Politicians are dumb the world over, it's frightening how many really seem to believe that their is some scientific conspiracy about global warming, the Aus senator Malcolm Roberts believes NASA fucks with the data, what a retard.
So this is what 4Chan has come to? Where Normies have come already being retarded puppets, that believe everything they hear? What happened when no 4Channer would take this and simply say, "Fuck off. Climate change is real, but humans don't cause it you newfag." God 4Chan has fallen thanks to you newfags.
>>719676670 Do the world a favor and actually look into it. Back in the 1900's, a Congress meeting had to be shutdown because it was over 110 degrees. 2 Years ago Texas had snowfall for the first time in 15 years. Do research or off yourself you liberal cuck.
I don't understand this climate change meme to be honest. Its just the renewable energy CEOs and cucks pushing that shit hard, 4chins cries about jews taking over america but they never mention the renewable energy cucks
>>719676442 it isnt about humanity being wiped out. that isnt going to happen.
the REAL problem is when some insanely populated areas of poor/developing nations are no longer liveable due to changes in the climate they will need to move elsewhere and we will end up with climate change refugees and having to spend trillions in foreign aid.
so yeah this isnt really about saving the planet to stop us being wiped out. it is about trying to prevent areas of the planet becoming impossible to live in because nobody wants tens to hundreds of millions of people trying to relocate in order to survive. because if you think war refugees are bad wait until you see how desperate and violent people get when they literally have nothing to lose, no place to call home and no food. hungry people will will do anything to survive. history has shown us that many many times.
>>719674723 >>719672413 FUCK OFF BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLE.FUCK OFF BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLEFUCK OFF BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLEFUCK OFF BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLE.FUCK OFF BACK TO /pol/ YOU FUCKING FAGGOT. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLE.
>>719675245 /pol/ is full of drooling retards that believe "meme magic" helped Trump win. That board is full of the most retarded faggots on the internet. It'd be funny if it weren't so sad, they're so fucking delusional.
>>719677276 Don't take this b8. This newfag thinks he knows everything after going on CNN and watching a documentary on the history channel. You realize scientists side with climate change being real, but not being the fault of humans. Also, Democrat run News networks like to over emphasize the statistics, and Barrack Obama has been caught tampering with them.
>>719679090 Fuck you niggercuck, this is one of a few interesting non biased places to discuss, and given the sheer volume of trump threads saying this isn't the place to discuss is fucking moronic. I get shot posting trollin etc. But there are people that clearly believe all of this shit and continually argue it here, i just wonder why the intelligent points aren't discussed more, while the shit posters shit post. But I understand you are too much of a stupid nigger to understand. Feel free to get back to your faggotry.
>>719674723 Oh noes! Let's all go riot in the streets like a bunch of liberal cunts! You know, just chimp out and shit? 'Cause something on a website isn't there anymore? Personally I'm gonna panic and shoot myself.
>>719679458 sorry to break it to you but nobody cares about green energy except a small minority, the average you couldn't care less.
And the fight against climate change is already lost. China is still full of smog, the economy in the EU is failing. Russia never cared, Africa doesn't care one bit. The middle east is still burning and so cares even less. Canada is still chopping trees and burning them south America is destroying the entire rain forest.
The sea is dying, coral bleaching has killed nearly the entire great barrier reef.
>>719679932 if I had a dollar for every time you posted the words "you are a fucking retard. Please kill you self" or a similar variation, would I have enough money to fuck your mom? Fucking brain dead sheep.
>>719680598 >719680598 let me guide you, dear ignorant redneck friend
"the world over" is an idiom, an expression used to mean "all over the world". The fact that you are too ignorant to know it, while at the same time trying to point out someone who used it correctly as "dumb", really is succulent irony...
I don't expect you to get it though, but it's ok, don't worry, our society is luckily advanced enough that we can take care of people like you. Had you been born just a few centuries ago, you would have gone down the toilet where you belong, you poor, poor retard.
>>719681033 >"the world over" is an idiom, an expression used to mean "all over the world". >Implying his retard moment was on purpose. You sure are fucking retarded. Maybe once you're out of your mom's basement and can debate like a real adult, then you'll begin to accept your mistakes and move on.
Are you even capable of having an original, or even a logical thought? No, you are shit, everything about you and your life is mediocre or more than likely shit tier. Posting the same nigger tier insults, spending everyday on 4chan, pimply and fat. Please don't kys. Please keep living in your shitty greasy hell.
BREAKING NEWS... THIS JUST IN... Ever since the ICE AGE our planet has been gradually warming, with temperature spikes (Medieval warming period) and falls (frozen Thames), before and after the industrial revolution. No doubt it's just a coincidence that solar activity (i.e. varying heat from the sun) correlates with Earth's temperature.
>>719682141 What argument? I never made an argument, I asked why intelligent comments receive little discussion as opposed to the moronic or extreme views. Implying most of you are fucking retard degenerates, and you managed to encapsilate my point perfectly. Good job niggerfaggot.
>People actually believing in man-made climate change. I didn't think people could get more stupid. Humans produce 0.01% of the greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. That's 99.9% of all greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere are NATURALLY OCCURRING. Not only that, but the warming cycle we're in right now is identical to the two that have come before it.
To believe in man-made global warming is to discard all reason. Humans have nearly no impact on the global environment.
>>719682968 Read the thread, there are a few interesting a well reasoned comments. And I have had great discussions on everything from IT to politics. Your thinking it's impossible to have discussion on 4chan, is likely because you either a newfag, or you are too stupid to even recognize intelligent discussion. I'm leaning towards both.
It's cool (sorry, I mean very warm). We'll cherry-pick some data (but not share it for peer review), concoct a faulty formula, draw a graph with a big spike at the at the end, then distort it for added effect.
>>719674723 Ehm guys it's actually true... They deleted all of them... https://www.whitehouse.gov/energy/climate-change Could it be that Donald Trump doesn't believe in climate change or are they updating it or something? This is interesting.
>>719685059 Show me data over a span of thousands of years to see if there is a pattern we're following or not. Using such a small time period is idiotic and doesn't prove anything. You need a larger sample otherwise your source is useless and gay.
>>719683197 Because they aren't going to fucking care fi you want em or not. Try and stop them and you'll face literally millions of extremely desperate and angry people. You think facing the chinese army would be bad? try dealing with 100 million refugees turned exterminator militias absolutely killing anyone that tries to stop them.
Not to mention every single nation would also be dealing with millions of their own refugees. Plus the Midwestern US, AKA the breadbasket would literally turn into an ocean and hello mass starvation.
Mind you this has happened before with the destruction of ancient civilizations at the hand of "the sea people" basically war, famine, and natural disaster refugees that toppled large empires through war.
>>719685437 This is why we have missiles, tanks, helicopters, jets, and infantry. 100 million refugees would be a charred parking lot in less than 24 hours. I'm not joking either, I would consider it a hostile invasion and eliminate the threat.
You're forgetting the mostly uninhabitable areas of desert in western USA would also change, what would stop the people dwelling in the east from inhabiting them and cultivating food? Surely with the added coastline the desert would be changed as well.
This is of course assuming you think the sea levels would actually rise more than 10ft anyway.
>>719686206 No point arguing with this idiot anon, he honestly believes their little armed forces would be able to handle what would equate to the single largest most desperate army that could ever exist while at the same time terraforming desert quickly enough to avoid mass starvation of their own displaced populace.
Vast majority of Americans are little more than pencil pushers and people who haven't worked hard manual labor. Add to this their southern neighbors are extremely hardy and survive far tougher shit than they do on a daily basis means they would stand a snowballs chance.
Looks like the americans have forgotten their ass whoopings at the hands of the Chinese (Korean Civil war), Vietnam, and who can forget the soviet union simply overwhelming the Germans through sheer numbers.
>>719674723 Finally! Is there Climate Change? Yes all of the time, which is why we had an Ice Age at one point in history, and a mini one in the 18th. Is Climate Change caused by man? Nope. Man changing what he is doing will have zero affect on it. The planet has longer cycles that man has been walking the earth. Am I for alternative energy? Yes who is not that has any form of a brain. The earths resources are not infinite, so yes they will eventually run out. So I am all for developing other way to do things, but I am not into demonizing, or mindlessly funding things to get there. This is where you invest your own money to risk coming up with something that can make you a greedy rich bastard. The man made climate change BS is just another way for the elite to fleece the commoners to keep them at a level they are accustom to, and to keep the people poor, and powerless.
>>719687171 Smog does not equal changing the Climate of the whole Globe. >>719687311 Is that all you have. The earth itself puts out more carbon than man in any given year, but you have fun being an indoctrinated zombie.
>>719677001 You understand that the US will go down with all of those poor/developing countries, right? Anything that significantly reduces the oil supply to the US for a sustained amount of time will cause the complete collapse of the US. The vast majority will starve, and those that try to "live off the land" without agriculture will pick the land clean and starve shortly after.
>>719687810 Do you not get that air travels and chinks breed like roaches? It will leak out everywhere. And I'm not pointing a finger at the reds; everyone does it. You inhale it daily, and it thickens the atmosphere, and in turn impacts the temperature. It's simple.
>>719687982 Actually if anything it will fall dis proportionally on the poor, and the Middle Class. But that is the whole idea in any case. Also anyone who think outside of the Group Think box is a heretic, and worthy of death.
>>719674723 One day, about half of you fags under 22 will actually start thinking for yourselves instead of just repeating the Lib drivel.
Only then, when you try to start a business, when you want cheaper gas, when you want more plastic shit, when your elec bill is 600/mo, when you get laid off because co. has to pay for more meaningless regs, you will understand.
You will either learn, or you will blame others and continue your path of submissiveness.
>>719687822 It doesn't happen over night dipshit, stop watching The Walking Dead. Ridding of the internal combustion engine is the first step which we already are half stride in. Improving the storage capacity of a battery to the point where it makes more sense then veing on the grid is alo a step we are taking. A few hundreds year into the industrian revolution took us here, and so it will for a new one.
>>719688117 >>719688183 I believe what the government tells me through the people they pay money to make up our tale of man killing the planet. Do not think past the sacred word of authority. The last time I remember science being settled in history was when the Catholic Church was imprisoning, or executing people for saying that the Earth revolved around Sun, when the Church said it was everything was rotating around the Earth. How well did that settled science work out?
>>719688776 Thousands of years? Redneck? Uneducated? Cheetos?
Show me a single piece of hard data that hasn't been either disproved, argued over authenticity, skewed, or manipulated. The only thing we can do is measure small areas and little parts of the atmosphere.
>>719688996 >Being this retarded. >Being this scientifically illiterate. >Not being able to understand that some of us have actually studied this for years and have taken part in the research.
Muh muh wake up sheeple! Please do the world a favour and keep the good name of Orwell out of your dirty mouth. I don't want it getting mixed with your bulllshit, your ignorance and the occasional cum that occurs there
>>719674778 I never understood why people thought humans abused climate change. The earth is much too adaptable for us to even remotely Damage it(aside from nuclear warfare). >>719674778 Especially if it's just air pollutants.
>>719689175 You're too stupid to argue with because any data thrown your way, you will find minuscule discrepancies or any other bullshit narrative and wiggle your way out.
How about this, you stop being a retard, you look at the Keeling curve, you look at the temperature charts for the last couple hundred year and then you look at the percent of scientists that agree and then maybe JUST maybe your little mind clicks.
Anyone who tells you trees/plants are vital to carbon storage is full of shit. Land-based biomass stores less than 0.001% of the Earth's carbon. Plant biomass absorbs CO2 while it's alive and gives off the same amount when it decomposes. Recycling paper is bullshit, because you pull carbon out of the fossil carbon storage to prevent having to grow more trees.
The ocean is the real jewel of carbon storage. Ocean-based biomass greatly outweighs land-based biomass and so stores more carbon. Furthermore the ocean absorbs and releases CO2 and other gasses as part of a temperature equilibrium. Lower temperatures increase the solubility of CO2, Higher temperatures decrease solubility.Changes in pH and other factors influence this as well. The ocean itself stores about as much carbon as the fossil carbon storage. Currently the ocean is giving off about as much CO2 as china each year as it tries to reach equilibrium between all of these forces.
Most of what fucks up the ocean's carbon storage equilibrium is caused by man. Most of it will fix itself if left alone. Paying a carbon tax allows the government to sponsor projects and technologies that allow us to leave the environment alone so it can heal, without having to compromise on quality of life.
Unless they fuck up the spending. They always fuck up the spending.
>>719689058 You do know that comment was about "climate refuges" right? Honestly, if you're not able to pay attention, it's probably best if you fuck off. Aslo >thinking Trump is gonna cause "muh climate apocalypse" Go hug a tree, faggot.
>>719689029 They like the everyone involved made up the facts you are touting. Good luck on that one. I know that this is scary to some of you, but the Earth actually has an unstable environment at times. Nothing is ever at a constant on this planet, contrary to what you have been told. >>719688776 You mean like the data, or actually that since the Peruvian glaciers have receded that plants that have not been seen for around 8K years ago are being studied. Which meant the climate was much warmer than now, and that the same scientists you are quoting choose to ignore such things. Your data is made up in computer programs. Also these are the same people that cannot so much as predict the weather accurately for a week let alone a decade. Also according to these same scientists the coastal areas should have been under water by now.
>>719689447 >>719689826 The more CO2 we pump into the air. The more plants flourish. Besides. I don't think it'll take more than 500 years for us to be able to colonize another planet moon. We've come astonishingly far in the last 200 years.
>>719689786 The mission statement and the execution are often different things with the government. The US and many other countries are pushing for more environmentally friendly energies and practices, and China is onboard with it because they see oil dependency as a weakness.
There are no sources on any of this stuff, dumbshit. That's what I've been trying to say.
A quick search gives the answer to this "majority of scientists" bullshit. From Forbes, even. http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#9038c6a7187f
Bibliography: Forbes, Right fucking now. Posted for pleb. ~remains unread.
>>719674723 Fakegate. Noone cares about this except people with agendas. Climate Change is the first real non-war boogeyman politicians use to squeeze funding and usurp powers away from the people. Scientific community is an establishment. Saw how corrupt the DNC is? Imagine how corrupt the RNC is? Dont buy it.
my state got an "education lottery" (lotteries are just a tax on the poor too) a few years back to "improve school funding and increase teacher salary". neither happened and they just spend the money on whatever the fuck they want instead.
duke energy in my state dumped all of its coal waste in the river because it was cheaper than disposing of it properly. they received a fine from the government (fine still less than the cost of proper disposal) and all they did was increase utility costs on customers to pay for it
you kids need to wake up and learn that the real world is fucked and the only goal to the game is to get dumb people to give you their money for whatever reason
>>719675291 It's a bit like in 1972 They said we would lose the supply of oil by 1983 Supply would have to be controlled Price would have to be controlled 1983 has passed They lied to make money Go figure
>>719691568 Read this bastard >719690747 My quick searches are just as meaningful as lib "statistics". The answer is "we don't know shit", not "let's tax the fuck out of everything and subsidize everything else".
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