I saw an entire thread with nothing but eurofags and Americans

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>>722403288
You might be in this group. You are the dumbest piece of shit over the earth please die with no insurance. Rot in all the hells..

>>722404443
>honestly thinking healthcare saves lives

When I do finally walk into the ER, I get the exact same treatment as you, you fucking idiot. Only difference is I get billed afterwards, and haven't paid 10 times the amount slowly over my life. I'm not a poorfag, unlike you.

>>722403288
>Somehow manages not to see all the WTF is this on my body, I can't go to the doctor cause no healthcare threads on /b/

>>722405444
I'll bite. For many Americans, who make minimum wage or something close to it, being billed after is the same as just destroying their credit. A serious medical procedure often costs more than they have the ability to pay. If I have $75 taken out of my check every two weeks, I can budget around that. $1000+ right away or eat it in my credit score, not so much. Situation has a lot to do with it.

>>722403288
Your mum gets cancer, But she has no access to enough money.would you not want to get free healthcare? this dumb thread must be bait. No one can be this stupid

Another one to think about is children. Kids get sick and kids get hurt. It's a thing that happens to kids. Most boys (and a lot of girls I'm sure) will break a limb at some point doing stupid kid stuff, whether it's fall out of a tree or eat it skating. While many Americans have the option of Medicaid for their kids, some families make too much to qualify, but not enough to afford full price insurance. My wife and I were in this boat when we were both GMs in the local Burger King franchise. Until Ioved to working at Amazon, neither of our jobs offered a family insurance plan, and we couldn't afford to buy insurance outright. When my son was born with club foot, it was lucky that my grandfather is a super high-ranking Shriner and got him treatment pro-bono at one of their hospitals. We'd be destitute if we'd had to pay that out of pocket.

>>722405547
this

>>722405899
nothing if for FREE u dumbass nigga. Especially HEALTHCARE... Difference between "free healthcare" and paid healthcare is that when you pay the exact amount u need right of the bat with cash on the table u get it done RIGHT AWAY while being on "free healthcare" they force you to w8 in line for surgery and w8ing can take even year or more...

>>722406132
that's just not true. sorry but even if you pay right away you get added to the same waiting list.

>>722406269
Thats a serious bullshit u are trying to spread here dood...

>>722406132
Incredibly serious stuff doesn't wait as hard. Also, I don't mind paying taxes into a service that me or my family will likely use at some point. The only people who have an issue with their taxes going to social programs are ones who have never been at such a bottom that they needed them, and come up from it. I.e, people who have had everything given to them or who were alive during the time America was living fat. Baby boomers and manchildren, basically.

>>722406391
If you think serious surgeries are not postponed then u haven't seen a shit.

>>722406502
I'm sorry, you're right, my cousin in Canada who got an emergency vowel reduction and only waited a week after sure did waste away. Not to mention he was kept in the hospital for the week under observation in case he worsened.

>>722403288
14yo bait sage

>>722403288
Underage b&.

>>722403288
I go to the doctor about once every 18 months or so. If it was a pay with cash system, I'd probably have spent around $2,400 over the last decade. Instead, I have about $1.200 a month taken out of my paycheck for insurance. Insurance has cost me about 60 times as much as paying my own way would have cost. And that's not counting my employer's contribution.

>>722405696
>150 a month for insurance
>year of our lord 1988

>tfw grew up in the 1%
>tfw got all my medical care at doctors private houses in their weird home hospitals
>got an xray and shots in this guy's guest room of his giant fucking house

Hospitals are literally for poor people.

>>722405444

And you think you're entitled to other people paying for your healthcare? Kill yourself you fucking NEET.

>Do you go around getting yourself injured on a daily basis?

no, but i work as a labourer and you never know what could happen.

earlier this year a coworker fell off the back of a transport truck we were working in. both of us in safety boots, with salt sprinkled down the ramp, and he still slipped and dislocated his knee cap.

my wrist started hurting a little while ago and i tucked into the hospital and discovered i have developed a blood clot. doctor helped me get on unemployment and things are looking better for me now.

you never know whats gonna happen. just glad i live in canada and had the options i did. they worked out for me. i like to think 'free healthcare' most benefits the working class

throw off your chains

>>722405899

Your mom gets cancer. She wants free healthcare. I don't give a fuck about your mom and don't want to pay for her cancer. She should have been planning and saving for an emergency herself.

Socialized anything is smart people being forced to subsidize stupid people's decisions.

>>722407213
That as legit how much it was as a manager at BK. It was only a little less at an ebay enterprise call center.

>>722403288
I realise this is probably bait but some people really do think like this. Free healthcare has never personally benefited me, but the point is that OTHER PEOPLE (which could easily have been me, if I were simply unlucky) are getting treatment they desperately need to LIVE but could not afford if they had to pay for it. And I know that the same would be true for me if I were ever in that situation.
It's called fucking EMPATHY, America.

>>722406050

Why should I pay for other people's kids because of socialized healthcare.

>>722407217
This is why America needs universal healthcare. Tax this privileged mongoloid with grandad money. Amd use that to better medical care for all.

>>722403288
When you end up having emergency surgery done on your heart, and owe something to the tune of 70000, you're going to bitch and bitch and bitch about how unfair it is and wish you paid for healthcare.

>>722407564
because you're not a selfish piece of shit

>>722403288
Falls off roof. 1 day in hospital. Over $40,000. Over 1 year off work. With late fees and interest and ruined credit that $40k cost me 10 years of payments...

Dont believe in free. But my fuck... something gotta change.

>>722407493

No, it's called rich politicians buy votes from worthless people by promising to make the middle class pay for their shit. It's the opposite of empathy.

>>722407700

It's not selfish to not want to pay for someone else's kids dumbass. The resources I earn should be used to enrich my family, not someone else's.

>>722407564
Please tell me about all the things you'll do with that <25¢ per paycheck, anon.

Also when you need heart surgery or you've been injured in an accident, will you be paying cash or check? Sure you've saved for the surgery, maybe, but what about the months to years of physical therapy or follow up care?

Obviously only a kid wouldn't understand why insurance is so important. 4chan is filled with idiot children who think they Have all the answers. The literal definition of obnoxious.

>>722403288
You should ask your dad to explain why insurance exists.

>>722407909

25 cents? You're a fucking idiot. I pay 1,400 a month for Healthcare for my family - my mortgage is only 1200!

You don't know shit about how the world works.

>>722407895
that's like the definition of selfish, idiot
"i've got mine, why should i help others?!"

>>722407895
I'm middle class and I'm down with socialized healthcare. Mainly because through hard work I've moved up from being destitute, and in a position where I needed it. Until you've been there, you'll likely never understand.

>>722407909
If every taxpayer in America paid for socialized healthcare, it would amount to a little less than a quarter per paycheck from every taxpayer.

>>722408037

Fine. It's selfish that you have a wife and I don't. When is it my turn to fuck her?

>>722408098
Whoops, meant for >>722408028


Also I'm sorry your credit is so bad you pay $1400 for a mortgage. Get on my $720/mo for a $150,000 house poorfag

>>722408058

Fine. And that gives you the right to force me to pay? If you like charity so much, donate to charity. Socialized Healthcare is politicians buying votes from worthless people by promising to steal from the middle class.

>>722408178

>if every taxpayer paid

If everyone is paying for Healthcare, why doesn't everyone pay for their own shit and then everyone is covered?

I pay 1,200 for a 242k house and 3.2% interest. My credit is fine.

>>722403288
>implying these girls are over 18
I reported you, enjoy your ban :^)

>>722408113
What disturbs me about this is that you think wives are analogous to property.

>>722403288
There is no such thing as free healthcare. You either have none, you have a private health insurance, or one financed through taxes.

The only difference is that tax financed health care is both better and less expensive on a personal level, because it is more efficient due to actual planning of infrastructure (hospitals, practitioners, emergency services, etc.), and better bargaining position for services.

Obviously I realize OP never leaves his parents basement, but for anybody who actually likes living in a functioning society surrounded by people they care about it's a nobrainer.

>>722408196
I'm done arguing with you, because you'll never understand. Until you've had to decide whether food or medicine is more important, whether you can afford to not treat the worsening flu you've been wrestling, and just go to work and tough it out because taking time off isnt an option. Whether you can just not get that tetanus shot after getting injured walking to work because you decided albuterol to not asphyxiate was more important than being able to drive to your job. Until these are things you've worried about, it's unlikely you understand why a little off your check for social medicine is okay. I've been there, I'm past that, but I get it.

>>722408398
What annoys me about this post is their is no tits. Gtfo fucking female. If you ain't posting tits we don't care. Timestamp too .

>>722408438
This guy gets it.

>>722408308
The "every taxpayer paying" means every taxpayer pays a portion, and everyone can utilize. I'm sorry you're so miserly that you can't spare less than a dollar a month to help the people around you. The blue collar workers who keep your daily life functioning, if you're not a 1%. The gas station employee where you fill up your car, the bag boy at the grocery you feed your family from, the retail associate where you buy your clothes and household goods. These are the people who need socialized healthcare, because they're getting paid peanuts doing the jobs you won't, and either can't afford their workplace's insurance plan or they simply aren't offered one. The ones who make too little to get by but too much for welfare.

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>>722405547
this

As a Britfag with access to the glorious NHS, I am shocked when there are /b/ros asking for advice on how to perform operations because they have to choose between medical care or food.

And none of you mentioned getting old. I'm 57 and now suffering osteoarthritis. If I wasn't in a country with subsidised healthcare, I'd be crippled physically and financially. A public healthcare system indicates that the country in question cares about its citizens and doesn't see them as disposable drones.

>>722408398
/b/ is finally growing up, I'm so proud

>>722403288
Although I'm healthier than most people I have type 1 diabetes dumbass. Health care kinda matters since I have to constantly get checkups and take insulin to stay healthy and alive

>>722403288
Well the day you'll get interned in a psychiatric ward for being such a sociopathic pervert, you'll be happy to have healthcare.

>>722408438
The trouble in America is the corrupt system. We already have universal healthcare for people 65+, but that system is forbidden from negotiating drug prices, so they start high for everyone and costs are astronomical. Medicare is already capable of bringing its own costs, but is forbidden from doing so.

Until we vote out the scumbags in Congress who protect the pharmaceutical and for-profit hospital industry, nothing can change.

>>722406269
Not in Canada. The wait was so long for their "free healthcare" system that a lawsuit was filed since so many people were dying. Now they have "super" hospitals which is basically just a hospital like in America were you can pay and essentially get to cut the line

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>>722409095
This.

Amerifags will never know the glory of the NHS. They're so deluded that they actuallt think paying tens of thousands of dollars for medical care is somehow 'fair'.

>>722405696
Uhhh that's why you are supposed to save for when it happens.

>>722410112
Making half a living wage and saving up for a $50,000 surgery. Are you fucking serious?

>>722410204
>I can't pay for myself so I will make others pay
But really though, you have had to take really bad decisions to end up with a shitty job/not making enough money to maintain yourself.
Decisions that you took and now must accept the consequences.
Also, 50,000$? I'm in yourop, so healthcare is """"free""""" but what kind of surgery costs that much? I mean if you get cancer or some terrible disease you didn't ask for and whatnot I suppose but hey that's just bad luck. Still doesn't give you the right to force others to pay for you.

>>722410204
Guess you should've joined the military

>>722409148
Not to mention that in America, even most private insurance doesn't cover pain management.

>>722410506
Do Americans have no empathy for others at all?

>>722410506
Getting others to cover surprise expenses is the whole goddamn point of insurance.

>>722410597
No conservatives have empathy. Probably about a third of liberals do.

OP whats the right girls name, i might know her

>>722410506
Healthcare is a service for the public good just like firefighting, education, and police.

There needs to be a minimum standard of decency that we can tolerate in a society, and America is falling below it by forcing people to forego medical care because they cannot afford it

>>722410597
americans on /b/ who haven't lived past 30 have no empathy

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>>722410597
And those are all voluntary deals, not government impose
>>722410651
I have empathy for family and friends and I would of course help them out with surprise expenses, but again, key word being voluntary. Not with a gun on my head

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>>722406781
Hahahahahahah you faggots are jolly because you don't have healthcare I am from Canada and everything is free ahhahahHhjjHjjJj

>>722410764
Are you crazy? The government has always been doing this. The National Flood Insurance Program. FEMA grants. SBA disaster relief. Unemployment Insurance.

The government runs tons of insurance programs. There are many things that need insuring that the private sector is incapable of insuring properly.

>>722410506
Not that anon, $50k is a lot for anything that's not really out there, but $5000 is believable.

I work as a warehouse supervisor with a small fastener distributor. I make about $13/hour,but the benefits offered by my job are whack, they require you to pay for your own medical treatment, and then the insurance company reimburses you a portion of it in 6-8 weeks.
My wife works as a banquet manager at a high-traffic convention center, makes $15/hour. Her job offers good benefits, but their family plan is prohibitively expensive for us because housing is expensive here. Our credit isn't quite good enough for a home loan, so we're stuck paying about a grand a month for our apartment.
We have two small children, who like to get things from time to time, one is in public school (school supplies cost money), the other is in daycare (another expense). We pay for a car (one is already paid off, thankfully), insurance for both vehicles, we cut our television and opted for hoarding dvds to save money, but we still have an Internet bill (everyone does. And it's comcast so we're getting jewed there because they're literally the only option). Add in groceries (we make too much for food stamps) and there isn't a whole lot of room for extra saving, not more than $70-100/month. We're not in a bad situation at all, we live moderately but not beyond our means, but any kind of serious medical expense would devastate us.

>>722410907
A car wreck could easily run past $50,000.

>>722410603
Not American here so fill me in

Why is it that even if you have insurance, you still have to pay a percentage of your medical fees? Isn't that what insurance is supposed to be for in the first place?

And also why do you still have to pay to even visit a doctor?

1. Virtually everyone needs healthcare at some point. If you live long enough, you will get cancer at least.
2. Medical bills are not only the #1 cause of personal bankruptcies in the U.S., they count for more than all other reasons combined.
3. Half of all women have kids. In Canada, you go to the hospital, have a kid, maybe a c-section, a few complications, come out, no bill. In the States, you're likely to be hit with a bill of $6000 just for that. If you get a serious disease, or anyone in your family has a serious condition, you're utterly screwed.

>>722411012
True but you could sue if you're not at fault, and if they have insurance they should knock a chunk off with it.

>>722410907
Then my question is, why did you have children in the first place if you could barely maintain yourself with your wife?
Also, are you saving anything? Or is there nothing left at the end of the month?

>>722403288

Fuck, I'll bite.

I know it's not free, because I pay for it out of my National Insurance, but in effect, there is no cost implication on me PLUS the NI payment is before tax is deducted, so lowers my overall taxable amount:

>Scotland
>NHS Scotland
>Free prescriptions as and when needed
>Free visual prescriptions
>Free GP appointments
>Free complex medical procedures
>Free everything

Everything is free - I pay no money towards anything in relation to illness or medical procedures should I require it.

Top example?

>Mother-in-law struck with Cancer, a particularly rare and aggressive kind. NHS send her to London where she has complex, dangerous surgery carried out by one of the highest qualified experts in the land

>Surgeon finds a cancer growth on her heart that hadn't been spotted.

>Finishes his job, stitches her back up, sends her in an ambulance back to Edinburgh

>Top qualified specialist for heart / cancer issues in Scotland operates on her and removes the tumor on the heart

>Spends five weeks recovering in the Jubilee hospital in Glasgow (Once a private facility for Saudi rich people - own room, great food, great facilities)

>Full recovery or remission, whatever it's called - cancer cells gone

Cost?

Nothing.

Why?

Because a life shouldn't be about money.

>>722405444
Nobody's ever gone bankrupt from paying National Insurance, you don't pay "10 times upwards" Faggot

>>722407438
>i like to think 'free healthcare' most benefits the working class

It's true, and I think that as someone who's fairly well-off, I should be in a position where I can help other people out. I wouldn't want to live in a society where anybody has to go without medical care.

It just seems to me that upper-class conservative Americans are incredibly selfish and don't care about anyone else in their society at all. It's like they forget that they have to inhabit the same society as these people, it's not like they can just forget about them. Pretending they don't exist just comes around to bite them on the bum

>>722411113
One kid was an accident. Other one wasn't. We maintain ourselves just fine, we're not hurting for anything and we never have been, because we're not stupid. Of course we save, but $100/month is drops in the bucket if something catastrophic happens. Our savings account is by no means empty, but medical costs are exorbitant and one bad turn of luck would still devastate us.

>>722407753
>1 day in hospital. Over $40,000.
That's a lot.. What did they do? transform you in a cyborg? robotic legs?

>>722403288

>Britfag
>Go to Europe
>Get hurt
>Pay £££££££ in medical fees, recovery fees (skiing accident), etc, etc, have to sell home, lose everything

OR

>Britfag
>Get my European Health Insurance Card (free)
>Go to Europe
>Get hurt
>Pay nothing, as the EHIC is an EU agreement whereby member states provide care for each others nationals provided they are registered in their home country for healthcare, i.e., NHS in Britain

The benefits of the NHS and a national scheme are endless.

>>722411024
It's called a co-pay. I have private insurance. When I go see a doctor, I have to pay 30 up front.

I'll explain my plan, which is through a government agency employer. My cost is $350 a month, my employer pays $809 a month. So the plan costs $13,908 a year.

I start every January 1 with a $450 deductible, which is considered low. I pay 100% out of pocket until I've spent $450.

After I meet my deductible, I pay a co-pay for a routine doctor visit. As I mentioned, $30. All name brand prescription drugs are $30, generics are $10.

If I have a procedure, let's say it costs $7,500. First the insurance company does an adjustment. It has negotiated prices. So it says to the hospital, no the new amount due is $4,000. My plan pays 80%. So insurance pays $3,200. I pay $800.

If I had no insurance, I'd be stuck with the $7,500.

I get a free physical exam and free flu shot annually.

>>722411468
Depending on what all has to be done, thats not surprising. Average cost is about $3g a day, and that's for stuff like illness or small injury

>>722403288
I recently had an ambulance ride and a trip to the hospital. Never had one before, but sure felt good that it was free af.

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>>722407442
This is why America is in turmoil. It hates its own people.

>>722411051
It's more like $50,000 for a c-section in the US:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/health/american-way-of-birth-costliest-in-the-world.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

>>722407438
>throw off your chains
my boy

>>722411125
I love the NHS

>>722411742
My wife had a c-section in a small nonprofit hospital. Both the baby and she were fine. $22,800 before insurance.

Her cousin, who has type 1 diabetes had a c-section section in a high risk facility in a large for profit hospital. Baby spent two days in NICU. Around $75,000 before insurance.

>>722411928
wow...
American Land of the free...

>>722411565
So annually you pay about $4000 a year? I have a couple questions:

Does what your employer pays come out of your salary?

What do you do if you're self-employed?

What do you do if you don't make enough to cover the plan?

What happens if you miss a payment because you're inbetween jobs and you have an accident in that period?

How much do you pay for tax?

>>722412113
It's because of how capitalist our Healthcare system is. Capitalism works in some places, but medicine isn't one of them.

>>722411686
Honestly, if my closest interaction with America were on /b/, I'd be terrified I was watching 1930's Germany all over again.

>>722411928
Everybody knows the cost of babies, so I assume if you have them is because you can afford it.
And if you can't, not my problem

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>>722403288
>tfw you will never be in a bubble bath with two super cute teens

JDIMSA

>>722412229
capitalism only works as long as you're the owning class, everyone else gets fucked and history has shown this

>>722412314
>Commie detected
The reason why it is so expensive it's because there isn't enough competition because of regulations. Therefore not a true free trade, not true capitalism

>>722412314
Capitalism works in certain industries, like retail, or food service, or grocery. I work for a discount tool franchise. We get our stuff manufactured dirt cheap in China, and can charge $30 for a power tool that's $75 at Home Depot. Is it the best quality? Not at all. But we stay competitive because people will come and buy from us since it's inexpensive. Grandpa Joe doing diy home repairs loves us, but Chris the contractor wouldn't be caught dead with our stuff because he'll pay extra for high quality tools. That's capitalism working well.

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>>722412402
>American healthcare is not capitalist enough

Fucking wew lad.

>>722412519

No it's not. It's shitty consumer awareness making people buy shit, buy twice.

>>722412402
Yeah, medical practice isn't a competitive industry in that sense. It takes a lot of time and money to become a doctor, therefore there aren't a ton of doctors. You can't just go to the bank, ask for a loan and go "I'm gonna open up a hospital to create competition"
It's simply not that sort of industry.

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>>722412254

read this link

>>722411742

I am.surprised that people still have children in usa tbh

>>722412184
>So annually you pay about $4000 a year? I have a couple questions:
>Does what your employer pays come out of your salary?

The 350 a month is withheld from my paycheck. The 809 is a cost my employer encounters, so it's reasonable to believe I'd get paid more of that didn't expense went away.

>What do you do if you're self-employed?
You pay for the whole thing or you go without insurance. I should mention my plan covers me, my wife, and child. If I have another child, my cost doesn't go up.

>What do you do if you don't make enough to cover the plan?
You don't get paid.

>What happens if you miss a payment because you're inbetween jobs and you have an accident in that period?
We have something called COBRA that covers that. But I'd be responsible for the full $1159 per month.

>How much do you pay for tax?
Well I have a base salary of around $1600 every two weeks. After health insurance, federal tax withheld, state tax withheld, social security and Medicare tax withheld, I take home about $1125 of the $1600. My home is worth $200,000 and I pay 950/year in property tax. I pay 3% sales tax on groceries, 7% on general goods, and around 10% on prepared food.

>>722412588
>implying there isnt regulation that dont allow you to freely choose your insurance
do you even obamacare bruh?

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Trump supporters are completely self-focused because they lack the resources or intelligence to see beyond their own shitty circumstances. The typical Trump supporter on /b/:

- 21-y-o white male
- vapes
- drinks energy drinks but doesn't do anything with energy other than sit and read/type/misspell garbage
- some community college, no degree, but convinced that he is smarter than other people who are more accomplished
- afraid of black people even though interaction with black people has been very infrequent
- parents have same political opinions
- doesn't even realize he is becoming the same ignorant crybaby that his parents have always been
- thinks being born white in America means you are entitled to a job for life even if you are in 25th percentile of peers academically/complains that immigrants from east asia are taking jobs that he isn't even qualified to do

>>722407438
My father fell off scaffolding this very morning.
Currently in the hospital with a broken clavicle and some damage to his ribs and hip.
He has no insurance.
We are fucked.

>>722411742
the nytime article is insane... Can't understand that people don't start a revolution in usa... A basic thing like be pregnant and having kids charged like that...

I wonder when they start to tax the air you breath usfags...

>>722412706
>plan covers me, my wife, and child
i suppose the cost for an insurance for a single person would be cheaper?
also
>mfw i can live pretty comfortably here with 1600€/ month

>>722412822
The Republican party has been masterful at convincing poor white people that their interests are best served by looking out for the interests of big business. Poor people of color haven't bought into that horseshit.

>>722403288
um wtf those are kids

>>722412942
When I was single, the same plan just for me was $129 a month I think. Employer's cost was something like $550 a month.