Look what this Liberal teacher is doing in my old middle sch

>>722585421
No. She's right. Fuck Trump and fuck you.

>>722585421
Not your personal army, fuck off back to /pol/ faggot.

>>722585421
That's some hefty bullshit bro...Post this over at reddit on /the_donald and they will destroy her

>>722586358
fag cuck detected

>>722586358
no she is wrong and so are you

>>722587317
Truth. Don't let the radical left's hypocrisy and fake outrage silence you any longer. Their time is over, Trump won for a reason

Nypa

>>722585421
>getting this offended
Holy shit. Grow up and stop crying.

>>722585421
>old middle school
>old

>>722588822
The problem isn't being offended. Although isn't that the prerogative of you lefties getting so offended by Trump??? The real problem is that she's a teacher...she's using her position of authority to brainwash these kids. The education system as a whole is so far left it's ridiculous.

>>722589103
>public education being used to push political propaganda

ALERT THE MEDIA THIS HAS NEVER BEFORE HAPPENED WHAT AN UNEXPECTED OCCURANCE

Really don't give a flying g fuck since what is being said is not a fallacy

Fuck that bitch she's ugly and fucking liberal looking cunt Jew

>>722589363
It shouldn't happen. The propaganda BS needs to end

>>722589426
this.
this is only news because its sensational, not because its important.

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>>722589519

>>722589550
>>722589426
It's biased, inflammatory bullshit. What a shit teacher

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>>722589519
it can't not happen.
go to a red town in a red state, attend class, you walk away with conservative values.
go to a blue town in a blue state, attend class, you walk away with liberal values.

in the end the teacher is only expressing opinion and she has a right to do so, if it happens to violate some policy she is beholden to then it is the job of the relevant authority to take action.
fuck this political garbage news.

OP here, I'm not 'offended' what I'm saying is this. There is a regulation in the DOE that talks about political talk, as said in the article. She broke that. Plain and simple. She should be terminated. She broke the rules of her job. Whether or not she was talking about the left or right, it is wrong to bring politics into your teaching especially when you're a sixth-grade teacher. However it is evident that the education system is so progressive left that this is allowed to fly under the radar. It's kind of sickening what this country is coming to.

>>722589750
I went to this school, hell I even had her about 7 or 8 years ago. There was no political talk then. Nor was there ever in elementary school. And as you know, NY is far left. However I live in a rather right sided county. It just seems that in the last four years this political nonsense has become something being taught in school. If you brainwash your students what's the point of free thinking?

>>722590060
>political talk

wow your pushing it. so wait, any mention of trump is grounds for termination?
this area is so grey there is no fucking way she is getting fired. get real.
she didn't even make a statement of fact, she just said that people have certain opinions. your being NUTS.


btw i support trump

>>722590060
Exactly. Ergo Trump is elected because the majority of normal, decent people realize this.

>>722590578
It's not even that. The fact that she's putting opinion into it to show he is an asshole in her eyes is what's wrong.

>>722590498
what do you expect? all normie media is liberal and you falt normies for having a liberal bias? its not their fault. not address the fact that she didn't even make a political statement, she identified one.

>>722590649
Yup, and we can only hope for the best. If not, we elect someone else in 4 years. Or worse, impeach him. I'm rather far right on a lot of things. But I'm all for giving a chance to anyone who legitimately wins office.

>>722590697
eh, maybe. what if an econ teacher noted that obama was stupid for doing the AMA? would you be as upset?

opinion is fine. especially in education.

>>722590880
>But I'm all for giving a chance to anyone who legitimately wins office.
true american detected

>>722590820
The sad thing is that "Normal" media i.e. CNN (Clinton News Network) and MSNBC etc etc are so far fucking left these days it's ridiculous. I'd venture to guess that at this point most "Normal" people aren't left wing

>>722590820
Which is still against regulation. She had no place stating, or identifying that. They're fucking 11 years old for Christ's sake.

>>722590996
Well it's an American value. One every American should follow, no matter what party they're in, how far left or right of the spectrum they are. People win, people lose. We move on. Together, united. If we like what the person does, we pick them again. If not, we elect the other person. It's not the end of the world, and as an American, I find it embarrassing what my fellow county men and women are doing. On both sides.

>>722591012
>I'd venture to guess that at this point most "Normal" people aren't left wing
"left wing" as it was in the 80s/90s is dead, replaced with a more radical politics to be sure.
"radical left" is the norm now. just consume the smallest amount of media from a major network and youll see that.
BB, RT are the only big players on the right. fox is a joke and they have little real credibility outside of their audience, less so with BB because most people outside of that audience don't know it exists, same with RT but people respect RT knowing they are pro russia. smaller sites like thedailywire and radio/podcast are the only other options and their audience is pretty small.

normies have no way of seeing reality only those who seek out alternative media have a chance at knowing anything true. its pretty damn sad. 1984 shit right here man. fuck.

>>722591020
bullshit. i disagree. i see your point but i don't agree.

>>722591263
i love you

bod bless the murica

>>722591614
And you have every right to.

>>722591690
Thank you? Keep that in mind when you see my name on the ballot in the future.

>>722592364
i will always vote for anon, anon.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5ud225/what_is_going_on_in_our_education_system/

I hate Reddit a lot, but I'm determined to have action taken. It would mean a lot if those who agree with me can upvote, comment, and join the discussion. This ends here, and now. Together we can correct decades of horror.

>>722586358
>No. She's right. Fuck Trump and fuck you.

This is bait guys. No one is really this stupid.

>>722592937
>reddit
why

they already nuked your post anyway

>>722585421
Waaah waaah they called muh trump haughty waaah waaaah

>>722593236
They're prob just reviewing it before posting

>>722593383
It's OK man.. chill, she'll be fired.

>>722593236
Yea I saw that. Fucking snowflakes!

>>722593398
I hope so. I fucking hate Reddit. But I want people to see this. I know it's slim to none. But trying to change something is better than just sitting on my ass watching stuff happen.

>>722585421
She could at least say "Obama was the worst president in American history" because he spent over 100 million dollars on vacations alone, and never raised the economy to 3% growth.

Raised taxes more than any other president, and still nearly doubled the national debt.

>>722593503
might as well make a post about it on tumbler.
reddit is an echo chamber and the point system makes dissent equivalent to rhetorical suicide.
abandon poor forms of media, let them fail as all bad ideas do eventually.

>>722593622
God forbid. They'd have CNN #1 story if that happened. Which comes back to the media, educational, and overall population hypocrisy and brainwashing.

>>722593607
talk to senators, governors, etc. people with power. not morons on the internet.
write a letter, make a phone call. you can' meem magic such esoteric concerns.

>>722585421
I'll tell her op is a faggot maybe she'll know why.

>>722593702
>Tumbler
Come on man, first of all, I don't know how to. Secondly, the SJW will eat that thread up. Actually, that can get the attention it needs. Great idea Anon, if only I knew how to Tumblr.

>>722593607
Dude this is the kind of shit that needs to get out there. If it doesn't get posted on there don't give up. Might be worth it to shoot an email to Tucker Carlson also, he's always encouraging kids in classes that are experiencing this to take video and send it in etc

>>722593717
yeah but i really dont think they would. i think your being sensational about this. its not a big deal. your committing the same sin the left does when they blow up every stupid thing when it fits their narrative.

pick your battles. this news story does't matter. even if it did its an isolated incident. punish the teacher if that is the polocy and move on.

>>722593717
>They'd have CNN #1 story if that happened

CNN is not really news. They're an editorial commentary on news - usually very left wing, same as huff post

>>722593776
I've worked and volunteered for my local congressmen, and other officials. Not much I can say, they usually say they'll get to it. But never do. Just gotta wait a few years and run myself I guess.

>>722593855
>if only I knew how to Tumblr.
beats me i would feel guilty for giving them a page hit and add money so im not going their.

>>722593934
>same as huff post
they have not fallen THAT far. huff post isn't even a news outlet they are a fucking tabloid.

>>722585421
It's not entirely wrong...

But the clear bias is an issue.
Too easy to call it brain washing. Fire the teacher. Get a non partizan replacement.
Keep politics out of grade school!

>>722585421
Someone post this to /pol/ and r/the_Donald. Them fags will have some fun with this come morning

>>722593891
I agree, do you know how I would go about doing this? Sounds like a terrific place to start.

>>722585421
Dude, like that's all factual and shit.

>>722594081
Exactly! Hopefully the_Donald picks it up, shit would get done real quick

It's not just going on at her school. It's happening at a lot of places, because if they can't brainwash and indoctrinate the children early, they cannot allow critical thinking to happen.

>>722594081
I'll second this.
/pol/ would do it for the lulz.

>>722594081
I'll be doing it at roughly 6:30-7:00 am. I'm not stopping. You'll see this everyday if I have to. 12am EST. 6am EST. 12pm EST. I'm not standing by anymore, and I need you all to be with me.

>>722594060
>huff post isn't even a news outlet they are a fucking tabloid.

I've seen tabloids that were more useful

fucking antifa cunts can't get rekt

>>722594181
>>722594220
do it around 6-7 central time when the Americans are on /pol/. 7am and all you get are aussies, EU and japan.

>>722585421
Time to start the wrecking ball

>>722594084
Not sure but he says you can always tweet him @TuckerCarlson..i'd try to find an email address for the show also

>>722594220
Let's do this

>>722594181
>>722594161
I'll save it, save the link and phone number, and post a thread on both sites in the morning if no one else does so. Might be some great lulz to be had from it.

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Just for the Lawls, here's my 8th grade entry. I was fat and ugly as shit. I had her for 6th grade.
But I'm tired of this shit. I've been active in this thread since posting. I'll take screenshots of this thread and keep them coming. Well not stop until we make sure this shit is done with. I don't care how many times I have to post it here, on POL, or The_Donald. I need you people though. Who's with me!?

>>722594580
Thank you, kind anon. I have a reason to check /pol/ in the morning.

>>722594669
Robert Levy is a new hero of the people

>>722586358
>Indoctrinating kids is totally okay, why let them form their own opinion if you can form it for them?

And no. I don't want Lawls. I want complaints. I want people who are normal, and educated to tackle these issues with me. I didn't know where else to look. So I decided together we can make a change. And from reading this, it seems a lot of you agree. This isn't about the Lulz anymore. This is serious shit. We need to attack this with facts and honor. Not some hiding behind keyboards.

>>722594955
Scientology done by the old fags was originally for the lulz, young one.

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>>722586358
Fuck Trump

Whenever I post on here or /Pol/ expect a signed post ~RL with that picture timestamped. This is a serious issue. We need to get this to our congress people, senators, and who knows, maybe the media. Together we will end the corruption and disgusting brainwashing of the media.

>>722594955
I hear ya. Sites like 4chan can be fun as fuck, but when you can actually use it as a tool with a purpose it kind of makes you feel better about all the time wasted doing dumb shit on here

>>722595179
your wasting your energy.
you think people just need to be told not to be corrupt? what exactly are you trying to accomplish? legislation? a cultural revolution in how things are done in the media? what?

>>722585421
don't see the problem, those sentences are both accurate and inoffensive

>>722595200
Exactly. There's a time and a place for fun. I'm tired of lurking and being set to the side as a, conservative outcast. This is our time. To rise up and make a difference. To be serious and show everyone that we have a voice. That we will not stand for corruption, brainwashing, and overall bias.

>>722595302
Even if I accomplish nothing. You read it. You thought about it. That means my jobs done. People are thinking about it more with this case. The more and more people think, the more closer we can get to solutions. I'm not talking 'revolution'. I'm talking 'solutions'.

>>722595314
>overall bias
you mean if it's against you. otherwise it's okay, right?

>>722595460
No, end bias as a whole. Stop forcing your god dammed opinion and views in everything. For once, just once. I would like to turn on the tv or read an article without being able to tell which side they prefer. It's not even news anymore! It's "oh I like this, let me tell you how I feel" or the opposite. Tell me the facts. Let me make my own opinion.

>>722586358
>Indoctrinating children with a political agenda is fine with me as long as I agree with it
>I agree with whatever the Frankfurt School tells me is right
If you had your way America would already be a facist dictatorship with thought crime as a capital offensive

>>722595314
It's a clear problem that enough normal intelligent people recognize it. It's clearly unjust. You have a good example of just one of these incidents that are taking place all over our country. This is a great website called Professor Watchlist that is a project of Turning Point USA, a conservative student organization. They use it to hold liberal professors accountable and maybe it's time to take it to middle school and high school teachers:

http://professorwatchlist.org/

>>722595608
Again, I'm rather strictly conservative. But it sucks seeing people going against eachother for partisan reasons. We're a untied people as a whole. And my fear is we're dividing. This is only adding fuel to the fire.

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>>722595608
>This.
So much fucking this.

If anything at all should be gained from this election.
FROM BOTH FUCKING SIDES!
Is that bias ruins everything. Remember the concept of secret ballot? Wearing your politics on your sleeve isn't really secret, now is it? Now, explain why the ballot is anonymous.

>>722595648
Please...just stop with the fascist crap. And learn how to spell it correctly

>>722595460
this

>>722595425
>That means my jobs done.
right i read something i agree with already, so what did you accomplish? who disagrees with the fact that public schools shouldn't push politics?
the only reason this is in the news is because people agree with you.

>solutions
well whats your solution? post on /pol/ and have your thread 404 in 5 minutes? this aint big news. common core can't even get attention in /pol/ this doesn't have a chance IMO.

>>722589363
Just because it has happened in the past doesn't mean we should tolerate it when it happens now, this isn't even subtle.

>>722595746
That is definitely not me. I'm a lot younger

>>722586358
Maybe she is right, but pretty sure teachers are not allowed to influence their pupils, especially at a young age. At least where I come from

>>722595848
fucker, that's all teachers do

>>722595848
And they shouldn't. It's literally brainwashing. And unfortunately some people fall to it. Not just politically either. Ideologically, culturally, hell even religiously.

yeah, he set a precedent by bombing the ever living FUCK out of a whole shitload of sand niggers.

>>722595608
people are naturally bias. they can't help it.
CNN has liberal reporters ergo they are liberal.
teacher doesn't like trump ergo he expresses that in his work.
if that goes against the school's policy then they will take action, if not then call the school and bitch at them.

this is an isolated incident why are you making a big ol stink.
whats your hook anyway? public education pushing propaganda? rouge teachers? or just a general liberal feel to the media these days?

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>>722585421
cry more conservative tears

>>722595977
While getting elected on a campaign of ending the ME wars...

>>722595157
yeah, those fuck the educated trump supporter who's average income is $75K

Get rid of people that earn money in America. Welfare can come by the government printing money.

https://qz.com/679589/trump-voters-earn-more-and-are-better-educated-than-the-typical-american/

>>722594955
if you were educated you would know those sentences are factually and grammatically correct.

>>722594539
>Not sure but he says you can always tweet him @TuckerCarlson..i'd try to find an email address for the show also

Maybe you could suck his dick while you're at it, and comb his hair. Fucking twat. That guy is a piece of shit. I've been watching that fruit in the AM for the last seven years. I guess you were getting strapped into your car seat to get taken to the Choo Choo Express for the fuckin short bus to come get your window-lickin ass.

>>722595821
its not up to you to tolerate it, it is up to the school and the community which is served by that school.
let local governments run themselves this is not for your to bitch about. if it happens that those people in that school district are OK with the teachers actions then it is OK. they are affected, not you.

>>722596018
we wont, you lost, no tears except your own

>>722596008
Yes, people have their inclinations.
But news sources aren't supposed to show it.
And in the current age of media, everyone is showing their bias. No one is allowed to make up their own mind unless they view a half dozen, and sometimes international sources, to get any real idea of what's going on.

It's not right. Just give cold hard facts. FUCK RATINGS. Make it boring. It's not for the young folks, it's for the adults.

And get rid of the ads. When millions of dollars exchange hands, you know the viewpoint is slanted.

>>722590578
This isn't just a mention of Trump or even a political discussion in class though which can be productive if the teacher handles things correctly and doesn't insert a bias (letting the kids talk about the issues and just moderating or explaining/giving both sides) this is an English assignment that boils down to "call the President an asshole or fail the assignment" that isn't right

>>722596143
If you were educated, you'd not want your child politically indoctrinated in school, you fucking moron.

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>>722585421
She's not wrong.

Trump takes pride in being haughty.

>>722596143
I'm not trying to be 100% grammatically correct on 4chan. You know what I mean and I'm trying to get my point across so people can understand and debate it with me.

>>722596313
>She's not wrong.

She's wrong for politically indoctrinating someone in class, vice teaching them grammar.

Democrat cities have the worst education in America and cost the most, by far.

>>722596266
>But news sources aren't supposed to show it.
says who?
news sources are businesses and they are obligated to generate profit for their share holders and/or employees. there is no ethics in journalism, just true facts and false facts. end of story.

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>>722596174
You lost, go cry a little more. While you're at it, maybe you should throw a temper tantrum and riot...i mean "peacefully protest". Fuck off

>>722596313
Kids shouldn't have to worry about politics at all though. They are way too young to deal with the stress of worrying about it.

>>722596313
The dems would rather have a timid conservative than a confident one (so they could walk all over him). They mistake confidence for hauty, of course.

>>722596500
I'm saying they shouldn't be businesses.

I want to say "government owned" so they are under strict guidelines... but we all know how well governments tend to run things.

But a unbiased news outlet for the people.
Instead of what we have now, which is /pol/... Which is covered in shit half the time.

>>722596304
Thats why you ask them whats going on, and teach them right from wrong. Those situations are teaching examples.

>>722596458
I could agree with this in a sense. Public education is bad. Private isn't. I know a lot of kids in public highschools that dropped out. However, my private High school, kids never even thought about cutting class because we knew our parents sacrificed to send us there. We had a lot of conservative values, even though we had liberal teachers.
The public school system is faulty in all types of states. It depends on your teachers, your administration, and your DOE and how they handle things. Unfortunately, it's all a game of politics.

>>722595845
Why haven't you ever filed taxes, bobby?

>>722596649
>Those situations are teaching examples.

You shouldn't have to correct your child's teacher's examples. What if your teacher was teaching abstinence only, because Jesus? What would you do?

>>722596513
Man, cup the balls and use the other hand to thumb-hook his turd cutter. He's easily the smarmiest power-shit at fox. Whenever someone mentions him positively, I know their whole delirious outlook. Transparent. SAD!

This got a lot bigger than I thought to be honest. After the first few troll comments I thought this was gunna be a typical joke thread instead of serious. But I'm really glad it turned out otherwise. No matter what side your on, debate is good. Debate leads to problem solving and compromise. Something that doesn't seem to happen much these days...

>>722596704
this.
OP if you want to make a difference in education push for school vouchers so people can use their tax money on private schools which will introduce competition to most peoples education and negate any negative thing like this liberal indoctrination which manifests in public institutions due to the aforementioned lack of competition and therefore accountability.

>>722596704
What if she taught math by showing how the debt went from 9 trillion dollars to 17 trillion with the Obama administration?

What if she taught about percentages, like how home ownership dropped 5.6% under the Obama Administration?

>>722597042
/b/ is good at night/early morning

>>722597042
Hear hear, anon!

>>722597056
No, it will make it more fractured.
You'll get left schools, and right schools.

With public in the middle; and horribly under funded.

>>722585421

I agree that teacher's should not be inserting their political ideologies into lesson plans. Can the teacher, send a message.

>>722597056
I've thought about it. But there unfortunately is flaws in that arguments. My parents paid twice. Tax for a seat in public, and their own money to send me to private. Unfortunately you can't give those vouchers. Because people without kids that pay taxes would be eligible since they don't have a kid in the system. So in a sense, it would be good for people. But in the other hand, it could single handily crash the public school system. It needs to be reformed, not destroyed.

>>722595845
Robert, do you ever get to run daddy's linen shop?

>>722597069
this. i made this point earlier in the thread and no one bit.
ben shippero has a good double standard test he uses on conservative news about the left fucking up, he asks: would conservatives be mad if a conservative did the equivalent thing? answer is often no, ergo hypocrisy.

>>722585421
Poor Trump voters. I hope their feelings are okay.

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Liberals are such children; nasty, backstabbing, scheming little children..

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NYPA Faggot.
Although I guarantee there will be a few /b/tards who even they live by the same mantra (NYPA) will call anyways just for old daddy trump. even though its fucked up and if I had my way I would permanent ban any faggot who jumps on board any PA request. No matter how fucking noble or right it is. /b/ has to just arrive their on its own. its not cool at all to say "hey /b/ come do this cuz I think its wrong. Doesnt matter what you think"

Anyhow I guess the main bullet point here would be:
OP is a Tremendous Faggot.

>>722597069
nothing wrong with that. using real world current events to teach is a good idea.

>>722596774
>You shouldn't have to correct your child's teacher's examples.
DUUUUUUDE. You're not a parent, are you. Every teacher and every administrator is a human being, and therefore flawed. You don't ever trust the shit or the slingers. Even private shcools are fucked, never trust any of it. Use it to your advantage, but do not dismiss it as an institution of absolute perfection.

>>722597175
fucking wrong. youll get schools that reflect the demands on the population which demands their services.

why the fuck would you avoid that.
why the fuck would you want to centralize power in this world? and federal education is power.

>>722595767
Autocorrect bro and not while the left are so zealous about shutting down literally any thoughts that deviate from the rigid fringe of liberalism. Trump is a con man who allowed Russia a coup of the US government but at least that we can resist and fix once enough of the public realize it if Hillary won it would have been that she was appointed president and would throw us back to a Monarchy. Hopefully the radicals will be quieted by next election and we can be a United country the world looks up to again.

>>722597350
They're not true liberals. The definition of Liberal has changed from what it was, like racism has changed.

Liberal today means socialist dictatorship or war

>>722597439
this, always reinforce the ideals you want instilled in your children, because you have no idea what ideas they will get from other sources. I mean, just look at all the ideas kids are getting in this thread right now.

>>722597439
>DUUUUUUDE. You're not a parent, are you.
I have two college educated children, both working and earning. Both graduated in small towns.

>>722597445
I don't. Government fucks everything up half the time.
Education is important.

However, I don't think I'm wrong. Kids will end up in the schools closest to their parent's ideology. It's thought segregation, when what we need is open discussion from BOTH sides.

You need the left, and the right, to form a perfect coherent decision. Yin Yang and all that crap.

>>722597314
I'm a trump voter, I would care. If someone was arguing as I am. Making valid points. I would care and want to help make things more un bias and non hypocritical.

>>722596774
obviously that's different. that's a seperation of church and state issue right there, as well as a religious freedoms one.

>>722597282
>Because people without kids that pay taxes would be eligible since they don't have a kid in the system
this problem exists now and would not be changed by a voucher system.

>it could single handily crash the public school system.
so what. public schools didn't become popular until the 1900s and didn't become regulated in their content until very recently. they, like almost all public institutions, suck compared to private endeavors which are subject to competition from more competent entities.

your argument is literally this:
if you let people send their kids to the good schools the bad ones will fail.

underage b&

>>722597414
I agree. The fucking politics here are of no consequence. Trump or no, Fire the teacher or no, We are not here to help you achieve your own personal fucking ends OP

>>722597622
>I have two college educated children, both working and earning.
One is a graphics artist
The other is an electronics engineer for Jt3 (telemetry)

Both avid trump supporters

>>722597652
>It's thought segregation

segregation? you mean diversity of thought dont you?
thoughts are necessarily segregated, are they not?

do you know what diversity is?
its not when you mix all the colors into a shitty brown, its when you have a rainbow with discrete colors side by side.

diversity of opinion is valuable even is some of those opinions are wrong.

>>722597861
I'm not asking you too, I'm asking you to help make a god damn difference. Wherever you are in the spectrum. I'm not saying you have to agree with me or be my personal army. I'm saying help unite rather than divide. You clam the other side are 'bigots' 'brainwashers', it's not just one side. It's both. It had to end as a whole.

>>722597785
There are states that teach it similarly. I'd make my complaints if that was the case for my kids. We're all atheist trump supporters

>>722597495
>Trump is a con man who allowed Russia a coup of the US government
oh yeah i forgot trump was in charge of america's anti-hacking force

>>722597350
and conservatives are sooo much better. face it people. americans suck. they're stupid and immature. if only there was someone who wanted to make it great again....

>>722598109
>diversity of opinion is valuable even is some of those opinions are wrong.

I can make arguments against that. Not all voices are valid voices, and cannot have a say in the democratic process.

>>722597861
just because we are not his personal army doesn't mean that 4chan is not his personal blog. i enjoyed this blog post.

>>722596186
Did you even read the article OP posted or did you just come to the thread just to lecture people? The article quotes parents that are pissed about it. In an ideal world that would be awesome and I agree but that isn't how things work where schools have Common Core and kindergarten students are being taught about 12 other genders all mandatory by the government. If the the local government if forced to accept that curriculum that alot people in the country disagree with then something like this shouldn't fly

>>722598109
It's just drawing a line in the sand though.
I'm all for mingling and diversity. But to indoctrinate the far extreme of ANYTHING is bad.

Just take the fucking mudslimes as an example.
Or the over the top zealous baptists!
Or the greedy zionist jews!
All extremes, all bad and hated.

>>722585421

> republican double standards asshole whining

Trump is bashing on all kinds of peolpe just for popular votes. And now your're whining about some mild innuendo about trump being arrogant (which is 100% true, and most of the repub retards are applauding to it) and trying to set up a raid against some English teacher? Your a typical republican 'tough guy' instantly turning cry baby when facing opposition.

>>722598109
>diversity of opinion is valuable even is some of those opinions are wrong.


Egypt did this, and the fundamentalists Muslim Brotherhood won leadership there.

Not all voices are good voices. Some cannot be allowed into the arena of discussion.

>>722598312
I doubt 90% even read it.

>>722598273
>Not all voices are valid voices
oh and who gets to be the omnipotent benevolent arbiter or truth? you? CNN? that teacher? get real. no one is going to tell me what line to toe i will decide for myself.
give me liberty or give me death motherfucker.

>>722597506
This guy gets it. The Democratic Party is in shambles, overtaken by radical leftists. Great video from a former prominent leftist

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hiVQ8vrGA_8

>>722598397
How woefully misinformed you are. Not even worth correcting you

>>722597901
And this somehow makes your argument of blindly allowing public school to brainwash your kids? Because you seem to be arguing in favor of not paying any attention to what they're taught by an institution that is quite literally "liberally" educated. Most teachers are liberal this and bachelors of liberal that... So, by and large, it rubs off on them, and the massive majority is gonna be kid-friendly teacher people. Thats just how it works. You're never gonna alter that basic mental compass of teacher-people, educators, and the like.

>>722598410
No. They're not all valid voices to be valued.

Religious fundamentalists, marxists, nope.... just nope.

>>722598312
yeah i did. and despite your post my point stands.
i also made the post about voucher systems so your preaching to the choir.

>>722596500
His point is that there should be ethics in journalism as that is what once seperated news from entertainment

>>722598306
To be honest, you kind of hit it spot on. I raised a question, for those who wanted to act, told them what to do, where to go. It's honestly more of an open discussion rather than a 'personal army' or 'influencing my views'. Because that's the opposite of what I am saying. I have literally been spewing for the last hour how other people shouldn't force their opinions down your throat. It's open debate. I'm not requiring you to believe the way I do, and grading you or judging you based off of it, like the teacher did.

>>722598410
>give me liberty or give me death motherfucker.
>>722598560

And you value freedom, freedom of speech, and THAT is the ones we want leading the democratic process and participating in it.

>>722598325
>But to indoctrinate the far extreme of ANYTHING is bad.

you need to understand that your indoctrination is another mans education and visa versa, get it?

it is not up to you to decide gods own truth. if those liberal morons like this drivel then by god let them have it, if they don't then fuckin hang that teacher. no problem.

>>722598415
Nice vid, great points

>>722598866
Nice double dubs

>>722598410
>>Not all voices are valid voices

They're not. The ones that holler "hate speech is not free speech" cannot be valued. Any voice that advocates religion in it cannot be valued, because pluralism must be valued, and we know all the religions make incompatible claims about the nature of the world.

>>722598398
>Not all voices are good voices.
who the fuck are you to decide what is good in egypt.

IS THIS NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THE LEFT?
they decide what is good for you FUCKING YOU OVER! AMA! THE FED! EPA! DEA! FDA! IRS! ALL BLOATED CANCER.

stop telling me what the fuck in right and mind your own fucking business.

>>722585421

Liberal here. This teacher had a better option: educate his students, help them become capable of critical thought, and cultivate them to form decisions based on their independent research of facts and personal life experiences.

>>722598751
That's why I push for cold hard neutrality.
Make it bland and boring if you have to! Don't give a fuck.
Just don't indoctrinate my child. That's my job, as a parent. Not the state's job.
I don't want to see my child take a test where he fails if he thinks a certain way; and that's what this encourages.

>>722599068
It's not even that, although at a higher level, in a political class, or history/ government class, yes you're right. But this was a 6th grade English class. Why are you mentioning politics, which was obviously one sided, to a bunch of 11 year olds...

>>722599039
>who the fuck are you to decide what is good in egypt.

Fundamentalist Islamic group won (Muslim Brotherhood), and were able to silence liberal voices, passing Sharia law as law of the land.

We can know this is bad for all the humans there.

>>722598569
>his point is...
i know. and my point is that doesn't matter.

wish in one hand, shit in the other, let me know which one fills up first.

>>722598866
kek compels me to watch that video now

>>722599282

Reread what I wrote. We're actually in agreement.

>>722599039
>>722599039
>stop telling me what the fuck in right and mind your own fucking business.


We can know that liberal values involve freedom of speech. We can know that valuing human life, animal life, happiness and flourishing are not at the top of a theocracy's list of important things.

I'm actually shocked with this. This kinda worked? People are debating topics and not just shitting on eachother. I think we might've just pulled off the most intelligent thread in /b history

>>722598183
Not the hacks but assigning guy in bed with Russia to his cabinet, and easing the sanctions on Russia the rest of world agree should stay. Keep an eye out in the next 4 months when Syria officially becomes Russian territory. The hacks were Hillary and the DNC's fault for trying to fuck over Sanders and using an unsecured server when a former Secretary of State should know better

>>722599005
lets not move goalposts here, it is not a question of which ideas should be VALUED it is a question of which ideas should be ALLOWED. no one has to like what this teacher did and if they want they can punish him/her for doing it.

>>722599591
I want to take partial credit.
I've been grooming people to think straight these last few months.

>>722585421
Moar like this
http://rudehentai.com

>>722599691
Of course, giving credit where credit is due. We all contributed to this massive win. This should happen more...

>>722599039
Values and morals are objective across the globe, and they have little to do with religion.

Values and morals have to do with protecting human health, happiness, education, freedom of speech, freedom to choose your career path, freedom to leave your religion if you want, or not have one at all.

There are right and wrong answers to navigate the moral sphere.

>>722599790
Agreed. Keep spreading discussion! It's beautiful to see!

>>722598195
Americans as a people are awesome that is why the rest of the world likes our culture all like 7 of them have spread and are popular around the globe except so areas that really don't like us. It is our leaders that are awful.

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>>722599708
Get out of here, the adults are speaking

>>722599140
fair point and of course that is the standard. the problem comes when liberals (or conservatives) think their extreme views are so normal that they are in fact bland and normal and this is an intractable problem my friend. a hopeless consequence of a multicultural society.

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>>722585468
JEWISH WITCH!!!!!1!111!

>>722599684
I gotcha. I don't want political indoctrination to occur in any schools, but it's happen in colleges everywhere.

>>722599893
Look at Canada's pedo approved (and written) sex ed curriculum for an great example.

>>722599887
>>722599900
This includes you

>>722599360
>We can know this is bad for all the humans there.
no, you cannot know this. you cannot know the alternative because the alternative didn't happen. you are committing the "false dilemma" fallacy.

if you post that shit to the right place I bet some idiot will call in a bomb threat then BAM it'll be on ever major news network

>>722599993
And that's the last thing that should happen. God forbid you asshole.

>>722598273
OK so is it the blacks, the Jews, poor people, or women that should not have a voice? And before you say the uneducated that usually comes with being poor because college costs money some people just don't have.

>>722599579
>that valuing human life, animal life, happiness and flourishing are not at the top of a theocracy's list of important things.
whats your point

>holy shit these new captures are gay

>>722599980
>no, you cannot know this.

Yes, we can know this is bad. It's demonstrably bad. Islamic theocracies have been historically bad, measurably bad.

>>722599591
trust me these things happen late at night. i have been apart of many a coherent and informative thread on /b/. usually its in the drug threads though.

>>722600056
Are you really going to tell me somebody won't do that I will bet On my fucking Trips that some fucking idiot would do that just to try and send some stupid message

>>722600159
I rarely post, I just like to listen to the normal stuff. Can't stand the weird, cruel, fucked up shit on here.

>>722599655
even if that is true (citation required m8) he is less corrupt than hillary, if that is what you are faulting him for. and hillary was the only other real option in the general election, if you recall.

>>722600083
>OK so is it the blacks, the Jews, poor people, or women that should not have a voice?

I didn't say that. It has to be people that value free speech, even if what is being said is wrong, they have to value it.

If part of your idea of creating utopia is to silence what makes you uncomfortable, you don't get to participate.

>>722599832
>There are right and wrong answers to navigate the moral sphere.
alright ill go down this tangent with you, i agree to the concept of an objective morality, fine. will you FORCE people to abide by YOUR "objective" morality? because that is your option when their democracies produce things which you, in your limited understanding of a foreign culture, define as immoral.

and did my quoting of "objective" get the point across yet? the point THAT NO ONE CAN DECIDE WHAT IS OBJECTIVELY MORAL since objective morality depends on the aggregate of SUBJECTIVE OUTCOMES!!!!

if you reply please answer both questions.

>>722600353
>If part of your idea of creating utopia is to silence what makes you uncomfortable, you don't get to participate.

If you use your voice of free speech to create stupid hate speech, you probably won't get invited to the party very often, but you still got your say.

>>722598135
>I'm not asking you too, I'm asking you to help make a god damn difference.
Yes you are, and No you're not, respectively.
You want everyone to jump on this fucking faggot bandwagon about some dumb shit that is happening "at your old school" So you can hope it gets big enough that you can tell someone, "hey.... hey I did that.... I... I'm..... I'm the one that made that happen............" You just wanna be a special little faggot but you're not so get over it.

>/b/ should be like the fucking Nights Watch and take no part in the fucking /pol/itical bullshit of the Seven Kingdoms. You fuckers make me sick.

>>722599968
colleges are a fucking nightmare right now. MILO did a good thing by pointing that out with such publicity in Baltimore et al.
for a faggot, he is alright.

>>722600151
now your commiting the "appeal to tradition" and/or the "popular argument" fallacy. just because something happened before does not mean it will happen in the same way again. several democracies have failed, why did america try again? several theocracies have failed, why did egypt try again?
see what i mean?

the basic sin your committing however is the fallacy of assuming the alternative. you have no idea what would have happened otherwise and if it would add or subtract from general human well being. for instance it might be that the power of a theocracy is necessary to maintain stability in that region, surly you can see the merit of such a simple possibility?

>>722600576
Science has been giving us what we value all along.

It's not my morality.

All cultures are not valuable to human health and happiness. Additionally, people sometimes value the wrong thing.

we have to agree, and we all will that morals and values has to do with avoiding the worst possible suffering for all mankind.

Any steps in the direction of reducing suffering for humans and animals is a moral one.

This applies exclusively to conscious creatures of course.

if we can agree on questions about human health and happiness, we can come to the agreement about whether a culture supports health and happiness or not.


We can know that a culture that places half their population in cloth bags (beating them or killing them when they try to escape) refusing to let them learn to read is not the best way to maximize their happiness.

>>722585421
get over it snowflake

>>722601015
>now your commiting the "appeal to tradition" and/or the "popular argument" fallacy.

No. It's not logical fallacy. We can know that traditionally Islamic countries lag far behind western countries in education - even in the oil rich ones.

I'm appealing to any logical fallacies, if the deficits are measurable in health and human welfare, we can know that certain cultures are worse for humans than others.

>>722601082
>we have to agree
no we don't.

>has to do with avoiding the worst possible suffering for all mankind.
so sam harris' view? its nice but not universal. we are not dealing with science when we talk about morality my friend. it is, in fact subjective at heart.
would you call the world in the book "brave new world" a utopia or a dystopia? because they have agreed on an objective morality in that world, did they benefit? people are happy in that world, are they not? no suffering? whats your metric anyway? is doing heroine until you die the apex of your morality since there is no suffering? you get my point.

>if we can agree on questions about human health and happiness
there inlies another intractable problem. so long as people posses differing minds they will not agree. and i think that is a very good thing.

>>722601015
>several theocracies have failed, why did egypt try again?


The problem was giving islamic fundamentalists a voice in the democratic process. When we know Islamic fundamentalists do not value free speech or democracies.

What if the fucking KKK wins? see?

>>722600635
>You just wanna be a special little faggot but you're not so get over it.
shut up this is a good thread. you fuckin buzz kill.

>>722601468
This is a fucking garbage thread. and if you really believe it is a good thread then you are the reason /b/ has been just buttfucked by shit threads for a long time and you need to find a new chan faggot.

>>722601439
>>722601290
i indulged your straw man argument for the sake of conversation so your rebuts don't really matter, my main point is the fallacy of the alternative however you should know that the "appeal to history" is in fact a fallacy and its wrong to use those arguments as legitament rhetoric.

>n appeal to probability (or appeal to possibility) is the logical fallacy of taking something for granted because it would probably be the case (or might possibly be the case).[1] Inductive arguments lack deductive validity and must therefore be asserted or denied in the premises.

>>722598565
So we agree on somethings but you don't see how those types of education would lead to left leaning and right leaning schools until kids are taught to be radicals of whatever end of the political spectrum their parents fall on?

>>722601389
Sam Harris didn't coin it first. And not all cultures value human health. Some value the afterlife first. This life means nothing.

Doing something to the point you die is probably bad, especially if you weigh in your family who depends on you to protect your health and happiness.

It's partly why it's more moral to destroy your enemies than to forgive them (if they're trying to wreck your world, take your stuff and leave you for dead)

It's possible to value the wrong thing, or be completely morally confused, like you are.

>>722601621
this is my chan you normie faggot. i was here first and no one give a FUCK what you think about this or any other thread so kindly take your opinions and FUCK OFF
:) cheers

>>722601795
It's like the older fags are waking up; and they aren't happy!
/b/ feels so cozy tonight. >3

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>>722601621
>you need to find a new chan faggot

>>722601704
I didn't straw man dipshit. It doesn't mean what you think it does obviously.

>>722601734
>but you don't see how those types of education would lead to left leaning and right leaning schools
sorry but you seem to think there are currently no left leaning or right leaning schools.
you think a school in center, north dakota is teaching feminism? you think a school in LA isn't?
people are already biased at least parents will be able to choose which bias they will expose their children to, do you not agree with this?

>>722601704
Well, we know that when arabs were free to interpret the Qu'ran any way they wanted, they flourished. Free speech!

Baghdad was the center of inquiry, free thought, free speech, and most of the named stars are Arabic. (all this while Europe was busy disemboweling each other over religious error)

We know that the more free a country is, the happier they will be.

>>722601795
>this is my chan you normie faggot
sure im the normie. makes sense
>>722601704
>If I just say "Fallacy" enough........

>>722601779
>This life means nothing.
SAYS YOU ASSHOLE

STOP
TELLING
ME
WHAT
IS
TRUE

I CAN THINK FOR MYSELF

your opinion is fuckin insufferable. stay out of my life. you would legislate your fuckin utopia at the cost of FREEDOM.

btw im not religious but i understand that i cannot prove a negative for all you KNOW jesus is the son of god and Mohammed was magic. who the fuck are you to tell someone not to believe as much? ARE YOU GOD? HOW DID YOU BECOME INFALLIBLE?

all that aside you still didn't answer my other question (which was part of the deal, asshole): will your FORCE people to abide by YOUR morality (which is not objective since your not omnipotent).
is not then who cares about your morality?

>>722602206
Arabic numbers
Al gebra
Al gorythm

All from a time when Arabs were less worried about religious error

>>722602313
it's not my morality you screaming child.

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If everything is so groovy, how come the GOPs are silently shitting their pants?

>>722602206
ok so lets bomb them until they understand the error or their ways.

don't you see what im trying to say by asking you if you will use force to bring about your (subjective) morality?
it doesn't matter what is moral or what is not if your not willing to CHANGE REALITY ACCORDINGLY.
you might as well be talking about how nice it would be if we were all rich, fine, but not productive.

>>722602313
> will your FORCE people to abide by YOUR morality (which is not objective since your not omnipotent).

If they value free speech, and the punishment for apostasy is not death, or excommunication (for catholics). If the religion values pluralism and free speech, then they can stay. Just keep your imaginary friends at home.

>>722602367
yes, it is. its the morality you are pushing. its yours.

>>722602551
nope. conversations must happen new friend.

The only reason to bomb someone is if they're inflicting suffering on your country, or if they're genociding someone in their own (like Iraq was genociding the kurds)

>>722602599
Human morality is innate, new friend.

>>722602556
>then they can stay.
stay where? in their own homes? will you remove them? get real. your debating a fucking fantasy by arguing against theocracy in majority religious cultures. theoretical sociology, who cares.

all this is a tangent, remember, to the argument of abiding by an objective morality, which doesn't exist since no one is omnipotent.

so i will say again, who are you to tell me what is true, what is moral? your just another idiot, just like me, with the potential to know no more and no less than I so i hope you will forgive me when I choose to trust MYSELF over YOU.

>>722602599
Even worshiping your favorite deity is best done in the context of the good life, where you're not throwing up, and have a fever, and you're free to go where you want to worship, and if you make an error you don't get your hand chopped off.

>>722602737
>Human morality
sorry but that prefix does not belong. mortality is innate? what does that mean?

>>722590940
I'm far right and I would be offended. Calling the president, the commander and chief, "stupid", is fucking insane. What she could say was the AMA deal wasn't a good deal. This lady is telling children that their president is a racist asshole. That's fine for some faggy liberal college where all of you run around playing grab ass all day, but this is middle school.

>>722602836
see
>>722602824
>so i will say again, who are you to tell me what is true, what is moral? your just another idiot, just like me, with the potential to know no more and no less than I so i hope you will forgive me when I choose to trust MYSELF over YOU.
every great problem in this world has been the result of some asshole thinking he knows whats best for all the other assholes.

>>722602824
well, you know as good as i do, that if your population suffers from the highest infant mortality rate, and exports suicide bombers, and a woman is thrown in prison for the crime of being raped, then we can agree it's not moral.

>>722602970
>>so i will say again, who are you to tell me what is true, what is moral?

So, you're saying there can be no right and wrong answers about how to live? there are no right answers about health, and happiness?

All cultures are equally valuable and worthy of respect?

Am I tracking you?

>>722600268
Honestly not agruing any of those points it really did boil down to who you wanted to get sold out to this election cycle. Only thing to say is I don't know if Hillary is more corrupt or just been at it longer, Trump is a business man sure but corruption of politics is a different ball game and he is still green on shit like the difference between a bribe and a donation compared to Hillary and her team, he a fast learner though.

>>722602970
>some asshole thinking he knows whats best for all the other assholes

Try the entire royal society, and the National Academy of sciences.

Yes, there are right and wrong answers to the puzzle. All cultures are not equal in helping humans attain happiness.

>>722602977
you cherry picked problems, im not impressed.
if your trying to tell me that egypt is not perfect, well, ok. no one is perfect.

if you grew up in egypt you might be a happier person. think about that. in that sense egypt, with their theocracy, is more "objectivity moral" for you. now what if, by chance, this is normal, that people in egypt are for some reason happier than people in america? have you seen data refuting this or are you just assuming?

ill rais this point again, the problem with saying "human well being" defines "objective morality" is that "human well being" tells me fuck all about what metric your actually talking about. its like saying "good things are moral". no shit.

>>722603092
not even close. i am saying people have the right to have wrong opinions.

do you track that?

>>722602970
You want to know what is funny?

The concept of heaven, that the religious people want? it has the good life that we describe and try and attain for this life.

No sickness, no hunger, no pain, no suffering.

>>722603222
>i am saying people have the right to have wrong opinions.

I'm saying those that want to silence others in their opinions cannot be allowed in the sphere of democracy.

>>722600353
I misinterpreted you and while I may not fully agree 100% I do still see your point and don't think you are wrong I just don't see things exactly that way.

>>722603420
>ying those that want to silence others in their opinions cannot be allowed in the sphere of democracy.
so what your saying is to silence those who would silence people?
will you start with yourself ? :^) jk, don't be silent this is a good convo.

>>722603427
I'm just saying any voices that advocate silencing dissenting voices must not be valued.

blasphemy laws cannot exist
holocaust deniers should not be fined or jailed
Flat earthers should not be fined
People that perform "hate speech" should not be jailed or silenced for their speech.

>>722585468
Why every liberal is fugly AF?

>>722603573
100% agree.
i don't know if you are >>722603420
but that post makes the mistake of disallowing opinions instead of devaluing them.

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>>722585421

Teachers should never bring their own politics into classroom. No matter what those politics are.

>>722598415
this guy is pretty top notch

>>722603817
ill fight you

>>722585421
Yeah that's bullshit

Why does every single thing in our society now have to politicized?

Seems like there is always some asshole wanting to comment and insert politics in a completely uncalled for way

>>722603547
There are some that would advocate dictating what people can say, and what they cannot.

It is free speech and free exchange of ideas that has made western nations superior.

well, some voices advocate against free speech. Muslim fundamentalists do this regularly. It's why it is against the law to question the teachings of the prophet muhammand, and is punishable by death in many countries.

This is wrong, and it leads to more muslims that follow that path.

>>722603959
>free exchange of ideas that has made western nations superior.
>economically
>infant mortality
>disposable income
>scientific discovery and exploration
>freedom to choose your career path no matter where you come from, or what your skin color is.
>free to make as much money as you want
>best medical care in the world is in the west


The country of Spain translated more books last year than the entire Arab world has ever.

>>722603959
>This is wrong
not according to most muslims. but i guess your just somehow more right than them in this essentially unknowable hypothetical about what might be if not for islamic governments.
i guess your just smart and they are just stupid, huh?

again. who da fuk r ya ta say whats right to me. this is tyranny! this is facism! anti-freedom!
the very idea puts a thorn in my side

>>722604207
arbitrary metric. consider this:
>>722603222
>
if you grew up in egypt you might be a happier person. think about that. in that sense egypt, with their theocracy, is more "objectivity moral" for you. now what if, by chance, this is normal, that people in egypt are for some reason happier than people in america? have you seen data refuting this or are you just assuming?

what do you say to this question?

>>722597414
Youre such a crybaby

bamp

>>722601978
No of course there are. I'm saying the voucher program would take that problem up a notch and make it worse. Kids now at least have a chance to be exposed to a different way of thinking because when teachers pull shit like in the OP there is usually punishment from a conservatives parent or liberal one depending on the situation with the voucher program though that assignment is never going to be called out or the kid gets pulled from the school and placed in one more aligned to the parent's views and kids will graduate with vitriol to half the country

>>722603573
So places like "safe spaces" shouldn't exists as they are antitheses to democracy? Well at least not in the political/law making sphere then I am behind you 100% although I would say hate speech might still want to be fought but really only because silencing dissident and hate speech are usually one in the same as people tend to want to silence those they hate or are other predjuced towards but that isn't what you mean by hate speech just worth a mention

>>722604978
>I'm saying the voucher program would take that problem up a notch and make it worse.
while i can't agree with that _assumption_ I won't say it can't be true.
anyway, putting the politics aside, a diversity in what is educated to the young will be more valuable than everyone getting the same grey neutral slop.
let the blue states teach blue values. let the red states teach red values. get the federal government out of the states for fucks sake!
let people spend their fuckin money how they wish! voucher is choice. choice is freedom. you would deny it though.

BAMP
i cant be the only one left here can I?

Lmao all these retarded philosophical arguments going on ando no one has posted the right answer:

Raise your kids to be intelligent enough to see other peoples opinions as just that and to objectively evaluate the world around them.

There, fuck Trump vocabulary lessons you idiots

>>722605479
Choice is freedom and I can see how the voucher system could work as much as I can see it failing the thing I thinkwe differ on is perspective, you are looking at things on a macro level where I'm thinking more micro so we both agree diversifying the curriculum and exposure to a meddly of political ideas would be best but it seems you are looking at the country collectively with red and blue states making up the whole, I'm thinking more about individuals. A student in a blue state by that system would never get exposed to red state values in any real way so it isn't that diverse for people that don't or can't leave their hometown or state

>>722606991
>missing the point

>>722607229
>I can see how the voucher system could work
it has worked in those municipalities where it has been tried it has generally been a success. 14 states and counting have some kind of voucher system and none have gone back from it.

i get where your coming from but i just think nearly all federal institutions need to be completely eliminated including education shit. states can make all the mistakes they want, i can always move if it gets bad enough (like california)

>>722607736
I can agree to more states rights but we should still have a federal oversight so if one state fucks up too much there is a power to step in and fix shit we are only as strong as our weakest link and even flyover States should not be allowed to turn into basically Detroit on a more massive scale. I'm not a huge fan of federal overreach though and shit like the NSA does worry me about how much power the federal has that it really shouldn't so I can understand how you can come to that conclusion

>>722606991
What 11 year old is calmly able to distinguish what he should and shouldn't take away from what his teacher tells him.

At that age, his whole life teachers have never been wrong, so she's using her position to brainwash kids into believing her view. If she did this about Hillary it would be just as bad.