The Conservative vision for America is so fucking grim. I can't

Clinton was responsible for most of the financial deregulation, and Carter was the one who really got the deregulation ball rolling. Clinton and Carter also appointed some of the worst Fed Chairmen imaginable. Obama was responsible for bailing out the banks but only giving the most meager of bailouts to the people, and his health insurance overhaul is a handout to the health insurers. It's fine to hate on conservative (which is to say neoliberal) ideology, but the only alternative at the moment is third parties.

Very simple really. They want to dumb down and kill off the bottom 99%. If they dumb them down enough they'll support killing off the "dumb and poor".

My other speculation is that the country will be sold by Donald To another country and America will be no more.

>>720574288
Your perspective is biased and ignorant. But it is still better than a socialist hellscape.

>>720574288
sounds like you're just a pessimist, would you lighten up a little?

>>720574288
Who says that's "the Conservative Vision"?
Link to some proof

>>720574675
>sold
>Implying the Don will give up the opportunity to have secret service follow him around after he sells
It's physical reinforcement of his ego. He would never give up that visual cue of perceived value.

>>720574288
The vision isn't grim. You just lack foresight and the ability to see things objectively because you're a child who's allowed your thinking to be muddied by glad-handing politicians whom you believe support your narrow interests.

People just want the right to work, earn a living and support a family. People don't want their efforts to end up in the hands of the lazy, cheese-eating, welfare queen baby factories.

>>720574288
>I can't understand why anyone wants to live in a country with no worker's rights,

Unions that get too much power and get out of control are the problem. Take automotive unions for an example. Workers are getting paid like $20/hours with full benefits to put in 4 screws into a car. Do that kind of job warrant a $20/hour salary? No it does not...

>>720574675
>>720575435
>he sells.
was meant to be
>his term is finished.

>>720574975
Smug words with nothing to back them up here...

>>720574288
exactly whose conservative vision is this? you need to prove someone said this shit

>>720575476
But those people, can support a family. Companies do not treat employees properly otherwise, bottom line killing the union is killing the middle class, and the ability for an average joe to make a living.

The Liberal vision for America is so fucking grim. I can't understand why anyone wants to live in a country that disallows workers freedom i favor of unionized slavery, Government monopolies ripping us off, forcing healthy people to pay for unhealthy people's life choices, Colleges that teaches nothing but government approved opinions. Suppression of all Science that doesn't support Liberal ideology. Tax burden almost totally on the middle class, SJW zealots making law based on their beliefs. innovation stymied due to regulations that wants to cripple industries and make people jobless because innovation is considered more important than financial & social stability. Banning internet free speech and forcing people to pay for less successful websites because they don't want to compete over customers. Forcing government regulate to the schools, so socalist nuts can push for commoncore to ruin kid's education in favor of the welfare complex. Centralizing infrastructure, (which effectively kills all market innovation) Etc... Can anyone explain it without ranting about lefties, and snowflakes?

>>720575246
"child" here. The welfare queen argument has been thoroughly debunked as propaganda, .

>>720574288
Every single one or your concerns listed is utterly baseless and spoonfed to you by the media.

Im a worker and I voted for trump because I know how liberal globalization policies have effected me negatively. I have never been close to wealthy and I have always has insurance, which was cheaper and better before Obamacare. Monopolies and college debt have always existed. Your claim of suppression of science is mindless fear mongering. Taxing the hell out of the middle class is entirely the fault of liberal overspending. Zealotry is a fault of both sides, there is no difference between a religious zealot and an sjw zealot. Everything else is too ridiculous and fear based to comment on.

>>720575707
Oh, you mean like the OP?

>>720575436
"Child" here. the Welfare queen argument has long been debunked as propaganda.

>>720575476
So the answer is to do away with them entirely and give all the power to employers?

>>720575921
Except it hasn't.

Who told you that crap, John Stewart? John Oliver? Bill Maher?

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>>720575805
This man is amazing! You win all the remaining internets for the day. Everyone else may go home now.

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>>720575805
/thread right here.

Because people rather vote for a single party and follow blindly than take a fucking second to analyze what's best for the country or actual facts, not saying that conservatives think like op said but it is pretty close.

>>720575716
Are you joking? Killing unions, privatizing everything in sight, dumping the ACA, Subsidizing fossil fuels, while demonizing alternatives, ending net neutrality, promoting Christianity, cutting taxes on the rich is all standard republican party policy. They campaign on this shit, so what other proof are you looking for

>>720575805
Nice, though the only thing I would change is that the liberal vision requires a crushing tax burden on everyone, while the conservative vision requires as minimum a tax burden possible.

>>720574975
Or you know, we could have Capitalism counterbalanced by a bit of socialism to keep it in check. It doesn't have to be all one way or the other.

>>720574288
Before I start, let me say I hate the Right wing and Left wing equally. I dont fall into either.

These conservative billionaire assholes only ever cared about their own vision for wealth and power. The dont give a shit about foreigners migrating here, only because they never get to see any from their gated palaces.

Trump tricked the retarded masses by pretending to care and from now on, its corporate interests only.

I hope we get to cull right wingers after this administration. Hopefully most of them will die out from natural causes. But then we would be left with the liberal fairies and queers for the next century.

Fuck my life.

>>720576013
Jesus Christ. Not everything is "crap" being spouted from political pundits. Here's a few sources for you:

Hays, Sharon (2004). Flat Broke with Children: Women in the Age of Welfare Reform. Oxford University Press, USA. ISBN 0-19-517601-4.

Gilliam, Franklin (1999). "The 'Welfare Queen' Experiment: How Viewers React to Images of African-American Mothers on Welfare". Nieman Reports. 53 (2).

DeParle, Jason (7 April 2012), "Welfare Limits Left Poor Adrift as Recession Hit", The New York Times, retrieved 14 June 2016

The Mommy Myth: The Idealization of Motherhood and How It Has Undermined All Women. Free Press. p. 178. ISBN 0-7432-6046-5.

2012, John Blake, "CNN Politics", "Return of the 'Welfare Queen'"

Fialka, John (1976-02-09). "Reagan's stories don't always check out". Eugene Register-Guard.

"Bond on Wrong Address". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. 1977-03-26.

"Welfare queen gets two-six-year term". The Rochester Sentinel. 1977-05-13.

Levin, Josh (2013-12-19). "The Welfare Queen". Slate.

"'Welfare Queen' Becomes Issue in Reagan Campaign". New York Times. February 15, 1976. p. 51. Reprinted from The Washington Star.

Gilens, Martin (2000). "The News Media and the Racialization of Poverty". Why Americans Hate Welfare: Race, Media, and the Politics of Antipoverty Policy. Studies in Communication, Media, and Public Opinion. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press. pp. 102–32. ISBN 0-226-29365-3.

Adair, Vivyan Campbell. From Good Ma to Welfare Queen: A genealogy of the poor woman in American literature, photography and culture (Psychology Press, 2000).

Dow, Dawn Marie. "Negotiating 'The Welfare Queen' and 'The Strong Black Woman': African American Middle-Class Mothers’ Work and Family Perspectives." Sociological Perspectives 58.1 (2015): 36-55.

Julilly, Kohler-Hausmann. "Welfare Crises, Penal Solutions, and the Origins of the 'Welfare Queen'," Journal of Urban History, 41 (Sept. 2015), 756–71.

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>>720575121
>mid 1930's
>"Hey guys, this new guy is starting to scare me, I keep hearing stories from small towns all around the country side"
>don't be such a pessimist everything is fine.
>fast forward to 1940s
>Auschwitz
>Hey guys, These shower rooms are starting to scare me, I keep hearing stories from other prisoners
>Don't be such a pessimist, the Nazis just want to disinfect us before they send us to the next Camp.

Because the minds of the masses are patently binary and easily manipulated. They fail to realize America is an oligarchy and nothing they do to try to spin it 'for the people' is ever going to change that.

>>720576160
Well that's a lot better than expected, it seems directed to employers and they did not go all out with the tumblr bullshit, the title however makes it look like so.

>>720575805
what laws have been passed by SJW zealots exactly? I assume maybe you mean the ones prohibiting religious freaks from abusing their faith to discriminate against scary gay people?

>>720576399
He didnt trick anyone, look at the alternative. Nobody wants to let 400000 able body terroists into the country. National security had a huge play but bottom line both of them were shit picks for presidency.

>>720575979

Exactly - people always seem to forget that it's not just that unions have all the power. Corporations and employers have incredible power in the marketplace; unions began as a way for workers to have *some* ability to meaningfully bargain in the exchange.

>>720576373
What do you think we have now? Just some of us realize the fatal mistake of veering to far into socialism.

>>720576160
This isn't reality though.

>>720575827
Debunked by who? The cheese makers union?
I have SEEN 400 pound gibmedats order like 300.00 worth of fucking cakes , pay for it with thier EBT food card and waddle outside to climb into a brand fucking new cadalliac SUV..... while talking on a brand new smartphone.
If they need far gubermant assistance for food to feed thier chillens , how in the fuck are they paying for that 70K SUV ? Or that iphone6? And why in the fuck would you need 300.00 worth of fucking cake????

But no faggots like you will always say.
>the welfare queen myth was debunked long ago....

We're you just born stupid or has it been a life's work?

Faggot

>>720576013
What's wrong with Maher? his distrust of Muslims and hatred for SJWs, and everything they stand for is as rich as any Trumpette's.

>>720576523

I dont know what that 400k refers to, but he just failed to put Saudi, UAE and Egypt on the list of countries.
It looks like more of the fucking same. Attack Iran. fight the next "terrorist group".

>>720576403
nice job anon.

>>720575436

I blue collar as fuck, and I still don't think anything is going to change under Trump.

50 hour weeks while I can barely afford a house, and Trump is gonna help me over his rich friends?

You snowflakes can't handle 40 hour work weeks let alone 84, and you want to get rid of unions? Who do you think fights for your rights and safety in the work place?

>>720575890
Globalization is never going away. We have an interconnected global community now, independent of ideology. Isolationism and excessive nationalism are just a ignorant refusal to deal with a reality you don't like. Grow the fuck up, deal with the world as it is instead of whining about you you liked it better before.

>>720576570
We're as close to unrestricted capitalsim as we've ever been. There was MUCH more socialism in our government policies during the time period Conservatives considered America to be "Great".

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>>720574288

>>720576634
it would take millions of them to consume as much welfare as the petroleum industry gets.

>>720576843
Who said anything about Trump?

We don't live in an ideal world. We live in a world of options. Rarely are our options ideal.

>>720575890
Reaganomics is entirely based on the idea of giving hand outs to the rich because they deserve it, and hopefully it will "trickle down" to the rest of us.

Economy killing free trade deals are entirely based in right wing economics -- getting rid of barriers for the free market because if the market is free everything will magically work out somehow.

Right wing economics are a scam dude.

>>720576921
Lol no, let's just cut ties with every other country and guess at how long it'll take before America collapses.

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The real question is whats going to happen when all these vasement dewlers have to pay to browse 4chan? I sense the coming of the next civil war and mark my words net neutrality is going to start it.

>>720577058
Yeah, and thanks to the Clintons many of these ideologies have been adopted by the left in this country.

>>720576634
The largest most demanding group of welfare recipients are right-wing redneck dirtfarmers. The people is america's "heartland" are the ones bleeding the welfare system dry. Stop paying every inbred farmer who doesn't want to work and there'll be plenty of money for starving kids.

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>>720575890
>Im a worker and I voted for trump
stopped right there. Retard confirmed

>>720577058
Well, "trickle up" is an even bigger scam.

Most poor people have nothing because nothing is what they've earned.

>>720576995
I would not doubt that there are millions of them. And at least the petro industry is employing people. They are working for money. So I think they have earned some tax breaks.
What do the cake eating gibmedats do?

>>720577163
stupid meme. Hilary knows what its like she just doesn't care anymore.

>>720577248
America's most prosperous times were tied to a thriving middle class. The average person having plenty of money for a house, and car and luxuries besides creates the most stable economy. The far left gives too much to the poor, the far right gives too much to the rich, and we have completely lost any hope of a middle ground. Either side will destroy us, its just a question of who gets there first.

>>720574288
See lots of those posts, are those trolls or the new CTR?

>>720576936
If by close, you mean not at all then you would be correct. A significant portion of the budget goes to maintaining citizen entitlements, to the point that it has become unsustainable. Further socialism would only make things worse.

>>720577443
It's a slow poison.

>>720577159
Did I mention any particular ethnic group? I takled about one particular instance I had seen myself where welfare gibs were wasting money.
If farmers are being paid not to grow shit, or not to sell what they grow, that is some government regulation bullshit that should stop.
But they work. I am talking about fat fucks that do NOT work, just> hab dem kids...

>>720577248
So the base of the country that does literally everything, don't even deserve a decent living because they haven't earned.
And then they blame the mexicans for taking the jobs their lazy asses won't take.

>>720577248
bullshit. Trickle down econ. violates the most basic principle of economics. Supply and Demand. Cutting a corporation's tax won't lead to job creation unless they already planned on expanding. Cutting the taxes on the middle class, and poor will leave them with more disposable income to spend on goods and services. This cash flow into the coffers of business, and the increased demand for goods and services incentivizes business expansion, and thus job creation. if you cut a corporations taxes instead, the demand for their goods and services doesn't change, so they'll pocket the cash, and keep on as before. Where we are today is almost exclusively the fault of trickle down economics.

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>>720577614
You really are bluepilled on spending aren't you.

>>720577460
OP here. Fuck Clinton and fuck CTR, everyone who disagrees with conservative philosophy isn't a shill.

>>720574288
They don't have a view. They have distractions fed to them by rich people who use their ignorance and disinformed idiocy to stay in power and fuck them over.

And they're so good at it that not a single conservative has realized why their assholes hurt so much and are steered toward blaming "liberals" and "biased media" by the best propoganda machine the earth has ever seen.

It's more about disinformation than ignorance. And it's also about stupidity and the subtle manipulation of "freedom."

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Antifafags BTFO
Mein sides have reached orbit
New America is fucking awesome

http://www.kptv.com/story/34348555/portland-police-clash-with-protesters-blocking-downtown-transit-lines

>>720577614
And if we hadn't adopted bullshit supply side economics policies 40 years ago we'd have the cash for your so called "entitlements"

>>720577790
Imagine what this country could be if we didn't waste so much money pointlessly. Cutting the military budget in half would be a great start.

>>720577940
GOOD JOB

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>>720576403
>says 'not everything is crap spouted by political pundits'
>lists a bunch of crap spouted by political pundits, including the fucking nyt

Confused child who has been spoonfed his worldview by the media and has no idea how the real world works detected

>>720577790
>war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength
wew lad

>>720576463
>That Trump is "literally Hitler"
>The country has changed that much since Trump has been in office.
>The changes under Trump so far have been bad.
>The DOW isn't at an all time high.
>Manufacturers haven't already started to come back.


Wew-lad.

>>720578013
Military is too tied into the knee jerk fake patriotism of the average red voter for that to ever happen.

This country is at the point now where it will be impossible to make any progress at all without forcibly dragging the entire middle of the country out of the 50s and finding some way to get them unplugged from Fox and thinking for themselves.

Never going to happen as long as people are choosing "alternative facts."

>>720576693
Yeah the guy who got on his show and declared that liberals won the culture war totally hates sjws

>>720576803
Nice job Samefagging this hard anon

>>720576403
>>720578218
nice job anon.

>>720578193
That "alternative facts" is even a thing now makes me wish one of Drumpf's drones would accidentally input the nuclear codes already.

>>720577058

Whatever opinions you have of them,right wing economics are still infinitely better than left wing economics in every way, shape and form.

I'll take trickle down over 'punish the successful and reward the incapable' any day of the week

>>720578195
>thinking anyone at all gives a fuck about the "culture war."

Maher is the only honest pundit there is. He will flat out tell you what bullshit he believes and what agenda he wants to push. If only all the rest were that open about it.

Maher isn't the problem. He's just a strong voice for anti-bullshit and anti-PC.

>>720577757
ya so lets give the illeglas free shit that will fix things.

You can't understand feudalism? It's pretty straight forward and was the go to system in both eastern and western societies for centuries. How quickly we forget eh?

>>720578099
Your worldview is pure propaganda designed so sell policies designed to screw you over as the exact opposite.

>>720578396
What free shit? They work harder than we do.

>>720578395
Maher is complete bullshit and complete pc. He's just another hate mongering, fear mongering liberal idiot, and you're just another liberal dipshit who believes whatever the media tells him to.

>>720578167
The vast majority of this was in progress before Trump took office. The Dow has very little to do with the average American's life or income. It's legalized gambling for rich people.

>>720578427
I've been screwed by the Obama administration in every hole. I have not been screwed once by the trump administration.

Ah, logic, the lost art

>>720578396
You believing that this is a thing is literally the problem with our entire political and pundit system.

You think you know what you're talking about because some asshole with an agenda fed you an opinion to keep you distracted from who's fucking you.

"Look at those brown people getting free shit! Doesn't that piss you off?!"

Meanwhile he makes millions to keep you stupid and Trump in office. All so he and his friends can keep you poor, sick, angry, disinformed, and distracted.

>>720574288
Lol you lost snowflake

>>720578593
I dont think its a thing I was making it a point.

>>720578517
Watch his show (if you can afford it). He regularly tells liberals to fuck themselves.

Tribalism us not helping anyone but who's fucking you right now. Literally right now.

>>720578195
Its obvious you've never really listened to the guy. the "Liberals" he's talking about are not the new breed of PC SJW Neolibs. Just last night he called out the Democratic party for catering to them, and flat out stated they will never win major elections again, until they dump the hurt feelings crowd.

>>720578347
>right wing economics are still infinitely better than left wing economics in every way, shape and form.

Democratic countries with far left economic policies like Norway and Iceland are doing better than the US in essentially every metric you can think of -- health, crime, education, the list goes on and on. The evidence goes against your worldview and if you're an intellectually honest person you'll reevaluate it.

This is the biggest fail that all of you are making, the president can attempt to do these things but its still required for the people to vote. The president doesnt run the country you run the country, get educated on polotics and vote agaisnt all these things trump wants to do. Or just come on 4chan and bitch when they happen.

Liberals are so out of touch with reality...

>>720578396
Free shit? I don't think a livable wage can be considered free shit, and I mean for everybody who works shit jobs.

>>720578736
>vote against executive orders

>>720578697
Why would anyone ever want to step out of their comfortable bubble and confront someone who doesn't agree with them in every way.

The world is fucking SCARY for dumb people.

>>720578218
Nope, I'd never work that hard to provide sources to a thread that will be gone in ten minutes. I save that shit for Reddit.

>>720578735
You mean white countries

>>720575805
>unhealthy life choices
lol usually not a choice to be in pain
>government regulated schools
We already have that and it works fine unless you're stupid
>stifling innovation
Lol Pls your supreme don wants to bring back coal

TL:DR you and your post are shit

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>>720578580
Show me on the doll where the administration touched you.

>>720578735
Yes a white mono culture is better than a diverse one. We get it.

>>720578781
see>>720578662

>>720578347
Copied from my earlier post above..
bullshit. Trickle down econ. violates the most basic principle of economics. Supply and Demand. Cutting a corporation's tax won't lead to job creation unless they already planned on expanding. Cutting the taxes on the middle class, and poor will leave them with more disposable income to spend on goods and services. This cash flow into the coffers of business, and the increased demand for goods and services incentivizes business expansion, and thus job creation. if you cut a corporations taxes instead, the demand for their goods and services doesn't change, so they'll pocket the cash, and keep on as before. Where we are today is almost exclusively the fault of trickle down economics.

>>720574288

>corporate monopolies

GE, Fannie Mae, Google, Apple, Microsoft... all Democrat donors. All corrupt.

>healthcare

Fed makes it that way. You can't buy across state lines like with car or property insurance... this stifles the market. It's done on purpose, so the Fed can "fix" it by taking over.

Kid, it's really simple:

Us vs the Fed. Period.

>>720578787
If he puts out an exetive order its agaisnt the constution of the united states, you have every right to have him impeached, obama should have impeached but nobody batted an eye when he was doing it. So still we have power to fight, people need to realize that.

>>720578580
8 year VS, 8 days. give the guy a chance anon, geez!

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Is Bibi /our guy/???

https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/825371795972825089

>>720575121
cuck

>>720574288
The left had their turn for 8 years and they fucked up on every single one of the issues you raised, no it' our time, deal with it.

>>720578982
Are you fucking kidding?

Every single executive action Obama signed cause so much butthurt on red media that you heard nothing but fucking "treason" and "tyrant" for entire fifteen minutes segments ALL GODDAMN DAY.

Trump signs five a day and it's fucking crickets.

Hypocrite motherfuckers are ruling the country.

>>720578808
>>720578912

I guess leftist economics aren't the end of the world then, and won't cause all the problems people say they will cause.

I accept your concession.

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>>720574655
this.conservatives are bad, but the lack of a true alternative is why we are where we are.

>>720577248
Looks like someone has never been poor. Poor people always have it shitty. They always work hard, and they always stay poor, because you're not allowed to stop being poor. No one gives you a hand up when you have to work 55 hours a week to keep out of debt, as your employer says they need you to take a pay cut, because their boss wants an extra house in hawaii. But it's their fault. Because they're poor, so they must deserve it right?

>>720579152
this

>>720579017
Keep shilling JIDF. You have no supporters here.

Shitposters are the retards you think compose your hugbox.

>>720579194
Not in your county. In others it's a disaster.

>>720579152
You are exactly right something needs to be done its an abuse of power neither one of them should be allowed to do this. Dumbing down the population, no one wants to take responsibility.

>>720574655

Nixon was responsible for repealing laws that kept money out of politics and Bush Jr. was responsible for most of the financial regulations being rolled back.

>>720576843
You would save thousands with his tax plan but I guess that's not your interest

>>720574288
If you don't want to pay shitty tolls on a shitty toll road move to a different state. Your state being douchebags about their roads doesn't mean that conservatives in the federal government are responsible.

>>720579415
Clinton did it too.

But yes, Republicans have done the most damage in modern history.

And are obviously going to continue to do so because we keep letting them abuse the system to get richer.

>>720577940
Commies BTFO
I need a webm of that.They were on top of those faggots in no time

>>720579136
Obama was mildly conservative. The idea that we're 'taking turns' is ludicrous, any president affects all our lives, and the last 8 years have been ok. Trumps plans are deliberately and fundamentally destructive to our nation.

>>720579216
I agree a little with you, poor people has it hard but it is not impossible to advance, the problem is that most people are shit with the little money they have and end up in a shitload of debts.

>>720578982
You do realize that Obama issued the fewest executive orders of any president in modern history right? The right wing media just blew it all up. and made it look like he was going crazy with them, because they know most Voters have no fucking idea how common executive orders are, and by highlighting and screaming and waving their arms about over every one they could convince you that he was completely subverting the constitution. looks like you fell for it.

>>720579472
No. He wouldn't.

Trump's plan, according to fucking ECONOMISTS, raises taxes on everyone not running a multinational corporation.

You should find a new source for news. If you care about getting facts at least.

...most people don't now.

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>>720579567
Lol, you lost

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>>720579567
>nigger king rein was OK
>nigger king wasn't a full blown commie piece of shit
K

>>720579136

Obama was one of the most piss-poor presidents in recent history. Worse, even, than Bush.

>>720576936
>There was MUCH more socialism in our government policies during the time period Conservatives considered America to be "Great".

What the fuck are you on about?

>>720575436
>People just want the right to work, earn a living and support a family. People don't want their efforts to end up in the hands of the lazy, cheese-eating, welfare queen baby factories.


Truth. The problem comes from the majority of people seeming to think

>People (i like and can relate to because they are like me) just want the right to work, earn a living and support a family.

and then turn right around and say

>"People don't want their efforts to end up in the hands of the lazy, cheese-eating, welfare queen baby factories (many of whom are people I don't like and can't relate to because they are not like me and the people mentioned in the former statement)"

the problem is a lot of alt-right folk have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that there are non-white, liberal people who belong to the former group and trailer trash, trump supporting white people that belong to the latter

so they see ushering in a presidency that's going to make it more difficult for the latter group as an indirect attack in their favor without realizing they are shooting themselves and their freeloading family members in the foot.

Its all quite surreal when you think about it.

>>720578941
They're all donors to both parties. The prohibition against selling insurance across state lines exists for a very good reason. It prevents the state with the laxest regulations from setting the standards for the entire country.

>>720579727
Why?

>>720579727
>Worse, even, than Bush.
Fucking kek, are you retarded.

>>720579639
this is complete bullshit.

>>720578347
You think employees earning a livable wage is a punishment to the wealthy as opposed to being the best way to build a flourishing and stable economy? Trickle down has never and will never work because they don't spend. They just want to add another zero to their net worth while a sea of families scrape by.

>>720579518
Yeah, you totally missed the point. Federal infrastructure. FEDERAL, the states would have no say. Private corporations would own roads and bridges previously built and maintained with federal highway money. They could charge you whatever they wanted, and the state couldn't stop them. You're out of your element Donnie, so shut the fuck up.

>>720579742
Looks like someone gets all their info from Brietbart, and infowars.

>>720575476

$20/hr is not a lot of money. I thought they got paid a lot more than that...?

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>>720579742
what is the New Deal please

>>720580787
I am an apprentice with the operational engineer union. Starting pay is $28.50 but with how heavily taxed each check is,I average about $2,400 take home pay a month.

>>720578689
Then why blindly follow a tribalist like Maher?

>>720580860
The best part is how conservatives have convinced blue collar workers that unions are bad for them. Its brilliant bullshit.

>>720578735
>Norway and Ireland are doing better than America in every metric

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you blind, dumb brainwashed cucklord

>>720578735
What in the actual fuck?

You just listed two countries that are almost completely white, then said it goes against my worldview.

Can you possibly be anymore blind and stupid?

>>720580860
Reforms Roosevelt did to repair the trainwreck Hoover caused (depression) like social security and stuff. Learn to use google faggot.

>>720581141
By that math your tax rate is in excess of 50%, I call bullshit. Are you including state taxes? where do you live?

>>720578935
You literally made zero argument that the far left 'take from the earners and give to the worthless' economic policies are better than trickle down economics, which is the point I made. All you did was fire off a bunch of spoonfed media crap.

>>720581141
>union
There is your problem

>>720579567
Yes the guy who forced everyone to by insurance they may not want or need and panders to the gender-confused is totally conservative.

Boy are you lost

>>720581206
I like my union, keeps me from being abused and allows me to refuse dangerous work that goes against safety regs. They can even blacklist contractors that consistently fuck over their workers.

>>720579639
Youre a liar.

>>720579746
Are you insane or just stupid?

I'm in this group, and I know there are plenty of black people who are also in this group. How do I know this? Because I fucking work with them, that's why.

Maybe you should pull your head out of the media's ass. You might realize that you know absolutely nothing about Conservatism.

>>720581569
>Implying someone doesn't need help insurance.
No one fucking needs it until they are in problems, it backfired because the health industry is a corrupt piece of shit that influences the goverment.

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>>720581387
you missed the joke but that's ok :3

>>720581605
Proof?

>>720581604
That is what osha is for but with Trump wanting to get rid of it

Don't trigger the alt nazis.

>>720581789
o shit.

>>720580121
Under trump: you may struggle, just like you always have, but you will still survive...or, things might get better.

Under Clinton: you are guaranteed to lose everything.

Real tough decision here

Ah, logic, the lost art

>>720581449
There was a study done recently that showed confronting someone with a string opinion with facts that proved them wrong merely caused them to double down on their bullshit opinions. I stated simple economic facts. If every child had to take an econ course in school maybe we wouldn't fall for bullshit like supply side economics. Are we even talking about the same thing here? If you think the entire working class of America are the worthless, and the rich are the earners then there's no reasoning with you.

>>720581206
Conservative here. I don't believe that unions are bad, and neither does any other conservative I know.

>>720581888
wow that's some real mental gymnastics, where'd you get that? Infowars? Bet you can't elaborate, or show any proof at all of that ridiculous claim.

>>720581449
Ooh, a study! Hold the fucking phone! Because we all know that studies are always completely accurate and that there isn't a study that contradicts every study there ever was.

>>720581391
California. It is not bullshit. When you make prevailing wage,you get fucked every check. My union takes it dues but that is not much . Both state and federal wreck my check. I'm getting like $5,000 back this refund and I didn't even work the full year last year

>>720581888
Lol pushing propaganda just like the "media" you denounce

>>720581888
What's with Hillary anyway, why does so many people say she is the devil and stuff?

>>720575805

Getting sick isn't always a lifestyle choice, infact regardless of lifestyle EVERYONE WILL GET SICK at some point or another. WHEN it happens to you, wouldn't you want to get help without going bankrupt?

>>720582076
Yeah studies don't mean shit so we should all believe alternative facts.

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"but someday I might be rich, and people like me better watch their step!"

>>720574288

>with no workers right

hmm,because living in a country where the unemployed outnumber the employed is just so much better.isnt it democrats?

how's it feel to suffer the consequences of something like obamacare

>>720581985
Your elected officials do. How can they pass right to work laws and say they support unions? How can they scapegoat teachers who work long fucking hours, for mediocre pay, and get shit on at every opportunity, and then use it to push privatization where teacher pay and benefits are much lower, then claim to support unions?

>>720581820
>says something on the level of 2+2=5
>asks for proof

>as if anyone who ever asked for proof was satisfied with the proof they received

>>720581888
Trumps already fucking me. His hold on spending has scared contractors from starting new projects. Work is slowing down and it will stay that way until they feel it's safe to start up again.

>>720582280
What the fuck are you on about?

>>720582088
If you're getting that large of a refund you need to adjust your withholding. You're giving the government an interest free loan every year.

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>>720574288
Kys faggot.

>>720582384
I would be satisfied and I would even change my stance if someone shows me evidence, problem is people talk out of their asses.

>>720582525
Soooo Edgy..... You posting that from your mom's basement?

Liberal whining and crying is the gift that keeps on giving :)

The best part is that there is nothing you can do but sit back and watch while trump makes this country great again :)

>>720581206

they only do that because unions are really big democrat supporters

>>720577113
by that point everyone will be too fat and too lazy to waddle into the street

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>>720582638
if you're rich, you're right. Those huge tax breaks will be great.

>>720582666
not this time shitforbrains. FOP and Teamsters went for Trump so
FUCKING
PAY
ATTENTION

>>720582592
Except you wouldn't. You'd write off the evidence as invalid with one of four programmed, automatic replies, all of which are insults.

>>720574655
>Obama was responsible for bailing out the banks
That was GW, friendo.

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>>720574288
the short answer is that Trump got a couple things right: we shouldn't let immigrants simply flood into the country unrestrained, and we shouldn't let the wealth be concentrated into the hands of the few.

Trump is taking heat for saying "America First", but honestly, he is the President of the US, not the President of the world.

Hillary didn't get anything right, and she still won the popular vote. But Trump got just enough right to win the election.

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>>720582762
lol can't provide evidence

>>720582789
another strawman

>>720582592
>people talk out of their asses
While you have your head up yours.

NOTHING will convince you that you're wrong. In fact you'll double down on your stupidity.

>>720582395
Youre lying. It's really that simple.

>>720579706
This ain't team sports pea brain. Shoot yourself in the foot all you want. You lost too, bitch.

>>720574655
dubs speak the truth. couldn't agree more

>>720582700
Only way Trump could make america great.

>>720582638
He's already flaming your liberties before your very eyes, yet you do not see.

He's a danger to our republic, fag.

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>>720574288
The Conservative vision for America is so fucking grim.
I can't understand why anyone wants to live in a country with no worker's rights, You mean, a free market where unions can't keep inefficiency forever?

Corporate monopolies ripping us off, Trust Busting
no healthcare unless you're wealthy, Buy health insurance when you're healthy or die
College no one can afford without a lifetime of debt. That's not conservative, we want to cut costs
Suppression of all Science that doesn't support conservative ideaology. When?
Tax burden almost totally on the middle class, We want to cut taxes
Religious zealots making law based on their beliefs. Without a clear way to tell where life begins, lets avoid the risk
innovation stymied due to regulations that prop up antiquated industries and suppress new emerging ones that might compete with them,i.e. (coal and petroleum). ANTI REGULATION
Banning municipal Broadband, Is that necessarily conservative?
and no net neutrality, so Comcast gets to decide what you get to access online. I'm for net neutrality, access to internet for as many as possible, without calling it a right!
Privatizing, Proven succesful
and letting Religious nuts mess with our kid's education. I want nonbiased teachers in classrooms or a balance - say no to indoctrination
Privatizing infrastructure, (only $25 each way to drive to work on the Nestle turnpike!) That's not all conservatives

>>720582638
You say that, but I don't think you have any idea what that means. When was this "great" time we're trying to get back to?

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>>720583033
>>720583033
>checked
as long as he lets them keep their guns they will give away all their other rights with a dumb toothless smile.

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>>720576373
TREASON!

>>720583076
oh I'm guessing around the early 1800s

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>>720583137
>describes the current system
>doesn't into mixed market

>>720582762
>>720582835
I am a newfag I barely insult in this site.
But well there you are providing your own examples you are automatically assuming I am a close minded faggot who won't yield to evidence.

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"Discretionary Spending"
You're only going to fool the idiots mate, social security is eating up way more than the military

>>720581449
>spoonfed media crap
Anon simply gave a dumbed down version of supply and demand from econ 101. What the fuck does the media have to do with that?

The problems in your life aren't caused by the government, anon. They're caused by you and your stubborn refusal to accept reality. Obama didn't ruin your life and Trump won't fix it. The only one who can fix it is you.

>>720583357
republicans don't know the difference b/w discretionary and non-discretionary.

That's why they want to empty the ocean with a spoon by defunding planned parenthood, education and environment spending, etc.

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>>720583398
oh snap, did you just call out his bootstrap cred?

>>720583357
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

>>720583540
>science: 0.78%
We're fucked.

>>720583867
Who needs science when we have alternative facts. Jokes aside science is made aside from the government, so federal spending on in doesn't mean much.

>>720574288

The alternative is much much worse

>>720575476

>> do that kind of job warrant

AHAHAHAHHAHAH Moron

>>720576463
Hitler was a great man who did great things, and you've been cucked by jewish propaganda

>>720584033
>science is made aside from the government, so federal spending on in doesn't mean much
That doesn't make it any better. The same argument could be made about literally every single category of the federal budget. The problem is that the government takes a large percentage of our income and very little of the money that they take from us is spent on things that would actually benefit us.

>>720575805
>ants to cripple industries and make people jobless because innovation is considered more important than financial & social stability. Banning internet free speech and forcing people to pay for less successful websites because they don't w

You made grammatical errors, therefore I shan't even acknowledge your post.

>>720583357
You realize we pay for SS right? If they hadn't been robbing it for decades we wouldn't have a problem with it.

>>720584033
if you don't know about NIH grants you should STFU on this subject

>>720584404
This.

Muricans think that they will all one day be a part of the 0,01% and therefore are cool with living in misery.

>>720574288


You sound like a brainwashed CNN viewer.

>>720584624
So NIH grants are not considered in the spending for science. Well I learned something new.

>>720584944
I don't watch cable news at all really.

>>720574288
ok redpill me, why is /b/ so left wing lately?
doesn't seem to be the case with other boards?

>>720584944
BUT THE LIBERAL MEDIA IS EVIL is pretty much the only argument conservatives have had recently

>>720585513
Anon from another thread hit the nail on the head:
>4chan is counterculture, culture goes left 4chan goes right, culture goes right 4chan goes left.

>>720585513
since the goalpost moved to left wing being anything that isnt bowing to a Putin-puppet dictator.

>>720585757
Happy people doesn't seek improvements.

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>>720582088
getting a refund (AT ALL) means you are voluntarily giving up too much from each paycheck. hurr durr the gubmint is takin muh money!!

>>720585757
as they should FUCK NORMIES REEEEEEE

>>720585830
many people are saying right wing moved to anything that isn't identity politics and SJWs

>>720585855
This isn't true at all. People are constantly looking for ways to improve. Find one single person who thinks that they have everything they will ever need and spends their days doing nothing but basking in their perfect existence.

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>>720574288
It's easy to sell the idea of white nationalism to a group of beaten down factory workers, who all believe they're only temporarily not millionaires.

I think youre describing the extreme right. Being an american is a fucking weird ride. There are so many of these crazy bastards to fight. What you're describing is a rampant fanaticism. I believe this fanaticism is being created by Elites and Trumptards/Religious Right are the pawns. I believe that we are currently witnessing the downfall of this evil empire which will be followed by the U.S. being a Chinese territory. We'll see.

>>720585952
I don't agree with this. The right isn't just anti-SJW, it seems to have swung the SJW pendulum in the opposite direction.

Lots of delusional fucks itt. Some hardcore liberal indoctrination.

>>720586714
Close. Although it's clearly Putin pulling the strings. If anything, the US would become a Russian territory. But I don't think Americans would let it go that far. The brainwashed right, dumb as they are, would wake the fuck up as soon as the Ruskies start talking about putting boots on US soil.

>>720586714
>>720586915

You both realize that the crazy right said all this when Obama took office, correct? You're just as fucking crazy.

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>>720574288
>I can't understand why anyone wants to live in that country
Because conservatives are racist.

That's it. That's the only reason they support those policies because they get in return ethnonationlism as a reward for being subservient to their oligarch masters. The rightwing are literal cucks.

>>720586740
I think that When a young person these days thinks of the Left, they automatically think SJWs. They think that's what the left is. Until we can distance ourselves from the craziest among us, we're going to keep being poisoned by them.

>>720587030
The difference is evidence, anon. The evidence that Trump and/or his campaign staff have been working with the FSB is mounting. The right's argument against Obama boiled down to "but his birth certificate might be fake."

>>720586824
I don't think you even know what a real liberal is. Anything that doesn't fit your narrow worldview gets slapped with the "Liberal Indoc" label while you smile and feel superior.

>>720579860
Name at least ONE thing that Bush did wrong.

>>720587133
wut. Only diehard conservatards think that

>>720587133
I agree. Many of us are probably guilty of the same thinking about the right too. The extreme left has SJWs fighting for minorities, LGBTQ, pro-abortion, etc. The extreme right has SJWs fighting for whites, Christians, pro-life, etc. The rest of us are stuck in the middle, not caring about any of that shit, but getting labeled as one of them anyway.

>>720587450
but people dont know shit about the left. They think rightwing politics somehow helps the poor and middle class

>>720587404
He invaded Iraq. Saddam was holding the entire region together. Toppling him left a power vacuum in the region that has been filled by various extremist groups.

>>720587404
He could have prevented 9/11 if he read his intelligence briefings. But he was too busy pulling weeds on his ranch.

>>720587488
The extremes of both sides have more in common with each other than they do with the rest of us. They're totalitarians one and all.

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>>720587133
The rioting and looting doesn't help.

>>720587654
looting? tell me more

>>720587488
>>720587640

Thank you. So glad people are starting to say this. People are too polarised politically, and both sides just demonize each other way too much.

>>720575476
This ain't the 80's anymore. Automation has advanced. Robots do that kind of work now.

There's less workers now and lean manufacturing combined different jobs into one.

So $20 hr isn't that bad at all.

>>720582762
>Still not providing evidence

>>720587654
Protesting bullshit is important

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/823174199036542980?lang=en

even whoever confiscated Trumps phone agrees

>>720574288
It's the Jews.

>>720587883
That's how the powers that be want it to be. If large numbers of people start actually communicating, and thinking critically, they're fucked.

>>720587883
>People are too polarised politically
I've been thinking about this a lot recently and I've started questioning whether this is even true. I know a lot of people on both ends of the political spectrum. We get along just fine even though there is a lot we don't agree about politically. The only place I see political polarization is online forums. I've seen a few decent articles describing Putin's use of a "troll army" to manufacture this bullshit in online forums, but of course they're all light on hard evidence and heavy on hearsay. I suspect that US intelligence has a lot more information on this, but they keep it classified. I think we would all be a lot better off if they would just release everything they have and let the public decide for themselves.

>>720588054
>ttps://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/823174199036542980?lang=en

Protest ≠ rioting, destroying neighborhoods, preventing people from getting home, etc...

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>>720588275
We get along fine in public because its taboo to discuss politics in public.

>>720575436
Yes, I am sick of having to pay for literally everyone else. I am all for helping people but the more my taxes go to help them, the less I have for my own family.

>>720588688
I don't think this is the reason. Like I said, I've discussed politics with a lot of people in person and even though we disagree, we still get along just fine. Maybe it's the anonymity of internet forums that allow people to express their opinions more strongly, but I think it's also possible that that same anonymity is allowing outsiders to enter the discussion and cause trouble.

Liberals have been de-incentivizing work. The more taxes you pay, the more entitlement programs you don't benefit from. Things like Obamacare only makes it worse.

>>720588718
See, here's the thing - if you had a proper system in place, yes you'd pay a bit towards others, but you'd enjoy higher wages, your number one cause of bankruptcy wouldn't be your own medicial system (which can charge you more for one operation then i will pay all my life, even with insurance). You wouldn't pay three times the education cost of everyone else on earth... I mean you hate socialism, but you live in the most corrupt version of capitalism on earth.

Paying for others isn't what's taking advantage of you, the corporate mentality where anything goes for a dollar taking advantage of you... and you just elected a team of people who live and breathe that philosophy to lead your nation,

>>720574655
>and his health insurance overhaul is a handout to the health insurers.

This only happened because in order to get it passed in the first place, he had to allow republicans to rewrite key aspects of the ACA which allowed yearly premium hikes and states to opt out (which also raised premiums over what was originally a very balanced bill). Go read the original ACA bill that he tried getting passed, and you will see the changes that were made to appease the republican party.

>>720589202
Why did wages go down so much under Obama then?

>>720589042
We need to be de-incentivising work. There already aren't enough decent paying jobs for everyone who wants/needs one. This will only get worse as automation displaces ever more skilled workers. If we don't lose the "You have to work or you're worthless" mindset, we're headed for massive trouble.

>>720588718

Your dialectic myopia and false dichotomies are so revealing to me.

You complain of your taxes paying for everyone else, when your share of the work you do is paid in a wage determined not by the product you make or the share of the profits of that product, but by what your managers can get away with paying you.

You are being robbed!
By your boss. And by Walmart. And by the lie of Capitalism that says your worth whatever they want to pay. And by having to pay for corporate welfare. And by paying for a government that serves the oligarchs.

You are a tool. And you spout the sperm of your ignorance every time they jack you off.

>>720589354
The republicans sabotaged the ACA from day one so they could say "see we were right, it will never work". The Dems went along with it because they assumed they could fix it later.

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We anti-fascists will start the revolution in America!!!
>pic related
JOIN US!

>>720588275
But don't you think most people either really hate hillary or really hate trump, and they do so because of sensationalism, not genuine reasons?

>>720588718
Those taxes are going toward social programs that you yourself will need to use at some point in the future. Whether it's foodstamps/medicaid/UI for a period in which you're unable to find work, roads to use on your daily commute, health insurance for when you or a family member inevitably get seriously ill, or SS/medicare when you retire. You aren't paying for others. You're paying upfront for the costs that you yourself will incur in the future.

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WE MUST UNITE AGAINST DRUMPF!

Spam this on social media to fight back against fascism!

>>720589684
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605

It's not like any of those things have existed in the last 8 years, save for having health insurance only because it was mandatory.

>>720589763
Possibly, but I haven't met a single person who feels that way. I ONLY see that in online forums.

>>720579720
>can't spell "reign"
>democrats including Obama are more conservative than Reagan.
K

>>720574288

I think it is a good thing to let people lend for their education. It makes them more serious about their choices. No retarded gender studies, but a solid engineering study. Not drinking yourself to the brink of alcoholism, but working hard to get that paper.

It would do the country good.

Working rights? If you're loosen them, you are allowing corporations to hire more people. It would boost the economy, let companies invest more.

And the middle class also get taxed to hell by the democrats. Why? Because if you are rich enough, you can always evade taxes. Heavy taxing on the highest earners is a pipe dream. Even in socialist states like the Netherlands and Sweden it doesn't work out.

>>720589861
Nah I'm going to make you murder me with your own fascist fingers.

>>720582351
This guy's got it.

>>720589863
If you get your news from that site you're too fucked in the head to function.

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>>720574288
at least the US has a leader now with some balls that isnt afraid to say what he really is thinking and honestly wants to put his country first.