ITT: we stop whining about the voting system and propose actual

>>723041392
>we stop whining about the voting system
>It is very clear that the election was rigged
Well that didn't last very long.

This is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Even for 4chan....

Go kill yourself in a fire.

>>723041392
Actually, I was rigged for Hillary. Trump won fair and square. If you think otherwise it's time to kill yourself.

>>723041392
I will literally kill any politician that proposed this sort of a voting system. Wouldn't even take off the ground..lolol

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>>723041392
>Illegal immigrants count

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Yes, cry more you fucking liberal autist. Don't like America?

GTFO and stop presenting shit solutions to our problems.

Or rather, you could stay as your hopes and dreams are crushed and Trump Makes America Great Again.

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>>723041392
ITT: libtard logic

It's simple.

We get rid of the first-past-the-post system for the electoral college and let each elector vote independently of the other electors in their respective state.

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>>723041392
MAGA

Go back to Tumblr Fag

>>723042347
Negative. That would be insanity. These people would get killed.

>>723041936
Being this much of a sheep

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>>723041392
>stop whining about the voting system
>proceeds to whine
kek

>>723043016
Jimmy is a great human being and genuinely wants to help people (I'm from Buena Vista Georgia and have met him a couple times) but he was a horrible president.

>>723043181
Agreed. He meant well, but he was in way over his head.

>>723042299
The problem with you fucks is no clear solutions but lots of stupid talk i.e. "Make America Great Again"
How? When? Why?

>>723041392
Ranked voting system

Old fucks live long enough to see libtards mess up country and tend to backtrack to conservatives. Then there's OP, always a faggot. Back to /pol

>>723041392
This pasta and bait. Don't fall for it.

>Everyone under 25 gets a 5x multiplier since they will have to live with the consequences the longest

I'm okay with this, because it'll ensure another 10 to 20 years of right wing government, seeing how Gen Z are the new conservatives.

Seems you get fucked either way, libshit.

>>723041392
arbitrary age based voting system? how about everyone under 25 counts for 1/4th of a vote because you're clearly fucking retarded.

>>723041392
>Anyone who is a part of the Islamic faith gets a 2.5 multiplier due to currently being victims of racial discrimination.
Since when is Islam a race?

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>election was rigged for Drumpf

pic related, also shitty bait is shitty.

>>723042880
To believe otherwise makes you the sheep. He was America's choice. Hillary was the elites choice. Are you that retarded to believe the media..?

Inb4 bait

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>>723043686
but it's right

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>>723043954
>He was America's choice.

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>>723041392
This isn't going to work op.

>All men are created equal.

Your idea will never pass. Your thread keeps falling on deaf ears. It will never catch on.

>>723041392
Multiplyer of what? Your autism?

>>723044232
He was America's (as in the whole of America) choice. Hillary's margin mainly comes from California. As one of California's neighbors, I will not stand for them getting to decide national elections.

>>723042880
Please provide this proof that the election was swayed otherwise then. News article? Statistical data? Photo evidence? Anything?

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>>723044374
1 person
1 vote

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>>723041936
(you)

>>723044452
>disaster for democracy
We live in a federal republic retard

Hey look it is another teenager with a foolproof plan to fix everything..... by making it more unfair

>>723044686
The progressive's modus operandi.

>>723041392
Why oh why is this pasta shitposted so often?

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>>723044207
Is this you?

>>723041392
>Anyone who is a part of the Islamic faith gets a 2.5 multiplier due to currently being victims of racial discrimination.

>If you have a PhD diploma in gender studies, your vote will get a 3x multiplier since we dont want dumbasses making decisions for the rest of the country.

>Illegal immigrants count as a single vote REGARDLESS due to having poor quality of life, UNLESS they are in possession of a green card. In which case they get 3x if colored, 5x if of African origin.

It was at this point that I realized you were hard baiting.

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>>723044589
>disaster for democracy
don't tell me. tell donnie.
retard

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>>723045034
no.

Is this you?

>>723044232
1: the states vote a la constitutional republic.
2: consensus ad populum, the popular vote does not make her the better candidate.
Therefore America chose Trump.

Good bait xD I saved it

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>>723045122
see
>>723045090
>>723044452

>>723045090
Yet you proclaim "one person, one vote"

>>723045122
This is the correct answer.

So if a person was under 25 (x5), Nignog (x5), female (x5), lesbo (x2), follower of the religion of peace (x2,5) and has a useless gender studies PhD (x3) , said person would get 1875 votes.
An islamic lesbian nigger feminist woulld get the voting power of a small village.
America would be over.

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>>723045117
You died in '57 Joe, the Socialists lost. You can go back to your grave peacefully.

>>723045227
This

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>>723045221
so does donald....unless it costs him an election.

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>>723041392

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>>723045220
>red herring

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>>723045423
And libtards would be in love with the system if it worked in their favor, but they lost. We don't live in a democracy, the system functioned exactly as it should have.

>>723045456
You can let it go now Joe, Marxism and it's even less intelligent but far more dangerous variants and affiliates are only popular to college students acting out over a boderline fascist's loss of the election.

>>723041392
Give plural voting to weird demographics, kek. Trump still would have won. The issue is the winner take all system in the electrol college. It should be winner takes two the rest split proportionately between the candidates.

>>723044207
Edgy

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>>723045536
Joe, you're making a fool of yourself.

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>>723045423
>still using the overly fallacious tactic of red herring

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>>723045633
What is your point? I didn't vote for Trump, and I think his stance (also yours) is wrong.

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>it's the current year!!

>>723041392
everyone without a diploma should be banned from voting

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>>723041392
wait...do you have autism?

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>>723045699
Joe, you've shown disgust towards journalists too. Don't go hypocritical on us. It's time to move on, your salem witch trial way of handling issues isn't needed.

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>>723041392
>everyone stupid with no actual understanding of politics should decide

>>723045699
No, it's the result of the intelligence community undermining someone in the way of their goals.

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>>723045768
the republicans would never win another election

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>>723041392
Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. That's life. Just grow up and accept it.

>>723045865
Lol, are you one of le marksists who spams pictures of guys in top hats and wailing when you're wrong while assuring us you don't believe certain things would happen?

>>723045895
Hah. But where did these recordings come from then? That would be NSA, whose task is to do this kind of spying. The deep state is dying but will take time to kill it off.

>>723041936
if you believe that then tell congress to investigate trumps tax returns and his phone calls and his cabinets phone calls and emails. if they are so clean and won fair and square you have nothing to worry about.

>>723046194
>McCarthyism

>>723041392
Dear party of Science,

If the brain doesn't finish developing till age 25 wtf are we doing giving 18 year olds the vote?

I suggest increasing the voting age to 25 with an exception for anyone in the military.

>>723042880
"HURR LOOK AT ME CNN TOLD ME I'M RIGHT YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF SHEEP"

>>723046347
In all seriousness the normalfag 18yo shouldn't legally be able to vote.

>>723041392
sorry but this is a dumb system. the whole point of the electoral college is that they DONT have to do what the state says. it was literally written in the constitution that in this election they needed to vote for hillary, because trump is completely unqualified to be president, he just doesnt understand how things work. you cant run a country like a business they are not the same thing. all these middle class morons who gets "layed off" when he tanks the economy, oh middle class morons get "layed off" aka no more gov't support.

>>723041392
>It is very clear that the election was rigged for Drumpf.
What's clear is that you're either retarded or suffering from paranoia.

>>723044232
And she still fucking lost. How shitty of a candidate does that make her.

>>723046347
>I suggest increasing the voting age to 25 with an exception for anyone in the military.

i have one better for you.

make age of consent and legal maturity 28.

cant join military till 28 and cant fuck either. cant vote.

problem solved.

>arguing for maturity to vote while making biased exceptions. kek.

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>>723046392
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Written where in the Constitution? Have you even read it? From Wikipedia:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the following qualifications for holding the presidency:

be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
be at least thirty-five years old;
be a resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

How does he not meet these qualifications?

Simplest way to fix the shit: you have to pass the Citizenship Exam given to naturalizing citizens. If you don't pass, your vote isn't counted and you get to try to pass the exam again in 4 years.

>>723046641
This, anyone who tries to disqualify a candidate probably hasn't read the Constitution.

>>723045768
So only the elite's voices should matter? Well, that doesn't sound all that democratic if you ask me.

>>723046298
>McCarthyism
ur retarded. flynn should be reason enough but then there is his unprecedented friendliness with putin and russia, the fact that he equated russia and the us as killers which is a blatant false equivalency, you have malcom nance explain that wikileaks would have needed 300 plus people working 3 8 hour shifts to do what they did with the amount of data that they not only hacked and analyzed but precisely dumped when asked meaning most likely it is a front for the russian intelligance system, you have russians being paid by the gov't whose job it was to put out as much negative propaganda about hillary and as much positive stuff about trump, watch them being interviewed on samantha bee's show, the fact that the our intelligence services dont trust the president with state secrets *cough maralogo* i could go on but i have other things to do

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>>723041392
Damn OP, you take the fucking bakery

>>723046641
http://www.xvideos.com/video16021815/college_gf_fingered_in_car#_tabComments
all of this stuff was written so that the electoral college could prevent a racist grandpa from being elected

>>723046816
Hopefully that would be taking a college level writing class; that shit was unreadable.

>>723046816
>300 plus people working 3 8 hour shifts
Ever hear of a computer? You don't need to have a human read and catalog every single bit of information.
>precisely dumped when asked
Proof of this where?
>it is a front for the russian intelligance system
LOLOLOL
>russians being paid by the gov't whose job it was to put out as much negative propaganda
Hillary was paying shills too. Ever hear of Correct the Record, her personal troll army?
>samantha bee's show
News from a comedienne? That's low.
>our intelligence services dont trust the president with state secrets
Because that would interfere with the NWO.

Shit tier bait OP.

>>723046641
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/provisions.html
why do you think the electoral college exists u fag, its so that uneducated fucks like u cant elect an uneducated sexual predator hell bent on killing endangered species and letting big business trample everyone become president, it does not matter what the people vote it was literally their job to pick someone not trump

>>723041392
the age thing, adequately modified, does make a lot of sense tho.

>>723047036
its called an info dump...smart ppl can put in necessary punctuation without actually needing the punctuation.

>>723047204
The electoral college exists to ensure states get fair representation in national elections. This idea that it's a "circuit breaker" (as Lessig put it) was just something cooked up to convince delegates to ratify the new Constitution.

>>723047260
>trying to challenge my intelligence as an excuse to cover your inadequacies
You wouldn't happen to be a stoner would you? While my experience is not objective, I've found a lot of potheads tend to make really stupid, vapid, or otherwise baseless arguments while showing signs of illiteracy akin to what I've seen you post. Make no mistake I'm not claiming to be a genius, but studies that correlate low IQ with cannabis use partially corroborates my findings.

>>723046487
>cartoon concept of equality

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>>723047663
Actually funny

>>723047625
>answering a question with a question

If there is one thing that I see that is omnipotent it is that everyone is wrong, except the individual from their own point of view.

>>723041392

I notice every one under 25 is just retarded. None of you have any world experience. You guys should get zero multiplier, you stupid faggot.

>>723041392
>just let 18 year old niggers run everything lol itll be good, trust me. These people were brought up on jewish media and even slept through some college classes.

OP is fucking retarded

>drumpf
he also never gets laid and is a liberal cuckold.

>>723047782
I think the dimensions themselves are separating. It's interesting that people can hear the same words and have two completely different interpretations and never be able to explain how they arrived at them.

>>723047123
they read and analyzed every email and piece of data that takes man power, (read malcom nance's book literally talks all about this, i havent but might) and as he explained on friday on bill mahers show one example of precise data dump was when trump would talk about Pennsylvania within 96 hours every email and voicemail about Pennsylvania would leak. full clip here https://youtu.be/3cDLflyQ8TA?t=645

and btw this guy is absolutely qualified to talk about this.

>>723047335
the system is outdated now i understand that it was to prevent one state holding power but guess what when most ppl live in cities on the coasts it makes some states "more equal" than others. the amount of electoral votes was based on the population in 1800 something. nowadays popular vote would be much more fair because of the internet and globalization. also people arent limited by where they live anymore. laws that were good for cold places arent good for hot places type of thing no longer matter because of technology.

>>723047527
lol pot no i dont fuckign smoke, i like my memory just fine thank you

>>723045838
This.

>>723048141
Seems like that what OP wants

>>723041392
What if your a black woman...how many elections?

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>>723047527
>tl;dr a stoner is fucking the girl i like in this exact moment, also i'm a faget

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>>723047951
Bill Maher? Another stupid comedian? I don't know anything about Malcolm Nance but the guy has spook written all over him
>>723048083
>laws that were good for cold places arent good for hot places
You just proved why the electoral college exists. And how is it more fair? Using NYT's own math, Wyoming has 160 times the voting power of California. If we went to popular vote, they would have zero power. There would be no chance at all of them having political influence. If California is unhappy with the feds, they can create their own laws for their own state. They feel they should get to dictate the laws of the whole damn country when it's none of their business. That's why we have a federal system and state's rights and an electoral college that enables both.

And yes, I despise California. I hope for a successful Calexit.

>>723041392
all men are not created equal if your idiot voting scheme were enacted

>>723047259
No, it doesn't. You're a moron.

>>723048439
Speak for yourself, don't speak about me as yourself.

>>723048456
>still keeping up with his fallacies

>>723048586
Maybe we just go back to having male landowners the only ones with voting rights?

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>>723048592
>definitely confirmed

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>>723041392
Women and niggers shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone be president of the united states.

>>723048832
>niggers shouldn't be allowed to vote, let alone be president of the united states
Too late...

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>>723048888
I'm only replying to this because kek has blessed your chaotics idiocy with digits.

>>723041392
>implying this OP wasnt bait

>>723041392
>pol

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>>723048789
Just because younger people have to deal with the shit longer, doesn't mean they should decide what's best for the country. Older people have more experience. What you suggest is moronic because the idea just throws equality out the window. Ever hear of every man is created equal? That's why you're a fucking moron. Amendments were passed so that ideas like that would never be a reality again.

>>723041392
Are we being raided by /pol/?!?!?

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>>723048879
It's never too late.

Hopefully you fags will wake the fuck up and jump start the Fourth Reich to remove their inferior genes from the world.

>>723045080
That was the point you realized it?

Libtards complain about the popular vote being irrelevant because "muh vote counts less than others just because I live in a more populated state".

At least the difference we have tends to be relatively small.

>>723049239
no, it's tumblr. again.

>>723041392
/pol/ bait.

>>723049151
sorry it was actually meant to this guy
>>723048608

Literally fifty three retards in this thread can't recognize copy pasta bait.

>>723049388
No worries.

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>>723049660
and you're one of them

>>723049660
I can't resist the opportunity for debate, but the competition has been weak thus far.

>>723048487
first of all be man enough to call him intelligent because he is, im man enough to call kellyanne conway intelligent but that doesnt mean i trust her (shes a soulless manipulative bitch who will sell her soul for power). and yes malcom nance im sure was a spook wats ur point. pretty sure he was an intellligence officer of some sort. anyways onto the second point. you took my quote out of context. i clearly showed that i understand your point about states rights but i hope you at least understand my argument that the system is outdated whether you agree or not, just cause i lean liberal does not make me liberal, im open to new ideas that contradict my own as long as they are supported by factual and logical arguments. i can admit im wrong when proven. but this debate about whether we should continue the current voting laws or go to popular vote is largely opinion.

>>723051002
>first of all be man enough to call him intelligent
I don't think he is, I find him repugnant and all I hear from him is liberal privilege. I have never heard him make a decent and somewhat original argument.
>malcom nance im sure was a spook wats ur point
Once a spook, always a spook. It means that he likely backs the globalist agenda and will spread disinformation to those ends.
>understand my argument that the system is outdated
I do, but how is popular vote better? Because more people live on the coasts? It would complete the total disenfranchisement of the midwest and south from national elections. If you lean liberal, don't you care about those people having a voice too? Or is it okay to leave them behind because they're a bunch of white rednecks who should just be happy with the Progressive order?
>supported by factual and logical arguments
I only deal in those. It is a factual and logical argument to say that popular vote would lead to total disenfranchisement of everybody but California and New York, and that this nation is too big and too diverse to have a national agenda based on two population centers.

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>>723041392
Anyone who falls for this is an idiot
Anyone who agrees with this should go back to plebbit

>>723041392
ITT: Liberal tears and cuckoldry

2017 shall me remembered as the year liberals showed their true face: Fascism, bigotry and hate-mongering.

>>723051676
Hear, hear

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>>723041392
and today's award for idiotic posting goes to.... OP.

> and propose actual solutions.

Eliminate the rezoning and gerrymandering of districts. Have districts generated by computer to each reach a population threshold based on census data, and only census data. Have districts re-zoned following each census to ensure parity of population is updated regularly.

ie, State of X, district 1, 2, 35, etc. each one comprising of a population of 100,000. or 50,000, or whatever.

Even, fair, representative by population.

>>723052949
A real solution. We could take it one step further by dividing electors by district (Nebraska) or by population centers (Maine). It would debase the "tyranny of the majority" by allowing rural areas to be heard too, and it would not require a Constitutional amendment.

>>723041392
Your logic is nonsense. A presidential term is a short period of time and the next president can undo whatever was done under the previous administration. So giving younger people a stronger say makes absolutely no sense.

What does make sense is making America a proper democracy. Eliminate the electoral college - which is specifically anti-democratic - and the presidential veto (which is also bs). Give full representation to residents of DC. Ensure that the Cabinet is only made up of elected people, not just the President's mates. Eliminate executive orders, as they are also anti-democratic.

>>723041392

>hey, lets stop whinning (which of course you wont) and try to fix an election system we are angry at because we dont understand it at all!

Its so cute seeing you kids have your little imagination time.

>>723053707
1. This is not a democracy.
2. An elected cabinet? Are you fucking retarded?
3. Veto is one of the critical checks on the power of the purse.

>>723054442
I already pointed out that America is not a democracy. Try reading, Cletus.

I didn't say an elected cabinet. My suggestion is that the cabinet should be selected from the people elected to represent the people (e.g. senators and congressmen) - like in EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH.

Veto is one man's word against the elected majority. Your point makes no sense.

Go back to school, dumbass.

>>723041392
That's fucking bullshit. Please reevaluate your life choices.

If there should be changes, it should allow people who are 16 to vote. 16 year olds have jobs, therefore they are taxed, but not represented by the government

>>723054442
1. what is it then?
On what political theory do you base your defintions?

>>723053707
>Give full representation to residents of DC
The Capitol is intentionally left out for neutrality's sake
>Ensure that the Cabinet is only made up of elected people
The cabinet is approved or denied "withe the advice and consent" of the Senate. The people already have a voice.
>Eliminate executive orders
That would be impossible without a new Constitution, as the President has sole authority in certain areas (such as foreign affairs).

It sounds like you are advocating the Parliamentary model, which has the problem of being too democratic. Our system is designed for stability and separation of powers to prevent one branch from running roughshod over the government. The best solution would be to repeal the extra powers delegated to the President, especially since 9/11.

>>723054669
>not represented by the government
NO ONE is represented.

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>>723041392
>daily reminder $hillary only won about 15% of counties
>daily reminder she had the press, news, hollywood celebrities, daytime TV, social media churning out propoganda for her
absolutely BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.
Libtards go home.
You lost.

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>>723054608
>Veto is one man's word against the elected majority
Congress can override Presidential veto with 2/3 vote.

>>723054669
Better solution would be to only let people with jobs to vote

>>723054681
It's a republic, dumbass.

>>723041556
I came to post this

oh my god if you people fall for this bait while pretending to be so much smarter you are absolute retards

I know theres some kind of faggot cabal who keeps trap threads going, and cuck threads going, but this is beyond low hanging fruit.

>>723055065
Because there aren't plenty of examples to show failed capitalist countries, right?

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>>723055176

>>723055065
Communism and socialism were the same thing but socialism has evolved into a distinct, though similar, ideology.

L

You obey to Trump. So do all dogs in the USA.

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>>723055220
Wrong.

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>>723055219

>>723041392
Goddamn that is some dedicated shit posting.

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>>723055220

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>>723055307
good one cupcake very corny

typical liberal

>>723055273
Socialism as understood by most people today refers to democratic socialism. Not wrong, the definition is evolving.

>>723045768
Yeah because a gender studies degree qualifies you to run a gov't.....fag

>>723055432
>>723055371
There we go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

>>723054992
>Because landmass instead of the populous votes for presidents
Dude won thanks to an antiquated electoral college system. It made perfect sense when people fancied themselves Virginians or New Jerseyans more than Americans, but that lack of nation state cohesion does not exist anymore so nor should the electoral college.

Dafuq, guy?

>>723055371
I'll care about her opinions when she'll learn to write decent books

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>>723055176
Sure kid.

>>723045090
>Doesn't understand that trump's and hillary's profiles are run by promo agents
kys fag

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>>723055432
>as understood by most people today
>other people just don't understand
>OUR brand of communism works correctly

kek every single time

>>723055508
>>723055219
>camdenNJ.png
>detroitMI.jpg
>mostOfBrazil.bmp

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love the smell of liberal hypocrisy and idiocy in the morning

>>723041392

Are you kidding even now it's rigged against Trump >>723053775

>>723055498
Have you ever been to, or talked to somebody from Texas? They see themselves as Texans first and Americans second. The electoral college isn't about landmass, it's about representation by population.

>>723055371
AYN RAND
>died poor as fuck on welfare that she hated
HAYEK
>his best known work is his defense of liberalism
keep thinking your brain dead right wing ideology has anyone but nutcases and oil companies to back it

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>>723041392
>The system is bad for a democracy so let us create a new system that is bad for democracy
Top kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETHbZRFP0F4 .

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>>723041392
>>African Americans get a 5x multiplier

>>723055092
republic = res publica = matter of the public
democracy = rule of the public
where's the difference?

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>>723055719
>no actual rebuttal just character assassination and name-calling

Hayek was slightly left on social issues but far right on anything economic, stop trying to spin your propaganda idiot. You faggots always try to rewrite history. It doesn't work.

kys

>>723049302
Hahaha what a funny pic, thanks for joining us tonight Bill!

>>723055868
The different is that in a Republic the people don't vote directly on policies but instead vote on representatives.

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>>723041392

everyone under 25 is too stupid, emotional, and inexperienced to make good voting choices. The sweet spot is the 25-60 group. Over 60 is too out of touch. Under 25 is too young to know anything useful about politics, and they're usually all idealists with foolish utopian ideals.

>>723055868
Definition from Wiki because I don't feel like rewriting it:
>A republic (Latin: res publica) is a form of government in which the country is considered a "public matter" – not the private concern or property of the rulers – and where offices of state are elected or appointed, rather than inherited. It is a government where the head of state is not a monarch and government leaders exercise power according to the rule of law.

There is a democratic component to our system, and the modern usage is conflated, but pure democracy is the absolute power of the majority and has been referred to as "tyranny of the majority".

>>723055931
>>no actual rebuttal just character assassination and name-calling
yes i called your ideology brain dead and pointed your cognitive dissonance in saying someone whos life work is literally "THE DEFENSE OF LIBERALISM" is probably a liberal
> You faggots always try to rewrite history. It doesn't work.
again your selective special snowflake brain doesn't understand that pointing out facts and using logic isnt rewriting histroy kind of like saying a stupid fuck who had to declare bankruptcy 19 times is really good business man

>>723041392
Thanks for the bait mate. Your great effort is appreciated.

>>723055966
you must spend a lot of time going through socialist sites and reading communist manifesto to come up with all these great memes

>>723056149
that's the case in GB, G, F...
but in the U.S. it's more twisted.
so the U.S. is neither a democrycy nor a republic.
maybe the states have missed the point where they should have changed their system, but now it's too late.

>>723056149
You aren't accounting for parliamentary democracies. You're thinking of direct democracy.
Truthfully there's a trend of republics being federal jurisdictions presiding over autonomous states, but to be honest it crosses over to the provincial structure you find in most democracies right now. But there's no concrete rules about this, we're not observing a fossil record of political systems we're creating them, and their structure is always going to be heavily influenced by cultural details. I don't mean cuisine or ethnicity, but municipalities with ties across borders, former mergers with other nations, historic events with fundamental laws etc. I think you could get away with using democracy and republic interchangeably if you were to set up a micronation now.

>>723056332
>Multi-billionaire
>Not a great businessman
Come back when you've made your first million.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-democrats-to-challenge-gop-state-lawmakers-in-each-district-clinton-won/2017/02/19/7ec1a088-f2e8-11e6-b9c9-e83fce42fb61_story.html?utm_term=.ea3d93091127

Exactly what's needed. Te establishment Representatives have not effectively represented the average citizen for decades. Pervasively get involved in your communities politics, and in a few years the nation will be much better represented by the "regular" people of the nation and less by the establishment.

>>723041392
You're retarded as fuck


men over 30 that own land should be the only ones allowed to vote, kill yourself you fucking scumbag

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>>723056332
>someone whos life work is literally "THE DEFENSE OF LIBERALISM"

Let's see that source, snowflake. Surely you didn't just pull that out of your ass.

Kek.

>>723041556
/thread

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this thread is cancer

>>723056409
>Truthfully there's a trend of republics being federal jurisdictions presiding over autonomous states
This is what the American system is supposed to be, but progressives have worked for the last hundred years to strengthen the federal government to force their agenda down the throats of unwilling states.

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>>723055696
Yes. My in-laws are from Austin, however, most people from Austin are not Texas natives. Nonetheless, that was a rather cherry picked example, but okay.

Secondly, it's part population, part state borders. Again, going back to why the electoral college was established, founders were affraid that a state like Virginia, which had the population of higher than the next three most populous states combined, would just win the election every time because Virginians would vote in a Virginian since people from their own state considered themselves citizens of their state more than the country. The electoral college number is equal to the number of senators and representatives (house) in congress. This means sparsely populated states receive a disproportionately favorable amount of electors.

For simplicity, imagine a country with two states. Each state gets two senators, however, state 1 has a population of 1M and state two has a population of 500k. So state 1 gets 2 representatives in the house and state 2 gets 1 rep. For electors, that means State 1 has 4 electors and State 2 has 3 electors. State means for every 250,000 people in State 1, they have 1 vote in the national election, however, State 2 casts an electors ballot with just 166,667 people.

This made enough sense back when there was no nation state cohesion, but no one doubts that the United States is indeed a nation state, despite the occasional cries of secession.

>>723056496
> social health care and education < suffer in freedom

>>723056730
It operates on consensus, you'd be better served if you weren't so combative and lobbied for the contrary rather than tried to tear it down. Or otherwise, secede. I'd like to think Homer Simpsons was joking when he said half-assing is the American way.

>>723041482
/thread

>>723056496
There are countries that offer free college/education in general and free health care and it's none like that. Most of those countries have the highest living standards in the world even. It's not like this never has been tested before. You could see what works in other countries and improve the things that aren't to make living better for everyone. Instead you chose to propagate fear.

I am living in Austria and I did not have any depths after I got my college degree in computer science and getting a serious illness like cancer would not ruin me financially. Should I lose my job for whatever reason I am not in danger of losing my house or my possessions and that I still can provide for my family through those times until I have something new. There is no need to carry guns. I've never been the victim of a crime nor did I ever witnessed one and I am living in the biggest city there, Vienna.

Keep believing that your system is any good. Just doesn't make it true.

>>723041392

"Everyone under 25 gets a 5x multiplier since they will have to live with the consequences the longest."

I stopped reading right there. Anybody who thinks a bunch of kids should be making these kinds of decisions is a dumb kid themselves. These are the people who think we should have free college, but don't even begin to comprehend where the money is going to come from to pay for it. The older folks have seen some shit and know a few things. This is why you don't let a new college graduate jump straight to CEO.

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How the fuck does it go from emails come out proving that Hillary Clinton rigged the democratic primaries, to Donald Trump rigged the presidential election?

>>723056496
You're wrong on very many levels. Don't associate Bernie Sander with the Democrats.

>>723044374
Fucking retards who keep saying "But California!" How stupid can you people be? Hie would it work out for Republicans if Texas wasn't counted? What if we just dumped the Confederate States?

Well no fucking shit that the votes would change if you started removing states. Goddamn, conservatives are stupid.

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>>723056964
Name your "shining example of socialism."

What country specifically? What's the population?

I'm not propagating any fear. You do realize the only reason "socialism" works in a few countries in the EU is because the 20+ other capitalist countries are constantly dumping money and aid to them to keep them afloat, right? Greece is a perfect example. Why the fuck do you think Brexit was such a big deal you incredible idiot? They're tired of bailing you commie faggots out and rightfully so. It never stands alone and works. Never.

>>723041392
>Mandatory tests to filter out people with certain mental disabilities
>Mandatory ID
>Electoral college vote based on percentage (ex: you won 65% of a state's vote, so you get 65% of their electoral college)

It would be cool to have some kind of test to determine your political awareness, but that could be used to rig elections.

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>>723057287
>Being this fucking retarded

We need more of these: https://twitter.com/nergling/status/833691148019441665

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>>723057249
Nobody said "dump California's votes" you massive moron, the other anon just pointed out where her margin came from. And he has a point. Half the faggots in densely populated california cities probably wouldn't know how to survive if their lights went out for 72 hours. They live in a fucking desert and have to rely on other states around them to ship in water BECAUSE THEY'RE STUPID ENOUGH TO LIVE IN A DESERT. Clearly they should not be making any major decisions for the rest of the country.

Goddamn, liberals are so stupid.

>>723056734
>>723056734
I'm glad I'm finally debating with somebody who actually has a grasp of the system. But when you talk about a smaller state having greater electoral power, I think the system is doing its job. We may have greater national cohesion, but this doesn't mean that politicans view states equally, and one reason Trump won is because these states (even typically blue states) went full rebellion against the Democrats for ignoring them and condescending them. Remove California, and Trump would've won the popular vote too. As a resident of one of California's neighbors, I don't like the fact that their disproportionately high population gives them power over every election.
>going back to why the electoral college was established, founders were affraid that a state like Virginia, which had the population of higher than the next three most populous states combined, would just win the election every time
Getting rid of the electoral college does not eliminate this problem. I think you have too much faith in people's rationality. California would decide every single election.
>Yes. My in-laws are from Austin, however, most people from Austin are not Texas natives.
Austin is certainly not representative with the rest of Texas, so it doesn't really illustrate my point. I would, however point out that all Americans have citizenship in their state as well as US citizenship. I consider myself a citizen of my state first and an American second.

>>723057287
Read what I wrote. I named the country and city I am living in. Vienna (the capital of Austria) even was voted to be the city with the highest living standard in the world recently. I don't say we don't have any issues but overall it's working here.

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>>723041392
>we stop whining about the voting system
>It is very clear that the election was rigged
Hahahaha I love liberal tears

>>723057459
You think the climate decides how important your vote is? Fucking hell, this is next level dumb.

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>MFW considering the state of politics in America for the last ~250 years
Guys, the American political system was never set up to work for the American people, whether they be conservative, moderate, or liberal. The system has always been set up to benefit a few ultra rich people. Nothing is ever going to change for us, whether it's a Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump, Reagan, Carter or JFK in the white house until we address the issue that the system is rigged against us and it always has been.

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Why the fuck do I have to be liberal or a fucking trumper? I vote for whoever tinkles my pickle the hardest at the time. Once voted for Bush cause I was in the military and the Republicans are usually good for that shit. They need it extra troops, and getting promotions was easy as fuck. Someone had to train all the fresh meat.

Then I got into college after the military and voted Obama. With only the GI bill and no job; I need it all the government freebies I could get. For schooling, housing, and medical crap.

Today, I own several business and hands-off investments, and I try to minimize my taxes to the MAX. So, I voted Republican, and like Mr. Trump said "I don't pay taxes, because I'm smart". Well, i hear you loud and clear sir. Let's make this bitch great again and expand those tax cuts, and cut all those pesky regulations. My wallet and businesses will thank you.

>>723057287
>I am living in Austria and I did not have any depths after I got my college degree in computer science and getting a serious illness like cancer would not ruin me financially. Should I lose my job for whatever reason I am not in danger of losing my house or my possessions and that I still can provide for my family through those times until I have something new. There is no need to carry guns. I've never been the victim of a crime nor did I ever witnessed one and I am living in the biggest city there, Vienna.

Read again

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>>723041392
>Example #2: A black 19 year old woman's vote will count as 25 votes
i totally agree :S

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>>723057337
>b-b-b-but muh socialism

>still not able to name 1 successful socialist country that stands on it's own two feet and succeeds without the help of capitalist countries

It's honestly sad to see a kid this fucking brainwashed.

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>>723042986
True story

The electoral college wasn't about rural vs cities or to protect small states, you nincompoops. Why do schools teach this made up horseshit?

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its all good yo

>>723056907
Tear what down? The goal of the progressive movement was the limiting of state sovereignty. I'm not being combative about it, I'm simply stating truth. I used to not feel one way or the other about it but as the federal government gets more out of touch with the people, I do lobby for the contrary.

>>723057622
I'm not a socialist or a liberal but if you don't see the success of socialism in Europe then you're ignoring facts and being willfully ignorant

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>>723057552
Are you fucking retarded? I already told you the countries in the EU rely on aid from capitalist country. For fuck's sake, the US gives Austria aid money every year and we're not even on the same continent. Again, no socialist country can stand on it's own and survive. It's simple fact.

>>723057249
>Goddamn, conservatives are stupid.
I'm not a conservitard.
>"But California!"
California is the largest state, and it accounts for Hillary's win because she received more than the simple majority she needed to win. The point is that it doesn't prove the mandate that it's made out to be because it was all California.

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>>723041392
Nice to see you're making progress! Fucking hell these delusional libtards.

>>723041392
hmm, based upon this thread my appreciation for the US electoral college has only increased.

>>723054608
see
>>723054921
>>723055003

>>723057287
>Name your "shining example of socialism."

> For eight consecutive years (2009–2016), the human-resource-consulting firm Mercer ranked Vienna first in its annual "Quality of Living" survey of hundreds of cities around the world, a title the city still held in 2016.[22][23][24][25][26][27][28] Monocle's 2015 "Quality of Life Survey" ranked Vienna second on a list of the top 25 cities in the world "to make a base within."[29][30][31][32][33]

Look up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna to read the sources. And while you are at it read the article about Austria as well, being one of the richest countries in the world but at the same time still have free health care, education and one of the best welfare system in the world.

>>723057013

teens groomed to support authority while believing they're rebels. like idiot op who would demolish political equality in the name of freedumz

>>723057459
Fuck yeah, you're my long lost bro/sis!

>>723057920
Do you people not understand that one Californian has equal citizenship to one Kansan? Or one Georgian?

Because the only way your statement makes sense is if all citizens are not equal.

>>723057919
lol, and the entirety of your evidence is "I'm a guy on 4chan"

>>723057719
Well sure. But what you're talking about there is reform. I think that's always a good idea but it's going to require reconciliation. Rejecting the proper channels only disenfranchises people further, and ultimately destabilizes the state. The issue with populism isn't its principal goals, that is (or should be) a common sense component of any western leader. It's that when it surfaces as a trend like this, it's because it's being used as an angle to inject some oversimplified, Luddite sentiments and breed class warfare. No actual constructive proposals are made, if anything they intensify the people's issues so they can milk it for publicity, and in the long term their problems will be ignored.

>>723057532
Not necessarily true. It does benefit the elite, but there also was not supposed to be this much power given to the federal government.

>>723057919
Source on that because the US helped building the destroyed cities after WW2 but we don't receive any money anymore and certainly dont depend on the US in any way. As long as you can't provide a source for this claim it's just bullshit to justify your bullshit.

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>>723058021
>Hey this one country with 3 million has a great quality of living

>says nothing about GDP
>says nothing about how much foreign aid they have to rely on
>says nothing about how much they import vs. export

I was under the impression you wanted to have an adult conversation. I see that's not what you're after now.

>>723041392
Shouldn't the example 2 get 125 votes? black x5, less than 25 x5, female x5. 5x5x5 = 125
Also, this system potentially allows a person with up to 1875 votes.

>>723058148
Nah, dude. Read into American Revolution history. All of the founding fathers were insanely rich, and they were the ones who were by far most affected by British taxes. The American Revolution was entirely a money making opportunity.

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>>723041482
/thread

>>723058292
Yea, just go to the article I linked. All the information is there. I did link it for exactly that reason. Or do you want me to paste the whole thing here?

>>723058292
Btw. Austria is one of the richest countries of the world. We certainly don't rely on foreign aid as you keep claiming. Perhapts it's time you could show some proof of that?

>>723041392
You are an idiot and I really hope that you aren't ever put in charge of anything important.

>>723056393
Nah I think he saved them. Maybe even used google to find some.

>>723058148
There was no going back to a weaker federal government after the civil war

>>723058483
Do you swallow cum as fast as you swallowed that bait?

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I can't fucking wait for the end. Could it be near?

>>723041392
The election was rigged. It was rigged for Hillary Clinton to win. But so many people voted for Donald Trump that it didn't even matter.

>>723058292
Not the guy you're arguing with, but if this is about Vienna, i should say this. First, Vienna is a city in Austria, not a fucking country, and if you would know a bit about the world you would know that Austria is a very advanced country that relies 0% on aid.

>>723058342
Of course they were, and I don't deny the elite political class that existed then as it does now. But the reason for the revolution wasn't the taxes themselves, but their implementation without representation. They believed their rights under English law were being violated.

>>723058618
Explain how it was rigged for Hillary.

>>723041392
>It is very clear that the election was rigged for Drumpf. America is currently in crisis mode, so here is how we fix it...

Or you could accept that the electoral college is designed so that the states are what matter in the voting process. not just the cities in coastal states

also.


>we s top whining about the voting system
>It is very clear that the election was rigged

nice way to contradict your self OP

also yes its 2017. giving people extra votes because they're black or a woman is a terrible way to "fix" things.

>>723058654
Not that guy, but they hung Bernie to dry in the primaries.

>>723058565
True, and I certainly question the motives behind the war. The war was about state's rights, after all.

>>723058639
That's true, but they'd not have been as upset over the crown implementing laws that didn't directly fuck their checkbooks.

>>723058397
http://povertyinvienna.weebly.com/

>>723058397

Mercer is an executive relocation survey designed as a guide for corporate compensation of out-of-country employees. Not a hurr-durr we da best contest. You sound like you're from Vancouver.

>>723058735
We've reached agreement. But I'm glad I'm not a britbong.

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>>723057531
>climate decides how important your vote is

No. Again you're a massive fucking idiot. Did the climate just up and surprise these morons and change drastically in the past 5 years from a lush, self-sustaining paradise ....to a fucking desert? No. The vast majority are dumbasses and degenerates. The only industry they have was subsidized by the federal government (ie taxpayers from every other state) and not anything they did on their own. For fuck's sake, if Hollywood decided to up and leave to China tomorrow, you would collapse because the majority of you don't do anything useful anyway.

>"b-b-b-but 6th biggest economy"
You're looking after the rest of the country's investments, nothing more.

https://techcrunch.com/2014/07/04/the-government-once-built-silicon-valley/

You're a containment area. A quarantine. You're degenerates and idiots and your people are a plight to the rest of the nation. Your entire state is a real-life version of /b/ full of traps, faggots, and femanons REEing at each other while you try to make a career out of pouring coffee at starbucks. Sprinkle in a bit of black dick from your enormous population of felons and some weird ass-backwards "racial superiority" from illegal mexicans. California is a live version of Superjail. A fucking cartoon. And no one takes them seriously.

Fuck outta here.

>>723042986
Real news is neither nice, or mean, just reported fact. Opinions are fake news. Both the positive and negative.

>>723058733
And what effect did that have on the general? In the general, we had interference by Russia and the FBI in Trump's favor. What interference was there in Hillary's favor?

>>723058914
You do understand that our economy would crater without California, right? Hell, even just take the ports away and we're fucked beyond belief.

People don't move to California for the water, they move for the jobs.

>>723058879
I'm not the dude you'd been talking to.

>>723041936
But MUH RUSSIANS

>>723058935
Oh I don't know, it's not like rigging it to where she's the nominee and the media taking her side except for RW extremist sites like Breitbart doesn't have effect, but you know...

>>723058770
>http://povertyinvienna.weebly.com/
Yea, I work as a social worker in Vienna. Poverty is something every city and country has to fight with. But we handle that situation very well. Nobody has to hunger and there is usually a place to sleep in a shelter and financial aid. Just posting that link alone does not tell anything about the situation there. It's not that poverty does exist, it's how many people are affected by it and what are the possibilities for them to get help if they reach out for it. It is sounding strange but there are a lot of homeless people that don't want any help. And we don't force our help upon them even if some might think that that is what socialism is about.

Btw. I still did not see any proof that Austria is recieving financial aid from any other country.

>>723058072
You claim to be educated. You still haven't named 1 country, princess.

>>723058178
>>723058397
>>723058465

>We don't receive any money since WWII from the US
>We don't rely on foreign aid

Wrong.

>http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/l/9/Austria

>>723058070
Equally a citizen of their state and US, but US government doesn't run the elections. If you feel so passionately, petition your representatives for a constitutional amendment. If it is passed legally, then I won't complain, although I still feel better knowing that my vote has extra weight.

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I voted trump, and still find this shit hilarious. It makes me think that any asshole can get to the top if you troll enough.

>>723058856
Still does not invalidate my point that Austria and Vienna in particular is a place with a high standard of living and a country that has proven that free eduaction, health care and a solid welfare system are working.

>>723045768

>Junior detected

So anyone without money, should not have rights?

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>>723057476
> and one reason Trump won is because these states (even typically blue states) went full rebellion against the Democrats for ignoring them and condescending them.
Precisely.

>As a resident of one of California's neighbors, I don't like the fact that their disproportionately high population gives them power over every election.
California may be have a high number of electors, but again, it's people voting, not states. California has the lowest vote:electore ratio in the country, so your person vote has more sway than theirs—that's what's not right.

>Getting rid of the electoral college does not eliminate this problem. I think you have too much faith in people's rationality. California would decide every single election
I agree that getting rid of the electoral college would not eliminate any problem of cohesiveness, in fact, I think it may even contribute to exasperating the issue. I'm just coming from the viewpoint that 1 person ought to equal 1 vote in the national election without muddying it up any.

>Austin is certainly not representative with the rest of Texas, so it doesn't really illustrate my point
Correct, and I stated that. I know Austin doesn't represent the rest of Texas well hence my aforementioned calrifier.

>however point out that all Americans have citizenship in their state as well as US citizenship. I consider myself a citizen of my state first and an American second.
1. Citizenship is to a country; a state in the USA is not a country; ergo, you are not a citizen of the state.

...all in all, I wasn't trying to refute any Trump's perceived attributes or Clinton's perceived failures, I just wasn't refuting the relevancy—or at the very least the skewed—of the particular map you showed. If everyone in my house (ten people) wanted to listen to song 1 and everyone outside (1 person) listen to song 2, and my backyard is bigger than my house, you style map would imply that "more" voted for song 2. That's all I was trying to get at.

>>723059106
Still glad I could agree with someone.

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>>723059055
No. It wouldn't.

The "economy" of California isn't based on the physical geographic presence, literally any industry in California could move to any other states with no problem aside from maybe a) the federally subsidized wine industry b) the federally subsidized orange industry and c) some avocado farms somewhere that no one gives a fuck about

There is nothing at all unique about California. Pull your head out of your ass. Our economy could take a few trillion dollar hit temporarily if it meant wiping out 80% of the country's AIDS in one swoop. I'm sure most people would vote in favor of that.

>>723059218
>You claim to be educated
I never claimed I am. I am just living there and therfor know it.

>You still haven't named 1 country, princess.

I named Austria for the third time now.

>Wrong.
>>http://us-foreign-aid.insidegov.com/l/9/Austria

Disbursed Aid: $3,429
lol we very much rely on that I'm sure

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>>723041392
I voted for Clinton. I hope you die as a result of Trump.
Abolish the electoral college and 22nd amendment. Problem solved.

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>>723059347
No. You didn't prove shit. The original claim was to prove that socialism could stand on it's own. I showed with provable numbers that Austria does, in fact, rely on foreign aid not to mention aid from numerous other Capitalist EU countries. Step out of the EU and see how long you last. You won't. Because Socialism (ie veiled Communism) has always and will always fail outright. You're an indoctrinated mook posting relocation surveys that are only going to attract executives and minimize any problems the place has. Your propaganda doesn't fly here, Pol Pot you can fuck right off.

>>723059368
I understand completely where you come from. And if you feel that one person equals one vote, I accept your differing opinion. But my point is that what we have now is better than the alternative. If somebody could come up with a better system, I'd like to hear it. But I don't think it would be possible within our current laws.
>1. Citizenship is to a country; a state in the USA is not a country; ergo, you are not a citizen of the state
Another passage from Wiki:
>A U.S. state is a constituent political entity of the United States of America. There are 50 states, which are bound together in a union with each other. Each state holds administrative jurisdiction over a defined geographic territory, and shares its sovereignty with the United States federal government. Due to the shared sovereignty between each state and the federal government, Americans are citizens of both the federal republic and of the state in which they reside. (Article: U.S. state)

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>>723059665
>claims Austria's education system is great

>reads $395,823.00 as $3,429 because he failed basic "numbers class."

You claimed the education system was great which would imply you got a great education and therefore were educated. Or did you just live the first 20 years of your life living in a fucking tree in Vienna or something and never go to school?

wew lad

>>723059200
>"we can give you helps with money and food"
>"noh, keep it away from me, i wanna die alone"
Either you're trying to prove a point with something that isn't happening, or that just means that even those homeless people see through your utopian bullshit.

Communism has to take money away from somewhere, if the state has money but the people are poor, those people won't give a shit about your ideas of something that is impossible to come true.