Lol, trump is about to implement a single-payer healthcare system,

>>719353368
hasn't said what they are doing yet

go speculate on buzzfeed I hear they like fake news

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Oh boy! It's that time of the hour where liberals think anyone on 4chan voted for Trump in support of his policies instead of voting for liberal tears.

How betrayed we should feel, cucked, etc. Shaking.

>Insert links to CNN, MotherJones, Politico, r/politics, etc

>>719353368

absolutely hilarious how the left wing took something that worked fine,destroyed it.and then replaced it with something that only benefitted there welfare abusing supporters.now there all crying because donald trump isnt going to cater to them like obama did

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>>719353902
Nice pivot. Go from "he's gunna build our wall" to "we don't care what he does", only after you realize he won't keep the campaign promises. Shits gotta be hard to swallow. I wonder where the " lyin Ted" guy is now.

Actually it would not surprise me at all if that would be the case. The Repressicans will do it as well, and the Dems will cry about having a Universal System because they are not in power. That is how it is in a single party system with a left, and right. They are both progressive, it is just in how they screw the people that is different.

>>719354489
>Nice pivot.
It's almost as if numerous people voted for Trump with varying reasons for their support.

>>719354019
You could have just written "I have no understanding of what the ACA actually does", and it would have conveyed the exact same message and saved you some time.

>>719354019
Trump is going to treat the welfare leaches better than ACA did dumb ass.

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The beginning of another thread where everyone knows lots about stuff. So, nothing.

>>719354685
this

>>719355147
We can have a meta discussion starting HERE

>>719353902
That just makes you a retard tho

>>719355436
I'd argue it just makes me an asshole. Perhaps a retarded asshole, but I'm pretty content with my life.

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>>719353902

>voting for literal nuclear holocaust

>>719355888
I really enjoyed Fallout 2.

>>719353368
Still better than obamacare

>>>364457479

>>364457479

sony leaving console market for good to boycott trump

>>719353368
1. Obabo asks for universal single payer.
2. Republican-controlled Congress pitches a bitch and demands a shitload of compromises (written by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries) be included. The compromises make it fairly shitty for a lot of people.
3. The Republican-controlled media talk endlessly about how shitty the whole thing is and label it Obamacare so that his name is permanently associated with how shitty it is. Despite itself, it actually manages to help like 10% of the population.
4. Wait for a Republican president.
5. Repeal Obabocare.
6. Republican president asks for universal single payer. Republican-controlled Congress makes it so.

So we get what we need eventually, just as long as the nigger doesn't get credit for it.

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Trump wants to examine your asshole

>>719356888
>3. The Republican-controlled media talk endlessly about how shitty the whole thing
(Don't forget the death panels they kept talking about)

>>719356888

Repeal and replace was always about rebranding. They could pass the same fucking law and be happy as long as its called Trumpcare.

>>719356352
A single payer would be better than obamacare, that's what's so funny about it. When it was even mentioned years ago during the reform, the inbred hicks cried no. But when trump does it inbred hicks cheer.

Next up:
Obamer can't take our guns.
Trump comes for guns and hicks say okay.

Inbred hicks can be easily duped, you just have to have a mentally unstable oompa loompa do the duping, as that is the only language they speak.>>719356352

>>719356888
Exactly

>>719353368
Would you prefer people dying for not being able to pay medical attention?

>>719357442
Well this is always how they make the masses fall for it.
Bush passes the Patriot Act, the liberals cry about how Bush will abuse it, so he doesn't. Then Obama gets in abuses the shit out of it liberal are cheering, and pass the NDAA. The right whines over that, but do nothing. It is a system where each use the other to heap the abuses until the people are no longer free.

>>719356888
This. You nailed it. The only thing the GOP ever cared about was keeping the President from being recognized as the President. Block everything, at all costs.

President Obama won. The Republicants who ruined the ACA are now gonna own it. Maybe they'll actually make it work now. They'll take the credit, but history will record that it wouldnt have happened without President Obama.

>>719357951
Yes, that's what every red-blooded American wants. Let the free market sort things out. If you're too sick or crippled to afford healthcare, you're a drain on the economy and I'm not paying to keep you alive. Taxation is theft, and the weak should fear the strong. Rev up the gas chambers.

>>719353368
You're retarded.

The original republican plan was an expansion of medicare/medicaid, which was a single payer system.

The democratic party wrote some retarded system with no ability to implement or enforce it, and said, "Let's just pass it and see what's in it." -Pelosi

Now they're mad that they 1) didn't make it single payer 2) backed out on enforcing the tax penalties and 3) allowed "children" (age 26 is not a fucking child) to stay on a parents plan so it fucked up all the insurance pools and sent all the exchanges into monopolistic death spirals.

Now they have literally 0 power and you have to just cry while it's defunded and replaced with the same exact medicare/medicaid expansion that every single republican governor has been gradually implementing across the country. So long ACA legacy.

>>719354489
>You need a public position and a private position as well - Hillary

Literally our only other option. Cry moar faggot

>>719357951
No I would prefer a single payer system similar to Canada. I'm just pointing out the irony how people who don't understand a damb thing about the ACA want it repealed when what they might get in return is even more radically liberal. How did you not infer that from the OP? Are you retarded?

>>719358292
*tips fedora*

>>719357972
>The right whines over that, but do nothing
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/2943/actions

Huh, it seems they keep renewing it, even with republican majority

12/08/2016 Senate: Senate agreed to conference report by Yea-Nay Vote. 92 - 7.
12/02/2016 House: Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 375 - 34

>>719353368
How is you life anon? Good bad? Plz tell us your situation before you judge. Green text this shit and don't lie.

>>719356352
Yep, Trump will accomplish what Obama couldn't because no Republican wants it. Health insurance for everyone. Good for him.

>>719358427
Trump loves the poorly educated and they love him right back

>>719358356
No retard, read this
>>719356888
That's how it happened.
No republicans were calling for a universal single payer system during the reform.

>>719358753
>durr How do I make a law when no one supports me

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>>719358947
by making America great

It's not going to be their plan," Trump said, referring to the existing, highly controversial, complex and admittedly flawed Democratic program passed in 2010 along party lines. "It'll be another plan. But … I don't want single-payer."

Trump was once all for it. "We must take care of our own," he wrote in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve." "We must have universal health care. Just imagine the improved quality of life for our society as a whole. … With more than 40 million Americans living day to day in fear that an illness or injury will wipe out their savings or drag them into bankruptcy, how can we truly engage in the 'pursuit of happiness' as our founders intended?

"The Canadian-style, single-payer system in which all payments for medical care are made to a single agency (as opposed to the large number of HMOs and insurance companies with their diverse rules, claim forms and deductibles) … helps Canadians live longer and healthier than Americans."

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>>719356888
You forgot the part where the congress was controlled by the Dems and that ACA was passed without a single republican vote.

ACA is what started the whole R vs D "Obama will be a one term president" bullshit war. His plan to ram ACA through with 0% compromise is what has made Obobo so divisive, not race. He constantly went out of his way, especially during his first 4 years, to ram shit through without absolutely no reaching across the aisle.

That shit combined with executive orders/memoranda is why you now have Trumpy-poo and the solid red Senate/House/Governors.

>>719359635
but you know Republicans would've done the same.

>>719359820
>but you know Republicans will do the same.
ftfy

>>719359635
>without a single republican vote.
>He constantly went out of his way, especially during his first 4 years, to ram shit through without absolutely no reaching across the aisle.


>without a single republican vote.
>without a single
>republican
>vote

>>719359820
It's possible. However, you can't ram through HUGE shit like w/o relative compromise and not expect blowback.

That's what they did.

It's like having a room of 100 people, 49 of them have to pee, and 51 vote for no bathroom breaks then the next day the 51 who voted for no bathroom breaks have to pee only 5 of them aren't there and the 49 don't have to pee anymore. Shit get's real.

>>719358744
> Grew up in a very consertive religious home
> actually believed the bullshit Rush Limbaugh says
> actually believed the government was more of a hinderance
> went to skool
> got less dumb
> went to medical school
> learned god isn't real
> no need to hold conservative values when there is no feckless god to appease
> actually know patients who benefit from the ACA
> realize I benefit from the ACA
> realize the government actually has several programs that protect its citizens, but many are too stupid to realize it
> trying to make other people less stupid so we can make progress and get healthcare for everyone

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Trump will make the rich richer and make the middle class pay for it

>>719360660
Bravo

We need that kind of personal growth and dedication to learning by a majority of our voting citizens.

You're wrong about God, BTW. Talk to those buried deep into quantum mechanics, But everything else you nailed.

>>719353368

People don't have a problem with universal healthcare, op. They have a problem with healthcare costing so much. It's expensive.

If Obama had done what he said he was gonna do, and lower the costs to more realistic levels.. Americans wouldn't have minded.

But all you see is race, ideology, political spectrum.

Socialism has capitalistic elements. Do you consider socialism capitalism because of that?

I know you'll say "no", because that's just stupid. But, then you say universal healthcare makes our capitalism socialism.

??

> That's how stupid you are.

>>719360616
we should fight for more pee related legislation

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>>719360925
>You're wrong about God, BTW. Talk to those buried deep into quantum mechanics

>>719361010
Ha!

I thought this comment was related to this post

>>719360906 (he's golden)

>>719355979
This. Fuck Fawkes, I want a deathclaw for a friend!

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mmmm deeeelishusss

>>719360925
>You're wrong about God, BTW. Talk to those buried deep into quantum mechanics

Holy shit

Trump is trying to keep the poor covered and the middle class insurance privatized to lower premiums for them.

>>719353368
He won't. He was very specific about thinking it was a good system but not the platform he was running on.

Which is a damn fucking shame because, as a Trump supporter, I would fucking love it if he did. It'd be historic too, "Only Nixon could go to China and only Trump could bring us the National Healthcare System." they'd say every time he were mentioned. One can dream.

All I ever wanted was a nationalist who was also a little bit of a socialist. Is that too much to ask?

>>719360660
"Government" is not necessarily a hindrance.
Large, Federal, Government is a hindrance.

Lots of states have very good, very successful, medicare/medicaid programs. They're also expanding.

If you're in the industry, then you should understand that the two fundamental issues with healthcare in the US are 1) Lack of consumer involvement and 2) Waste.

You cannot guarantee medical care. You can only guarantee medical insurance. If you are going to guarantee medical insurance, you have to have a guaranteed "quality level" as defined by the law. This means that NO MATTER WHAT, you are going to have LEVELS of care. There will ALWAYS be poor people care and rich people care.
You will accomplish more by forcing the industry to INFORM THE PATIENT about costs and then incentivizing the patient to hold the hospital/doctor/insurance company/whatever accountable for the cost.

Right now, no one knows what anything costs. This kind of legislation is FAR more important that giving people free shit.

It would promote competition, eliminate waste, help track unneeded and unwanted testing and get more needed/wanted testing, and give the patient more for less. This would then start to raise the level of care for the average person.

Rich people will always be able to cure themselves of cancer. Poor people will always die of a rare disease. There's nothing you're going to do about that.

>>719353368
>trump is about to implement a single-payer healthcare system

Citation needed

>>719353368
>thinks people voted for Trump because of his views on health care

>>719360926
>Bernie's strict immigration laws
Ha! Maybe before he was running for President and even then "strict" is a hell of a stretch. On the campaign trail he was dancing to the progressive tune like a puppet even though he had once called open borders a Koch brothers plot.

>>719362076
No citation, strictly bait.

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>>719360927
>Socialism has capitalistic elements

>>719360927
But healthcare costs were skyrocketing and the ACA lessened the damage. It was going to grow no matter what was done. There wasn't a master plan that would have stopped that entirely (and if there was it was likely too radical to be pushed through Congress at all, let alone completely butchered before being passed like the ACA).

I know way more Americans who either benefited from the ACA or are indifferent to it (they either saw no change or saw less price increases than were expected without it) than those who are being negatively effected by it. I hope whatever plan Trump has is passed quickly so millions aren't left out to suffer.

>>719361930
You have some good thoughts here, not that I agree throughout, but much of it is sound.

But change that last line to "Poor people will always die of common diseases (cureable, preventable)

>>719361930
Tl;dr

>>719353368

I know it's bait. I voted Trump, because I couldn't live in Hillary's America. If Trump actually implemented single payer healthcare, I would be very happy that he still had some of his Liberal leanings and would be happy people don't have to go bankrupt because they get cancer anymore.

>>719362337
The ACA took months of consulting experts.
If something is ramrodded through quickly will it be any good?

>>719362550
Hillary would be another 4 years of Obama. Some of the best growth we've had.

>>719362290
>>719360927
Socialism is a government ideology
Capitalism is an economic policy.
Lenin was Communist.. a non-capitalistic socialist aristocracy.

If Trump actually put in a single payer system i'd vote for him this time. I am a hardcore liberal. Single payer absolutely will not happen.

>>719362642
No. Which is why I hope "repeal immediately" is a ledge the GOP can be talked down from. If they want to replace it with something they think is better, that's their prerogative. They won, they can do what they want. But repealing it with no plan for replacement already in place is a recipe for disaster that shouldn't morally sit right with anyone. Is the hatred for anything that came from Obama so great that they'd be willing to pull out the carpet from under millions of their constituents? My mind obviously says no, but my heart isn't so sure they care that much.

>>719362337
>But healthcare costs were skyrocketing and the ACA lessened the damage. It was going to grow no matter what was done.

No, legislation to reign in healthcare costs is what was needed, and what should have been done. Universal healthcare is something that should have came AFTER.

Folks like you are simply impatient. You think building a house on a bad foundation is a good idea.. the foundation will just be fixed sometime down the road.

Reality doesn't work like that

> I hope whatever plan Trump has is passed quickly so millions aren't left out to suffer.

Give me a fucking break. Life-threatening illnesses were already required by law to be treated by hospitals. It's not like people are dying on the streets without ACA.

As far as non-life threatening illnesses.. those millions can kiss my ass. If they want a better life, they can work for it.

I'm not their daddy.

>>719353368
5:27

https://clyp.it/ijpsirbw

yeaaaaaa. Trump met Putin. This country's been cucked.

>>719360660

at what age did you achieve pure euphoria

>>719359635
It is kinda bullshit that awful blue dogs destroyed single payer

>>719363092
I'm stone cold absolute against the hate filled Orange fascist, brought to power in large part by Putin and by Comey.

But..... If he can get a good, functional system of universal health care in place, I will change my tune and sing his praises. I truly will.

But I'm not holding my breath.

Also, this is good: >>719362836

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>>719363472
Savage:Have you met Vladimir Putin?

Trump:Yes, one time, yes a long time ago.
>Got along with him great, by the way.

>>719363200
So people should be left to have a life full of pain and suffering that could be treated because their life didn't play out the way they wanted?

Isn't it better as country to not have a bunch of people unable to get treatment? We'd likely have less workers with bad backs or bad knees or suffering from depression or dying from some disease that could have been prevented if they had gotten treatment sooner. More money would be moving throughout the economy and not caught up in medical debt. You'd honestly prefer all of that money not seeing the light of day? These people would buy houses or start businesses, not pay absurd amounts of money due to accidents or genetics or the fact that they started off poor in a climate where upward mobility is incredibly difficult and they are almost assured to never be in a position with enough money to pay for their healthcare in the first place.

Assuming everyone can work will only get you so far, until you're the one that can't work.

>>719359635
>aca is what started the whole R vs D
hah, go study history kid

>>719353651
>go speculate on buzzfeed I hear they like fake news

don't piss me bro

>>719356888
>>719356888
I'm ok with it, but that won't happen. You think congress is gonna let that shit happen? no.fucking.way.

the only way to make single payer viable is with massive government money. I'm ok with that - but republicans won't be.

>>719364258

> the fact that they started off poor in a climate where upward mobility is incredibly difficult

We're talking about the US, ffs. Where "upward mobility" is the easiest it has ever been for people. We live like kings, anon.

Other than that, I mostly agree on the rest. Life is a bitch for some, and for them.. yes, I agree.. a little help from everyone else isn't a bad idea. The problem is that a lot of people who can provide for themselves don't, instead choosing to take advantage of systems.

Fix the foundation, FIRST. Reign in the costs, and Americans won't mind universal healthcare.

Shove 2700 pages down our throats, when only 700 has to do with healthcare, and we're gonna have a problem with it.

>>719357280
>>719357280
irony here is your privatized HS is way more likely to have a death panel.

>>719357442
>Trump comes for guns and hicks say okay.
>>719357442

I can't wait for this. After some asshole takes a potshot at drumpf shit will go down.

>>719364925

lol, no President will ever con Americans into giving up their guns. You're fools for thinking that's even remotely (like Pluto orbit) possible.

>>719353992
I cant be the only one who thinks tanless looks better...

>>719364827
I was being ironic, the whole thing was fearbaiting like it has been ever since it passed

>>719364818
>The problem is that a lot of people who can provide for themselves don't, instead choosing to take advantage of systems.

where do you get this opinion - is it your actual experience? I'm just asking because most people I have met that are poor / foodstamps / etc - i don't see them taking advantage of anything. I know a woman who is mentally ill and in order to eat she gets free "throw away" food from a grocery store once a month. its all expired / rotted potatoes and shit. she is on food stamps, and SSDI - but $600 p/mo just doesn't go that far.

>>719365037
>>719365037

>Trump is from new york which has gun control laws
>He believes they work in NYC
>Is in favor of NYC's illegal stop/frisk program that was cancelled

Why is it so crazy to think he would want that in other places?

>>719353992

So where is the article from Buzzfeed about what Clinton would look like without makeup?

>>719365101
yeah I got it

>>719365348
this is the dumbest thing I've read today

>>719365037
Americans have been conned into thinking trump is fit for the presidency. I don't think they'll give up all their guns, but I bet they'll be more open to expanding background checks and restrictions on military style weapons.

>>719365301

I never said it was crazy for Trump to want anything. He can want whatever he wants.

That doesn't mean Americans will give a shit. No president will ever con Americans into giving up their guns.

It won't happen.

>>719364818
>We're talking about the US, ffs. Where "upward mobility" is the easiest it has ever been for people. We live like kings, anon.

Are you being ironic? Upward mobility is the hardest it's ever been for people.It's one of the main symptoms of the massive income inequality we have in the US today. And that gap is getting bigger.

Why do you care so much if a relatively small portion of those who receive "take advantage" when the vast majority of those do not? Are there any statistics about individuals somehow taking advantage of the ACA?

>>719364827
yes indeed. The death panels already exist. But they make their decisions on a profit basis. Who would you rather have running your death panel - the government, or an arm of the CEO?

>>719365426

You didn't think the Buzzfeed Trump without fake tan article was stupid?

Ever heard of sarcasm, dumbass?

>>719365518

The moment you were born was a waste of time.

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>>719353368

Everyone, stop replying to this b8. Back to your gay, porn, and trap threads.

/thread

sage

>>719365603
It's kinda funny though, you can see how much make up/spray tan he uses

>>719365811
I was actually really proud of myself for how much legs this bait got.

>>719355888
Frankly either candidate seemed like a nuclear coin toss with how badly Hillary antagonized Russia.

>>719366049
I can't agree. The relationship with Russia under Obama was strained but nothing came of it. Hillary would have been more of the same. She may have been a hawk but the Dems have never been posturing as though they wanted to get into anything with Russia. Up until sometime this fall the claim that the GOP would be the side that was groveling at Putin's feet was absolutely ridiculous.

War with Russia wasn't going to come from either candidate. We're more likely to align with Russia in the future now, but the relationship was never going to be bad enough to lead to war no matter who won. Because that war doesn't benefit us, it doesn't benefit Russia, it doesn't benefit Europe, it doesn't benefit the Middle East.

God did people really believe that Hillary would get us in a war with Russia? Over what exactly? Syria?

>>719366699
She said she wanted a no fly zone over Syria. Which would mean war with Russia.

The only fact is that America is Putin's bitch now.

>>719366946
It literally wouldn't but okay. Syria is not important enough for Russia to start a war with the West.

>>719353368
>Lol, trump is about to implement a single-payer healthcare system
Good. Glad I voted for him.

>>719353368
If trump implements single payer he will get be on the way to getting the poor off welfare and back to work in a shamalan level plot twist no one saw comming

>>719353368

The Donald could do a lot of good before the Jews catch up with him...

>>719353368
>access to insurance for all
>single-payer

might want to read something other than mother jones.

regardless anything is better than obamacare. the only people that are for it are the medicaid subscribers and millenials still on their parents insurance

>>719367722
Lol
>>719367885
Lol

Looks like the Democrat plan to trick the Republicunts into electing a NYC Liberal is starting to pay off. Thought it was curious how quickly Clinton gave up on Election night no less despite the outrage.

>>719367454

explain to me again how implementing a no fly zone over country with multiple russian airbases wouldnt lead to conflict?

bump tor that pathetic internet tough guy telling people to post their address from the last thread

my sides achieved orbit velocity trolling him

>>719356888
Obama was in majority democratic congress for all his term save for the last two years.

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Planet Nibiru draws ever closer and what are you faggots doing? Wasting your time on the internet jerking your tiny dicks to traps and nigger cuck porn. Well I got news for you: Obama has no intention of leaving office for he is the 44th king of Babylon. Blood will flow from every nation and fire will rain from the sky. You will all beg for death as you are buried in the ashes of your loved ones but death will not come. Humanity will be plunged into eternal darkness. Say your prayers, faggots..

I only voted for trump to see the liberal meltdown. I havent been disappointed.

>>719370204
but will there be cake?

>>719365465
remember..sandy hook was a charade. no one died there

>>719353992
Oh... oh god..

>>719369429
but clinton and obama made it so russia wouldnt dare do anything to the us /s

>>719370049

I'm sorry sir, but you apparently don't remember any history, are unfamiliar with internet search engines as a source for information, or are just a total fucking ignoramus.

Personally, I am betting on TFI.

>>719366699

You will see. Putin will be best friend to American people. Russians do not want war, but we will help America in the 21 century. You need to know how to deal with terrorist. Russia can teach you this. You have no security. Russia will teach you protect your self. You will see. Putin will be very, very good for American.

>>719372566
Putin is a self serving megalomaniac who's embezzled billions in state funds and give zero fucks about any enterprise hat doesn't serve to in crease his own wealth and power.

>>719364119
i'll take simo hayah for 400 please alex

>>719371965
What kind of retarded response is that?
You got rekt, child
Now gtfo

>>719372769

Putin is strong leader who has make Russia a world power again. Trump will do the same for American people and Putin will be there to help him. Trump will be to Make America Great Again, and this is what Russian people want. Putin will be good friend to America, you will see.

>>719372769
>Describing literally every American given the chance

>>719363100
It's a ledge only Democrats think the GOP is on. Paul Ryan has repeatedly said there will be a replacement if the repeal. Other GOP Rep have said the same. If the SOTH doesn't introduce the bills nothing will matter, he controls what gets voted on

>>719374170
In 50 years Russia's population will have dipped by like 30 million because all the young people are fleeing like rats out of a sinking ship or refusing to bring kids into that shithole country. Also your population will be like 40% muslim by then cuz they're the only ones reproducing. Enjoy your assault trucks you track suit wearing, vodka guzzling, shaven headed, squatting in parking lot slav bitches.

>>719362440
I was out of the loop in the particular case, but seriously, maher was behind that cunt? I feel immensely betrayed he didnt feel the bern

>>719374258
>except for all the ones that had the chance and passed it up

>>719355436

You act like voting matters and both sides aren't shills and have always (at least since the 50's) been shills wearing a different color tie