Should children be allowed to consent to sex reassignment su

>>721869194
absolutely fucking not
they're children, they literally don't know shit about themselves or society
adults still struggle heavily with this decision and sometimes they wish they hadn't done it or even try to reverse it

>>721869194
It makes for better traps when they grow up so sure. I just think that there should be a lot of counseling beforehand. Not to talk them out of it but to make sure they understand the decision and the consequences.

Wait on second thought, surgery removes the feminine penis. Never mind, that decision should come much later. They can do the hormone stuff though.

>>721869194
if there is ever a child who does this then they were quite obviously brainwashed and coerced to do it by their parents, who always happen to be attention whore femenazis who use their trans kid as a social and political platform to spew further bullshit

I figure we do it the same way we do everything else about sex. Put allt hat shit in sex ed along with all the other sex stuff. Let people make up their minds from there on their own.

No sex changes. No hormone treatments. Not for anyone, not until they're 18.

If people are in a really bad way before that, let them go on hormone blockers along with the proper prescriptions to counteract the brittle bone issues when used long term. Hormone blockers can be undone, they don't sterilize you, you can get back to developing as normal if you change your mind. When you hit 18 you won't have developed male or female yet and you can make your decision then or later.

It's the same reason we don't let kids get tattoos, or plastic surgery or have sex period. They aren't done developing physically, mentally, emotionally or anything like that.

Let them become adults. Let them decide what's best for them then, whether it turns out to be right for them or a mistake or whatever. But a kid doesn't need this shit, and I worry whether it's the kid or the parents or the society around the kid that's really at play. Maybe it's not. But I want to be sure. Let the kid grow up and really put some thought into when they're an adult. Anything beyond that isn't my fucking business, consenting adults can do whatever the fuck they want, it's not my business, as long as no one is getting hurt.

>>721869914
this

Yes, children should be allowed to change their genitalia at any age if that's what makes them feel comfortable in their bodies.

>>721869194
makes for more traps and better traps so yeah why not

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>>721869194
>Child abuse
>has to be 18 to vote
>21 to drink
>9 years old to "decide their gender"
Parents should be locked up.

I'm currently in the process of knocking up a girl with a history of drug abuse (we are having a boy). When our son turns five, I will get her addicted to drugs and use it to gain full custody. I will then move to California with my son without saying anything to anyone.

Then i will begin the process of feminizing him with hormone treatments, coercion (generally treating him like a little girl, and convincing him to want to be one), and finally sissy hypnosis and cock worship therapy.

I will feed him my semen every day, massage his prostate and, most importantly, teach him to keep a secret. On his seventh birthday, after proper stretching I will deflower my little gurl and plant my seed deep in her boipucci.

Then I will have my very own shota.

You did this to me, /b/

I am your mark on the world. I am the Red Dragon

No.

Blaire White (a trannie herself) actually made a good vid on this: https://youtu.be/4gtx7OVYby0

To sum it up, at that age kids can't fully understand whether they truly want to be trans and there's a high probability that they will regret it later on.

And I find it suspicious that many of these trans children who were LGBT rights "activists" before they even became trans...

>>721869194
No and the parents should be burned alive.

>>721869194
if they can consent for that, they should be able to consent for sex...

>>721871565
saw that video too, she makes a good common sense argument and sums it up nicely

>>721871178
either b8 or actual retard

>>721871812
if children can't consent to sex then they shouldn't be able to consent to changing their sex
the reverse of this can also be true

>>721872042
science is advancing so fast we'll be able to change genders back and forth as many times as we like in 20 years

>>721869194
no

>>721872152
>if children can't consent to sex then they shouldn't be able to consent to changing their sex
>the reverse of this can also be true

exactly

>>721869914
So many authoritarian types in this thread! How about, let people determine their own path and keep daddy government out of it?

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>>721869194
>Be trans-activist
>Get trans child

Gee, that's a damn coincidence.

>pic related

>>721872837
yo u for real right now?

>>721872957
yeah he was real authoritarian the way he said consenting adults should be able to make up their own mind about things and that it wasnt his business

straight up fascist obviously

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>>721869194
Parents pushing agendas, shilling for lawsuits, or just plain mental retardation. This should be considered child abuse.

>>721869194

This thread doesn't seem to have gone too far off the deep end yet so maybe this is a good place to question something that's been on my mind lately

What's the difference between gender and sexuality.

I tend to mix up the names but think I know the definitions

One defines who you as a self aware human are romantically attracted to yes? Physically, emotionally, whatever, if I say I'm attracted to females, and I'm a male, that makes me heterosexual, but if I am a male and say that I'm attracted to males that makes me homosexual yes? And theres anything in between here, what ever the person feels/makes them comfortable, that's on them, let them live their lives with their preferences in how they present themselves and who they like

But then the other definition is biology right? What you're born with?

As humans, we are all typically born with either a penis or vagina, sure there's probably some very small cases of genetic accidents happen but we are born with 1 or 2 reproductive organs, so what's this shit I see now that people are saying they can be non binary or not one of the two, but that's what you're born with, either of the two reproductive organs, what does the whole nonbinary thing mean?

>>721872837
maybe, but that isn't currently true for us

>>721869194
Yes.

Stop telling other people what they should do. Live and let die.

/Thread

>>721873067
In so doing he's implying children should be banned from changing gender, which is imposing your will on someone because of your opinion. That's the very definition of fascist.

Yes, children should be allowed to consent to all kinds of sex related things.

>>721873272
>What's the difference between gender and sexuality.

Nothing. In my language we don't even have 2 words for it.

>>721871419

>talk to girlfriend about maybe having kids someday
>look at the current state of society and what kids will be exposed to growing up

Fuck I hope Trump does something bad enough that it'll change her mind, I don't want to raise kids in todays world

>>721873387
Live, let die, and let your neighbors abuse their kids apparently.

>>721872837
This. Rapid tissue cloning and robot surgery will enable us to be any gender or even none if we choose.

>>721873475

But you understand what I'm saying though right? The two distinctions?

You are born with one of two reproductive organs, where you stick it and who or what you stick it in or anything beyond that is up to you as you develop yes?

>>721869194
>we need smaller government!
>let's tell gays they can't marry
>let's stop people from changing their own bodies
>let's pass Christian laws that apply to everybody regardless of faith

Conservatives.

>>721873067
I thought I heard him say no hormones/surgery for parents who think their kids need it. So government controls it, not the doctor or the patient.

>>721873272
Sex is genitals, what you are born with
Gender is a social construct and related to how you see yourself and how to be perceived by others.
Sexual orientation is what you like sexually.

>>721869194
The Daily Mail is not a reputable source for anything. It is a tabloid, like the New York Post and other worthless rags.

>>721873598

While agree that conservatives are fucking retarded I'm not an advocate of child abuse either

>>721873598
Dude, I can't speak for OP, but I'm liberal as fuck. That doesn't mean you let little kids get their dicks cut off because their tranny activist parents decided that their kids "just weren't born in the right body".

If we don't think they're responsible enough to drink, drive, or sign a legal contract, why would we let them make a choice that will radically alter their entire life?

>>721873687

So what's with the whole non-binary thing? Those people still have either a penis or vagina.

I'm confused as to what they refer to.

libtards, jews, cucks

>>721873687
remember that gender is still based on sex, so no it is not a just "social construct"

The child should be removed from the patents custody ... like immediately. Better to be a ward of the state or adopted than raised by fag sjw lunatics.

>>721873398
just like children are banned from drinking liquor! fucking fascists!

>>721873687
Gender is not variable depending on your mood, faggot. Stop trying to alter reality to fit your fucked up mind.

>>721873787
I can't speak to any of that. All I'm pointing out is the irony of the people who get all worked up about this and bathroom access (etc) also claiming to want smaller government with less intrusion.

>>721873929

Not him but isn't the point that its socially constructed out of the fact that there are 2 different sex organs? Or is that what you're saying and I'm just reading it the wrong way

>>721869194
Not srs. But hormones sure.

>>721874224
I think you're pretty much following the same lines

>>721874204

But that's what gender is, it's who you are attracted to, and how you present yourself in terms of other people you want to attract

Is that wrong?

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>>721873398
>which is imposing your will on someone because of your opinion. That's the very definition of fascist.

>>721869194
idk should kids be put in to forced labor?

>>721873787
Important to note here that most of these families don't do surgery until the kid is older. Note that the oldest such surgery in the UK is 16. We are not talking about little kids getting things cut off, most parents get that the kids could change their mind.

>>721874406
meant to say youngest

This is so fucking disgusting.

This is obviously the work of mentally ill parents shoving political correctness and degeneracy down a child's throat. Children don't fucking care.

Here's a list of things kids care about
>Toys
>Ice cream
>Cartoons
>Staying up late

Being transgender is nowhere on the list of things kids care about. It actually fucking sickens me to see these stupid fucking mentally ill parents do this to their kids. They force them into this "lifestyle" and I guarantee it's single mothers.

>>721873409
this

>>721873398

They're fucking children! Their concept of free will is still being formed you mentally impaired simian, holy fuck, we don't just come out of the womb with knowledge in our heads

>>721869478
>absolutely fucking not
>they're children
>adults still struggle heavily with this decision

confused much?

>>721874476
oh look another alt-right braindead idiot. children can hate their genders too you closet minded bigot

>>721874565
Libcuck spotted

>>721869194
>can't spank your kids for being little faggots or they take your children.
>can chop off thier dicks and get called sally and get famous for it.
so progressive!

>>721869914
>Put allt hat shit in sex ed along with all the other sex stuff
Bad idea, anon. They still teach abstinence only in the south and shit. With how much propaganda and flat out lies about gender out there right now, this would be breeding ground for easy indoctrination of an entire generation into believing in PC Tumblr "if I can't hear it it isn't true" pseudo-science.

>>721869194
nein, children are unstable fuktards that tend to change their mind over the slightest thing.
You want to give the option to completely change and ruin their lives to them?

>>721874350
gender is how you present yourself based on your sex
>inb4 gender has nothing to do with sex

sexuality is who you are attracted to

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>>721874476

Nothing wrong with political correctness, just possibly your definition of PC is what you take issue with and who's to say whether on not every childs development experience is the same

I do agree that forcing kids to do things they don't completely comprehend is fucked though

There are two genders, you're born either a male or a female. You don't get to pick and choose.

>>721869194
16 years old should be the age people are considered adults

>>721874601
>Strongly implying that kids even have a figment of knowledge about such things if they are not exposed to it all the time.

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HOW TO WIN A FIGHT VS A FEMINIST:

USE THE GENDER FLUID CARD LIKE SEEN IN THE IMAGE PROVIDED

>>721872837
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say you watch DNews on YouTube. I suppose we'll have manned missions to mars and powdered alcohol within the year, right?

> life threatening surgery: explains itself. Kid wants to live, parents want kid to live. Level of seriousness is high.
> 2017 gender choice surgery: concerned humans with sanity intact will go insane trying to understand the reasoning. Parent or child or both trying to pretend they know what they want, and are willing only for the sake of a particupation trophy to something new, life changing, or even inspiring. The want vs need will be argued, even if the answer is in plain sight

When is earth ready to self nuke? We clearly dont deserve to waste precious space existing as a species given the amount of degenerates that question their own peepees

>>721874565
confused by what?
I find nothing in here that would cause or be caused by confusion except to the severely twisted logic of a liberal

>>721874657

Hmm ok, I'm still having a little trouble wrapping my mind around it but I think I understand the idea

>>721874664

Who's in denial? I'm just trying to clarify

>>721874747
not him but we already have powdered alcohol.

>>721874476
You should see the parents who forced their kids to cross-dress and march on Washington in a "transgender children march on Washington" movement. I wanted to throw up. These children being raised by these people have no future or chance in life. We all know kids are heavily involved in politics. Just like all the Twitter posts about how parents 8 year olds were so concerned with Trump winning.

>>721869194

If they can't consent to sex, then they shouldn't be able to concert to sex reassignment surgery.

/b/ is full of insecure babby. Let boy become yummy girl. Can't wait to watch trans porn when fresh girl is taking it anally and cums from the pleasure. Yummy.

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>>721869194
We don't let them drink, smoke, drive, vote or have jobs, why the fuck would we let them make a decision that will permanently fuck them up for life?

>>721874697
Muh freedom to do what i want with muh own body. Sad thing is you probably spout about the constitution and shit

>>721872837
That's fucking impossible. Sure you can create transgenders, but you aren't changing their brain structure so adding extra nerves in one place won't do shit, and with every operation more nerves will get lost till the people feel nothing more in their nether regions. They will also become incontinent.

You can have all the nano machine's that you want, the brain doesn't chance that easily when older. And giving that option to children that don't even know what gender means is just blatantly stupid.

>>721869692
This basically.

>>721874601
Children are not capable of making important life altering decisions... you stinking hairy drug abused hippy wannabe.

>>721874834
The point is, children do not care about their gender or have these politically correct views. It's mentally ill parents that force these views and decisions down their throat.

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>>721874613
lol fucking name calling

>6th grader dicktected.

ITT: Troll fest 2017 - The Baitening

>>721869194
this is great. This will definitly cause a lot of people to covert back to christianity. So if these fucks want to sacrifice thier children for this cause I guess it could be a good thing. Nobody with half a brain thinks this good for society.

>>721874865
Fucking around with your body doesn't change your gender.

>>721874815
that's not powdered alcohol that is just a powder that absorbed alcohol and is soluble in water. 100 grams of powdered alcohol only contains 47 grams of actual alcohol.

>>721869564
/thread

we don't finish development until our mid 20s
children and teens are easily influenced as well as swept up in one of the most emotional and changing times in their life
it is normal to rebel against the norm, that is just us developing that mindset to start thinking for ourselves rather than guided by our parents and peers
but that doesn't mean it makes us who we are, we still need time to learn from life experiences and reach what should be true adulthood around our mid to late 20s
this whole trans issue shouldn't be treated like some fad, like some simple being in the wrong body
it is a mental illness, doesn't mean a bad thing, just something people need to accept. it's rooted in things that happen during early child development and getting and understanding of that and talking about it can give you a deeper understanding of yourself. But that doesn't mean you should just make rash decisions based on nothing more than a feeling that will effect you for the rest of your life, especially while still developing. you may reach a point in your life you want biological children, well your screwed yourself out of something you may want more than being trans in the future.
just because someone with a dopamine inefficiency in their brain and an addiction to heroine says i need more heroine to feel good, you don't just give in and give them what they want
you tell them the hard truth, put them in rehab, and try to make them see what they are doing to themselves, you try to help them rather than just give in to whatever whim or desire they say they "need" before even thinking about the consequences

>>721872957
Agreed, we need to start selling cigarettes and beer at schools and let toddlers get car licenses.

>>721874350
Fuck you nigger, take your Tumblr redefinitions elsewhere. What possible purpose does conflating sexual orientation with gender serve?
Dick means sex is male.
Dick and liking other dicks means orientation is gay.
Thinking you're a woman in a man's body means mentally ill.
Simple, you dig?

>>721874978
Yes it does. If you have a dick youre a male, if you have a vagina youre a woman.

>>721875029
Prove equal harm and you have an argument

>>721874601
disgusting monster

>>721875030

>kneejerk tumblr blaming

Not sure if you're fitting in as hard as you want to

fuck no!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9VihbrehGc

>>721869194
my dick feels funny, why is nature so weird?!

>>721869194
18+ on gender surgery

and about 8-ish for hormones, but only if the kid wants it

>>721873929
when they say gender they mean socially defined gender roles of masculinity and femininity.

so basically at any point in time you are within that continuum, kind of like an axis on a graph. if you're "non-binary" it basically means you personally choose where exactly and for how long and with what intensity you are on that axis.

tldr: throw social roles, quantuum physics and identity philosophy into a bag and give it a good shake

>>721875052
and if you have none you are gender less.
Please anon, it's your fucking chromosomes and you can't change those things.
You can only mutilate your nether regions to just look different and completely lose all function in the process

>>721869194
Fucking recruitment. Nobody knows where they want to put their dick until they are 13.

>>721875052
No, if you're born a male you're still a male if you cut your dick off. If you try to make your dick into a vagina then you're a male with a fucked up dick.

This is why I'm scared to have children. No matter what kind of a parent I am, I'm afraid the child will turn into one of these degenerate Tumblr mental illness idiots out there claiming there's 100+ genders or protesting in the streets with purple hair.

How do I avoid this?

>>721874601
>alt right
>braindead
>closed minded
>bigot
DING DING DING! You've just won at buzzword bingo!

>>721872957
How about you quit trying to one up Hitler and stop killing babies and/or mutilate their genitals ffs.

>>721875015
What the hell is that shit? A wall of text with no punctuation or capital letters. Someone is off their meds...

>>721875165
Really? Sounds like you may have developed slowly.

>>721871533
Your going to be beaten so badly every day in prison you'll wish you treated your son right, piece of shit.

>>721875132
>only if the kid wants it
But there is the issue: Is it the kid that wants it, or the parents?

If I had a piece of garlic bread for every gender I'd have 2 pieces of garlic bread

>>721874925
So you claim...

>>721875165
That's just wrong you retard.

>>721875030
Inorite... I went to dictionary.com to check on 'gender', only to see it has been raped by sjw fags.

>>721874792
Well If adults are not sure.

How can you be sure, assuming your an adult, when adults are not sure.

If you where going to change your body in such a way. It be better to start in a time, when your body is already going through so much change.

Not don't be such a faggot and assume that I think it is OK to be making that dissension at all.

One should not try to change, what is the cards you been given to play.

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>>721875132
Jesus Christ. You can't fuck kids because "they have no agency" but you can fuck up their hormones "if they want it"

What kind liberal backwards doublethink is that shit?

>>721875103
No, this shit literally came from tumblr. Just like that "prejudice and power" horseshit. These people are playing a game that they wrote the rules to.

>>721875231
>>721875330
And believing 10 year olds have developed sexualities isn't retarded? Get a life you pederasts.

>>721875282
Well you can sit a kid down and have it talk to a therapist for a few months before you start giving it hormones

Ofc parents should not be present when the kid talks to the therapist

>>721869194
When you can consent to sex, you can consent to sex reassignment.

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No. I'm not sure how someone who's not allowed to drink is allowed to change their gender via radial, expensive, unstable procedures with rather middling, disgusting results. Trans people aren't digusting for wanting to change their gender but the output of these plastic surgeries is a travesty, what you end up with is ugly and halfway functional, mutant genitalia-like "things" which nobody should be asked to look at or touch. It's just not a good enough technology and I don't even think it should be avaliable to ANYONE let alone minors. I mean, fuck, they just give you a lump of flesh that barely looks like a dick and doesn't really get all that hard and hurts if it does. Or a hole into your body that need stints to not heal together and gets infected all the time, with a weird flappy opening that looks like a labia as remembered by a 12 year old boy who saw one accidentally a year or two ago? They're basically just stealing money from people.

>>721875132
>only if the parent wants it
FTFY.
It's no coincidence that this shit has only become a mainstream problem in the past 5 years or so. Nor can it be a coincidence the parents always happen to be SJW freaks themselves.

>>721875464
You can't give a kid a tattoo until they're 18. But you can alter their fucking biochemistry?

>>721873587
There is no distinction. You're either a XY male or an XX female. Over 98% of people feel sexual attraction to the opposite sex, the remainder feel some degree of attraction to the same or both sexes.

If you're in the minuscule percentage of people born with chromosomal abnormalities you will still have either male or female dominant traits.

If you genuinely think you're a woman in a mans body you have a mental disorder that can be treated with drugs and therapy.

>>721873261
RIP my now Soylent soaked keyboard

>>721874978
Kind of an opinion
And one i really dony care for. I would smash the fuck out of a a trans and proudly call HER my gf and then marry and adopt children with her

>>721875425
Nobody thinks kids have completely developed sexuality. But everyone knows they have SOME sexuality. Which direction is it going? Sometimes you can tell.

>>721872004
>She

>>721875464
With sufficient brainwashing it turns into the kids opinion.

If you look at the VICE ISIS documentary you can see what brainwashing does with kids.

>>721874601
If you can sit there and argue that a child is capable of making the decison to reasign gender, then they can also make the decision to consent to sex.

One of those two things is natural to every species on the planet. Guess which one you're arguing for, you fucking handwringing, bandwagon riding, clueless little prick.

>>721875386
rules?

So when the fuck does /b/ give a fuck abut rules?

>laff at the same time I type it. I guess since 2010 or 11

>>721875558

Why are you so against the idea of someone living their life the way they feel, it isn't like they are forcing you to be something you don't want to be, so why do that to them?

>>721873832
Fragile attention whores looking for oppression points by making themselves as marginalized as possible.

>>721875204
wow, what an ignorant fuck. Thanks to you i read that post and found it to be the most comprehensive and honestly thought post in the whole thread. The fact that a few dots and capital letters stop you from getting to the idea makes me sad at how autistard you are.

If you are to young to consent to sex then why do people think that these kids have the mental capability to make a decision that will change the rest of their life. Think about it, dude when I was ten I didn't know shit about myself and the world around me. It's almost like some of these kids think it's cool or hip to have a fucking sex change operation.

>>721869194
Look if we're gonna let people change their gender at eight maybe we shouldn't be changing the legal tobacco smoking age to fucking 21

>>721875583
So if the boy is a bit of a fairy we chop his dick off instead of waiting until he's more developed. Ok let's predict the future.

masculinity |------------------| femininity

gender is a spectrum. binary: you're at either extreme.
non-binary: you bounce around depending on what flavor you are

the issue of which is your identity is up to you to decide because you (should be?) allowed to decide yourself

sometimes I think it's just teenagers treating the lgbt movement like an rpg game

>>721873832
That relates to gender, which, as with all things social, is relative and subjective. Non binaries have either a penis or a vagina, but they dont want to identify as male or female, and they have all the right to do so.

The job that feminism is doing, albeit sometimes being too passionate about it, is separating (conceptually) your identity from your genitalia.

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>>721869194
Child wants to smoke:
you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are 21.

Child wants to drink alcohol:
you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are 21.

Child wants to drive a car:

you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are older.

Child wants to serve in military:
you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are 18.

Child wants to vote:
you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are 18.

Child wants have a sex change:

Sure thing little buddy, lets get you on some permanent life-changing hormones and chopt that dick off!

>>721873398
so if you stop people from fucking children you are imposing your will on someone because of your opinion, That's the very definition of fascist.

If they are old enough to consent a doctor to mutilate their genitals, they are old enough to consent to someone to use their genitals for their intended purpose

>>721874657
this is correct

>>721875133
That's just stupid. I don't wrestle bears, chop down trees, or lift on a regular basis, but that doesn't make me "non-binary". Fuck that retarded shit. Back in my day, if I wanted attention I'd just wear my hair like an emo faggot and call it a day. Nowadays, kids are using their tailor made definitions of words to give themselves some kind of identity since they lack any real personality.

>>721873475
What language is that I want to speak it

>>721875752
>Child wants to serve in military:
>you are too young to make this decision, wait til you are 18.
Wrong if you russian. Welcome to cadet corpus!

>>721875734
Nobody is saying kids should have genital surgery like this, not even in National Geographic or that British tabloid. Therapy and hormone treatments are what people do, and what they should be allowed to do.

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>>721875752
this

>>721875184
Protip: don't.
The world is shit right now, even regardless of Tumblr crap. I wouldn't want to bring some kid into this doomed trash heap if I don't have to.

>>721875647
The perverts of the world are actually forcing their fucked up mindset on the normies. For instance gay pride parades. I don't care who or what you fuck, but keep it to yourself. Also for you religious types... pride is number one on the list of seven deadly sins. Why do you suppose that is?

how about leaving that decision to daddies & moms?

>>721875600
>With sufficient brainwashing it turns into the kids opinion.

> it turns into the kids opinion.

well theres not alot you can do if the kids been brainwashed you dumb cunt
so you should just ban everyone from hormone treatment because some kids are brainwashed into thinking they want it

Also im pretty sure a skilled therapist could figure out if a kid is just parroting what their parents have told them or if the kid honestly consider themselves to be a trans

kids may be malleable but they are pretty easy to read imo

I think this sort of thing has more to do with the parents than the children. These parents want to be noticed, to be famous, just like those pageant moms. I consider this sort of behavior to be consistent with munchhausens by proxy.

>>721873832
Special snowflakes decide that they're neither male nor female, which is impossible, just because they need something to set themselves apart and gain more attention.

>>721875752
When you lay it out like that.

Hahahahaha fuck that is just to funny.

>good point

>>721875675
Triggered much, snowflake?

>>721876064

>religion

K

>>721875960
Ok so instead of chopping it we hormonally destroy it beyond repair. K cool.

>>721875306
If you pretend, you could have 2 peices of real garlic bread and 100 imaginary. Thats 102 peices thats will be recognized in every college you enter

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>>721875960
Why the fuck should it be allowed? If you're over 18 and believe you're a car and want to exchange your dick for an exhaust pipe. Fine. You're fucking crazy, but fine you're an adult.

An 8 year old has no life experience, has no idea what is and isn't good for him, has no understanding of how anything works. Kids at 8 are just starting to become inquisitive about the world, so why in the name of kek would you think they are capable of making a decision that will impact the rest of their miserable life?

>>721875752
I don't care what side you are on, this man makes an excellent point. How can people explain this away?

>>721873272
>difference between gender and sexuality.

Libcuck definition: what you feel comfortable identifying as and what you are attracted too.

Everyone else: Who you are and who you wanna fuck.

Simply subjects children before puberty have no business worrying about yet.

>>721875927
Well, in Dutch only the activists ever use gender. But they copy-paste all the issues/topics from the USA.

>>721875752
Thats the tricky part about hormone treatments

if you wait untill they are 18 so they can decide for themselves the hormones wont really have the same effect since puberty has come and gone

how about leaving that decision to daddies & moms?idiot leftists wet dream yank all children from the most effective kid rearing unit ever devised by f/a/m/o/ther gaia,

>>721875688
>Think about it, dude when I was ten I didn't know shit about myself and the world around me. It's almost like some of these kids think it's cool or hip to have a fucking sex change operation.

The only thing you knew when you were ten is that you wanted to be like the grown ups. And whats the most grown up thing you can actually do while being ten? It will get you tons of attention and special treatment too!

>>721875084
Post-op tranny suicide and self harm rates are a good place to start.

>>721876331
Put the kids on hormone blockers until they develop mentally? Luteoprolein is one

>>721875647
Not him.
He never fucking said that, you cretin. Allowing people to live "the way they want" has no bearing on the facts of it. Transgenderism isn't some normal part of human sexuality, no matter how loudly you scream it is. It is a mental illness. That's all. Whether or not you want to "let" them express themselves is a different topic. Personally I'm libertarian so don't give a shit what consenting adults do.

>>721876173
Read about hormone blockers

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>>721875084
cigarettes dont chop your dick off and call you sally.

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>>721876331
So you hormonally abuse children? Fantastic solution. A fucking +

>>721873409
Most people use consent to sex as an argument on why you shouldn't be diddling inside kids pants period you peso fuck.

>>721874350
Dick sucking faggot cunt means good person. You are a dick sucking faggot cunt. is that wrong?

>>721875309
Fucking nigger do you really think children are capable of such thoughts?

Talked to my 80 year old aunt abut this, she said it was informative.

Me because unlike most of you ficktards, I read it.

If some dude comes at you to cut of the tip of your dick, and you don't kill them. You're not a man. Fuck that sitting there and taking it. That just proves you're just someone else bitch. you just let them cut the fucking tip of your dick off.

I think they should be able to go through hormone treatment if they want. Starting before they hit puberty dramatically improves how feminine a look they'll be able to achieve, And I'd rather see that / not notice then see a fucking hairy dude in a dress. They can change their mind and their body would most likely re-calibrate I'd imagine. They should have to wait to cut their dicks off, though.

i love this idea
because i'm a out of the box-thinker
they shud be sterilized as soon as
possible and this looks like a easy
way to achive this goal

>>721874978
/thread

>>721876477
Leuprorelin*

>>721876229
Nobody is saying chop childrens' dicks off, they do hormones on young kids. The youngest surgery in UK was 16! They do hormone blockers. Also, what's the greater misery, and who's to decide? Living your life in a body you know is wrong, or trying to fix the problem and being wrong?

>>721875960
its horrendous to mess with hormones at such a young age, with completely unpredictable results regarding the rest of their childhood.
all because of a liberal fad. fuck off.

>>721876477
i guess but then you fuck up their hormones during puberty, wich probably wont end well

hormones are nessecary to growing

>>721876331
Its not tricky because gender reassignment is a bad idea and extremely unnatural (as it should be). People who want to do it are either A: mentally unstable homos B: children who don't know shit

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If children can consent to sex reassignment surgery, then they can consent to sex.

>>721876523
If kids can consent to having life-altering hormone treatment they can consent to sex, retard.

>>721875052
do you know dna? thats something you only change with radioactive in a noticable speed

>>721876499
Yeah but by the time they're consenting adults they can't become passable traps anymore, and that infringes on my right to fuck a passable trap and pretend it's not gay to do so.

>>721874670
There's a lot wrong with what is known as political correctness, are you fucking high?

>>721876503
Wait so does that mean if we block puberty and wait for them to hit 18 they can consent to sex while biologically children?

>>721873598
I'd rather hate faggots than kill babies.

Anyone who disagrees should lose the right to call themselves human.

>>721876110
>some kids
The kid from OP is already one of them. The parents were trans activists ahead of time.

Using kids for attention/personal gain is nothing new, this is the holy grail of such behavior. And I don't want to see kids used as some fucked up version of Münchhausen by proxy.

>>721876516
no sit the kid down with a therapist for a year or so and if they want to have a hormone treatment then give it to them during puberty, i.e when they are starting to become young adults

>>721876628
why not fixing the problem with some brutal self kill?

>>721875133
That's literally not what gender is. Gender is a synonym of sex.

>>721876726
What about baby faggots?

>>721876430
Again, nobody is saying cut childrens dicks off. They do hormone blockers and therapy until they're older. Where's the harm? Where are the studies showing kids suicide rates BECAUSE OF THE HORMONES as opposed to bullying and social oppression?

>>721876430
Post op depression happens to trannies that get their dick chopped off but still have a lot of features that makes them not pass for females. So it wouldnt apply to kids that take hormones and get femenine features from the get go.

im not for it though, im just saying that the argument is invalid.

>>721875738
>gender is a spectrum
Source or get the fuck out. You'd have been laughed out of the room for saying something outlandish 20 years ago. Thing is, our fundamental understanding of human sexuality hasn't changed much since. No matter how many tumblr blogs tell you there are thousands of genders, we've known for quite a while now that gender dysphoria is a diagnosable mental illness. The only difference is that edgy teenagers now have a platform on which to whine until the general public discards the facts in favor of their inoffensive "alternate facts".

>>721876688
I hear CRISPR can do it now, too.
Also nice white nationalist dubs.

>>721876661
Sure the can, before the 70s they could, or was it the 60s. Ah well you know then hippies love them kiddies.

>>721875745
See >>721876809

>>721876509
No children have had their dicks cut off. Does anyone read these articles, or just spout nonsense because of a magazine cover?

>>721869194
>showing children of one sex how the other sex is and encourage them to act like that too
that's legal? let's wait until pedophilia is legal too.

>>721876795
Can you actually just safely "resume" puberty at 20?

>>721875252
It was bait, dude. Heinous, disgusting and vitriolic bait, but still bait.

I was trying to demonstrate the worst case scenario, and what could - and inevitably would happen if this was allowed.

It's good that you feel that way though. Means your human.

>>721876628
Hormone blockers and hormone treatments have lasting effects on the body that persist throughout life. The fact remains that this is attempting to fix what isn't broken.

>>721876887
Maybe if you survive the relentless bullying.

>>721876628
denying the child puberty is pretty sick you faggot.

>>721875558
Fucking this. So many people forget that gender isn't even usually defined solely by genitalia.

>>721876629
It's a new field, but some kids have had their lives saved from hormone therapy. Worth studying, rather than force an ancient morality on them, causing further pain.

ITT: trolls being trolled

>>721874635

In general, one's brain stops developing in the mid twenties. The fact that our brains aren’t developed until the mid 20s means that “legal adults” (those age 18+) are allowed to make adult decisions, without fully mature brains. Put this in the perspective of a young child (12-16) and you'll see the fallacies of this whole situation.

>>721869194
>Should children be allowed to consent to anything?

No, and anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded

>>721875580
that literally makes you a faggot

>>721876940
but so they will be children forever, think about it, this is the first step to immortality

>>721876885
So you want to be a boy? Lets look at some gay porn...
>AAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

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>>721869194
anyone else into forced cross dressing/makeover?
ever since I was a kid (partly thanks to pic related) it was my secret fetish. I dont want to be a girl or trap or anything, but the idea of being tied up and humiliated with a makeover by girls turns me on
I just cant help but think if I had said anything id be on the cover of a magazine too talking about how my therapist chopped my balls off

>>721877008
>[citation needed]

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>>721876723

>>721876887
Good question, I'm not a doctor

>>721876928
Say that to those who suffer from it.

>>721869194
Oh yeah, work the shaft.

>>721874880
Male and female brains are not really different according to all the latest studies I've read. Hit up WebMD. A bit different yes, not as much as it was thought.

I also don't think we'll be able to change back and forth though.

>>721877011
So then it shouldn't be a big deal for pedophiles to exist then, right?

>>721877148
you cant

>>721876940
So is denying the child's gender.

>>721876503
So you want to keep these kids permanently children? That's fucked up. And the very fact we are stopping normal biological functions shows how fucking retarded your argument is. We have to fight our own fucking bodies to keep our lies going.

>>721869194
That fucked up little faggot looks just like a boy with long hair. So much for that hormone treatment theory.

>>721874565
What the fuck are you babbling about?

>>721877105
Read the National Geographic article! Don't just look at the pictures!

>>721876628
>Living your life in a body you know is wrong
that is literally a mental illness

this needs to stop being normalized

>>721874406
Surgery sure. But hormone therapy sterilizes you.

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>>721869603
Fucking degenerate I swear to god I hope people like you are rounded up and put in fucking labor camps. I'm not even memeing.

>>721877083

one of the funniest shit i've read today

the future is now
the article is 2 years old
>>721877212
this fact is irrelevant because we talk about shit from 2 years ago
>>721877191
i'm suffer from not fucking something,
so it would be ok to rape someone?
think about it it shud make sense for you

>>721877336
Hormone blockers don't

>>721869194
>Should children be allowed to consent to sex reassignment surgery?
Neurobiologically, humans are children, generally speaking until the age of around 25.

Based on obtaining knowledge, developing character, humans, generally speaking, are bitch little kids until around the age of 50.

Generally speaking, but not as generally as previously, some humans never grow the fuck up.

Not enough humans ever grow the fuck up.

Humans are irresponsible pieces of ignorant and delusional shit.

>>721877389
Perfect logic. Rape is the exact same thing.

>>721876628
How about therapy for the child to cure them of their gender dysphoria, which is a mental illness?

>>721877299
He was trying to imply that the poster was confused by his own sexuality.

Either that or his reading comprehension is that of an 8 year old.

>>721876809
I'm trying to understand it myself. It was transplained to me in roughly those terms. Identity philosophy + individual rights + socially defined roles (based on biological sex) = live action role playing. That's as far as I've been able to get with this clusterfuck of a theory.

>>721873832
Nonbinary is a nonsense that is founded on gender stereotypes. Those libcuck snowflakes are so dumb they don't realize they are making stronger the one thing they are fighting against.

>>721877402
but if you feel as the other gender and you fuck
the other gender it's impossible to get a kid
because how shud this work if 2 dudes fuck or
2 lesbos? damn think about it

>>721877449
They do therapy. Therapists decide what courses of treatment might lead to a happy child.

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>>721871533
>Underrated post

Haven't been on 4chin for a couple years, besides an occasional pop into /wg/ and its the same stupid shit.

I would love to blame it on kids but there were plenty of 12 year olds back in the day. Too many people who can't take a joke and say a bunch of dumb shit followed up with HURR DURR WAS JUST PRETENDING TO BE A RETARD

Can't stand it, it's the no fun zone and at the same time its people trying to be funny.

>>721877191
You mean the, what, .01 percent of people with actual gender dysphoria? Fact is, most people are gonna grow up as normal and mentally healthy as they always have (assuming the propaganda and alternate facts don't go too far). You faggots are arguing and making such a big deal out of something so inconsequential. The more you fuel this by getting triggered by it, the more likely it is for some kid to get it in his head that he IS transgender, and then he'll be fucked up. Everyone in this thread is causing more harm than good.

>>721877191
It's a fucking first world mental disorder. You don't fix that by fucking up their biochemistry and putting them in a dress.

That's like saying you can fix a wall that was accidentally painted pink by smashing into it with a sledgehammer, duct taping over the holes and repainting it purple.

Fucking brilliant solution

>>721877695
Any kid browsing /b is already in trouble.

>>721877575
>Therapists decide what courses of treatment might lead to milking the most money out of the parents

>>721877265
>*mental illness
This used to be common sense. If you got a dick and you think you're really a women, that's called gender dysphoria and is a mental illness. It's not a "gender", by which I mean, it's not an innate part of human nature to flip flop between gender or sexuality or whatever. I'm not saying it isn't harmful to deny an ACTUAL transgender person their expression, but get your fucking facts straight.

>>721877887
India has had hijras since forever

>>721871533
topkek

>>721877887
Do you approve of growth hormone to help short kids? Can hormone blockers help transgender kids? Why not?

>>721877328
This. Unfortunately it's too politically incorrect to call it what is is now, so we have to make up fake science to back it up. I don't even really care about trannyism in and of itself, but seeing reality bend to feelings is what really pisses me off.

>>721877444
It's called an analogy, bro. Come off your high horse why don't you?

>>721876151
>snowflake

They're both on your side autismo. Too bad your own mental illness prevents you from having a normal conversation.

Back when I was young (I'm fifty fucking one) parents were proud of their children for being talented. Now parents are proud of their children for being retards and misfits - it's easier and with sufficient distortion anyone can be a fucked up loser.

>>721877955
"This used to be common sense" is not an argument. The Earth used to be flat, that was common sense. We figured shit out. Kids can be made happier with hormone blockers and therapy. We figured that out.

>>721875580
It's not an opinion. You're mentally ill.

in europe we had transgender in the past

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastrat
sry for german link i dont find any english sauce

today it's no longer ok to help the kids with it
because some leftwings call it barbarism

>>721878269
Perfect analogy. Rape is the exact same thing. Get up out of the gutter.

>>721877911
Bad example. I meant it in more metaphysical terms of discussion. The more attention people give it, regardless of where, the more presence it will have in the public conscience, you know?

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>>721877993
Crossdressing and intersex are different from transgendered bullshit. Crossdressers know they're male, feel as though they're male, they just have a weird fucking kink. ANd they're generally faggots. Intersex are those born with both male and female sex organs. Extremely rare. Both are different from some multihaircolor, kale eating, millennial libtard who wants to change their gender because privilege

Hijras is just the indian umbrella term for faggot.

>>721878508
And the more children could be remedied by therapy and understanding.

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>>721878269
why do you reply to a post that is replying to my post?
do you know how pathetic this looks if i reply to your post now?

and it's not a analogy it's pure logic
but you possible still *feel*

>>721878344
Yes, but as opposed to the discovery of a spherical earth, the ONLY thing that has stopped gender dysphoria as a mental illness from being common sense ISN'T a scientific breakthrough; it's political correctness, redefinitions and obstruction of facts. I'm not even really talking about hormone therapy. I'm talking about the idea that "gender" is naturally fluid and other such pseudo-science.

>>721878562
>write a wall of words
>about something in a land that uses
>the streets as toilets

>>721877191
They only thing they suffer from is delusion that is reinforced by society being so "tolerant" of retards.

>>721878804
Are therapy and psychology pseudo-sciences?

>>721878579
Again, it's a very small segment of the population, and making such a sensationalized case out of it clearly cause problems where they wouldn't be otherwise. This should be handled by individual families and people. The so-called "gender revolution" that nat-geo and the like love to whore around will help no one, least of all transgender people.

>>721879011
They're soft sciences and not backed by hard evidence. They're one step away from being pseudo-science.

>>721878964
Tell them that. They won't agree with you.

>>721879011
No, but the Tumblr 51 gender list and gender fluidity certainly are.

>>721879060
Tell that to the kids like the one on Natl Geographic who think their lives are happier. Do you know better?

>>721879011

Abso-fucking-lutely they are. They do not satisfy any definition of science

>>721879103
Agreed. I've always seen Psychology as a poor man's science anyway.

>>721879011
Basically, yeah. Their largely subjective and usually don't have any tangible or consistent ways to prove their findings.

Comparing something like Psychology to actual hard sciences like Physics and Chemistry is insulting.

>>721879103
Like your "hard" science, all science gets better over time. Psychology has to get past social barriers in order to advance, physics doesn't.

So what about things like cows milk. We treat cows with growth hormones. And kids consume a lot of their milk. Not just milk, but countless other foods, and not just specifically growth hormones. Am i on to something?

>>721879188
Clearly not YOUR definition. Lots of others, though. Scientific methods apply.

>>721879227
Because math doesn't solve it?

>>721875335
I know your English is a bit broken but what I gather from what your saying is a person who wants to be trans needs to get it done while your body is still developing.

That's assuming gender dysmorphia is a real condition and if so, should be a last resort especially if the patient is still developing. Anyone under puberty don't possess the mental facilities to comprehend such an decision because they have a limited understanding of sex and gender in general.

If you asked a boy or girl why they don't want to be who they were born with, it could be as serious as chemical imbalance/emothional and physical abuse, or as simple as an overactive imagination. People need to realize childr en by their nature aren't serious and can change their decisions at a moments notice.

>>721879392
What the absolute fuck are you even trying to imply right now

>>721879165
I know that the kid on Nat-Geo was very clearly coerced by his insane SJW mother. Started transition at the age of 4, are you shitting me? Bad example, anon.
Again, the happiness of individuals has nothing to do with the sensationalism and flat out lies perpetuated by the media. Furthermore, I'm glad you brought of the Nat-Geo kid, because he/she is living proof of the point I'm making about kids being coerced and manipulated like this.

>>721869194
yes, I wanna see all these trans kids turning up at 40 accusing their parents of greivious bodily harm and abuse

>>721869194
>be trans
>this thread

Seriously though. I think children can *consent* to SRS but whether they have the option to have it done is another entirely.
At most of your teenage years you're too young to make an informed decision that will be lived with during your adult years.
SRS is not reversible yet and we don't have gender suits yet so. I at times definitely want a nuni; it'd be an embodiment that helps to have sex in your most sexual sense of sexuality but is it all worth it?? I dunno. I've realised something recently, that maybe, for the sake of ultimately something just sexual, it isn't worth an irreversibility. As in now, I can fuck girls and get fucked in the ass so w/e. Not the end of the world.


Hormones aye, have at it. I'd rather have started early for the sake of the desired outcome becoming more radical and closer to the desired.

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>>721869194
Kid's not allowed to buy a lottery ticket with their allowance money, but allowed to consent to non-essential surgery and severe hormone treatments.

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>>721879312
so do you think the dna-mixed milk and the uprising of transgender have the same roots?`

>>721879258

Psychology has to get past the fact that it is horse shit in order to advance.

I assist in selecting psychologists for doctoral level training. Trust me- most of them are lazy fucking weaklings with severe personality problems who will spout whatever old turd is fashionable amongst the lecturers who mark their work.

>>721869194
at the rate we are going in 10-15 years its gonna be a crap shoot on if you end up with a trap or not.