>>719765951 Before Obamacare like 47% of the bankruptcies in the country were due to medical bills. People can bitch about the costs and the problems but it is still an improvment compared to going bankrupt.
>>719766244 And that's why you have to wait months to see a doctor, even longer for a specialist, and you're likely to receive sub-standard medical care. Unfortunately, free health care that's easy to access is prohibitively expensive to maintain.
>middle class jobs go overseas >can't afford healthcare >get Obama care >trump say have job, obama care bad >step one, take obama care >step two, make job >step one complete >waiting >waiting >I'm sure that job that will allow me to raise a family and afford healthcare is right around the corner >any day now >any day in the next four years >Trump will make america great again >right?
Have any of you actually tried shopping for healthcare in the market place? It's a joke. Crazy premiums and deductibles. The only thing it's good for is if you suddenly get a major illness that requires long term care. If you break a leg you're still gonna be paying out of pocket.
>>719768643 Paying for healthcare is fine that is a noble good. Paying the administrative salary for both the healthcare insurance CEOs and the doctor's liability insurance atop the cost of treatment is what makes healthcare affordable.
>>719769843 It's even worse when you think about people who are born with lifelong conditions that are easily treatable but only by means of expensive medications. Say you have severe asthma your whole life. Not a particularly difficult thing to treat at all and albuterol is cheap as fuck to produce. So then the company that sells the albuterol designs an actuator with a sleek new look and a shitty little dial on the back to keep track of your doses and now all of a sudden they're able to charge out the ass for the whole package even though the only part you care about is the medicine that allows you to breathe like a normal person. If your condition is bad enough you may need a new one of these once every two months or more. So the mentality is basically that because you drew the evolutionary short straw and wound up with a shitty disease, you can either pay a fortune for the privilege of being able to function pain free on a regular basis like everyone else, or you can just die.
>>719771570 As an asthmatic who lives in an Obamacare Medicaid expansion state, it's been a life saver being able to get even the fancy name brand albuterol inhalers for only $4 instead of the $200+ they usually are. I can actually go outside and exercise and, in the long run, will be less of a drain on the healthcare system if I didn't and just stayed inside and got fat because trying to not be fat was literal torture.
Being a doctor under Obamacare was a nightmare. You had to see way more patients with the same limited amount of time and resources, and if a patient was unhappy, they could potentially sue you for everything you had. It happened to a neurosurgeon here in Chicagoland, so him and his buddies packed up shop and left. Now you can't find a neurosurgeon in that part of town, so anyone who would need brain surgery there is kinda fucked
>>719774666 That's not what he said, but regardless...for ridiculously expensive drugs, barring some patent bullshit, it goes like this:
Dr: I'm going to write a prescription for X Me: How much does that cost? Dr: (some number I don't like) Me: Nah, what else is there that's cheap that will get the job done Dr: Here's something for 95% less Me: Done (go to pharmacy)
If people just talked to their doctors about cash the way they do any other product these problems magically go away. I had surgery a couple years ago. Quoted through insurance ~$30,000 (had a 7k deductible, so that's what I'd pay in the end). Pay for it myself: $1,200. Had to get an MRI: One place wants $4,000. Call a few other places, got it for $350. Wife needed a test while pregant. Price with insurance: ~$2k, self pay price $30. That's why the ACA making illegal catastrophic insurance is such a scam. I don't need insurance for a $1,200 surgery. I need it for a $300k 4 year cancer treatment regimen
You niggers are too lazy to get on the phone for 10 minutes to save thousands of dollars but will spend days deciding which sneakers to get. Put on your big boy pants instead of pretending the system is broken because you're useless.
Thank god young people will not be allowed to use their parents insurance until they're 25 anymore! If they don't like it they can just get a job that pays enough. What does it matter they need college for those jobs? They should have thought of that before they turned 19 and no
Reminder that this is the system that the right wants >you need college to have a job that allows you to afford insurance >you may need insurance to help with medical bills while in college >inb4 accusations of getting a degree in gender studies or communications
Obama care was a joke. I had the bronze tier package and it was literally placebo healthcare I was forced to pay for. It was just 3 $60 copays just to see the DR. Medication prescribed or ANYTHING else that came out of it was all out of pocket. The deductible was $10,000 so everything was out of pocket until i hit the 10,000 mark. Had to pay like $300 a month for this abysmal "coverage" or have my income tax return be held hostage. Good riddance to being forced to buy that garbage.
>>719773132 What they need to do is nix the whole dial on the back idea and make the actuators reusable so all you have to buy when you run out is a new canister of albuterol. This would cut down on production costs and make the medicine significantly cheaper. They won't do it though because they love being able to charge you insane amounts of money for something you physically need.
>>719770641 so youre saying that despite paying your monthly premium, which you pay so that you dont have to pay large hospital bills, you still had to pay a large hospital bill. Tell me how the fuck that makes sense.
>>719776319 No, here's what actually happended with Albuterol.
For the lonest time, the "accelerant" or chemical used to actually push the drug through the canister and nebulizer, was called Chlorofluorocarbon. This chemical was banned, allowing for rich pharmaceutical companies to formulate a new Albuterol metered dose inhalor and re-apply for a copyright patent, thus allowing for the patent holders to license it out for absurd fees and charge consumers absurd prices.
What was your deductible? Sure a free physical and $25 copay is something but nothing significant if everything else is out of pocket. Say you needed medication, needed to stay the night in the hospital, have further tests done etc
>>719777021 They're actually trying out a new kind of deliver system that doesn't require an accelerant because the albuterol comes in a powder form. The metered dose is a little bit higher but it works fairly well. They are currently free if you get a coupon from your doctor, but I'm sure that will change in time.
>>719765951 What kind of greatest nation on earth doesn't look after its citizens? aah well, i was getting sick of the US with their shitty USA USA USA frat boy bullshit. The US got what it wanted, some loud mouth jock who just spouts shit and not Putin has won and Trump will have the US turn its back while the US builds a fucking wall and rips apart most of the social infrastructure. China will be a better superpower to lead the world over the coming years none of this frat boy bullshit. bye bye USA
The real root of health care costs has nothing to do with single payer, romney-care style ACA, or 'free shit'
It's the fact that nearly ALL of our medicine is currently palliative. We have two major things we do in medicine: Boost the body's immune system and let the body take care of things naturally, or reduce your suffering while you slowly die of your ailments.
Why is this? Because the human body is the most fucking complex thing we have an industry to manipulate. The state of the art of science and engineering has just barely gotten to the point where we can make predictable and repeatable changes to the body's structure, despite knowing how many body failures work for a long time. Until the CRISPR systems showed up, genetic engineering was shooting in the dark. Now that we have it, we can make the first few steps towards moving to honest-to-god CURATIVE medicine. Regulations hurt a little (and we can fix this by changing how we test medicine from clinical trials to humans-on-a-chip), and the 'muh free shit' subsidization the rich do of the poor also hurts a little more, but nothing hurts as anywhere near as much as the fact that we're currently putting bandaids on bullet holes. We do everything we can to keep people from dying and as people get closer to death that cost goes up exponentially.
IMO we should implement a quick-n-dirty singlepayer system for now, ride out the 'but muh taxation is theft bullshit' from republicans, pour a shit ton of money into regenerative medicine and genetic engineering, revamp the way the FDA tests drugs to increase effectiveness and also reduce regulatory compliance costs and then once we've actually got actual curative medicine, slowly switch back to a 'everyone pays their own way' model, because at that point doing it becomes financially possible without simultaneously being genocide of the poor.
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