< - The animal pictured died scared and alone because a nonvegan paid someone to kill it. If you're not a vegan, you're supporting animal cruelty.
There is no good reason not to be vegan:
- If you think it's okay because other animals kill each other, you're wrong for of two reasons. Some animals need to kill each other, we don't. Animals aren't as smart as us and shouldn't be our moral role models. That isn't to say it's okay to hurt them because we're smarter. They're at our mercy, just because we have the capacity to hurt them doesn't make it right.
- If you think plants feel pain too, first off, they don't, just physiologically and evolutionarily it makes no sense. But even if they did, veganism reduces the number of plants destroyed, because the amount of resources it takes to raise an animal could more effectively be used to raise plants for humans to eat directly, since animals need to eat a fuckton of plants. See: trophic levels. This is also why there'd be more food if everyone went vegan, instead of famine, as people sometimes mistakenly believe.
- If you think we biologically need to eat animal products, you're wrong, I'm here talking to you right now surviving without them. The only thing a proper vegan diet could be short of is vitamin B12, which is like 5 bucks per month for me. Vegans would have B12 if we didn't wash our vegetables so well, instead omnivores get it from dirty animal carcasses. Really, look it up.
- If you think animals would overrun the world, you're wrong, we're only advocating people to become vegan and reduce demand over time so more animals aren't being bred into captivity.
- Veganism is very beneficial for the environment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_vegetarianism
This is just a list of the more common arguments I could remember, please feel free to add!
>>720154349 This. How the fuck do vegans think animals die in the wild? In a hospital surrounded by family? Animals in the wild either die alone in a cave somewhere of some disease or are ripped apart and devoured while they're still alive by a bigger, stronger animal.
>>720152047 we all have our crosses to bear buddy. humans spend their healthiest waking hours slaving away for someone or something. as soon as we get too old to work, we die. pigs get slaughtered for bacon. so what?
Rabbits are vegans too and you see what happens to them? Niggers keep cumming in them then killing them and proceeds to cook with all the juicy sauce inside it. Why the fuck would i want to be like that rabbit.
>>720152047 If you really care, stop trying to change other people's lifestyles and actually protest against it. Go to the plants where they slaughter these animals. Gather fellows and picket and march there. Of course, this is given that you actually care.
I could give less of a shit. I'm going to keep paying to have animals slaughtered wholesale, so that I can eat them. Hell, I take my steak blue rare, because I can. I go hunting every second week, and bring home a few rabbits, usually. Sometimes, even deer. Most of the time, I like to shoot to cripple, then finish them with my knife. Slowly. Painfully. Across the neck. Let it all bleed out. And you know what? It tastes so much better. Eat shit and die, faggot.
>>720152047 theres no good reason to be vegan >if we could expand our diet to meat, we can train other animals to eat grass >plants live too and u r killing them. Save planet - kill yourself. It takes more plants to balance diet, than if u substituted a kg of grass with 100g of meat >u can live off of glucose in a drip and pop pills, but i dont see u doing it >boars will destroy crops. Not hunting boars during seasons will ruin your shit. We might eat them while at it too. >killing boars is very beneficial for the environment. Look at previous argument. thats just a list of debunks for your stupid shit
>>720152047 Your logic is solid and I agree with it. The only reason I'm not a vegan is because I can't afford it. If we ever get fully nutritional vegan foods down to the price of unhealthy/meaty foods, I'll go vegan all the way.
Well, except milk and eggs. I love those too much. But since those animals don't die it feels less guilty.
>>720157054 >>720157130 >>720157243 See, this is why people relish in killing animals for the sake of pissing off vegans. Fuck off with your goddamn all-or-nothing bullshit. If one only goes half ass vegan that still helps the situation, and if millions of people half ass it, that makes a giant impact. Get out of my ass before I go order a fat juicy steak just to spite you.
>>720157854 >if millions of people half ass it, that makes a giant impact
Yeah half assed in anything makes it worse. You want a mechanic to half ass the work he does on your car? How about a surgeon half assing your operation. mediocrity is the fucking problem with people today. Lazy as fuck
what are you talking about it died suddenly and obliviously with dozens of others, trust me they never saw it coming. no fear, not alone, complete surprise. couldn't be more humane, in fact thats how we should off humans, they should never see it coming, or there's trauma even without pain
Can someone tell me why vegans like OP think that forcing the consumer, and not the companies that slaughter the animals in distasteful ways, to change is gonna help? You know, besides them being to lazy to find out where the animals are slaughtered and how to picket and march against them?
>>720158823 What about the amount of plants used for bio ethanol, liquor and beer. I don't see you complaint about the millions of acres being used for the production of any of those but production of feed for animals is wrong.
>>720156837 you should look into vegan cooking, the staples of a vegan diet are all much cheaper than meat. you should also look into how the egg and dairy industries operate, even if you're not philosophically opposed to treating animals as commodities, you're still supporting animal cruelty by supporting those industries
>>720152047 "And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possessed me then
And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"
And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."
And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!"
Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus"
Life Feeds On Life. get over it pussy or check yourself out.
>>720152047 I agree with everything you said. I cried when I watched the movie Earthlings, and yet I had 2 ham sandwiches for lunch. I'm a degenerate. Theres no hope for humans and our selfishness. Let the bombs drop.
>>720157313 > Each year 70% of vegans return to eating meat
well I haven't eaten meat in 7 years. I'm a little confused by this statistic. how long did you need to be a vegan to count for it? because everyone is a vegan while they're asleep, for instance, and most wake up and go back to meat
>>720160414 The argument in op original post was : ""But even if they did, veganism reduces the number of plants destroyed, because the amount of resources it takes to raise an animal could more effectively be used to raise plants for humans to eat directly, since animals need to eat a fuckton of plants""
How do you know it's less suffering? Cause you can't hear them scream? Love how you justify your bull shit. I can pull the same thing. Regular meat is better than kosher because there is less suffering.
>>720152047 o a t s That swine didn't die in a world of fear, reflecting on all of it's life decisions, mourning the loss of his parents and fearing for the fate of his children. He wasn't thinking over his life decisions and his first loves. He wasn't thinking at all, actually. He may have experienced a very vague and base level of anxiety, or a jolt of energy telling him to run, but after those few moments of unease he immediately ceased to move. You've given these animals too many human qualities that you've actually began to think that they're sentient.
If everyone on Earth began eating your sissyboi tofu, there would not be a sufficient amount of landmass on the *entire planet* to grow all of that wheat. Now post that girly boipuss or get out.
>>720160695 I am the OP lol. you're missing the point. I'm only saying that if your excuse for hurting animals is that plants are just as capable of feeling pain, then you should be vegan anyways. I'm not saying that plants DO feel pain, or that it's wrong to use them, because I don't believe they do feel pain. I'm only entertaining a ridiculous argument to disprove it.
>>720161088 Then you should probably have a chat with the special snowflakes because they are making you the laughing stock just like everything else they touch. But hey mental illness is mental illnesses I don't really care which group caused it
>>720161091 I don't think you read the original post. even if plants are just as capable as animals to feel pain, then veganism reduces the total amount of suffering, because it takes more plants to raise an animal than could feed people who would otherwise eat that animal. trophic levels. 10% law.
of course, the idea that plants are as capable of feeling pain is ridiculous anyways.
>>720161110 That swine didn't have much of a life to reflect on even if it could. It was locked in a cage where it could barely move and fattenef up until slaughtering time. I really don't have too much of a problem with humanely killing an animal and then eating it. My main problem is the way factory farms treat animals for the duration of their miserable lives. Death is preferable for them.
>>720161750 And the amount of plants it takes to raise a person is more than it takes to raise a cow. If we look at how short a cows life is compared to a human you are obviously using more than that cow is. Obviously you are the problem and not the cow.
>>720156837 >Well, except milk and eggs. Eggs are chicken abortions. Well Hitler was a vegan, and we all know what a fine individual he was. I actually prefer my wild meat over farmed. The elk I bagged last season is very tasty. As is the deer.
>>720152047 >2017 >Vegans legitimately have a larger carbon footprint than non-vegans
If everybody on earth were completely vegan, the land used to supply everybody with food would be exponentially greater than meat-eaters. It's not sustainable whatsoever. Plus you would be using more land that wild animals live in to feed yourself. Kill yourself because you're not doing humanity any favors by being this stupid.
>>720162414 Yeah 30 year old women can have sex with 13 and 14 year olds and most peoples reaction is "that lucky little bastard" whereas people want a man dead if he did the same to a 13 year old girl. Male sexuality has been demonized i tells ya!
>>720152047 >b12 >supplements made from animal products >"look it up" How come vegans statistically die before omnivores? Vegans have more brittle bones and clearly are slaves to faux moral values. I don't need your moral lessons to tell me what I think is okay. I don't ask you to agree with me, you can do what ever the fuck you want. >personally not a fan of the shit you vegans eat to supplement meat >would not survive >or live the happy life I have forcing myself into a less enjoyable life Yes, I'd kill people too if I thought that was morally okay, but I personally don't.
>>720162789 Yes, we read in the news frequently about female pedophiles, and that always is people's reaction. It appears that women are never taken as the aggressors in the eyes of the public; and they're never seen as being accountable, which contradicts this equal rights stuff and women's suffrage.
>>720162294 because the amount of energy you get for the same amount of resources from meat is less than what you would get from plants, because that meat needed to eat plants, and there are energy losses between trophic levels. geez oh man.
>>720162630 you can be a vegan without giving peta money if you disagree with them. although, you should look more into the issue. a few peta workers did unnecessarily kill animals, yes, but they only operate shelters of last resort. it was mostly a smear campaign by richard bernman
>>720163910 >a few peta workers did unnecessarily kill animals, yes, b
The organization sanctioned the kill at the highest levels don't try to downplay their obviously hypocrisy. They are a fucking cult who has again and again said they would rather see all pets killed than have them living with people
>>720164046 there is a reasonable solution, and there's the one you suggested. I'm going to take the easy reasonable one and avoid hurting animals, and in the process, hurt less plants that don't even feel pain in the first place :)
>>720162378 Hitler was actually one of the greatest men who ever lived. Europe and America would still be White if he had succeeded. Our jewish problem wouldn't exist. Israel wouldn't exist and America wouldn't be fighting wars for them.
>>720164552 >reasonable solution, and there's the one you suggested. I'm going to take the easy reasonable one and avoid hurting animals, and in the process, hurt less plants that don't even feel pain in the first place :)
If everyone was eating plants you would be killing more plants your logic is flawed. And it's already been proven plants feet and are sentient. So you just move from killing one organism to another
>>720152047 You've made a convincing logical argument. However, some of us have either have cravings for fatty, sugary foods, the rest of us have no other choice in terms of culinary sensibility/education, and are in close proximity to fast food places that deliver on the spot.
I personally Mc D or Corner bakery every morning, chipotle every lunch, and cereal at night because I don't have all the time in the world to prep vegan food for myself. Introduce me to fast food that isn't as lame as lettuce and croutons, but something heartier like couscous and brocolli. Then you'll have me sold.
How the fuck do you know it died sad and alone? When you eat meat you aren't eating a dirty animal carcass. I could go on but this is 4chan and not a fucking debate. I bet you're also a fucking queer Mis-gendered disabled oppressed feminist who would say they fight for women's rights. The duck is wrong with women's rights? If you were treated like a man I bet you wouldn't fucking complain. Cunt.
Not a pier reviewed document. Post link to actual pier reviewed document or fuck off. I in the time it took you to dig that bullshit up you could have found a pier reviewed document. This alone tells me you are full of shit
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