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OP here
heres something i found on old trees that were supposedly destroyed heres the site ------>
https://secretenergy.com/news/are-these-giant-prehistoric-trees/

>>722303720
it's an interesting thought, I love the idea that we were even greater then we are now, then bombed ourselves back to the stone age or had a great cataclysm and started over.

I looked into thoughts like this a few years back, my conclusion was a substantial lack of solid evidence and a lot of wishful thinking to connect the missing dots.

I remember something about a place in India where the ground was turned to glass as If a nuke went off there, and it may have had some other shit to back it up to.

Try searching ancient India nuclear explosion.

>>722304118
i think it was a video on youtube if that helps

theres just no evidence of this, it would mean there would be a layer of radioactive fallout al across the planet, there just isnt

they ay there is though death vally

hang on

>>722303720
There was ancient civilizations on earth pre religious text that got wipe away by a comet, massive flooding and rains, that melted the remaining ice caps. This is the story in all religions around the world about the earth being flooded. The nuclear weapon thing is actual the earth being bombarded by comets and asteroids. They leave the same markings as an atom bomb. This is why they are confused. Just look at the moons craters, the earth had been hit way more.

"..Gulf of Mexico impact or explosion (and I believe the accompanying nuclear war) helped produce a dust and ash cloud that circumvented the globe and helped cause global nuclear winter and famine conditions. In fact, MANY scientists point to this event as the trigger for one of earth's ice ages - something that is consistent with nuclear winter - and as being the primary cause of the disappearance of dinosaurs and many other species. Between this bombardment, the war, and the global flood that is also recorded by every major culture on earth (dated less than a thousand years before the war according to Biblical records), the mass extinction of numerous species is entirely plausible. We know the ash cloud happened because archaeologists and geologists have found a layer of ash and clay surrounding the globe on every single continent, deep in the strata. It even has a name, the K-T Boundary layer. And within this ash and clay are a preponderance of what are called tektites, shocked quartz, and/or glassy globules of fused sand/dirt, the kind of which are produced by the intense heat of either a meteor strike, or a nuclear detonation (but NOT typically by volcanic activity - so we can rule that one out). And many of them are slightly radioactive still...Also within this ash and clay layer is a high concentration of iridium, something often found in meteorites (hence part of the meteor confusion). Trouble is, iridium is radioactive, and can theoretically also be produced in nuclear explosions..Some nuclear reactors even use iridium in their design, and it's not a far stretch to imagine advanced nuclear weapons using it as well (in spite of its ideal properties making it perfect for nuclear weapons casings and the like, it isn't used in most modern weapons simply because it is so rare on earth and tungsten also works well a much more common element on earth. A space faring race with access to meteorsand asteroids could easily use iridium insteadmore on this in a minute

>>722304118
Comet and asteroid impacts make the same glass and nano diamonds

>>722304247
But there is layers of materials from comets and asteroids. This is what they are confusing

>>722304601
mahabharata nuclear war in india

>>722304650
Watch the joe rogan podcast on YouTube when he interviews graham Hancock and Randall Carlson? This is what they are referring too

>>722304717

we have lots of historical accounts of people picking up metallic fragments that were identified as "meteorite" in origin, from the countryside around the crater about a 100 years ago, but actually down in the crater there is/was almost nothing. In fact the problem so vexed scientists of the previous century that entire books were written on the probable cause of the crater.

An underground steam explosion seemed to be the most common explanation to eventually be accepted. But the theories kept coming, and the officially accepted explanation likewise changed. Currently, we have "meteor crater."

What is interesting is that a metallic analysis of the "meteorite" fragments from that area gives results that are remarkably similar to and consistent with various current, modern alloys used in the nuclear industry to house and contain radioactive materials.

>>722304601
here is my question, and I'm open to all kinds of ideas, if anything this is what I want the history of the earth to be.

why haven't we found relics made of like super strong metals that would have survived through the time to now?

I know thing metal would rust and turn to dust but, would like a solid steel block device thing deteriorate over 10,000's of years into nothing?

also how long ago do sources claim the event took place?

>>722304760
Yes I read them. Great stories but the reality of it is the bombardment of comets and asteroids on earth. Those impacts are greater than nuclear bombs sans the radiation fallout

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>>722304717
arizona meteor crater

>>722304945
thin metal*

Seas of Glass...

On every single continent, there are areas where they can find or have found what some people have dubbed "Seas of Glass," either on the surface, or buried under centuries of dirt, where the sand and/or dirt has literally been fused by intense heat into glass. The colour of these seas varies according to the mineral content, but they are everywhere. And they are, practically speaking, identical to the ones that were created by the US Government in the Nevada desert when they were first testing the modern atomic bomb.

>>722304859
Na. Grasping at straws to hard. Some impacts don't even make it to the ground. Aka the Tunguska event

>>722304717
this is correct yes, but its a different kind of radiation, in many magnitudes lower amounts, which is what tinfoils like OP always seem to miss

>>722304945
I know there was that disk thing they found at sea the was the "oldest computer" or whatever, but shouldn't we be finding 100's of artifacts, we find all kinds of stuff from primitive man, we find all kinds of stuff from dinosaurs but nothing from a previously advanced race

>>722303720
>basically its sayin there was a nuclear war that destroyed most of the earth before ww2.
No there wasnt

>>722304945
12,800 and 11,600 years ago. Our last ice age. Advanced doesn't mean having to use metal. Pyramids and the like are built with stones. The floods and icebergs 2 miles thick can rub away any trace of civilization. Just google map north America and look at all the scars from the event. I watch joe rogan podcast on YouTube. Interview with graham Hancock and Randall Carlson

>>722304945
Also my rusty dodge would disintegrate in 50 years if left outside and done forget all the populations lived on the coast lines that are now 400 feet under water after the ice caps melted

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The results of the study will be published in one of scientific previewed journals on July 30, 2017, at the anniversary of the Tunguska, according to Denis Rogozin, senior research worker at Krasnoyarsk Research Center Siberian Branch of RAS.

The results of Russian scientists’ research left the academic society without the last straw they grasp in the hope to find any evidence that the Tunguska event actually was a meteorite impact and made the Tunguska event really mysterious again.

>>722304961
Yes I'm well away of that one. What your point? How about the yukitan peninsula?

>>722305027
Comet and asteroid impacts do the same. Look at the moon. The earth has been hit way more

>>722305143
It's not his fault. There is a big misdirection on information to not make us aware that these impacts are going to happen again.

http://www.space.com/5573-huge-tunguska-explosion-remains-mysterious-100-years.html

i just want more info it piqued my intrest

help me delve deeper dont be so closed minded /b nothing wrong with being a tinfoil. id rather still have an imagination in this sad depressing world

Have you ever played Assassin's Creed? Imagine the same story with the first civilization, the Knights Templar becoming Abstergo entertainment, etc.

That's basically the state of the world. Except instead of Templar Knights, world events are being controlled by top Freemasons, who are basically neopagans who worship members of the race that built us in their image as slaves.

>>722306287
Fun fact: Freemasons are working on decoding genetic memory as we speak. They've made terrifying progress.

>>722306346
> fact

>>722306561
I have family members in high up places that I have since disowned because of these facts. Believe me or not, it makes no difference.

Ffs. Can this thread be any more fucking retarded? It's utter nonsense OP. All of it. No ancient nukes. Also the bible, the Koran, Santa, all bullshit. Why? Because science. That's why. Anyone who believes this shit is an a grade fucking womble.

>>722306645
I choose not.
You forgot to paste that long bogdanoff spiel at the end of your post this time

>>722306703
Yes, because when an entire planet scattered with disconnected tribes of people come up with the same set of stories, there is no validity to be had due to the age of the writings right?

The explanations in the bible are nonsense, but to assume that the events described within have no factual basis is equally foolish.

>>722306876
These stories aren't just in religious text.

>>722307141
Furthering my point for me?

>>722304859
Based astrophysicist reporting in.
Meteors and comets are extremely energetic during atmospheric entry, they break apart and the bulk of the mass heats up so much that it vaporizes as an explosion during impact. (It sploded)

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>>722307303
Yup I'm well aware of the super heated atmosphere disintegration version. Check this impact out

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>>722307303
Now check this one out for comparison. That half circle is the one that brought the last ice age to an end

>>722303720
this is the fucking stupidest shit I've ever seen in my life.

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>>722307303
Couple little ones next to it

>>722307239
Yes cause I know the whole story.

>>722304945
Yes, steel alloy and iron would remain intact at least mostly and would be obviously non-natural.
>>722305237
Is completely wrong. The ice-sheets that moved away from the poles picked up rocks and boulders and carried them, causing the gashes in parts of the land, and most importantly on other rocks which you can see as scratches. Also the glaciers didn't cover the whole earth, it didn't go below ~40 degrees latitude (middle of NY is the limit) for Southern glacier movement. I don't know how far north the southern glaciers went but the majority of the land in the US wasn't touched.

>>722307711
Tell me the names of the 4 men working on Project THGM and I'll believe you.

>>722306876
Like great floods, fore and plagues?

If any writer attempts a story to show mass death of while societies, the plot options are pretty much limited to those devices, especially 1000+ years ago.

It's really.not a surprise the same ideas came up.

Just want to put this out there coz I see people arguing about religious texts.

The problem comes with the modern definition of religion. Luke paganism is not a religion even though modern paganists like to refer to it as such. It is more like respecting the forces of nature. Truth be told there only exists three religions in this world and they are all Abrahamic. And those are the ones that are not based on fact. Others are fantastical descriptions of real historical events. Think how would a pet describe a river. Or a spaceship.

Religion needed to propagate so they converted foolish masses with their stories and "proved" that the true events were actually false by way of majority. This is one of thereasons why religion ists need to convert people while most old civilizations do not have a concept of conversion but a concept of"understanding" and reaching the conclusions on your own. Viz -a- viz scientific approach. (Another reason why religionists hate science)

>>722305409

This.

This was literally part of my thesis back in college.

The vitrification that happens that conspiritards use for this ancient nuclear war nonsense, is the exact same type of vitrification found in sites of asteroidal impacts.

But OP smokes too much weed and can't be convinced otherwise.

>>722307950
I dont think weed has anything to do with it.

Lots of people smoke weed and aren't fucking retarded.

>>722305027
Those are from meteor and asteroid impacts, they burn up and produce the explosive power of hundreds of thousands tons of TNT. The first nuclear bomb, Fat man produced the explosive power of 15,000 tons of TNT. Earth impacts are significantly more dangerous for life on Earth than bombs.

>>722307719
Just watch the podcast from Joe rogan interview with Randall Carlson. And you're completely wrong. The entire face of America is washed away from this massive flood event. Go spend some time on google earth and look. A major flood event including icebergs rocks dirt trees boulders go all caught up in it like a tsunami.

>>722308008
I don't think weed has anything to do with it. Plenty of smokers and nonsmokers alike have become enlightened.

>>722305470
misdirection my ass, it's not only commonly known this stuff is still happening but that we are actually past due for an extinction event impact by thousands of years.

>>722307946
>per
I meant poet

>only recently

it's 20 fucking 17, how has anyone not watched the ancient aliens series even if just for the sake of being ironic?

>>722307867
>THGM
I don't know what you're talking about but I do know what happened during the last ice age

>>722308152
and enlightenment entails believing in an ancient nuclear war?

count me out.

>>722307719
That's old science you are spitting out.

>>722307867
Now you have peaked my interest, what is project THGM?

>>722307946
you are the worst kind of faggot.

are you even old enough to post on this board?

>>722306876
Mythologies and religions incorporate actual events but attribute them towards fantastical and magical sources such as a god flooding the entire world with hyperbole. An asteroid impact was likely the cause for large scale flooding but sure as shit the highest mountain was not submerged in water for a month, physically impossible unless somehow the viscosity of water increase by orders of magnitude or water magically appeared for a temporary time.

>>722308175
Coming in the next 30 as we enter the middle of the taurid belt debris field

>>722308370
>old enough
32 mate. Old And literate enough to know fact from myth. Which you seem to far from achieving, faggot.

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I miss when /x/ had threads like these. Now its all succubus retardation.

>>722308598
there are literally hundreds of non-Abrahamic religions in the world, and more than 3 Abrahamic religions (example: B'ahai).

you're a fucking idiot.

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>>722308596
Here something like this is coming up

>>722308795
Hopefully enough has impacted over the years there are no more big ones left

>>722308257
Nope in fact I haven't watched a tv show since 2009

>>722308336
It's a secret man. Why would he tell you?

>>722307589
I'm going to need some sources on that, variou spapers have pointed towards release of CO2 in the northern hemisphere as a result of glacial instability caused global warming which resulted in changing ocean currents in the Southern hemisphere and lead to further CO2 release as the Southern glacier melted. Nothing about an impact ending it (Shakun, Clark, Fe, et al. 2012).

>>722308991
Because I'm a nice guy?

>>722308287
The project in which Freemasons are decoding genetic memories and using them to A) make sleeper agents, and B) learn more about the first civilization. If you know about the first war but not about the Mason's involvement, you really know nothing at all.

>>722309065
There are non. That's the problem. Science is turning a blind eye to it. Randall Carlson only guy I know who's currently uncovering it.

>>722309195
That would be enough for me

>>722303720
>basically its sayin there was a nuclear war that destroyed most of the earth before ww2
And it's full of shit, myths and lies.

Find any evidence in the fossil records, like fall-out, or destroyed buildings from a nuclear-enabled society.

You can't. There aren't any. Move on.

>>722303720

two things to add to the discussion:

1) natural nuclear reaction. google it. apparently it has actually happened, albeit millions of years ago.

2) some theories that have now been largely discounted have said that the tunguska event in russia may have been caused by a minute black hole that crossed our space time.

read about both of those. interesting stuff.

>>722308328
Reference some papers then, I used to live close to the dividing line where the glacier stopped and you could see a distinct difference in the number of larger rocks as well as the scratches on the surface. My specialty is in Astrophysics, not Geophysics, so point me towards some material to refute my claims.
>>722308125
Conspiracy theories over a podcast are not peer-reviewed research papers.

>>722305237
A nuclear weapon made of stones and wood?

....

PS. Rogan is an idiot.

>>722309199
I'm not interested in the plot to captain America. I'm interested in the demise of the human population by extinction level impact of comet or asteroid

>>722308596
There's actually a nifty hypothesis being passed around that the periodic nature of mass extinction events matching part of the galactic orbit of the solar system implies the extinction events are caused by the solar system passing through the arms of the Milky Way.

>>722309417
It won't be comets or asteroids that bring on the third human extinction. It will be ancient technology.

>>722308907
kek, fucking nope.

>>722309396
I live in NY I see the marks all the time. There are no papers. That's the problem. Randall Carlson. That's all I can do for ya. Peer review isn't the be all end all. Look with your eyes not with your wasteful protocol. I don't care if you believe. Look at the moon. The earth as been hit more than that and will continue to get hit. That's my point. You can cuck yourself all you want with what the establishment says is right. Earth being flat and all at one point. Earth being center of the universe at one time

>>722309396
Have you watched it or no? It's not even close to conspiracy theory.

>>722304961
Do you even impact mechanics, that one thing would of whipped out everything and is carbon dated to 65 million years. Then also the gulf of Mexico is left overs from the moon impact over 3.8 billion years ago

>>722309403
No flood waters full of them. Just watch it. Rogan is a douche yes but the guests are not

>>722303720

Click on link and go to the page...

First thing I notice is baloney is spelled wrong.

Close page

Come back here to laugh at OP and remind that OP is always a faggot

>>722309659
K

SERIOUS QUESTION: has anyone heard that nuclear bombs are not really real, and we have all been decieved?

>>722309718
Gulp*

>>722309284
These claims refute scientifically published research without any scientific evidence to support them. That's laughable, research papers are torn to shreds if they make improper assumptions, have faulty logic or analysis or if the conclusions can't be drawn, by multiple people in that field before it can even get published. Conjecture and speculation do not refute proper research, science is a method and tool, not a communal overseer of knowledge.

>>722309910
Shut up.

>>722309990
What you are saying is the problem with science and it's protocols. What you gonna do when you have a few hours before something large hits? Talk to it about papers and such? Get real man

>>722309990
This nigga gets it

>>722309990
The evidence is in plain view on google earth. You can see the scarring once you take the blinders off. Just another cuck scientist are you.

>>722310142
Hey you contributed a lot with your 2¢ there buddy. Keep up the good work

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>>722309910
>mfw my school has a bombing range
>has a nuke half a mile from campus
kek, gotta love New Mexico

>>722310142
You the other science guy ITT? What field did you study ya nerd?

>>722310533
Kek

>>722310302
likewise, pal

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Here. I'm out. I'm not in the business of convincing anyone. Judge for yourself

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>>722310624
Hey good one!

>>722310222
>The evidence is in plain view on google earth. You can see the scarring once you take the blinders off. Just another cuck scientist are you.
Translation:
>I have no proof or evidence, so I'll claim it's obvious if you open your eyes, shout at you, call you names and hope that'll convince watchers that I must be right.

>If that doesn't work I'll claim a conspiracy to cover up the evidence, mention the Illuminati and Area 51

>>722310118
>I genuinely chuckled at this
I can't even tell what stance you have anymore; asteroid impacts, aliens, ancient civilization nuke. Thanks to methods in orbital mechanics we can plot asteroid trajectories, thanks to astronomical observations we can tell what objects are moving where, combined we could theoretically predict if and when an object will hit the Earth. Without rigorous observations and science we would know nothing. You drink your cup and I'll drink mine.

>>722304945
That apparent mobile phone found in africa thats "1000s of year old"

>>722310222
trips beats dubs so we have our truth
>>722310799 it might not be right, but thats the law

>>722303720
>love conspiracy shit
>Ancient aliens and all that tinfoil shit
>click link
>one paragraph in
>they're trying to interpret the Bible literally
Fuuuuuuuck this.

>>722310799
Well fuck, I know about the Area 51 stuff, one of my professors was indirectly involved. One of the Co-founders of Langmir Labs (lightning research center in NM) was testing a sub-orbital satellite dish at Area 51 on a weather balloon to detect nuclear explosions from anywhere in the world (queue the Soviets during the Cold War). The data couldn't be wirelessly retrieved from the device so it's lowered but the stupid thing got off track and landed in town. They had to pick it up but the gov. couldn't let people know about the nuke detecting tech. so they gave a half-hearted coverup and relied on alien hysteria to avoid the technology being made public. Also they used an old WWII ambulance to transport science equipment because it was big and what they had.

>>722310906
I never mentioned aliens and nukes. This is the problem when science thinks they have everything figured out. What about the one we rolled into in 2014? Didn't see it coming right? Good luck with your peer reviews and such.

>>722310799
Hey. If I'm wrong, than good for us! Nothing to worry about right? Cause we will be able to see the next rock hitting us and we are already prepared to stop it.
*theme song from movie Armageddon comes on*

>>722310799
I didn't claim conspiracy, cover up or illuminati or Area 51. You did

>>722303720
How do you explain people had a nuclear weapon and yet had no electricity or technology based on electricity ? It is pretty clear that once you know how a nuclear weapon works you surely know about electricity and current

>>722303720

You're retarded.

>What is carbon dating?

>>722311094
Laws were made to be broken. Ask Trump

>>722312024
I'm not claiming that meteorites didn't hit the earth - they did. I'd followed the post chain up the links and this was the guy I was after as it's full of innuendo, implication and shit.

>What is interesting is that a metallic analysis of the "meteorite" fragments from that area gives results that are remarkably similar to and consistent with various current, modern alloys used in the nuclear industry to house and contain radioactive materials.

>>722311832
kek, do you even realize how many research projects are proposed each year, as in research to learn stuff we as humans do not know? Of course not, science is a process not a collection of knowledge and absolutely no scientist has claimed we know everything about any thing, it's literally built into the scientific process that if new evidence refutes previous theories then the previous theories must be modified to accommodate the new info or be discarded. Only lay-people say that scientists (or science) claims to know everything. Also the amount of the sky under constant observation is miniscule, and only observing away from the Sun, hence why there are plans for more telescopes and satellites to observe more of the sky and apparently a budget has been passed in the US to work on preventative measures for Earth impacts.

I find your derision of peer-review confusing. Peer-review prevents bigoted and fallacious ideas from being touted as truth without being challenge. This is why we leave explaining science to lay-people to public schools and celebrity-scientists on TV.

>>722312075
I know you didn't. I was being sarcastic.

The fact you didn't understand that is more evidence that you're a credulous simpleton who should not be taken seriously. So I didn't.

>>722312498
Hey it's all good man. You're right and I'm wrong. Next time a rock is going to hit earth, it'll all be taken care of.

>>722312498
>science is a process not a collection of knowledge
Validating my point. Next time earth is hit my a rock I'll remeber the process that didn't stop it.

>>722312539
Oh sarcasm is ok for peer reviewing science now. Good to know. Enjoy

>>722312539
It's not a fact without a peer review of scientists, so you are wrong. Make any assumption you want. I'm good now that everything is going to be fine when we see every single rock that's going to hit earth and be able to stop it. Still not seeing my point?

>>722312763
>The next time a crime is committed I'll remember the laws that didn't stop it.
>The next time someone gets injured I'll remember the hospitals that didn't stop it.
>The next time someone eats under-cooked food I'll remember the recipe that didn't stop it.
>The next time someone can't do a push up I'll remember the gym that didn't stop it.

Wow, you've gone full retard. Also stop samefagging so much you troglodyte.
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