I'm a vegan because I think it's wrong to hurt animals

>>718515985
Humans are animals.

>>718515985
I like meat, and I don't like vegetables very much.

>>718516305

being a vegan doesn't mean hurting humans as a substitute for hurting animals

>>718515985

I'm not a vegan for multiple reasons.
-steak is delicious
-there has never in the history of world been an apex predator that was a herbivore and I live by that creed.
-I'd rather not take protein pills to meet my daily requirement.
-most "vegans" don't realize that a majority of the shit they use has had some sort of animal by products in it and they ignorantly turn a blind eye to it since it satisfies their own needs; for instance, shaving cream. the only difference is you aren't eating it in one situation.
-and lastly, humans are still animals, and animals have been hurting, killing and eating other animals since forever, and I'm not going to try to be above the natural order of shit.

>>718515985
u'r not gonna get anything but troll replies (and stupid replies from people who are desperately trying to justify their murderous practice), but i applaud you for trying anon.

>>718515985
NO ONE GIVES A SHIT IF YOU ARE VEGAN! GET OVER IT!

Im eating a 2 pound steak i personally carved off a bull this morning. I raised that bull, AND I FEEL GREAT EATING IT.

>>718515985
stop taking the food out of my foods mouth you filthy vegan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs_mTRjLAU

>>718515985
>Lmao plants are okay to eat rather than animals even though it's been proven they are sentient, communal, and respond to harm
You have incisors for a reason, all of life is predicated on feeding on death.

Enjoy your leafs and shit while in no way improving the lives of these animals you choose not to consume you heighty cunt.

>>718517530
yep, all the standard bullshit reasons. like i expected.

>>718518564
no no you dumbass. they aren't just sentient, they are sapient. get it right.

A cheese burger for like $2.50 or a vegan meal for like 15 bucks.

Im gonna stick with a cheeseburger.

>>718518913
This

>>718515985
You might as well eat meat, those animals are going to die and be eaten regardless you dumbass.

>>718515985
I think it isn't necessary for you to kill plants when you could be killing the things that kill them.

>>718518973
>>718518913
poor yanks who can't afford decent food spotted

http://www.foodrepublic.com/recipes/how-to-cook-a-juicy-chicken-breast/

Thank me later

>>718518728

>give good reasons
>get called bullshit

I really hope you someday accidentally eat bacon and choke on it.

I agree with veganism in every aspect. I was vegan for ~9 mo. and then got extremely depressed and just stopped caring about morals. Now I'm back to vegetarian, honestly don't really remember how many years I haven't consumed meat in. Not sure if I will ever go back to veganism, still pretty depressed.

>nourishment
>Unecessary

No...No..

>>718519121
Vegans are racist against poor people, you say?

>>718519121
I can afford decent food, id rather just not waste $15 when i can get the same or more amount of calories for $2.50

>>718518728
But that same argument can be used to denigrate your reasons for being vegan, everybody uses the bullshit reason of "muh animals" nature is nature we are apex predators so we're gonna eat like them

>>718515985
Well I can understand your motivations, but you fail to get the whole picture.
First of all, cows (as most of our animal meals) are an artificial breed which couldn't survive on their own. If we didn't eat them or drink their milk, they would go extinct. That's probably worse than killing a part of the population.
Second, cultivating vegetables also kills animals. We need to take their habitat to cultivate, and second we kill the unfortunate ones who enter the fields. Or course I'm aware that crops to feed animals also do this, but it invalidates the idea of vegetables preventing "murder". And if you go the efficiency route, you're on a slippery slope already.

>>718519463
eat a fucking hamburger, you should perk right back up.

>>718519042
>What is supply and demand?
You're wrong, but veganfag isn't helping the cause because the parading around has caused me to want to eat more meat, nullifying any 'good' they think they've done.

>>718519794
> Pretending like 2% of the population being vegan is gonna hinder any supply and demand the meat indrustry

>>718515985
I respect your reasons for becoming vegan - and will defend your right to eat whatever you choose.

Will you do the same for me, you preachy little cunt?
No, will you fuck - because your reasons for becoming vegan have nothing to do with animal welfare, and everything with being a contrarian little prick. If vegetables were found to be intelligent and animals found to enjoy being eaten, you would live off burgers and hotdogs just to be a fucking objectionable fucker.

I don't have a problem with vegans, I have a problem with people like you.
It's not about eating meat or vegetables, it's about eating shit, and you have something stuck in your teeth, asshole.

>>718516305
Actually no the legal definition of an animal in my state is.

>the word “animal” shall be held to include every living dumb creature;

so if you're dumb, you're an animal basically.

>OP
>I'm a massive vagina who got beat up in school so I don't want to hurt animals
>I'm still a massive vagina with hurt feelfeels so I'm going to give my opinions as facts to try to make myself feel better

this thread is 100% about OP trying to make herself feel she's "doing the right thing" and deserves no extra time no discussion since she'll just shoot down any other input.

>>718516510
/thread

>>718520181

>Actually no the legal definition of an animal in my state is.
>of an animal in my state is.
>animal in my state is.
>in my state is.
>my state is.
>my state

fuck you and your state.

>>718519758
>the efficiency route
You better eat only potatoes and corn, which produce the most calories per square meter, and use led lights, because traditional bulbs ARE MURDER!

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>>718515985
no youre vegan cuz ur a faggot

>>718520163

I like you.

>>718518728
>>718517530
>Eating meat is unnecessary, we can get the entirety of nutrients from plants, no protein pills required, unless you're an idiot and live off instant ramen.
>"The majority of vegans" Don't be one of them.
>"Because other things do it, it must be fine." Fucking idiot.

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>>718517862
this guy has the right idea

>>718518913
That's why you grow it and make it yourself faggot

>>718519121

Just because it's vegan doesn't make it decent food. It just makes it overpriced garbage that trendy people buy. Can't wait till the vegan shit dies out just like no MSG and gluten free.

>>718518564
At one point, we required incisors. Now we don't, and we're killing animals needlessly.

Not eating meat decreases pollution, decreases water usage, and decreases the amount of grain used by the meat industry.

>>718520654

chicken breast is one of the best things you can eat, a plant that has equal or greater nutritional value.

and also "don't be one of them" you're proving that you are with this whole thread.

>>718518913
>>718518973
Murrica.
>Muh boigas
>Go to a farmers market once, and you'll walk out with a giant bag of vegetables for $2.50

>>718520903
>At one point, we required incisors, now we don't

Yeah, because all those herbivores we see in nature have NO FUCKING INCISORS...

Biology is definitely something you should read about, you fuck-knuckle.

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>>718519042
Why mass produce plant eaters, that need to eat plants in order to get fat enough to eat? 13 to 7 kg of grain is fed to a cow to produce 1kg of beef. It's much more economical to eat the grain instead, and it saves more plant lives. #plantlivesmatter

>>718521130
>organic costs less
Tell me about that bridge you want to sell me, while you're at it.

>>718521357

did you ironically forget about the leather that cow might make or the milk through-out its life that it would bring in?

>>718521502
Funny thing with vegans - great at cherry-picking.

>>718515985
The people that give your lifestyle stability eat meat.

Vegetarian trying to go vegan here and faggots ITT have bought into all the propaganda manufactured to make having a mostly meat diet justifiable even though the things companies do to enable this wreck our bodies and our planet.
No going vegan doesn't fix everything, but it's part of the answer as well as it being the moral thing to do

>>718515985
Why aren't I a vegan?

There's a few reasons off of the top of my head.

1. I just don't care what happens to livestock. The world is an inhumane place, what happens in animals natural habitats is far worse than what happens to the creatures I eat.

2. It's cheaper to eat meat.

3. Meat tastes good, and I find it far more filling than vegetables.

4. What's it really matter, anyway?

>>718521357
Luckily, grain is also 10 times more surface efficient than fruits or other sugary vegetables, so you better eat grain only or you're killing more plants and animals anyway.

>>718515985
You know, now that you mention it, if I became a vegan, I could shitpost bait threads like this one and get a ton of (You)'s. I'm going to seriously consider this.

But then on the other hand, pork isn't a vegetable.

>>718519758
>Cows can be managed without killing them, just like many endangered species that we have kept alive.
>Cultivating vegetables kills far less animals, and invading animals can be re-located, not killed.
>80% of deforestation is due to animal agriculture. To add to this, in terms of space, the area required to produce 1kg of beef can be used to produce 160kg of potatoes.

>>718521640

>moral thing to do

teach us your ways, we must learn from you, did you cut out meat from your diet so you can live entirely on leaves and dicks? we must know!

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>>718515985

>>718521925
potatoes dont produce complete proteins

>>718521655
Your short sightedness allows for the 1% to keep control. You have responsibility for the actions that you pay companies to do. Do you have pets anon?

>>718522030
Doesn't detract from what I said faggot

>>718522097

slow down captain, you don't get to call someone short sighted and THEN ask them a question.

>>718520969
Ain't my thread. There's more vegans than you think. And no, I don't use any animal products at all. Including Insect products, and the E numbers that include animal products, bi-products etc.

>>718515985
>I'm a vegan
Strictly speaking you can't claim this when you swallow cum.

>>718521259
It doesn't matter that we still have incisors. We can use them in situations that we 'need' to. But for the time being, we can get all nutrients from plants, nuts etc.

>>718521925
Using the word "can" is so misleading. Of course it is possible, but it won't ever be done. We don't do it with any species right now. Having 100 pandas on zoos doesn't save the specie, just makes it a cruel oddity. Cows would go extinct apart from that few zoo ones.
Same with relocation. Not done anywhere ever, and "somewhere" is a place that doesn't exist. There is only that much useful space. We're already killing gorillas to have chocolate, man.
And your final point is the efficiency route, which makes eating fruit or using an old car morally the same as eating meat. You better go out of your way to conserve energy or you're killing animals too.

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>>718522271
>I don't use any animal products at all
>using the internet

>Captcha: select all signs (signs are PC and laptop repair)

>>718522097
I do infact have pets.

Before you pull the "Whats the difference between a chicken and your cat then" line, I'll also have you know i have owned both chickens and other livestock.

The simple fact is the intelligence of a chicken, and much other livestock, is so poor that they cannot hold the same value as other more refined domesticated animals.

>>718522174

you still suck dick and are actively making this world a FAR worse place with your bullshit.

so if you are a true vegan that "cares about the world", you should correct the problem and save the world and any potential animals and just eat a bullet and heads up there were no animal by products in that FMJ.

>>718522256
I can say the truth and ask a question anon. Not realizing these things I what keeps us in a cycle of shit and the 1% in a cycle of power. Controlling how and what we eat is part of that. Not caring about what happens and only being worked about the present is shortsighted

>>718515985
Because being a vegan means you're a piece of shit who doesn't actually give a shit about animals, you just want to feel better about yourself. If you actually gave a shit about animals you'd be studying animal rights so that you could actually do something to help protect animals and improve humane treatment of animals in the food industry. Instead you flock around PETA, an organization that mistreats animals despite its supposed purpose, and sit on your high horse berating any who aren't vegan. Veganism disgusts me.

>>718521502
There are alternatives to leather, and 3/4 of the population are lactose intolerant. The rate at which humans produce lactase decreases after breast feeding finishes. In asia, more than 80% of people are lactose intolerant. It's not sustainable.

>>718522648
Lol okay edgelord. Refuted nothing and made yourself look like a faggot

>>718522674
>>718522632

it's not clover, but eat that sheep.

>>718515985
yes, eating is unnecessary

>>718521412
I said farmers market. As in a vegetable market. I guess you've never been to one?

>>718522814

don't cry, it makes the dick harder sweetheart.

>>718522753
umad?

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>>718515985

>>718521853
Humans can't entirely stop killing and damaging the earth. Even with taking a step onto the grass, can kill insects, and damage plants. It's about reducing the impact. Compare throwing a grain of sand against a rock, compared to a brick.

>>718522508
Nice way to shift the goalposts... Oh, you're a vegan, of COURSE you moved the goalposts.

>>718522788
>There are alternatives to leather
Yeah, petrochemical alternatives.

Check fucking mate.

>>718522092
Soy beans then? 50% of the currently produced soy beans are consumed by the meat industry.

>>718522892
There's one in my town every Saturday.

>>718523302
Overconsumption of soy leads to allergic reactions in observed humans. Soy allergies tend to prove fatal.

>>718522602
The ol "if you're killing one, you may as well kill them all" attitude. Ignorance is bliss isn't it, little grasshopper.

>>718515985
Animals eat other animals. Humans are animals. Why shouldn't humans eat other animals?

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>>718516305
so you're saying... i should eat... humans? well, if you say so. actually, i have a delicious humanburger right here. i wasn't going to eat it or anything, but if you say i have to eat it... i guess i have to. i could totally not do it, but since you already said i should... i mean i wouldn't want to be difficult or anything.

>>718522632
I was going to say about a cow and a dog. Most mammals are emotional creatures. For example, similarly to how a dog wags it's tail when it's excited a pig will do the same. If you look into it you will see more cross-species analogs and it painted a picture to me that we are all pretty similar. We all feel anon. And i know that sounds like some gay hippy bullshit, but framing animals as these dumb creatures that just eat and shit along with a couple instincts are the efforts of the trillion dollar industries thats profit relies on us not caring about the wellbeing of these not-so-different animals

>>718520163
/thread

>>718515985
I'm a vegetarian not because I love animals, but because I hate plants, and want to kill them all.

>>718522753
so, you condone the killing of animals for food, but treating animals poorly is bad? Get off your high horse.

>>718523929
Suck a cock, you fag.

>>718523800
If pigs were Earth's dominant species, they'd eat the fuck out of you. They aren't Earth's dominant species, and they'd still eat the fuck out of you if given the opportunity.

Think about that.

>>718522960
>purposefully acting how he thinks someone on b would act

Faggot

>>718523865
Nice recycled joke you got there, 9gag.

>>718523293
Muskin.
http://www.ecouterre.com/muskin-a-vegan-leather-made-entirely-from-mushrooms/

>>718524015
That joke is a shitload older than 9gag, you tremendous fruit.

>>718523800
>framing animals as these dumb creatures that just eat and shit along with a couple instincts are the efforts of the trillion dollar industries
Really?
What tools do pigs use?
What art have pigs created?
What is the average IQ of a pig compared to say a dolphin or a monkey?

>>718522053
it's not that rare though.... to be honest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_who_died_climbing_Mount_Everest#Fatalities

there's a reason it's considered an achievement to get back alive.

>>718523686
Many still do. Uganda. Several south Pacific islanders. Some groups in the Amazon. One tribe in New Guinea. All ritual - either their own dead to honor them, or the dead of their enemies to gain their strength. Or, as in the case of Uganda, they just enjoy the taste. Oh, and China used to, up to the days of May Ze Dong; they called it "long pig." Apicius, the Roman gormand, said the pork was preferable to beef because pork tasted more like human flesh. Just saying it's part of everyone's ancestry.

>>718524106
I was just using the 9gag part as an insult tbh. I wouldn't know what jokes are and are not on 9gag as I don't go there.

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>>718515985
vegan = grass eater

>>718524080
I just searched "muskin", "buy muskin", and "one foot of leather vs one foot of muskin". Know what I found?

>>718523468
>Overconsumption
>77g per kg in body weight
>mfw i'd have to eat 5kg of soy beans.

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>>718516927
vegans, The Nazis of food

>>718517530
Other animals don't have massive slaughter houses where animals spend their whole life being abuse and mistreated only to be bred tsp that they can have more animals to murder and eat

>>718524005
It's a pig anon. It's not a thing that can think critically if what it's doing is good or not. We can

>>718524507
They would if they could. Nature is being hungry.

I'm an actual cognitive ethologist. I have sided with Descartes. Animals DO NOT feel anything. They don't feel pain. They make no cries of injustice. They don't have language. They can not abstract the physical into "their" symbolic order. Animals react, yes, but the fundamental part of actually feeling is meaningless without a complex language.

If I kick my dog, of course it will bark and appear to be hurt by my foot. That doesn't prove anything, as Descartes said. Merely physical reactions, and physical reactions only! The animal brain can be reduced to the physiological processes which create its existence in the first place! In other words, animal have no history outside of their natural history.

>>718524327
Considering that because the meat industry is already abnormally large, and that this is a prototype... Ignorance?

>>718524618
When looking on a less intelligent creature, it is easy to rule out many abilities. Some people with mental disabilities do not even react to pain stimulus. This does not mean that they can't feel it, or that they don't recognize that it is harmful. We lack the ability to judge such a thing.

>>718524618
>the father of modern western philosophy
lol

>>718524121
They don't need to use tools because their adaptations, like their strong sense of smell, make up for this. IQ is not a true measurement of intelligence anon and even if it were, the results would would always be skewed opposite of the animals favor. Especially for an animal like a pig. Americans eat them a lot and companies would not pay for a study that would make animals that we eat regularly seem intelligent because intelligence and emotions have a lot to do with each other. People would realize they were eating something that could feel the same way we do and that would inevitably impede profits of the company selling their meat

>>718519758
>a part of the population.
>32.5 million each year in the usa alone
>a part of the population.
>8.6 billion chickens
>9 billion animals each year
>in usa alone
you know, instead of just letting them all out to run rampant and die in pain, we could just not make more of them. that would stop it all within a fairly short time. it doesn't have to be so polarized,; either keep make new animals to kill forever or let them all free. both those extremes are retarded.

stop making more of them, then wane down the meat consumption as fast as we can so the profits diminish, and eventually kill off the business. this would create a food surplus like crazy which means many fields could be returned to nature, food prices would go down, and people wouldn't need to starve.

each pound of meat takes ten pounds of food to make, after all. plus unreasonable amounts of water. and it produces an insane amount of pollution.

so less suffering all around. less suffering animal victims, more food and water to people, less polluted air and water.

there's literally no good reason to not become vegan.

>>718524969
When your prototype become producible on a massive scale, let me know.

>>718524618
You might just be actually retarded, anon.

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I'm Vegan because the Yakuza is going to kill the fucking ocean by enabling Japan's sea food thirst and livestock farming is the number one destructor of our Earth's land because y'all stingy fucks wanna "save money" by promoting an artificial deflation of meat prices

>"$2.50 for a burger"
Fuck y'all that's ~$2500 for your fucking colon cancer RIP IWATA HE ATE TOO MANY BURGERS AND HIS INTENSES FUCKED UP.
Your governments are gonna ask you for more money every time you buy that burger and pay your taxes at the end of year anyways because that gotta clean up the pollution from livestock shit and give the money to Tyson and shit so the politicians can sit in office longer after sucking Tyson's meatdick.

>"I like meat but not vegetables"
Fuck y'all with that noise, your meat tastes good because fucking vegetables. Y'all niggas never eat fucking sushi or eat pussy or suck dick before apparently because ya know how boring raw meats taste? Boring as fuck. Season that bitch with some garlic, cheyanne, even ya god damn BBQ sauce is primarily vegetables. You're stupid if you "like meat" more than vegetables eat a fucking tofurkey susauge those niggas are THICK AND JUICY AS FUCK.
I'm not going to give my money to the people killing the planet. I'm gonna give my money to shit that actually tastes good.


Y'all gettin fucking played.

>>718518728
>>718520654
>>718519684
We evolved to eat some meat. Obviously americans dont need to eat the amount of eat they do. Less meat is good but veganism is not what nature intended.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/12/vegan-baby-hospitalized-removed-parents/86984376/

>>718525407
>IQ is not a true measurement of intelligence
Fucking kill yourself

>>718525416
>>718519758
worldwide statistics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter#Statistics

it's a bit more than "killing a part of the population."

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>>718515985
Stfu you self righteous cunt

>>718525551
> thinking a test of intelligence made for people is gonna work the same for all animals

Lol

>>718515985
I will eat beef because I can contribute to decreasing the amount of greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere

>>718525849
>thinking that a unit of measurement is the same as the method of taking said measurement
LOLOLOLOLOL

>>718515985
Meat is good for you it will make your brain big :)

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/04/eating-meat-led-to-smaller-stomachs-bigger-brains/

>>718525528
You're 100% right on the money about people needing to eat less meat.

I'm not gonna contest you that article you linked because every"body" is different, but not all Vegan parents aren't complete fuck ups like these.

>>718523800
While it is true some animals eaten for food exhibit signs of basic feeling and intelligence, we don't really have a way to know just how intelligent they are. We can only observe externally. We observe that some animals can show excitement, almost all can show fear, and a select few can show what appears to be affection.

We don't know what process causes these actions. Are they thinking, or is this a result of simple cognitive cause and effect? Is your dog loyal to you because it loves you, or is it loyal because you are its only source of food and shelter, and therefore harm to you would cause bad effects?

Personally i believe more intelligent, "feeling" animals simply have brains better suited to processing more complicated instances of cause and effect.

I do not believe animals can reason, although they may eventually given a vast amount of time. Until then, I won't feel bad for eating them. A cow has never said to me "I think, therefore I am."

>>718525528
>Cool, show a link that proves that a diet of chips and sauce isn't viable.
The diet is viable, as long as you're not an idiot.

>>718526145
>be a vegan
>don't be an idiot
pick one

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>>718525528
You're 100% right on the money about people needing to eat less meat.

I'm not gonna contest you that article you linked because every"body" is different, but not all Vegan parents aren't complete fuck ups like these.

To post another article and some solid facts, the only Men's USA weight lifter at Rio was Vegan.

http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/articles/why-americas-best-olympic-weightlifter-is-vegan-w434203

>>718519758
>it invalidates the idea of vegetables preventing "murder"
no it doesn't. that's like saying saving a billion people from a life of suffering is pointless if there are still one million people suffering that you didn't save.

actually, even if it was reverse; say you see a car or whatever with five people in it that is rolling towards a cliff, and when it falls off, it will kill everyone in the car. and because of some rhetorical reason you can can choose to either save one person, or none. would it be pointless to save one person because 4 others die? and would it be pointless to save all five if the car still lands on and kills some dude when it falls off the cliff?

>>718525945
>Supporting the industry that produces living methane farms
>global warming is a myth

>>718525945
that's wrong. cows produce methaane by farts and methane is worse for the atmosphere than co2

>>718525528
nice cherry picking there, buddy. unfortunately that cherry is rotten... oh... you're still eating it?... uhm... ok...

>>718525465

No you fucking retarded cunt. You fucking rat. You fucking imbecilic rodent. You want me to take you seriously? I could easily destroy you in a debate you worthless fuck ass. I will personally drag you down to hell and rip apart your organs from your pathetic body. You will not leave this battle with the last word.

Animals do NOT FEEL PAIN. Prove otherwise you stupid fuck. Animals don't posses ideas, you fucking idiot. You actually believe they have an idea of themselves, you fucking idiot? Your worthless dog doesn't give a shit, because it can't 'give' anything. No animal on the earth uses language. None! They communicate yes, but that is purely mechanical, nothing more. Language isn't just sounds or movements. You fucking idiot, do you still no understand how fucking wrong you are? Or do I need to write oceans of text to prove how fuckin stupid you are? Fucking rat, bourgeois scum. Go fuck yourself.

>>718526365
>global warming
Behind the times, man. It's "climate change" now. That way they can claim victory no matter which way it goes.

>>718526514
>You fucking rat. You fucking imbecilic rodent.
You sound like a child.

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>>718525945
Is your logic here "if I kill cows, I make sure there's less methane?"
Because if you give money to the meat corporations, you basically add to the shit pile and more methane gets pumped into the air.

Or is your logic here "I have an electric car so I'm entitled to do what I want"
If so, fucking exclusively source your car's power from renewables or else you're a hypocrite and I call BULLSHIT.

The problem here is LITERAL BULLSHIT. And Pig Shit. And your stupid Senator-CEO Cuckold over the government shit.

>>718525407
Listen, you retarded vegan fuck. No fucking animal has ever created anything using its mind. Do you understand how complex the issue gets after recognizing this FACT? It is because animals have no actual existence. In other words, animals are at harmony with nature and only change by natural phenomenon. They don't produce anything out of will. Animals can't and don't feel anything because of their lack of language and will.

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>>718526213
I pick be vegan :)

>>718524618
>serial killer
so you're basically saying children do not feel anything. i don't think you know the first thing about science or biology... or philosophy for that matter.

>>718526775
You fell for it. Don't have my bait folder ATM, but you fucking fell for it

Good job.

>>718526499
>>718526272
>>718526145
http://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html

We are what we are because we ate meat. You will get more energy with less food by eating meat.

>>718526577
Ok? I don't give a fuck about your dumbass opinion. Of course, the unintelligent ignorant moron would refer to my use of words rather than combating the issue at hand.

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>>718526514
>Animals do NOT FEEL PAIN. Prove otherwise you stupid fuck.
>makes claim
>demands people to prove him wrong or else it means he's right

>>718526775
>you basically add to the shit pile
Which adds to the fertilizer that you use to grow your organic vegetables, since you fags won't use more efficient chemical fertilizers.

>>718526935
>unintelligent ignorant moron
Do you usually string together three words that mean the same thing?
Because that might be why you sound like such a child.

>>718526055
>being this dumb

there is no concrete way to measure animal intelligence

>>718526843
And let the assumptions begin. Because i proclaim that animals don't feel anything, doesn't make me an animal abuser, you fucking child. Ethical reasons are not an issue, you fucking child. Grow up, you fucking child. Little babies don't feel pain either, yet atleast, if we are talking newborns. Anyways, you fucking dolt, pain IS NOT MERELY PHYSICAL. Get the fuck out of here you ignorant cunt.

>>718527156
And without commas btw

>>718527158
Did I say there was, shit bag?

>>718526514
Punch yourself in the face, did it hurt? You are an animal.

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Real men help and protect nature.

People who harm nature and the environment are not men at all. They're earthly parasites slithering upon the ground.

Truth be told. Amen.

>>718527156
Continue proving my point, you fucking retard. I'm done with you. Go back to jacking off to hentai you virgin loser. You fucking fatass.

>>718526514
Animals recognize words, and commands. Pigs have been trained like dogs. Horses too.

In terms of pain, yes they do feel pain. Would an animal not recoil if struck? if it was unaware, and could not see it? yes. They have nerve endings that trigger, travel up the spinal cord, and reach the brain. They have central nervous systems similar to humans, because most animals have the same senses as we do.

>>718526514
>stumbles upon some animal gore .gifs in a YLYL thread thrown in by shitposters
>dog is hit with shovel
>visibly in pain


2/10 you made me reply

>>718527176
>Little babies don't feel pain either
You're factually wrong.
Did you vote for Trump? Because you sound just like him.

>>718527273
Ah, I see. Mother Nature loves you back? What a superstitious fuckingg claim. Anyways, as Zizek says, "ecology is the new opium of the masses."

>>718527283
>Continue proving my point
What point?
Your point wasn't that you speak like a child and that's what I was proving.

>>718527377
Stop taking my posts out of context, you fucking child. Read the paragraph again.

Being killers is what got us to where we are today, The day they ban hunting or even buying meat is the day I sneak out and take peoples homes while they work/sleep and take their pets to kill and eat.

>>718520163
>everything with being a contrarian little prick
Not saying there aren't people like that, but assuming OP is one of them is pretty fucking stupid.
Do you speak out against shit you think is wrong just because you are a contrarian prick?

>>718527453
Its not out of context, you said that exactly.
"Yet" does not change the context, you massive idiot.

>>718526927
but you use ten times as much food to produce meat, a retarded amount of water, enormous fields, and the production spews all kinds of pollution into nature, our water, and our air.

so even if it helps you survive when you're living like a caveman, it doesn't warrant to pollute and kill ourselves (and most other larger lifeforms) off now today in our modern world.

seriously, why would you want to destroy everything just because humans have survived by eating *some* meat when they lived with nearly no technology? seriously, humans have mostly lived off of very small amounts of meat. nearer 2% of their total diet. how does that warrant eating 90% meat and fucking up everything and everyone?

because i like to eat meat and i need protein you can eat how you like but dont harass me please

>>718526790
>Birds create nests.
>Ant mounds
>rabbit holes
How can they dig, remember geography, etc without a mind? They interpret sounds, smells, sight, etc, and use it in a thinking process.

Kill all Vegans!

>>718527501
This.

What the fuck are they gonna do? Kill me? They can't even kill a cow.

>>718526126
it's not so much to feel bad because we eat them, but feel bad for what haooens before they are killed. The whole factory meat thing is so streamlined for profit that it doesnt take into consideration the treatment of the animals. not to mention what they feed them for them to grow in an "ideal" timeframe. it's just shit all around anon. that meat isnt good food.

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>Why aren't you a vegan?

Frankly, because I'm too lazy to change and am willing to ignore my moral objections.

>>718527322
The pop science dick riders have arrived? What a shame. Again, animals don't have language. They have memory, that is the reason they can react to names. Animals will never, at this current "stage" in life, be able to form symbolic language, which is required for thought!

As I said in the first post, pain isn't reducible to the physiological processes within the mind. Pain is not some actual object you eat, you understand? It doesn't matter if a dog has a nervous system, it is all physical.

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>>718525470
Y'all are ignoring me and that pisses me off more than y'all's idiocy arguing over fucking animal nuerology and shit. I'm going to sleep. That's another reason why y'all niggas unhealthy is because you don't fucking sleep right.

>>718519573
That would be classist you newb

>>718527344
Not in pain you retarded dolt. It's merely a physical response. The only feeling animals have, are the ones humans assign them.

>>718519626
>Meal costs $2.50
You live on Purina Nigger Chow. You're financially unable to have a valid opinion. Sorry, Tyrone.

>>718526126
I wouldnt even give a fuck if the cow did say that, I would still stove in its brain and its its juicy innards.

>>718527681
i bet you are the kind of person who will treat androids as if they are just another human as well

>>718515985
>I'm not a vegan because I think it's wrong to hurt plants for unnecessary reasons. Why aren't you a non-vegan?

>And yes, the reasons are unnecessary, otherwise I wouldn't be alive.

Fixed it for you.

Because a deer, boar, bird, bear, elk, etc dying by a bullet is much more preferable than by nature. Teddy Roosevelt even said, "Death by violence, death by cold, death by starvation, - these are the normal endings of the stately and beautiful creatures of the wilderness." It helps keeps the ecosystem in check from the herbivores from eating all the flora. Not to mention the shit is DELICIOUS, and the BEST way for your body to get protein.

>>718527553
>seriously, why would you want to destroy everything

Eating meat doesnt mean destroying everything. Convince people to eat less meat because it is better for the environment and their health is a much better and more reasonable route.

>>718527641
Instinct or advanced ecological responses. Basically, adaptations. As I said earlier, the animal doesn't build a its home ( a nest) out of pure will to build a home, rather it does it out of a machine like response. Animals are "aware" and recognize natural stimulation a, but that doesn't mean they think.

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>>718527681
It takes on average 1,500 reincarnations before one is ready to migrate to the next dimension. Denial and resistance to learn is primarily the reason for so many lifetimes.

We can see who are the holdouts and the young newbies. They're truly obstinate.

>>718526084
Not in your lifetime buddy. Go on, eat as much meat as you can and see if you get smarter before you get heart disease.

>>718515985
I am more in touch with nature than you, I live my place in the food chain and follow the natural order of things. Also this is what a .243 does to the brain of my dinner.

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>>718528645
wicked forgot the pic

>>718527741
Cool, repeat your points again, that'll make them true this time!
>Memory doesn't involve thought
>just because because the receptor of pain is there, doesn't mean it can feel pain
>language is required for thought

You're digging yourself a hole.

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>>718524618
You are a heartless faggot

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Tbh, I dont mind eating meat once in a while, but I have stopped going to fast food restaurants, such as FatDonalds, FatBurgers, Fat N Out, etc etc, first because the unethical manner they treat the animals in the fast food business, 2ndly because the conditions they live in are inhumane an the meat is used regardless barely passing FDA standards... if their standards even matter... I love steak, the smell , the BBQ, it tastes great and all I cannot deny this, but like I said I have most definitely reduced the amount I consumed and the results have been great, it's funny how something as simple as watching what I eat can make a big difference, don't get me wrong it's a complete discipline and it wasn't easy and like I said I occasionally eat meat, and I haven't felt healthier since I improved the shit I eat, it's a simple way to improve yourself, try it sometime, and stop eating like a nigger, cheers.

>>718528430
Killing your neighbor is the BEST way to get a new house. It doesn't matter that he feels pain.

>>718527670
The problem is, how do we determine whats morally acceptable when we do not know if the other party has the capability of doing more than simply reacting to outside stimuli. The wolf hunts because it is hungry, the deer flees because its base instinct and purpose is survival.

Everything is driven by survival. It's what we do besides surviving that indicates intelligence.

The rabbit hole of determining consciousness is far too deep for me at this hour. My thoughts may not be coming across very well at this point, but I'll try to stay with it as long as i can.

>>718515985
Everyone seems to claim they don't care, yet cant resist needing to justify their actions. Anyone who does any decent amount of reading/listening/study on the subject knows its objectively the right choice.
>Even if i didn't give a shit about animals I would still be vegan.
I'm gonna outlive all you fat, acne ridden motherfuckers. I know because i used to be a fat acne ridden motherfucker before i became un-retarted.

>I actually went vegan partly because of some anon that used to spam these threads ages ago.
Embrace the light my dudes.

>>718528811
>muh feelins

>>718529151
Hey man shouldn't hurt your feelings you can really get ahead in the US

>>718528954
You agree with my animal "pain" posts, right? You seem to be close to my thoughts on the matter of veganism.

>>718528431
sort of does does destroy everything. it's the largest contributor to climate change which has already killed off half of all sea life compared to 1970, and a huge amount of land animals as well. cutting meat consumption is more important than cutting out gasoline (though it's better to do both).

and the places they take all the water from are usually destroyed, to create fields you destroy huge patches of forrest usually, and with it exterminating literally thousands of species. then there's the sewage that poisons huge areas of soil and water, killing off even more. also humans living nearby suffer greatly from various health issues.

sure the planet will survive all this and life in general with it, but why make it dull and nearly lifeless when it would've been awesomely amazing? in like 200 years no one will have seen anything like a tiger or elephant if we don't change this shit.

>>718524618
Why don't you prove us wrong and live stream yourself killing and eating your dog because his life means nothing.

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>>718527273
I bet you'd sound great being eaten by a lion.

>>718529466
what r u doing to change this shit, dubs

>>718528964
>un-retarted

Oh the irony.
Is this what a protein deficiency does to your brain?

>>718529542
Why would I do that? That's irrational. I like my dog because resembles people.

>>718520903
Friendly reminder that lots of pollution is caused by cows.

>>718515985
I'm a fatass that can't stop eating meat, despite going full vegan would really help me lose weight.

I would lie if I said I didn't consider going vegan.

>>718529542
Why dont you stream smashing your tv and other possessions up because they aren't alive. tard why the fuck would someone destroy a perfectly useful doge unless it was old or le cripple.

>>718528954
If you were born unable to speak you are still just as capable of human emotion and intelligence. for three years I was in the same boat as you, except i just didn't eat farmed meat and only ate hunted game meat because i didn't like farming practices but didnt really think we had a reason not to kill them. Then i thought about eating my dog. Then i saw videos of people who had pet pigs who were basically dogs. Same with goats, cows etc. have you seen a baby cow being taken from its mother at birth to be killed? Would i do that same thing to my own dog? This is the question i asked myself which turned me vegan. It's not about defining consciousness, its about removing the divide between animals you consider your family and truly love and those that are unfortunate enough to be born otherwise.

>>718529753
Do it faggot. I lost 15kg with zero excercise in under 4 months. My brother who is a gym junkie went vegan to loose all his mass and had the same losses just as fast with zero muscle mass loss.

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>>718528208
You are probably correct about that anon.

>>718528616
Is that so? Who makes these rules anyway? Aren't morals subjective?

>>718528687
vegan here. Looks good man.
Im 100% for hunting over factory farming. Removes about 95% of their suffering. I wish more people hunted.

>>718529688
Except its a real word you fucking moron.
Is this the best you got? Ignoring everything said except for grammar?

>>718529899
You have never been really hungry. Never fucking ever. I'd bet against Vegas odds on that.

If you were really hungry, you sure as hell would eat your dog. You might cry during the whole thing, but you'd do it.

>>718529674
it might be humble, but i don't eat meat, i don't drive a gasoline car, i travel collectively, i recycle everything i can although it's a huge pain in the ass, i make my house environmentally friendly, i vote for people who give a fuck about environment, and luckily my country are one of the greenest countries in the world, i don't intend to have any babies, i even ask people to not fuck shit up. that's what i can think of from the top of my head.

i do everything i can with the nothing i have. if you have any more suggestions i'll happily add them to my efforts.

>>718515985
I'm a vegetarian, but I don't press my lifestyle on other people, Do I get a badge?

I don't even know what point I'm trying to prove.

>>718515985
Meat is delicious, killing is fun

>>718530251
Are you giving the ol'
>your on a desert island and you have to eat meat to survive
argument?
I cant tell because that post was structured so badly. I must have gone vegan to avoid cancers for no reason Because your post sure gave it to me.

Why am I not vegan?

Because FUCK does a steak taste good. I'm just a selfish asshole, huh? Yum.

Do you or have you ever used glue? Made from horses, dick. Lipstick? Beetles.
There's a loooong list, but it'd just be tossed aside as "propaganda."

You know why we originally had appendixes? To filter out toxins from herbs in our infantile days of humanity and civilisation. We don't need any part of our body for processing meats. Animals are gonna fuckin die, that's life. It sucks and then we die. Those animals don't understand maths, they can't tell me the difference between a street and an avenue. They're dumb. Literally by definition dumb.

Reasons like these are why not everyone is going to change their opinions to join your cult.

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>>718530251
>If you were REALLY hungry, you would eat your dog.

Is that seriously your reply?

>>718530440
>that post was structured so badly
>said the guy who can't into punctuation

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>>718515985

>>718530052
yes, morals or ethics are not a set in stone universal rule. They are set by each individual wherever they please. this is why it is so funny to see faggots throwing the words around when they dont like something.

>>718526126
Thats an invalid reason. Meat is meat, the only thing that stops me from eating people is the fact that it is illegal to eat someone, not to mention harvesting the meat would be a big issue

>>718530262
So basically you do nothing.

Especially if you're not having children.

>>718530515
Yes. Vegans should be required by law to survive a year homeless.

>>718530408
killing you will be fun, while you're sitting their in your comfy little seat, all cozy and safe unaware that somebody is watching you as you type on shitty monitor.

>>718525470
Protein

>>718530517
>grammar is more important than having a logical and well thought out argument.
Noone actually gives a shit about grammar, anon. Especially not on here.
And look, i spelled 'no one' wrong and I'm going to leave it there so i guess my argument is invalid.

I eat it because I'm hungry and I like the way it tastes, and I don't really give enough of a shit to bother going vegan because its harder.

Veganism is a moral view. I don't give a shit about what it stands for, so I'm not one.

>>718530657
>Noone actually gives a shit about grammar, anon
People who cared about their schooling do. Which explains why a vegan doesn't, I suppose.

>>718525551
I think you should be the one killing yourself.

IQ indicates a lot of things but it's hardly the full scope. Not even close.

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>>718530593
dumbest reply in this thread. I ain't even vegan.

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>>718530579
i don't see why you're trying to pick a fight. except this being 4chan, that is.

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>>718530595
Try it bitch

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>>718530876
Why not?

You're here, in this thread. Being a faggot.

So;

ur a faget.

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>>718530882
>>718530929

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>>718530593
or meat eaters should be required to survive a year as a slaughter animal.
>yfw

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>>718530595
So u prove his fact that killing iz fun ?

Damn u must be famous at the Tard HQ

>>718531016
This isn't normal cancer.
This is STAGE 11 CANCER.

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>>718530593
that's so retarded it destroyed my sense of self

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>>718531148
>>718531077
>>718531016
>>718530929
>>718530882

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snnnnniiiiiiffffffffffff...oh yes my dear....sssnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff....quite pungent indeed...is that....dare I say....sssssssnniff...eggs I smell?......sniff sniff....hmmm...yes...quite so my darling....sniff...quite pungent eggs yes very much so .....ssssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiffffff....ah yes...and also....a hint of....sniff....cheese.....quite wet my dear....sniff...but of yes...this will do nicely....sniff.....please my dear....another if you please....nice a big now....

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Oh yes...very good!....very sloppy and wet my dear....hmmmmm...is that a drop of nugget I see on the rim?...hmmmm.....let me.....let me just have a little taste before the sniff my darling.......hmmmmm....hmm..yes....that is a delicate bit of chocolate my dear....ah yes....let me guess...curry for dinner?....oh quite right I am....aren't I?....ok....time for sniff.....sssssnnnnnnniiiiiiiiffffffff.....hmmm...hhhmmmmm I see...yes....yes indeed as well curry......hmmm....that fragrance is quite noticeable....yes.....onion and garlic chutney I take it my dear?.....hmmmmm....yes quite.....

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Oh I was not expecting that…that little gust my dear….you caught me off guard…yes…so gentle it was though…hmmmm…let me taste this little one…just one small sniff…..sniff…ah….ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffffff…and yet…so strong…yes…the odor….sniff sniff…hmmm….is that….sniff….hmmm….I can almost taste it my dear…..yes….just…sniff….a little whiff more if you please…..ssssssnnnnnniiiiiffffffffff…ah yes I have it now….yes quite….hhhhmmmm…delectable my dear…..quite exquisite yes…..I dar

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>>718530756
Than by your logic you must be vegan yourself, because that is the dumbest bait I ever read, anon.

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>>718515985
Stop existing, you dumbshit.

>>718531075
Slaughter animals tend to survive for at least that long, and find me the person who would turn down a year's worth of free room and board.

>>718515985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxs_mTRjLAU

>>718531250
*then

Vegans are always people who have never had to survive. Every one. Bar none. They're all first-world, spoiled little faggots.

>>718529459
I'm more taking a stance of "We cant truly know, but it makes more sense to assume animals do not possess consciousness."

I think they can feel pain, although not in our interpretation of it. A creature with an injured limb will limp. It must feel to process the fact that something has gone wrong in the limb. But what drives the reaction? Does the creature realize it is hurt, or is it simply a neurological process to protect the limb? Is the creature aware? Is awareness a binary system, where you either are or aren't, or are there levels of awareness? And if there are levels of awareness, are some species more aware than others?

We can only assume. Based on what i have observed so far, I have made the assumption that animals aren't aware. They seem to be driven by cause and effect, and nothing more.

>>718529899
I see your point about speaking. If i only cannot speak, but the rest of my brain is intact, I will still be conscious, and i will still reason and be aware. However if i cannot think in a language, my ability to reason may cease to exist. We cannot know. That's why this is hard to take a definitive stance on. So much of it is speculation and open to interpretation, a concrete answer is impossible.

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>>718531285
sure. that's not the point. would you be willing to trade then? would you be willing to live like this for a year? in your own shit and piss which is mostly just drained away. any infection goes untreated.

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>>718515985
If you were a REAL VEGAN you would eat the animal meat.
1.It is already dead
2. not eating it means it went to waste
3.you disgracing its death by not cosuming its soul

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>>718531285
how about like this?

>>718531578
>any infection goes untreated
Ha. Because American consumers don't file massive class-action lawsuits for infected meat. Right.

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>>718515985
needing to eat is not an unnecessary reason. a lot of other species do it, we have every right to do it. kys, it tastes good, and i bet you do too

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>>718531779
huge amounts of antibiotics in the pig food. a lot of slaughter animals go with open sores, and the ones that get too bad are killed and thrown away.

>>718531827
thats why women drink jizz

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>>718531779
>your dream vacation
why are you so desperate to pretend they have a decent life?

>>718532026
>the ones that get too bad are killed and thrown away
As they should. That's called "Quality Control".

I've worked in the plants you demonize. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, but I'm sure Michael Moore could use another handjob.

>>718531407
Animals have nociception, like almost all animals including us. It is absolutely certain that animals feel pain. Things like insects, some fish and a few other creatues which do not contain these nociceptors with their nervous system and hence these are the only creatures who we can claim do not feel pain the same as we do.

In all seriousness, would you place the physical feelings of a mentally handicapped human to be only reactions? How about if you went back 10,00 years and inflicted pain on human ancestors. Do they still feel pain as we do? Continue going back until we are apes. Apes still have a spine, nervous system and nociceptors. They feel pain just as we do. If anything, we feel less pain than they do as we are smart and have coping mechanisms in order to know what pains are to be of concern and what are not.

>>718532218
So we should kill all humans who get infections for the sake of the species. Sounds solid.

>>718532450
It'd cost more for plants to treat animals. It's not their job to treat animals. We treat humans because we care about each other.

If you saw a dying pig and a dying human on the same road, but know you can only save one, which would you choose? If you pick the animal, you're either lying to us and yourself, or a sociopath.

>>718532450
Humans are brothers. Pigs are food.

>>718515985
I'd fucking cannibalize you for sure

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>>718532218
would you trade places with any of the animals?

it's not demonization what i say when people like you call it "quality control". a lot of murder and abuse could be called "quality control".

>>718526775
so eat the fucking cows faster

>>718531404
Since when have carnist amreifats had to survive? They consume more meat, producing more pollution than anyone. It should be illegal to be obese. Illegal to break diet, and be over ### kilograms

>>718532729
>implying you're not a racist fuckhead

>>718515985
Unnecerssary reasons you say what about the reason of sustination of your food its crual yes but not unnecersarry.

>>718532843
You're looking for the word specist you fucking bimbo.

>>718529899
thanks for fighting ignorance while i was gone anon

>>718515985
I'm vegan so there are more living animals for me to fuck

>>718532282
I did say I think they feel pain. What we don't know is how their brains interpret it. I guess the simplest way to put it is, "Is there anything resembling a person in there". All animals have nervous systems, Humans included obviously. We both also have muscle. The systems are very similar. The problem lies within consciousness. If I kill something that has never had consciousness, never been aware of the mind itself, have I done worse than destroy a computer?

Bringing mentally handicapped humans into the discussion will only open up another rabbit hole, and i would greatly enjoy keeping the number of bottomless tunnels to 1. Primarily due to different brain structure, one we know is capable of consciousness and awareness of itself.

>>718532840
In that case, let's cut all disabled people.
Elderly.
Special needs.
Crippled.

Totally doesn't sound like a nazi-esque move.

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>>718515985
>Why aren't you a vegan?

>>718532840
>produce more pollution than anyone
>china silently laughs in the corner

>>718524507
they dont have slaughterhouses, so we have 1 concentrated spot to do it, meanwhile animals kill each other behing every corner like niggers, at the end they all eat the same.

>>718532843
I don't give a shit whether someone is a nigger, spic, cracker, wop, chink, or otherwise. They all eat pork.

>>718528954
>The problem is, how do we determine whats morally acceptable when we do not know if the other party has the capability of doing more than simply reacting to outside stimuli.


come on lol. It's like you've never been around an animal

>Everything is driven by survival. It's what we do besides surviving that indicates intelligence.


it's like you're assuming animals just look for food or sleep

>My thoughts may not be coming across very well at this point

way to excuse shit peusdophilosophical logic

>>718533847
>it's like you're assuming animals just look for food or sleep
That really is all they do.

>>718533127
you seem pretty young anon

What if you wouldn't have a choice - either you eat all the food available, or you die of starvation. And if you decide to eat them, why do you think you are worth more than an animal you eat?

>>718533127
Survival is the absolute, undisputed, number 1 objective of animals. Pain is a huge part of this. As is pleasure, animals like to FUCK and NUT in each other. Animals enjoy fucking and cumming. Im sure there are particular odd animals that don't, but would you say that these animals don't feel good when fucking?
Not speaking to you in a 'fuck you' manner, but assuming that humans are 'the standard' for pain and intelligence is arrogance. Would an alien race think the same of us as animals if they are more intelligent and feel more pain than we do?

>>718534142
Many people do it too

>>718533127
You are assuming consciousness is an 'end goal' as though everything before our current state wasn't consciousness. Assuming you are either conscious or not is just plain wrong. There are varying levels of intelligence, pain, and what we CALL consciousness. If you try to define consciousness before going vegan, you will stay omni forever.
In a million years, if humans survive, will we assume that a million years ago we weren't conscious? Of course not. How about out ancestors a million years ago? Of course not. Its all subjective and you cannot use our current state as a guideline for 'being conscious'.

>>718515985
You must be some nonproductive book worm of societywho has never been working with anything heavier than a few pieces of paper and a pen.
If you did some physical work you'd see you cant live off your grass.you run out of energy mid day.But you wouldn't know that would you?Stop reading articles written by imbecils like you enclosed in your bubble of jerkcycle and get the fuck out and try work on a farm or somewhere demanding.

At the end it doesent even matter if animal gets killed for food as long as there was propper care taken of it while living and killing was done fast modern way, not some halal shit where they must slice throat and let it bleed out (ironic, seems to me that vegan shits usually support mudslimes too)

yes you are alive, but far less capable of a person with balanced diet.Start doing something more demandingt and you'll soon look like a concentration camp worker.

>>718534467
I don't have a problem with eating people, either. Just avoid the brain. Fuckin' prions, man.

>>718515985
Fruit and Veg tastes like ass. Life is not sacred. Human mental capacity increased dramatically when they started eating meat so it's obviously good for you. We are better at digesting meat than plants. Vegans are all faggots. If cattle could eat us they fucking would. Morality is a human construct (An inconsistent one at that). But you can eat whatever you want and for whatever reasons you want OP. Being able to eat eat almost anything is an amazingly useful evolutionary trait. You wouldn't want us to lose that would you?