So now that Trump is president does that mean he's going

lmao

is that $700 a year or a month?

>>720108187
He sure will.
Soon you will have no healthcare at all, congratulations!

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>>720108263
700 for the entire year.

>>720108187
When you do your taxes this year, you can file an economic hardship exemption to avoid that fee. I've been exempt every year.

Though awhile back I also heard that the IRS has no way to enforce that fee and they basically just let it slide, relying on people to submit it voluntarily.

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>>720108302
Thank fucking whatever sentient being out there that I signed up the moment it was available to me for this year.

>>720108302
medical centers wouldn't even accept obamacare.

I hope he does repeal it. It will work out great for the Republicans in the next election when 20 million people lose their health insurance.

>>720108187
See
>>720108302
The penalties were pretty lame, but needed to make the insurance companies act less like monopolies. By the early indications, we're headed back to health care for the wealthy and the destitute, bankruptcy for everyone else.

>>720108302
Still better than obamacare, since under that regime he paid and didn't have healtcare. Now he still doesn't have healthcare, but at least he's not paying for it.

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>>720108352
Are you fucking serious? If there aren't any repercussions for doing that then I'm in. This year I've almost made $2,000 in tax returns.

>>720108464
>I have no idea what Obamacare is

You tried anon.

glad to see those muricans dying cuz they wont be able to afford shit to pay for their healthcare. thats what u get for voting dumb fucks

>>720108302
yes, that is good! As an adult, i will take care of that myself.

Which is better though? Obamacare or The Affordable Care Act??

>>720108484
Do people not realize how fucken much that shot cost? I tried to get stitches and my deductible when up by 350 god damn dollars.

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>>720108808
Whatever doesn't charge me fucking $700 for paying insurance while not going to the hospital for an entire year once.

>>720108808
haha i read that one before, the answer is they are both ridiculous.

Soon millions will be thrown off healthcare and die.

Curious how the Women's March didn't have that as its central message, but instead some identity politics bullshit.

We're all fucked. See you fuckers in Hell.

>>720108958
So ridiculous that through 7 years and 60 attempts to repeal/replace it the Repubs have come up with NOTHING.

>>720108464
That's because Obamacare isn't an insurance, it's a bill that regulates some rules to how insurance works. Like being able to stay on your parents insurance till you're 26 instead of 18. So how many of you are about to lose your insurance cause you're on mommy and daddy's plan?

>>720108187
Two replacement acts were announced yesterday. Still in the works.

>>720109078
do you have it? It's only useful if get your arm bitten off by a bear. I can't afford to pay the deductible.

>>720108944
Then maybe you should try using it since you're paying for it

>>720109155
is that a bad thing? lol I think its time to be adults gentlemen

>>720108944
you seem to be a little unclear about how insurance work

>>720108302
but he already stated that he doesn't have healthcare now thanks to obama...

>>720109155
most people insured through the ACA (Obamacare) are insured directly through health insurance exchanges, not as dependents on someone else's plan

My insurance is great. No deductible when I use it and I can go anywhere. Thanks Obama. Now that Trump wants it out I'm shut out of luck. I barely use my insurance anyways. Unless you're sick or pregnant there's no big need to go to the doctor's.

I think obamacare made people go at least once a year for preventative care. That way in the future we don't have everyone being old fucks with disease and illness that could have been prevented.

>>720109410
>thanks to obama
Would he have had insurance before Obamacare?

Most likely no.

So the answer is Single Payer, right?

>>720109453
how in the living hell do you have no deductible that is bull shit

>>720109469
yes, his company would have provided it as he said, like most jobs did before obamacare. Insurance was a pretty standard thing with any job, back then.

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>>720109231
I have insurance now through my company since it's the start of this year.

>>720109585
It's a bit weird to reconcile that with the fact that more people were covered after Obamacare than before.

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>>720109336
Absolutely. You pay money every week (for me anyway) for something that may or may not happen to only have to pay money out of pocket because you didn't reach the deductable yet....

No I really don't know though.

>>720109649
cause it was more affordable (for worse insurance) and they tried to trick people into buying insurance with the threat of those tax penalties.

>>720109225
It's more complicated then you understand.

I have Medicare. That covers 80% of normal billing. There are some exemptions that it pays 100% [mostly diabetes], even more through the ACA now - free hearing, eye, and dental checks.
I had Medicaid to pick up the remaining 20%. Since my State didn't pick up the expansion [FUCK YOU REPUBS] I now have to go to the exchange and can't afford to use my insurance.

My wife recently retired and the ACA was paying the majority of her insurance premium.
With this Repub move she won't be able to afford her care either.

So yeah, I/we have it and yeah I/we can't use it now either.


>Thanks Repubs

>>720109767
Guess that's what you get for implementing an idea concocted in a conservative think tank.

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>>720109649
Yeah, I've had healthcare coverage from every job I've worked except for that one year. Every company would automatically take the minimum insurance rate out of my check each week.

In a way it's like I'm spending a lot less for this $700 tax the if I had insurance through the whole year, but it would be just fucking great that since I'm young and am less likely to get hurt I would get bent over and fucked so viciously.

>>720109795
How is it anyones fault, that you didnt plan on getting older. Fucking liberals. You want some 19 year old kid to pay into something he/she dont need, so they can cover your ass. because you wasted the money you earned in your youth on other shit. Fuck you, its not their fault, get a second job lazy ass mother fucker.

>>720109795
blue cross blue shield, second supplemental insurance

it suck your in that position, but i wouldn't lose hope. seniors win elections and have more power in this country than they think

my mother is retired and in NY she can be on like 99% coverage free medicaid and scripts only cost a few bucks. she retired early and when she turns 67 she has to go on blue cross blue shield which she will then pay for.

shes not even worried about her coverage, then again my father died before retirement age so she gets to collect on his social security, meanwhile her pension and 401k are still collecting until she is 67.

>>720110313
We did motherfucker.
Do you remember the crash of '08?
I lost my business, house and cars from it.
We're not the only ones....

>child is young
>hasn't lived in the real world long enough

>>720110313
not a lazy piece of shit and i'm not the person you replied too,

anyone over 45 started working on the promise that social security would cover all their needs, but when they had a surplus of social security coming in from the baby boomers politicians spent the surplus on other shit when it was technically dedicated to pay for retirement. he paid into the system, social security is not welfare

>>720110400
>blue cross blue shield, second supplemental insurance
What do you think I have? This is the ONLY option in my State - thanks Repubs.

And your mom better start worrying about SS as they want to privatize it and it'll be drained.

>>720108187
Already done :)

>>720110688
not to gloat, but she would still be alright. my sister and i do pretty well and would take care of her if needed. she could sell a house and still be okay for a few years unless she lost all insurance and got cancer or something. she still has a pension and 401k to draw from too.

>>720110474
Still not some 19 year olds fault, other people shouldnt have to pay more, because you fucked up.

>>720108464
Trump loves the uneducated

>>720110901
>she could sell a house
You gotta watch that shit anon.
There's a "Claw back" clause in Medicare/Medicaid that WILL take the "profits" from that. Normally she has 5 previous years to file that before she takes Medicare/Medicaid.

Is that really what she worked most of her life, to lose for needing healthcare?

>>720110560
Wasnt talking about social security. And it was never meant to be a fix all.

What that guy wants, is to have someone who doesnt have the benifit of saving for 30 plus years, to have to cover his ass, because he was not responsible enough to do so himself.

>>720111035
>I have no idea how insurance works
>I don't have car insurance
>I don't have homeowners insurance
>I don't have life insurance
>I don't pay for health insurance

Tell me about it....

>>720108570
In other worders you withheld 2k more than necessary. You made nothing.

>>720111237
You've got no idea what you're talking about.
You have no idea how many people lost their savings over that recession.

>must be nice to be so young & naive

>>720111173
not if she already signed it over to my sister and myself before she retired HAHAHAHA

we aren't dicks, we know its still hers but its technically ours

untill she reaches full retirement she can only make like $10,000 a year doing whatever, if she makes more than that they take like $5 off her social security for every $1000 over she makes, and that $5 is gone every month forever even if she makes nothing extra the next year.

>>720111096
Cool story bro. Tell us more about how you're a filthy lib cunt.

>be me self employed in 2012
>paying ~$230/month for high deductible health insurance for me,my wife, and daughter
>obamacare is gonna save us all
>premiums go up to ~$600/month
>make too much for any of the discounts and we are white
>pay through first year
>second year of obamacare premiums go up over $1000/month
>nope
So we have been insuranceless for 2 years now. Had to take daughter to doctor a couple times for ~$200-300 bills each.

Obamacare is not a good solution

>>720111376
Im 35. And once again, its not someone elses fault you invested your money incorrectly. Youd be suprised how many people didnt lose shit from the recession..

>>720108464
Medical centers won't accept a patient with medical insurance? Wow that's interesting story there bud.

>>720108557
At minimum you had disaster insurance. Yup it had a high deductible but it was capped for every year you were ill. Let's say you have this minimum ins. and you get cancer. That shit cost lots of money to be treated for a few years. Hospital stays, icu, chemo, follow ups..ect...$100's of thousands of dollars they charge for that. Now with obamacare minimum disaster insurance, it'll only cost you $3,000 a year each year deductible. No more. Now with out it, you're going to pay that $100's of thousands of dollars and go bankrupt, loose all your saving, go into life long debt or just die. Which is better?

>>720108719
Good luck when you get cancer

>>720108808
Obamacare is just a term used for the regulations he created.

>>720108187
Why do Americans hate socialized healthcare so fucking much? As a Canadian I just cannot fathom this utter hatred.

>>720108944
That's less than what I'm paying. You get a once a year check up for free. Have you even read the policy? If you didn't have it and got cancer, you're fucked. You paying all that money out of pocket for treatment. It's just like car insurance. Think about it.

>>720109225
Yup I have it and if you get your arm bitten off by a bear with out it you'll go broke and die cause you don't have the money to pay for the bills.

>>720112242
the thing is most investment companies thought mortgages were a low risk commodity and had no idea of the underhanded dealings being traded around, 80% mortgages who had a good chance to pay back, and 20% high risk hidden in the rest. well some of those 20% faulted it just cascaded and what was once was worth money became worthless and no one wanted to trade mortgages around anymore.

you can site whatever you want as to the cause of 2008, but once something that was supposed to hold its value degraded overnight, it fucked people over. that mortgage shit was hidden, if it was known it wouldn't have been a low risk low gain investment.

>>720109585
Small businesses with less than 50 employees don't have to provide it. That's a lot of people including me. This is why it needs to be universal. Everyone pay equal amounts and everyone get the same care. It's not a hard concept really.

>>720108333
LOL $700 a YEAR and you guys make such a drama? Are you crazy? We have mandatory health care in Switzerland and I pay $400 A MONTH. And guess what I'm never ill. You get it basically for free and cry like little babies wtf

>>720109669
Now, get cancer and have over $100,000 in bills every year without it. Now what?

>>720108187
You'll just get penalized for not having TrumpCare instead.

>>720110313
Most uneducated response. Don't get cancer under trump my friend.

>>720108187
I can't wait for it to be gone.
If I want health insurance, I'll get it. I almost never get sick or injured. The last time I want to a hospital was over three years ago. Yet, because I didn't have insurance all last year, they're trying to take $700 from my tax return? No thanks.

>>720111274
>mfw I pay all of this and my obamacare is the cheapest out of all
Don't forget my fha mortgage insurance that trump so nicely made cost more just now. Glad I bought my house a few years ago

>>720113755
the only people that get into real estate for profit are the worst scammers in the entire US, their entire goal is to rob someone by upselling or over-charging for rent, nobody should have any sympathy for anyone that lost money in that market

>>720113480
Americans been taught that socialism is a dirty word and capitolism is a good word. They have no understanding how either works. They just believe what their parents, teachers and 6 o'clock news tell them. Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.

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>>720113943
The $700 is a fine for NOT HAVING INSURANCE. Not the cost of insurance.

>>720114047
Don't get cancer

>>720113480
because it is never done right, if it was a flat 10% tax, for 100% coverage, for everyone, by everyone, it'd be golden, instead its "hey your white you should pay half your paycheck so niggers can have health care while you starve"

>>720108187
How is it you blame Obama for your company not setting you up with health insurance when you're not just buying it yourself?

You're a fucking retard.

>>720114397
what kind of shitty 401k does your company offer where you can't pick where you want your money?

do you even have a 401k or stock portfolio?

>>720108187
He already started deregulating it.

>>720114047
You don't understand how insurance works.

No wonder you like Trump, you have no fucking idea what you're bitching about.

I find it hilarious that most people don't know why prices skyrocketed. The clause "can not be denied for preexisting conditions". Before, it was really only healthy people, now, with so many ill people, insurances have to jack prices to compensate. But guess what, TRUMP SAID HE LIKED THAT CLAUSE AND WOULD KEEP IT. So prices will still be high if Trump dumps the ACA and introduces his own system.

>>720114533
This is true. Should be even rate for even care. No one should pay for someone else. But we do live in a Capitolist society so....

>>720113271
Good try, most catastrophic packages had you paying $7,000 to $8,000 out of pocket, not $3,000.

>>720114619
he just thinks the pre-existing condition thing will hold

when he gets butt cancer from being butthurt when he tries to get insurance his premium will be through the roof

>>720114706
>No one should pay for someone else

That is literally how insurance works. Everyone pays some so that when someone has shit get fucked up all insured people's fees cover the cost of the problem.

How fucking retarded is everyone in this thread that not one of you know how insurance works?

>>720114619
This is the problem. No one really understands until they get cancer or some shit like that and can't afford $100,000 in medical bills for a few years. It's just like car insurance, you don't plan on getting into an accident but one day you will and if you don't have insurance you are going to be buying someone a new car with money you don't have

>>720114851
I think he's just stupid.

With the ban on disallowing preexisting conditions, it's basically $700/year for catastrophe insurance which ain't too bad.

>>720114821
Nope mine is $3000. I pay $102 a month. I'm sure the rate changes as income changes though. So let's say $7k deductible every year to fight cancer that cost over $100k a year. That's a big help if you get cancer and we know how no one in America gets cancer or heart disease or diabities

>>720114887

Agreed, except the average cost for cancer treatment in the US is ~$20,000/month.

>>720114864
stupid nigger, were talking about coverage, not insurance, a person is not a car, a person is a worthless bundle of flesh, when a person dies a worth is not lost, insurance is more about paying for objects that can't be afforded. health care could easily be affordable with no discrepancy if every other medical facility wasn't a privately owned jewery looking to upcharge for everything from a 1$ piece of gauze to a 1$ IV bag

>>720114864
The point is insurance is a scam when it works that way. Everyone pays, rich and poor equal amount equal service. No one should pay for Jamal cause his mom is on welfare and she's too lazy to work and he just sits home and sells drugs.

>>720115175
$20,000 a month times 12 months=?

>>720115238
yeah, and OP who got his penis straightened in a thread from a few hours ago coudn't get that surgery in the US because it wasn't life threatening, he'd have to go to tijuana or somewhere else

>>720108187
I have been wondering why there is not a affordable life insurance act.

>>720112160
Ausfag here.
Wtf man thats ridiculous.

>>720115556
your a special kind of stupid aren't you

everyone fucking dies eventually, there is no money to be made if they always have to pay out

>>720113311
tripple dubs.. ouch, u get cancer

>>720108187
you will still have to pay the fee because it was legal and law when it happened. It will not be retroactive. It is going away however.

>>720108187
I can only pray he fucking shits the bed on this, and we come back with single payer and nail it to their fucking heads.

>>720115679
Just about everyone has life insurance anyway, most have term life plans. This means that they will never get their money paid in back if they live too long. No money is lost.

>>720114619
Then explain it to me. Insurance should be optional, not forced upon people the way Obama Care works.

>>720115994
What is car insurance, what is homeowners insurance

>>720115851
He already started to deregulate it

>>720116089
What is life insurance?

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any chance of a true universal healthcare system like Canadians, UK, etc?

any chance healthcare is divorced from employment?

has trump talked about any specific plan yet?

btw I'm all for repealing Obamacare if something better is put in place. can't we just dedicate like 10% of our military/defense budget for free universal healthcare? I have a feeling we are just going to end up with another shitty system.

>>720115757
I'm covered. No worries

>>720115994
how else are lazy fucks supposed to get free insurance if you don't pay higher premiums for less coverage?

>>720116089
what is choosing to not have a car and rely on public transportation, and not being smart enough to have equity and have an apartment?

>>720108333
he'sd talking about the PENALTY for NOT having health insurance you putz

>>720116132
Life insurance is choice

>>720116162
>10% of our military/defense budget for free universal healthcare
My uncle was talking about that 10 years ago.

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>Having to pay for healthcare

I know it's an old thing but I'm reallycurious to why the goverment doesn't pay for peoples healthcare

>>720116259
It shouldn't be.

>>720116162
Ya he said it'll be cheaper and cover more. Just like the wall

>>720108187
they're butchering obama care as we speak.

>>720115994
If it's optional, then people only buy it when they need it. Anyone who is currently unwell or is at risk of being expensive pays out the ass.

When everyone buys it the burden is more equal. Healthy people being part of the pool is the entire premise of obamacare. Or romneycare, as it began.

The problem is that healthy people still opted out and only paid a nominal fine.

What actually works is just making it a progressive tax paying for universal Medicare, and letting the government be the only buyer to keep price fixing down. The health insurance industry serves no purpose and needs to be done away with. The advantages for the economy would be enormous.

>>720116162
It's really not that much money compared to the military budget. It's cheaper to do good than to do evil. It really is. But American is a capitalist society so everything is about making money so.....business as usual

>>720108501
that's what happens when the established elites are elected by dumb rednecks who thinks a fucking billionaire is a blue collar worker.

>>720116278

I really wonder what % it would take. but no president, certainly not trump, would ever publicly call for something like this. it would be perceived as endangering the US. kind of how any judge or other elected official doesn't want to fix the prison system because they don't want to be perceived as "soft on crime" or whatever.

There should be a plan that if you can prove you are a citizen of the USA you receive some kind of mark on you that indicates so and with this mark you receive free healthcare.

>>720114496
>"Free" healthcare is so good it will save you from cancer. Just wait in line and pray the cancer didn't eat you by the time is your turn.

>>720116451
7%

>>720116561
Because every other country with free healthcare are dystopian nightmares, right?

>>720116200
So if I'm walking to work and someone hits me with their car and has no insurance? That public trans vehicle needs to be insured. My landlord has to insure the building and have liability. Let's keep going in circles? Somethings in a first world society can be avoided

>>720116448
>pretending Obamacare wasn't a disaster

How do those $3500 deductibles taste? I sure love mine!

Oh, wait. You're just a dumb kid who doesn't pay for such things and thinks he's superior to everyone who does, but is actually too stupid to realize that his age group is being forced to subsidize the care of the older, sicker, and WEALTHIER.

Obamacare: the final Fuck You of the babyboomers.

>>720116656
Depends on who they share borders with.

Europe barely got a small sample of the rampant low quality immigration USA has been getting from decades... and it looks like it's about to collapse.

>>720116313
What's the issue with not having it?

>>720116767
If Europe shared bordes with Mexico and got same amount of Latins crossing the border... its "free" amazing healthcare would collapse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fawv4vt5ZPI

>>720116767
Right now our poor immigrants all go to the emergency room, which is the most expensive thing we can do with them. Shit coverage is worse for the economy, and doesn't relate to immigration at all.

>>720109534
He's a poorfag. He's does have a deductible, but it's small. Unless he's on Medicaid, then he would not

>>720116561
I never said free. You did. That's why you have that mindset. I've been saying several times. Everyone rich or poor pays equal amount for equal coverage. Nothing is free. Have you not been following?

>>720116803
The cost of a funeral and burial can easily run into the tens of thousands of dollars, and I don’t want my wife, parents, or children to suffer financially in addition to emotionally at my death.

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>>720116745
I actually pay for my own insurance. Still nice that other people also get insurance. I'm not a selfish elitist like you and Trump.

>>720108187
He is going to keep some parts and repeal others. The intent is to make the market more competitive, so it drives down the prices and insurance companies have to compete to get customers, which is how the free market is supposed to work, you make or break your business on how you treat your customers.

>>720116998
Oh well my parents already paid for theirs upfront . As I will pay for mine.

>>720117166
Estate taxes can be steep, so having insurance in place to pay them is essential to avoid jeopardizing assets or funds built for retirement. Use of insurance for this purpose is most common in large estates, and uses permanent (rather than term) insurance to ensure that coverage remains until the end of life.

>>720117166
Did they pay for the opening and closing of the grave site. You might be surprised by some of the hidden cost.

>>720116738
you can choose not to have a car, you can choose to save your money and buy a house with cash and thus not be required to have homeowners insurance due to a mortgage stipulation, but not having it would just be fucking stupid.

your alive, you had no choice but to be alive, you can only choose to end your life, just because your happy with your life and want to live in the best country on earth you have to have health insurance.

car and homeowners insurance are choices, no one is forcing you to own a house or a car, but if you do your required to have homeowners insurance as long as you have a mortgage and car insurance as long as you want to drive a car.

(all these threads in different tabs this shit is getting hard to keep track of what side i'm on)

>>720117034
So what you just said is he wants to privatise universal healthcare. Instead of having a system that everyone pays the same regardless of income so you can use it for free when you need. Hurr fucking durr.

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>>720108187
Your a racist sexist how dare you point out the reality of our lord obamas tax on the working poor and middle class you are evil monster and deserve to die

>>720117491
XDDD

>>720117482
Yes, people with lower income will have to buy cheaper insurance, this is generally how wealth works. Seeing as how the majority of people are not loaded with cash, there will be a competitive market for lower tier insurance.
I don't see what you're having a problem with here.

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>>720108484
Y'all do realize that Trump's not getting rid of insurance all together, right? You'll still be able to buy insurance.

>>720109045
Really amazing delusion you have there hope those people do die they won't but we can hope

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>>720114428
...I see what you did there...

>>720117935
Unless you aren't wealthy and have a preexisting condition. You might have to live without it, or not live without it.

Repeal-not-replace is literally mass murder.

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>>720108187
Hey FUCK YOU
Idiots who don't have insurance and have jobs are cover d by guess who when your money ass goes to ththe hospital? THE TAX PAYER

You have no insurance and a autist walking about and get hit by a car. You get token to the hospital and then treated and given a bill you can't pay - so guess what you have to do? File for personal bankruptcy which means my tax dollar will bay your bill instead of the company you work for.

Great con, really is - corporate welfare through bankruptcy.

At least with all the deregulation I'll make out like a fat rat so enjoy your personal
Bankruptcy and\or the financial destruction of your family so my pay check can be bigger.

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>>720117935
Shhh, we're letting the liberals freak out and make fools of themselves

>>720117935
you know what would be fucking funny

if someone somehow got their hands on trumps presidential cell phone number and gave it to snowflakes

i don't even know how it works, whether it all goes through a switchboard at the whitehouse like in the movies or if its something completely different.

i'm probably going to end up on a list just for saying i think it would be fucking funny, but it would be funny if mexico's el presidente decided to say " el fucko trump en his wallo" and just give out his means of contact to the internet.

>>720118196
Can you outline and give a source for Trumps plan on insurance? Then with your magical powers, look into the future and see how that impacts lower income households.

>>720118269
I doubt it would be amusing for long, number would be changed ASAP.

>>720117482
That's entirely possible though. If you stipulate that there is a minimum level of insurance that companies must provide for a set price, and that hospitals must provide care for people below poverty level, it then creates a competitive market for everything else, while insuring that basic coverage is always provided.
It's not a great idea, but it is a workable one.

>>720108187
And if you weren't full of shit, you should have reported your employer, because what they did was illegal. But you stick with your alternative facts.

>>720117880
The problem is it becomes a race to the bottom. Cheapest/minimal insurance will be the norm.

>>720118359
No replacement is the worst case scenario. More likely cases are also shitty, but I don't think they've been number crunched if they've been spelled out at all. Some voucher bullshit, last I heard.

healthcare is free in the UK. lol

>>720118430
Tards will still be screaming about muh regulations.

>>720108944
Then I should get rid of my car insurance since I haven't had an accident in fifteen years.

>>720108570
the irs will hold your refund if you dont pay the penalty though. they can make you pay it, but until the balance due is settled they can hold your refund.

>>720118596
Well yeah, but tards are always going to be tards, there's no helping that.

>>720108808
so many trump supporters dont get it lol

>>720108570
You didnt "make" anything. You just gave the government too much money out of your paycheck and they're required to give it back to you.

Spend a little time at the beginning of the year and figure out your real liability and submit an adjusted w2.

That 'extra' $40 per paycheck could be directed to a retirement acct.

>>720108187
Maybe instead of bitching about a health care tax you bitch about how employers have rolled back tons of employment benefits and demand more them.

>>720108187
Good luck geting an insurance with pre-existing conditions a few years from now... The individual mandate was there so you, a healthy young adult would get in the risk group. Without low risk people in it the insurance company will get bankrupt if it accepts people with pre-existing conditions.

>>720109585
You mean thirty years ago back then. Or twenty years ago. Because until the ACA, insurance became a optional benefit, not the 'will get' you seem to believe.

>>720118505
How is this a problem? Should we offer premium liquor and steak for extremely low price because "muh Marxism"? Should we price sports cars the same as used cars so everyone can feel special, warm, and included?
Also you fail to realize that if the cheapest and minimal become the norm, it becomes the largest market, which makes companies compete to provide the most for the lowest cost, how is this not a win for the customers?

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>>720118196
You can still get insurance if you have preexisting conditions. You'll just have to get special insurance that covers them.
Trump hasn't said anything about making it more difficult to get insurance if you have these conditions either.

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>>720112160
obamacare is daylight robbery of hardworking americans.

>>720118936
While your second paragraph is correct, your first one is disingenuous. Sports cars and fine liquor are luxuries, access to medical care that doesn't bankrupt you should be a right.

>>720110313
You do know that we all pay for Social Security, right? Or you don't, because you never had a job. Lazy ass motherfucker.

Are we ignoring that he's already got a new system going and people will actually now have health care with reasonable rates and he is keeping key concepts such as "you can't be denied for previous health issues"??

>>720108333
my monthly premium in the US is 664/month, 700/per year is bubkis...

>>720111546
So faggot cuckservative, do you love sucking gilded cock?

>>720108187
Yes, he said so.

>>720112242
Yeah. The banks didn't lose shit. They got bailed out. Where's their responsibility? Or don't you have talking points for that? And you should be old enough to remember S&Ls and how everybody got fucked except for the Keating Five. Go look that up.

>>720119353

Hey thats not fair.

hillary is much more of a cuck then trump. learn your shit.

Also sucking gilded cock has nothing to do with politics, i sure don't suck cock anyway.

Also sounds like somebody is forcing you to suck gilded cocks while you don't like it... you should figure that out man sound pretty fucked up.

>>720114397
Yet you voted Trump.

>>720119174
I don't think it's disingenuous at all, perhaps my analogy doesn't correlate the product or service precisely, but I think the logic there still holds true.
You get what you can afford, people who can afford more get a better service/product. You're assuming that the lower tier means automatic bankruptcy.

>>720119235
$700 is the penalty for not buying obamacare.

fuck obamacare and the worthless fuckers who dont work and are on it. Was paying $350 every 3 months. Now paying $400 a month. Fuck you liberal fucker faggots who want free shit for nothing.

>>720115863
You have no idea what you're talking about. Get a job.

>>720109795
Your disgusting generation over spent your whole lives. It's about time it caught up to you. This generation will have you eating dog food soon enough

>>720114533
Dubs troof

>>720119686
>people who can afford more get a better service/product
I find this, in regards to healthcare, to be absolutely appalling. Quality of care should not be cost dependent. Coverage maybe, in that only serious debilitating or life threatening conditions should be always covered whereas everything else is optional, but the idea that the treatment you would get would also differ is just awful.

>>720114533
I'm with you white fag. I'm a Brown small business owner with the same privileged as you.

>>720117360
Sorry fucktard, but HOAs and condo associations require homeowners insurance even if you have an unencumbered deed. And in California and Florida (that I know of for a fact, there may be more) you are required to carry earthquake and flood insurance, respectively. Just keep proving that idiocy.

>>720118269
You sound like a special snowflake that wants Trumps phone number.

>>720120111
I feel like your argument falls apart when you factor in supply and demand, we don't have the capabilities to provide premium quality service for everyone, it's a sad but harsh reality.
The "everyone or no one" mentality also seems a bit childish and naive to me too. Although I do agree that serious debilitating or life threatening conditions should be a minimal requirement that is covered, at least to a good enough degree not to ruin someone.

>>720118457
But Trump wanted to remove regulations. Or is this another lie he gets to tell because you worship his dick?

>>720120344
lol so choose to live elsewhere fellow fucktard. NY state doesn't require shit, unless stipulated by your mortgage.

you'd have to be a moron to even agree to be part of HOA if given a choice.

>hurr durr, imma buy this property and let others dictate what color my house can be and what type of flowers i can grow.

no wonder your so butthurt, you've been cucked out of the american dream, listen to Trump the lord and savior, soon he'll get rid of HOA's too and we can finally have our freedom of choice back again.

>>720120461
It might, but then I'm only arguing for same level treatment of said serious conditions. Not necessarily after-care. Basically I'm saying you shouldn't have to worry that because you don't have good enough coverage when you go in for say serious surgery, that they will cut corners.
Bearing in mind that I live in lovely socialist Canada, and I in general find the idea of not universal health care rather barbaric.
But I get it, americans hate socialism in general, and our system is actually a pretty good cautionary tale of the many ways it can be bad. It also does really suck paying for people that don't actually contribute.

>>720120663
>soon he'll get rid of HOA's too
No he won't, and he shouldn't. HOAs no matter how terrible are voluntary associations, and something you choose to sign onto when you buy a home. Even if all the HOAs were banned and dismantled overnight, they would end up being remade in some form or another as people like to protect their property values, and will always find a way of banding together to do so.

>>720120848
I think the middle ground here would be a tax payer or certified disability qualification for a nationwide coverage of emergency and serious condition coverage to a high percentage. I think what constitutes certified disability qualification would need some stipulation of course, to prevent abuse of the system.

>>720121172
Yeah I'm in agreement with that. I also think there should be some sort of minimum coverage available at a set price. Maybe a government run or provided nationally available coverage plan, that covers emergency surgery. You would still have to buy it if you don't fall under disability, but then no one would be without an affordable option, and people who don't get it, well that's their choice.

>>720121074
wow thats just like nigs and gangs huh

>>720121198

guys, did this happen?

>>720121502
Yeah, except using contracts and courts to protect their interests as opposed to violence.

>>720108187
When it's replaced with nothing, if you're rich enough you'll still be able to get health care. If you're not rich, well, America's for rich people now, so dying is probably not the worst thing that could happen to you.

>>720108187
Yes, they're cancelling Obamacare. But they're lowering taxes on the ultrawealthy so you should be fine. Just put your tax savings into healthcare.

>>720121481
I like that a lot honestly, now if only we could get that in writing and implement it, lol.

>>720121854
Well with luck you might. Since all parts of your legislative government is controlled by the same party, it's much more likely that they will be able to pass something like that without the other party forcing "compromises" to purposely make it less effective and therefore make the party and president that made it seem bad.
Like what happened with Obamacare.

>>720122118
I really do have hope that Trump will do something great like that with the position he has been given, this is a once in a life time chance to make a real change and possibly for the better, here's hoping he doesn't fuck it up!

>>720121550
what the actual fuck is a snowflake?
some ass with a not-so-unique opinion?
/pol/ has always been overflowing with muh-steel-beemis twats

>>720122350
>here's hoping he doesn't fuck it up!
Same, though mostly in hopes of lulz at butthurt democrats and libtards. His doing well would help to stem the tide of them, not only there but here as well since we are so influenced by your politics and media.

>>720109534
HMO

>>720109045
> There is only one issue in America, and by talking about anything else you show that you don't care about The Issue

>>720122488
lol someone who is so fragile that they need protection from reality when the world doesn't go the way they wanted it too

if hilary actually won the popular vote, why aren't a majority of americans out protesting.

just because you voted or wanted the same person to win an election, doesn't mean every person who wanted that agrees with you on every view point.

go back to tumblr and melt there

>>720122350
same. so far it's all television, but no one's changing the channel.
of all the dumb shit he says stays the exact opposite of what all his actions, we're all gonna be just fine and maybe actually better in 3 or so years.

If not, i'ma go take take a dump in the refecting pool and proclaim Alex Jones said it would make me immortal, ya know? just hang up all fucks left to give..

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>>720120382
>using 'snowflake' as an insult unironically
This is going to be the longest four-year 'winter' of your lives.

He's gone back on most of his promises before even entering the Whitehouse publicly letting everyone know he is not going to follow through.
No Muslim ban
No Hillary in jail
No replacement for obamacare in sight, just repeal and take his word for it like always
No wall at Mexico's expense. Tarrifs aren't pesos and will most likely end in an embargo
No enhanced interigation

His cabinet is all billionaires and terrible choices like Betsy devol and Tom pointer or whatever his name is which probably won't make it into the cabinet. Another first in American history.

Anyone look at his approval ratings? He can't break 36% approvals which is different than pills because that is likelihood to vote, not opinion on the president. Another worst in history

>>720122844
bro, I didn't even mention hilderpy

fuck off

>>720108187
Watch this: redacted tonight. Trump drains the swamp. 12 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-_INi-TKoM

>>720108187
What's wrong with Obama Care?

>>720122910
lol like a hilary supporter could actually fire a weapon like that with out crying after because of the recoil.

lol i can shut off my internet and still have a life

>>720122844
>if hilary actually won the popular vote
She didn't though. She only got the majority of the popular vote. Since the popular vote is divided geographically, winning requires getting a majority vote in the majority of districts, which she did not.

>>720122985
every congressional committee is basically going to turn into an endless roast of his entire cabinet.

C-SPAN is about to be the new comedy central

>>720123132
What does that have to do with anything? You do know that most people in America have guns right

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>>720123132
>thinking *every* non-Trumpster is some weak-kneed, multi-color haired hipster, unable to fire a weapon
I'll either keep my rights, or forcibly take them back.

>>720123232
yeah, considering where the blue spots on the maps are, i doubt there would be many high powered riffles in those areas

i don't care how well you were at duck hunt as a kid, 6 inch barrels aren't that accurate at long range

>>720123206
>I have no idea what a congressional district is

>>720123382
Congrats on something that still doesn't matter

"I don't want healthcare. I can see the future and I know that I will never get sick and need to go to the hospital."

>>720108187
Just join the army and get a medical discharge. its easy.

>>720113943
400 a month, why? In the netherlands its mandatory and like 120 - 160 a month with everything covered

>>720119214
There is no new system yet. He just deregulated a few things. Go read it. They still need to work it out whatever it is they gonna do

>>720119164
So is income tax

>>720124666
because in switzerland shit is expensive. but since we're all rich as fuck we just go with it.

>>720123274
is this a cringe thread?
american laws seem to be 200 years backward
lulz

>>720125329
They are, but the only way to really change that would be to change the system specifically designed to make the government relatively ineffectual to prevent it having too much power. It's an intentional trade-off, although in their current state it mostly just exists that way so americans can believe they are free and don't have an all powerful government.

>>720119164
Thats fucking madness.

>>720119999
Nice quads, are you hiring?

>>720116462
LoL

>>720123274
What an ugly gun

>>720108302
Whew, glad I have a job where I've been paying $600 a month on a company plan for myself!

>>720113585
Yeah but it shouldn't be the law. I'm not against having health care, everyone should have it but it should be a choice, not law. The government shouldn't make it a law to purchase a product from a civilian organization. It's unconstitutional, plain and simple.

>>720113864
Many countries do this and it works. It might not be feasible in the US though. Most of the countries that it works in are small.