Why don't we travel like this anymore? Why don't we

why can't op stop asking all these fucking questions?

they probably have some shit we dont know about I'm sure.

We don't have the Concorde anymore because it was more expensive to use and maintain them than they created profit.

>>720355927
>Why do we no longer have reusable space ships (Space Shuttle) anymore?

The Shuttle was extremely complicated and nothing short of miraculous.

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>>720355927

Also it's about to get much much worse, OP.

NASA is officially going to be scrapped. Absolutely no more federal tax payer dollars wasted on space science and aeronautic research anymore. If anyone wants that to happen, it's up to private companies.

>>720355927
Money

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>>720356367
lol thinking space exists

>>720355927
>Why don't we travel like this anymore?
cost
>Why don't we have supersonic air travel (e.g. Concorde) anymore?
cost
>Why has the record for the fastest plane ever built (SR-71 Blackbird) been unchanged since the 1960s?
because speed doesn't offer protection anymore
>Why is the military still using 60+ year old B-52s when we would never have used the Wright flier during the Vietnam war which was also by then 60 years old?
because it is the perfect aircraft for the job, for other situations we have modern planes
>Why do we no longer have reusable space ships (Space Shuttle) anymore?
because it is not cost efficient (NO SpaceX reusability won't be cost efficient as well)
>Why haven't we been on the moon since 1973?
no reason to
>Why haven't any humans left Earth orbit since 1973?
leave the orbit to go where ?
>Why is the Saturn V the most powerful rocket ever built when it hasn't been used in 45 years?
because we don't need it

>>720356466
Are you my parents? I can't talk about space without them getting angry at me and telling me the sky is just a type of actual physical television screen and what we see is an image.

Less space and luxuries to make airfare more reasonable and accessible to the common person.

Concorde was notoriously loud, expensive, and underused. It would be great in modern society, but takeoff would have to be limited to low-population areas.

Faster=/=better

B-52s are sufficient for their needs. Why fix what isn't broke? Why spend the money and the resources on war equipment when there's no war?

We do. SpaceEx just had a successful landing of an engine that left the atmosphere and returned back to Earth.

Money and why should we? What more would we learn by walking on the moon again? We went there several times, came back, and now there are robots on the moon doing the same thing we did when we were there. Except they don't need food, sleep, socialization, training, oxygen, etc.

Why should we? No really, what reason would we have for leaving orbit other than scientific venture? This shit costs exponential amounts of money, and if you can't guarantee that the men you send up will come back alive, much less come back with anything valuable enough to fund the expedition.

Why do they need to?

>>720356712
Are your parents psychosis?

>>720356485
SpaceX reusability is already cost-efficient.

You can, right now, phone them up and book a cheaper launch on a re-used rocket.

>>720356892
No, SpaceX has not reused any of its rocket engines, and has not demonstrated the overall system's feasibility. Recovery=/=Reuse.

>>720355927
>Why don't we have supersonic air travel (e.g. Concorde) anymore?

Do you not remember how loud those booms were? I wasn't even that close to an airport, maybe ~20 miles and I was so happy when they got rid of those fucking planes so I didn't have to hear that scary explosion every day out of nowhere. For a while I was convinced I was they were the reason I was going to die of a heart attack.

Everyone hated them.

>>720357127
Bullshit, musk had not reused any of those falcon engines, each one has been built for the job at hand. All the recovered engines are in a hanger somewhere because they are not safe for reuse. Musk has not demonstrated his systems feasibility, and is running his space program at a loss.

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>>720355927
>Why
The truth about immigration, by the numbers:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gOn9MuFimo

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)

>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160

>>720357127
Retard, 10% cost reduction for 30% payload reduction.

They haven't even demonstrated that they are able to reuse the booster reliably.

+ their launch costs are not representative since they include their funding.

Love when retards fall for their tweets and pr.

Question to you IF it is the cheapest launch why are there still other LSP'S on the market ?

SpaceX has almost no impact on the market go to bed reddit/futurology.

Their reliability is the lowest on the market they are never on shedule their orbits are off way to often.

Talk to someone who is as dumb as you next time ;)

>>720357224
>Do you not remember how loud those booms were?
neither does the people that lived naer the airport, because the thing did not make any more sound than a standard plane.

>>720357127
>SpaceX reusability is already cost-efficient.

They have never reused a stage retard.

>>720355927
Because TSA.

What does it matter taking off 3 hours from a 6-hour flight, when you still have to get to the airport (which is in the middle of nowhere) two hours (or more!) before it even leaves the ground, and then have to take another hour or more to travel 200 yards to the taxi rank when you get there?

There are no terrorists. The TSA just wastes everyone's time. Trump's looking to cut federal spending, he should sack the lot of them.

>>720357023
Hyper-religious. I'd get in trouble if it rained, because they would pray for a beautiful, warm sun shine-filled day and when it didn't happen it was because I didn't pray hard enough and fucked it up.

>>720357423
They've already sold OIs on re-used stages.

The profit motive represents a regression to the mean

>>720357493
Sold

Doesn't mean they launched it right?

So till this point a claim like verything elon does.

In the end reliability will go down even more.

>>720357391
That's the reduction for giving them their rocket back *to re-use*, not the reduction for taking a re-used rocket.

RTFA.

>>720356712
are you me ?
my parents told me the same thing, but it's not because they're religious, it's because they believe in flat earth and reptilians

>>720355927
Short answer: Money
Long answer: Money + Reliability

>>720357605
No that's exactly the cost reduction the customer gets for using a reused stage.

Do your research moron.

>>720357576
They get paid either way, and you've offered no evidence that it won't work.

>>720357493
You don't have you facts straight. SpaceX has scheduled the first Falcon9 reuse sometime this fall. We will see if he manages to blow this one up as well.

>>720355927
>Why don't we travel like this anymore?

YOU never traveled like this, ever. The cost of an airplane ticket was horrendous back then, and it was only when airlines began packing passengers like sardines that poor people could start flying too.

I can still travel like this because I can at least afford business class where you're treated like a human being and not cargo. And honestly, with power, internet connection, and bed-chairs things are even better.

>>720357454
hory shet

>>720357671
Can't be, because the payload reduction comes from the weight of the landing gear, the fuel required to do the landing, and the constraints of having to launch to somewhere the rocket can then return from.

There's no payload reduction just for launching on used goods; that's retarded.

>>720357741
Burden of proof.

Evidence shows (THE FUCKING SPACE SHUTTLE)
That it is very very very cost intensive to reuse a rocket engine, they either spend a lot of money to make sure it flies reliable again or thei just refly the stage and their failure rate will get worse (they already have the worst reliability on the market).

Oh look how they are taking over the market for commertial launches with their low prices.

http://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Haha SpaceX is a joke just like Elon, educate yourself on what is really important for LSP's it is being on shedule and being reliable SpaceX performs horrible on both of these parameteres.

>>720357947
The launch of a 1st stage that you are trying to reuse has 30% less payload so yeah that makes the F9 to small for about 40% of the GTO payloads.

Elons initial claim was we will reuse a stage 100 times so you have 100 launches with reduced payload capacity and reliability.

They can't even launch their shit without reusing them so it will get even worse.

Gotta love american Elon shills.

>>720357981
Yeah, burden of proof.

You need to demonstrate that their customers, and their customers' underwriters are all retarded, using evidence more compelling than "I'm anon-san and I say so with words".

Satellites are expensive, and insurance companies are not stupid.

>>720357947
>There's no payload reduction just for launching on used goods; that's retarded.

If you don't reuse the rocket the whole system is flawd.

Yes that's retarded either 100% performance and you lose the stage or 30% less GTO payload.

>>720358136
What exactly are you disagreeing with?

If you follow the thread up, you'll see the assertion was that the payload reduction is for it being a stage you're trying to recover (not a stage that *has already been* recovered and is currently being re-used), and far from refuting that, you just went and stated it.

>>720357981
Musk has managed to blow up 10% of his payloads now. He will have to factor his failure rate into the costs of launching for insurance purposes. This will only increase costs.

I took Musk a little more serious before he went full Bernie Madoff and started pitching the credulously inefficient hyperloop.

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>>720358259
No it's not.

Nothing is 100% reusable and the idea that it is or should be is absolutely ridiculous.

Most people consider 747s reusable, yet 100% of the fuel you put in them is reacted with oxygen and dispersed in the atmosphere.

>>720358147
Zuck was retarded for trusting Musk with his satellite. Now he has 200 million bucks he has to write off.

>>720358434
He has always been a fraud and a loser, the only business that was doing fine was paypal he was basically lucky (like many people during the dotcom bubble).

I will never understand how so many people fall for this fraud.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-06/how-elon-musk-used-broken-marketplace-play-us-all

>The answer is that the market isn’t the one to decide, despite the fact that SpaceX is apparently a private company. Out of all of SpaceX’s contracts, NASA is documented to contribute to 85% of SpaceX’s revenue. Additionally, the number of direct governmental subsidies (without accounting for tax credits) climb up to about $5.5 billion dollars and is also peppered with $200 million dollars in varying governmental contracts. These estimates do not even account for the money Musk funnels in from SolarCity and Tesla, his two other ineffective companies which receive $4.9 billion dollars in government support by themselves.

Without the help of the government, SpaceX would not have been able to fail as many times as it has. Private investors would not tolerate Musk’s reckless mismanagement, and the company would’ve went belly-up years ago. But, since SpaceX is essentially a built-for-government company, Capitol Hill will continue to allow Musk to waste taxpayer dollars on futile launches and projects.

>>720355927
It's all about the Benjamins.

I work in Aerospace and defense manufacturing.

We can build you anything you want.
Speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?

>>720357212
They reused one on their latest launch.

>>720358653
>made so many correct decisions he can afford to write off $200,000,000
>he's the one that's retarded
I'm sure everyone will recognise your hidden genius someday, anon.

Musk is finding out that being a business man with rose colored glasses does not trump being a rocket scientist. Who would have thunk it?

It would not be so cringeworthy if Musk didn't think he himself could do better then all of Nasa for the last 60 years, and then all of you idiots believed him! Its Twilight Zone levels of batshit ignorance that leaves the levelheaded among us dazed and speechless.

Sonic booms are loud as fuck. Concord never made money because it could only go supersonic when traveling over water.

>>720358946
No they didn't stop lying.

>>720359062
Oh goody!
You're one of them.

>>720359272
One of the people that rely on facts and trust reality over twitter postings?

Show us the evidence, they have never reused engines nor a first stage.

Sucks to be a retard like you I guess.

>>720359272
Falcon Heavy is 3 years late now.

How are we gonna ignore this fact?

Oh never mind we don't need the heavy we will go even bigger and go to mars in 2 years anyway.

>>720358946
Go to this site: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_reusable_launch_system_development_program

Scoll down to the section labeled 'First-stage reuse'

Read

A close friend works for Musk. Friend says he's a genius, but also insane.

>>720359579
"On July 28, the first stage from JCSAT-14 mission was successfully test-fired for a full duration at the SpaceX McGregor facility."

Test-fired / flown.

Retard

>>720359677
That is my point, also =/= does not equal? Is that what you meant. I was replying to the retard who told me they have been reusing vehicles.

>>720359413
Can you provide facts showing it wasn't reused?

>>720355927
Money

>>720359677
Test fired means layed on side, filled with fueled, and fired while clamped to the ground.

>>720359636
>Friend says he's a genius

Name 1 fucking thing he invented, he dropped out of college and not a single of his companies invented anything groundbreaking.

He is a delusional moronic fraud.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Spacex/reviews

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We have reached a time where spacetravel and such new technologies are a waste of resources. We should as humanity progress in humanity and give every single human a prosperous life on earth. Donate for Africa please

>>720359889
I know, it is not even close to a real launch.

And btw it doesn't mean layed on the side most rockets stand up while doing a test fire only srb's are layed on the side.

>>720355927
The biggest lie America has told the world is that human beings set foot on the moon, Nasa never answered the tens of questions about things that simply do not add up, congrats to you if you think humans have been on the moon, you have been brain washed. inb4 tinfoil.

>>720359856
Can you provide facts that we don't live inside the eye of a giant?

Burden of proof < google it.

>>720359959
I think someone told me they saw a Tesla on the road once, so that's at least something.

>>720360042
This anon gets it

>>720360119
Why hasn't Russia refuted the claims, they never said that America never landed and that the moon landing was faked.

>>720355927
because the US is fucking broke

>>720360257
I would like to see shitloads of probes and great satellites, but putting people up there is largely inefficient.

>>720360342
b-but muh greatest nation on the urth

>>720360042
Some day we will have to leave this planet so no it is not a waste of recources.

We could cut down on military funding.

>>720360290
why does russia need to refute anything? the idiots probably believed it too, the footage was a pretty good fake for the time, it falls apart nowadays even a uneducated eye can see discrepancies.

>>720355927
The same reason why no one makes T sar bombs as a general nuke

>>720360290
and what if russia refutes it its suddenly not true, like russia is the universal holder of truth or something.

>>720360164
You are presenting your opinion as fact.
You need proof to do that.

Otherwise that's just like, your opinion.

>>720355927
>Why has the record for the fastest plane ever built (SR-71 Blackbird) been unchanged since the 1960s
I guarantee you there is a faster one being used that we don't know about

the B52 is being phased out by the B2 stealth bomber

>>720357454
so yes

>>720360119

Don't be a fucking flat-earther moron. There is all sorts of evidence of man being on the moon that can be seen through a telescope. Fucking idiot.

NASA didn't answer questions because they were stupid fucking questions that anyone who's ever picked up a book could answer.

>>720357127
SpaceX is a fucking joke. Elon Musk is a piece of garbage shit.

>>720360478
You think the rival in the space race wouldn't claim that the moon landing was fake if there was the tiniest bit of evidence that it was.

>>720360507
No but it was the rival superpower and had a lot of prestige on the space race. and they basically went "yep we lost they landed on the moon".


Another evidence that proves that humanity landed on the moon is the mirrors that we bounce lasers of to measure various shit.

>>720360840
Why dont you calm down you fucking faggot.

Elon musk is exactly the kind of person to move humanity forward, so get back in ya faggot hole you piece of shit.

>>720360840
Please explain why you think that.

>>720360566
>ou need proof to do that.
No you need to proof that they reused a stage.

You didn't google burden of proof right?

It is the basis for making claims I can't refute a negative.

If they had reused a stage they would have probably published it right?

Just admitt that you were wrong and that you don't understand the basics of logic and we are fine.

You could also kill yourself that would be fine as well.

>>720355927
the money that would have produced new jets, concorde's etc. all went into the CEO's pockets.

NASA has been significantly defunded in the last 15 years by the GOP. Reagan's 'star wars' cost billions, and stopped exploration of the moon.

>>720360164
So what you're saying is your opinion needs no proof, but if anyone disagrees they need proof?

>all my nope.

>>720360698
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK8BjjJAlKs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7pzg9xpAOE

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5w0pm24ic

I mean when BBC airs a documentary about the moon landing being fake and then scientifically literate people scientifically prove that the moon landing was fake there is nothing more to talk about, you are a fucking idiot, you are the one that is a brainwashed sheep, american probbaly, thats the moral problem with such a lie, you spread it enough, enough people spew bullshit being in such a backward state of mind with 0 critical thinking that in the end retards like you swallow it up so fast its unbelievable. Kill yourself, retarded brainwashed zombie. also nobody was talking about flat earth, you piece of shit.

>>720357391
> ;)

Get raped.

>>720360911
yeah because landing a mirror on the moon is something super hard to do without humans needing to place them themselves on the moon, jesus fucking christ your whole life is a lie dude, wake the fuck up

>>720356485
>leave the orbit to go where ?
mars

>>720357386
Stop promoting your homo video rants.

>>720355927
(((They're))) behind it.

>>720360959
This is a nother guy, but hey no he is not moving humanity forward he does nothing but milking government funds.

Progress is done by serious companies not by frauds like Elon.

>>720361220
What about ghost, bigfoot and aliens there are all manner of documentaries and scientist stating that all of those are real. heck there are scientists that claim that you can live on sunlight alone, does that make it true?

>>720361184
Holy shit are you actually insane?

You claimed they reused a stage, but there is no single bit of evidence for your claim.

Why should I believe you ?

Now you shift the burden of proof on me, how pathetic.

what a loser