Sooo... Is the reason we haven't come together as a species

>>721736337
People are trained from birth not to ask questions. It keeps them docile, easy to control.

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>>721737274
Probably true.
But memetics exist. There's a certain number of people that grasp the fact that information is co-evolutionary with humans.
Like... I know enough biology to know I shouldn't be an alcoholic, still am.
It seems to be really basic reason that should dictate how others are treated, certainly is not at all, systemically.

Why is it apparently more fortuitous for most people to be a zombie herd?
Is it because the people smart enough to do the herding have decided that on a philosophical level all that matters is their own experience and therefore everyone else might as well be zombies so long as it serves their own ends?

If a person is smart enough to engineer society how could they not see the reason in that the best possible outcome is everyone cooperating to a common good?>

>>721736337
if all ants united, they could easily annihilate humans and take over. Animals are just meant to be able to survive and reproduce, coming together as a species isn't something worth evolving.

>>721736337
>Is the reason we haven't come together as a species and started to work toward the common good nothing more than the effect of people being incapable of coming to an agreement over a number of philosophical arguments?

No stupid. it's because the parasites at the top are stuffing their gullet with all the fucking resources on the entire planet while everyone else starves.

Kill those people, and you get a unified humanity.

>>721736337
The whole problem with stating that "we all know what's reasonable and what's best for us and others" is everyone's subjective view of the world and what they beleive lives up to those standards is subjective and so varied there can be no agreed apon absolute set of values.

>>721736337
>Is the reason we haven't come together as a species and started to work toward the common good nothing more than the effect of people being incapable of coming to an agreement over a number of philosophical arguments?
At a fundamental level, yes I think so. But life's not that binary. At some point people will disagree. Sometimes those people are very powerful, and this is what creates a division of nations. We also have to consider our other differences such as culture. It is very difficult to assimilate, and most people find that it is a destructive process.

>>721736337
Do not burn out the candle of old wisdom, as it leads to the life of a hair-dresser.

>>721738358
Won't matter. There is about 1% of the human population that is born as primary sosiopaths. This is a genetic anomaly that basicly makes them a sepperate species that preys on mankind.

>>721736337
>We KNOW what's reasonable, what is the best for us and for others.

The pieces of shit on earth with the vast majority of resources don't know or care what's best for themselves or others.

If you killed the Rothschild family, everyone in the world would suddenly become 100k dollars richer.

You really think hoarding that kind of fucking money is knowing what's best for you and for others?

You are naive OP.

>>721738946
>separate species

I couldn't have put it better myself anon. They really aren't human. They're subhuman trash, and so are the guiltless amoral security and worker drone force that works for them.

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>>721739091
>>721738946
>>721739011

Well ya okay. The people who are at the top got there because they're ruthless and willing to climb there using the rest of us as stairs.

But if people are just brains full of information and reactions therein and society is just a bunch of people that all agree to uphold certain ideas then why hasn't it yet happened that a bunch of people came together to make up a bunch of arguments that people can't reasonably argue against and began the process of converting things into... Yaknow, general reasonable goodness?

If it's just a series of good arguments that you have to teach the reasonable people that really only amounts to writing a, 'What a good person is, how to be one and why that's important manual'?

>>721739091
Security, police and military are the most immature of humanity in a morality and spiritual sense. They give up their personal responsibility and responsibility for their actions to a higher athoritive power and think it makes their actions justified. The man locking his fellow man in a cage for a law written by other men is still fundamentally imprisoning another human. A soldier who kills another for his country still has killed another no matter what he has been led to believe and how he may think he is virtuous for enforcing the will of his government through lethal force. They are the most devided and mentally enslaved amungst humanity. At least the sociopath is living in accordance with his nature

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>>721739513
A great deal of your statement appears to fall under the genre of identity dynamics.
Giving yourself up to a large identity is a natural social things that humans do for nature of being human.
What I wonder is that you can see humans caging other humans, and killing other humans.
But for some reason it seems that you cannot argue against those behaviors because more people agree with them than those that do not.

But that seems to imply that not all arguments are bound to reason/logic, and I wonder why that's so ridiculously effective.

And why do some people seem to back the arguments that don't have sense.

Nobody want's to be unreasonable... Right?

>>721739486
Look dude, think about it.

If you were born in Medieval times under a ruthless and monstrous king, would you be inclined to invent a steam engine so that king could use it to cook you alive with it?

Summarily, if you hypotehtically had knowledge to build an anti-gravity mechanism with recycled magnetic energy for free, do you think you'd give away that knowledge so the people at the top could kill you for competing with >muhh oil companies?

If the people at the top want humanity to stagnate, then the ones at the bottom with the means to move humanity forward would be killed if discovered. If they're smart, they won't open their mouths, and they tend to be smart.

Look at Galieleo or countless others in history who had all the tools to advance humanity, but chose not to go further because their lives were threatened by petty, worthless wastes of life born already at the top with all the world's resources.

Control freak and soulless rich shitstains/satanists will always be there to stagnate and suffocate progress and science. They are not even human. They are a disease and so are their lackeys working for them.

>>721739513
No kidding dude. The people who work for the CIA, NSA, and most of the "high level" government/police force are soulless half-demons.

Sociopaths who always find a way find a way to justify their treason.

>>721739486
There would have to be an absolute change in the vast populations mindset to enact a change like that. The argument of natural law is basicly what your speaking of and its been around for quite some time already. The ideology exists but it by no mean is it taught or practiced. The problem is humanity is by nature competing with itself via natural selection and not all are created equal by any means. Through different times and states of the world all of the different personality types and strategys have had been the most effective so there is no one unified ideal operating system for humans. This will always be the way of mankind and different intelegence levels has a huge effect also

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>>721739767
It's the way the world is set up to divide people's minds and create the systems of control that exist now.

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>>721739971
Well yes but humanity describes all of us. Every human falls within the purview of humanity.

Societies and cultures are the mechanisms that regulate the function and teaching of individuals.

Natural law argument yes goes all the way back to the greeks and before to the first thinkers, what I keep asking is why don't the arguments to the effect of, "We should all be reasonable?" work.

I can understand religion and it's purpose and function and why it makes people more likely to believe not-truth because it's more comfortable, but why don't people who understand that rather than argue with religious people (Dawkins method) do more to systematically edit the information pool (Voltaire, Bill Nye, technically Hitler if you really need to mention Etc etc) for the next iteration to perhaps have the world be a bit better off?

>>721740423
You're basically smelling your own farts dude.

Trying to be a pseudo-intellectual and blaming things on religion while ignoring the real problems like poverty and resource hoarding real people have to deal with on a daily basis.

But sure, keep blaming all of humanity's problems on "cultural norms" or other such bullshit when it can be summed up in one word:

Greed.

>>721736337
We might of been a better society if we weren't suppressed and subdued by religion. It makes people so stubborn that there is a man in the sky. It's philosophical ideals are flawed and primitive. I think it's not slowing down anytime soon with the population increase and the more people being controlled by social media and main stream bullshit. We are getting fucked more and more each day. The new generations will be the downfall of society and the start of a new with two classes. Upper class and sheep.

We lost the class war.

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>>721740664
I feel like that's largely projection.
Not an argument against your statement but you seem to be assuming my stance despite the fact that I'm mostly just asking questions.

It takes a lot of work to create good arguments/conversations and this is arguably the worst place to do it but it's the medium I have at hand.

I'm more concerned with philosophy than I am with sociology yes.

And I'm not trying to sound/be intellectual, I just... Don't have better words for trying to have this conversation than what I'm using.

Greed, selfishness, subjective urges and needs and reflexes.

Yes. But we also have reason and love and math and school and everything. I'm not yelling into the void, "Why aren't things better!?"

More specifically my question remains, "If reasonable people eventually come to the conclusion that cooperation is the best way forward and being reasonable is the best way to do things." Why that form of thought isn't in any way popular?

Perhaps we have too much white matter?>

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>>721739820
Another thing I've been thinking about and realized is the nature of ones upbringing pegs you to a certian lifestyle and social status. I beleive this is in a way controlled by the powers that shouldn't be also. The people in the world at the highest levels grow up in a much less violent environment and are schooled at private institutions that focus on their problem solving skills and more mental persuits. Now the people in the lower class grow up in the public schools system that if full of violence and state propaganda. They go home after that and watch tv etc and struggle to survive. I think the elite's upbringing builds a person in a way geared to in effect be able to have the best chance to in effect be apart of the group running the world if they are mentally capable of it. As for the plebs, the elite create a harsh social culture and world for them so as to keep them divided and easily manipulated/controlled. That's how you build the minds of soldiers and police and criminals and the easily manipulated populace as a whole.

>>721740746
Religion is just an effect of the larger problem of resource competition.

Religion was invented to control the poor into giving their resources to the already wealthy church.

Now instead of religion we have things like fake charities and social causes. Of course, all fake and quite wealthy already, just like the churches of old.

Don't blame the symptom for what the sickness does.

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>>721740926
I don't think there is a secret ruling class.
And if there is it's only made of people and money.
Being born into a station is entirely normal, but why does everyone think that it's the be all end all? The framework is, like society, entirely imaginary and only continues to exist because enough people support it..

Advertising is easy, reason/being reasonable is an easy idea to plant in a person.

Does it have to be us? People on the internet or maybe an AI, that makes the comprehensive education of the people happen?

>>721740423
There are active groups of people working in unison with a shared beleif and goal running and directing the world vs the vast aggregate of the population that is raised in the school system the controllers built and watching mass media for the majority of their free time. They have structured society in such a way that we are all chasing our own tails and all pointed in different directions. You also have to remember the vast majority of humanity isn't smart enough to mentally work out the true value of morality without religious dogma dictating it and waving the threat of eternal damnation over their head to help with their self control. Also the death of god left people looking for something to fill that void and no set of solutions was offered. This leads to nihilism or beleif in political dogma to replace the religious morality. Think natsoc or communism and the unwavering faith in political dogma that killed over 100 million people in the 20th century from these beliefs in the state. Fucking dangerous and deadly

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>>721741210
I believe, though feel free to argue with me, that religion is actually more of a symptom than a cause.
After people got reason and abstraction they understood death and existential crisis and needed something to make them feel better.
Thus a series of lies was agreed upon and people felt better.
Religious people are statistically more emotionally healthy, in part due to their enhanced capability to look at all the terrible things in the world and being able to have faith that there is a higher purpose and design to it and that someone loves them and that death is but a transition period.

>>721740746
That's already the case. The total history of mankind has been genocide and war and we are in a tiny blip of peace in the grand scheme of things. I have a feeling there will be big problems in the future personally as we return to the mean

>>721740926
Well if weren't born in a first world country you are fucked. On average you'll have no political power, let alone resources to sustain a family. If you were born in a first world country you would have a better lifestyle and education but the education system is flawed. Kids/teenagers don't feel sleepy till 10:00pm or above and usually have to get up at 6:00am. Unless you have an uneducated family on diets, you'll likely lose focus. Discipline is basically non existent so ferals will disrupt the lesson. Then kids will not likely pack good food as they will be distracted of a morning or not pack it at all as the food will get soggy and undesirable later in the day. When the kid gets home they'll likely do leisure activities until bedtime and repeat the cycle. Schools don't focus on expanding your vocabulary or putting good mental gearing in you before you leave. Instead your filled with garbage that teachers are required to teach from the education board. Assignments don't really help you but instead cause stress. You're not being taught how to live a prosperous life but instead how to get good marks and to fall in line.

>>721741266
Man you come off as being a completely clueless and numb person.

I hope you are 12 years old. An adult who can't see the ruling class is honestly far below average IQ at this point.

>>721741500
You're trying too hard to seem smart and it makes you look stupid.

>>721741587
Basically yes.

>>721741578
Peace is not necessarily a good thing. In times of peace, infiltration by competing factions becomes the main weapon.

Many nations have fallen under "peaceful" times. Just as our society is falling.

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>>721741587
Yes. It's almost funny how they replaced the trivium and quadrivium, philosophy and logic with Bolshevik socialist outcome based education(common core) and the world has gone to shit. They do not thaxh people how to think at all anymore, just produce

>>721741983
Teach not thaxh ffs

We'll never have a utopia because people will never be able to 100% agree on everything. Just look at politics for one country, let alone the entire planet.

>>721742139
Agreeing has nothing to do with it. Starvation has more to do with it.

I can live down the street from some die-hard gay, Muslim, SJW, liberal, conservative, etc. But if we are both safe and have food in our bellies it will never deteriorate to violence.

The problem is everyone is strained because the resources are being hogged by the pigs at the top.

Do you REALLY think muslims would be as violent as they are if they lived as well as the US and weren't constantly fucked with by Greedy amoral Jews trying to drive them out of their own homelands?

>>721741983
The education system is mentally handicapping students. The shit they teach doesn't interest the student as its brainless shit. It doesn't get them curious or get them thinking at all. Almost everything they teach isn't mentally arousing in any way. Essentially you learn the basics, learn a method, put your knowledge into action then poof! It doesn't exist anymore but only on your record as to how well you preformed. Schools basically waste all your early years as you only apply 20% of that knowledge. Wide reading is useless, analysis text and film should be optional, only basic math should be taught and not fucking Pythagoras and advanced algebra, history goes in depth into useless information etc. why don't schools encourage initiative and curiosity? Because they want it to be like this. Dumb fucking muscle brains that construct, go home and breed.

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>>721742139
Persuit of utopia has lead to more deaths in such a short time than any other modern beleif system so far. I think chasing that dream is something that has to be very tempered

>>721742569
>pursuit of utopia
>greed and human stupidity as usual

Pick one.

Nobody ever in the history of mankind has chased utopia except maybe Hitler I guess. Most others were benefiting themselves, not thinking of the entire species at a time.

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>>721742637
You must be trolling. The whole ideology of socialism is to achieve utopia.

I think the number one reason is that Homo Sapiens is a violent species. Conflicts and murder goes back to the beginning, Homo Erectus etc etc.
Just because humanity suddenly started building cities and live together in huge numbers it doesn't mean we aren't just animals.
Animals will always fight and kill. Doesn't matter if it's over land, food or just pure old aggression.

>>721742769
No it's not. It's to achieve even more power for the ones at the top.

Think about it. How much more autistic of an idea can you possibly get than to take ALL of the resources, then give them to the ones at the top to "redistribute" them as they see fit?

Socialism is a con by the rich to dupe the poor.

>>721742946
That drive is quite necessary and important for survival, especailly as we start traveling further into space.

A forced peaceful mindset means extinction and slavery on a galactic stage. But a species with a built-in defense mechanism becomes more survivable and competitive.

Violence doesn't have to be mindless. It's all about survival.

>>721736337
you broke 4chan rules, you are not a fag, OP

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>>721736337
>Why can't we just reach out... And take Utopia?
Are you new?

>>721740423
Hey retard. I have a question for you:

If religion and the idea of an intelligent universe is just something to comfort stupid people, why is it that the great minds throughout history, eg. Isaac Newton, Galileo etc were such keen students of occultist philosophy and theosophy? Nearly all known sketches attributed to Newton depicted Solomon's temple (in which occult teachings state Moses placed a representation of the planets in a circle around a large flame) and he spent most of his life contemplating ideas/artefacts like this.

It's incredibly arrogant to assume that you're somehow more intelligent than others just because you're an atheist. The parasites that run the planet have subverted every religion away from the path of truth, peace and the teachings of their founders.

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>>721737737
>There's a certain number of people that grasp

> I know enough biology to know I shouldn't be an alcoholic, still am.
you dont have anything to channel the addictive personality that you have. you failed at life.


>If a person is smart enough to engineer society
only a small few know how to engineer it, the rest is just winging it.

>>721738068
There are several instinct that are designed to come together as people.
Only a few races posses this instinct, the others just take advantage of that.

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>>721738358
This is not the problem.
The top is feeding every one else creating the development, the bottom ones are the parasites.
>is this bait?

>>721743396
>only a small few know how to engineer it, the rest is just winging it.

Most people could probably figure it out, but they don't have the resources of all the media stations + pharma companies + medical companies + industrial companies + energy companies + everything else at their immediate disposal.

The subhumans at the top aren't smarter than anyone or anything. They just have all the stuff.

>>721743523
You are a fucking autist guaranteed.

The parasites at the top love to call their hosts who pay for all their shit the parasites. But they are the true useless eaters.

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>>721738765
It is because of niggers anon.

>>721743035

>Violence doesn't have to be mindless, It's all about survival

Oh I agree. I got serious anger issues my self.
Did a few years behind bars for it.

>>721743035
I defiantly agree with you there. The base idea of Marxist utopia and the other socialist ideologs is a very sly play on pitting groups against each other to justify redistribution of wealth. The problem is the world is made up of individuals and a group is a mental construction. By lumping people into a group and saying they are exploiting you and you are a member of a exploited group dehumanizes the "rich" and justifys violence against individuals. Every person has a different history and path that has led to their state in life. Some is from family wealth, intelligence, innovation and hard work. This doesn't matter as your seen as the evil rich exploiters and as such seizing all your wealth is totally fine.

>>721739820
implying that the lower income homo sapient isnt really just a braindead zombie breeding out of control and in need of control as they are locust.

>>721743523
Plumber
>Contributes to society
>Doesn't cause major international wars
>Fixes your shit when you need it like a coolbro
>makes a moderate income to feed his family

>Parasite

Banker Trillionaire
>Contributes nothing to society
>Eats and eats and eats and wastes and eats some more
>Ploys nations against one another for even more pointless money to suck up
>Sits on resources while others die in poverty

>"Feeds" everyone

>>721743703
The rich deserve to be humanized. Anyone with over 1 trillion dollars net worth is not a human in my eyes, just a tapeworm.

Millionaires aren't rich enough to be hurting the entire species.

Even billionaires are no problem if they aren't actively using their money to hurt the species.

But just the very act of having a trillion dollars already hurts the species and demands capital punishment.

>>721739091
>They really aren't human. They're subhuman trash,
You mean like niggers?

>>721743710
Do you think the higher income ones are much different? They're literally the same mindless zombies except they have the capability to cause A LOT more damage to the entire planet/

People who annoy you

>>721743878
Niggers are the trash at the bottom.
Trillionaires are the trash at the top.

Both trash.

>>721738946
So you are saying being able to make a logical desision with out using muh emotions makes you a sociopath?

>>721743929
And the trash in the middle bracket???

>>721739011
Stop breeding so much you dumbass

>>721743987
Normal people trying to survive I guess?

>>721744005
Moron

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>>721743902
So you think stupid people should rule the planet.
>great plan.

Fun fact. majority of the resources is taken by "normal stupid people"

>>721744063
Veloci

>>721744070
>So you think stupid people should rule the planet.

They already do.

Surely you aren't autistic enough to think rich = smart? Are you?

>Fun fact. majority of the resources is taken by "normal stupid people"

Yes, trillionaires are basically normal stupid people. There's no reason they'd be smarter than anyone else.

>>721744043
>>>721744005 (You)
>Moron
the only problem this world has is over population of morons.
Morons that wil never contribute other then the maintaining of society whilst consuming resources.

insults are not going to change that.
insults are not going to give the empty consuming existence of yours any meaning

so which are right? the Assassins or the Templars?

>>721744131
>1% rules the world
>stupid people rule the world.
Pick one.

>>721744142
>the only problem this world has is over population of morons.

Yes this is a problem but it's compounded by resource hogs.

Both are problems which make the other worse.

>>721736337
There will always be people who don't agree on a certain way to run to run things. There will never be a Utopia, because people are stubborn as fuck, and there is not a thing anyone in the world can do about it.

>>721744063

Common Buzzard

>>721744131
so you think that the 1000 ppl working for some rich dudes boat are not going to burn more resources then it takes to build that boat.

you are a simpleton redditanon.

>>721744201
>.000000000001% rules the world
>stupid people rule the world

Pick both.

You are a hopeless autist if you think someone's smarter because they're born with 999999x the money of someone else.

Intelligence defined by the amount of money mommy and daddy saved up. Man you are stupid.

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>>721744131
>There's no reason they'd be smarter than anyone else.
their ancestors and they were able and smart enough on a genetically basis to obtain that fortune in the first place.

>>721743862
Kek. There's worse, The Vatican anon.
Let me explain:
>The Roman Empire exists and becomes the most powerfull empire in the world
>defeats and absorbed all the major powers in the world including their wealth
>Christianity arises and finally Constantine holds the council of nicea and consolidates Christianity
>Roman Empire transitions to the Catholic Church
>power and influence expands to this day and has fleeced the populace for thousands of years
>litterally watched great empires rise and fall through the century's all the while controlling spiritual matters and investing in catholic country's world wide using influence to amass an incredible amount of wealth
>Jews start fractional reserve banking successfully at the end of the napoleonic wars and have been making some money for maybe 200 years vs 2000+ years of the Catholics
I'm not condoning the fractional reserve system and the people taking advantage of it but there are other factors in the world

>>721744263
statistically rich people are smarter, silly leftard.

>>721744254
No... Do you even know how much some boats cost?

1000 low class working people won't even use up the value of an expensive boat in their entire lifetimes. Birth to grave.

Do you have any grasp at all at the quantities of money we are talking about here?

Think about how much a trillion dollars is.

That's a MILLION millions.

That's a MILLION millionaires.

Can you fucking grasp how much money that is? And the richest families in the world are rumored to have 30+ trillion or more.

Can you even fathom what kinds of quantities we are talking about here?

No, a thousand people workers use much less resources than the value of a single boat they're working on.

>>721744303
>bribery
>murder
>theft

>"smart"

Autism confirmed. I'm done with you.

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>>721743976
No different thing all togeather

>>721744348
Yes because of more resources to buy education.

Not because of more resources themselves.

>>721744303
So you think the kids of rich people are smarter because their parents killed a bunch of other people and took their shit?

Really?

Not even the guy your responding to but fuck you are seriously stupid.

>>721744263
Not stupid enough to continue a conversation with some lower life form like you.
Enjoy the meaningless existence that you have.
you will leave nothing behind except for a carbon footprint.

>>721744484
you sound stupider than he does

>>721744346
Christianity has kept knowledge and information for 2000 years and has been spreading it during this time.
Many inventions and discoveries where made by monks.

>>721744484
Look dude I'm not talking about millionaires or billionaires here.

Some millionaires genuinely worked their way to the top.

I'm talking about trillionaires mainly. These people are parasites who were born into their insane luxury and wealth and have contributed nothing to the species. All they have ever done with their lives is swap money around and eat and eat and eat. They have done nothing for the human species.

>>721744409
>Yes because of more resources to buy education.
Are you trolling?, either way you are stupid.
You cant study yourself smart stupid anon intelligence is based on genetics..

>>721744544
>stupider ?

>>721744594
Then stop buying shit from their companies stupid.
Stop working for them stupid.

>>721744254
>Streets of Monaco
>$1 billion boat
>$1 billion / 1000
>$1 million per worker

Most people don't make a million in their entire lives.

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>>721744475
Is everyone rich the children of mass murders? Should we investigate bill gates and Steve jobs parents?
LARP harder anon
This kind of thinking is what the people running goulags in communist Russia thought while shooting prisoners in the head or working them to death

>>721744629
And genetics is based on the money you're born with?

Autism.

>>721744723
Well if they own everything you don't have much of a choice.

And if they're the only ones who own the companies because all other companies are outlawed from getting big enough to compete with them, you also don't have a choice when you're looking for a job.

I work for myself and make most of what I own, but I can't not buy from the shit they own if they own literally everything.

>>721736337
There are forces at work preventing this sort of thing. They have brainwashed society and has been keeping them fighting against each other for a very long time. Know your true enemy. There are three main entities with smaller factions that need to be completely torn down and gotten rid of completely for your utopia to happen. Then the common people must unit under one simple condition. It's the only way.

>>721744574
They also dictated morality to their populace and enforced it, and burned witches and warlocks at the same time

>>721736337
I could type up an essay about this, but I'm not going to.

I recommend that you read up on political philosophy, history, and economics (particularly world systems theory).

keep thinking!

>>721744735
Those people aren't trillionaires, just billionaires.

And Bill Gates contributed a lot to the species, along with the amount of charity he gives.

He doesn't have much in common with, say, the Rothschild family that started WW1 and WW2, and they have a lot more money than he ever will.

>>721744724
So you need 10,000 ppl for that.
10,000 cars 10,000 homes 10,000 useless mouths to feed.
You think that outweighs the resources some rich dude consumes sipping champagne in port how?
The rich enable the existence of the poor stupid people.

>>721744735
Also read what I said before. I have no problem with millionaires at all, or with most billionaires. Especially if they changed the world for the better like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

>>721737737
Engineering society is the problem

>>721744864
You said 1000 not 10,000.

Most people will not use a million dollars in their entire lifetimes including car and home.

>You think that outweighs the resources some rich dude consumes sipping champagne in port how?

Yes because they get bored and cause political pressure which causes wars and destroys the species from within.

>The rich enable the existence of the poor stupid people.

The ultra rich parasite off the poor. Then blame the poor for being parasites.

>>721744789
>Well if they own everything you don't have much of a choice.
Because you are not smart enough to think up any other way to survive other then being a lackey.

>>721738068
Living in peace with nature is natural for all life forms.

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>>721744789
>And genetics is based on the money you're born with?
No one said that

>>721743523
This whole concept all together need to be gotten rid off.

>>721744835
No they dont, the people dictate mortality.

>>721744594
It's corporations generally at that point anon. Aside from that certian people who come up with something so revolutionary that it completely changes the world as we know it will gennerally be rewarded if they market what that have created effectively. Now if you had worked hard your whole life and payed taxes on your earnings and then decided to give that to your children would you see that as immoral?

>>721744991
There is no other option than to work for the already established monopolies.

I own my own company but I certainly feel the pressure of the fucked up economy which was orchestrated by the ultra rich.

It's hard to find customers for landscaping when everyone's stuck making $10/hr at most.

And the monopoly companies make all the landscaping equipment.

What the fuck do you expect people to do? Build a spaceship, fly into space, and start over? Except the trillionaires own those companies too.

>>721744838
cherry picking and racist

>>721744964
>You said 1000 not 10,000.
You increased the size of the boat.

>Yes because they get bored and cause political pressure which causes wars and destroys the species from within.
how?. take of the tin hat anon

>>721745113
>Aside from that certian people who come up with something so revolutionary that it completely changes the world as we know it will gennerally be rewarded if they market what that have created effectively.

Dead wrong.

Look at Tesla. His inventions were fucking groundbreaking and to this day most of his tech is buried from the public. Guess what happened to him? He didn't want to play ball with the New World Order companies so he died in poverty and nothing he invented ever went anywhere.

>>721745206
No I didn't. That's the original boat I was talking about.

A luxury superclass boat, not a fucking dingy. Trillionaires don't boat in dingies.

>how?. take of the tin hat anon

Google the rothschild family involvement in WW2. They funded both sides. This info is publicly available.

>>721745101
So the people were not going to church every week and completely basing their moral value set off the teaching of the bible?

because we cant agree on what utopia is

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>>721745146
>And the monopoly companies make all the landscaping equipment.
See not smart enough.
You dont have to buy stuff if you have any capability you make your own stuff.
You are so dumb that you can even manufacture landscaping tools and machinery.

>I own my own company
Sure bud because mowing lawns is a company.

Landscaping?? hating on the rich?,, you have to go back.

>What the fuck do you expect people to do? Build a spaceship, fly into space, and start over?
You cannot do this, you are not smart enough.

>>721745374
>You dont have to buy stuff if you have any capability you make your own stuff.

Can't make a weed whacker without lots of money upfront stupid.

>>721745256
>Google t
No, i asked you how, you are here spouting rothchild shit with out the ability to explain it.
Clearly you dont understand it enough yourself.

>>721745256
As I said, market effectively. Tesla got fucked hard I won't deny but at the same time he was amazing at creating and sucked at business and marketing. If he was really good at both the world would be much different than it is now

>>721745447
Maybe that's true but he didn't have the money to hire marketing experts like Edison did, because Edison sided with JP Morgan General Electric.

Only established money is set up to make more money.

>>721745284
They themselves decided to go to church in the first place.

Their mortality is simple, they are sheep that want a leader.
Which leader they take is their own choosing.
What they teach their children is their own doing.

>>721745428
You can build it out of scrap parts you moron.
What was the plan that you had, go to the store and buy parts.
See this is why you will never make it, you dont have a large enough intellect to develop build end invent on your own.

Do you think the first guy who invented the weedwhacker and build a prototype bought some kit to build it?

>>721745525
>hire marketing experts
It sounds allot like you want capitalism anon.

>>721742946
>Homo Erectus
Races with homo erectus admixture have a higher ratio of crime and violence.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840

>>721745656
The scrap parts were still made by steel companies which are owned by the monopolies.

The fuel or electricity to power it is still coming from the monopolized energy companies.

>>721745705
Nothing wrong with capitalism.

>>721745446
Hurr durr Google it! Thank me later for this vital nugget of information, hot off the press

>>721743577
>Most people could probably figure it out,
No most people cant even figure out how to shit on a toilet.

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>>721736337
I have died quite a few times by the medical textbook definition of "deceased" than at night I had said friend to recycle my blood in my corpse.

When you leave your vessel, you spirit-walk thus finding & emerge to the "Promise Land" you have the same soul, you just have to bargain with whoever deity you served either they are real or fictiotonal.

Zu'u lost kosaan um gut wah lingrah. Dii bok los c

>>721743577
>The parasites at the top love to call their hosts who pay for all their shit the parasites.
Then why is it that the whole world spins solely based on the fact that the rich invest their own capital?

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>>721743586
This

>>721736337
I recently watched the move "Arrival", and the plot reminds me of your argument.

>spoilers

12 alien vessels arrive on earth, all in culturally different locations. Each vessel has part of an equation to the evolution of intelligent life (FTL travel, infinite power, etc) and forces humans to unite as one, with the first step of learning a universal superior language to decipher the equation. The aliens do this because they need our help in 3000 years.

My point being, is that the only way we as a species will overcome our internal differences is with the help of extraterrestrial life, otherwise we are going to destroy our planet before we can leave our own solar system. I honestly think extinction is inevitable for us.

>>721743720
>Plumber
>>Contributes to society
him fixing some neets plumbing is not going to solve any energy crisis or world hunger.
A plumber nearly sustains the consuming of the whole, he has no value as the people he serves have non.

>>721743720
>Banker Trillionaire
invest in research and development that makes plumber and neet lives better all over.

>>721744131
>They already do.
Then why are you not smart enough to overcome some dumb people with allot of money.
if they are dumb they should be easily cheated out of that money.

>>721736337
we can't because of niggers and faggots like you OP.

>>721746004
>him fixing some neets plumbing is not going to solve any energy crisis or world hunger.

Neither is causing international wars or suppressing technology that solves world hunger.

>>721745865
You could always dupe them into agreeing, then back out of it later claiming you never made a deal to begin with.

>>721745962
Extinction is better than slavery.

>>721746065
They don't tend to do that.

>>721746172
Most people gave up on life and wouldn't bother giving back to the species if thye suddenly landed ona ton of money.

>>721744205
Why don't you compare the carbon footprint of a billionaire.
then take the amount of people that his money sustains, see if their cumulative foot print is larger of smaller.
>come back to me when you are done to tell me you where wrong.

>>721736337
Things that need to happen first:
>world peace magically achieved so that no nation is vying for any more power over their neighbors
>resources are no longer scarce at all
>people all have to stop irrationally hating one another long enough to realize we're not all that different, objectively-speaking.
>religion is bye-bye (it literally cannot be practiced in any form due to certain tenants and superiority complexes that are common among most major religions. They're also a comforting scapegoat for those who do not wish to challenge themselves with the understanding of our physical universe; this is not acceptable if you're to have uninterrupted world-wide scientific progress)
>inb4 religion as motivation for scientific progress (someone must be wrong, and therefore it's merely more of our sense of superiority manifesting itself in an effort to prove oneself correct when you could be working on something that benefits all of mankind equally [belief in your religion, right or wrong, does not benefit all of mankind equally. There will be strife; it's best to let the concept fade into the past]).
>We must all have a common agreement in our perceived concept of Utopia in the first place, which would literally never happen. Everyone wants different things based on past experience (religion is fucking shit up again, here).
>OP would have to stop being a faggot asking dumb questions and start working toward whatever fanciful utopia they had in mind, right now (lol you won't), but creature comforts prevent us from experiencing a desire for improvement.
"Basically, we're fine and the rest of the world needs to catch up to whatever metric I deem appropriate, and that's not really our problem." is the world-wide sentiment at the moment.

>>721746272
If we go by sheer amount of money spent and carbon-burning machines used, the billionaire easily uses quite a bit more.

But billionaires are fine in my book. A lot of them make up for it with charity. Billionaires don't start international wars. Remember I am only really against trillionaires.

>>721744724
>Most people don't make a million in their entire lives
Because they are morons living meaningless lives, living of the crumbs without ever looking up where the crumbs come from.

>>721745256
>No I didn't. That's the original boat I was talking about.
You never started talking about any size, you changed the size after anon said it was 1k ppl.
1 billion dollar boat, seriously you have no idea of the actually value of money do you.

>>721746371
I don't think they're morons for being born in poverty. Maybe if they chose to be born that way, sure that would be a moronic decision. But it's purely by accident.

>>721746172
This. Super-rich elites breed selectively to ensure intelligent offspring. The issue they have is that they often select their relatives as a way of keeping the family money in the family. This fucks with their genetic line, creating intelligent psychopaths and retards that get sacrificed or locked in basement dungeons by the psychopaths of the family.

>>721746460
A billion is a thousand millions.

Never changed the size stupid. If you don't count the factory workers to assemble individual parts, then a thousand workers is plenty to assemble a billion dollar boat.

>>721746513
you never specified any size before anon said 1k ppl.\
you are flipflopping
again, how many ppl in this world have a yacht that is 1b?
did this one guy fuck you`re highschool crush or something?

>>721746495
All we get is inbred shit.

Retards and sociopaths with all the resources.

What a bright future humanity has waiting for it.

>>721746588
Trillionaires would have those kinds of boats which are the main group of people I'm talking about. Holy fuck learn 2 reading comprehension.

I have no problem with millionaires or billionaires.

>>721746464
i dont related their iq to their financial status. i related their financial status to their iq.

in order to have low iq children you need low iq parents, low iq people have low income. so low iq children are born in to low income.

>>721746588
By the way they would have dozens if not HUNDREDS of those kinds of boats, along with cars, houses, land, industrial companies, machines, etc.

Do you still think they use less resources than the common people?

You are a fucking autist. Get over it.

>>721746352
George Soros is a billionaire. Do you like him?

>>721746645
>Trillionaires
You keep using this word.
remind me how many trillionaires are there in this world?

>>721746694
The common people build all that stuff because they are not smart enough to build stuff themselves.
So they end up in factories working for the smarter rich people.

Simply remove the servants in this world that cannot create anything on their own solves all the problems that you bring forth.

>>721746813
Sectoctillion.

>>721746694
>By the way they would have dozens if not HUNDREDS of those kinds of boats,
1 guy owning hundreds of those boats.

Being stupid is fun to you isnt it.

>>721746813
The heads of the Rothschild's (3 I think?), the queen.

That's pretty much it. The rest are in the $100-999billion bracket

>>721746760
Don't know much about him but:

>made his money in banking with hedge funds
bad, against the species

>donated 11 billion to charity
good, for the species

I guess I like or dislike him depending on more details. Not very sure of the guy from a quick skim on Wikipedia.

Upon closer inspection, most of his "charity" money seems to be given to private political interest groups, so I can't say I like him too much given what little I just read about him. That's not real charity to me.

>>721746813
Not very many. But they do the most damage.

>>721746921
You are a fucking idiot if you equate amoutn of money one is born with to the intelligence they have.

I'll bet there are a lot more impoverished factory workers in China and India way smarter than your stupid ass, or most millionaires.

>>721746975
>1 guy owning hundreds of these boats

Yes it happens. Same thing with cars. And mansions.

Do you really have any fucking clue as to how the world works?

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>>721746588
> how many ppl in this world have a yacht that is 1b?
did this one guy fuck you`re high school crush or something?
i bet it was the queen who fucked socialist anons high school crush.

>>721746760
Did more research on him, seems like a piece of shit.

Funded protests, fucked up economies, increased political pressure, made his fortune scamming elderly people out of their retirement funds.

Don't like him.

>>721746990
George Soros basically controls the foreign policies of the world using leftist ideology and mainstream media. If you kept up with politics at all you'd have heard of him.

Also, I.Q isn't everything. A person of average intelligence can become more powerful intellectually than some of the smartest minds of our time, purely because they have access to hidden knowledge/advanced philosophies that you can only study by being born incredibly wealthy. This makes them wiser a lot faster than the rest of us. It's like starting the game of life with cheat codes. You can raise your I.Q by studying and thinking more often about complex processes, especially if done from a young age when the brain readily absorbs information. The rich know this and have used it against us for a long time, teaching children fantasy stories and making their early education unproductive.

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>>721747505
>Also, I.Q isn't everything. A person of average intelligence can become more powerful intellectually than some of the smartest minds of our time,
Wrong.
intelligence can be conditioned but only to the maximum genetic potential.
>especially if done from a young age when the brain readily absorbs information.

There is nothing stopping you from starting to school kids from birth , maybe start by not using babytalk.

>>721747505
>Also, I.Q isn't everything.
It is almost everything.
The only reason why some highly intelligent people don't achieve anything is the lack of drive, discipline and cause.

>>721747715
>maximum genetic potential

Do you even know what that means, or you like to look smart on anonymous boards..

>>721747833
Yeah i do, Why don't you do some research.

>>721747833
ps i am smart and i like to look it.

>>721747914
you could start where the bell curve stops going up.

>>721747944
>>721747914

Let's drop the "big words" as justification, if challenged.
>LOOK IT UP FAGGOT!

>>721747715
No. You're regurgitating bullshit here, what is "genetic potential"? People with average intelligence are capable of understanding and contributing to highly advanced fields, and there's been cases where geniuses have been labelled as retards and put in special-ed classes. Society hasn't got a clue about the scope of human potential, we are nearly all capable of achieving anything we want, as long as the foundations are in place from an early age to make development efficient. If you want to simplify things to suit your own I.Q. to fill in the gaps in your knowledge then by all means do so.

>>721747825
Well then they really weren't that smart after all, were they?

>>721748016
This.
you can easily see that negroids dont become any smarter in white societies that have standards far above their potential genetic intellect.
They are simple not getting any smarter where according to the bell curve they should

This is because they have reached their maximum "genetic potential"

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>>721748099
you are not challenging me.
Here read this. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BMXVZzvLXz8C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Scoop-a dee-poop poop.

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>>721748153
>"genetic potential"
The maximum iq score a subject can obtain, this means they are well fed and schooled.
Not having schooling(conditioning) or suffering form malnutrition prevents the reaching of the maximum intellectual potential.

There is no magical higher plain of intelligence.

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>>721748202
The parents were not smart enough to properly instill those values.
Allot of behavior is driven by genetic instinct as well.

>>721748153
>You're regurgitating
No i am not.

>>721747567
>>721747505

Yes Soros is definitely a piece of shit, but not all billionaires are that bad.

I have no inherent problems with billionaires as long as they don't actively use their wealth to harass, derail, and degrade the human species at large. Like Soros and others like him do.

>>721748482
For many here over 70 is a magical plain of higher intellect

>>721748202
of course they were, they just don't see the purpose in coming up with a world changing energy invention, then being assassinated by the powers that be for competing with their shitty energy companies.

If you were smart, you'd keep that shit to yourself.

>>721748690
This is why they like to think there is some magical plain.

If there is and all the really smart people are just using this unknown magic then they dont have to feel so bad about being intellectual inferiors that only produce more inferiors.

The simply lack the genetics to have big complex brains that produce higher intellect and they need to explain it away to feel better about themselves.

Media and information has led to this unfair competition plain that people judge themselves off.

Most are not even in the league and develop massive mental problems and aggresion from this awareness as seen in this thread.

>>721738358
No you don't, kill them and the people on the rung immediately below just take their place, and do the same.

Look, I don't want to sound negative but at a certain point we just have to step back and admit that, unfortunately, human nature and these utopian ideals just don't mesh well together. The evolutionary processes that propelled us to the top of the food chain aren't compatible with philosophies such as that.

>>721736337
>be me
>be simpleton not smart fag.
>don't care enough.
>a little bit edgy with sociopathic tendencies.
>don't want utopia
>want fighting
>want the world to be in agonizing pain
>because don't care
>prefer to stay quiet and not tell anyone

Honestly it all depends on how people were raised. Even though we knows what's good for everyone more often than not we stick to our normalities we were taught as kids because most people fear change, and don't want it. Plus with the over arching "class" structure now a days it's almost impossible for a "upper class person" to drop to "middle" or "lower". While controversially it's extremely hard to go up in class. So people will always be divided.

>>721748997
>No you don't, kill them and the people on the rung immediately below just take their place, and do the same.

Well if you kill the people at the top, you need to take out their lackeys who would repeat their efforts.

I really think personally, if this species has absolutely any chance of surviving, it will have to be as a predominantly military species. And it will have to shed its parasites killing it from the inside before it can proliferate into the stars.

Utopian ideals are actually quite feasible given the correct technology.

>>721749155
And how far down do you have to go killing everyone? What makes you think that history won't repeat itself? How is making ourselves a "military species" help anything? How does that not just lead to the military leaders at the top becoming just as corrupt as whoever else was at the top to begin with? Sounds like exactly the same shit is gonna happen, just under a different name and by different individuals.

>>721748997
Homo sapient have domesticated themselves.
We continue to do so. some races are more domesticated then others and are more cooperative and able to create a utopia.(check the crime stats to see which)

Some others are still at proto human levels.

Now these proto humans breed allot faster as the dumb breed faster and are allowed and even supported to breed faster.

You see Utopian societies all over the place, they are simply being eroded. Sweden was utopia 30 years back for example.

Some asians countries/districts are utopia today.

>>721749155
>>721749359
Just kill /everyone/ and we worry about nothing because /everyone/ is dead. New anon in this conversation here.

>>721748997

the wheel turns, whether you think so or not

yes, power is sought, and the powerful often replace the powerful in times of disruption and upheaval, but at least through that process of replacement the dynastic retention of wealth and power is ameliorated.

better to rotate rulers than let them hand power to their children.

>>721743262
Except average IQ is 100 by definition

>>721749036
>So people will always be divided.
not in a homogeneous society with out classes tho.
You get classes because the strong preying on the weak, no weak around to prey on no classes.

>>721749558

it is, but what 100 represents moves, and has been improving for years.

we are getting smarter, but yeah, the bell curve of IQ stays roughly the same, because we change what it means.

>>721749359
its is called evolution, why go against it?
the alternative is going back to swinging from trees whilst still fighting each other.

>>721749524

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/bog-bodies-are-kings-sacrificed-by-celts-says-expert-129289548-237410131

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>>721749623

turn turn turn

let no one rule for life, let none rule by bloodline

>>721749558
>Except average IQ is 100 by definition
no, that is the set number we uses to measure the avg by.

The avg iq of this world today is 89.9

>>721749155

the game changes if the top tier know that they serve only once, and that that service ends in death or exile.

>>721749720

not the case, the definition of the scale means that the average is 100.

it's not a measure of a tangible external, but of one's place in the overall, pinned to the centre line of 100

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>>721749619
>we are getting smarter
No we are not, we are getting dimmer and this has been the trend as long as intelligence is measured.
the genetic iq has been declining for hundreds of thousands of years.

you can see the reduction on intellect by the reducing size of skulls in all previous hominids.

it is a evolutionary given that brain sizes reduce.

Then on top of that there is a genetic admixture spreading in to western population groups that misses polygenes that relate to high intellect.

Homo apient as a whole is getting dumber.

Now the thing you are confused with is the small population that is of high iq and only breed with high iq partners.

This results in higher iq individuals.

This high iq median group is really small rapidly declining.

Smart people dont have enough children to change the world population iq median, that or dumb people breed to fast, (probably a bit of both)

>>721749861
it was at one point in time the avg, they set the 100 number back then and fixed it.
the iq has been dropping, that pinned number has stayed the same, minus the deviation they get from newer test.

>>721749451
the fact that a utopia did exist but degraded is really more of a proof against your point than for it, you realize that right?

>>721749524
Amazing how every fascist regime gets taken down by a hero of the people, then a decade later the people need a new hero to save them from the old one, who has began doing the exact same thing the first dictator did. Show me even ONE time in human history where this didn't happen and maybe I'll believe it's a worthy goal to aspire to.

>>721749623
No it isn't. Evolution has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. It's a process where populations slowly begin to conform to their environments, not a set pathway where a population can become "more" or "less" evolved. Please don't use analogies you don't understand.

>>721750284
>the fact that a utopia did exist but degraded is really more of a proof against your point than for it, you realize that right?
explain how fucking up a society with the introducing of another population group that conflicts proofs any point?

>>721750128
we need to sterilize the third world

>>721749573
Right. And how are we gonna stop those classes. We aren't. Cause even the people who over throw them with good intentions are going to create classes of their own.

>>721750284
>Show me even ONE time in human history where this didn't happen and maybe I'll believe it's a worthy goal to aspire to.

Gaddafi.

>>721750284
you can evolve on a set path way it is still evolution.

Natural selection and selective breeding is both evolution. stop pretending you understand anything by telling others that they dont understand.


If you would have truly understood you would have been able to explain it other the resorting to ad hominem

>>721736337
-what is tribalism
-reptilian brain (no not reptilians conspiracy, the oldest part of the human brain that controls survival instincts, greed, selfishness, contempt, jealousy, etc etc etc.)
-a mechanism for self managing population numbers, just like disease it is a way for nature to keep the fat trimmed so to speak to try and keep numbers from getting out of hand and no longer sustainable

these are a just few of the reasons in my opinion

i believe for it to change over time as a society we would have to all have a new perspective or viewpoint on ourselves and the world and after multiple generations of that all throughout the majority the reptilian brain would shrink or be reallocated to new thought or functions leading to a mental evolution/perception of the universe etc..

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>>721750476
oke serious answer, licensed parenting.

Do not let the lowest of the low breed, do not let the defects spread in to the main population groups.

Nature selected those out, we fucked with nature and now all the weak are breeding fast.

We will reach a point where society falls because of this lack of selection.
We will them go back to nature with survival of the fittest murder kill etc (see brazil).
build another society, rinse and repeat.

>>721750267

not true, they reassess it regularly. there is a long standing argument about how we discern an average by testing when the tests rely on a tested average, but they do reset the parameters.

unless you're thinking of a specific test?

>>721749359
Only way is to have a computer be in charge.

>>721750535
>Gaddafi.
Was a good man. yes i know how it sounds stop watching so much propaganda learn the truth.
Assad, not a bad guy either btw.

>>721750535

Libya got torn into 2, west and east, the unified country exists only on paper, they both have glorious leaders, you don't hear much about it, because they're supposed to be the "good guys" as opposed to Gaddafi who was the "bad guy".

>>721750128

you're gonna need to give better evidence for that, bro, seems like some of them 'alt-facts'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

>>721737737
Why are you drinking, oh dear anon?

>>721750284

a decade or so is not that long, and is certainly a better term limit than forever, or centuries

sure, I think 7 years would be a better maximum term, but hey, take what you can get

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>>721750625
>-what is tribalism
It works for the Asians. they are racist as fuck but super happy in their homogeneous society(until others show up ofcourse)

>>721750427

the place with the most rapid growth? that only makes sense if your goal is to protect the most stagnant, which makes no sense unless you are being purely self interested, and dont want humanity to be as strong as it can be

>>721750984
wasn't saying tribalism is bad, i mean we as humans have benefited from it for thousands of years, its just what causes us to form groups and come together because it benefits us more on a survival aspect than the lone wolf option does

>>721750648
Kek
>>721750819
So we have the same viewpoint why are you arguing with me?

>>721750819

tfw you think idiocracy 'makes a lot of sense, if you think about it'

tl;dr:

lol

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>>721750860
>not true, they reassess it regularly.
Do the reassess the boiling point of water regularly.
They reassess the avg of the population today stupidanon, not the fixed number they measure it by.

>>721750872

'the director'

>>721750396
>our society is perfect guise
>I mean as long as this that the other and so on don't happen cause then we're fucked
>so yeah as long as we remain perfectly static and unchanging we're okay!
So no such thing as lasting perfection exists, but a utopia, which would be just that, is somehow possible? You've certainly convinced me.

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>>721750929
Explain why blacks are not at the same level of whites yet living in the same houses going to the same schools at the same financial level.?


>Flynn effect debunkt.

>>721737737
>best possible outcome is everyone cooperating to a common good?>
cooperating with parasites. that is not good.
this is why you feel oppressed if you are a parasite.

>>721751139

you are wrong, I don't know how to say it any simpler.

the whole concept of how we measure IQ means that 100 is the average. The only time it might not be is in the small period between calibrations.

It is in no way comparable to the boiling point of water, even though, yeah, people do regularly check that experimentally too, at various altitudes, etc.

>>721751289

the flynn effect is debunked because you don't understand it?

holy shit, if that's the case then all of science is at risk, I better tell the royal society

>>721751139

i'm afraid he's right, anon. the latest wechsler test, for example, is from 2008, recalibrated before release.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wechsler_Adult_Intelligence_Scale#WAIS-IV

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>>721746266
>Neither is causing international wars or suppressing technology that solves world hunger.
Strawmen
>Extinction is better than slavery.
is it?, look at the negroids in america living like kangs, they are much better off then negroids in africa and their population grew 100 times
>They don't tend to do that.
What does the capital stands for in capital investment? every really rich person has his money invested.
>Most people gave up on life and wouldn't bother giving back to the species if thye suddenly landed ona ton of money.
You dont suddenly land on money, nor do you just keep it with out hard work and dedication.

You lose money if you just keep it in the bank, taxes are created as such that you have to invest and put that money to work.

if you are stupid and just buy nice stuff that comes with a financial drain you go broke.

>>721751843
>You dont suddenly land on money

dynastic retention of wealth and power does mean that some are born with it.

going to eton or st albans also makes retention, gathering, etc, more likely and neither is free.

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>>721746352
>If we go by sheer amount of money spent and carbon-burning machines used,
Most high end products are one offs and handcrafted.

Every person having a car is what is wrong with this world.
Did you know most wealthy people buy and own products that lasts them for generations.

>>721746464
if you cant make more then 50k a year you are stupid.

>>721752035
>Did you know most wealthy people buy and own products that lasts them for generations.

Sure, expensive high quality products that no one else can afford.

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>>721746645
>All we get is inbred shit.
inbreeding isn't all that bad. it really depends which trait is left over it can be good in some cases.
to much does causes diseases and defects

>>721747018
>>1 guy owning hundreds of these boats
I know enough that you dont have a clue.
>how many ppl in this world have a yacht that is 1b?
>>1 guy owning hundreds of these boats

Do you enjoy being shamed?

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>>721748680

>>721749036
>>be simpleton not smart fag.
>>don't care enough.
>>a little bit edgy with sociopathic tendencies.
These are the problem, they wont fit in so they will fight it in order not to be left behind.

Survival instinct of the meek

i will never understand why so many people stan for the rich

temporarily embarrassed billionaire syndrome?

>>721749524
>better to rotate rulers than let them hand power to their children.
It is not.

A king is more invested with his kingdom then a minister or a president is with their country or people.

>>721752541

you really need to study the history of the middle ages in europe

>>721752541

'let them eat cake'

>>721751651
how is he right, what are you referring to, where does it says that the scale is adjusted?

>>721751371
>It is in no way comparable to the boiling point of water, even though, yeah, people do regularly check that experimentally too, at various altitudes, etc.

this is exactly how they measure iq.
They measure the height by knowing what the boiling point is at sea level.

if you dont have a fixed point you only know how smart the individual is in comparison with the collective. you wont have a way to see how smart the collective is.

Do you have to try hard to be this stupid?

>>721752541

sure, like mugabe is great for zimbabwe, or franco was for spain, or how the tsars helped russia

oh, wait

>>721751445
Because you cannot answer this simple question.
>Explain why blacks are not at the same level of whites yet living in the same houses going to the same schools at the same financial level.?

>>721753105

That wikipedia link was purely for the date of the latest update of the wechsler scale, which is on version IV. You can google the rest yourself, or choose to remain ignorant.

>>721752025
>suddenly
> some are born with it.
Pick one.

>>721752541
I don't think you're actually basing that on anything and may, in fact, have a bizarre fascination over some nostalgic, fantasy version of England during the middle ages.

>>721752179
Unlike the massproduced trow away items the poor people use that doesn't takes up allot of energy.

Having a all leather interior instead of plastic doesn't pollutes.

>>721752497
We stand against stupid, stupid.

>>721753105
>if you dont have a fixed point you only know how smart the individual is in comparison with the collective. you wont have a way to see how smart the collective is.

that is one of the main discussion points regarding the study of intelligence, that IQ tests and so on only measure relative intelligence. It has been that way since the iconic stanford-binet.

feel free to keep calling me stupid if it helps you feel good, but i am not speaking from a place of guesswork or folly.

you are arguing that the scale can not be relative, when in fact that is exactly what it is, a significant criticism of the concept of IQ tests.

>>721753410

mmm but if they weren't plastic mass produced cheap items how could the poor/middle class afford them in the first place.

>>721736337
We don't know what is best for us because "good" and "bad" are completely subjective. The truth is that the smartest person on the planet doesn't know shit.

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>>721753116
>>721752923
>>721753116
>>721753391

Sure there always be corruption, but having 100 ministers that are corrupt is worse then 1 corrupt king.
At least you can see and overthrow a corrupt king.

>mugabe is a elected president.

>>721753308

being born with money counts as suddenly having money, it's just that t = 0

how does it not?

>>721753680

you clearly know fuck all about the politics of zimbabwe

>>721753458

lol, keep telling yourself that's what I said, or meant, or even think.

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>>721753252
>That wikipedia link was purely for the date of the latest update of the wechsler scale,
it doesnt say that anywhere.
Why is it so hard to reverence it for you.

>>721753391

this

idiots wannabe serfs, think kings are their friend

>>721753391


Daddy issues, feels like. Hoping daddy will save/protect/etc

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We are literally organic matter floating on a rock in outer space. None of this matters.

>>721753826

it really isn't, but the papers require an elsevier log in, which I'm not willing to share on /b/

>>721753191
Because your a fucking idioc. A Waste

Not hard to figure that one out, at all

>>721753545
This is why im so enjoyed that you bring this retarded point up.
You are the one that is trying to have it based of the avg intelligence of a given population.

People with scientific standards would like to keep a fixed number so you can actually have a fixed control for the data studied.


Fucking leftys coming in to scientific fields with their nonsons.
You dont understand anything.

The scale is not "relative" it is fixed at 100 avg.

>>721753574
Indeed, they should not being owning all that stuff.
They would not have owned that stuff if it wasn't for the smart and rich.

>>721753826

anon is correct, the practice is called 'renorming'

it's expensive and takes time, but it does happen.

>>721754048

i too am so enjoyed

>>721753748
i know they could overthrow him. i know a king would be better then some president using all the power he has to stay in control instead of doing good.

>>721737274
I was taught to ask questions; now im an asshole.

>>721754048

lol, you didn't do too well in science class, did you?

relative scale, centred on 100

these things are not exclusive

>>721754048
>You are the one that is trying to have it based of the avg intelligence of a given population.


trying to have it? bro, nobody here runs a testing company, this is all reportage, not a manifesto for change

>>721753191
As for ops question, this ignorance is the primary hold on the transcendent object at the end of time... as long as the line between humanity's big families is perceived as species lines, or even a important division we will be stuck

>>721754174

also very enjoyed myself am i

in the happy of self and joy, may we all pass the station of the bless

>>721753947
So you link a bs link with no information instead. fuck off.
>>721754136
What they do is they make the test easier so poeple get higher scores on them, i know of this.
This however is not the same a changing the set avg of 100.

They are changing the process in which they obtain the data.

>>721754191

as i said, know fuck all.

have you even heard of morgan tsvangirai?

quick, google him and pretend you knew all along

>>721754231
>relative scale, centred on 100
its fixed.

>>721736337
>We KNOW what's reasonable, what is the best for us and for others
Some people don't care about that

>>721754282
Clearly you are in support of a skewed measuring of intellect.

>>721754381

it had some information. It evinced the claim that the tests are updated (version IV), and that this process continues in recent times (2008).

it was part of a set of replies by me, and at least one other anon, to this:

>it was at one point in time the avg, they set the 100 number back then and fixed it.
the iq has been dropping, that pinned number has stayed the same, minus the deviation they get from newer test.

>>721754295
But it is divided by nature among those lines, naming it doesn't changes a thing.
>i am not ignorant for noticing the differences you are the one for not noticing.

You dont care, but i do.
You create the division here.
You are ignorant.

>>721754504
>the iq has been dropping, that pinned number has stayed the same, minus the deviation they get from newer test.

Sure and you are claiming that the adjustment for the newer test are skewed. we agree on this.

>>721754467

sure, i also 'support' the notion that a hydrogen atom has one proton and am 'strongly in favour of' recognizing that the speed is time over distance.

we measure IQ as we measure it, I don;t know why it troubles you so to simply describe what it.

I acknowlege that a major criticism of the many descendants of the stanford-binet is that they are relative.

>>721754416

evidence for claim, plz

>>721754708

Am I? can you rephrase that, it's not entirely clear to me what you think we agree on.

>>721754812
if you going to constantly change the scale by which data is measured the data is useless.

>>721754467

'what colour is that truck?'
'red'
'wtf, why you want trucks to be red??'

>>721754909
When current IQ tests were developed, the median raw score of the norming sample is defined as IQ 100 and scores each standard deviation (SD) up or down are defined as 15 IQ points greater or less,[3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient

>>721755030

it serves a specific function, to find a particpants relative intelligence.

and yeah, you're criticism is not new, a lot of people think relative intelligence is not that useful a metric. Most of the smarter ones at least acknowledge that it has some use, though.

think 'faster/slower than' rather than 'fast/slow'.

not as useful as an externally valid value, but hey, you work with what you have.

>>721755030

the scale always measure the same thing, relative intelligence. It is humans who are changing, due to diet and the spread of education, and the scale reflects that.

once you get this, we can move on to the second most obvious question regarding IQ etc, which is 'what kind of intelligence do these tests measure anyway'?

>>721736337
Why did the white moths survive and the brown ones die? Because they were different. Diversity is the best way to speed evolution and advance the species

>>721755118


read the whole page, and follow some of the links.

from the page:


"When a new version of an IQ test is normed, the standard scoring is set so performance at the population median results in a score of IQ 100."


norming is literally what people have been talking about. it should be done more often than it is, but it's expensive and time consuming, so it only happens every few years.

>>721755234
>not as useful as an externally valid value
We have one it is the 100 avg iq scale that has been around for 90 years.
i only seen this change during the political changes.
How are you accepting this retarded thing when the alternative is there and has been there for 90 years.

>>721736337
no
the reason we can't come together as a species and work towards utopia is because
1. people are stupid
I don't mean this in an I hate all people way, I just mean our average intelligence is not that great
2. we don't all have that same goal. most people don't care about that shit, or rather don't care to live a lifestyle that would contribute to that shit. we're not just some robots that can wire ourselves to all push towards the same goal, we're individual people with individual lives, and most people see living life as more than contributing to take humanity to the next step
some of this falls in line with what you said but I think you took it to a broader scope than what it actually is.

>>721755118

http://paulcooijmans.com/intelligence/normhighrange.html

>>721754579
The differences are there, but naming it does, categorizing does divide. Ya dip

The fact that you are looking for answers to a simple question. That you can't see for yourself proves to me that your line of thought is fucked boyo

>>721755489
Norming =/= skewing.
Considering iq test should be void of cultural influences this norming because of cultural changes should not be a thing.

>>721736337

We can't get to a utopia because huge numbers of people believe you only have the right to exist if you generate profit for an employer, and your worth as a human being is directly linked to how much profit you can generate. This Neo Feudalism takes advantage of a person's natural drive to be productive and exploits their natural intuitions about the value of hard work.

We aren't even moving towards a utopia because most people believe EVERYONE ELSE doesn't deserve to live in a utopia.

>>721755519

so what is the external value it's tied to? average intelligence of your grandad? how is that not still a relative, internal reference?

>>721755561
Again you are talking about norming, this is changing the tests.

>>721755604

what are you on about? cultural influences?

>>721755597
>but naming it does, categorizing does divide
Naming is categorizing you stupid nigger.

>>721755667

what do you think I was talking about? They adjust the tests, and they adjust what a score of 100 entails, so they can have a solid 'norm' of 100.

are you responding to someone else by replying to me? If not, i'm not sure what you think you're arguing.

>>721755118

http://homepages.rpi.edu/~verwyc/Chap4btm.htm

>>721755693
Why would you otherwise change the tests.
the test of iq should be fine, if your test groups data profile changes you should not change the test because as you say it the data profile with which they calculate the avg to set the value of 100 to changes.

So why change the test?

>>721755604

"the standard scoring is set so performance at the population median results in a score of IQ 100."

they change it so that the average score is 100.

median average, as it says. IQ scores map a bell curve.

>>721755783
So you skew the data and you are pro this, why would you want that?

Some old dude is tested some new dude is tested, both are tested on different standards. as they took the tests at different times of history.

making the value of the data absolutely useless.

Why are they making the test results of iq value, why are they skewing this, why did they only recently started to do this?

>>721755877

because it's a test of relative intelligence? if you have no normal distribution, then what does it relate to?

it's not externally referenced, it's internally referenced.

'smarter than average' requires a knowledge of the average score, which requires a large enough sample to sit the same test. In order to ensure the average sits at 100, they renorm the test.

this is literally psych101, honestly, can't wait til you get to 102, and start asking the real questions.

>>721743380
Answer me

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>>721755921
sure and when we stop counting the people who die we can stay alive for ever.

>cant you see that that is totally unscientific and making it completely pointless to take that test.

>>721756013

where did anyone say 'want' apart from you?

>>721756197
You speak highly in favor of adjusting the value by which you measure over time.

>>721743380

shoulders of giants. Newton was smart, but modern man has the advantage of centuries of work since him to lean on.

newton born today would be able to read thousands more books, and listen to many more lectures, and would therefore start with more understanding upon which to build.

>>721743450

the human race seems to

or are you one of those idiots who thinks humanity is several races?

>>721736337
bureaucratic bull shit, corperate greed and red tape 4.24 light years long...