if you warn someone not to come on your property or you'll

>>720487587
Depends on state laws, among other things.
From everywhere I've been, if they shows up on your property you can't just shoot them.
If they enter your home or other dwelling illegally though, then yes.

You have to prove that they were a threat to your life, which they could be while unarmed.

Just make sure there aren't any witnesses and maybe give yourself something that looks like defensive wounds.

>>720487746
>if they shows up
jesus fucking christ what am I 1800s southern?
I meant
>if they just show up
As in, at your front door.

Depends on the state. Florida allows you to shoot them for buying skittles and being scary.

>>720487789
Texas has good laws for protecting your property. If you live outside city limits and have no trespassing signs, you can shoot them just for being there

>>720487941
This is true.
Don't forget they also MUST be purchasing an Arizona tea or juice drank.

>>720487587
You can usually shoot them after a warning. It has to be non-lethal unless they're armed

>>720488115
Are the hoodies a requirement.....asking for a friend.

>>720488082

That's not true. They have to pose a threat, in any situation.

>>720487587
Depends on state laws. Do you have posted signs of no trespassing? Was the other person armed? Were they threatening you, or have they done so in the past? Etc..

Always have a security camera that can record to a local NVR. If they are on your property, and do anything visibly hostile, then you have the legal standing to kill them because you were in fear for your life. A local NVR is needed because it is cheaper than cloud storage, and you need 24/7 recording so that investigators can select the relevant footage. Furthermore, that avoids accusations of doctored or incomplete footage.

>>720488335
They aren't completely required due to white youth adopting the practice of wearing hoodies - but they do help your case in trial especially with jurors over the age of 40.

>>720488384
My grandpa shot a man he thought was siphoning gas. Sheriff didn't care, said he was defending his property. Dude had no gas can or weapon.

>>720488384
Not in Missouri - Castle Doctrine.

>>720488649
what state?

>>720488691
castle doctrine doesnt mean you can just kill people for -any- reason; it lessens the legal requirements for use of deadly force

>>720489355
Texas. He lives in town to. He called the cops once because he thought someone may have been stealing his gas...not sure why. Local PD told him to just shoot the guy to save them paperwork. So one night he hears someone out there so he shot them. Sherri's department were first on scene. Never arrested him and no charges even for discharging a gun in city limits.

This is america, you can chase someone down and execute them if you claim they took a swing at you

>>720488649
I'm from Texas too,
Anyways some kids were fucking round with a mexican farmer and he had chickens. The kids got brave and tried to steal a chicken . The Mexican shot the kid and was not arrested for it.

>>720489588
And with the new president Americans can mow kill someone whose gay, Muslim, Mexican, black, unknown race, poor, or if they didn't let you grab their pussy.

>>720487587
Castle Law, idiots. Yes, you can protect your home lethally and you will not be prosecuted.

>>720489724
Not a Trump supporter but no. You can't do that you idiot.

>>720489626
Texas has tons of cases of people defending their property. Pick any town, Google Search the town with words about shooting home invaders and you'll find stories. Even ones were the door was unlocked and some drunk just wondered in the wrong house.

>>720488242
Criminal Justice tells me otherwise. No such thing as a non-lethal gun shot.

>>720489887
Zimmerman says otherwise

>>720489905
Yup heard many stories like that. Texas is great.

>>720489884
Btw from Texas as well.

>>720490003
Are you a butthurt Nigger or something? Fuck off

>>720489887
just say you felt afraid for your life, who are they going to believe, you or the corpse?

>>720487789
Well said bro

>>720490009
Best Damn State there is. I know a guy who has a face full of buckshot because he was messing with a married woman and the husband came home. He's lucky to be alive but his face is fucked.

This is why we need anarchocapitalism, so i dont have to rely on just small arms, i can protect my property with weaponized smallpox fired from a howitzer

>>720490254
That's a fucking horrible idea.

>>720490367
Fine, weaponized SARS

>>720490072
Not a nigger. Look at all the "suicides" Hillary caused. If you say the right things and there's no witnesses you can kill anyone.

>>720490472
Doesn't SARS only kill Asians? Or does it even kill anyone?

And 20kt yield thermonuclear hand grenades

>>720490661
That's also a good way to keep the damn kids and squirrels off your lawn.

>>720487941
>>720488115
Also they must be bashing your head into a concrete sidewalk, and you have to be in fear for your life.

>>720490640
once its weaponized it should be able to infect any human, and yes an accute SARS infection kills very quickly

Combine this with a gas that eats away at biohazard protection suits and you should have a superweapon capable of protecting your and yours from anyone and anything

>>720489586
Local PD is fucked in the head if that's true. IF

>>720489884
Castle doctrines negate the duty to retreat when an individual is assaulted in a place where that individual has a right to be, such as within one's own home. Deadly force may be justified and a defense of justifiable homicide applicable, in cases "when the actor reasonably fears imminent peril of death or serious bodily harm to him or herself or another".[1] The castle doctrine is not a defined law that can be invoked, but a set of principles which may be incorporated in some form in the law of many jurisdictions.

>>720491080
Texas PDs are pretty scummy, im surprised they didnt offer to sell him drugs and an underage prostitute too

>>720490003
What the fuck does Zimmerman say otherwise about? People aren't experts in physical altercations. Niggers are dumb subhuman and often kill their victims in street fights. None of this shit would even be a question if niggers were peaceful. They're not, so things change. Fuck off either nigger or liberalscum. You're a piece of shit.

I hope your mother gets raped by a nigger you faggot.

>>720487587
Depends on your state. Contact an attorney. Don't get your legal advice from /b/

>>720490087
Corpses always scare me.

>>720487587
If you're asking with any special interest, now that you've made this post, you'll definitely get fucked if you shoot someone.

>>720487587
/k/ here
depends on your state

generally the rule is that you can't shoot someone unless they are a serious risk to your life; this is almost always meaning they have a deadly weapon

courts are wildly inconsistent however
suggestion that you provoked the attacker, could have walked away (even on your own property and if they were stealing from you in many states)

suggestions that you had a motivation other than self defence are also very persuasive, make sure nobody attacks you that owes you money, you happen to hate

I have never heard trespass as a justification for defensive shooting

my advice
phone on one hand calling 911, gun in the other (this adds credence to the argument that it was an emergency, and they posed a serious risk)
yell "get back, get off my property" when you connect (so it's recorded for the court)
if they advance drop the phone and shoot them dead, but you can't shoot if they go to leave or back away, that's homicide and you go to prison
then call an ambulance
even if they have half a head, call an ambulance; because it is a great defence in court if they accuse you of being motivated by hate
don't ramble at the operator because it's going to play in court, you don't have to answer their questions
"I've got one guy with bullet woulds, the scene is safe for paramedics"

all a court hears is a 911 call "get back, get off my property" followed by three gunshots
and you picking up the phone saying "jesus I need police and and ambulance to [your location]"
then you say in court that he threatened you verbally, you thought he had a weapon, he turned up at your house to attack you, ignored your warning and you shot him

you have to be super clear about the weapon though
"I thought I saw something on his hip, it looked like a gun"
"I already had my gun drawn on him, I thought he was reaching for a weapon"
"I was armed, I couldn't see at the time why he wouldn't have backed off if he wasn't"

State by state as said numerous times already. Here in Ohio it's very illegal to shoot an intruder unless you can prove they shot you first. Otherwise you have to let the intruder do whatever they want while you wait for the cops. Knives aren't considered a life threatening weapon either. Only guns. And again, they have to shoot you first.

>>720492082
>Knives aren't considered a life threatening weapon
hello 911, I need the police there is a guy stabbing me

yes, he's stabbing me right now

oh and he just stole my gun

and is fucking my daughter

how long will the police be?

>>720487587
Yes you go to jail.. especially if you posted about it on 4chan first. Faggot

>>720490193
Texfags what city?

>>720492270
Pretty much. The media will defend the intruder too as he is likely to be a good church going child who was a star of his high school basketball team

>>720492479
>mother gets out the baby photos in court
still, better judged by 12 than carried by 6

>>720492082
Since knives aren't a life threatening weapon, can I hack up an intruder with a meat cleaver?
>Yes, your honor, that 120 lbs of ground chuck is the thug that broke into my home, but I can conclusively prove I never once shot him.
>No your honor, I had no idea that his name was, in fact, Chuck.

>>720491972
Good advice.

>>720493026
If the intruder hacks you up first, absolutely. Otherwise you murdered an innocent person.

>>720492082
I had no idea Ohio was so cucked.
Very sad to hear.

>>720493130
You are almost required to be dead before you have any sort of right to defend yourself.

>>720487587
Everything is situational OP.
Best bet, is you better just be a reasonable person with a good career and no criminal record. Also hope the other guy has one.
If you just shot him because he was annoying you and happened to be on your property, in most situations you are going to have a very tough case.
When the police show up, don't say ANYTHING except
>I felt my life was in danger
Get a lawyer

They train all correctional officers and LEOs to always say they were in fear of their life. As long as you said you were in fear that your life was in danger you could throw protocol out the window.

>>720493026
>>720493130
Fuck that, I'll stay in Florida. I have a .38 S&W and a strong desire to keep my shit.

>>720493664
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU

>>720487587
Depends. In Texas, if he's one inch inside the property line, blast away. In Connecticut, he actually has to cross into your dwelling before popping off. As I said, it depends on the state.

>>720493026
sounds stupid, but a court is far less likely to make a finding against a defensive homicide where a weapon other than a gun was used

the logic being, if your weapon is shittier; you are more justified using it
>if you had a gun and he only had a knife, sou should have waited until he stabbed you first
>if he was unarmed, you should have let him knock you out and take your weapon; maybe he only wanted to rob you
it's ridiculous

>>720493297
>When the police show up, don't say ANYTHING except "I felt my life was in danger"
don't even say that, say literally nothing, it's not the police who are going to judge you
you don't want to say something stupid, but neither do you want the police to say "anon was calm and unphased after shooting a man"
it will shake you up, you won't be prepared for it
just keep your mouth shut

just wait for your lawyer, and that's YOUR lawyer, not any old lawyer who walks in
client-attourney privileged means just that; you have to be a client

>>720493915
Yep same thing. Just like the bean tool want supposed to be a weapon but if they pushed you through the slot you could break their arm with it as long as you said "I was in fear of my life"

>>720491369
https://youtu.be/emmoJvpSGyw

>>720487587
Depends on where you live.
Here in SC you have to have retreated as far as you can into your house and they have to be posing a threat. That doesn't mean they have to be armed, but you have to convince a jury that you felt your life was endangered by this person who refused to leave you alone. You are not allowed to use lethal force to defend property, only to defend your own life or the life of a pregnant woman or child.

Some states you can't even do that, and you're obligated to flee from your own home and cannot kill an assailant under any circumstances.

>>720493990
No. that's retarded. In every state you need to be in danger of imminent physical harm before you can shoot anyone. In texas the laws are a little more relaxed, but simply trespassing is not enough. You would go to jail for manslaughter.