So how does one actually go about learning code? I've tried

>>722452483

forget about videos, tutorials, courses etc. Just go ahead and start coding something, google when you don't know how to proceed.

codeacadamy dot cum

get challenges, earn points. It's like a game for programmers.

Install Gentoo

>>722452619
assuming I am starting from scratch, And am down the middle, [average] in every way as far as my capacity to learn code.
How long will it take me before I can make money coding.
>A job, not freelance.
Just an estimate in months/years would be great since I have no reference, anon

>>722452958
Assuming you can work on it 3-4 hours most days (as if you were working on a degree) probably 2 years to get a job. 3-4 years to get to a place where you could progress. If you're exactly average I would say combine that with some online courses and you could probably get a 100k/year job in 4 years.

>>722452958
Depends on you. Wish I had a better answer but some people in my major have jobs lined up because they fucking have so many projects under their belt with varying years of experience. Some people have spent almost a decade on this shit and still have entry level jobs making crap. Coding is like learning any trade, inherently Meaningless until you do something with it.

>>722452587
>>722452619
Cool. Took a basic C and Java course in college didn't really learn much.

Actually, the fact that I had shitty professors made it harder to understand in fact. I just need to start over

>>722452483
You absolutely *MUST* have a program you want to write FIRST.

This is the main helpful thing about programming classes: They hand you simple programs and require that you write them.

Any time I want to pick up a new language I choose a project to do with it. Without some kind of catalyst you'll just read reference manuals and be like "Hey, that sounds pretty neat! I'll watch some TV now."

>>722453178
2 years at 3-4 hours a day sounds long, I've heard from others that 1 yr of study gets you into an entry position.? \
>but thanks for not sugar coating it.
I assume 2yrs because I would need to learn many languages, right?
My game plan was to go from html to JS and front end stuff, then harder back end stuff like PHP.

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Best way to learn code is to download the source of Bitcoin Core and figure out what it's doing. Can't be that hard.

>>722453305
This SO MUCH.

I work with (and hire) programmers and I am a programmer. A lot of people *paid to program* can't and don't get better even though they are being paid to sit in front of a computer for 8 hours every day and try.

Other people seem to soak it in effortlessly. Most people are somewhere in between.

Depending on factors that I don't know how to test for you will either learn quickly, slowly or not at all. If you can figure out how to tell which one you will be ahead of time you can make $$$ headhunting for IT companies.

>>722453305
so it sounds like ability means shit unless you can show something you've done in addition.
Again I have Zero experience to say "this is what I did at this job", so I'd just have to create shit on my own "portfolio website" to show hiring companies?

>>722453513
I think you could definitely get hired somewhere in a year. I guess I'm basing it more off of the average goals of someone who learns to code:
- Make money
- Work somewhere cool

At places like Microsoft/Google/Apple you're going to be competing with people who have been tinkering since they were 10 years old. The main time sink isn't going to be actual book/course learning it's going to be catching up with all the trial an error that exposed them to a ton of niche areas that you don't even know exist.

>>722453513
Care, there are many companies that end up not working with PHP because it's somewhat easy to learn by oneself, thus making it harder to find candidates with real knowledge and able to do more complex stuff.

But it depends on the country you're in, etc.

Most of what I'm reading is more or less legit advice.
Source: I'm an IT Recruiter <3

>Inb4 internet lies.

Look up project-based tutorials. You'll like learning it more and will be ready for a job sooner. Some good ones are Codecademy for basic languages like HTML and CSS or Automate the Boring Stuff if you want to use Python.

>>722453513
Honestly, once you know one programming language it's very easy to pick up a new one. It's mostly just learning the new syntax and standard libraries at that point. You already have the logic side of it down so you can learn a lot faster.

>>722453513
JS is harder than back-end stuff. Also, PHP is a terrible language that will fuck with your head. Learn an easy language first, then learn C, then go for JS. Learning programming at the same time you have to learn the DOM, CSS, jQuery, the weird event loop you get in browsers, and not being able to do any useful I/O is madness. Just don't.

I like Perl/Python/Ruby as a first language. I've heard BASIC and Pascal are okay, too. Lots of people learn Java first but this is a bad idea for several reasons.

Here you go op. https://learnxinyminutes.com/

>>722453804
My main goal is to get paid so I can quit my dead end, blue collar industry that pays me now.
I want to be all in (coding), and I need to find a way to cover rent doing it.

>>722453461
This could be the most accurate description of "learning to code" i've ever seen. It's not something you can easily read or study. Best practise is to use a programming language to make a simple project, then use what you learned to make something more complex.

>>722454015
Is there anything you wish your computer could do that it currently doesn't? Make that your goal, google and hack until you make it happen. Resist finding an existing tool (if any). Reinventing this is OK as a learning exercise; that's why literally every programmer ever ends up writing their own shitty notepad program.

>>722453911
As someone who started with Java I'd recommend starting with C, it really helped me grasp programming when I switched to C, I understood how to write programs before then, but didn't always know why things worked the way they did. C really helped me grasp at some missing concepts.

Can we get a Python subthread going? Thinking about learning that language

If I'm not mistaken it got updated from 2.x to 3.x? Will they be much different from each other

>>722453778
invest in a GitHub account or use BitBucket. they give you version control along with a decent 'portfolio' of everything that you've done and how you did it or contributed.

>>722454270
Python is great. Highly recommend starting out with that.

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>>722452932

>>722452483
y dont you try a gaming learning course on udemy online courses
theres one famous one there thats pretty neat
and having to learn progamming with a goal in mind (like gaming in this instance) is a pretty neat way to tackle this through

>>722454270
Python is an excellent first language, even if you started with BASH shell scripting, you'd still get to understand common concepts that you can use elsewhere in the future.

>>722454270
Mostly the transition is seamless.

>>722454353
>>722454556
>>722454575

Cool. I'm excited to tackle this now. Thinking about making a simple RNG game or some shit

>>722453778
Story time OP.

In the mid 90s I wanted to make my own text adventure so I pestered my brother who was using TADS to show me how to make objects and rooms. I made some, had fun but never did anything more complex than a conditional and didn't really realize this was programming.

In 1998 I added some JS to a little personal web page so that a graphical button image would change on mouseover. Took ages and ages, but it worked.

In 1999 I read Slashdot and was impressed by it and everyone involved. I learned they used Perl so I decided to learn that. I spent the next 2 years tinkering, writing little scripts, little tools and accomplishing nothing useful.

In 2001 a game I combined my shitty perl skills with worse JS skills to make a very trivial multiplayer online game with a flatfile DB, then went to college to learn to be a programmer for real. 2 years later I learned nothing I didn't already know except for some SQL which I used to replace my game's flatfile with a mysql db.

In 2003 I got a job fixing computers. Minimum wage but I got to touch them every day. In 2004 I noticed that the shitty web site we used for tickets and inventory, a horrid thing written in php3, could use some updates. I was like "Hey, I know some HTML, JS, Perl and SQL. I could make a better site than this in my spare time!" So I did. Two weeks at home and then I showed my boss. She liked it enough that I was paid to finish it for another week. They used my system, with a few tweaks, for the next 8 years.

In 2007 based on "I wrote a game in Perl and JS once" and "I wrote a simple two-form one-db web tool once" and "I took an intro VB.net class once" I interviewed for and landed a job writing internal LAN web apps in C#, a language I had never seen before.

On the job in 2007 I learned C#, MSSQL, ASP.NET, etc.. I was instantly the #2 developer in terms of competence and quickly became #1, where I remained until 2012 when I moved on.

>>722453804

assuming all the above statements.
>no exp
>learning to code.
Where should one put focus first, second, third, etc.
It seems I was wrong about JS first and PHP

also, what kind of job could one expect after that 1-2 years learning

>http://www.learncpp.com/

good guide to give a grasp of it. pretty decent, make sure you actually type the code and complile so you learn shit instead of becoming some snippet faggot.

>>722452483
<a
href="https://www.eatadicknewfag.co.nk">This is the sum extent of my knowledge</a>

I used to know PHP but I forgot

>>722455144
> continuing

I am still in the job I took in 2012.

2 years of college consisting of 4 programming language courses, two of which were introductory, and one database course. About 3 years worth of tinkering on my own with my own stuff to figure things out before I programmed for money. The rest was on the job (and in my spare time off the job). Now I make six figures and I'm the lead software engineer in my group (for the last several years).

It may not be fast but you can do this, too. I just can't recommend it unless you find that you *enjoy* programming.

>>722455144
Ahh, I see.
In short,... Im fucked.

https://www.codecademy.com
/thread

>This right here gentlemen is what happens when you don't choose a dead language

>>722455257
Start with an easy language, write a program or two. When you understand conditionals, loops, functions and boolean logic pretty well stop and learn C. You may never use C but learning it will make you understand what the computer is doing in a way that nothing else will (except assembler, but that's harder than necessary).

After that learn JS and any other languages you find to be beneficial in the job market.

>>722452483
Pick up a book. Read the whole thing and do exercises as needed.

>>722455720
thanks anon.

>I will mark this day as the time I actually got sincere advice on /b

>>722455509
Good job bro. That wasn't op but impressive story. I'm an engineering student hoping to make myself into a more demanded candidate when I graduate next year

>>722455617
I wouldn't say so. I did this at a slower rate than was absolutely required.

(0) I didn't have a goal of getting a job as a programmer for the first two years
(1) I didn't seek to learn anything useful at any time
(2) I am not a particularly fast learner

The good news for you is that the barrier to entry is getting lower all the time, except for on the web where it's moving so fast I can't even tell where it is any more.

You can learn enough to be a useful programmer in 6 months, with the right focus. When you learn at the pace of a hobby you get what I did.

>>722455966
I know a guy who's college coding book (JS, I think) was riddled with errors and crappy technique.

>>722452587
This

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>>722453911
>perl as a first language

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>>722455285
>learnCPp
Nice try, FBI

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Tbh im actually curious myself

4chan discord here

https://discord.gg/rUuwtww

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>>722455644

>>722452483
You have no excuse not to know how to begin because there's a wealth of autists that put up videos, etc. A simple google search gives you everything you need to know.

An API is the tools that you are using, or the LANGUAGE that you need to know inside and out in order to maneuver. The thinking part of the problem solving skills process is how to best use the tools in order to get what you want.

That being said. https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
Go here, drink some fucking bear and put in the effort. Don't fag out. Bitch.

>>722456132
Sorry to keep beating a dead horse, but I am focusing on this one "job" time frame because it directly dictates my entire plan.
In short: I cannot quit my current industry until I can pay the rent with a coding job.
You say anon wit hno exp, average ability, and lets say 3-6 hours per day and I should be around a 6 month to a year time frame to employment?
> I currently need around 35K USD

>>722456677
>>722455644

Checked

this might seem incredibly facile but if it helps;
the live boot OS most commonly used with the raspberry pi, raspbian, comes with several coding exercise programs - i am also seeking a greater understanding of ones and zeroes - having a 30$ computer i can practice linux command line stuff and bash scripting without worrying about scrambling it is nice

>>722452483
Start with html and go to c or Java

>>722457291
why would you start with html lol..

>>722457331
then what?

>>722452483
delete system 32
hard drive on freeze

>>722456813
dude... so idk about the US but where i live in Canada an employer will just dump your fckin resume out unless you have a college or university degree in programming. OR if you already have years experience..

To be honest, it doesn't matter what language you learn first. Pick a language and stick with it for at least a few months. I learnt Java first and am still using it, mainly for android apps. Python is a little more easy to pick up so I would recommend learning that first. If you hate yourself, learn C. It's more about learning how to think rather than the language. As many have already said, try and pick a project and stick with it. Hell, I learnt java writing fucking bots for runescape.

After doing Java for a couple years, I went straight into a summer internship using php for a month. Went in with little to no php knowledge, but I picked it up really easily because I knew how to code.

tl;dr pick any language and stick with it.

>>722457441
so you're saying college is the only way?
no entry level job in coding without a degree.

>>722457441
so lie on it.. the last thing they check is your schooling.. just put mohawk college or some shit.. they care more about your experience

>>722457399
well html isn't a programming language. it also doesn't help you understand programming logic.
I'd say download a simple IDE with a java compiler (like Netbeans) and go through a tutorial to make a jFrame application like a calculator. The first thing to understand when learning coding is to understand how it executes line by line and how to guide it with basic logic structures (like if/else, case, loops).
The next thing (at least for object orientated programming) is to understand classes and how they can instantiated as objects (unless they are static)

>>722453461
>You absolutely *MUST* have a program you want to write FIRST.
How does that work? What would be a basic program? Come to think of that, I don't really even know what people use programming for besides video games and websites.

>>722457582
Not op but the few people I work with that don't have college degrees did not get to start in dev. Most worked in support for years before moving to a qa/test position then into dev. It's not unheard of but it's also unlikely. A few billion dollar companies started because their founder dropped out of high school or college to pursue his dream but it would be silly for us to recommend that to everyone as a viable strategy.

>>722453821
Python is a dead language it doesn;t run on mac stick to stuff like pascal or ruby

>>722457582
honestly not where i live no... maybe that's because i live in a town with enough CS students to pick from. The only other way i can see it working is if you start coding like crazy and start a repository on github. If you don't know what github is... well you need to know that. Get good with a language like everyone says, then do some interesting things and push the code to your github repo... put that on a resume.

>>722452932
Go back to /g/

>>722452483

it's easier to learn when you know what you're actually trying to do.

like, you're just giving the computer instructions code is just how you phrase what you want it to do

>>722452587
Honestly this. This will teach you faster than any reading any tutorial or watching any YouTube video.

t.learning code for my job right now

>>722457613
idk man my current employer required me to show them my diploma from college. i'm a full stack web dev.

>>722454270
>>722454556
>>722454353

I would stay away from python it's a dying language since it doesn't work on mac.

>>722452587
>>722452483
Just start coding and then when you can't code anymore cause you're too stupid, then ask the internet machine how to do it. If the first thing doesn't work, try the second thing, and then the third, until you exhaust all options. Then you will have a better idea of what you're doing, and then can revise your strategy and use some different approach altogether. At this point, you will get so far until you encounter another problem, there by which you repeat the step of looking on the internet box until you exhaust all options.

>>722457825
ya you're probably going to start in Quality Assurance..... which is basically testing an application until you are "lucky" enough to write unit tests..

Depends on the language, I recommend C# along with Visual Studio. Youtube videos may move slow, but that's how I learned to program. I've been programming ever since the age of 11.I'm 18 now. I started with HTML, a couple months later I learned CSS, then PHP, then MySQL, then Java, then C#. I still have not learned C++. It takes a while but you learn along the way while you make projects.

>>722457582
Bro, this requires the old phrase: "It's not what you know, it's who you know"

You're going to have to get in a 3rd party way imo, which is very common

>>722457734
It used to be easier when everything was command line.

Here's one I recall from an entry level course: write a program to print a pyramid of asterisks on the screen. Modify it to print upside down.

Doing this will teach you a lot more than you'd think.

One of the early tools I write was something to convert hex to RGB and back so I could go between my image editor and CSS colors for color matching. It's not a hard program, but I made my own just to do it.

Maybe your in could be scripting. Do you play WoW? Try scripting its API.

>>722458114
(hyper text markup language) aka not a programming language. (markup language like XML)
(cascading style sheets) not a programming language.

>>722457957
does it matter between 4 and 2 yr degree, or grades?
or do they just wanna see that piece of paper?

>>722452483

w3schools - google - look at other peoples code - try and figure out what it does

>>722458270
It doesn't matter dude. It helps you understand syntax. It's the simple languages that help you get started and the more complex ones build off of your previous knowledge.

>>722458263
dude i doubt he knows what an API is. Also i dont think it's a good idea to start him out in fckin LUA

>>722458286
a 2 year degree would be about as good as teaching yourself. you're going to leave just knowing how to code but not how to do algorithms or how to make a data structure or how to do a lot of advance things.

>>722458286
the grades dont matter at all hahha. I took a 2 year program that had 6 semesters. I instantly got a job right out of school.

>>722458270
>>722458377

Don't get so fed up on what IS or ISNT a programming language. OP just wants to get started.

>>722458286
Piece of paper. Or rather, line on a resume; most do not check if you can talk through a phone interview but your resume could get trashed if it doesn't have the expected education.

As for 2 or 4 years... it's all over the place.

>>722458400
>>722458286
dude for 99% of the things you do in industry... you DO NOT need to know math or how to make maximum efficient algorithms. YOU DO NOT NEED TO KNOW MATH TO PROGRAM. Trust me.. almost anything you do someone has done before and better... 95% of programming is looking shit up on stackoverflow

>>722458378
Yeah probably not, but it's best IMO to connect the code you write to the reward of seeing the result. Got a better suggestion?

Comp sci is by far the most lucrative field. I'm surprised it's not expected to expand like crazy, which I think it will.

I don't have computer science degree, took me 5 months of learning to land a Junior role. Had 8 interviews and past the last three in that 5 months. Go For HTML first, using bootstrap template to make a website and host it online as your portfolio. Learning C# or Java and put a simple web project on there or follow tutorials and put it under your portfolio. Look for full stack role. C# and Java are the most popular and earn the most money, C and C++ is too hard for first language and won't yield as much money. you should easily find a product dev in a small start up that should be a great stepping stone to enter a bigger firm

>>722458377
man it doesnt help you understand syntax to write html..

I think my biggest problem is when I look at code, I don't know what's syntax and what is made up, since some programmers name they very closely

>>722458644
This. I suck at math, program just fine.

Unless you're making video codecs or doing some parts of 3D video games/physics simulations you won't need much math. The hard stuff can be farmed off to libraries long before you need to learn anything.

As for stackoverflow... that is also the truth. Google+SA is what every programmer should use until you find you don't need it. Not looking things up is a sign of a bad programmer.

>>722458644
Those are the bottom of the barrel jobs with no chance of advancement. If you are trying to do anything past a website or a form you should know more than basic data structures. sure you probably won't be using crazy math nor did i claim that. so calm your tits fucking 4chan beta faggot troll

>now I really dont know where I stand.
just looking for a foot in the door . entry level to pay bills kind of job.
if I have no exp and learn over the course of 1 yr "coding" with average ability, what are the odds of landing that job realistically.

People in this thread trying to say learn python must be microsoft hopefulls.

Just admit microsoft will never gain mass market support. Mac is too far a head now

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>>722452483

Sit in a chair for 15 years.

Did it for me.

> being an unsociable reclusive faggot helps minimize distractions
> unfortunately this means you'll be working with a lot of unsociable reclusive faggots

>>722452483

Find something you want to build. Start building it. Learn as you go?

>>722459034
relax bub. im not sure what job you are doing right now that requires you to know calculus or something along those lines, but unless you are working on a massive native application you don't need that stuff. Resource management is done pretty effectively automatically now days. Unless you want to work for a big engineering company like Siemens or Google or some shit..?

>>722455144

Absolute garbage.

> Wrote Python scripts, most of life, to solve problems I saw and wanted to solve.
> Went to college for degree in computer science; pick up Java, C, and assembly concepts.
> Pursued early red-team style career with literal development opportunities.
> Spends significant time RE'ing and building tools based off findings.
> Finds an actual development position and learns there's life after base languages.
> Uses Python to solve problems/generate solutions quickly, but not for production capabilities.
> Uses C# for production solutions and shit that needs to run quick.
> Uses C and hand-optimizes binaries for shit that needs to run quicker and in interesting ways.
> Fuck Java, Python's slow enough.
> Works with team to win many ctfs and Makes bank as a goddamn professional.
> Gets higher education to shit on everyone else because you become a dick when you get money.

I have 10+ years professional experience developing solutions, and I don't think we're ever going back to the "Hey! Hire that nerdy looking kid sitting in his mom's basement, with absolutely no professional experience or education to do in-house development on something clearly more complicated than anything we could buy off the shelf." I would instantly quit if they asked me to hire someone like this.

TL;DR: Python -> C# -> Learning RE skills -> re-writing every personal project you've ever created just to show yourself how far you've come -> drinking -> hating your life -> wanting to die -> ???? -> Profit!!!!!

>>722459765
NIGGA I SAID MATH WASN"T THAT IMPORTANT

>>722459034
>>722459765
also i learned basic data structures in college and none of them required math. Although i havent used a damn linked list in my job once..

>>722459861
you learn data structures in college.. well at least i did at mine..

>>722452483
Oh well you ask random underage retards on /b/, who will surely provide you with an answer provided they are in between faps.

buy an arduino

>>722452483

Case study.

Come up with a simple project, and develop it.

Here's one -

A university needs a way for it's students to register an account.

After they have made an account, the need to be able to register for classes, but classes have a fixed amount of people in them, and students cant register twice.

Make a standalone application that can accomplish this.

>>722459957
That was the point of the post. he said 2 or 4 years and I said go for a 4 year since you will learn stuff like algorithms and data structures. a 2 year would just teach you really basic programming you could learn in a summer online

>>722457873

Please kill yourself. None of this was meant to be cross-platform, and fighting over which interpreted language is superior is absolutely pointless.

>>722456626
>c++
it's a legit website. i'm glad someone posted ir

>>722460082

Can confirm, good method

>>722460096
let me clarify. I did a 2 year program at college. (college in canada is different). It was a sept-june 2 year, 6 semester course. I learned data structures. Maybe you dont in the states ? idk

>>722460155
its not about what language is superior it's about not trying to tell people to learn a language that won't work. I mean go to python.com it doesn't even work anymore. not since they update .NET framework and broke the fundamentals of how python runs

>>722459833
>Fuck Java, Python's slow enough.

lolwut

>>722457673
>HTML isn't a programming language

So much this, Comp Sci student here, one of my lecturers has even said that personally if it's listed as a known "programming language" the resume goes in the trash because it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what a programming language even is.

>>722460359

Lol, good try.

>>722460324
Most people at a 2year college in america would not learn anything of use for programming.

I know literally nothing about code. And I don't own a computer. Can you guys tell me how to be a master of code?

>>722452587
>hen you don't know how to p
yep, 4 years at college for computer science and this is all i came away with.

4 years of working as basically a process monkey in service desk and systems administration.

Last year of sys admin, crammed in as much PowerShell scripting knowledge as I could, went from zero understanding to developing a team module for work automation.

Now about to start a Dev Ops position. Currently cram studying Javascript, JSON, Node.Js, C#, Bash, and Git, and probably need to get a basic working understanding of Python, Ruby, and eventually Java at some point.

To call it overkill is an understatement, but once the position starts to fall into a working process I'll know what I need to focus on developing fully.

So to go back to the original quesion of 'how do you learn?' get a monkey job, then automate yourself into a promotion (or a better job else where if you manage to automate yourself into being not required somehow (all automation needs support) )

>>722460370

Oh, my bad! Requiring a separate EXECUTABLE BINARY that runs the environment your shit runs in is totally amazing, fuck me.

>>722460434
hahaha you have no idea. there was a python thread last night and i was just spewing this bullshit and people were getting so mad at me and trying to argue with me. I also had people convinced that python didn't work on a mac hahahaha

>>722460438
that sounds like shit. our CS students have a lot of great theory but have no practical skills. I was able to contribute to a project a week after getting a job. Im developing an app for teachers to use that is made in angularJS and php Yii

>>722460604

lol, keep trolling kid

>>722460642

This trolln out dis shit used to be 10x better when python.com was still registered as one of those giant-black-dick oriented porn sites. Used to get all the nerds by telling them 2.5 is the last version they're ever going to release, it's shutting down, go to python.com to see.

>>722460604

Dude. Hotspot is not cpython. Not even close.

You're literally retarded if you think so.

>>722452483

codeacademy.com

next question

>>722460756
since thats some practical shit angularJS and php most people at those schools would learn java or c for a couple of years but not enough to be anything special at it either

>>722460871
lolol for real damn i missed that? that would have been funny as hell. i could alwasy tinyurl meatspin i guess

>>722460929
well i learned VS, Java, C++, C, C#, PHP, html, javascript, mysql, android(java)... a bunch of random stuff. I had to learn the frameworks at my job. Although i wish that schools would teach them because things like angular and nodeJS are used EVERYWHERE on the web.. So useful to put on a resume.

>>722461291
VB****

Go to uni or git gud

>>722457873
python doesn't run on mac?

>>whut

>>722459833
whats your opinion on c++?

>>722461532
go to python.com it won't open. thats why no one writes in it any more

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Best way I've found is books that walk you through problems or projects that demonstrate fundamental elements of coding.

This book got me started in swift

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ITT: Idiots who think they are computer masters because they complete entry level challenges on codeacademy and watch youtube videos...


If you want to learn how to code; go to school. You'll get a job that way too.

>>722461645
not that guy but.. C++ is pretty dope, if you are an expert you can make some really efficient crazy shit. most of the actual WoW game client is made in C++. It is a bit more difficult to pick up than java tho, even tho it has similar syntax... things like a class having a .cpp and a .h instead of a .cs (c#) or a .class (java).
would recommend learning java or c# before that.. TBH programming languages keep getting more efficient the closer you get to the machine code.. so C can be faster than C++.. and C++ is faster than something like C# (sometimes).

>>722462101
yeah i got my degree makin 82k right now writing java.
>in b4 poojet
We shouldn't not encourage people to go into programming because we don't need more scrubs around undercutting our wages. That's exactly what the kikes want to happen.

>>722462352
>scrubs around undercutting our wages
>makin 82k right now

lolwut

>>722462352
Regardless of encouragement, you have to pass. Not every person, (especially scrubs) can pass, plus tier of school helps. I'll be there w/ you anon i have 2 more years to go.

>>722462352
what we need are more "front end engineers" making blogs with fucking .io top level domains!

>>722462352
>Java
Where's your self respect? Might as well be sucking dick for a living.

>>722462488
The average CS salary out of school is upwards of 80K

>>722462566
>hangs self

>>722462579
it's about 40-45k as a junior developer in my city. I don't live in silicon valley, I live in the south where things are cheap

>>722462701
Must have gone to a shit school

>>722462573
I like java. What I don't like is oracle.

>>722462758
No I just don't think you know what you are taking about. 82k is a lot of money where I live for someone my age.

>>722462579

making 141k+stock over here.

but yeah, I live in New York, so it's not like I get to live like a king.

>>722462857
Connections are key to high paying jobs anon.. If you don't know anybody of course you're going to get the very entry level job and salary

>>722462966
you sound like you really understand the the enterprise software industry with your stellar advice