i really dont get it; why people treat trump like he is next to devil?
obama wasn't so great president, and he didn't keep he's promises; he ended up to create more wars, under he's rule monsanto got what it wanted and so on. from far east civilian point of view obama was and is monster. obamacare was literally joke.
clinton? people talk about her as she was some angel of peace? she voted for iraq war, and she supported afganistan war. as far i remember, she was the one who was ready to create wwIII by escalating situation beyond that point with russia in syria.
during these years under those two, people have suffered more than these liberals even realize. obama and clinton are reason for this european refugee crisis.
and now people are protesting trump because he has been "rude" to some women or he wants to "make america great again".
>>719858689 >So basically they feel exactly how conservatives felt for the last 8 years
Pretty much, but oh, the fucking whining. 'Get over it' they cry. No. You fucking didn't. You don't automatically get overwhelming public support just because your bloke got in on a technicality. The opposition are going to bitch and moan for the next 6 months just as much as you fuckers have been doing for the last 8 years
Did he really? The objective of the presidential race is to win 270 electoral votes (which Trump won in a landslide.) Not the popular vote. If anything, the technicality would be Hillary becoming president because she won the Popular vote, despite losing the electoral vote.
I'm referring to Obamacare, Obama's vehement attempts to impose stricter gun control, gay marriage (and specifically the societal backlash that has occurred against religious people as a result, we can debate that a bit specifically if you want, and no, I'm not personally religious,) the fact that Obama refused to acknowledge radical Islamic terrorism and would speak about some black guy that got shot by cops for pretending like he was reaching for a gun (and on occasion, actually doing so) before he spoke about cops that were killed in the line of duty, I mean I can go on, but the core of it is that Obama shit all over conservative values, and whether or not you hold those values yourself, you have to admit, that it's a scary thing to feel like the country is going down the shitter before your very eyes.
And now, assuming you're one of those that's "Scared" of what Trump is going to do, you get to experience it for yourself for probably the first time in your short life.
>>719860048 So you're giving Obama shit for trying to keep innocent people from dying because they aren't rich, christian, armed with an assault weapon, or black. Far cry from Trump thinking it's a good idea to let our enemies have nukes.
Honestly, I see liberals tote those same four words around so much that I'm not even sure half of you know what they mean. Why don't you substantiate literally any of those accusations, then we can have a conversation.
>>719860658 Nope. Your party is in power and after years of saying Obamacare is crap, they not once thought of an alternative. They were too busy saying "no" to align their interests with those of Americans to begin with.
So you're talking about TRUMP then? Not conservatives in general? Or are you assuming that every conservative automatically agrees with every single thing Trump says?
If it's the latter, then I suppose it's accurate to say that every liberal has agreed with every single word Obama has ever said?
>Racist Wanting a wall to prevent people from entering the country illegally isn't racist. It's funny because Bernie sent a tweet or something saying "We are not going to deport x amount of undocumented Americans" and I'm just sitting here like: "Why?" aren't they, by definition, not Americans? And don't give me that "Oh we were all immigrants once" crap that nobody likes to spout. That's a shit argument and everybody knows it.
As far as the ragheads thing, has Trump ever even said that publicly? If not, who the fuck are you talking about? Random racist people? Because there's plenty of Racist liberals, look at the people that say that Blacks "can't be racist" and then talk about wanting white people to die. So no, being racist isn't a purely conservative thing. Assholes stand on both side of the line.
>Sexist Yes, Trump said that he'd grab someone by the pussy, ten years ago. If you're telling me you've never said some raunchy shit while you were chilling with your friends, you're a fucking liar. Obama admitted to doing drugs in his book depending on who you ask, doing drugs can be seen as more serious than making an off color joke with your friends.
>bigoted See above
>ignorant In fairness, he's probably shit at world politics, I'll give you this one, but this is why we the taxpayer pay millions of dollars in taxes so that he can hire people to help him with that one.
That's a fair statement coming from someone who believes that everyone should be entitled to free healthcare.
With that being said, I personally thought that it was unfortunate that nobody has come up with an alternative anyway. But that doesn't really change that I think that Obamacare is shit.
I don't think that providing free anything on a national level will really work out for the better in any case. Country's big, has a lot of people, and more importantly, a lot of lazy people. The only reason countries like sweden and canada "get away" with socialized healthcare and things of that sort is because they have relatively small populations with relatively high work ethics. At least enough to carry the lazy people across the finish line.
Regardless of that people like to point at some of these countries that have the total populations of some cities in America and say "It works there, why can't it work here?" Well, no system will work well when you have more people taking out than putting in.
>>719862649 We're also the first world country that contributes the most military power in NATO, while many of those other countries slack off, leaving them a lot more money to spend on social programs that they don't spend on their military.
"Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus insisted earlier this month that Trump "has pivoted" away from his blanket ban to a new policy of banning individuals from terror states. "He has said he has changed, and he has put that position on the table and that is his position. It is not a religious test. It is a ban on immigration from countries that harbor or train terrorists,"
>Between 9/11 and the end of 2014, at least 380 foreign-born individuals were convicted in terror cases inside the United States. [U.S. Senate Immigration Subcommittee, June 22, 2016] >Between 9/11 and the end of 2014, at least 380 foreign-born individuals were convicted in terror cases inside the United States. [U.S. Senate Immigration Subcommittee, June 22, 2016] >From the year 2008 through 2014, nearly 13,000 criminal aliens were released back into U.S. communities because their home countries would not take them back. [The Boston Globe, June 4, 2016]
>In the last five years, we’ve admitted nearly 100,000 immigrants from Iraq and Afghanistan – in these two countries, according to Pew research, a majority of residents say that the barbaric practice of honor killings against women are often or sometimes justified. [U.S. Department of Homeland Security, August 2016], [Pew Research Center, July 22, 2016]
>>719863100 >Pew Research Center, July 22, 2016 Dude, I literally looked up that study you quoted and it said the opposite thing you're saying:
"More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances."
>. Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in Eastern Europe and Central Asia – including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) – relatively few favor the implementation of sharia law.
>>719863338 And? You are trying to argue that not all Muslims are terrorist, yes I agree with that. The fucking point is not allowing any Muslims to immigrate to the US because our vetting system is shit. Look at the other countries who allowed them in. They are being killed left and right. Dumbass
>>719863279 It's scary how high a number that is, 1% of Muslims in America (tested) justify suicide bombings. That's 1 in every 100 Muslims living in America that thinks suicide bombings are often justified.
>>719863538 Because THEIR vetting system is shit. It takes over a year and 17 agencies for someone to get screened to come here. This country is a country full of immigrants and we got mostly white dudes doing all the mass murdering.
If you read the link it says it right fucking there:
>In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.
>In the last five years, we’ve admitted nearly 100,000 immigrants from Iraq and Afghanistan – in these two countries, according to Pew research, a majority of residents say that the barbaric practice of honor killings against women are often or sometimes justified.
>we’ve admitted nearly 100,000 immigrants from Iraq and Afghanistan
here's the important one, Greg. We accepted 100,000 people from these countries.
>in these two countries, according to Pew research, a majority of residents say that the barbaric practice of honor killings against women are often or sometimes justified.
That part means that when people in those countries got polled, a metric fuckton of them think that it's cool to kill women because they took off their fucking scarves.
Then go go down to:
> Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law.
So when you have 99 out of 100 people who think that doing that shit is cool coming from Afghanistan, and 91 out of 100 people coming from Iraq, that doesn't seem like it's very good when people the genuinely think that murder is a very nice thing to do are coming in by the tens of thousands.
Nobody said that this happened in the US yet, we're only speaking of the clearly malevolent state of mind that the overwhelming majority of people from these places come to us with. You really need to work on your reading comprehension more than I previously thought, Jeff.
You then quoted a COMPLETELY unrelated quote regarding SUICIDE BOMBING from the same study saying that the study doesn't say anything about honor killing women.
If you understood this from the get-go, why even bring up the suicide bombing quote? Furthermore, isn't it kind of scary that up to 8% of muslims in the US think that Suicide bombing against civilians is also something that's justifiable? But that's besides the point.
I think that Obama did a lot wrong, and Trump, while not perfect, will do more right than Obama did. Not only that, he's got the senate and house majority so the only way he's gonna get cockblocked from doing some good shit is if it's really far out there and the GOP's like "nah dude we aint fuckin with that"
There's also no real tangible benefit to let people who come from countries that believe that honor killings and suicide bombings are cool into ours.
If they want to live barbarian lifestyles, that's fine. I hate to quote putin on this, because I know how hard you leftists salivate at the thought that Trump might be a Putin puppet but:
>In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari ‘a Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that's the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell 'discrimination'
You can cry about how that's intolerant or whatever, but it's true. People shouldn't be able to come in here from somewhere else, and demand that it be made like where they come from. They left that place to come here for a reason, and if they don't like it here, they should go somewhere that they do like.
>>719864313 Exactly. It only takes one to fuck it up for everyone. Look I am a Marine. I have seen first hand what they are capable of doing. Send a fucking 6 year old with a grenade just to kill a few Marines and soldiers. Yes keep them all out until this shit is over. Until you lose someone to this you will never truly understand. If you liberals have it your way, that will happen.
...Or we can accept more people from Western countries that are culturally similar to us, because assimilating people from those places is easier, and fewer people from countries very culturally dissimilar from us, because they take much longer to assimilate into our culture, and in the case of muslims, because roughly one in twelve thinks that it's okay to blow yourself up in the name is islam.
>>719865724 Only a few months ago, people were stockpiling weapons in fear that Obama would invade Texas. I can only hope that people assimilate to the right culture 'cause we're plenty fucked up in the head. Muslims or not.
I have personal experience with this one, though not specifically about Sharia law, but immigrants trying to get special treatment in general.
I grew up in Miami, and in Miami as a Latino that didn't learn to speak spanish fluently growing up, it was an absolute bitch to get a job in high school not knowing spanish. Literally fucking impossible. And the few times that I did get a job at shitty little grocery stores in my neighborhood, I would get complaints to my manager because I couldn't answer their questions in Spanish.
That's just one (admittedly minor) instance of this, and shit like this happens everywhere there's a high concentration of unassimilated immigrants and it fucks people (in varying quantities) that don't bend to their will. If people start to expect stores in an English speaking country to cater to them in any language other than English, what stops them from making their areas more like where they came from in more meaningful ways? And if we get enough of those immigrants, what stops them from getting laws in place that do this as well?
I'm not going to go all Alex Jones and say that we're going to have Sharia law next year or something, but there is evidence of immigrants trying to influence the places they go to to make things more convenient for them and less necessary for them to assimilate. So saying that they don't do that is a falsehood.
A fair statement, but I would rather them assimilate into a culture where people are wary of the federal government taking their constitutional rights,(even if they are a bit nuts,) than for them to go on thinking that blowing up kids with grenades to get at the US is something that's A-OK as long as they do it in the name of Allah.
Sure, as it's been said, it's one thing to think it, and another thing to enact it, but all of these things start as simple ideas.
Plus, if these people held even a fraction of the same beliefs about women, and bombings, and all the other things that they do, but instead were white, people would be screaming to shut the doors and keep them out before they poison our communities.
> Plus, if these people held even a fraction of the same beliefs about women, and bombings, and all the other things that they do, but instead were white, people would be screaming to shut the doors and keep them out before they poison our communities. >But because they're brown, it's all good.
look how triggered everyone got over grab her by the pussy
muslims do a lot worse than grab women by the pussy but since theyre not white and its cool to hate whites these days and love immigrants no matter what
Well, I didn't say that it'd be a simple process, and I'm not going to speculate how they might do it, but I think that the idea of gay marriage and how it went from being a disgusting abomination to something that is considered "just a thing some people do" could be cited as how something could go from sounding entirely absurd to reality in just a few decades.
All you need to do is convince enough very loud people that you're right.
Again, I'm not implying that this will even get close to happening with Sharia law, but I do think that it's fun to speculate, just for giggles. For example, gays do make up like, 3% of the population, (that's like 9 million people) and they've somehow, over the course of decades, convinced enough of the other 97% of the population, despite the majority of them identifying as Christian and other religions that disapprove of homosexuality, to sympathize with them.
So if you get enough of any demographic, and they make friends with other people, I'm sure that you could push pretty much any agenda and make it seem normal after enough time and propaganda. The key would be to make it seem like it's not a big deal. Like they're just "exercising their freedom of religion." or something, maybe get a bunch of Muslim women to say how they want it to be like that or whatever and that they consent to it all the while being intimidated behind closed doors by their husbands.
Again, this bit isn't really meant to be taken very seriously, just fun speculation, for my enjoyment more than anything else.
Agreed. Conservatives whined hard about Obama both times but as far as protests and shit like that go, pretty sure that the worst we had was the Westboro baptist church, and god knows nobody really took them seriously.
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