ITT: Mind blowing facts. A car (or any object) weighs more the

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>>722510121
I did not know this op, Thankyou.

Not sure if bait, but photons have mass

>>722510121

I got one.

OP was not a fag for once.

>>722510419
I didn't even know they are catholic.

>>722510419

photons do not have mass.

>>722510419
gr8 b8 m8

>>722510121
I'm sure there's going to be a point in time and space where that's going to a possibility and the issue of infinite energy to travel at light speed will be circumvented

>>722510121
That's not true. Do the math.
Basic bitch

>>722510121
>ITT: Mind blowing facts.
>
>A car (or any object) weighs more the faster it moves through space.
>
>This is why you'd need infinite energy to move anything at the speed of light. Which is impossible to begin with, because the car has mass, and nothing with mass can move at the speed of light.
Ummmm...Those rules don't apply in a vacuum.

>>722510572
>>722510612
>pic related
>>722510531
Kek

>>722510733
Explain

Mind Blowin Fact 2.

Mr Potato Head was the first toy advertised on TV.

>>722510121
Someone just watched a documentary on the discovery channel.

you are wrong

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>>722510121

Kelly Anneconway wasnt lying about the Bowling Green Massacre. She was just remembering the alternate timeline from which her consciousness (program) came in which the tragedy did take place. This is why she repeated it it several times before she finally realized it was "wrong."

It wasnt wrong for her. But it is wrong for this timeline.

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>>722511042

>learn in school 2+2= 4.

thats some awesome shit anon.

>math professor explains why 2+2= 4 in documentary.

oh oh... someone just watched a documentary on the discovery channel.

i seriously hate humanity sometimes.

>>722511198
No, he's right. Nothing with mass can go the speed of light. Say you actually did have enough energy to approach the speed of light, you would never be able to reach it. You could go 99.99999% of the speed of light, but all the energy expended trying to exceed that would increase your mass exponentially, This would cause time to move slower for you, but normal for everyone else because space and time are one. You can theoretically travel into the future by doing this, which makes you wonder the future of space travel will look like. Each trip would mean you basically say goodbye to everyone you know, because they will be dead when you arrive.

>>722511355
Documentaries just talk about the "cool" facts about the universe that are pretty useless. It's not like they are gonna call you an astrophysicist because you binge watch educational documentaries.

>>722512155
>It's not like they are gonna call you an astrophysicist because you binge watch educational documentaries.


nice tangent faggot.

lets get back on point.

whats more important to you: facts, or how you acquire those facts?

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>>722510121
It's actually quite a simple equation that Einstein delevoped to describe this behavior

>>722510680
Here's the math dumb dumb>>722512514

>>722510572
what is a black hole

>>722512694
No a photon

>>722512344
Facts, obviously. My point is you will learn more useful information in a classroom than you ever could watching tv. It would be pretty boring if they busted out equations explaining their reasoning and asked you to follow along wouldn't it?

>>722512769
yeah and they gravitate towards a black hole thats why you can see where it is

>>722512694
I believe light gets trapped into blackhole because of the sever wrapping of spacetime not so much the gravity directly pulling photons. I could be wrong, I'm just a chemist not a physicist

>>722512827

shit brother, good thing you werent around when Michael Faraday was fucking around with electromagnestim or you would have totally put him in his fucking place.

>Mr. Faraday, you dont know shit about equations and therefore cannot undertand electromagnetism.

Please, please, please... never be a teacher or some sort of "role model" for young people curious to learn.

>>722512891
That's correct, black holes warp space in such a way where light in curved into the black hole and we can't see it as a result.

>>722510121
Quantum mechanics has an upper mass limit, anything bigger than a Bucky ball behaves as classical physics describes. I always that that was pretty cool

>>722512769
Photons officially have mass now. Scientist managed to stack some so close together that they created electrons out of them.

>>722510419
Photons don't have rest mass, simply because they dont rest, and rest mass is what you usually refer to when talking about mass. But from simple equations you could derive a photons "mass" depending on it's energy/frequency:
(m*v^2)/2=h*f
Where the left side is kinetic energy and the right the frequency dependent photon energy.

Homo sapiens emerged about 200000 years ago and we only start farming about 10-12000 years ago. It's truly amazing how far as humans have progress in such a short time (geological time)

Australians could easily annex new Zealand.

we live in a simulation.

>>722510121
Mind blowing facts.

Here's one:
OP is confusing mass and weight

the germans were able to cremate jews into dust within 15 minutes, 24/7 around the clock, when modern day cremations take hours then the oven has to be cleaned

>>722512891
>>722512694
light is affected by gravity, therefore it has to have mass.

>>722515099
>knowing very little about sanitation

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>>722515224

>>722510419
Photons have momentum, not mass

>>722515531
>Photons have momentum, not mass
OK. Define momentum then.

>>722515696

kek. i see what you did there.

>>722515696
Start with the relativistic energy equation:
E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2

For non relativistic particles with mass,
E^2 = (mc^2)^2
E = mc^2

For photons (speed of light, massless),
E^2 = (pc)^2
E = pc

Where p is momentum and c is velocity of photon

>>722510531
heartly kekd

>>722510774
The additional "weight" created by the movement of the vehicle is down pressure created (intentionally) by the air passing over and through the vehicle. There is no air in a vacuum, thus now down force.

>>722512827
I get it can be annoying if people think they know all about stuff without putting in the work to actually understand it, but think of it like appreciating what a sports car does without knowing how to make it, or appreciating some cool biology fact without knowing about all the chemical shit that makes it happen.

>>722514797
fucking retards that liked The Matrix so much that they believe they're in it.
Just because so many people misquoted Darth Vader as saying "Luke, I'm your father" instead of what he actually said "No, I am your father" doesn't mean the 'simulation' got changed.
It's just people making mistakes. Stop being so retarded.

>>722511198
mind = blown

>>722516130
fuck off back to /sci/

>>722510121
Science is all a lie. The real truth is hidden from us. Btw, the earth is as flat as a board.

>>722516281
No it's not you fucking retard. Nobody is talking about driving a car super fast. We are talking about the way matter behaves when traveling extremely fast speeds. These theories don't become noticeable until you start traveling 50% the speed of light, which is about 150 million m/s.

>>722516950
At 50% of the speed of light, the mass difference would be 15% to the rest mass. To have a 50% increase, you'll need to travel 87% the speed of light

>>722510121
Wrong. Bob Lazar explains this very well. Distort space and time through high electrical output.

>>722516589
Mandela effect is just large scale inability to care about things enough to correctly remember. The Bernstein/Bernstain bears thing is retarted imo. I forget my mom's birthday sometimes. How can I be remembered to spell a cartoon name correctly?

>>722517365
Mods

>>722510121
wrong, if everything got heavier when it goes fast then we'd all get crushed by beams of light from the sun. prove me wrong cunts
me - 1
op - fag

>>722510531
They are not; they are Pentecostals.

>>722517156
cool

>>722517465
/thread

>>722510121
But why do we need cars to go light spped
ur so dumb

>>722517465
Absolutely flawless logic 10/10

>>722517465
Things can get heavier without necessarily becoming crushingly heavy. If an ant became a million times heavier it couldn't crush you because it would weigh about the same as a cat.

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>>722510121

>>722517786
The sun raining down photons that weigh the same as cats would be pretty devastating bro.

>>722517996

massless cats?

sounds awesome, but not crushing.

>>722515132
Not true. Gravity is a warping of the geometry of space time. It traps light because all paths leading away from the singularity essentially curve back towards it. Anything inside of the area where the event horizon formes, from theoment it formed does not have a future light cone outside of that event horizon.
All paths from that moment of time forward lead back to it.

>>722517786
Traveling at the speed of light = infinite mass

>>722517996
Could it actually rain cats and dogs then?

>>722518118
No. The sun can't make dogs you idiot.

>>722518063
Wut?

>>722518191
But it can make cats???
That's just racist....

>>722518192
Imagine a giant mirror surrounding the black hole. Light is curved into the center and can't escape.

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Assuming you could travel at 99.999% the speed of light, it would still take you four years to reach the nearest star.

But this is time as observed from someone on Earth. For the people aboard the spacecraft, the journey would only take a few days.

You would arrive back home, everyone you know would be eight years older, but you would have aged all of a week.

>>722512891
>a chemist

No, you're a filthy meth cook.

>>722518357
Yeah like the mass increasing thing it just sounds like some bullshit patch to fix loopholes.

Did you know that you weigh less when traveling east?

Your body, when walking, is on a straight trajectory off the planet with every step, but gravity keeps pulling you down.

It's only a fraction of a gram but still interesting.

>>722518192
Imagine a long road. To you it looks perfectly straight. You drive for 3 days along s road you percieve as perfectly straight.
In reality this road was curved and youre now back at your starting point.

This is an oversimplification but its the basic idea.

>>722518708
You sound like one of those physicists who finished like a bachelor, master or PhD and never achieved anything more or real. Thus, you post on 4chan half-true facts to sound like an expert lulz

Tachyons move faster than light

Did you know that black holes don't actually exist because a singularity cannot form in finite time from the perspective of an observer outside of the event horizon?

>>722518847
They are still theoretical.

>>722518935
And probably always be.

>>722518842
This is pretty basic stuff, even I know about mass warping spacetime and I haven't taken anything since AP physics in high school. You're probably just retarded and think anything that's remotely scientific is for PhD super nerds to justify your inability to grasp relatively simple concepts

>>722518708

i like the explanation

>>722518842
why are you jelly of a person who fits your description?

>>722512694
It's a hole... that's black. What's so hard to understand?

Travel to the past is possible through closed timelike curves

>>722517585
It's an example dumb dumb

>>722510121
You would only need an infinite amount of energy if you were aiming for an infinite amount of speed right? And an almost unthinkable amount of energy for lightspeed but not infinite since lightspeed isn't infinitely fast. I could be wrong but my mind doesn't make sense of needing infinite energy for lightspeed. Just a fucking lot of energy. Correct me if im talking bs

>>722518984
This is by no means basic stuff. If you simplify it until its only nigger with retardation, than it is basic stuff. Importantly, shit doesn't it together and we are working on solving this. Talk like the nigger on tv and everything is basic stuff.

>>722519004
i'm only jelly on their happiness, dumb people are like 5 times happier

>>722518959
Ok then..neutrinos can also travel faster than light and are not "theoretical" so the whole system and Einstein are wrong.

switzerland has no official capital

>>722519305
Yeah well we don't exactly have enough time to teach you tensor calculus do we? Sorry next time we'll just let you continue to be retarded instead of trying to present a simplistic model so you can at least get a grasp

>>722519553
>neutrinos can also travel faster than light
Uh...no?

>>722519808
You can either choose to be a nigger and talk about cars going in circles or you start with relativistic field theory. there is no way to understand the world without being a nigger, sorry my ape buddy

>>722518708
>>722518339
Thank you for the explaination...

>>722519808
I think you're arguing with a troll,
It was me that said wut? And also thanked you.

Today a nigger learned something.

>>722519553
There is actually no evidence to suggest that neutrinos actually travel through space, as opposed to precipitating along every theoretical vector from the source in the form of an observable interactive waveform.
Weird but true.

>>722519037
It's not a hole, it's a physical point of mass (a singularity)

>>722519996
>you should start with relativistic field theory to explain spacetime to someone who knows nothing about physics

This is what autists actually believe

>>722519553
Google that. It was a flaw in the experiment and disproven. The scientist that made the claim then retired shortly after this came to light.
If i remember it was a problem with the computer taking the measurement.

>>722520155
You retard. That is my whole point and I fucking nailed it in your face and you still cannot see it. You are liked the blind between the one-eyed.

You cannot fucking understand advanced physics with cars going in circles.

>>722519864
Uh...yeah..

Don't argue with me, argue with the physicists that made the claim.

>>722520141
Everything is a wave bro, neutrinos aren't special in that regard

>>722520012
Congratz, you know get a diploma in physics.

>>722520237
Chill, so much sexual frustration. Did you spend valentines day alone anon?

>>722520248
Feel free to provide any experimental evidence that suggests neutrinos travel that fast

>>722519553
>>722519864
>>722520179
>>722520141

Neutrinos sound like a healthy snack....

>>722520289
I know.
Just fucking with the 'particles faster than light' moron.

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I CAME HERE TO LEARN SOME COOL SHIT AND ITS ALL TROLLS AND PSEUDOINTELLECTUAL RETARDS ARGUEING.

These threads are cool when done right, but this one needs to 404 already

>>722518842
To understand the actual explaination you would need to understand how the spacial geometry around a,black holes works. Its rather complicated trying to wrap your head around the concept that all geodisic paths through warped space time lead back to the same place.

It is easier to understand when you look at a schwartzchild black hole versus a kerr-newman black hole. The latter involves more complicated physics and things like frame dragging.

>>722515531
do they have inertia then?

>>722520510
I'm just here for the neutrino snacks!
They're deliciously healthy, high in fibre and only 93 calories per bar! Packed with over 15g of protein and 1g of cocaine. They'll keep you going all day!

>>722520237
Obviously dipshit. This is the problem with autists, you guys are incapable of understanding the value of abstractions for the purpose of establishing a conceptual grasp. Nobody is pretending this is actually how it is, it was clearly noted that it was an imperfect analogy, but it is good enough to get the basic idea across to somebody who is mildly interested.

Now please recede back to your fantasyland of masturbatory mathematical purity and stfu

>>722520631
'Now available in faster than light flavour'!

Photons are packets of light. Light is a form of energy, and using Einsteins equation E=mc^2, energy is the mass of an object times the speed of light in a vacuum Squared. Therefore, a source of pure Energy (light) MUST have a mass associated with it. Energy is mass and mass is energy. Because a photon has a very very small amount of energy, its mass will be infanticimaly small, but the laws of physics dictates that it must have a mass of some sort.

>>722511665
Good old fashioned Hawking stuff. I hate when they explain it as "traveling into future." It's such a misnomer. It's no more traveling into the future than shit on /b/ from my couch all day until tomorrow. It does, however, change your relative experience.

>>722518708
imagine the centre of a planet, you are weightless because of the equal pull of mass on all sides.

>>722510419
photons have momentum, not mass. basically the energy of photons, when absorbed into matter, transfers itself into kinetic energy in the vector that the photon was traveling. it's how some extraterrestrial satellites work to reach other planets in faster times.

>>722520510
You expected to actually learn about an academic subject on /b/? What are you retarded?

>>722520375
Yeah, you are hardcore.

>>722520556
No, lol, I can derive an expression of the schwartzschild radius in 1 line so that a retard understands that light cannot got out.
Yet, without understanding theory you won't make a single step towards progress. And before this you need to learn math, and before this you need to stop talk about cars and circles.

>>722520648
Fucking retard trying to abstract 4 dimensions which humans can't even grasp. Fucking don't abstract but bring a theory which withstands falsification nigger idiot

>>722520729
Oh god you're gonna start em back up again!!!

I think if we're gonna market these bars right, we need to avoid talking about the speed...

>>722510531

Nice Fallout gag

>>722520289
"Everything is a wave, bro, you just gotta learn how to surf it!"

>>722518191
I think you got it backwards there, friendo. I've never heard of a suncat, but science has been blaming ufo sightings on sundogs for decades.

>>722520734
Eh I think you have it somewhat wrong, yes energy-mass is a single entity but it can only be represented as one or the other at a given time. Photons are represented as energy, they do not have mass, BUT they could be converted into mass (and vice versa)

>>722521003
Omg!!! That's it!!

Neutrino Wave Bars!!

That's marketing gold!

>>722520304
No English diploma for you though.

>>722521020
Haha!! See!!

Thank you SciFag! So I can indeed have my dogs raining from the sky! Or uhm, sunning from the sky....

>>722521020
That's the point. Blame it on the sun dogs, forget about the sun cats. If you've heard of it, it's probably not real. You never hear about the real things.

>>722520812
The whole point of abstracting is because it's in 4 dimensions. Are you really this retarded? Do you not understand the purpose of abstracting? Obviously it can't be grasped by humans, that's why we're fucking abstracting it because actually grasping the mathematics is too complex to go over in a thread.

>hurr durrr you're not allowed to talk about it all unless you can explain it with full mathematical purity!!!!111

Seriously, seek help

>>722520812
I didnt say a swartzchild radius, i said a swartzchild black hole which is a non rotating black hole. A kerr-neuman black hole is a rotating black hole. The rotation complicates the math further.

>>722520812
>>722521389
Do you two have girlfriends?

>>722521003
Start out with the easy stuff, ya know, protons, neutrons, the small fish. Maybe once you get some experience you can go after an electron or two. Then once you got some experience and you finally get that board you always wanted, you take the biggest bongrip you can muster and tackle it...

The biggie....

...The neutrino

>>722511665
If you were going that fast, would your body stretch out ?

>>722521524
My poor goddamn wife. Yup some chick married me.

>>722521592
No, from your perspective everything would be as if you were standing still.

>>722521524
They know a thing or two about attraction, but once they get close it goes all spaghetti.

>>722521719
What about friction in an atmosphere?

>>722521776
You would immediately be vaporized. You can only go that fast in a vacuum.

>>722521592
No, however the space in front of you would compress from your point of view. If you were in the back seat of a car, the steering wheel wouldnt get closer but the distance between you and a building 1 mile away would get shorter from your perspective.

All observations depend on the observers inertial frame.
I would see the distance between you and the building as a mile and im right.
You see it as shorter and youre also right.

>>722521880
Heat shields bro

>>722521719
>>722521592

nothing would be recognizable because you're traveling so fast you encounter light differently. It doesn't reach you the same way it does now, and you cannot not "see" it like you do now.

tl;dr it would look like ludicrous speed from Spaceballs.

>>722521708
I guess she sleeps well though....


'Ooh honey I'm suffering with insomnia again, can you explain shnitzel-pretzels black hole theory to me again??'

'Well my love the theory states that...'

'Zzzzzzzz.....'

>>722522037
I smiled

>>722521939
There is no inconceivable material that could withstand that force and there probably never will be. It's mind bogging the amount of energy that would be involved.

>>722510121

the celestial bodies with the most powerful magnetic field are magnetars and on average they are only 12 miles wide

>>722522020
As what we see is light reflected, by going the same speed would everything therefore just go black when travelling at the speed of light?

I'm a firm believer that the whole system is wrong. As long as they're using terms like "spooky action at a distance" and "theory" which is just a fancy word for best guess then I don't believe anything they say.

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>>722510121
Wow and people actually believed this post.

I think what you are trying to talk about is kinetic every like how a .44 Magnum can transfer almost a tonne on impact.
*not the right figure, but an example.

Molecules do NOT gain weight with speed.
But do impart energy on impact that can be measured in weight.

>>722522222
Quints says the nigger logic is true!!

>>722522209
yeah it's diamond, since it is the hardest metal

>>722520387
Feel free to look it up yourself you lazy fuck. Nobody ever provided me with "sauce" I had to research it myself.

>>722522209
>steel beams

>>722522222
I got quints....

>>722510638
Yeah we already did but the opposite way. Reverse gravity which isnt hard as its a weak force.

>>722522297
Matter becomes more massive the faster it goes. Sorry bro, but I think you're retarded.

>>722522432
Jet fuel melts them

>>722522423
Sorry fag you can't make a retarded claim that like 5 people have you called you out on and then declare it's up to us to disprove you.

>>722511241
Yeah yeah, let's all laugh she misstated or got a fact wrong and use that as an excuse to let in terrorists. Fucking hell I hate liberals.

>>722520510
"PERFORM TSYKHAALUU NAO"

>>722510638
Yeah, it's called wormholes. But that's still not FTL travel, it's warping spacetime

>>722522423
see >>722520179

Now admit you're wrong and stfu

>>722522297
Right, because .44 magnums often fire their rounds at relativistic speeds

>>722522297
No actually we're talking about experimentally established physical laws, please refrain from posting things you know nothing about

Did you know:

There are more grains of sand on the beach as there are atoms in the entire universe?

>>722523088
Dubs confirms it.....

>>722522297 - you sir, are a retard.

>>722510121

a shotgun's gauge is determined by how many round, solid, lead balls, the diameter of the bore, it takes to make 1lb.

that's why the smaller the gauge, the larger the bore is

One simple proof of the accuracy of Einstein's relativity is its ability to make a prediction. GPS satellites account for time dilation to synchronize their clocks so that your GPS on your phone is accurate. Without this calculation your GPS would be off by an additional seven miles every day.

>>722523185

Did you count them all??
Even the ones that get dragged half way home inside your shoes?

>>722523347
Science counted them. I didn't do shit.

>>722522222
Not quite, because you're still encountering light that is at a different vector than your direction of travel. But to your point, light that is directly behind you and traveling in the same direction would never find you. A cosmic blindspot, per se.

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>>722510121
actually naything CAN move at the speed of light, BUT it will not be a solid object anynmore at the speed of light, but a beam of energy, and the amount of energy in the beam is related tot he originall atomic mass of the object. you actually can launch a solid object to a speed of light, (in theory with todays technology) but when the once solid object goes by the speed of light, it will not be made from solid atoms any more, but from a burst of sub-atomic particles, and thus when you finally slow the object down it will be nothing more than a pulp of sub-atomic particles, wich would be kinda bad if youre a human thinkin of travelling at the speed of light


tl;dr: travelling at the speed of light IS possible, its the slowing back down thats complicated

>>722523185
worst b8 I've ever seen.

>>722523494
So to further my question, (excuse the dumbed down physics)

Say if you had two craft set off at light speed, 5 seconds apart....
for the entire journey the first craft would be invisible to the following one and vice versa...

>>722510121
A car weighs more the faster it *accelerates through space. This is because of newtons 2nd law f=ma. force, or f, being the weight, the mass. m, of the car remains constant, and a is acceleration which is increasing, in turn meaning the force (weight) must increase since m is constant. This is literally taught to high school freshman and nothing about this is mind blowing you're just retarded.

>>722523185
Where's the black science man meme that goes with this?

>>722523772
The second craft could see (although likely unrecognizable) the first craft because it will encounter the radiating light in the path of the first craft.

But the first craft would never know of the the second's existence.

>>722523553
This is flat out wrong.
Not only is it wrong but it is experimentally testable. It is impossible to accelerate a single proton to the speed of light. If we could the experiemnts at cern would be much more interesting.

>>722523772
Why the fuck are you guys having a discussion about physically impossible non-sensical bullshit and then trying to apply physical laws to it?

>>722523774
The first person to accurately point out that it is not velocity, but acceleration that "changes" mass.

>>722524116
Because although it is physically impossible, it is theoretically interesting and conceptually understandable.

>>722523774
Newton's laws aren't actually correct retard, they're just good enough approximations for most stuff which is why they're still taught. At relativistic speeds (which is when changing mass would actually become non-negligible) Newton's laws are woefully inadequate.

>>722524273
Sorry, I had that backwards: Theoretically understandable and conceptually interesting.

>>722524123
He didn't even say that, he said acceleration changes the force, not mass, and then followed that up by saying mass is constant and using a Newtonian equation to try and argue against relativity. Aka, he's retarded and doesn't know what he's talking about

>>722510121
The tip of a cigarette burns at about 700 - 900 C (I don't know how much that is in fatdegrees)

Mauritania abolished slavery in the 80's

no one knows for sure how paracetamol (acetaminophen for americans) works

Merkel wants more refugees

Häagen-Dazs is meaningless, the name was invented to seem foreign

>>722524116
>thought experiments into the unexplored or currently impossible are bullshit nonsense that nothing good ever comes from

>thinking is dumb, you nerds!

>>722524375
It's neither understandable nor interesting, because it doesn't make any sense. From the perspective of an object moving at the speed of light, there is infinite time dilation and infinite length contraction so trying to talk about what it would be like to experience that is non-sensical

>>722524496
Yeah, I re-read his and wished I hadn't responded.

>>722510531
Underrated

>>722510121

There is some form of faster than light travel at some levels though, at least seemingly.

The easiest way to read about it is to google 'spooky action at a distance' but the basic idea is that somehow 2 particles can 'communicate' over a distance at a speed that is literally instant according to our measurements.

I say 'communicate' because there isnt a better word to describe the idea.

>>722524527
More cool facts and shit!

Thanks, /b/ro

>>722510121
There is zero need to travel at the speed of light.

>>722524585
>currently impossible
Yes, because physical laws change all the time and also your thought experiment is retarded because it takes into account some physical laws while disregarding others that make the entire scenario completely batshit insane. You might as well just be spewing random physics terms and call it a "thought experiment"

>>722522606
Too lazy to look it up yourself but not too lazy to keep responding to me...

>5 people proved you wrong
Settle down kid..

Here's the facts:
I know what I've read and believe..

I don't give a fuck what you say/think/believe...

This seems to make you angry, zero fucks givin here friend

But now you'll call me "edgy" and whatever else...stay mad kid

>>722524770
I was merely defending the exercise of thinking about things that are "useless". I was not making any claim that we will someday figure out speed of light travel. That's ridiculous.

>>722524837
I really hope you're trolling

>>722524770
dude, like a solid 80% of theoretical physics is "ok, ignore this stuff for a while, what does this other thing look like given abc scenario"

>>722524923
For what purpose though? Why are you trying to be logical about things that are inherently illogical? If you know that everything you're discussing is basically nonsense then why discuss it?

>>722525088
Not when the stuff they're temporarily disregarding is not only intrinsically tied to what they're talking about by definition, but has been experimentally proven. You're applying laws about the speed of light while also disregarding the implications of those exact same laws. You either accept a law or you deny it, you don't choose some random caveat of it and ignore the rest.

>>722524729
The US and Russia are 4Km apart (some islands in Alaska)

Jupiter has more mass than all other planets combined

At birth there are 107 boys for every 100 girls. After 20 years the numbers match, because genetic deseases are more common in males

Portugal lost Macau, its last colony, to China in 1999, which was ruled by the portuguese since 1557

>>722524727
Youre talking about quantum entanglement. And it isnt true ftl. You cant instantly send information over distance and it cant violate causality. But yes entangled particles do simultaneously change regardless of distance between them.
When one particle changes, its spin for instance, the other does at the same time. However you only know that when you reobserve the opposite particle. Which takes time to do. Therefore you cant send information instantaneously. Hence no causality violation

>>722525106
This post is not here. You did not just read it.

>>722525244
Ok you win, I should just purge that section of a random undergrad physics class I enjoyed. It was fun to have graphic animations of the perspective of sight at different fractions of c. I apologize for humoring another /b/tard just as I was once amused by the thought of what my house would look like at .9c

I'll never bring it up again.

>>722516281
No air =/= no gravity you moron

>>722525920
There's nothing wrong with talking about any of that stuff as long as you are less than 1c because that's all in the realm of physics and therefore is interesting to consider even if it is currently unfeasible. But once you cross the boundary into the physically impossible it ceases to even be worth considering because you're just making shit up out of thin air, you're not actually contemplating what something would be like if you had the technology to make it happen

>>722517465
beams of sun light consist of photons which do not have mass, and thus cannot crush us
>the fact that I even took this bait

>>722526131
The only way to talk sbout things moving at greater than c is to discuss the warping of space time since nothing with mass violates the universal speed limit locally.
Harrold White at NASA has an experimental model showing that it is at least possible on a very small scale.

>>722518357
luckily USS Enterprise can reach almost warp level 10, which equals 1,000 times the speed of light

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>>722524949
So he responds to me again...

Your ego just refuses to let you accept the fact that there are people in the world that think and believe things you don't, oh, and instead of researching any of it yourself you choose to do nothing...Lol, your youthful ignorance is shining bright there son.

>>722526544
except warp doesnt work the same way as regular speed. Youre still going slower than light speed but you are covering a greater distance than light.

>>722526544
I did this in college using the Alcubierre metric.
If warp 1 =c for a ship of equal mass to the enterprise, warp 10 would be 100000c and require the mass energy of the entire milky way Galaxy every minute.

Then some brilliant asshole at NASA, teased down the mass energy requirement to that of jupiter.

This was just a random question the peofessor posed, noone including myself figured out anything important. It was just a math problem.

>>722526784
With a warp drive you arent even moving relative to your local space time. Hence no relativistic effects.

>>722526131
Anon originally asked about 99.9% speed of light, which launched the discussion. So I guess I was still in the "just less than c" realm.

>>722510121
>This is why you'd need infinite energy to move anything at the speed of light

Using the current formulas...yes.

At the speed of sound induced drag increases to infinity too, but apparently it has not stopped us. Why, because Bernoulli's law is not relevant at speeds greater than the speed of sound. We did not know this until we exceeded that speed. I believe the same thing will happen with light speed.

>>722510121
>infinite energy needed
Derp.

What is folding space for 800.

>>722527047
/thread

>>722527047
Ftl is a different problem and the maas increase is observable and measureable. There are loop holes but flat out accelorating anything to c with mass is impossible.
Warp drive, einstein rosen bridges and gravity drives may be work arounds but the dont take mass and accelerate them to or past the speed of light.

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>>722526980
It's even in the Star Trek tech manual, when at warp the ship remains static, the space in front contracts as the space behind expands.

>>722526679
I already referred you to another post explaining why you were wrong with evidence, which you clearly ignored and now are continuing to troll thinking I'm in any way upset about the fact that you're retarded. Now hush, you're clogging up the thread

>>722527594
>Ftl is a different problem

But people up until the time that the X1 broke the sound barrier swore that it could not be done, because the drag would be so great that the aircraft would crumple just as if it were flown into a brick wall.

The point is, is that we know that now, after the fact. So you can't say that known science is absolute because certain laws based on experiments at subsonic or sub-light speeds say so. The laws could go totally out the window once a limit has been exceeded. Also particles at quantum levels have been shown to possibly exceed the speed of light. Quantum mechanics also suggests that the same matter can exist in places in space at the same time, so it is still unknown. That's the point though. We are still in our infant stages when it comes to scientific knowledge. There are laws which have yet to be discovered simply because we have not yet gone there.

>>722516281
They're talking about the mass of an object, not the weight, you illiterate fuck.

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>>722519284
You are wrong. The closer you get to the speed of light the more relativistic mass you need to accelerate. (As observed from a functionally stationary observer.)

At the speed of light you would have an infinite mass and need an infinite amount of energy to be going that fast.

The interesting point is that if you had two objects at rest to each other you could accelerate either one to the limit of the speed of light from the observation point of the other object no matter what speed they are both moving at from the observation point of a third outside observer.

So you have A and B both moving at 0m/s to each other, but moving at 299,000,000m/s to C. You could accelerate A to 299,000,000m/s from the point of view of B, yet it would only look (be measured) by C as moving slightly faster to C due to the effect of time dilation.
You can keep layering this.

So lets say that A then split into X and Y, you could accelerate X to the limit of the speed of light from the view point of Y. All the while looking to be only slightly faster from the view point of B, and slightly faster from the view point of C.

ITT:

"You're wrong"

>>722528147
Unfortunately this is not a law that can change. This is not even close to the sound barrier problem. Its a problem intrinsic to the very fabric of existence.

The problems with the speed of lught are absolute and have beem proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

A second problem with the speed of light that isnt ever discussed is time.
If you got close enough to that speed, time would slow down to the point that the universe would end before you reached the speed of light.

You cant, under any curcumstances accelerate and object with mass to the speed of light. This is not argueable, debateable or subject to any question.
This is an absolute fact.

Not a lot of things are but this is.

It really seems to me that ITT there has been one undeniable law that has been forgotten, which overrules everything said here... and that rule my friends, is Tits or GTFO!

>>722529983
4chan's first rule of mammary dynamics

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>>722512559
They teach us that equation on first day
of Space School, Dum-dum.