Prove to me that God exists without using circular logic, metaphors,

>>720808437
fuck the bible and fuck religion. its fucking retarded

>>720808437

There's definite proof that there's something after death.

Look up "shared near death experiences".

>>720808437
Here's a hint:

Nobody cares.

Search God up on Rule 34.
If it exists, there's bound to be porn of it.

>>720808585
you mean the rush of dmt in your head?

>>720808587
>>720808525

Wew lad

>>720808770
>>720808770

Nigger, did you not even read what I said?

SHARED NDE's. Not just NDE's.

Multiple people having the same "DMT" experience at the time of near death.

>>720808585
you mean being a fag?

>>720808603
gave me a good chuckle

>>720809164

>HURRRRR GET IT GUISE BECAUSE GAYS HAV AIDS N EACH TGIME U FUK U GETG AIDS

Kill yourself.

>>720808437
Heil Hitler

>>720808437
Look down. What do you see?
>feet
>hands
>torso
>legs
>penis

You were made in god's image. If you say otherwise then you are delusional.
The brilliance of it all is fantastic. I wish you could see him like I do.

>>720808843
Oh shit! Also, read:
>Ghost stories
>African prince waiting to award you $100 M.
and
>Go Fuck Yourself

You're a gullible little shit dick, aren't ya?

>>720809335
The bait is strong with this one.

>>720809335
I see a man sucking my asshole.

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>>720808603

>>720809378

>still not even researching legitimate proof

I bet you suck dick at parties.

>>720808437
You are the reason I know God exists.

I'm not going to spoonfeed an ignorant bastard that aint even trying to search the light by himself. All I know is that I've found into everything the vast oceans of the infinite and I am now inspired by the feeling that while it's an enormously tricky question, this whole world might make sense beyond what we can percieve, as if arranged by an architect at least as great as the universe itself.

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>>720809446
>Tells someone to "research" something
>Cites no source
and
>Legitimate proof
>4chan post

>>720808437

are you saying you can prove God exists using circular logic, metaphors, or the bible?

lmaoggwp

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>>720809567
cool d00d

God is the latest name mankind has given to all creation. Everything in existence, every multiverse, every truth and action, every willfully thought and feeling felt by a living creature is God. Religious texts make more sense when you realize they were pitifully trying to convey metaphors by which we can understand our place in existence.

>>720808437
I'm personally not a Jesus freak but inexplicable shit happens all the time so I'm pretty open minded. When this topic comes up, a good go-to response is to ask a person to disprove God.

>>720808437
God put you here to test my faith, that's how I know, sheltered anon

God exists if this post ends in 3.

>>720808437
If you knew anything about science you would know that the universe had a beginning. If it had a beginning then there had to be something there to cause it. Shit doesn't just happen for no reason. God fucking exists you faggot atheist.

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>>720809727
1. Lots of things happened that did not have explanations before but now do -- tides, the stars, etc.
2. Asking a person to disprove God is actually a poor response. The burden of proof lies with the party making the claim. If I said you raped me, you neither have the burden to prove that you didn't nor do we "meet half way" or anything if neither one of us can prove it.

>>720809910
Using your own logic then, who created God?

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>>720808603
Nice one

>>720809910
If you knew anything about circular logic then you'd know that religion is usually the sole proprietor of it.
>Muh Gawd said so!

>>720808843
same as people having same trips after most psychedelics

>>720809875
Hallelujah!

>>720809997
He is eternal; no beginning, no end. Checkmate, atheist.

>>720809955
That's kind of circular.No matter what, a person is making a claim. A person is either claiming that there is no God, or that there is. In this case, you're claiming that there is no God. Wouldn't the burden of proof rest on your shoulders?

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>>720808437
ez god is the higgs bosson particles a.k.a the god particle.

I genuinely believe god is a non-sentient energy form. All that hippie bullshit about him interfering with humanity is bull.

If there is a god, he's probably not aware or uninterested in humanity.

When I started looking into the higgs boson particle, it was the closest thing I could find to "god".

At the end I feel like I closely fall in line with agnostic atheism and do feel like that's what all people should believe in.

However I do feel these fictional books written by power hungry humans are humanities worst creation ever.

You should always, always respect people's believes wether factual or fictional and never press your own believes on them. Wether you believe in allah, budha, the cookie monster or nothing at all. Don't look down upon others and show respect to each other. As long as you keep your believes to yourself and cause no harm, i'm fine by it.

>>720810074
Not the guy you replied to but what are you trying to say? That psychedelics affect people in a similar way in general? Or that two people who trip together often have similar trips?

>>720810144
To become eternal is to become something.
To become something is to have a beginning.
To have a beginning is to have a propulsion.
To have a propulsion is to have an external force give you purpose.
To have a purpose is to eat shit and die.
As can your garbage logic.

>>720808843
>Multiple people having the same "DMT" experience at the time of near death.
We all have the same basic instincts, our brains work the same way. Of course there would be patterns

>>720808585
Let me tell you how these "presumed" SNDEs" actually are.

The brain has a "memory bank", a part of the brain that processes memories. Memories are used by the brain, not to memorize, but to help predict the future, and for preferences to make life easier.
This is one of the reasons, you sometimes remember things incorrectly. Because the sole purpose of the "memory bank" is to produce predicitons on what to come.

The same with NDEs. The brain will use parts of your memories, trying to find something to reference to in order to find a solution to your incident. If you and the person near you are suffering the same NDE, then your brains might just try to use similar materials, making your NDEs extremely similar. And there we have a shared near death experience.

This is also the reason why a lot of people, don't share NDEs.

>>720810144
Just because our particular universe had a beginning, I can just as easily claim then the multi-verse is eternal with no beginning or end. No God necessary.

>>720810145
Proving the affirmative != proving the negative. (a) The burden of proof lies with someone making the affirmative claim, not the negative.
(b) You can logically support the absence of God even further because...
(i) Non-theists have evidence of absence for the divine.
(ii) Theists have an absence of evidence for the divine.

>>720810421
>Memories are to help you predict the future and not so you can remember things

>>720810403
Who said he became eternal? He always existed, that's what eternal means. One day you will open your mind and discover the truth.

>>720808843
Stop being 16.

>>720810633
Yeah, most people say there's proof in the form of scientific evidence that they've never laid their own eyes on. Taking information from a book or study written by someone they've never met as fact without actually seeing for themselves. Sound familiar?

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>>720809335
nice feet

>>720810699
>Truth

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHH!!!! Tell it again anon!!

>>720808437
I raise you Alder's Razor. If something cannot be settled by experiment or observation, then it is unworthy of debate.

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>>720808437
I have a very simple proof for the existence of God which was given to me by a philosophy professor. The Egyptians believed that the Sun was God. Look up. See that big, round, bright thing in the sky? God exists, QED.

Of course, this is simply a demonstration that God is not a theological problem but a linguistic one. You can make God exist or not-exist just by changing your definition and the shape of your outline around God. This suggests that God is simply irrelevant, which was what the Gautama Buddha taught. When asked whether the gods exist, Gautama said that if the question occurs to you, you've already made an error in logic.

>>720810762
No. This sounds like gobbledygook, mate. What are you on about?

>>720809335
I also wish I could see him like you do! I think hallucinating from time to time is fun. Probably helps with swallowing those children's stories about giants and conscious angry burning bushes.

>>720810699
Dubs so he's right.

>>720810944

The sun is a hydrogen ball, it's not a deity.

>>720810671
That is true. Past experiences, used for future ones. It's an easy concept.
A lot of things we do, habits and such, are shaped by memories and past experiences. We might not even remember the memory that shaped this habit, but the brain knows it, and that's why we do it.
It's a similar concept to Pavlovs dogs.

>>720811046
Grownups are talking here. Go play cowadoody or something.

>>720808437
>>720810921

The only real intellectuals ITT.

>>720810950
You said that non-theists have proof that there is no God. A large portion of people make this claim as well without ever seeing said evidence themselves. They take information written by a person that they've never met and take it as fact without ever seeing said evidence with their own eyes. Sounds like faith to me. In essence it's like reading a Bible and taking the information in it as fact.

>>720811046
I like your equally pragmatic and succinct style, my friend.

>>720810992
God blessed me with those dubs because he knows I speak the truth.

>>720808437
Honestly I wish I could be religious. At least then my life would have a point.

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>>720810992
>non-sequitur

>>720811140

> Grownups are talking here. Go play cowadoody or something

Nice immature response as well as not an argument.

>>720811218

Thanks anon, I enjoy metaphors but they try and play word games.

>>720811574
>non-sequitur
You say that, but I get the feeling that you yourself are the type to claim that there is evidence against something without ever seeing it for yourself. Yet when other people do the same thing, you shame their beliefs.

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>>720811195
(1) I did not say non-theists have proof, I said they have evidence. Proof makes the argument irrefutable; evidence simply supports an argument.

(2) There's two flavors of "faith." One is the kind that says "I don't need proof to believe in said thing" and the other reads "I don't even need evidence to believe in said thing." Ex. I have faith (the former) my wife won't cheat on me. I can't prove it, but I have enough character evidence from the last several years to believe it. If I we're to use the latter definition of faith, I would say, "I don't have faith that my wife won't cheat on me, but I do have evidence that she won't and that's good enough for me." Gnostic theists subscribe to their dogma entirely and will have faith (the latter) in their deity(ies).

(3) The only thing you said is some people believe things they have yet to witness evidence for themselves that aren't theologically related and some have. That just proves people have faith for varying subjects and situations, not that somehow a God must exist.

>>720811741
On the contrary, after reading through the thread, I'm with this >>720810921 anon, since for all intents and purposes, it seems to be the most logical. Nice assumptions, faggot.

>>720811585
>>720811218
You\re both fucking imbeciles. You'd be laughed out of a philo 101 class. Your idiot "common sense" arguments are Dunning-Kruger stupidity. I don't even know how the fuck I'd argue with you since you clearly have no clue about very basic philosophical concepts like the difference between representation and the thing-in-itself, Chomskyan linguistics, or archetypal psychology.

sorry ton piss on your chips m8y but ive died 3 times once in the car and twice on the operating table......their isn't a god.

>>720808437
If 1+1=2 then God exists,
Necessarily 1+1=2,
Therefore necessarily God exists

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>>720811953
Sorry, I just took classes like statistics, general physics, organic chemistry, calculus 3 and differential equations, and bullshit like that while I was in college. But cool d00d, enjoy your philosophical banter. By the sounds of it you would no doubt be able to best me in a serious debate. Unfortunately, this is /b/, therefore, here's some fucking pee porn XD

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>>720810415

>>720811760
My intention was never to prove that God exists. Replace the word "proof" with "evidence" and my point remains the same. People tend to take what they want to believe as fact without needing to go out and see for themselves. Whether it's science or religious faith, very few people actually seek to go out and examine whatever evidence they think exists with their own eyes.

>>720811953

> You\re both fucking imbeciles

Not a premise but an insult.

> You'd be laughed out of a philo 101 class

An incorrect argument from authority.

> Your idiot "common sense" arguments are Dunning-Kruger stupidity.

This is as well,only with the sun example only you're trying to change the definition so that the word is more vague. I wouldn't call this "common sense."


> I don't even know how the fuck I'd argue with you since you clearly have no clue about very basic philosophical concepts like the difference between representation and the thing-in-itself, Chomskyan linguistics, or archetypal psychology.

Not sure what Chomsky or Jung has to do with you trying to churn together a word salad of mystical nonsense. Do you have evidence for a deity or another supernatural claim or do you not?

>>720812347

This is as well, only with the sun example you're trying**

>>720812102

> If 1+1=2 then God exists

I don't agree with your premise. What now?

>>720812329
I 100% agree with that statement right there. However, your more succinct version of that originated here:
>>720810762
which was written to refute this:
>>720810633

With that, I don't see how your comment of "people tend to take what they want to believe as fact without needing evidence in science or religion..." is supposed to supplement or repudiate my comment you tagged.

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>>720812347
>mystical nonsense
More Dunning-Kruger stupidity. In the Aristotlian model there are three ways of obtaining knowledge about the world: empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, the application of pure rationalism is philosophy, and the application of pure revelation is mysticism. All three are required for holistic understanding. But of course, your "common sense" SCIENCE GOOD stupidity trumps everything else because you're simply not bright enough to understand anything more complex that a fucking Mythbusters explosion.

I don't know why the fuck I bother. Once upon a time /b/ used to have some intelligent contributors, but these days it's 14 year old fedora enthusiasts and idiot Trumplorables.

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>>720812347
Fucking laying it down again. I like you, guy.

>>720809727
The most anti religious people were Stalin and mao. Even if you aren't religious you should thank people like pope John Paul 2 for fighting comminists, and shia. Muslims like assad for fighting isis. Being atheist. Is just. For being edgy like grind core metal lovers. Or science lovers who don't Acknolodge any Christian astronomers. Or Muslim scientists..

>>720808437
god created us. I know because creation exists. Therefore sentience had existed before creation.

>>720808437
OP's question makes no sense. If God were to exist his Being would be delineated and not divine. That's why proper theology speaks of God as the Ground of Being.

Thnx, this thread can be closed now.

Religionfags: why do we have vestigial third eyelids? Why do we have vestigial tailbones? Why do we still have body hair? Why do we have appendixes that can rupture and kill us? Why do we have wisdom teeth that can impact and kill us? Why do we have an instinctual aversion to high pitched sounds? Why do we have a goosebump reflex? Why do we share such similar aesthetic features with primates? Care to know why? It's because those are things evolution still hasn't gotten around to getting rid of yet. It's because evolution is a fact. Not a theory. A fact. Evolution by natural selection? That has not been proven. But evolution? That has been proven. It's time to get your head out of your ass. It's time to grow up. There's a reason you stopped believing in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

>>720812645
For a moment I thought that was another Drumpf meme. Kek, it should be.

>>720808437
That's kind of the point. Belief in a God is based on faith, something that inherently requires a lack of absolute proof

>>720812645

>More Dunning-Kruger stupidity

You haven't proven your self cabale of 'knowing' something that other humans are aware of. Please place your ego to the side for two seconds and either propose a claim or support it with evidance.

> In the Aristotlian model there are three ways of obtaining knowledge about the world: empiricism, rationalism, and revelation. The application of pure empiricism is science, the application of pure rationalism is philosophy, and the application of pure revelation is mysticism.

He also believed in blood letting and multiple deities. Philosophy got Incorporated into science by becoming we now call the hypothesis. A million ideas written on paper is worth the value of a single experiment. "Mysticism" on the other hand is poorly defined and the real argument you want to make.

> "SCIENCE GOOD"

Is never a claim I made because facts are not 'good' or 'bad.' They stand alone whether an observe is present or not.


> I don't know why the fuck I bother. Once upon a time /b/ used to have some intelligent contributors, but these days it's 14 year old fedora enthusiasts and idiot Trumplorables.

And one day maybe you'll take the fedora off your own head.

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>>720812645
(1) "Mystical nonsense" guy shot you down scientifically pretty good, here:
>>720811046
empirical knowledge obtained!

(2) "Mystical nonsense" guy shot you down rationally pretty well here:
>>720812347
philosophical knowledge obtained!

(3) You cite the Aristolian model for obtaining knowledge with a false premise that this is somehow the "correct" way of obtaining knowledge. I acquired that via divine mysticism. Pure revelation knowledge obtained!

I am now holistic as fuck and you can check out my pee porn. k thnx

Simulation Theory:

Technology is allowing us to progressively improve the kinds of simulations we are capable of producing (prime example of current simulation capabilities are pretty much video games). As long as technology continues to improve over time it is not unfathomable that we as humans would eventually gain the ability to create an accurate simulation of an earth environment. (Approximately 50-150 years in the future)

If you can accept the logic of this eventuality then you must accept the possibility that we currently reside in a simulation created by the 'original' earth. I think this is pretty much the most logical explanation for a possible God/ grand design.

>>720810762
You're about as retarded as they come. The whole point behind the scientific method is to create results that can be verified and reproduced.

>>720810633
Using logic doesn't work, the jesus suckers don't seem to understand it and simply continue to use their circular arguments, and the trolls just don't have the intellectual desire or synaptic ability to appreciate and put up a decent rebuttal.

>>720808437
Wake up. Transcend the control matrix.
It is not the existence of God you want the proof of. You want the reason why humans exist in the first place and what else is there.

>>720812842
Religion does not abide curiosity and thought. It can all be explained away with "God made it so". Everything. I don't know why autists still make these threads and participate in them so fervently other than to rile faggot up.

>>720813061
TFW science guy shuts down a philosophical debate with philosophy guy using his own schticks,

>>720810921
Agreed to an extent. If only so much of mans actions and motivations weren't dictated by it. Perhaps a better debate would be to ask, "Because theist's can't empirically show proof of a God, why do they continue to let his mythos dictate their lives?".

>>720813337
>>720813145
>>720813061
Congratulations, I give up. You have successfully convinced me that none of you have an IQ above the Plimsoll line and I am wasting my time. Good day.

>>720813620

And you end with a nothing insult.

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>>720813620
Well you're wasting your time with me, definitely. But the other guy seems to genuinely shut you down quite handily.

>>720810944
I see what you're getting at and OP should have changed generic God to: "Christian God as viewed by most Christians".

prove that math exists outside the human mind

Protip: You can't

>>720813620
Somebody desperately wants to validate his/her liberal arts degree in Philosophy.

Here's the thing anon, we need Philo people because they tend to wonder and end up asking the questions that mystify us all and need answering. It's the science people that use method, research, and experimentation to actually answer those questions. These facts stand on their own regardless of any one persons opinion. Sadly there are individuals like yourself who are so far down the rabbit hole, they can't even recognize their cognitive dissonance.

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Obligatory Epicurus quote that logically disproves a benevolent God, that every dipshit thinks they can counter with a one-liner.

>Muh free will tho

>>720813927
Even among christers there's a huge range in definitions for God, from the Ataman-like God-head of Meister Eckhart to the physically-embodied God of the Mormons.

>>720808437
>prove god exists without the best relevant evidence

Why do you idiots keep falling for this shit-tier bait?

>>720808437
>>>720808437
>
>There's definite proof that there's something after death.
>
>Look up "shared near death experiences".

You mean "There's definite proof that there's something near death."

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>>720808437
Prove me that aliens exist. You cant!

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God is right here

>>720814321
Circular logic, metaphors, or the Bible. To you those are relevant evidence? You are super fucking retarded.

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>>720808437
We, as humans, have Telos.

Therefore god, in some form, exists.

>>720814128
they exist, trump's building a wall to keep 'em out, remember?

>>720814321
What this guy >>720814535 said.

Please enlighten us on what you seem to think is the "best relevant evidence". I need a chuckle.

>>720808437
Can I use alternative Facts?

>>720814535
You don't think circular logic, metaphors, or the Bible are evidence? You are super fucking retarded.

>>720814578
Sorry to interrupt, but did he actually say that?

>>720813145
holy god this girl looks beyond amazing. that's the only god i need. just to say that. you don't have any more do you? she is beautiful...

If op asks us to not use circular logic, then I must ask if OP adheres to logic? If he does, then what is the basis for logic? Is it not logic itself? Doesn't that seem a bit.. circular?

>>720814680
>>720814535 it's me
I would also love to hear what this fag deems "best relevant evidence". I'm sure it'll be a riot.

>>720814747
Because they are not. You actually think there are talking snakes? Sentient burning bushes? Bring me one. I'd like to see it.

>>720814128
Epicurus takes a lot of risk with his absolute words. Just because hypothetical God is unwilling to prevent evil, does not immediately follow that they are malevolent, for example. There are many things we are able to do, but are often unwilling for a variety of reasons: Fear, laziness, curiosity, and of course including, but not exclusively, malevolence, etc.. Never take everything in ye olden days you read as fact, we have the agency to think and we would do well to try to look beyond the surface and analyze these arguments before using them as absolute refutations. However, it's still very solid.

>>720814755
>Sorry to interrupt, but did he actually say that?

what has /b/ become?

>>720808843
Yea, it's a hallucination that happens to be similar to other peoples NDEs. Also in mass hysteria events where people claim they saw they same thing but nothing was there people only claimed it was the same because other people were describing it the same way. This is no different

>>720808437
No one can prove whether he does or dosnt, youre to meaningless and space and possibilites or even IMpossibilities (our perception) are too huge for anyone to understand, there could be some sort of god out there so incomprehesibly powerfull theres fuck all you can do or say to disprove that, or theit COULD be nothing, notice the emphasis on could since its highly improbable both a 'god like' being dosnt exist and that what we percieve as god is Probably wrong, by probably i mean the chances of christianity or islam or whatever the fuck being spot on is so improbable there probably isnt even a number for it

>>720809335
You're the one sounding delusional here. You just used severely disjointed logic

>>720813974
Prove to me that you're not a sentient tapeworm dwelling in the rectal cavity of Hitler circa 1942 capable of communicating to your future

Protip: You can't

>>720814755
Yes.

>>720815137
Prove God exists without using disjointed or circular logic and without the bible

>>720813974
Take one pencil, and jam it into your eye.

2-1 =1 therefore math exists, as you have on eye left.

>>720815111
It*

Do not dare misgender the great Slanesh!

>>720808437
Existence
I thought god created all that exists so u just leave it at that, don't ask anymore thats ungrateful, the rest purely our problems

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I have tons of her, my friend. here too:
>>720813773
>>720812693
>>720812159

>>720809792
What circular and echo chamber like logic LOL

>>720808437
> Something is born
> Grows up
> Gets pregnant or makes mate pregnant
> Baby pops out
> Cycle continues

So let me ask a valid question. If you go all the way back even to atoms and molecular structures, what ended up creating those things?

You mean to tell me something came from nothing? They just existed this whole time?

But that doesn't make sense. There had to be something that sparked all of this.

>>720815340
Please come up with some method of marking which posts are yours from here on out so the rest of us know to instantly ignore them. Thank you.
You lack the intelligence required to contribute to this topic.

>>720815451
Cellular fucking mitosis

>>720808585
>>720808843
how bout u provide the links to peer-reviewed studies on this, instead of telling me to "google" it?
and even, if they were magic, they dont prove god

>>720808437
How did all the matter and energy in the universe come to be? It's literally impossible according to science.

>>720809910
The difference between Religion and Science is that Religion twists the evidence to suit its singular idea of God, and Science adopts the evidence to continuously evolve its understanding. I wonder which of these are actually allowing you all this information, safety, comfort and luxury in your life right now.

>>720815451
What if there was no beginning? What if the Big Bang is a perpetual motion machine? Black holes absorb other black holes, supermassive black holes absorb supermassive black holes. Then it's down to one fucking gigantic black hole that collapses further onto itself. Then it's far too hot and energetic, then, boom. Another Big Bang. What has no beginning, can have no end. I know, it's probably garbage. But that's the best I can come up with.

Everything that is in motion has been set in motion by something already in motion. It's a simple law of physics. Either there was a first source of motion which defied the laws of physics or there has always been motion, in which case the unfathomable concept of infinity is a reality.

>>720815530
So how that first cell come to be?

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The god emperor is the only god you need! PRAISE THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND!

>>720815671
/thread

>>720815825
Then the big bang is our god. Well in theory at least.

>>720814755
i am going to say not because that would mess up your eyes to stare at the sun for that long. besides he is an athiest. 1-7 and 7 is an athiest, i would say he's a 6.999 just because you can't prove it. same with me but i have just jumped to a 7 because there is no reason not to. if i see a good reason not to be a 7, i will adjust...but i will wait for it. i won't go out looking for it because i have looked at all possible religions and the only one that makes sense is nothing

>>720815844
Carbon or some other elements came together to form the first cell

>>720815924
Yup. People tend to just glaze over the obvious. What if there never was a beginning?

>>720808437
Watch episodes of "The Young Pope".

>>720808437
Prove The Big Bang Theory without scientific evidence

>>720816222
Lol. Cites a religious film. The challenge is you can't use your religion to try and prove it lol

>>720816062
Where did that come from?

> Point is you keep going simpler and simpler until you reach a point where something came from nothing.

>>720815671
Well stated. I've said something similar many times over, especially when the anti science jesus suckers try to exclaim that something has been disproven via further experimentation. Science, at its purest form, is self correcting. Not for any reason other than to know the data is correct. I've yet to see anyone in the religious community state that tests have shown the interpretation of the bible was wrong and every theist needs to understand the new data. The irony there is how often the bible flip flops on things.

>>720815348
may the /b/ible be with you. (not the real bible, fuck that noise)

>>720813061
You sir are an idiot.
> Is never a claim I made because facts are not 'good' or 'bad.' They stand alone whether an observe is present or not.
Even science has proven otherwise.

Not the same poster you replied to, btw

>>720816091
If there was never a beginning, then our concept of time is pretty fucked up. Suggests we don't understand much at all. Can't rule God out or prove existence

>>720816291
Because you make it that way in your own mind. What I believe happens is that eventually the whole universe will be sucked into a single point by black holes that have over time migrated to each other and merged and when it's sucked into such a small point it will be of Infiniti's male mass and energy and all of that energy will simply explode back outwards and the cycle will begin anew

>>720816283
A.) not a film. It's a new series on HBO starring Jude law
B.) It's about as anti-religious as you can get.

>>720815601
its not Hawking found a away

>>720815601
it didnt come to be. It was always there

>>720816496
Might try it but what relavence does it have to the discussion at hand then? So

>>720816551
No he didn't. He said matter is eternal

>>720815451
Where's the
> Profit
step??

>>720816397
Sure I can. Evolution. Religion implies creation. Not trial and error. Evolution proves trial and error. See my post above
>>720812842
Can't prove existence though. But neither can you. You cannot prove that you are real, and conscious. Those are the hard questions of consciousness. Even harder since we are communicating through text. I could be an A.I. for all you know. Or you could be. We could both just be A.I. smart enough to solve the reCAPTCHA.

>>720815451
Natural environments, from a couple billion years ago, have been proven to make amino acids, if with lightning acting as a sort of catalyst.

>>720816291
The origin of life is not fully understood, but there's good evidence for some of the steps, e.g. phospholipids will spontaneously form cell shapes, and RNA is capable of catalyzing certain reactions, including RNA synthesis, so the spontaneous origin of life is not that big a problem.

>>720816968
Evolution? It's that simple huh? The unfathomable concept of infinity exists and you think you have all of existence figured out? No way there's a God huh?

>>720813773

Sexy

>>720817227
Yup. I do. Evolution is a fact. A scientific fact.
Do you know what religion says? It says that we just happened to be created. My tailbone and vestigial third eyelid say differently. Try again. retard.

>>720808437
>not realizing the bogbros are the real gods
>not realizing the bogbros are the sons of mohammed
>not realizing the bogbros wrote the bible and torah
>not realizing the bogbros were pythagoras teachers
>not realizing the bogbros are love
>not realizing the bogbros are life

>>720808437
>telling people to prove that something that is solely based on personal faith exists

gud b8 m8

>>720808437
Alright, first we must define what constitutes as a god in our case a god can be either malevolent nor malevolent however a god must have omnipotence and omniscience. now assuming that we are able to simulate words with sentient AI, AI able to think for themselves and learn, then man is most likely a god a shitty apathetic god that created a shit simulator for unknowable reasons

>>720817384
religion =/= god

>>720811953
Nigga get them big words outta here. Tryn b all learnt n shit. U ain't my Master.

>>720817384
also y r u mad

>>720817384
That depends on how take the bible.
Literally or liberally.
The bible is inspired by Christian beliefs and morals. It is not the word of God; it is the word of some anonymous guy

>>720817660
Religion= belief in a deity, ergo, a god. Try again, retard.

>>720817907
Buddhism
Try again

>>720817862
At what point did I mention the bible, or Christian beliefs or morals? Oh yeah, I didn't. I said religion. You projected that with your straw man. Try again.

Could god create a stone so big he couldnt lift it? If he could then he could then there is something he couldnt do and If he couldnt lift it he is not omnipotent.

>>720808603
/thread

>>720818008
Buddhism is not a religion. Try again retard.

>>720818048
Christianity comes under religion you dumb fuck

>>720808437
First the rush of DMT to your head causes you to hallucinate and because most people when dying think they will meet God and because of the years of being brainwashed your brain will make the hallucination look like god and thus you will thing you have met god. Look up dmt trips, most of the trips have meeting with extraterrestrial beings

herpa derp lets pretend to be deep by arguing something that cant be proven or disproven, but ponder this....only two ways to get something from nothing (big bang) divinity or computer simulation

>>720818126
Are you retarded
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

How can god be real if our eyes arent real

>>720817227
Nothing is infinite. Not even the universe

Prove to me that does'nt God exist without using circular logic, metaphors, or the bible.

Protip: You can't.

Everything is infinite

>>720818149
Ok. So what is the word of god? You seem to know it. Enlighten us, retard.

>>720818392
Then explain the finite space in my bedroom or the finite amount of memory on my hard drive. Better yet if everything is infinite why do we have to manage memory on our devices?

Hahaha. OP wins. None can prove god without using circular logic, metaphors, or the bible. Today, OP was a faggot. But OP was a winning faggot. Well done OP.>>720808437
Bravo!

>>720808603
Every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. Similarly everything that exists has a porn about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean that everything that has a porn about it exists.

>>720818386
Lol. You just copied and pasted that whole thing and thus rendered your whole argument moot. One can't use the Bible if they already don't use it since they don't buy into that crap lol

>>720818244
Second definition of religion. Are you retarded?

>>720815451

okay but if there is a God, where did he come from? Nowhere?

>>720818413
I just said Christianity is an interpretation of a set of beliefs and morals, that is, vaguely or not, followed by 2 billion people.
(I'm not a Christian,or religious; I just think arguing anti-theism is gay.)

>>720808437
Fuck why am I even here? /b/ turns more autistic by the day with fewer and fewer exceptions, just look at the thread you've created OP. I hope you're happy.

>>720818704
You are 12. Are you retarded?

>>720816496
eh, i wouldn't say it's anti religious but it's a good show because it deals with religion like it is.

>>720808437
These arguments are pointless it is impossible to disprove the theory that god exists, just as it's also impossible to prove he doesn't. You faggots are wasting your life arguing whether or not there is a creator, go out and talk to a girl or something.

>>720818932
Same to you anon

>>720818932
Lead by example newfag

>>720818780
Argumentum ad populum. Try again.
>>720818834
Thank you. You have no more points to make. Enjoy your brainwashing.

>>720810671
Yes thats how we're able to plan things out, you not understanding science isnt a reason for god existing

>>720818846
Religion as it is is hilarious. So much double think and circular thought

>>720819032
I don't.
I'm not religious.
Read.

>>720815451
We don't have all the data to derive a conclusion about what caused everything yet - that's the difference. Scientists (rational scientists, not the pseudo-intellectuals on /b) do not arrogantly proclaim to have all the answers with nothing else to back it up. When a scientist knows they cannot draw further conclusions from present knowledge, they try other methods, advance required technologies, or try to apply current knowledge in new ways to obtain more and more facts and data. We're -looking- and changing the theories to fit the facts independent of themselves in all of the ways we can observe them. And it works. We successfully make predictions about the world around us, about the tools we use, about how to build a house and make sure it stands for several lifetimes, about why ships float buoyantly in the water, about the genetic traits you can expect from the product of two compatible organisms, because of it. Religion does not do that, that's the difference.

>>720819032
And what's wrong with conforming.

Foe example, I wish I was a normie again

>>720819003
>>720818977
Did I touch a nerve? way to out yourselves as beta fat fucks

>>720819601
>Same to you anon
My tone did seem quite aggressive

>>720808437
1/2
to Americans god is Yahweh, to Indians he is Vishnu. The truth does not act this way, in America 2+2=4, in India, and in the Arab world 2+2 is also 4. Why cant god's possible existence, be as clear as a simple math problem. If god's existence, and which idea of god is correct matters, why wouldn't god expose the truth to all of us, in a clear and infallible way?
Well, if the Abrahamic God exists, then He needs to be told a few things. The things He needs to be told, in turn tells us volumes about His true nature: that God’s specific type of localized old world ignorance curiously coincides with the localized old world ignorance of those who told us of Him. Furthermore, Billions of people claim to “know” God. How could they all be wrong? Simple. Just listen to them. If ten people claim to know your friend Jimmy, yet they all describe Jimmy in different, incompatible ways, then either they don’t know Jimmy, or Jimmy has been doing some lying.
The argument i often here next revolves around morality, so to you i pose a question. That question is “is murder wrong because it's wrong, or is it wrong because god says it's wrong. if it's wrong because it's wrong morality doesn't require god but if it's wrong because god says it's wrong morality requires god.”
This is perhaps due to plain ignorance or emotional bias, many religious folks think and spout divine command theory as if it hadn’t been soundly defeated thousands of years ago. The funny result is that theists are often operating under the misapprehension that atheists cannot account for morality, when in actuality, it’s exactly the reverse. Now id like to say, God does have a creator, but it might not be who you think it is. Ironically, it was God who was intelligently designed - not us. I'd like to end by saying If the Abrahamic God is real, then He cares more about the rapist's freedom to rape, and the murderer's freedom to murder, than He cares about the lives of their victims.

>>720819601
"Touch a nerve" is a metaphor! Reread the OP then leave the thread!

>>720818932
>>720819601
>tosses a drop of water into a sea of piss expecting clarity

>>720819807
2/2
Why would god make the vast majority of the universe completely uninhabitable, and to that extent why would he bother making the rest of the universe at all if humankind and the earth are the sole focus of his creation?
Why would god after having created the universe wait 9 billion years to create the earth, then proceed to wait another 4 billion years before humans were able to be created?
Or if you don't subscribe to the idea that the universe is older than six thousand years. Why would god create all animals with the same fundamental building blocks as if they were all related through a common ancestor, despite the fact that this is detrimental to certain species; why would he not create each species from an individual starting point and furthermore, why would god give animals so many vestigial structures (features which no longer serve the purpose that they were originally intended for.) For example, why are 80% of a dolphin's olfactory receptor genes inactive, why do men have nipples, and why do humans experience goosebumps if you can't explain these things through evolution?
If god is omniscient then he knows the future and he knew from the start that one day he would be wiping out the majority of the human species save noah and his family; so why would god not just begin with noah and his family?
Why has god only ever appeared to such a small selective group of people, and why hasn't he appeared again since; especially considering the dwindling of faith across the globe that we are currently experiencing?
Why would god prioritise his own ego in his commandments detailing precisely how he should be worshipped above the commandments not to murder, or steal?
Why would god not include a commandment for parents not to respect their children to go alongside the commandment for children to respect their parents?

>>720808437
god is real his name is Darkseid

>>720819977
3/2? im having fun now
Why would god allow satan to exist, if he can eliminate the devil and he doesn't want to then he has malicious intent, but if he can't eliminate the devil, then he's impotent, so which is it?
Why would god harden the heart of the pharaoh of the book of exodus, to then punish the pharaoh with plagues for having a hardened heart?
Why would god create a son to send to earth who's destined to be merciless tortured and brutally crucified in order to forgive the sin of man, when he could have just forgiven the sin of man? Perhaps my thoughts are more coherent if you realize God wasn't able to forgive before jesus, god almighty can’t do something a normal human can do, nice omnipotence there god. So his solution to this problem, was take a magical sperm, impregnate someone's virgin wife, have a son who's also god. This son will then grow up to be a righteous, bastard, bachelor, rape child, carpenter, magician, rabbi, and prophet. Then jesus had to do a bunch of magic tricks so people know he's god, though this means David Copperfield is also a prophet. His IRL fish and bread copy paste tier magic will then provoke the romans to killing him/god. After three days of being dead he then came back to life then he went to heaven somehow still alive. TO CHILL WITH GOD FOR ETERNITY! Which apparently makes god forgive all of you, gee wonder why i don't believe this crap.

>>720820107
4/2?? yea its just gonna continue like this

The plain and simple truth about your religion, is that it's a farce. Created by those who needed a light guide them in a bleak life filled with disease, and premature death. A godlike entity is only needed when fear and meaninglessness erupt throughout a population. We don't live in that population, god only exists because fallible humans told us of his many triumphs and feats. We take them without evidence, not even partial evidence. God is a farce because his texts preach morality, but not today's morality. Instead it's the old world ignorance of the ideas and notions of a population marred with violence, and unnecessary hatred. Theism is a farce because it preys on those who can't believe in themselves, those who need an ethereal, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnihypocritical, man who will keep score and give you the ultimate incentives after your death. His draconian punishments of the worst possible pain for an eternity, are not moral. They are instead propaganda to scare those that would disbelieve. Theism, is simply children who never outgrew the stage of their life where they needed an imaginary friend with which to validate themselves. Theism, has no place in the society we live in now, it's time to see it for the falsehood it is, and dismantle the power it has over governments, and the common folk. it's finally time to grow a spine and burden our own problems, instead of turning to the “man with a plan”, his get rich quick schemeesque operation only shows that he's not intervening or helping you. For you, the one reading this right now, decide your own future, your life is yours alone. Your life is not a scam, your god or rather your ego is.

>>720808437
I believe in him and the only reality I can perceive is that of my own existence so as long as I exist he too exists within my reality.

>"hurr what if you're crazy?"
What if you are too?
>"but reality is objective"
Prove to me the reality I experience is not an elborate dream or a phantasm by some trickster devil
>"what is reality even?"
It doesn't really matter for this argument

>>720820229
5/2? i no longer have an excuse for doing this i just like making theists squirm.

Thanking God and saying prayers for yourself is arrogant and selfish. There are people in much worse situations than you. Why should you be a higher priority? Why are you so special? WHY? I'll tell you why. It's because your god is really nothing more than an extension of your own ego. The complete randomness of the world through it's politics, civilizations, and organisms. suggests that there is absolutely no scheme going on behind the scenes. If there is, however, then God is one scary motherfucker, deserving only fear - not praise. I say once again that a god who would create a world like this, is unfit to be a god, A god like this is simply your own ego trying to believe a lie.

>>720815348
I really really like these pictures. Can I save them?

>>720820315
ha now its time for an essay.
1/at least 5

Have you ever noticed that there’s a stunning correlation between a person’s place of birth and their religious affiliation? Have you ever noticed that there’s a stunning correlation between someone’s parent’s religious beliefs and their own? I can’t count the amount of times that upon asking a theist why they subscribe to a particular religion I’ve been met with the response of ‘well, that’s just because I was born into it’. It’s amazing how often times religious people can so effortlessly point out the flaws in the doctrines of others, yet fail entirely to apply precisely the same rudimentary critical thinking to their own faith.

>>720820406
2/at least 5
I used to respond to this assertion by trying to point out that it’s a logical fallacy, and that surely they can see how their faith is so obviously completely dependant upon their geography, but it never seems to get through. Why is this? Why are so many religious people so insular and dedicated, despite knowing that they only believe in their arbitrary god because they were canalised into doing so? Well, if you ask me, I think it’s attributable to the unwarranted privilege that religion is so often granted in public discourse; you can satirise and criticise someone’s politics, and that’s just a diversity of opinion, but God forbid you do the same thing to someone’s religious beliefs; because, well, then you’re just a bigot—how many times has someone been called a racist for voicing an opposition to the teachings of Islam?
If a Christian is asked why they believe in their god and they say that it's because they were brought up to, or they derive comfort from it, or they just feel as though it’s right, well that’s perfectly acceptable; why should anybody need to justify their beliefs? This is something I could almost get behind, but let’s not forget that it’s these beliefs which are infiltrating the politics of the masses and the education of children. If you want to argue that your religion should be taught in schools and that scientific evidence should be ignored in favour of ancient superstition, well then I’m sorry but you’re going to have to do a little better than that. Imagine if politicians were asked why they support a particular policy, and their response was that they were brought up to, or they derive comfort from it, or just feel as though it’s right. Would that be sufficient to anyone?

>>720820497
3/at least 5
Now of course if people keep their religions to themselves, then they shouldn’t necessarily be expected to justify their reasoning, that’s not what I’m trying to argue. I just wish that people wanted to. I wish that we could live in an educational environment which promotes skepticism and freedom of thought, one in which no ideology is held beyond the ability to criticise. One which expels bad ideas, promotes no particular religious dogma and teaches children that ‘yes, your beliefs are probably just fine but guess what? So are other people’s’. If this was a universal reality, albeit quite a quixotic one, don’t you think that radicalisation, religious authoritarianism and holy wars would be a thing of the past?