I was sent this on facebook. Does this accurately represent

>its a "atheist shames christians for not following a book he himself doesn't believe in" episode
Man, I'm tired of these reruns

>>722198578
Is there something wrong with that? People constanlty complain about islam but I don't think there are many muslims on this website.

Is it Christian to believe other people should pay for shit they don't want/need?

>>722198578
There is literally nothing wrong with that. That isn't even exclusive to atheists.

>>722198334
No. Poor people recieve plenty. They would get more if government weren't a middle man to take a piece of it. I know I'd give more if I didn't lose half my money to various taxes.

>>722198334
Yes, every meme you see on the internet is 100% true.

>>722200191
As in food?

>>722200191
Matthew 19:21” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

>>722200354
It is wrong when the shit they spew is inaccurate. I've never been to a church that didn't have a food bank.

>>722200362
Holy shit how American can you be?

>>722200547
L2Context
He was speaking to a specific individual in a specific situation there.

>>722200547
That's only symbolic

>>722200362
That is a modern political statement having nothing to do with Christ's teachings. You're being secular when you should be faithful. I'll be praying for you.

>>722200603
Enough to know I'm taxed enough and work hard so 47% of the country can sit around and contribute nothing to the federal pot yet reap all of the benefits.

>>722200626
>no, when he said that he didn't actually mean it, he actually said about how we SHOULDN'T give to the poor i'm not making this up I swear

>>722200647
>implying you can't be both
In my peraonal life, I'm faithful. When it comes to the law, I separate chruch from state.

>>722200627
Proverbs 28:27 “Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.”

>>722200825
that's not literal

>>722200808
Nope. That's not even close to what the scripture or my post was about. Your double digit IQ is showing

>>722200627
thats what people say when they want to ignore the parts of their religion they don't like. the slavery part was only symbolic right?

>>722200860
Hebrews 13:16 And do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased.

>>722200910
no, it was the jews

>>722200996
I can't do good if the governement keeps stealing my shit

>>722200627
>>722200626
>he didn't mean everyone guys!
Matthew 19:24: Again, I tell you it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than a rich man to enter heaven

>>722201015
???
jessus endorsed the old testament and all the slavery in it. you can't say it doesn't count, that's your holy book. or you are admitting that you ignore the parts that you don't like and selectively believe in the parts you like

>>722200362
So you're saying you'd give the money you pay in your taxes to charity if you had the chance? And most Americans, especially the rich ones, would follow? Somehow I debut that.

>>722200547
Did Jesus use force to make him do that, or did he leave it as an option?

>>722200627

How is it symbolic if he also says that rich can't get to heaven?

>>722201203
Jesus never used force. He's saying f you want to WWJD then give up your things and follow his way.

>>722201203
If left as an option you shit heads would accomplish nothing.

>>722201189
>debut
Debut it all you want you illiterate monkey

>>722201203
he said it's what good Christians do. The bible also said it's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven

>>722201329
>man I sure am glad that guy had a typo, now I don't have to listen to him.

>>722201203
>use force
Why are Amerifllaps so dramatic about taxes?
Also, Americans frequently "use force" to enforce one religion over another. I don't think I have to point at any particular event.
>inb4 it's not a ban

>>722201329
My point stands.

>>722201297
But if we're playing wwjd then Jesus wouldn't want to force anybody else to do what they don't want

>>722201297
And that you're going to hell if you don't.

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>>722198334
Thats Rick Perry!
Yes the first line is one of his actual quotes. The rest is obviously trolling, but still remains true.
This is the man that replaced a nuclear physicist as the Secretary of Energy. A man that once said he would "Shut down the department of Energy, Education, and Commerce."
Yes, Americans are this dumb.

>>722201557
>I don't want to actually make a change in the world, I just pretend I do so God likes me

>>722201557
Whose forcing anyone to do anything? Jesus preached, as do his believers. If you call yourself Christian, then you should follow his teachings. Otherwise you're a hypocrite and they don't get into heaven

>>722201435
Would you be okay with someone taking 40 percent of your money if everyone else said it was the right thing to do?

>>722200548
>I've never been to a church that didn't have a food bank.
It's about "christian" politicians though, not churches themseves.
Also, Polish guy here, I've never seen a church that had a food bank.

>>722201833
America could get rid of government if people weren't so greedy.

>>722201557

Give to emperor what belongs to the emperor and to God what belongs to God.

>>722201833
>that analogy
Mine specifically would be unfair, if everyone got that treatment and it went to a cause (like running a country) then I wouldn't mind it at all you Americunt.

>>722201611
Hell is just the absence of god. You're in hell as we speak if you don't have god in your heart. Dying and going to hell just means that after you die, nothing changes, and you still suffer. Life is hell, the world is hell, to escape it you must fill your heart with love.

>>722201810
Entitlement programs are funded through the US treasury. Taken through taxation, which you are forced to pay

>>722201690
THIS dumb?!

>>722201833

Would it be ok to some one build me roads, guard my security and health and then me just use all that shit without paying anything?

>>722198578
Oh no atheists aren't necessarily following christs teachings just like the people that call themselves Christians so they're just as bad

kys

>>722201951
Well this is why we have separate nations. Not everyone can be as awesome as the US

>>722198578
You must be new here.

>>722202000
So? It's just money, and money has no value if you truly value god.

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>>722202000
>tfw you have to pay taxes

>>722200626
This. It was about that particular man's attachment to his wealth. Though early Christians did tend to sell a lot of shit and have a more communal perspective.

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>>722201435
the right wing in this country is crazy about taxes, sold out completely to corporations and billionaires. and the billionaires shit out propaganda on fox news that has genuinely convinced poor conservatives that low taxes on the rich and deregulation are good for them

>>722202140
Not an arugument. At least admit that analogy is shit.

>>722202051
That's local, you moron. Not federal

>>722202214
>cuz I said so
K, idiot

>>722201081
Again, because the rich tend to be prone to avarice, there's nothing spiritually wrong with possessing the element gold, but rather being attached to this possession.

>>722202163
Yes because god gives you food and a roof over your head.

>>722198334
Posted by some fuckwit who thinks having the state seize other people's property and give it to your favorite pet constituencies is "charity."

I cannot understand why leftists all think they're so fucking brilliant.

>>722201158
>Jesus endorsed slavery
Not actually true, is it? Despite the "one iota" line, Jesus was a reformer, especially in regards to social egalitarianism. If the iota verse is he only verse that matters, we have to ignore a lot of other shit, like the vision of the unclean animals. See: progressive revelation

>>722202178
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's

>>722202452

Is the taxation the proplem there or just how the tax money is used?

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>>722201690
Ever wonder why so many Republicans ran in 2016??
>Citizens United allowed legal limitless campaign contributions, declaring money is equal to free speech. If you don't got money, well your voice just isn't loud enough. This is the list of the biggest candidates that profited off this ruling:

Govs. Chris Christie of New Jersey and John Kasich of Ohio, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, former CEO Carly Fiorina and former Govs. Rick Perry of Texas and Mike Huckabee of Arkansas.

Yep, drain the swamp....

>>722201991
Hell is an amalgamation of Sheol, Gehenna, Tartarus, Hades, and Dante

>>722200732
>American education
The tax dollars that corporations weasel out of paying amounts to way more than whatever amount of money you think the poors and the Mexicans are draining from the system

>>722202525
jesus said that the old testament is the word of god, and never corrected the slavery bits, so I don't really see how someone could disagree than jesus endorsed slavery.

if i was jesus correcting that bit and the killing non-christians bits of the old testament. and a bunch of others. did you know that the old testament said abortion is ok if your wife cheats on you?

>>722200547
This is contextual. And this is about an apostle. This isn't in reference to everyday Christians for everyday life. He didn't preach to the common people to sell what they have and wander the earth. This was a specific person who Christ chose to follow him.

Nothing in the bible states that man should give everything they have to the poor. Then the poor would have to turn around and do the same thing and this would be an endless fruitless cycle. Even the bible has reverence for kings. Everyone and everything has a place in this world and the rich have their place. Favor or not, everyone has their own trials and tribulations and believe it or not the rich often have more trials than the poor.

>>722202700
>he didn't campaign against slavery (that we know of) so that means he endorsed it
Shit logic

>>722202789
he said it's the word of god. that's a lot stronger than just endorsing it, that means if you're a christian you should take it as infallible truth

>>722202735
It wasn't said to an apostle just a dude in the crowd. This part of the same chapter is just for the truly dedicated though:
>11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

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>>722201690
>>722202615
But don't worry! Their prayers are with us.

>>722202735

>Luke 3:10-11
>10 And the multitudes asked him, saying, What then must we do?
>11 And he answered and said unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath food, let him do likewise.

>>722202936
So explain the vision of the unclean animals.

>>722203014
Notice Jesus didn't say give away both your coats

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>>722202979
We are all on God's path anon.

Just accept him, join the herd.

>>722200191
I gotta pay for the wall that I don't want because Trumptards are frightened of people who want to mow grass. So Trumptards are all commies..

>>722202735
>if everyone gave to the poor then the poor would have to turn around and give it back!
>it would be some endless loop of charity!
That's the point brother. You have wealth that another child of God could use, give unto him, and ease his suffering, so that he can do the same. If everyone followed the teachings of Christ properly, and without selfishness, then there would be no need or use for wealth, and it could be given away freely.

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>>722202979
Found the mong

>>722203023
i dont know what that is but i'll bet it's a bullshit rationalization about how the old testament doesn't count

why would the law written by god change between the new and the old testament? If they are supposed to infallible truth? Did god change his mind about the laws on morality?

>>722198334
>Does this accurately represent usa politics?

No, because it's called separation of church and state. Besides, a lot of our founding fathers were not Christian.

This is the reason why mike huckabee didn't become president, because he doesn't understand separation of Church and state. Most religious politics exist in the south, and that's slowly but surely changing.

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>>722200626
>when Christfags bitch about "context"

watch this, mind cuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7uZFf5o

>>722203014
You can quote the Bible all you want, if people who are being used by a terror organization to smuggle terrorists into countries want into my country, it's either hardcore vetting or get fucked. I protect my own here first.

>>722203071

True. But if you have a fuck-ton of coats you would be giving most of it away. In the end you would have the bare minumum you need to get by and you would be one of the poors.

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>>722203303
>mfw when the us had hardcore vetting all along

>>722203265
>I don't know the basics of the shit I'm arguing but I bet ur wrong

>>722201690

So people who are rich don't understand or have heart for the poor? One of the dumbest pics I've ever seen.

>>722203163
I have to deal with faggots like you taking my money and giving it to other people because muh extortion for healthcare

>>722203303
It's sad that the words of the Bible hold no importance to you, but in time I believe that you will come to understand it's wisdom

>>722203389
lol dummy you lose god is dead

>>722203265
Jesus new covenant over ruled the mosaic covenant you ignorant fuck

>>722203357

Not the guy you're replying to, but using that pic makes you an auto faggot. Feg

>>722203409
How about both you fags learn to live in a world where taxes exist and stop whining?

>>722200004
Woah you're retarded. They don't talk about the teachings of islam.

>>722202337
>being attached to this possession.
Something like, say, refusing to pay taxes at the expense of the poor.

>>722203409
Why don't you have compassion for the health of others?

>>722203434
It's sad that the words of Harry Potter hold no importance to you, but in time I believe that you will come to understand it's wisdom

>>722203357
Hardcore as in they aren't allowed in regardless. We can send them to Mexico. Or Canada for that matter.

>>722203531
Jesus explicitly told his followers to pay taxes so not sure what you're on about

>>722198334

>forgiveness

Sentences end.

>charity

Obama removed tax cuts for charitable donations. Conservatives and Christians are #1 for charity.

>selling everything you have

To whom? Why?

>>722203533
I have read Harry Potter and I do value them. Loved reading those books as I grew up.

>>722203481
bullshit rationalization just like I thought. Your morally disgusting holy book said slavery is okay and you changed the rules

>>722203409
Yeah, good thing we're on the ACA amirite? Fuk obamer! Glass sandniggers!

>>722203303
What about the terrorists that were born here? The ones that have a body count on American soil? The ones shooting up schools and theaters and clubs?

You know, the white ones.

>>722203491
How about you kill yourself and stop justifying armed robbery faggot

>>722203400
There are definitely a few cases of poor making it to the 1%. VERY few, and ironically most are immigrants.
Just like the wealthy liberals, they have the heart to give, but no... as a whole they completely don't understand the working class struggle one bit.

>>722203629
>still hasn't explained the BIBLICAL vision of the unclean animals
>doesn't even know what it is
>thinks his opinion on this topic isn't uninformed rubbish
kek

>>722203481
According to Paul interpreting his own dreams, but not according to Jesus while he was still alive.
Shit is bullshit and shit, yo.

>>722203657
How about you live in a world without roads, schools, or a military

>>722203532
Because the health of others is not my issue, I have my own problems to take care of, I don't want help from others without directly asking for it, and I don't expect people to give me help unless they freely choose to. I don't want people to be forced to pay for something that will have no effect on them, your money is yours, mine is mine. Why do you have a right to money I worked to earn?

>>722203657
If you want to be part of the club you gotta pay the dues.

>>722203717
i looked it up
so you're fully willing to acknowledge that your holy book is wrong in parts, but still believe it's the word of god??? And you still think you have any intellectual integrity??

>>722203749
I thought the Bible was the word of god? Suddenly the parts you don't like are just shit made up by the authors?

>>722203848
I'm not a Christian, I just understand this topic. Jesus was a religious reformer, end of story.

>>722203285
This is realistic as fuck.

>>722203638
The same thing that would happen to external terrorists, we kill them. If one can so wontonly take human life they don't deserve life

>>722203593
Kind of.
He said "render unto caesar that which is caesars", which could be taken the other way if you don't believe that the money you've earned *is* caesars rightful property.
He knew they were trying to trick him into either contradicting himself or saying that people shouldn't pay taxes (which would have given them an excuse to arrest him) so he said something very careful that could be taken either way.

>>722198334
the
>I can get moral high ground and you cannot accuse me of being inconsistent, because i have no holy book to follow and I change my own principles at any time

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>>722203409
> triggered

U sound mad.

>>722203676
>as a whole they completely don't understand the working class struggle one bit.

Gonna need a citation for that.

One of Trump's number one goals is to help the poor in America by providing more jobs. The poor has to help themselves when helped. A lot of poor people don't care to.

>There are definitely a few cases of poor making it to the 1%. VERY few, and ironically most are immigrants.

This is because, according to studies (look them up yourself), most people aren't that concerned with money. People who are rich make it their life to make tons of money. If poor people generally have shelter, food, and family, they don't really concern themselves with becoming apart of the 1%. They're sedated.

>>722203595
Tax cuts for charitable donations is literally a scam. The way it works in the real world is a "charitable organization" is set up by a corporation. That corporation pours all of its would-be tax dollars into it's own charity and pays out some small percentage to their stated cause. The rest is basically tax-free profit.

Still in favor?

>>722203926
he did a shitty job by not denouncing the slavery and killing non-christians bits

>>722200732
Holy fuck when did we jump from 5% to 47% unemployment in the last two months?

>>722203813
Because we're all in the same boat my brother. Your problems are my problems and my problems are yours, even if we are not aware of it. If you suffer, that causes further ripples of suffering that spread out and effect others. If we worked together, we could help alieviate that suffering for both of us, and others besides.

>>722198578
uh, that's not what it is at all.

>>722203970
He was holding a coin with caesars fucking face on it when he said it, and followed "and give god what is god's", pretty clear what he meant in context

>>722203409
The ACA was formed because of healthcare costs rising alarmingly fast. They had 2 options:
>Make the ACA
>Or start setting aside government funds to cover the costs of unpaid hospital bills.

Either way, we were going to pay for it.

Now to look at the real problem. Health insurance. They gotta go. Instead of trying to fight the insurance companies, we forced ourselves to buy from them. Absolute disaster.

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>>722198334
The so-called Left is actually two standard deviations right of center and the self-righteous Right is noisy and shockingly undereducated. They are all selfish to a fault. They maintain their inflationary economy by constant overseas warfare. This is an empire in decay.

>>722204006

>One of Trump's number one goals is to help the poor in America by providing more jobs

bullshit, and fuck you for buying into it.

you know what happens when the unemployed work? they mak emoney for people like trump.

the bigger the workforce they employ is, the more profit they make.

trump may say he wants to get people back into work, but thats just so he and his friends can make more money.

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>>722204060
He told the parable of the Good Samaritan. Talked to the Samaritan woman at the well. Healed the centurion's servant. Anyone who has read the gospels can see he doesn't care if you're a member of his sect or ethnicity.

Also Christians didn't exist yet so I doubt the OT says anything about killing non-Christians, as that group would have included literally everyone including Moses

>>722203773
Well seeing as taxes aren't needed for any of those, I'm not sure why I should have to dumb fuck

>>722204379
Name a country that has all of those things but doesn't levy taxes. Just one.

>>722203595
>selling everything you have
>To whom? Why?
to whoever will buy it
to give the money to the needy
Jesus advocated doing away with all worldly possessions as a means of freeing yourself from worldly bonds, etc etc.

>>722198334

Not really, because there are incentives for charity. Also its not the job of the government to forgive people or enforce forgiveness. And I don't know whats up with the "selling everything" part, that makes no sense at all. Government can't force people to do that with law.

>>722203966
Your mental gymnastics are impressive, but the point I implied remains, there are very few attacks carried out by foreigners in the US and their body count on US soil is dwarfed by domestic terrorists with Christen ideals. Whatever garbage policy you're backing in the name of terror has no basis in reality.

>>722204312
the OT says kill people in your city who don't follow the lord, which muslims would use to mean non-muslims, christians would use to mean, non-christians, and jews would use to mean non-jews.

yeah jesus had some good stories i like the left wing shit it's pretty good, but it's all contradictory nonsense that should not be taken seriously

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>>722204006
And that is the ruling class goal..
Let them have their cheap goods, cheeseburgers and video games. they won't have much to complain about.
Toss in a 2 party system for them to argue amongst themselves and the politicians can do what they want, funded by the wealthy elite.

You can call it what you like... whether they understand the working class or not, what they are trying to do is the same thing the communists were trying to do
>Impose their ideals onto the masses
They want to shape the country in their image, why else would a billionaire run for office? To influence their idea of Eutopia.
This is what ruins nations.

>>722204472
Not him.
Somalia.

>>722203481
>mosaic covenant
I think they call that "corn smut" in the Bible Belt.

>>722202653
Except

NOT!

Never understood why christian are literally the most against following their own moral code while atheist do it all the time.

Jesus was a liberal for fucks sake

>>722203593
Nah, he said "render under Caesar" as a set-up to justify making those poor bastards pay yet another ten percent to him. Remember he was as clever a Jew as you'll find and very good at talking people out of their money.

>>722203857
You'll find that's true anytime an idea has been committed to writing.

>>722204748
From their tax returns, every election until now showed rather clearly that the Republican candidate gave far more to charity than the Democrat. Republicans also attend church at vastly higher rates and give there. The big difference is Democrats don't want to be charitable with their own money, they want the government to do it for them.

>>722204940
>"render under Caesar"
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's".
Basically if Caesar wants his coins back you have to give them to him.

>>722203481
and what did Jesus endorse?
and wouldn't change a word of?

>>722204748
Because being in a circle jerk makes them think they're morally justified to do whatever.
Notice how they do follow the rules that don't actually require them to make a sacrifice themselves, like hating gays and hanging crosses in their houses.
That's because they want to feel superior, and if you if fact don't mind homosexuals and wish them the best of luck in their lives, you are a sinner and therefore worse.
So whatever it is they do, be it cutting help for the poor or going to war, they will always feel superior to everyone else because they're just so damn moral.

>>722204733
Except yes. The original concept of the afterlife in Judaism was Sheol- basically just the boring grave where the unjust and the just alike were sent. Then, as Jews interacted with the Hellenistic world, Sheol began to split into more and less favorable sections, like Hades. The Bosom of Abraham was for the good guys, Gehenna (named after a burning trash pit outside of Jerusalem) was for the unjust. This split eventually lead to the heaven/hell dichotomy we have today.

>>722205118
Right, American money is the property of the federal government too. That's why you get in trouble for defacing or destroying bills.

>>722205113
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>722205113
Define "charity" because if churches count then we the statistics might be weight unfairly against atheists and alike.

>>722205113
I wonder how much of that money found its way towards the mission statement and how much was laundered

>>722205156
>implying everything in the OT is the law, rather than the law being one part of the OT.

>>722200362
History proves otherwise. The gilded age was shit for poor people.

>>722198334
Christ's teaching is giving your own money to the poor, not the money of others.

>>722202735
This, my friends, is an American Christfag.

>>722205384
>Semantics

>>722205350
Cherry picking detected.

>>722205156
>6 But now Jesus has obtained a superior ministry, since the covenant that he mediates is also better and is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. 8 For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.

>>722205471
Is the difference between charity and robbery just semantics?

>>722204252
Amen brother
It was the same with Obama....
Yeah sure unemployment went down.
The real problem remains, wealth inequality.

I love how the right likes to think "Taxation is theft" and "redistribution of wealth." Yet they can't even comprehend how capitalism is a much greater redistribution of wealth. When you accept a wage based on a "free market" you are the sucker. The free market is for goods, not human sustenance. In a time of rapidly growing population and an anti-science administration... that is a very dangerous pairing, the price of our ass will only go down.

>>722203857
>the parts you don't like
The only parts I *do* like are Leviticus 19:27, 2 Kings 2:23-24, and Ezekiel 23:20

>>722205540
Says the guy who keeps parroting a single verse and ignoring anything to he contrary

>>722205222
These are all just tools to explain suffering however. Hell is suffering. The path of Jesus is a way to escape that suffering. And I don't mean in an intangible metaphysical way. Hell exists right here on earth in our own lives. There are so many detailed depictions of hell, inventive in their tortures, because we can understand that. Heaven by contrast is much less well visualized, because it is the absence of what we experience on a daily basis.

>>722205565
Is Robin Hood a hero or a villain?

>>722201297
He did, actually, use force just one time. To kick people out of the temple who were using their religion to profit off the poor.

HMMMM.

>>722205118
>Damn that autocorrect.

So he thought the caesar should get all the solidi and his dad should get only the prutot? Yeah, that makes sense.

>>722205682
Robin Hood stole from the government and gave to the people. Socialists inflate the government by taking money away from the people.

>>722205604
Global genocide by water?

>>722205565
>robbery
Ameriflap detected

>>722205764
>being this close to understanding

>>722205657
From suffering god created in the first place.

>>722205677
Those weren't real christans

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>>722204252

Yawn. And stay mad.

>>722204596
>They want to shape the country in their image, why else would a billionaire run for office?

You're a mentally inept retard. Of course that's their goal.

They run for office. Sell their vision, and if the voters buy into, the voters elect the person. And most people like Trump's vision, you fucking moron, which is why they voted for and support him.

Damn you're stupid. >>722204603

>>722205573
>Amen brother

Kill yourself.

>>722205677
>anonymous
Read: written by a white kid in 2009

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I can sum up American politics with a better picture.

>>722205937
You're right, they had actual morals.

>>722202339
The Lord gave, and then the lord hath taken away. Blessed be the name of the lord.

>>722203657
You don't HAVE to pay taxes, you know?
Nobody is forcing you to be an American citizen or live in the USA.

>>722205922
Man created suffering by disobeying the will of God an attempting to assert his will in the world selfishly. And we continue to cause suffering for ourselves in our individual lives in just the same way.

>>722205764
I bet if we took the corporations off of welfare you'd never notice social programs in your taxes

>>722205922
Suffering is just what happens when people use their free will to turn away from god.

>>722205682
The difference between treason and patriotism is only a matter of dates.
–Alexandre Dumas

It's what I want to mean.
–/pol/troon

>>722200548
Nice anecdotal argument you've got there, christcuck.

>>722198334
>Does this accurately represent usa politics?
not just politics, but it reflects the elitist attitudes of the 5%, and the 40% who want to be like them.
america is the shithole of the moral morass that is behind 90% of the world's problems, and this "attitude" that you have presented is actually the mantra of the privileged few that run the country.

anybody that wants to send a few nukes that way is welcome to, just please watch your aim. there are innocents close by.

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>>722204596

About that pic.

People like you clown Trump for that, but most people lack the intelligence to turn a million into a billion. And you're hating on trump for that? Hating on Trump because his dad assisted him?

Hating on Trump because he took a million and made it into a billion, which is very difficult, and you think that was easy?

Morons. You idiots just didn't get what Trump was trying to convey. Most people would blow through a million within a decade or less and wouldn't have a pot to piss in.

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>>722206175

>>722206175
>bad things only happen to bad people
Sure buddy.

>>722206138
>"You can always leave!"
>except for literally any of the practicalities of that statement

>>722206150
No, God punished Man with suffereing for disobeying the will of God when a woman made out of a rib was tricked into eating a magic apple by a talking snake.

>>722206307
Sure, if you believe the Genesis story literally, then you're left with a magical tale with no relevance in our lives.

>>722203575
That's not vetting you retard

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>>722203657
>armed robbery
Americans continue to amaze me

>>722206434
>it's only symbolic you guys

>>722200476
op's is, your average christian is a hypocritical unthinking d-bag.
if the irs would enforce the law most churches would lose tax exempt status

>>722206206
>keeping the poor from starving is treason

Swing and a miss. Good refutation for Robin Hood, but it fails to apply to the larger conversion. Gold star for effort

>>722206503
>everything is literal you guys
Regardless of how the ancients saw it, the modern (catholic) church is totally fine with a non-literal reading of genesis.

>>722206267
Not what I mean at all! It's true that random events happen, and sometimes people get hurt by them. But that is the price of having random events, if. I random events ever harmed anyone then they wouldn't really be random. If the universe was devoid of randomness, then it would just be god playing with sock puppets. It's true we might feel sad if a boulder crushes our friend, but there is no malice in the boulder, and in time we will see our friend again. We only truly suffer at the loss of others because we do not realize that no one is ever truly gone.

>>722200548
a ham and three cans of hominy grits isnt a food bank

no one in any party is saying get rid of charity, and giving to the poor.. what is being said by the conservatives (my party) is get rid of FORCED charity and FORCED giving. let people give on their own.. dont force them

>>722206434
So...the parts you like are literal and the parts that don't make sense to you are all metaphors?

>>722206671
Conservatives aren't a party per se

>>722206671
But then nobody does, and the needy suffer at their selfishness. Is it really any surprise that a person who is normally empowered to collect money for the benefit of the Union would disperse it towards those who need it?

>>722206761
I don't care if it's all fiction, it's only useful to me as insights into human nature, the mythological aspects are just interesting from an academic perspective.

>>722198334
socialism and communism makes real charity difficult to impossible

it isn't charity if you take money out of someone else's pocket to give to the poor

>>722205967
Well thats the point of the thread... how dumb are americans. but yeah you are not wrong.
Lets go white nationalist eutopia! It might work this time!

>>722206930
As I get older I realize Religion was for Children and women.

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>>722207064
>Lets go white nationalist eutopia!

Yeah, because that's what Trump and all of his supporters are going for.

Fail.

You're not worth the read henceforth. Go outside and get some fresh air, because your oxygen deprived, mentally inept brain needs it.

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>>722207064
>Lets go white nationalist eutopia!

>implying that's a bad thing

I only mingle with Asians. Arabs, Hispanics, and Niggers can fuck right the fuck off.

>>722207342
>christian

>>722207251
to
>>722207342
Yes that is what the want cunt.

>>722206263
He didnt get a billion until well after he inherited the other 200 million.
Also at the time, 1 million was equivalent to about 7 million. In his 20s...
Yeah I would say that definitely gives him a skewed idea of a working class.
Not going to disagree that millions would piss it away, but you can't deny there are plenty of people that could have done much better. You are also avoiding the argument of, WTF people don't just get handed that in life. He doesn't know the struggle.

>>722205937
you mean True Scotsmen?...

>>722207251
I see you don't know who steve bannon is... Hes the openly nationalistic old white conspiracy theorist guiding trumps hand.

ITT: People post Bible verses about giving to the poor, and Conservative Christfags claim it's all symbolic or out of context.

>>722207421
OOPS forgot that. Thanks brother. DUES VULT

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>>722207452
>He didnt get a billion until well after he inherited the other 200 million.

Yawn. At his rate, he would eventually have made a billion. You have no point.

>Also at the time, 1 million was equivalent to about 7 million. In his 20s...

Which he made into a billion. You have no point here either.

>Yeah I would say that definitely gives him a skewed idea of a working class.

Because you conducted a meta analysis study on the way Trump thinks. You're an expert on Trump's mind. K. And fail.

>but you can't deny there are plenty of people that could have done much better.

Considering the amount of billionaires in the world, no, there aren't "plenty of people" that could of outwitted Trump. You moron.

>He doesn't know the struggle.
>making assumptions

Before you convey your utter stupidity any further, just stop.

>>722207691
The british doesn't mean scottish stupid.

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>>722207704

Let's say that you're statement is a fact. Good.

>>722207797
How can a mortal man claim to know the will of God?

>>722207807
You contradicted yourself in the first 2 lines... good game. Again, the billion came well after the 200 million being handed to him.
Nope. Im actually rich myself, in a big wealthy white family. They all don't understand reality, and think trump will help them get richer.

>>722198334
Any laws made that can be identified as religious will be struck down by the Supreme Court as unconstitutional. The end.

>>722207807
The point is that he didn't out whit anyone... he was handed millions of dollars.
His struggle was trying to sleep at night knowing he has been cheapening deals and ripping people off.

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>>722207914
need some OCP up in there

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>>722208041
>Im actually rich myself, in a big wealthy white family.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>722208180
>out whit

>The point is that he didn't out whit anyone

Yeah, because if that were true, he wouldn't have become a wealthy business man. You gotta know how to come out on top during when a making a deal, idiot.

>>722207914
>Implying the poor wont eventually figure out they have nothing more to steal from each other?
How long before they come knocking on your door anon.

>>722208371
Well as long as you admit to voting for a professional snake oil salesman.. that speaks more than the majority of your kind.

>>722206671
But the same conservative party preaches Christianity and the USA being a Christian nation. The Christians have obviously not taken care of the poor. So the government has to step in. Then the conservatives blame the war on Christians as to why nothing gets done. That's what makes no sense.

>>722198334
christianity was just good publicity, but we don't need that shit anymore. Now that we got it in the bag we can do whatever the fuck we want and all anyone else can do is whine and get arrested. Women get back to your kitchens, foreigners get the fuck out. Minorities be thankful we tolerate you. Christians, thanks for letting us borrow jesus.

>>722207914
>Springfield
>117,000 people

>Laredo
>236,000 people

>Detroit
>700,000 people

One one these things is not like the others

>>722208041
In NYC real estate development circles, the only thing that Trump has going for him are a squad of bulldog lawyers who get paid win or lose.

There are many real estate investment firms that haven't taken his call in 20 years, and will never do so because it always turns into a shitshow.

Source: me, been doing REIT analysis at TIAA-CREF for 10 years.

>>722208855

>per 100,000

Kek, he doesn't know what per-capita is...

>>722209014
>doesn't understand the effect population has on per capita crime

>>722208534
>professional snake oil salesman
ah yes, the archaic term for politicians.
spin doctors are what they call the apprentice branch of this profession

>>722209179

Enjoy.

The cities with populations over 200,000 ranked as the most dangerous:

1) Detroit, MI - Mayor Mike Duggan - DEMOCRAT
2) Oakland, CA - Mayor Jean Quan - DEMOCRAT
3) Memphis, TN - Mayor A C Wharton - DEMOCRAT
4) St. Louis, MO - Mayor Francis G. Slay - DEMOCRAT
5) Cleveland, OH - Mayor Frank G. Jackson - DEMOCRAT
6) Baltimore, MD - Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake - DEMOCRAT
7) Milwaukee, WI - Mayor Tom Barrett - DEMOCRAT
8) Birmingham, AL - Mayor William A. Bell - DEMOCRAT
9) Newark, NJ - Mayor Ras Baraka - DEMOCRAT
10) Kansas City, MO - Mayor Sly James - Independent (but probably a DEMOCRAT)

Top ten cities with the highest poverty rate:

1) Detroit, MI hasn’t elected a Republican mayor since 1961
2) Buffalo, NY hasn’t elected one since 1954
3) Cincinnati, OH… since 1984
4) Cleveland, OH… since 1989
5) Miami, FL has never had a Republican Mayor
6) St. Louis, MO…. since 1949
7) El Paso, TX has never had a Republican Mayor
8) Milwaukee, WI… since 1908
9) Philadelphia, PA… since 1952
10) Newark, NJ… since 1907

>>722204067
>He actually unironically thinks the unemployment rate is 5%

Top kek friend. Even my high school history teacher taught me that number was total bullshit in my shitty American education.

They re-classify people that are unemployed after a year or so; back in 2008 we calculated in class that the real unemployment rate was nearly triple what they report.

That doesn't count people that have just given up looking for work, but would work if they could; it doesn't count the people only working 5 hours a week, or freelance employees in severe poverty, or any other people like that. It's severely misleading.

>>722209298

this can't be true

>>722209179

>he thinks it's population

Kek.

>>722209298
>uses Google for 30 seconds to grab bulk data
>"Now make me a graphical presentation with this data supporting your point"
>"Go ahead, I'm waiting!"

>>722209604
>I don't understand exponential effects of linear functions and want to make that your problem

>>722210042

The fact is son, Democrats are the problem. Systemic poverty and dependence.

U mad?

I'm rich, BTW... does that annoy you?

>>722210259
You are right, lets just cut off all the programs and hope they don't move back to rural areas to fuck your retarded shit up.

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>>722210453
Hah this would actually be hilarious...
Trump manages to destroy the republicans iron grip on the rust belt.

>>722210453

Stop rewarding the lazy.

>>722210591

How? By walking into town and doing what, exactly? Illegal things?

Cool. Prison is probably the best place for their lazy asses.

>>722209298
>Detroit
Population 700,000

>Oakland
Population 400,000

>Memphis
Population 650,000

>St. Louis
Population 300,000

>Cleveland
Population 400,000

>Milwaukee
Population 600,000

>Birmingham
Population 200,000

>Newark
Population 250,000

>Kansas city
Population 450,000

Seems to me that large cities are disproportionately crime-ridden. Only 3 on the first list have a population that's 300,000 or less.

Obviously there's more than just that going on here, but this list doesn't seem to help whatever point you're trying to make.

In the end, Jesus taught that if you have more than anyone else, you should share it. In his perfect world, everyone would have as much as everyone else.
>that's communism.
Sucks to be you... You either believe this one tenet of communism or you're not a Christian at all.

>>722210882
Just saying if you cut programs in inner cities, they aren't going to stay there and die. Some will resort to violence and push more liberals to red states. Most will move back to farming areas or mines, etc... rust belt.
They will be the rust-belt's problem.
See how they like having their job market flooded. Would they still even vote red??

>>722210259
>I literally can't defend my point
>aren't you mad that I refuse to acknowledge that fact?

Clearly I'm bested. There's no way I can win an argument against such a rich and attractive genius like yourself.

Can I see a picture of one of your many bank accounts?

>>722209298
>>722211037
What is forgotten is that it was DEMOCRATS who BUILT these cities in the first place. And most other cities in North America. Republicans have a terrible city building track record - as do all conservatives world wide.

>>722198578
I never get tired of pointing out hypocracy, i just hate how liberal fags ate quick to fuck with christianity, then give muslims a free ride. What the fuck is that?

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>>722210259
what's your definition of "rich"

dis gonna be good

>>722211270
this

>>722211811
How often do you dedicate a post to criticizing one thing, and take the time to ensure you give equal verbiage to criticizing all other comparable things?
When everyone is talking about Christianity, I generally don't try to confuse the issue by talking about Muslims, Buddhists, Sikh, Jains, Athiests, etc.. But there's a lot of conservatives who just have to bring up Muslims in every religious discussion no matter what religion is being criticized.
>as if every discussion MUST include criticism of Islam.
kek

>>722202231
>highways
>security
>not federal
you failed social studies didn't you

>>722211270
THIS

>>722212358
The whole point to a bringing a debate to a compromise (& therefore a solution) is considering the good points your opponent has, if youre both closing your ears and singing "na na na, i can't hear you", like a bunch of retards, you'll be stuck in the same shit indefinitely. Christians are extremely political retards, but so are the Muslims, look what tolerance did to France

>>722211830
Here's a quick rundown on being rich:
>Rothschilds bow to Bogdanoffs
>In contact with aliens
>Possess psychic-like abilities
>Control france with an iron but fair fist
>Own castles & banks globally
>Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line
>Will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city)
>Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth
>First designer babies will in all likelihood be Bogdanoff babies
>Both brothers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Tibetan monasteries & Area 51
>Ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now
>The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church. Who do you think set up the meeting between the pope & the Orthodox high command (First meeting between the two organisations in over 1000 years) and arranged the Orthodox leader’s first trip to Antarctica in history literally a few days later to the Bogdanoff bunker in Wilkes land?
>They learned fluent French in under a week
>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There’s no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff
>The twins are about 7 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

>>722212492
>solid A student
Thank God for No Child Left Behind

>>722212774
Lol ya, they got shamed into changing a beauty pagent result from a white frenchu woman, to an ugly muslim

>>722212800
they aren't psychic, they just have the mono-atomic gold.

>>722212774
And you don't think the constant "I know you are, but what are they" argument is at least just a little retarded?

>>722212926
My point was the Nice attack, and the murder of a cartoonist, ffs, extremists murdered a cartoonist, and the muslims have nothing to say except: "well dont draw my god then." And people want to accept these retards into their countries? And Dubai is loaded with muslims, why havent they accepted any refugees?

>>722212774
The real question is how can we detect and respond to the very real threat of Christian extremism in the US earlier and more effectively?

Let's face it: the majority of American civilians that are killed by terrorists are killed by terrorists that were born in the US and raised into the Christian ideology.

We can't ignore this anymore, call your senator today.

>>722212800
>Great movie
>Would recommend

>>722213360
My point is if you're arguing with emotion & ignoring inconvient facts, you end up sounding like a child and an idiot. You have to be consistent, then you'll gain the ears of people from both sides. The solution never, ever comes from one of the extremists on either party. You have to go down the middle, you have to find balance, then convince the public why the extremists are retarded. Then you can make some change.

>>722213495
Thats.. retarded, dude. At any rate the problem isnt by religion as a concept. All Religion has always been a tool used by smart people to gain control over stupid people, then that person dies but unfortunately his trick lives on.
But religion is only a useful tool if there is a problem to exploit in the global society we've created.
Terrorism, i think, is just a symptom to a larger problem of inequality around the world, and of other richer / more powerful countries fucking with the weaker ones, and using their position to essentally use them. They figure it out and lash out.

It's the same case at home, when u see angsty teens who can't stand the fucked up society we live in, which is plagued by the massive inequality.

>>722214728
My point is exactly that it's retarded. This is the exact same rhetoric used to install and defend systematic discrimination, but applied to domestic terrorists instead of foreign ones.

Can't exactly call then "terrorists" though. Not since Dumb Donald demanded the CIA, FBI, and NSA reclassify terrorism to exclude white supremacists and Christian extremist groups, anyways. I bet Bannon's KKK buddies were pretty happy about that though

>>722213913
Unfortunately, your point in practice turns into a bunch of assholes who HAVE to interject some criticism of Islam even when it is inappropriate and inapropos. Meanwhile, those same assholes start whining and bellyaching whenever someone criticizes THEIR religion.

>>722215668
The whole point is to cut down a persons point on the grounds that its irrelavant because it's not a real solution... of course that may never work, because the general american population is borderline retarded, and proud of it.