>>721328596 Harm does not have to be explicit, it may be implicit.
For example punching someone is explicit harm. Growing sexual freedom leads to degeneration of society via appealing to lowest instincts, which mischeviously turns society from the path of development into hedonistic, regressive black hole. That is implicit harm.
>>721328596 major problem is that very little you can do does not in some way harm someone.
everything we consume is made on the sweat adn blood of other people. everything we consume deprivves other people. everything we take we take from others.
nothing if free, no-one is innocent, everyone harms everyone else.
it is just a matter of how obvious the harm is.
Also even the most evil people do things that have good results - Hitler was an evil little fucker with abhorrent ideas, but as a result of the second world war my parents met... so for me that turned out good. maybe some people would say I am another evil result of Hitler's actions, of course...
how can you tell?
so your friend is lacking in moral imagination, if he thinks it is that simple.
>>721329445 Technically and he is right and has logic but he lacks in the way of tinking in the morality of his actions. Drugs can potencially harm the integrity of his family or people near him, fetishes can contribute to the degeneration of people and morality, Give us an example
You do realize how bored of sex you get when you do it right, right? Sexual exploration benefits society greatly.
How many things do you refrain from doing because of man made restrictions based on fear?
Honestly bro, restrictions based on morality, at least applied to hedonistic tendencies, hinder a society far more than improve it. The church was an scientific and artistic powerhouse when it was telling people what to do and we call that period the dark ages. ISIS is standing up for a moral code and they suck at making anything better even for themselves.
I would tell him that emotional trauma is just as real as physical. The other day I could've got sent to jail for hopping a fence into a military installation I have access to. I wasn't hurting anything physically but just knowing anyone could hop that fence freaks the employees out. That stress they feel is real and could cause them to behave irrationally.
You see this play out all over. Niggers and faggots don't realize that when they demand equality that means suddenly there are a lot more people in compatition for work and social services. (Blind to the fact that those niggerfaggots could make jobs and social services)
Same goes for women. If they're empowered who will cook and clean for us and how will we get sex?
The pain these people feel is real and they lash out in physical ways so it seems worse but it feels justified because of how much pain those niggerfaggot bitch Jews are causing them on a daily basis... By being people that red media tells you should cause you stress and emotional pain.
>>721330002 Look man he can think that he is a Demi-God transgender other kin in human form but that doesn't make him right. Using fake genders and claiming "it doesn`t hurt anyone" when explanation is needed is like a little prick that claims that you steal his crayon in kindergarden and realizes his mistake but still stuborn on it. Let it slide but not before his demandatory reality check.
>>721330688 That this whole extreme amount of gender pronoun thing is bullshit but I'm pretty sure I'll never convince him. >>721330690 Thank you. Ill try to tell him that. >>721330697 Yeah I'll let it slide definitely other than politics he's a good friend.
>>721331269 Dude the whole gender pronoun thing does hurt people... First of all, the people who follow all the gender pronoun bullshit mostly all consider themselves part of the LGBTQ community. That's wrong and insensitive as shit. People that label themselves as non-binary asexual, people that sometimes display male traits and sometimes display female traits shouldn't compare any of their challenges to those of the LGBTQ community. Lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and trannys have literally been persecuted and looked down on by entire cultures and civilizations for thousands of years. And now, some tumblr generated, random shit sack is including themselves in that community because sometimes they experience sexual tension with some people but sometimes they are completely turned off to all sexual things. Like no dude, that's just called being horny and not being horny. It's not "phytosexual" or some shit. So yes I think it's inconsiderate and harmful to the real members of the LGBTQ community. Not to even mention that further subgrouping and labeling of individual gender pronouns, although they may promote individuality, it's further dividing humans into more and more subgroups. people need to focus on the human race unifying in collective survival efforts instead of prioritizing individuality and free spiritedness
>>721332114 As a more liberal type, I kinda see the point of anti-abortionists. It's a grey area, particularly in the case of women like >>721331777 who do it for economic reasons rather than life-or-death
Fuck. Off. It doesn't hurt anyone. Fuck your sensitivity and political correctness. Nobody cares what these autistic fucks call themselves. It's like that guy sitting at your lunch table that nobody likes in school, yea he's there but he's not really part of the group and you all know it and just let him delude himself so he doesn't commit suicide.
>>721332250 I'm a gay and I could give a shit. People understand what "gay" is now and have mostly stopped hunting us. Who cares if some motherfuckers want on the bandwagon now? Will they stick their demi-dick in me, is what I'm worried about
>>721328596 problem with libtards is that they are easily offended, so i don't get where your friend is coming from.
offending someone is, in a way, hurting them. so where does he draw the line between alright and offensive? how does he justify defending libtard and sjw bullshit, and at the same time deny others the right to hold an opposing view?
your friend is what used to be referred to as a bandwagon jumper; his views are not his own, what he thinks is a result of trend assimilation.
give him 5 or 10 years and he'll probably be on another trendy bandwagon, or he'll have come over to the conservative side. i have many friends who have flipped from their previous libtard beliefs and politics over the years.
so don't dispute his claims, just let him grow out of them (if he does) or let him continue to hold onto them. it's his right, his life.
if you don't agree with him, just walk away. don't walk away mad, just walk away.
What's wrong with having an abortion for economic reasons? Why bother raising a kid when you don't have the means to give them a good life? Don't say adoption either, that system will fuck with them just as much as having poor parents.
the worst part is the ignorance on BOTH sides of the issue there is the traditional two sexes that can not change just because its tuesday
but there is a third sex that cannot be debated logically and rationally
Its the intersex/hermaphrodite. they are historically and biologically accurate and been around since the dawn of man. they were allowed a place in human history from inception in different cultures in all parts of the world
fuck you, adoption is a system that can be supplemented by the folks that give said kids to the government. I DONT see why we cant take it from their taxes every year to make sure kids that they abandoned
>>721332495 Dude I have political incorrectedness. I get that, that no one should really be giving a shit and nothing needs to be done retroactively. I'm not trying to do anything. I don't go and protest this shit or post about it on any other site. I've never posted about it on here before this either. I do hate band wagoners and people who compare their minor injustices to those of people that have had to with major injustices. But I don't hate them or care about them enough to go out of my way and try to stop them. I was just saying what I think
>>721333510 Nope, it's part of their possessions and is dealt with in the way they'd like. Couch goes to my sister, body gets cremated, that kind of thing. I would like my body to be used by perverts, and fucking anyone's corpse who didn't want that is trespassing, or perhaps theft.
Okay so what your saying paying child support for example is more expensive then actually raising the little shit?
and the fact that you save time and money in exchange for human life is LITERALLY inhuman, whos to say the life you just stomped couldve been the next mendel, jobs, curie, einstein?
There are repercussions to everything you do. an abortion is not a get outa jail card
it is murder to a point and saying anything else is inhuman no matter how you slice it
just cause you're poor doesn't mean you are forgiven or allowed to throw a baby in the trash or suck it up with a vacuum cleaner
The ONLY reason this is a huge debatable issue is the newest generations dont have a sense of honor to take care of their own. they shrug responsibilities and are more dishonest about nearly everything as long as it gets them out of a sticky situation
>>721334292 Yes, but his definition of "hurt" is important here, since he could easily claim it hurts the children who were "victims" of it, and it hurts his own... sense of humanity...? I don't know, it hurts his feelings or something.
Well there's a 99.9% chance they aren't going to be one of those famous, successful guys. Even less if they are born low income to people that don't want to raise them. Even less if they go into the adoption/foster care gauntlet.
What is the value of a human life anyway? If you were a real conservative, you'd let the free market determine it in dollar amounts.
But seriously, without experiences it's nothing more than a blank slate. It doesn't know anything, it has no long term cognitive functions, all it can do is exist. If its going to be fed bad experiences, *why have it exist in the first place.* You are literally creating garbage at that point.
Guess what? You said it yourself.
> dont have a sense of honor to take care of their own. they shrug responsibilities and are more dishonest about nearly everything as long as it gets them out of a sticky situation
Maybe there'd be less of those people if their shitty entitled parents had just had that abortion.
You can argue that it's morally wrong or whatever, but that's just YOUR OPINION. It's not your right to force YOUR OPINION on other people. From an objective standpoint, purely unbiased, it is better to not have a child than to have a child that you cannot or will not care for. That's not disputable. Unwanted children are a strain on human resources, the parents, or the government and the taxpayers.
>>721329318 >A crack addict would harm you indirectly Crack addicts hurt who, how? If you legalize and tax crack they can get it cheap and smoke as much as they want without robbing or blowing anyone. Morality police! >Having multiple sex partners increases your risk of getting an STD, in the UK that would cost tthe tax payer Multiple sex partners is a problem for people who are not you so you make up shit. Costs to the tax payer are insignificant. If you fix all the other problems then we will worry about people who are having sex while you are not. Morality police! >Single mothers cost the tax payer Single mothers like married mothers add more babies to the national health plan. Single is not the problem, Babies is the problem. Morality police!
Sadly the morality police have to make up injuries to get their way.
>>721328848 Let him be an helicopter if he wants how is that hurting you at all, doesn't change the fact that he's mentally ill and doesn't change the fact that society still sees it as a mental illness. get over yourself.
>>721334989 I can see the point that crack addicts' poor health could be a drain on the health care system, they should probably pay more for it. but they won't, because they spent it on crack already.
>>721335241 the line between mental illness and personality trait is a fuzzy one. psychologists are throwing the book out and starting over basically constantly and their studies are not as well confirmed as in other sciences. making government policy based on the non-violent madmen is foolish.
>>721334989 to be fair, I actually agree with the other guy on the crack one legalizing could do good, but it also can just lead to a higher prevalence of them if it gets legal, keep in mind, most people aren't going in responsibly, they go in with the mentality of 'if its legal, then it's not as bad as I thought' 'it's a legal drug, can't be so bad if i let the kid try' i mean, tobacco is legal, look how much underage smoking is going on
it won't just decriminalize and reduce crime rates, it will have other adverse effects
>>721335464 well you're wrong, I'm a grad student in psychology and despite what you think or what feminists might think, it is still based in science and these gender pronouns will never be accepted as science fact. again get over yourself tard.
I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be widespread birth control, because there should be, but absitenence will not happen, nor can you make it happen.
Guess what though? Poor people, and the people that don't want to have babies, are generally less intelligent and less responsible. They forget shit. even if they didn't forget, there's still the fact that any birth control is only 99% effective. Statistically you're still going to have unwanted pregnancies. It's a fact. You cannot eliminate them, not through education, not through birth control. I'll add as a side note here that a lot of anti-abortion people don't believe in any form of birth control either and their main selling point is abstinence (which does not work.) So no, it will not curtail anything.
You're right, it is on the parent. But when all else fails, do you really want someone stupid and irresponsible enough to get an unwanted pregnancy to carry to term?
>>721328596 If your friend understand what he is saying, it is okay.
If it truly doesn't hurt anyone, it is not just okay. It is good. Diversity in opinions set grounds for advancement. Enforcing the opinions that all do not agree is the problem. Thoughts must be free and creative. Just because you do not support one idea gives you no right to demolish it forcibly. Hell, people can practice satanism as long as it isn't hurting anyone.
The problem with liberals and 'regressive left' is that they are enforcing their opinions and attempting to make us accept them as norms. They are destroying difference in opinion and that is one way of causing intellectual stagnancy.
>TL,DR you can't take away peoples right to be assholes (as long as nobody gets literally hurt)
>>721335525 You can go shoot heroin in Amsterdam. Almost no one does, they all smoke weed. Even if crack and meth are legal they are still fucking crack and meth. Crack is a pretty lousy party drug. When you think that crack will improve your life.. your life is already complete shit.
Teen smoking has been in a nose dive since vapes came out. This has big pharma and big tobacco in a panic. Which is why they are buying so many laws against vaping as well as lying news articles.
>>721328596 Keep telling him all of your fucked up fetishes until he snaps and says one's disgusting then call him an intolerant bigot. Work your way up from stomping on peanut butter to jar full of wasps in the pooper.
>>721331435 Degree? Dude it's a popular book. Going to college for anything at all leads to a good chance of having to read it. Because it is really damn relevant to the ideas that shaped our society. Save all that booty bothered for where it might actually matter.
>>721329783 Then pick a better topic. Because on this issue he's right. I assume you are in America, where the Harm Principle is pretty much the ideal behind our love of "freedom". So pull your head out of your ass and move on.
>>721337052 very funny you dirty fucker. you have no idea. one day they'll decide you're crazy based on NOTHING and you'll be Joseph K, a criminal who has committed no crime, you'll be imprisioned, tied down, drugged into oblivion and left to rot. and if they made a mistake? no of course they couldn't, even though the current DSM would never make me a fucking pariah, one doctor made one decision once and now I'm FUCKED
>>721341283 /b/ is not a coherent entity. Anonymous is not a person. The real racists never got the joke and took it all at face value, but there were always a few of them. There's no "real /b/" to fight back against them. They are us now.
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