, because he's magical
well only for now maybe. Bacteria, viruses and disease was magic and curse and voodoo till microscope. And the planets and stars also something else until the tool was invented to discover and view. We just haven't advanced to the point of having a tool to observe god with yet. - it could be argued

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>>723176831
holy argument from ignorance batman

I'm sure there's no evidence to support planets, cells, rain, gravity, genetics, psychology, medicine or science. It's all exactly the same as religion. They just make shit up. Surely there's no, like, method, by which, like, science get's done, that, like, makes it testable or repeatable or provable or something like that. It would be great if we had, like, some kind of "scientific method" or something, that would make it easy to prove any of these assertions. Unfortunately Francis Bacon never existed over five hundred years ago, so we are just stabbing around blindly in the dark, hoping nobody realizes all our microscopes, telescopes, laboratories, and repeatable tests are all a big sham.

>>723177098
>your claim can't be supported therefore you're wrong
>My claim can't be supported therefore I'm right because :D
If you are countering the claim that god does exist you also need to prove it. Because at the end of the day you are making a claim, and believing your claim without ANY proof. You are literally no better than the blind theists.

>>723176638

I don't think 'impartial' is the right word.

While most scientific minds would probably say the existence of a God is improbable and that believing in one is is a baseless belief - they'll also mostly acknowledge that the existence of God can't be concretely proven or disproved.

The word 'impartial' implies that someone doesn't care whether or not something is or is not.

If there's a God, I definitely think he should provide some evidence of his existence - but I also don't think the world's atheist population would sit and denounce him if he held a press conference and started materializing new animals and matter from nothing on live television.

Atheism isn't really a belief - it's the absence of belief. It's not something atheists would stand up for stubbornly in the face of evidence.

You mock faith when God says it is faith that is most important.

>>723177152
>one day laugh at those that think theres life out there
it just doenst make senses that we exsist and the is absolutely nothing out there. All that idea does is reaffirm the idea of a white christian god that only created us in his image.

>>723175839
*make no sense, this does


fucking garbage

>>723177326
Which claim? The claim that your claim has no evidence? But we can directly verify that's true, no? So why do I need to support that claim at all? It's your job to show evidence if there is any, if there isn't it's my job to reject your claim as unproven. Where in there am I making a claim?