Ask a romanian pipe welder anything! >pic related Have so

>>722944053
I'm not impressed with that weld. No wonder Romania is still a 3rd world country

what difference is there in welding romanian pipes compared to normal pipes?

>>722944146
you in romania!
small difference

>>722944146
Kekd

>>722944144
i've started tig welding about 8 months ago.

>>722944146
kek
no diff just average carbon-steel pipes

>>722944664
>'Merica Weld

>>722944053
Post your best weld?

>>722944664
That looks like a robo-vagoo

>>722944053
How much money per month?

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>>722944911
i don't usually take pics of my welds.
here's a ss one , a colague took the pic it's from his fb, but i spent to much time on it . if you want quality you won't get 80" at the end of the day it's all a time challange
i don't know if i can do better than this, never tryed it do'

>>722945311
6euro/hour
220-240 hours per month
you do the math
minimin wage here is 280 euros

Respect anon,great welds,I have an ac/dc200A tig machine but I'm not so good like you

>>722944664
don't melt the bevel edges when you are filling , leave something like 1-0.5mm , get 2 rods and lay them down when you do the cap , let it cool before , 130-170 amp's should melt it nicely depending on your hand speed, also stop it with the wire brush , it does not make a major diff when welding with higher amps and it's a time killer.Nice weld keep it up , use the lay wire tech. next time see how that goes.

>>722944053
youre awesome pal

>>722945534
castigi binisor , de unde esti?

>>722945677
*practice practice practice*
some youtube vids with tips and you have the basics after that it all depends on you ... 10h/day for 8 months and i got here... no coffe nor sodas .. at least 8 h of sleep .. try not to get mad and take half a rod with you everiwhere and play with it , be pacient you'll get there

>>722946190
buc

>>722946190
nu-i cere mai multe detalii ca ma doxx-eaza astia

people saying its shit ive been welding for 6 years and seen people welding 2 years not able to weld circles as fine as this. Nice work OP

>>722946279
thx
i belive that if you give it 100% you will get there in less time . i know a dude that started at about the same time with the same mig-mag,co2 background ... he kills me when it comes to tig , he probably figured it out faster ..idk

pretty weld cap, but you've probably fucked it all up with all that grinding in the HAZ.

>>722946861
had to grind it , pipe fitter is a old fag 50-60 something & he does not give a fuck , the bevel was not even close to 30* and had like 3-5mm diff within the outside diameter between the pipes.it passed the xray i don't give a fuck

>>722944053
What Is that? A trash TIG weave?

>>722947402
let's see your 6g welds fagoo

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Swedish welder here, been doing car upgrades and repairs for 11 years. Here is my latest.
>rate me.

>>722947643
>>722945450
>>722944664
>>722944053
They have robots now that weld. Good luck on having a job in 10 years once they are able to make the robots less expensive and more portable. I'd go back to school now if I we're y'all

>>722947643
thickness of the material?
freehand never looks good and doignt it for so long you started the "i don't really give a fuck" phase. you could walked/wiggled the cup there and wire brush it to remove the scratch mark left behind by the cup. 8/10 you could do a 10/10 just jive a fuck more.kek

>>722944053
dear asshole,
this is not reddit.
kys

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>>722947829
Yes because a tiny workshop in a town with less than 1200 people is gonna get a robot when having an employee is cheaper...
And I often do "house calls". Good luck bringing a robot over to some dude's house, get the robot to dismantle a car and doing the job before putting the car back together...

>>722948032
1.5 mm throughout. Made the entire exhaust in the same piping and thickness. 2.5" straight through until it hits the muffler. Not much in there either.
Load as fuck with some strange echo in it but hey customers make the rules..

>>722947829
you have a point buut , the robot get's 100% welds when the fitting is 100% correct , you can't hook up the robot on the field or in the rafinery like in the shop , it's a lot to discuss here . The robot can't improvise and does not run by itself. Just think about it.

>>722948592
Like I wrote above as well, shit's not gonna work for 99% of the jobs I do. I don't sit in some huge factory, got a tiny workshop and do a lot of jobs outside etc.
We welders will always be needed.

>>722948592
The fuck are you on about?

>>722949101
He's talking about reality.

>>722948409
i don't understand how he will do a 100-300km trip with that 2.5" .i had a 600 f4 and done a str8 2" exaust ... it was fun for short trips work-home 10-20 km but when i did a 200km one i wanted to leave it there and get a bus. customers rules , kek

>>722948102
op here
dear fag
this is /b = random
you probably prefer more fag/trap/fluffy/gay/maga/trump shit threds
why post here?

De unde esti frate? Ce te-aduce pe site?

>>722944053
why metals discolor when heated?

>>722949101
if you are not familiarised with field welding you don't even know half of it. you probably saw a tig mig smaw robot weld on yt ok .. it could take over .. but not in the next 20-30 years.A robot will weld as long as the fitting is 100% alighned and after some tests wich include travel/speed/amps/wire speed and they will have to change as the weld goes , at least on pipe , you don't have the same weld parameters like amps and wire speed if the pipe's in position, it takes a long ass time , and if you are 0.5 mm offset you can ruin the weld thus cutting it .. thus time loss...thus less money.Your question was my question after reading your post.

>>722949299
Well the Volvo kids as we call them here in Sweden (drives old rwd Volvo's like the 740) always drive their cars loud as fuck.
You can hear them coming across the town..
I prefer making more advanced systems, getting the right sound instead of the loudest.

>>722949808
Impurity

>>722949808
Oxide?

>>722950018
what impurity?
>>722950089
iron oxides r not blue or yellow

>>722949808
op here
probably has to do with the temperature variation on the surface and interaction with gas molecules in the air

>>722950108
Nothing is 100% pure. There are minerals and other metals which oxidize and cause coloration. Rarely diffraction will do it too.

>>722949699
romania kek
e duminica si ma plictisesc

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>>722944144
very nice stack of dimes er rather stack of silver bars

>>722950181
there isnt that many impurities in the material. If there was, it wouldnt have the properties of the element

>>722950108
>Oxide?
>iron oxides
?

>>722950296
>what is steel

>>722950269
Looks like 0.001% could make that thin surface color.

>>722949808
The Swedish welder guy here, When steel heats up, its structure changes. As the surface of the heated steel meets the atmosphere, it reacts with the elements in the air and oxidizes. The colors that result depend on the makeup of the metal, the composition of the atmosphere, the temperature at which they meet, and the duration of time the metal is exposed at the elevated temperature. What’s happening is the metal is oxidizing extremely fast.

>>722950417
im not convinced

>>722950319
Iron and carbon

>>722950009
we have some like this in romania
but if the right policeman stops you "goodbye papers"
we all prefer something over the other ... again back to the customer's rules. trying to find the right sound with the right performance is a hard job and it takes a lot of time ... i probably don't have that patience , i envy you for that

>>722950455
>>722950461
which oxides of those elements r gold or blue?

>>722950458
Then go find 100% pure iron and burn it. Tell me when you find 100% pure iron though. Show it to me.

>>722950520
The dress you fucking idiot!

>>722950555
those elements r not homo and dont wear dresses
>>722950525
then go contaminate a sample so much, that anything u do to it will cause large artefacts every time

>>722950486
hehe I'm a perfectionist, I like getting a difficult job.
Last year I did a exhaust for a Opel Manta.
Experimented with different materials (stainless, Titanium etc) and thickness of materials. Even did different bends and chokepoints. Eventually me and the owner found a set-up that sounded real nice. Gave a nice, healthy rally like sound but still legally silent. Gave him a few extra hp as well compared to the broken original. Took 3 weeks.

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>>722950555

>>722950486
Also a lot of these kids who wants a loud car fail to understand they won't pass the annual car inspection. They will get a fail and the car will be flagged until it's fixed.
Guess who they come to when they need it fixed? Me lol.. So while it hurts making those 2.2" even some 3" systems I kinda laugh inside because I know they will be back soon and need more work done. More money for me.

>>722950678
it's great that you're not pressured by time or how much you do at the end of the day ... you can experiment/improvise .
i have a logan mcv 1.6.16v what pipe should i go for the exaust ? i want it to be dead silent

>>722944053
Why do you still steal cooper ?

Why cant you work instead of stealing others people's renault 12 and dacia 1300?

>>722950927
kek ... i get it
i worked as a mechanic's helper for about 4 years... i helped the mechanic arround with some rally cars mounting/welding rollbars and tuneing the car.i had my fair share of "ricers" with 1.4 petrol engine who wanted more power out of it. we insisted that it is a bad investment and it's a bad ideea to jump from 8l/100km to 18 .. but hey ..again with the customers rules.First word of advice from the mechanic : if the customer want's you to drill his head lights , tell him it's a bad ideea.. drill them with a desighn and take the money for desighn the not the drilling.

>>722951396
french fag detected
before i write more .. how old are you ?

>>722951157
Not anything above 1.8" in diameter (not sure about Dacia's original size, might be smaller)
And two mufflers. One "half way" muffler in the middle of the system, they are usually called intermediate mufflers and one bigger one in the end of the system. Thicker material 2+mm in material for less "echo" is recommended but it's harder to weld.
As many bends in the system as possible without affecting the performance is also a good way of reducing sound.

>>722951721
Exactly. I once had a kid come in with his Volkswagen Polo fron '98. Original 75 hp. He wanted a turbo and everything. Said he needed 200 hp. In a shitty 1.4 liter or something..
That time we had to refuse him. Told him it was cheaper to buy a new car with more power.
He did. Bought an BMW M3. Came in 6 weeks later and wanted a 3" system straight through...
Completely ruined the beautiful sound of the original but hey his choice.

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>>722951990
i think it's a 1.5"
should i go with the fexible joint ( idk the exact english term for it )
the original exhaust does not have it , i'm thinking than a 2+mm pipe is less flexible than the 0.5 mm that is mounted and i don't want it to stree the rubber dampers

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>>722950458
Maybe you should try confirming it then.
Was pic related really so difficult?

>>722952522
Yes go with the flexible. Always have flexible joints when you work with 2+ mm.
If it is 0.5 mm now just the thickness with make it a lot more quiet.
And make sure you look over the mounts, the new system will be heavier, a lot heavier. You don't want the thing falling off going down the road ;)

>>722944053
Esti din bucuresti? Unde lucrezi?

Everybody can weld. Why do welders keep thinking they do some kind of super hard job that they are really proud of?
Fuck these kind of retards really need help and some schooling

>>722952522
Also will you change the manifold ?
I know a lot of factory cars have crappy made manifolds that "leak" sound a lot. It's not a easy weld to make a new one but worth it.
Also the pipe in the manifolds will be a thicker diameter across than the exhaust. Can create a horrible humming sound if the size differ too much. But it's just my perfectionist brain talking now lol.

>>722944053

How do you feel about the fact that Romanians are the first group to displace Jamaicans as the most arrested nationality in London?

Also why are so many of your women prostitutes?

>>722953036
>Esti din bucuresti?
da
>Unde lucrezi?
de ce ?

>>722947829
there are robots that can spam posts on the internet too, but here you are hacking away at your keyboard like a retard

>>722948158

you think that it's an impossibility in the future for robots to be smart enough and agile enough to walk, move and do tasks humans can do now just better, faster and cheaper.... you are deluding yourself, its coming.

>>722953188
the manifold is a must ...
i want an ss plate cnc'ed out to the dimension and at the holes half carved inside si i can fit the pipe inside the manifold like 2-3mm and weld from there

>>722947829
Its not just the welding aspect.
Most welders are fabricators.
Go get me a quote on a robot that can take car X when the customer drops it off and build a roll cage in it.

>>722953573
> future
Yeah in 500-1000 years maybe.. You are gonna need a robot with 100% human AI.
There is too much improvisation in this work for anything else. I highly doubt the human race is still around by then..

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>>722950520
>which oxides of those elements r gold or blue?

all the same oxide - iron oxide, as its ferrous metal piping.

the different colour is from different thicknesses, and it is indicative of how hot the metal got.

here's steel that's been heated to different temperatures for knife-making - as it gets hotter, a film of iron oxide develops, which interferes with the light, absorbing certain wavelengths - hence, we see particular colours.

starts off going yellowish, then bronze, then a purple, then bright peacock blue, then a pale blue. after that if it gets hotter, it goes a ice-blue grey, and after that it starts to form a hard black scaly surface called fire-scale.

>>722953681
That's sounds like it will be great mate.

>>722953752
https://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY

here is a robot coming to fuck your wife.

https://youtu.be/bqZWNn5qZ7U?t=1m44s

and here is a robot coming to fuck you

>>722953266
i don't really give a fuck .
thoes may be even gypos
a based romanian does not do shit like that , you are outnumbered by sandniggers ... i don't think that romanians represent the major problem in uk.
>how do you feel
if they are romanians i feel dissapointed , get them the harshest treatment in jail , if they are gypos ... execute them on site
>Also why are so many of your women prostitutes?
ever comed to tought .... money ?

>>722953870
thx for the advice swedbro
nothing above 1.8"
2+mm thickness
flexible joint
*mounts !
noted

>>722954028
Lol yeah that thing is gonna replace me tomorrow...
>kek
Get of your computer and go out do a welding job. When you come home covered in oil and with bruised knuckles from fighting a manifold covered in muck for 3 hours with run-down bolts and welded it by hand all while working in the rain then please come back and we can talk.
No robot is gonna do that in the near future.

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>>722953041
OP here
if everybody can weld then post your welds

>>722954296
No problem, would do it for you if we lived closer together. Never worked on a Dacia before.

>>722954360

have you seen robots in factories welding, it's not an impossible task for them to do, couple that with advancements in robotics over the next 10 - 20 years, yes, i absolutely think it is going to replace you and sooner than you think. not 500 - 1000 years try 10 - 20.

How is Romania, recommend it for anons to travel around and sight see?

I want to go and have heard great things, super friendly people, and great food.....

Can u get by on only english?

>>722954360

why would a robot need to remove a manifold cover when it could cut it off with a torch, do what it needs to do then refix it itself in a way in which makes it easier for either itself or another robot to come along in the future and carry out other works to it. you think too narrowly or maybe i think too highly. we'll see soon enough....

>>722954458
The robots in factories need extremely advanced computers taking up entire rooms now.. They are completely human programmed, cost millions and don't move.
People like you have always been around. "oh you gonna get replaced by robo welder" guess what. Ain't gonna happen.
First of all no one would trust them where I live, second of all it's science fiction at the moment.

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>>722954592
Cut off a manifold with a torch.. Next to gaslines and other flammable liquids...
>Found the guy who never touched a wrench in his life. Kek.

>>722954614

and modern day pc's used to fill entire rooms also, it didn't many years for it to condense to the size of the palm of your hand and slips in your pocket. people don't have to trust them, when it comes to cost, efficiency and human greed anything is possible.

>>722954724

>all manifolds have to be next to gas lines and other flammable liquids
spot the American.

>>722954782
Ok buddy. I like your enthusiasm.
>kek.

>>722954832
Nope I'm Swedish. And the number one rule when working inside the engine compartment of any car. let it be a V8 or a 1.2 inline 4 cyl. NEVER use a torch to remove anything.
How about the left over threaded bolts inside?
How you gonna remove them?
What happens when you put it back together?
Weld everything? Right.
How old are you? 12?

>>722954538
>How is Romania, recommend it for anons to travel around and sight see?
You have a lot to see here ... best if you talk to a guide... i can poit you to the mountains but do a little reasearch before , it depends on you .
>I want to go and have heard great things, super friendly people, and great food..
"heard great things" kek that's not what the internet sayes , friendly people you can find all over just be aware of the shitskinned ones they are probably gypos , people living in the bigger cities are a lot stressed ...
>Can u get by on only english?
pretty much yes , but get your eng-romanian dictionary and write down stuff you will probably ask/say, just in case ;)

>>722955228
Heard great things from people actually going there, not people paid to shitpost on thier "travel diary blogs"

Thanks bro, same rules as home, avoid sand niggers, towel heads, and gypsies. Got it! ;)

>>722954863

i dont like your lack of
kek

>>722955361
>Thanks bro, same rules as home, avoid sand niggers, towel heads, and gypsies. Got it! ;)
just curious where's "home"? uk , germany or sweden ?

>>722955557
Those rules apply to all of Europe.

>>722954989

car manufactures will just change the way parts are fitted together to suit their robotics, they will come up with new robot friendly ways to fix things together just like they had to come up with ways to fit things together that humans can understand and learn and do.

new standards will likely arise that are robot compliant then all car manufactures will adhere to the same standard ensuring that when you take your vehicle or when it takes itself ;) to the garage it can be fixed by whichever robot is stationed there.

don't get butthurt that your salary is finite and your worth as a welder is decreasing. you're not the only one who is going to lose their job.

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>>722955627

>>722955557
Actually from US, we still have some somali towel heads in our town, can't get away from shit skins even in rural farm towns

>>722955747
you got your fields mixed up ...
but you are right on one thing .. the car manufacturing does not need welders but the oil industry does , so as long as you need to get some liquid out of the ground that will be extracted/delivered trough pipes ... you still have welders

>>722955747
How about the millions of older cars?
Ah screw it, no point in arguing with some little kid/retard with a robot fetish..

>>722955747
So what car model is the robot there programmed and built to work on?

I am 90% sure by the way you're arguing your point to him that you're the same retard I had this same argument with when you argued that robots will replace soldiers in the next few decades.

You are wrong.

>>722956115

eventually old cars will be phased out, there will likely be a niche for human mechanics to fix older vehicles for people who just like to drive or just haven't yet upgraded to a new vehicle or just like collecting older cars, but the job opportunities will get sparser and sparser as newer vehicles take to the roads.

it's okay buddy, I know you're upset. try to settle down a bit.

>>722956203

I haven't argued about robots replacing soldiers before. but it's an interesting topic.

>>722956516
not the anon you were arguing with
you really need to take a break from westworld
you are like pajeets ... thretens that will be a superpower but still shat on the streets
can't take you serious

>>722956813
Just ignore him. Idiots like him pop up sometimes.
He also seem to think that welding only exists in the car industry...

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>>722956516
Not going to happen anon. I've worked as mechanic and then a machinist for 22 years and program cnc "robots" etc. The 3D print machines will change things but your understanding of how and what these robots are capible of is off. I've set up large production machines and through fixturing and programming phased out many people's jobs but it's all geared to production work of the exact same parts that are produced repeatably. There will always be a need for welders and Manuel machinists as any automated production requires programming and set up to run parts. By the time one is ready with a cnc machine to run a single part a person on a Manuel machine would be done and have a half a day of production done.

>>722956813

We're having a friendly discussion or I was at least.

How can you compare India and their words / actions, to robots? i fail to see the relevance of this comparison.

>>722957056

You do know machine learning and AI is advancing very quickly right?

I'm not that guy, but he does have a point. If a human can do it with their hands, a robot will be able to do it better and faster one day.

>>722957056

I'm not saying it's going to happen overnight. I said 10 - 20 years, a lot can happen in that time, especially since intelligent robotics that are able to dynamically interact with their environment are only just starting to take off, when it gains more traction I think people will start to realise the implications.

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>>722956973
done
lemme post this gif

>>722956973
>>722957374

You can remain in denial all you want fellas, it's not going to change the inevitable.

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Check out my welds bros been welding for 2 years now

>>722957293
Nobody is denying that.
10-20 years is absolute nonsense though.

>>722957501
have you ever tried to meld all of the electode?

>>722944053
si unde lucrezi ca sudor acum?

>>722957620

Having a quad core phone that links up to everything in my house was wishful thinking 20 years ago too, still happened earlier than that.

>>722957461
They are denying your unrealistic timeframe, not the inevitability of it happening

By the time a humanoid robot able to independently assess a job and manually perform it in the welding field exist, almost every job would've been made redundant.

>>722957706
cate firme mari cunosti in bucuresti care se ocupa cu asa ceva ?

>>722957293
The cost vs reality of most shops will make it very uncommon for a long long time. Even large factory's right now are usually not fully automated. With car manufactures and such maybe but any place other than that can't afford most of the modern machinery

>>722957775
Yet there is very little it can do that old computers couldnt.
It's just smaller and faster.

Remote radio communication has existed for a long time.

That's very different than a computer that can make decisions and find it's own solutions outside of programmed parameters

>>722944053
I hate Romanian drivers and truckers.
Just fuck you guys, you are the cancer of Europe.

>>722957797

Why does it have to take on a humanoid form? are we sure humanoids are the best possible form for something to be? we only think that because we know no different.

So in 10 - 20 years we won't even see a inkling of the bigger future changes to come?

Maybe not full takeover but a much better insight into the direction.

>>722958014
why ?
do you drive slow ?

>>722957933

> That's very different than a computer that can make decisions and find it's own solutions outside of programmed parameters

Which is what is being researched, tested, and soon to be utilized in tons of fields. I'm just saying we'll probably see it before we die.

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>>722957315
We'll see how it goes. Robotic machines have been common since the 1980's and most shops don't have them or can compete with cheap Chinese shot goods even if they do. It's the same problem with the modern military equipment. They become so expensive that the number of planes etc is reduced to balance everything to a point of having one plane to share between all of the wings of the military if the trend keeps going on.

>>722958135
Well, in a city, with 50km/h, yes.
While the Romanian truck driver wants to go with 90, and is not afraid of killing people.

Nigga started overtaking cars on hills, in corners, WITH A FUCKING TRUCK.
But yeah, that's just one experience, I drive a lot, meet with tons.

Last incident was with some german woman in a BMW. She went to overtake the truck, so she went into the left lane. Romanian trucker saw that the road will be one-lane-only later on, so he just decided to instantly change lanes. Almost crushed the car.

But yeah, I could write a fucking book about incidents as such.

>>722958256

Robotics have been around for a while you are right, but they have never had the attention they are starting to get. All attention has been on creating maximum computational power and condensing it, now we have got to a point we can build on that foundation with advanced robotics. maybe i am naive.

>>722953041
everyone can program if they can type, your point being?

>>722958120
You would understand why if you had any experience with welding other than assembly line manufacturing.

Every job is different, parts need to be assembled differently and held differently.

Mass assembly line welding is already automated.

That is a tiny part of welding.
He'll of a lot of welding is at heights as well.

It's just not remotely reasonable in a 10-20 year period for what you are expecting.

>>722948592
There are already self-driving cars that are better than humans - and welders only have to deal with mechanical parts and not humans who may or may not be obeying the traffic laws. A robot welder that can you everything you do is only a matter of time once someone decides that it's worth the money to produce one.

Not saying it'll happen in the next decade or two, but it's only a matter of time.

>>722958217
The AI you may be right on, still won't be human problem solving level though.
But robots that can replace human welders is way way off.

>>722958438
Your right about the computer advancements but I think the thing that will stifle its full use is the value of the computer controlled units vs the cost of human labor and people's ability to adapt and solve problems well enough. There are hordes of poor people through the world that are way cheaper to use as labor than a cutting edge machine that costs so much only a small % of company's can afford.

>>722944053
You ok with having used too many Italian words?

>>722944144
Google translate: I've never done welding in my life

OP, I've been welding for 3 years and mine still looks like pigeon shit. Good work.

Nigga thats a bad weld, burned too hot. Also what kind of welding

>>722950269
It's almost certainly not pure iron but an alloy.

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>>722944053
I'm a hungarian HVAC technician. I see you're using GTAW. I used to weld gas pipes but now I'm using Viega Megapress to connect pipelines.

>>722958418
if he wants to go with 90 ... move to the first lane let him pass ... what is your problem ..
i hate second lane addicts ... enev here in ro ... man gtfo the second lane ,do 50 in the first lane.
About your german women in a bmw ...maybe she didn't calculate the distance .. i don't fucking belive you ... truck drivers here a the most disciplined drivers... bring proof to the table

>Nigga started overtaking cars on hills, in corners, WITH A FUCKING TRUCK
if the road had 2 lanes that is overpassing
but yea ...still don't belive you what are you asian ?

>>722958632
as a programmer, your logic is faulty.
The traffic has rules which everyone abides by. The conditions are always the same form the cars standpoint. The only thing a car can do is forward, backward, left, right and stop.

To make a driver less car you need
a car
all the traffic rules
and the sensors measuring the distance to everything around it.

Then you write the software for it, and the programmers needs to understand everything about the traffic.

I know of few programmers that know of welding. The robots that you see welding in a factory, learned that from an actual welder. A welder goes to the factory the first day. He wears a computerized glove with sensors. He then proceeds to weld. Then the robots will do the exact same thing he did.

Welding robots aren't smart, they are just repeating a motion someone did, nothing more.
And AI is total random garbage at this point. Sometimes it works perfectly and the other times it will just try and kill itself

>>722953752
>I highly doubt the human race is still around by then..
Then you must know very little about the current state of robotics.

>>722958822
increase amps ;)

>>722959075
So within the next 100 years we will have robots with the agility of a human worker plus the intelligence of a human?
Ok mate. Also flying cars and everyone will have a personal jetpack..
Dream on.
Robotics might be advancing but forget that level any time soon..

>>722958833
HOW MUCH CARBON OR NICKEL IS THERE IN IRON? 30%?

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welding for 13 years now

>>722958783

There are hordes of cheap human labour available, but there is a reason it's cheap and widely available and namely that's because they are not highly skilled and only capable of menial tasks. sure you could teach a human to do any job, but let's say you select a poor man from india, how much would it cost + the time needed, first to get his education up to standard and then begin to teach him years worth of knowledge that can only be gleamed via real world experience, would it be more cost effective to have a robot know exactly what it is doing, the most efficient way to achieve the desired outcome and do it repeatably the same each and every time to a high degree of accuracy and within certain tolerances. Robots don't require food, don't require water, don't require sleep, don't have families, don't have emotions, don't have to have roots in one location. they may require maintenance but that is a far cry from the requirements of a human worker.

also we're not taking into consideration the human brain and the way it works, the way we biologically store information, the way we pull that information from our memory banks and put it use. we use the human brain as a kind of goal to reach, if we can get robots inline with the human brain then we are doing something amazing, but what about thinking beyond that, the human brain is all we know, but we don't know it's the best of the best, just that it's the best at what it does currently.

>>722958910
hey hun bro ...
interesting system for water ... i'll have to do some research on this i like it

>>722959370

Do you work for KwiK Fit?

>>722959494

+ a robot only has to learn once then that information is infinity repeatable to every other robot.

>>722959370
sw ... i think it will pass the LP test ..
What do you think ?
kek'd

>>722959311
He is incapable of even considering that he may be wrong.
It's pointless to argue with someone that has decided they can not be wrong from the beginning

>>722959494
You have no idea what automated assembly robots cost do you?

>>722959565

Dunno I see a lot of waste from CNC and robotic welds. Something only has to go slightly wrong and you make a thousand mistakes before it's noticed

>>722959515
no
>>722959620
sure, what should be wrong with it

>>722959067
>The traffic has rules which everyone abides by. The conditions are always the same form the cars standpoint. The only thing a car can do is forward, backward, left, right and stop.

As I pointed out, everyone DOES NOT always follow the rules - and even when they DO follow the rules, not everything people do is easily predictable. The conditions are NOT always the same - sometimes the road can be wet or icy, other times it's uneven. Sometimes the lanes are wider, sometimes narrower. How fast you're moving affects everything you do. Driving a car is actually a pretty complex operation, once you start getting into the details. Making a welding robot that can figure out how to do a particular weld is actually fairly simple compared to making a self-driving car.

>>722959673
Pretty much like a "devote Christian" in his thinking. He's right, everyone else is wrong.

>>722959795

Do you know how much the first computer would have cost? The ones that filled entire rooms? Now it's in your pocket for a couple 100.

>>722959311
>So within the next 100 years we will have robots with the agility of a human worker plus the intelligence of a human?
Actual robots with human intelligence aren't happening any time soon. Robots capable of replacing humans in specialized jobs like welding, though? Going to happen within twenty or thirty years. Despite how much you might think of yourself, you don't need general AI to make a bot that can weld better than you can.

>>722944053
What inspired you to take up welding?

>>722959960

You havent presented any tangable counter arguments, just crying about how it's not possible and I am telling you it is possible in detail. I have admitted I might be naive....

should i write a linux distro called robix? short for robotic instrument control server. it'd include gnu, the apt package manager, its own premiere package manager specifically for community-made custom motor and peripheral drivers (so you can make the robot do stuff), an ssh server daemon (since robots usually don't have monitors), a text editor and build toolchain (so you can make the robot do stuff even if there aren't already custom drivers out there for what you want it to do), some libraries for movement and object detection, and a pre-installed script to monitor battery life and respond to criticality by beginning to autonomously navigate the area in search of spare batteries or a power outlet while avoiding obstacles. i'd ship it on goofy little drones and market them as robot penguin maids.

>>722958910
go away soos guy

>>722960347
not the other guy but:
>tangable
kek

>>722960222
But you seem to think welding is all in white, clean factory locations with zero problems..
How about going out to a customer who lives in the middle of nowhere and welding a bracket on his old tractor that broke down? What robot is gonna do that? I do shit like that every day.

>>722953813
Do you know what kind of steel that is?

>>722960005
You just directly compared cheap human labour and current robots to point out that the human isn't as cheap as it appears.

It was stupid and wrong, and your response to it wasn't relevant.

The price of factory robots hasn't dropped and we've had them since the 80s for fucks sake.

It just seems you have no practical understanding of what youre talking about.
You've just read some articles about robotics and took it as 100% fact.

If I sell a product that you will only need to purchase from me once or twice over a lifetime, the price is never going down.

>>722960432

Oops i made a mistake on the internet. Shoot me.

>>722960564
no anon, death isn't the answer ;-;

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Weld this romanian prostitute bitch to a rocket. Thank you.

I'll be worried about robots replacing welders once we have a robot that can run to the store to get me tp when I've run out from a sloppy shit

>>722960499

Price hasnt dropped yet. No. I'm not disagreeing with you.

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>>722960564
>tangable
>(adj): subject to tang

>>722960347
A number of anons have explained to you numerous times why automated welding beyond assembly line manufacturing is far more difficult than you realize.

You don't agree or understand so you choose not to believe it.
That's what he meant with the religious comment and then you respond like that.

>>722960639
Holy shit the chin on her. She should take up boxing

>>722960639
> trusting Romanians
> even getting to know them
its your fault, anon.

>>722960451
>But you seem to think welding is all in white, clean factory locations with zero problems..
Nope.

>How about going out to a customer who lives in the middle of nowhere and welding a bracket on his old tractor that broke down? What robot is gonna do that? I do shit like that every day.
We already have robots that can drive there. Then it's just a matter of loading a suitable welding bot into it, then having the robot car unload the welding bot, the welding bot scanning the tractor, detecting the defective part(assuming it doesn't already have that information), figure out how to best fix it, then actually do the welding. All in all, it probably takes more computing power to get the welding bot there than it does to fix the tractor.

>>722960341
honestly money ... and i don't have to do anything else .. just weld ..
minimum wage here is 280 euros ... i make 1400 ..
i have a friend in denmark ... he steps over the 5000 euros a month ..

>>722960729

I understand, I just don't agree and because I don't agree that means I don't know when i am wrong? I should just blindly agree even though I don't think something is true? b-b-but you should listen to these guys... why would I listen to them anymore than they should listen to me?

>>722960408
A minimalist general purpose robot would never work because you'd need tons and tons of software for it to do anything useful. Now, a minimalist general purpose robot that overcomes the prohibitive difficulty of developing and maintaining that much software by harnessing the power in numbers and virility of the FOSS movement, that's actually pretty clever. Even so, cost is still an issue. Unless you're the richest man in the world and you're willing to hand these things out like candy, you just won't have enough fuel to get this rocket off the ground.

If you are, though, I'll take eight.

>>722960966
It also needs to understand what the bracket is for and what purpose it will be performing, have a concept of the item to be attached to the bracket, actually make the bracket because it doesn't actually exist yet which means getting the correct piece of steel, cut and bend it, after assessing that piece of steel for damage or faults....

Then when it's all done, assess the work for quality then actually attach the item to the bracket and test it's functionality.

It's not nearly as simple as you think, and what kind of robot woukd you need that could oerform all of those functions?

Not a single robot arm that's for sure

>>722961209
Well from your own point, you have made no argument as to why these arguments made couldn't be overcome by a robot, you just say it can and are correct.

>>722960966
Or I can drive out there, wade through the muddy field, clean off the broken metal, access the situation in second, weld it, get payed and then go and do 5 other jobs directly after without having to keep changing robots and be done hours faster and save tons of fuel and labor costs...
But if you gonna complicate it with Greg the robot then go ahead. Not a single farmer out here will ever hire you and your robot.

>>722961303
And which individual task do you think will be impossible for the said hypothetical robot?

>>722961420
That's not how it works.
There's your religious tendency coming back.

You give me some basic frame/transport/articulation design that could practically do all of those things.

>>722959495
not only for water. You can press gas pipes now

Whats you monthly income in Romania?

>>722961420
Everything combined. Use your brain.

>>722961614
That's some other guy you are responding to, not me. Ah the challenges of an annoymous imageboard.

>>722961802
>Everything combined. Use your brain.
So you're saying that a robot could do EACH of these tasks, but it can't do ALL of them?

>>722961820
Wish we had ID's back again

>>722961303
>what kind of robot woukd you need that could oerform all of those functions?
>obtain human
>remove prefrontal cortex
>replace with bluetooth receiver welded to neuroprosthetic adapter

>>722961792
280 euros

>>722944053
Beautiful weld mr pipe welder. My dad is certified steam piping and powerplant welder. He likes your weld too.

>>722961900
yeah, I would use it on all boards.

>>722953462
underrated post

>>722961881
A certain robot
Not a single robot

If you really couldn't grasp that then you're a fucking moron

Whats next? Transformers?
Just bolt all the separate robots together and out it on tank tracks?

What s powering this magic robot anyway?
You surely don't expect an arc welder to run on batteries do you?

>>722961929
That's pretty much the extent of the argument as to why it's not happening in the next few decades

>>722961881
A robot could maybe do those things in a controlled environment with a supervisor and even then it's a weak maybe.
Put it out in the field and you can simply forget it. Robot's can barely walk on flat ground today never the less you are telling me that in a few years they are basically humans.
What meds are you on?

>>722962242
>A robot could maybe do those things in a controlled environment with a supervisor and even then it's a weak maybe.
Sure, you start with that. Then you iterate a couple thousand times or however many times it takes for the learning algorithm to get good.

>>722961881
Also how are we gonna deal with the power issue?
Todays batteries are nowhere close to the needed power needed.
But I guess you think a robot that can do about 80 different tasks (pretty much every job) at once, has a human AI and is capable of all that is gonna run on four AA batteries...

>>722962388
That's like saying a one armed guy can become a great golfer with lots of practice.

We are talking about physically performing these tasks.

What kind of robot are you imagining because it sounds like you mean a human robot.
Not happening anytime soon

>>722947829
Going to school now for welding. Unless the come up with robots that cut grind and weld in all sorts of places.. I think my future is secure.

>>722960408
are you an idiot?
have you literally not been reading any of this conversation?

what you're talking about isn't a robot, it's a computer with legs. you can't just fucking stick motors on a computer and call it a robot. why? because a robot is an industrial machine, and a computer is fragile. what you gonna go when the software has glitches, and your shitty excuse for a robot runs into something or falls over, and hits its "head?" the disk hits the RW arm, all your hard work is destroyed, and you've got a worthless pile of motors that's wired up real good but can't fucking do anything. that is the WHOLE POINT of robotics as a separate field from computer science and electrical engineering.

>>722962388
And then said robot faces a problem it has not trained for and boom just like that it's useless.
Something that happens daily in this line of work.
Can said robot improvise a piece of metal by cutting off a fender from an old wrecked car and adjusting it to fit another function completely out on some farm? How is the robot gonna deal with that?
How is the robot gonna deal with customers who need something that isn't in the robots "training"?
How is it gonna power it self? You know how much power a welder uses? We are talking massive generators today because there is no battery capable of doing it.

>>722961941
Why are you staying there?
I mean you speak English, so you could gi to UK or Scandinavia, have a good job on a off shore platform. I bet they pay at least 10 times more in UK, and 20 times more on a platform

>>722962531

Aren't all robots just a collection of motors, metal and plastic? it's the software that divides it from a computer doing a specific set of tasks into a "thinking" thing that can interact with the environment and learn. just like the human body is a bunch of meat and bones without the brain that drives it. what are you going to do to a human that suffers a glitch such as seizure falls over and hits it head and is physically still "wired up" but is now permanently paralysed and can't move...

>>722957293
ITT: a bunch of faggots arguing over speculation

>>722963061

it's fun to speculate.

>>722963061
> How dare people have opinions on the future.
Retard pls go

>>722944053
Just stopping by to say that's a fine weld, sir.

>>722947829
They've had robots that can weld for a while now, although robot technology is getting pretty advanced you are not going to see robots welding outside or doing any underwater work in the near future.
Robots are more commonly used for automated production lines anyway and won't be so beneficial for a small shops doing small jobs.

>>722944053
Poti sa sudezi si plastic?

>>722964350

https://youtu.be/Omk4ZmRdxcg


may not be fully automated but it's a step.

>>722964534
Thats just a remote submarine.
This is not relevant to anything here

>>722964534
While that's very cool and all I don't really see that underwater drone being able to make a steady and cleaner weld than a person can do, at least not yet.

>>722965063

>a remote controlled machine capable of doing tasks humans can do isn't relevant to the overall topic of robotics.

you've got to create machines like this before you can instil them with learning ability, a brain if you like. it's a progressive step towards a fully automated robot.

>>722965351
What can it really do other than grab things though?

>>722965168

I agree 100%, not yet. but you can see the potential?

>>722965168
Remember that just ten years ago self-driving cars capable of functioning in normal traffic would have sounded pretty damn implausible as well.

Yes, I'm sure that at the moment having a robot do better job at welding than humans outside factories let alone in actually difficult conditions would be implausible. But in another twenty or thirty years? I wouldn't be at all surprised.

>>722965481
Yes, nowhere close to being within the next 20 years

>>722965459

Even if all it can do is grab things, it's still a starting point, you've got to start somewhere. then maybe you program it using the camera to be able to identify objects in 3D space on it's own, then it can make informed judgements on what should or shouldn't be picked up. the ability to pick things up is taken for granted by humans, if a robot has the ability to pick things up it can pick up tools, materials, move packages... lots of things can come from the basic ability of grabbing stuff.

>>722965481
Can't say I do, I'm no expert on underwater welding but I'm sure they need to be able to identify holes in a pipe line, and be able to weld in a precise and clean manner.
I'm not sue how a robot would be able to identify a hole in a pipe and if that robot should break underwater you've just lost a very expensive robot to underwater currents

>>722953041
Please post some of your welds.

>>722965826
I am aware of this.
We have robots that can pick things up.
They can pick up a hammer and nail, but they couldn't nail a plank for shit.

Nobody was arguing it won't happen, its just much further off than the 10-20 years the anon was so insistent on

>>722944053
nice weld dude.

>>>/diy/1130865

>>722959370
Nice welds!!

>>722966245
>They can pick up a hammer and nail, but they couldn't nail a plank for shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVaaGld401I

>>722966448
I don't know what point you are trying to make with that video unless you posted the wrong link

Maybe you meant the video where a human started a nail for it, then it took 15 second of edited footage to hammer a single nail in.

>>722944664
This is a nice TIG weld, OP's is a machine weld.

>>722965964

How do humans identify holes in pipes? if we're talking about underwater pipes holding pressure first there would be a drop in pressure that would notify a central computer which would then notify, lets call it a "repair bot" the repair bot is then sent to identify where said pressure leak is occurring if it's not already been located by the computer monitoring the pipeline at specific points, it could use various sensors to detect the leak, not just visual imaging but thermal imaging, pressure sensors that detect differential around the area of pipe which is leaking. this might not be feasible now, but it's not a complete impossibility to think this could absolutely happen in a relatively near future.

>>722966639
I thought that's the link you wanted.
A human started that nail for it, and that's not so much hammering as it is dropping a hammer onto a nail.
The video is 15 seconds, but you can see editing cuts between each strike so it took much longer than that for it to prep each strike.

All that's actually doing is positioning a weight above the nail and dropping it.

A craftsman would have many nails hammered in that time even with the editing, and wouldn't have smashed the wood in the process.
If the robot was using the correct hammer for nails, it wouldn't work.

>>722966921
In my opinion underwater welding will be the first to be automated.
General welding not even close to 20 years for the many reasons explained so far.
It would require a human to travel with the robot at all times which makes the robot unnecessary

Just like others have said, there will be a time/place for robotic welders but they will never replace a good, old fashioned free lance welder. For production work like welding the shells/tanks of water heaters, robots are just fine. For stuff in the field, it's not gonna happen. Robots don't have a depth of past experience/knowledge that they can draw from when welding and encounter a problem.

The other large impediment to robotic welding is the cost. Price out what GM spends on one of its frame welding robots. It's easily in the millions but all it does is weld the same thing every day, all day and saves GM the trouble on inconsistency and lawsuits from faulty vehicles.

What will the robot do when it needs to remove the back half of a fame, make a new from scratch tubing and reinstall it for a link suspension? The robot can't do shit unless its told when I could no problem.

Robots/machines are great for repetitive/consistent work but they will never replace the human brain

>>722966956
Sure, but that's just a general purpose robotic arm, not a hammering bot.

>>722947148
Story of my life. I end up rebeveling most anything I weld anymore. Fucking half blind fitters who don't give a shit are a headache.

>>722967173

General welding would depend on how humans choose to build structures going forward, for example building houses, offices and commercial factories with robots in mind, robot friendly architecture if you like.

there is obviously going to be backwards compatibility issues with robots built for a modern world trying to navigate through "old worldly" buildings, this will take time, a transnational period that could last quite a long time indeed.

>>722967569

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>>722949808
Oxidation

>>722967511
General purpose is required for any job that is not a 100% replicated action.
A hammering bit would be stationary and inflexible in the actions it can perform.

Sure it could hammer a nail, but not for a purpose.
It couldn't cut the wood to size, clamp it, set an nail and hammer it then repeat that from the opposing 90 degree face.

>>722967569
Industrial rigging and machinery will always need welding.
We're talking about the entire welding industry, most of which is mining and boilermaking.

Robots are not going to be free hanging on an climbing rope welding in the next 20 years.

Even the kind you're talking about couldn't do anything other than an actual repair weld.

Welding as a job is much more involved and varied.
It also needs power, so there still has to be a human with it, getting paid.
If there's a human robot watcher, why not just have him weld it instead

>>722959370
Looking good, almost there buddy!

>>722944053
which is more red pill. MIG or TIG.

>>722968080

how couldn't a robot that is able to manoeuvre a welding torch via rotary joints and move from location a to location b with some form of legs, weld anyway it pleases, as long as it's taught the basic principles and techniques?

power is a problem, batteries are servery lagging behind the rest of technology, hopefully that will get addressed. but since we are talking hypothetical, why not have each robot with a small nuclear battery inside of it, if we sure up the dangerous aspects of nuclear power to make it safer to be around.

>>722968553
Mig is ez pz, Tig takes more skill. Both get the job done.

>>722968915
Because the argument is about robots taking over the welding industry within 10-20 years, not about if it will ever happen.

It will eventually, not anything close to 20 years though.

The robot would also need to carry the materials and set them up ready to be welded.
Welders don't just show up and weld something sitting ready on their workbench.

>>722968915
Welding robots are fairly big and bulky and they are not as articulate as you think they are, it's possible to have a movable base for the robot but they are more commonly found on handling robots.

>>722969278

What are you using to come to the conclusion that in 20 years we won't be exponentially more advanced in robotics that we are today? technology is advancing at a rapid pace, year after year. much quicker than you seem to be recognising or acknowledging.

>>722969278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LHvnkOXN88

Abbie doesn't take kindly to your pessimism lol.

>>722963011
i have my fam here ... both parents have a spine procedure .. they are ok .. but i can't leave them behind ... and i don't want to immigrate .. i will give it a go in a few months ... i never visited uk .. i'll do that and look for a job .
And i belive i don't have the neccesary contacts , the " i know a guy thing "

>>722964466
nu .. plasticul e pt avansati ... eu sudez in lemn de obicei asta cu gamma e asa la misto

>>722944053
https://discord.gg/nG9eYkd
What do you think of this discord?
I'll know if you actually join and see it or not

>>722966696
op here
I'm Flattered

>>722970110
That doesn't have much to do with welding. It's also really slow and I can see it being an encumbrance more often than not, especially in emergency situations.

>>722954458
There is always room for a skilled welder. Shitty robots and their programmers don't climb up and down.
Also, investment heavy and cost pressure and schedule. Robots suck in general when creating supply.
Source: Sourcing manager

>>722970565

They do right now, i agree.

>>722967524
op here
i'll send them back from now on ,i'll tell him to weld that , i'm not that type of guy but hey we're working in a shop , just imagine the shit that he can do out in the feild where you have to change a segment of the pipe .

>>722969921
Even exponentially doesn't bring us to the level of welding being an obsolete job within 20 years.

You'll be about 35 by then. Try and remember this argument and see for yourself.

It will require fully functional humanoid robots. Both physically and mentally.

>>722968553
on pipe?
if it's xray and high pressure i'd go for the tig personal thing , if not , the mig lays the wire faster

>>722970528

yeah right now its kind of clunky but give it time, these are early models. and this is a hospital application so you wouldn't want something flying down the halls killing pensioners. but what i was trying to show is that robots can and will have the ability to work in numerous environments. whats to say in years to come that a newer version of this robot isnt hauling itself to a patients beside because it's been told by a central computer that this person is about to suffer cardiac arrest, computer analyses the heartbeat of the patient via heart monitor and detects unusual patterns, sends a defibrillator bot to get into position ready to act to revive the patient before anything even happens.

>>722971102
Because that shit's expensive, I'm currently working at a hospital and we won't even fork over dough to replace our terrible elevators that break every other week and have been around since the sixties. Hell our down-veyor has been broken for at least two weeks now and they still haven't replaced or fixed it yet.

>>722971645
>Because that shit's expensive
The entire point of robots is that they SAVE money in the long run. No-one would use them otherwise. Hiring real people costs tons of money, especially highly educated people like doctors.

>>722971645

absolutely it's expensive, it's an emerging field, it's always going to be expensive. but MRI scanners were/are also expensive but you see those more and more as either the price comes down or the realisation of usefulness increases. as for the elevator isn't that more to do with the ineffective building management/maintenance rather than funding or both?

>>722971947

absolutely. say you pay a dr 100k a year... you might spend 500k on a robot, in 5 years time that robot has paid for itself meanwhile the dr is still on the payroll. as long as bugs are ironed out to ensure maintenance of the robot is kept to a minimum then the initial cost and maintenance costs will be far less than employing a human.

>>722971947
>Doctors are the people carting around supplies.
There are a lot of hospital workers that are not doctors or nurses and they get paid a little more than minimum wage, they are the pack mules.
>>722972110
But MRI machines are extremely useful, pay some dude minimum wage to cart around some IV bags is much more cheaper than getting slower and expensive devices that will still cost a lot in maintenance when they do end up shitting the bed.

>>722972418


I was talking about a robot going to revive people with a defibrillator, not just carrying out menial tasks, which it could also do at the same time.

>>722948102
newfag trying his best to oldfag

>>722972110
It's not emerging though.
It's just taken since the early 80's till now to get what we have.

What we have is impressive, but simple surgery won't be performed by autonomous robots within 20 years.

"Romanian Pipe Welder" sounds like a sex manoeuvre you'd read about on urban dictionary.

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>>722972634
A manipulator is a very complex and precise piece of technology have robot with two arms will be extremely costly not to mention you need a controller for said robot.

>>722973245
Wow I botched that,
*to have a robot with two arms

>>722944053
Weld done, mate!

>>722948102
>I'm I fitting in guise

>>722973218
kek

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>>722944146
+1 internet

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>>722944053
My Grandfather was a German Waffen SS soldier during WWII and always said he loved the Romanian people. He said they had a sense of honor,courage, and were hard workers. They were a great ally to the Third Reich!

>>722944053
iesi coaie de pe b

>>722958632
The self-driving car meme.

Look, we already have self-driving cars. They are called trains. Self driving cars on highways will only work in optimum conditions where infrastructure is built to keep the car on track. A self-driving car needs technological railway.

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>>722958632
t. neet with no hands on skills

>>722973686

Now they all come to the UK to leech off the welfare state and do nothing and the liberal elite allow it to happen. lots of things were arguably better in your grandfathers time.

It's just orbital welding asshole, why post this shit ? Its not exceptional...

>>722973785
That might have been true ten years ago.

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>>722973740
1.pustane cu "coaie" vorbesti cu tactu'
2. daca ma vezi pun pariu ca sari din sandale
3. nu fi razboinic de tastatura
>pic related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmxgpLAChI

>>722973917
op here
"they all" as in romanians ?
fag uk is 40% english atm and you of all your immigrant problems stop at romanians ... so you are telling me that romanians are far worst than gypos,sandniggers and so on ... ignorant fuck

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>>722973917
I totally agree. My grandfather says that most of Europe has lost its honor. Especially Germany, his homeland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBi9lL8h5U

>>722974004
point me to a true self driving car today. not a driver assist car than needs a human to keep an eye on it. they don't exist and they won't exist in the next 30 year.

Moreover, driver assist is arguably more dangerous than a regular car. who wants a car that can drive itself 70% of the time and when the driver is dozing off suddenly needs emergency human assistance.

>>722973984
it's supposed to be a Q&A like "ask someone who's not from your countrie something"
it's not about my weld and no it's not exceptional i agree , but you missed the point of the thread.
would you rather preffer a guy with his ass spreaded for this thread ?
oh.. i forgot i'm talking with one of the many faggets of /b with cronic masturbation disorder

>>722974251

Romanians aren't the only people but since the guy i was responding to specifically was talking about Romanians i didn't think it relevant to start compiling a list of every nationality of immigrants that are contributing to the problem. a lot of British people are also leeching and contributing to the problem.

>>722974417
Don't bother anon.
In 20 years fast food and supermarkets jobs will still exist.
But cars will drive themselves and robots will take over industrial labour jobs.

Well also have those flying cars they told us would be available within 20 years back in the early 90's

>>722974417
>point me to a true self driving car today. not a driver assist car than needs a human to keep an eye on it.
You DO realize that the reason self-driving cars all need to have a driver on the seat is because the legislation demands there's someone driving the car, NOT because the driver actually has need to keep an eye on it, right?

ryan?

>>722974640
so .. that's how the shit goes here
ever met one romanian in your life ?
i'm not trying to defend the shit that some of my conationals did ... in my opinion a 10h/day worker fuck them up execute them .. i don't give a fuck, but don't mash us all in your little shit pot.

>>722974835
>being this dumb.
lets see your self driving car pick up someone at the airport without special infrastructure or human assistance.

>>722975134
>being this dumb

Have you followed technology news for the past 3 years like, at all?

>>722959370
Change the gas faggot

>>722974417

not car but w/e close enough, the guy completely leaves the wheel and goes into the back of the cab

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0Kzb3haK8

>>722975201
Yeah, scrub. I'm old enough to remember when everyone was predicting flying cars in 20 years. Meanwhile in the real world, it will take trillions of dollars of infrastructure to make a self driving car work anything near 100% of the time. Still waiting for your example of a true self driving car.