Guys i'm actually getting close to a real answer to what the meaning of life is. I'm not trolling or making political point or anything that you'd expect on here. I'm going to do it and i'm very close to a real answer. If anyone here is actually willing to talk about this I am willing to explain. pic completely unrelated needed something to allow me to post.
Okay ill term some of the concepts to suit you guys. first of you need to understand that humans are just programmable in the language of knowledge. A human raised in the wilderness by animals would know nothing but to hunt mate and find shelter and there are some documented cases of this if you look for it. The point is that without knowledge humans are like a robot without any code, function-less.
>>718813873 ill give you an analogy so you understand what i am saying. Imagine 5 years after you are born another "thing" comes into existence and its sole purpose is to catch up with you. When it finally reaches you, you no longer pursue stimulation aside from things like sex which your brain compels you to do naturally. You fall further and further into a pit of nothingness. The longer you escape this thing the more you learn of the world and of the nature of life or "god". It can be avoided through stimulation and knowledge, not knowledge in the sense of sciences and maths. The knowledge that saves you is the same knowledge that allows you to form complex thoughts.
OP life has no meaning. U can easily hang urself and end it. Or u can just live a meaningless life until u die of old age. Stop trying to make sense out of nonsense. Ur putting big words together to sound like u know shit. But u dont. So stfu and fuk off cunt.
>>718814951 My working hypothesis is that the universe was created with certain parameters similar to whatever lies outside the universe and that organic species simply "discover" things in an accelerated time. The data discovered by every specie is harvested. Time is relative so this data may have been generated instantly for "them". When we smash protons together in the LHC they're travelling at close to the speed of light and anything that fast will have a much slower timeline (again REALLY not going to go into detail). so just the same way that time is much slower for that proton but instant to us, our universe's life is long for us but probably instantaneous for "them".
>>718815090 >>718815040 It's a legit theory. As it stands, in our current existence, we're already playing and tinkering with simulations. If there's even just one other advanced civilization out there with similar technologies or discoveries - and they're ahead of us by only, say, 500 years, can you imagine just how advanced and convincing their simulations would be? What reason is there that we AREN'T in that simulation right now? Odds actually seem astronomically high.
For our existence to survive we need to fulfil our purpose. So long as we do and we remain an asset we continue to exist. There is no afterlife no heaven no hell. You are not rewarded for simply existing. DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO DO IN THIS INCREDIBLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
>>718815770 And what if I'm not content with decay? If I want to burn eternal through this world? I feel as if I'm imbued with draconic power, yet through all my triumphs, I have not felt satisfied. This "thing" you speak of should never catch up to me; I'll fight it down and continue on. What then, if not decay, is my purpose?
>>718816186 You do not choose to not let it catch up to you. The short answer is that you prolong your life until you meet your biological limitation. Do you want to know the implication of this and the somewhat longer answer?
>>718817131 I got to the same conclusion some time ago. I also think that if it's not us humans that reverse enthropy then it's gonna be some other lifeform. This makes us a process, a core part of existence itself.
Life is like a game. But you don't know how the game works and what it actually is, what is a main goal and what is just a decoy. You start collecting data even before you are born, but you'll never know what i the actual end game. And I don't mean death - as I said, life is like a game, you can finish it in 100% or in 40%. So, I assume, that the goal is to gather as much knowledge as you can. But there are some decoys, for example instincts or social needs, that keep humanity going on. And here's a catch - no one can finish the game in 100%. So, if you can't finish the whole game, you need to set a goal for yourself. And these goals are the meaning of life. They are, because we think they are, and that's important.
You are allowed to live your life without self-set "realistic" limitations. You can go quit your job pack a rucksack and walk. Just walk, travel the world discover ancient places and artefacts, teach yourself complex mathematics or push your body to its absolute physical limit. Literally anything you can fathom of doing. The end result is the same, biological decay. Nothing about your future is undetermined since you have no real free will. You will simply experience your life. It may well be predetermined that you today do everything mentioned above and although you think you chose to do this, it was bound to happen since the universe began. The only thing you can take solace in is that you "control" what you experience and it can be sitting behind a desk for 40 years or traversing mountain ranges hunting travelling the seas going to islands and exploring the deepest parts of the earth. You aren't part of the generation which can explore the universe in star-ships. There is no such thing as justice or fair in the universe we are not capable of "randomness" we just have a very large number of variables in our lives.
Most humans actually give purpose to their life through having children and following a religious faith. It is ingenious, and i believe that someone came to the same conclusion as us a long time ago and did it to spare the rest of mankind. You keep a population dumb by providing "answers" so that they do not seek them on their own. either that or they just wanted to immortalise themselves by creating something that outlives them.
>>718818327 Drugs have the effect of removing some of the self set limitations from your immediate consciousness for a short while. These limitations prohibit you from seeking answers to the most important questions.
I have just one proof. Knowledge which once i share with you, you would be seen as an anomaly or a pathogen if you will. Death will come to you sooner than you expect when you know it, and the fact that death will come to you sooner if you know it will reassure you that what i'm telling you is credible.
>>718818526 I was visualising that us, humans, are the creation of a god, but there were more gods, and they were competing amongst each other in creating beings, and we were just the result of a game in a sense
>>718817950 After thinking a while longer, I came to conclusion that people are searching for the meaning of life because they simply can't understand randomness, that's why they say this or "invent" religions
>>718818700 i will not post it of course since this knowledge escaping and becoming common will defeat our purpose of existing and we will likely stop existing. We would no longer be an asset. This knowledge is peculiar in the sense that anyone who can come across it on their own will never speak it out loud because they know the consequences.
>>718817541 The instant we no longer serve our purpose we will cease to exist. No one would experience anything it would all just stop. You wouldn't see black it would just be nothing. The complete lack of anything, you would not be conscious it would happen and everything would be over.
>>718812083 What if we are all in a sim, and time is just the processing limitations of the computer we run on. Might be why when space expands, time slows down. More complicated, more processing power
>>718814564 that is an extraordinary claim. do you have extraordinary evidence to back that claim up?
youve given something that is unfalsifiable but it requires mor assumptions to be made to assume that we are manifestations of one mind than it does to assume that the evidence that we have at hand which clearly shows as separate beings is correct.
we as a specie were likely a side effect of the programme or simply server a trivial purpose in the universe while the universe on a whole serves the purpose of collecting data. Think of the laws of physics as parameters and then the universe as a simulation of what would be should xJ of energy be put into a singularity which is then with the addition of "time" allowed to expand. Then the interactions of every particle and energy with matter is simply data that is collected for an unknown purpose that we cannot fathom. The parameters set in the universe by "them" are similar to the laws which govern their existence and maybe ... "they're" seeking a way to exploit it.
>>718815678 more importantly does it matter? if we are in a simulation we will never know most likely and even if we do its not like we will be able to suddenly change the rules all together. we would only be a part of the simulation not free agents. beyond that if we live in a simulation nothing changes in our lives. we simply continue to live as we have now knowing this fact.
>>718814564 you're not the first person to have said that. but if you found that out on your own, good on you. it's actually a pretty old idea from hinduism. forget the term for it but it's something like "lia" or something. means "play." essentially the idea is that this is all a big game that the universe plays with itself to better understand itself.
We could spend all our money on scientific research which would allow us to create a universe of our own or some sort of simulation with a decelerated time which would allow us to be our own gods living eternally in a universe of our own design. The idea is about as alien to us as telephones were to the Egyptians. This is one of a billion things we could do to escape.
you are all wrong...... AND you are all right as well....
Don't you understand yet?
Just sit back, smoke one... and wait for it..... until we master the sub atomic universe we are on for a long journey ..... let's just not kill each other in the process or we will never see the real end.
>>718822168 That is inadvertently saying what i said.You live long enough to procreate, sustain the population, allow it to grow so that the date we produce is produced at an exponentially faster rate.
>>718821494 he talked about how its likely that if a reasonable simulation of a universe as complex as our own could be run inside of our universe then in all likelihood we live in a simulation. of course this assumes that a universe like ours would be able to create a device that could run a simulation of a universe at least as large and complex as our own because otherwise the simulation idea becomes far less likely at best due to the inability to have infinite downward simulations within simulations. >>718821328
>>718814564 I came to this conclusion myself. I call it "The Human Brain" theory. I feel, like neurons, or a single simulation played out in a supercomputer, we experience and develop to compile this knowledge into some great final equation. We are utterly inconsequential, but serve to solidify a final hypothesis. Much like a neuron in a learned action.
I gain no peace through this though. I resent being born with the knowledge that I exist to die.
>>718822226 again its not a literal thing. When i said "it catches up to you" i meant it in the sense that you simply live for the sake of living. You no longer ask important questions you settle down and marry, have kids, join societies ect. You then just decay, die.
>>718822794 what makes you think thats the case? and by what means is that the purpose of life? you are effectively saying that the purpose of life is not to ask and just try to be happy. that's a very pragmatic view point but does not constitute "the purpose of life"
>>718820858 To be clear the universe is not conscious it more like a machine just doing what it does expanding and increasing complexity. The nature of the universe is change it can't be stagnant so once we reverse entropy everything will start to shrink so we would have to eventually restart the expansion of the universe inorder to avoid a "big crunch" scenario. At this point we( read consious beings) would be in complete control of the expansion of our universe.
Its kind of like the universe is setting itself up to eventually have consious control over itself through the use of us as its consciousness proxyies.
So basically we are the "they" and why would we stop our own existance
>>718823061 no not asking questions is a simple solution in which anyone could be happy. There really is no "purpose" for life, that is an idealistic viewpoint. There is only reason for our continued existence is that we provide data, albeit not much.
>>718815678 >>718821741 This also ties into my theory of gravity. I think that gravity exists the way it does, as one of the only universal perpetual-motion phenomena, which we are unable to fathom using pure science, because rather than it making sense due to real natural physics, gravity exists because it was PROGRAMED to exist, to suit an end, rather than be created naturally.
Think about computer games: We create games with certain physics because it replicates life. Without gravity in games, they would become mindlessly repetitive and difficult to control. So the solution is program gravity to serve as a vehicle for narrative, rather than to replicate some real-world astrophysical constant that can occur naturally.
in short: The Universe needed it to be productive, so someone programmed it.
>>718823296 I can only present you with knowledge, what you understand or take from it is entirely based on the series of events that led you to be who you are today, the knowledge you have attained and level of thought you are capable of.
Your mistake is believing the final equation has no bearing on you. Life and consciousness, our spirits and souls, become one. The bones that bind us turn to dust and each fraction of unique experience across all of us serves all of us as a central intelligence and a means of inhabiting new places and new forms of life, higher evolve forms, in this cold dark place that is the universe.
That is our purpose anon, to drive the force of life that has given us consciousness. Eternally splitting and reincarnating.
>>718814564 i'm pretty sure we exist for the sole purpose of creating an equilibrium because there is so much disorder, and our existence is just a means of decreasing entropy. so there is no grand meaning, the human brain just want's to know more and thus it creates theories that seem logical
>>718823853 Not humans as a whole, the interactions of the particles and energy which constitute us. The universe as a whole. So long as events occur the events could be what "they" are trying to record. we do not know what exactly they are trying to find only that they are looking for some data and it is contained in our universe in some form. If it wasn't the universe would serve no purpose and would cease to exist.
>>718823497 Well this is just conjecture obviously i dont know the exact meaning of life. But mostly im just applying my reason to the details of what i understand of the universe. The universe is going to continue to expand faster and faster untill eventually even atoms are going to be torn apart. This will be the end of the universe. No natural known process can stop this. The only thing that has a hope of slowing down this expansion would be an extremely clever and advanced civilization who could take matters into their own hands and do somthing about it. Now in the universe everything has a purpose qwarqs form subatomic particles which then form protons, electrons ect which then form atoms and so on , on an ever inceasing chain of rising complexity. We are a part of that chain and the only way for that chain to continue is for us to somehow solve the universal death sentence that is heat death. We are the natural process the universe created to ensure that complexity can continue to rise.
Sorry about the grammer Also im not a scientist so i understand that im making certain assumptions about things i dont understand but i think they are safe assumptions to make.
>>718825290 at the point of greatest expansion, it will reverse and contract, feeding its counterpart's expansion. The singularity is just the valve between two quantified verses breathing into each other. Within these two are portals to the alternates transfinite and definite sets.
>>718825290 what makes you say that the universe is tryng to stop the heat death of the universe? why would it? what makes you think that it would try to stop it own end, have the means to, have the will to, or have any will at all. isnt it just as likely that the universe will just die and we are simply a result of the laws that existed within it rather then made for some goal?
>>718823187 I draw parallels between a child's developmental momentum and the development of humanity in general: At first, it takes so much processing power for an infant to simply walk upright and babble before shitting itself. Eventually, the more the child's neurons develop, make connections and progress through experience, they experience a leap in learning and development. The capacity for advancement multiplies exponentially as the neurons develop a better web of communication between each other.
Now take humanity: We spent hundreds of thousands of years just living like Niggers, with a lifespan of 30, stagnating culturally and intellectually. But slowly, our lines of communication started to improve: language skills-stories-the written word-books-letters-libraries-telegraphs-telephones-televisions-tapes-computers-internet... As time progressed and we were able to share our scientific, cultural,technological and medical breakthroughs with increasing efficiency, so did our species begin it's rapid development into civilization. We advanced more in 3000 years than we did in the preceding 20,000 years. As our ability as a species to connect our metaphorical "neurons" developed, so did our capacity to expand our horizons and abilities.
Therefore I theorize that the course of human development mirrors that of a developing brain, which might add credence to the theory that we are, individually, a part of a wider "mind" that uses us to develop.
>>718823603 I mean them in a universal sense as in we are a part of the conscious beings of this universe. Consiousness is a shared attribute of all highly intelligent beings. Stopping entropy is the job of all intelligent beings in the universe because if we do not well then we all die. They are not somthing other from us they are a part of our universe even if they are aliens or what ever.
>>718824412 Without being conscious to appreciate it, I may as well be nothing. And to really contemplate the nature of nothing is one of the most heart-freezing things a person can do, provided they are aware enough to truly look at what that would feel like.
>>718826188 so you assume that we are part of a single mind acting as its small coonectiong neurons like individual transitors unaware of the whole.
I got that already. now answer me this.
why is that you make the leap to say that we are one entity? there is no evidence to support this whatsoever other than equating all of life to being the same in concept as one mind which would be a logical fallacy.
>>718826027 Because since the beging of time litterally the only thing the universe has done is increase in complexity if the universe end well so would the chain of rising complexity. Its the only thing i can do and its going to continue doing so even at its own paril.
I think a better question would be why is the universe trying to become more complex at an ever increseing rate.
if you really had an appreciation of philosophy you'd be happy that more people are discussing it, at whatever level. My guess is you're burnt out and aren't enjoying these ideas so you don't want anyone else to either
>>718826843 you are missing the point. the universe doesn't do anything. we live in it and by its rules. it has no will and is not attempting to create more complex things they simply come into existence over time due to the rules of the universe.
>>718825899 Thats assuming alot of things that have yet to be proven but ill let it slide because i pretty much did the same thing. That said most scientists will agree the the expansion of the universe will continue on forever if left unchecked also no one understands the singularity that started the universe thats why its called a singularity its a way to say idk but still sounds smart.
Also again im not a scientist and accept that i am probably wrong
Complexity only arises when there's a surplus of energy, all the complex stuff that happens on the earth is pretty complex but is only possible because the sun is pouring energy out of the solar system, and some of it hits us. Once that energy stops everything on earth starts to decay and the complexity goes with it
>>718824774 I see it as akin to being a human in the Matrix, who is surrounded by programs. They exist and live lives, but they'll never achieve a level of self-awareness that makes them anything other than programs. This could apply to the smartest scientist or the dullest fry-cook. They have their abilities, but cannot remove themselves from the program long enough to realize reality.
>>718827179 Its not so much the content but the way its being discussed. Its as if they think no one has ever had a single one of these thoughts before. Nothing is more funny than undeserved cockiness and that's mostly what this all is. If they keep at it long enough they'll cringe at this as much as we do too and that's fine. We all go through that stage because we have no outlet more often than not and thus no one to discuss it with.
>>718825163 Well, think of it pragmatically: Light is needed for certain phenomena to occur which will prove beneficial to the simulation. Therefor "Light" was made to expedite proceedings. Same with heat.
>>718822790 Ok, listen OP, you're not right. Furthermore you're not wrong. Your hypothesis is mere speculation and cannot be backed by observations such that your claim is an immediate consequence. You need to make a lot of assumptions for this. I will grant you that some things point into the direction you've pointed towards and as other people have already stated, this idea has come up in different shapes a couple of times throughout history, like in hinduism, and to give a modern example, the German philosopher Hegel explained this idea and put a more stable foundation to it than a neurophysiological analogy. If interested, you could look into his lectures an the philosophy of history for an easy access or if you don't mind complicated thoughts, try reading the science of logic.
For quite some time I was a friend of this idea and thought it would be true but ultimately I came to the realization that it probably isn't and if it were, that in the end, it doesn't even matter. One thing, I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard you try.
No, seriously, what you think of does not deserve to be called a theory with the explanations you gave but I'm not continuing to write to discredit you based on academic standards and morals; I'm doing so to actually discuss what's true.
Metaphysics in no way serves the purpose of discovering truths that can be known. If you argue with Kants view on metaphysics, namely that it is possible to have scientific metaphysical thoughts, then yes, that is true, but his metaphysics was essentially based on discovering the structure of your mind. However, he got into some serious trouble later on in his critique of pure reason but I won't get into that any further.
To work with what you've actually said: you speak of a higher being. What is that? What did you observe that made you think of a higher being? In what sense is it higher? In which way is it even a being? I don't even really know what you are talking about
>>718828027 It sounds like youre saying its pretentious to talk about philosophy if you dont fully understand it. more laymen should be having this conversation and less academics anyways. not to mention you could spend a life time and not learn every philosophical precept. im not the person you replied to btw.
>>718823853 >>718823497 >>718825697 >>718825697 You keep demanding evidence, but this is a theoretical forum. We fire ideas off of each other to contemplate each other's perspectives. If there was evidence, this whole symposium would be moot.
I doubt this stupid ass race will make it another 1000 years. Even if a point to life exists we failed to evolve and are currently going backwards. Getting dumber and more degenerate. This site is a perfect example of where society and life is heading. Just a bunch of broken neanderthals that can do nothing but fuck, eat, and sleep. The stupid create waves of morons while the intelligent realize the miserable future and die out.
As the air becomes less and less breathable, the ozone deteriorates and the population of starving diseased, druggy degenerates fly past 8 Billion and counting.
>>718828671 That isn't what I said. I said its something everyone goes through when first diving into this area of inquiry. Its just bothersome when they present these new ideas as "fact" when a little more digging into the subject nullifies the certainty that comes with not exploring the line of thought to its extreme where it will dissolve.
>>718828834 yet these people pass off their ideas as if they were knowledge of the truth. therefore give me evidence of these ideas. if its purely arbitrary and just an exploration if thought that's fine but that is not how they were repeatedly presented.
>>718827365 When i say the universe i mean the processes that govern this place we exist in. I understand it does not have a will. Processes take place and as a consequence complexity goes up. The universe does not have a goal it simply is but everything within it does serve some sort of purpose nothing exists in isolation or simply to exist and i would argue that applies to people as well.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
>>718814564 Hmm? Oh yes, I read that same thing almost exactly in Dr. Monroe's works. That isn't a new idea. He said we are like god's dream, our reality is a dream-simulation of the Creator so he can better know himself. You plagiarised Monroe almost word for word accidentally or not. Good try OP
>>718828663 Then you also speak of the being wanting to understand itself and the universe. Yeah, nice idea, suitable for some fictious novel. Again what makes you think that? What observations did you make that back this up?
You put forth an argument involving that you "feel" like we're part of a simulation. Explain this. A simulation of what? I mean a simulation is always an abstract image of a "real" thing. What's the real thing here? Are we not? Because I think we are "real". What we desire is the realest thing there is, it is immediate, sometimes you don't even know the desire and nevertheless you follow it and if your mind has access to understanding what you feel, it poses as an aid to fulfill your desire.
Don't get me wrong... See, I'm a theoretical physicist and am very well familiar with the idea of quantum computation for example and can think of the universe as a quantum computer with each atom carrying necessary information for a certain computation, probably even the computation of its own evolution. I mean ultimately our minds function is to (imperfectly) determine the necessary actions for a desired evolution of ones own state, and given the physics, I can easily transfer this idea onto the universe. Yeah, there's the idea, but I simply don't know, and although proving it would surely be enjoyable as an intellectual snack but that's it, in the end, it doesn't even matter. One thing, I don't know why, it doesn't even matter how hard you try...
>>718814564 I believe in a higher being with infinite understanding, so I disagree with your conclusion. The meaning of life is a test for each individual, your "freedom" to do anything you want will be your downfall.
>>718826818 No. YOU can't contemplate it. That is the difference. I have and it changed me fundamentally.
I anticipate a scoffing response, belittling this, but the reality remains the same. It is not basic stuff to me, because I am able to perceive it. It is the same thing that drives men mad, seemingly without reason.
I am trying SO hard not to seem like a Coldsteel edgelord when I write that. Believe me, I fucking HATE pretentious twaddle, but it's the only way I can articulate myself. Do with it what you will, it doesn't do me any good to try and explain myself further.
>>718827826 Ah but where does that energy come from ? Did it exist before the universe or did the big bang create it? Even empty space has a large amount of energy in it . We simply are not able to access it but plank enery is everywhere
>>718812083 The meaning of life is simply to experience. I exist because i choose to, whether through obligation to others, family, friends, strangers or to myself i allow those thoughts and feelings to exist, therefore so do i.
Every single being is either
A. A physical manifestation of their own will Or
B.. A physical manifestation of my own will
Fron ages 14 to 18 i conciously pushed myself to higher levels of thinking which one day culminated in my realization that i had reached my peak of mental/ physiological awarness. I knew the answer amd instead decided not to approach it, not to speak it. I was 18 uears old and had done nothing with my life. A hard life with very little joy is no life. I decided to step back and truly experience the reality i was presented with. I or some OTHER must have created this reality with a purpose, and it would be a shame to not experience an artists work, however obtuse or cold it may seem.
I can always bring myself to higher conciousness again through thought, meditation, and sheer force of will when i feel the time is right.
If this physical representation of my will dies before i decide to though, then it wont really matter, will it?
>>718826696 It's a theory. If I had fucking evidence, I'd be one of the most important people of the modern age. Take my concept and look into it yourself, maybe improve on my theory. But continually asking people to produce evidence on their cosmic hypothesis is inherently asinine.
In fact, OP, our level of consciousness is cutting edge new stuff compared to whole of creation out there. In our good and evil are choices and free-will is key. We are actually the most interesting beings in the multiverse. Most beings are so connected to Divine Creator there is almost nothing new out there. Be happy the life you live is a brand new type of existence and Earth has the best examples. Most beings going thru this good and evil + free will lose it and kill themselves very early on. We have survived this long because a new type of existence is emerging here on Earth, it is the Third Way and is neither good nor evil, just pure self-serving consciousness. We are truly fascinating tbh
>>718829659 I kind of agree. Purpose is a concept that, if used correctly, determines the goal of an action that fulfills a desire. To transfer this concept to unconscious matter is somewhat strange and out of place. If you'd leave out "that fulfills a desire", then yeah: the action, defined as the space-time integral over the Lagrangian density, has a "goal" that can be read off the resulting Euler-Lagrange equation for the specified particle or field or whatever... but that's not what he's talking about: by trying to find a "purpose" of all the things that are he necessarily gets into the trouble of having to assume a structurally similar mind that can have a purpose to let the atoms dance on his strings as the universal puppet master, i.e. a higher being; thus, the higher being is not a consequence but was blindly put into the equation in the unconscious preassumption hiding in the misuse of the concept of a purpose. Cheers.
>>718830038 Don't be upset, the concept to them is as alien as a cloud is to a fish in an aquarium. There are others like us, we don't have to carry the rest on our shoulders.
The irony is, they are the lucky ones, because they don't have to carry the scar of seeing what awaits us. I am fundamentally ruined by my knowledge. It turned me into an absurdist nihilist who is unable to function as a program anymore.
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