READ!!! The marines have flamethrowers and fuel to last 900

ants

the stick

>>718293439
why tho?

>>718293441
stick win everytime, so the stick isnt in this battle.

The ants would swarm the marines and then the marines would have to shoot each other or be eaten alive by ants

>>718293645
cuz ants are cool

>>718293748
He's got a point.

Advantage: ants

>>718293196
Everyime you cut an aunt in have it becums 2 hants.

>>718293196
that is a fuck-load of ants. the marines would have no chance, the very fact that they need to sleep means that the ants would win.

>>718293196
depends if the ants are Bullet ants.

>>718293196

ANTS

They'd be left out of ammo even before even the millionth part of those ants were killed

BUT

If soldiers are shielded in an impermeable tank then .... you guest it!
ants would die of starvation

>>718294068
Ants don't sleep?

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what about this? combat area: atlantic ocean.

>>718294109
Aunts duble a t a rait of 2 aunts per day.
So then, each aunt can eat and aunt per day.

>>718293196
i feel like that number of ants would cause them to coalesce into their own ultra-super-massive black hole

>>718294174
CHrocodiles can repregneant themselves and live within there one bodhy.

>>718294109
Let us all laugh at the idiot who didnt read the rules and still posted.
HAHAHA!

Are each marine equipped with the same gear/weapons? What if they had ant guns?

>>718293196
>>718293196
I'm gonna have to say that the aunts have this one in the bag.

First off, marines are known to be heavily trained in hand to hand combat.

Aunts don't have hands.

Case in point, they have claws. Thereforce, the aunts may be advantageous against the beasts.

>>718293196
-1000 °C sun gets deorbited by lava sun and freezes the battlefield

>>718294171
the marines are outnumbered
>(stack overflow)
to1, a marine needing to sleep is a much bigger disadvantage than an ant needing to sleep.

>>718293196
Ants can live up to 100 years in optimal conditions and with the right mindset.

Marines can live up to 2 years.

>>718294455
i don't know where u live but where i'm from our aunts has hands.

>>718294548
Ants don't sleep. They have no eyes.

>>718294206
Where the fuck is the humor in typing like this?

>>718294548
This. The marines are, immeasurably outnumbered. The ants could actually kill marines and themselves, just by their sheer collective weight.

>>718294615
litrally cant tipe. Litrally stoopid. drop outed of scool yong.

>>718294615
so I apolijize. u dont fine my disabilidy funy.

>>718294615
Somewhere there is a 13yo laughing his fat little retarded ass off at this b

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If the ants were anything like my aunts.. then the sheer jaw power alone would wear down the marines sanity and they would kill themselves.. like my uncle's. Just sayin..

spicy boys

>>718293196
Ants, of course. Graham's number is way bigger than a googolplex.

>>718294764
ass i sad, i dropd out of scool vry yong, and dont no engrish vry good.

The googolplex of marines take 8 hours sleeping schedules by thirds. 1/3 of the googolplex sleeps for 8 hours, while 2/3 of the googolplex stays awake for 16 hours. Not considering some of the ants doing the same thing where they need to sleep every once in a while, the marines would still win, over a period of 900 octillion years.

Theres not enough space in the universe for a grahams number of ants

>>718294865
I've been on here for a long time. You are the most pathetic unfunny motherfucker I've come across. Slice up your arm and not across. Do the world a favor.

>>718293196
who is graham?

>>718295024
>>718295024
...?

sign. I new I shdnot half poastd. Litroally faled gr1, cant hoald a job 2 saiv my lif. I dont car wut u think....hoanestly.

My curiosity is in the fact that hims makin wurdz on here that have not a fucking thing to do with the question. Who cares if your retarded.. that's what the garbage bag and duct tape are for...

>>718294467
Because space lions

>>718295024
u r violating rule number x: don't feed the troll.

>>718295024
Honestly, what the fuck is your problem? Just because a guy can't fucking type you have to be a fucking asshole? Focus on the fucking ant debate or fuck yourself.

>>718295120
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number

>>718295334
thx.

The question.. What is his answer? Is he answering? Or just saying hello?

>>718294615
>>718294764
is badd i no but i chri pleez doat juj

-_-

>>718295481
Don't worry man, you aren't being judged. Feel free to type however you want! :)

>>718295481
You know man, this community can be harsh, but we are all fun loving americans, just don't worry about it.. Be yourself.

we need to get a scientist in here. I have never seen such a massive concentration of cancer in a single location before. there must be some scientific value in studying this.

>>718295647
I am a Professor in physics at Camrbidge University, United Kingdom. What seems to be the problem?

>>718295602
fuck you nigger. you maybe american retard fat faggot but not me.

>>718295755
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>718295334
i'm fucking myself now. happy?

>>718295812
Faster. Harder. Deeper.

>>718295714
the cancer cells in this thread are replicating at a rate never seen before. Doctor, how is this even possible?

>>718294780
Ba dum tss

>>718295890
Please, forgive me. My typing machine I must use due to my ALS is very slow. I hope you will find this message in good time.

>>718294307

Yeah bahahaha whatever dickhead
anyway it's just an assumption and not a real fact so yeah ....

One marine kills ants. The rest of the marines play cards. Marines win 0 casualties 10 min tops.

>>718295714
I am a professor of kingoms at Cambridge Massachusetts, Univeristy is physical problem. What do you see?

>>718295890
Now. Onto your question.

Yes.

Roughly 3/5 threads on reddit are "cancer". Giving the probability rate about a 60% chance of occurrence.

Question is: were the Marines prepared, gear-wise (besides flamethrowers)? Padding or casts under BDUs?

>>718296108
The marines are all sporting flacid penises which the ants have quickly taken advantage of. The ants are flying up their penis shafts like no tomorrow.

Marines take all the glass. scopes, binoculars, spectacles etc.

use the flamethrower fuel to melt down and create a giant magnifying glass.

Marines win.

>>718296267
By that time, the ants have burrowed into every crevice in the soldiers skin uniform, ass crack and nose. So how about you think with your fucking head before you use your fucking mouth MARINE.

"skinny bitch with no shoulder" - Kanye on auntie

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Only the outer ring of Marines needs to fight at any given time, allowing them to stretch their flamethrower fuel well beyond 900 octillion years.

I imagine they would take turns on the battlefront. But here's the thing: With a googolplex of Marines, it would take centuries for the Marines at the core of the group to travel to the outer ring.

It's fascinating to think of the sort of civilization, culture, myths, social structures, etc. which would develop under these conditions. The eternal cycle of journeying out to the battlefront and then back to the core. The possibility of those in the core completely forgetting about or no longer believing that the ants even exist.

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>>718293196
Are they Bullet Ants?

>>718297377
irrelevant, they could be dust mites and still have no problem winning.

>>718297377
i have done this rite of passage before when i went to south America they put the glove on both hands and feet and a smaller one on the penis

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>>718295998

>>718293196
The ants would evolve into sentient beings and would present a treaty of peace between the marines and ant race.

>>718297833
the battle would still only end when one side is 100% dead, so not only is that irrelevant, its a cheap way to try to work around the battle, its supposed to be a battle, a fight to the death.

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>>718296173

>>718297928
Im a fool to of thought of this.

>>718293196
ants

>>718296966
That is really trippy . Fuckk. Like im honestly mind blown by this

just for some perspective here so the autism doesn't get out of control, the number of digits, just the digits alone, is more than the atoms in the universe. there is no way marines ever win. ever.

>>718296966
This is amazing

>>718293196
They all die under gravitational collapse because

>>718294097
underappreciated

I feel as if the odor of burnt ants would start to depress the moral of the marines in a endless fight for survival, since the ants arnt really conscious for all we know theyd stay on offense and keep attacking while the marines either give up or comit mass suicide due to rumors of suicide being the nirvana and answer to all questions in a belief based on marinism.

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>>718296966
That's a great line of thought.
The marines can't die of natural causes.

Whether they believe in the ants or not, no matter what happens, they are there for eons until one side is gone.

Humans weren't designed to live that long. After standing in one place and sweeping a flame thrower back and forth for a few decades, most people would become unhinged. What happens when you multiply those decades by a hundred million?

After a period of time by which the sun should've gone out and the Earth turned cold, the same guy could still be standing there burning ants.

How many personality shifts can you go through during that time? Would you settle into one eventually, and never change again? Would your brain's limited capacity for information mean forgetting everything you ever knew, flooded only with memories of burning ants?

What would these men have to say?

The field is infinite size, so the ants will NEVER reach them.

>>718293196
>implying rules make sense

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>>718298646

>>718293196
if there are 15 soldiers,2 can circle with flamethrowers during night while others sleep
so in the end the soldiers wins

>>718293196
after Vietnam, korea, Afghanistan and Syria I think it would be difficult to defeat anyone let alone ants.

Ants also burrow so they can dig under the marines. either sneak attack or just remove the entire ground to the point of collapse.

In any case ants will win.

That many people, that much time.

The last ant would die from technology we would never understand.

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>>718298933

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>>718294455
>First off, marines are known to be heavily trained in hand to hand combat.

>Aunts don't have hands.

10/10

>>718298646
This in a way leads to an endless war with only theoretical solutions. I understand its all theoretical but even then there is no solution to it. Yet there has to be one surviving race. But how could that be if the plane is infinite? Theyd never be reached. Unless theyr on a point from which the plane has already expanded from. Meaning what... Where am i going with this.

>>718293196
it depends if the soldiers are jews. If they're jews they will hog all the oxygen with their big noses. all the ants will then die out.

I FUCKING KNOW I FUCKING KNOW NOW. THE MARINES ACCIDENTLY KILL THEMSELVES BECAUSE LETS SAY ONE MARINE SHOOTS ANOTHER MARINE WITH A FLAMETHROWER, THEN THE ONE NEXT TO HIM BLOWS UP AND THE CHAIN CONTINUES UNTIL THEY ALL BURN AND DIE. THEREFOR LEAVING THE ANTS ALIVE. IM A FUCKING GENIUS

>>718299008
Spörö bär lörö bör xxd

>>718299099
1. the rules say that the ants come from all directions, this implies that the ants know where the marines are and only live to kill them
2. marines are capable of killing themselves
3. and they will do it rather than spend an eternity hunting an ant on an infite field.

>>718293196
What if the ants didnt kill the marines, but gave them a really unexpected handjob instead?

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Stalemate
>Ants are slower
>Marines pick up sleepy comrad walk
>Next sleeps
>Picks him up
>Walk
>Walk in circles forever
>Ants never catch up
>Stalemate
>walking forever right round
>like a record baby
And that's why the earth is spinning fyi

>>718293196
Ant's easily, even with the flamethrowers the marines simply couldn't hit every ant since only the outermost line could fire and wouldn't be able the cover the whole perimeter. The ant's need only a tiny gap to get in and once they are the marines will begin to fall. The fight will be won within an hour but who knows how long it could take the kill all the marines

>>718300260
The ant s are coming every direction dipshit.

Where can you run when all is ants?

>>718293196
ants cant kill you...

>>718300360
Upwards
Or
Flamethrower in front
Walk in one direction

>>718300428
and what to do you do when you run out of fuel? tell me that einstein.

Also running away doesnt win the fight, marines can only win after they kill all the ants.

>>718293196
Do you have any fucking idea how big Graham's number is? Even if all the computational power in the world was to band together to attempt to calculate it the sun would probably explode before you got any significant progress done. It's incredibly, stupidly big. It's so big that you can't even conceive of how big it is. A Graham's number of fucking bed bugs could win that fight.

>>718300428
Then you walk over fire, burn your feet and fall down or climb up and let the lower marines die and you will then either fall or be attacked by ants below.

The ants will ALWAYS win

>>718300536
More then enough fuel to breach the circle
After that it's walking and kiting
Stalemate > victory
>>718300640
No

>>718300690
Yes. You can't just say no without a rebuttal. You can't beat the ants; they are perfect for this situation and could easily kill the marines

>>718300763
Marines are faster,they can easily break the circle
Also since they are marine animals, as the name implies, they can just dive under water and watch from below as the ants can't do shit

There are a lot of ways the Marines could defeat the ants. It really depends. Dig trenches, sleep in shifts, constantly have people burning ants, but funnel the ants so you conserve fuel. If they can't dig for some weird reason, then they can build walls of dead ants. Ants can climb on most anything, but they do tend to go around obstacles if it's easier to go around. This way a handful of men with flamethrowers could burn the most possible ants per minute and allow those that aren't on ant duty time to sleep, relax, or whatever. Enjoy eternity sitting on a huge flat plane covered in giant walls of dead ants everywhere.

>>718300879
900 ocitillion years is not enough time to kill all the ants with that tactic.

>>718300844
>Marines are faster,they can easily break the circle

This all boils down to you not understanding the numbers, the circle will never be broken, it is too big.
Tell me, how many miles would you be willing to carry another human before you shot yourself in the head? Whatever number you just thought of doesnt even compare to the number you need.
You cant walk or run away from the ants, not happening.

Erm, just building up walls of dead ants blocking the ants on the outside and keeping them out would eventually create a safe area.

>>718300844
No they couldn't. You can't grasp the capabilities of the ant's. Ant's bite hard, just a couple of ants will slow a marine down and then more get on and then that marine dies. The marines BEST chance is to stay put and even then they will 100% die.

>>718301023
Ants can climb retard

Impossible question.

Semi-realistically: humans would win due to simple cornfed logic. Anyone with a brain could wipe out a physical wall of insect destruction 60km/tick/wide. What else does any insect population really have in a conventional war scenario?

>>718301106
So? Make a ceiling.

>>718301164
And then ants go on it and collapse the ceiling and now you are smothered in ants. not too mention you cant support a ceiling large enough to cover that many marines.

You don't get how many ants there are and how many marines there are

>>718301164
Are you actually retarded or just really stupid?

The marines can never win this fight

ant's are too perfect for this, get that into your heads ants are perfect and could easily beat those marines

>>718301267
For one, all the marines don't have to survive, but I'm sure enough of them could make rounded huts that they would. Burn a big mountain of ants until they are carbon. Dig into big mountain. Make 1000000000 similar mountains. Ants aren't smart, for one, and for 2 a rounded 10 foot thick wall of carbon will take a lot before collapsing. Since the ants are more likely to fall and go around, it would be pretty secure.

That's a lot of lions

>>718301017
>>718301082
Ant's can't swim
One part keeps them off
Rest digs through to the ocean
Done

>>718301307
Neither, you're just an idiot who seems to like calling people 'retarded' and 'stupid'. I dunno. You don't make much sense to me, tbh. I'd fight with you, but you're just too stupid to fight with.

>it would be pretty secure.
so just hang around in a cocoon made of ants for eternity and hope the ants wont get through, which they will since they have infinite time.

>>718301420
You aren't taking this seriously.

The an'ts are in bigger numbers then you could ever imagine, the marines wouldn't have time to do any of that since the moment an ant gets through the outer perimeter it would be over

>>718301558
Well, once you have safe shelter, you can work on ways to eliminate the ants. You also have infinite time, and ants aren't smart. They aren't actively trying to get through.

>>718301477
Ant's can float. and there are too many fucking ants anyway. |They would fill the "ocean" as quickly as it could be dug. THERE ARE MORE ANTS THAN YOU COULD FIT IN THE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE.

>>718301654
did you forget that humans need to breath?
aww, so cute, i cant help it, i think stupid people are cute, like children.

>>718301587
That's a lot of flame throwers, the ants are stupid, they don't move tremendously fast, it would be possible to burn mountains of them before being overwhelmed. Then you create shelters, then from there work out the rest. For a few million years you'd probably be stuck under the ants in the dark, but eventually something could be worked out.

I think we are missing the important part
One Gogol encompasses EVERY POSSIBLE EVENT
So at least one Marin can kill all ants while another turns everyone in marines and another everyone in ants
It's stalemate due to the nature of Gogol
>>718301722
Marines are aquatic
They can breath under water
Ants can't

>>718301722
They could but ants are also not as smart as we are. Maybe the ants would give up.
Ants don't chase for vengeance they are just territorial. They only band together and float to either travel or survive.

So if you could get to water and torch the ants near you maybe you could work on establishing a base with a large enough moat. Then just have ant patrols to torch them in the moat where they are slow and vulnerable.

>>718301781
You must really love yourself, then. :D. I'm sure the ant bodies would be porous enough that air filters could be worked out. Not very difficult. It gets more complicated the smaller the ants are, but these sound like pretty big ants.

>>718301875
Fucking hell you don't understand. It's not a survival situation; it's a combat situation. The ants and marines will fight no matter what.

>>718301816
Infinite plain. No ocean was ever mentioned. Don't know where the ocean comes from.

>>718301951
Below the plain obviously

>>718302045
Not mentioned at all in the problem. Doesn't really fit. Also, that many ants would fill an ocean pretty easily. However, no ocean in the problem :/.

>>718301893
You really arent getting that this is all irrelevant.
Even if you were in a titanium cube 1feet thick and didnt need to breath, the cube would eventually be destroy, nothing last for eternity and EVEN IF IT DID, you would kill yourself eventually, it would be the only way it ended and it would end.

>>718301941
Isn't combat just an extension of survival?

>>718302223
You make no sense. These are ants on an infinite flat plain. Nothing is forcing them to overwhelm anything. They would mostly disperse.

>>718302299
its a battle, get over it and talk about the fight or get out.

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>>718296966
you win at this game

>>718302130
marines can dive and breath under water
Ants can't it's in the name
Marines wildlife

>>718302461
if only there was water and marines were fishes instead of humans.

>>718302380
LOL, I am talking about the fight. That's the thing. Most fights are lost by simply charging in and shooting without a plan.

>>718302461
1. It's US Marines, so they can't breathe under water.
2. Ants can fill up the water.
3. There's no fucking water.

>>718302569
There is water
And fish are marines wildlife
So Marines can dive under ants

>>718302610
oh so where is the part where you kill all the ants?

>>718302669
The US isn't the only country with marines wildlife and every marines wildlife can breath under water
I saw it on the discovery channel

>>718302683
U.S. Marines are troops, not fish. There is no water. If the ants filled up the water, there's nothing to dive under. This really is stupid shit, man.

>>718302383
fuck this thread

>>718302775
No marines wildlife are usually flocks or schools not troops

>>718302717
It's a LOT of fucking ants. Will take a googolplex of years, and then some, no matter how you do it. If you have a place to stay safe, though, and plan strikes, eventually you'll destroy them.

>>718302891
You're an idiot. The image says nothing about marine wildlife, and English isn't your first language, either. So you're stupid, AND your English sucks.

>>718303003
Sorry that you can't understand why marines would win the game

>>718293196

There is no way to tell, however, im pretty sure that a googolplex of marines with flame throwers would kill the ants given enough time. If they were able to coordinate even 1/2 of them to kill ants on shifts while the others slept they would still probably win.

Ants are very small, flame throwers would kill around 5000 ants/10 seconds. I mean it seems insignificant till you multiply 5000x 1/2 a googolplex, per 10 seconds. Given 900 octillion years, and since grahams number isn't infinite i would say marines.

>>718303064
I'm arguing a way that marines might stand a chance to win the game. Your way is just stupid.

>>718303214
If they didn't get overwhelmed, and each marine had a quota of ants to kill each day, they would eventually kill them. The only trick is to keep from being overwhelmed.

easy they are u.s marines they win by rolling around

>>718303658
You're*
learn to spell dumbass.

>>718293196
Stalemate is the most likely answer. But if there had to be a winner, the marines would win.
>inb4 OMFG Graham's number is so much drastically inconceivably bigger than a googolplex
>I know, it's irrelevant

A googolplex of marines would inhabit a plane almost immeasurably larger than our universe. And the ants would come from outside of that immeasurably large space. This would give the marines ridiculous amounts of time to:
>kill ants with their flamethrowers
>set up defenses
>smelt the miniscule amounts of metal in ant bodies into usable materials
>create an academic class of marines in the interior that only spent their time devising better defenses and ant killing methods
>create facilities and factories in which ant-derived metals could be used to create more defenses and weapons
>create indestructible ant-seeking weapons to destroy ants on their turf.
>create a fail-safe against defeat-- a marine encapsulated in a universe-wide barrier of metal that the ants could never eat through, even if they knew that marine was in there

So, through their vastly superior intelligence, and nearly unlimited time, the marines could last forever. And if the ants simply kept marching in, they would eventually, after an unimaginably long time, kill them all. Or at least their automated defenses would do so.

>>718303856
I hope this is a troll

>>718293196
those are Army faggots in the picture, not Marines

>>718303893

Previously in these threads, I always fought for ants. But i actually ha to agree with you. Assuming sanity isn't lost, we could repurpose the seemingly infinite ant corpses to kill ants even quicker. It is MILLENIA between the centre of the marines, and the ants. They'd have all of human history, and then some worth of time to devise methods to mass destroy ants

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>>718293196
Spidey

>>718304516
Satan singles

>>718304134
>Assuming sanity isn't lost
When your sole purpose in existence is to kill ants, sanity seems like it might be a liability. You'd get some crazy ideas after billions of years of scheming against the ants, might be better for their overall survival. But realistically, it wouldn't take long for most of the marines to be entirely disinterested in the ant problem-- they would be nowhere near the ants, so they could not fight, and they would find other things to do.

>>718293196
>>>718304516
>Satan singles
Dubels chzckem

>>718304134
they are marines, not scientists, they dont have access to materials needed to build almost anything and this is all assuming sanity isnt lost, which it is because they are humans, not robots.

Ants win.
The only way you can make marines win is to assume so many things that the lifetime of this thread isnt enough to list them and as OP, i can tell you which assumptions are correct and which arent.

Marines win, if we're assuming that this is like a simple simulation so nothing happens such as the highly likely spontaneous mutation of an ant into a godlike superant.
Although the number of ants is incomprehensibly large, the marines can survive indefinitely by having marines on the outskirts that perform this rotation:
>move into ant-dense area, stomping through them
>move back out, slapping off the ants that climbed onto you

Since we're talking about stupidly huge numbers, not even a trillionth of the marines could be doing anything and there could still be a wall of marines stomping around that is so thick that marines inside the wall could never see a living ant while off wall-duty.

>>718304713
its not a simulation and the marines arent perfect stomping machines or robots.

>>718304690
>they are marines, not scientists
Anyone could be a scientist, given unlimited time and nothing better to do

>they dont have access to materials needed to build almost anything
Ant bodies have metals in them. And they could repurpose flame throwers.

>this is all assuming sanity isnt lost
OP never said anything about sanity specifically, but it's heavily implied that the marines maintain their health indefinitely.

>which it is because they are humans, not robots.
They could make robots (and other defenses), then forget about the ants all together.

>Ants win.
Even in the worst case scenario, the marines could encase one marine in solid metal, derived from flamethrower components. The ants would never know the marine was stuck inside, and would never find him to kill him, so would never be able to satisfy the "100% kill" win condition. At best, the ants get a stalemate.

>The only way you can make marines win is to assume so many things that the lifetime of this thread isnt enough to list them and as OP, i can tell you which assumptions are correct and which arent.
There is a whole lot of assuming, yes. But that goes both ways. You are also assuming the ants have some sort of interest that will keep them coming, from billions of universes of space away. The ants that far out wouldn't even know about the marines. You have to just assume they keep coming, for some unknown reason.

What it comes down to, though, is that humans can adapt and grow more intelligent in a way that ants would never be capable of. Humans would become exponentially more intelligent over time, and exponentially more dangerous to the ants. Eventually, even assuming the absolute worst conditions, the potential of the marines to kill the ants outpaces the ability of the ants to attack the marines. The marines only need to solve the problem of disposing of enough ant corpses at their borders. Which is easy. It really is that simple.

>>718303893
This should be a video game.
>Ant tower defense

>>718304829
Then why would the ants be perfect attacking machines?
Ants are simple creatures, they probably wouldn't know what to do if one of their own started slaughtering other ants, because that never happens.
However, when you have an absurdly huge number of ants, a tiny percentage will be berserk ants which could kill countless ants without retaliation.
Since the battle is of virtually infinite scale, it is also of virtually infinite timescale, therefore only the well-settled invading force is worth considering; and that invading force would have sustained almost complete internal losses.
There'd be a 99. then a lot more 9s if you were expressing the percentage of ants that would kill each other, since the only way for a berserk ant to be stopped is for it to encounter a similarly rare or even more rare defensive ant; and if the defensive ants are more rare, they'd be wiped out by berserk ants eventually, so then the only surviving ants would be berserk ants that just kill other ants.
The more time went on, the fewer ants would reach the marines.

>>718305332
That does sound fun, doesn't it? Just not with those ridiculously large numbers. And probably allowing population growth as a mechanic.

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>>718293196
That would collapse the universe
Atoms in the observable universe =10^80
Grahams' number >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>10^80
Waaaaaaaay bigger

>>718305332
It'd be pretty cool if there was a tower defence game which involved utterly ridiculous weaponry and utterly ridiculous scales of battle.
One of your countless marines fires a single shot with the laser machineshotgun of his huge mech, and just one projectile from the blast kills 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ants.
Oy vey remember the 6 decillion

>>718305558
Previous versions of the OP said outright that physical laws are different, and that no black holes are formed. Let's just go with that...

>>718305580
That number is nothing to graham's number

>>718305648
The ants are still a fuckton more than the marines
Litterally an infinite amount of ants for every marine

You can't even come close to imagine graham's number dude

>>718305756
>Litterally an infinite amount of ants for every marine
So you can't spell, and you don't understand the concept of infinity.

The number of ants is irrelevant. It could be "literally infinite" and it wouldn't matter. But it's not. It is a vastly, vastly, vastly, (vastly), larger amount of ants. yes. But the marines could set up an impenetrable perimeter, and would only ever need to deal with a finite amount of ants at any given time. This could be automated in no time. And eventually, after a ridiculously long time of the marines basically just sucking each other's dicks for fun, the ants would die out. As long as they were sufficiently driven to seek out the marines... if not, it's a stalemate by design.

If you dug down into this infinite flat field, what would you find?
If it goes infinitely down, then there is a guarantee that incredibly abundant metals exist due to the sheer pressure; how easy it owuold be to access them and how they would move with geology is tough to answer.
And even if not infinitely deep, metals might still exist in the ground.

Worst case scenario is that to get metals the marines have to build mountains of rock and dirt that are so high, fusion occurs from the crushing pressure.
Shouldn't take them long.

Anyone who thinks the Marines would win clearly doesn't grasp Graham's Number.

Also, assuming this took place on an infinite battlefield, both the marines and ants would collapse into black holes, and the ant black hole would absorb the marine black hole.

>>718306069
You don't know anything about ants, do you.

>>718306662
>Anyone who thinks the Marines would win clearly doesn't grasp Graham's Number.
Anyone that keeps mentioning the number needs to read the thread and address the people that already accounted for the number.

>>718306736
>You don't know anything about ants, do you.
Yes, I do, in fact, know something about ants. They are insects.

>>718305228
the ants HAVE TO have an interest in attacking, otherwise it would not be a fight.
You can just tell the marines, "Your objective is to kill all the ants" and they would understand, ants cant speak, so yes, we have to assume that they know about the marines, it we just planted the marines and ants somewhere, then it wouldnt be a battle, it wouldnt be anything.

So yes, it does come down to what the marines can do, what they will think of and how they will act, but instead of assuming "they will come up with a tactic that will make them win" say what that tactic is.
we dont know if the marines can win or not, you are saying they can, tell me how.

>>718306988
>but instead of assuming "they will come up with a tactic that will make them win" say what that tactic is.
This really depends on the specifics of the environment. They could build unsalable walls, or a giant multi-universe sized metal bubble to live in, with metals harvested from ant corpses. That could be a defense. Then they could build machinery on the outside, by the ground, that simply smashes up and processes any ants that walk through it. Then they simply have to use the materials that the ants are composed of to create and maintain their defenses. They could burn compressed carbon from the ants to produce energy, to power the machinery and robots, after they run out of fuel (if they ever do, since they would not rely on flame throwers for long). Past that, they could use materials to build robots to go seek out ants away from their home. And realistically, they would come up with things that no one alive today could ever conceive of. They are humans that live forever. They only get smarter. And they only have one purpose-- to kill ants. Even the stupidest of marines would make our geniuses look like idiots after a billion years of existence. The ants really have no chance.

>>718307408
>unsalable
unscalable

>>718294467
>-1000 °C
>What is absolute zero

>>718307574
Absolute zero is just a theory

>>718293196
Ants. You are seriously underestimating the possibilities given to an essentially infinite number of ants. They may die of starvation, but then the ants that didn't die can eat those ants. They can live their lives and reproduce on a diet of dead ants. Even if marines did the same thing, and more efficiently even considering their lifespan differences, even if the marines were constantly killing the ants, and even if 1 in a million ants survived every generation, they would still outlive the marine because of how retardedly large graham's number actually is. The ants would evolve in that length of time, you would get fire proof ants, bullet resistant ants, flying ants ants that burrow underground and come up under the marines' feet. People would not adapt as quickly and would eventually be overwhelmed.

>>718307726
>die of starvation
>lifespan differences
>every generation
>ants would evolve
You didn't read the fucking rules, did you?

Everyone who thinks ants win hasn't read the rules.

>>718294993
Yes there is. I think you mean there is not enough matter to create the ants. Space is mostly just large areas of nothing.

>>718307408
A lot of could's dont lead to "The ants really have no chance."
First of all we dont know if any of this is possible, we dont know how immortality affects the human mind, we dont know anything.

So imho it comes down to probability, because im not asking what could happen, im asking what would happen.
Realistically speaking, the battle would end fast, the marines would die of toxic gases from the flames, suicide, panic, malfunctioning equipment and things we cant even concieve of, every marine would make a fatal mistake eventually when the ants cant kill themselves, they can walk and bite.

how long would you last in eternal hell full of burning ants?

Marines slaughter each other to make a giant bunker and make the ants die of starvation.
>Imagine the trembling sound of the ants while they are running towards the marines.

>>718307852
I skimmed them and misread them because of it.

>>718307952
You clearly didn't do your research before posting. There aren't enought subatomic partials in the universe to show the size of grahams number, let alone any size particals.

But as the rules state, that univers isn't ours. So there can be room.

>>718308002
>we dont know how immortality affects the human mind
>No death by hunger, dehydration, old age or disease
The marines suffer no disease, or at least no death by disease. So who cares? They will inevitably become smarter over time. They will all eventually specialize. So they will all eventually be way smarter than any human in existence.

>we dont know anything
So why do you insist the ants will win? It is far more likely that these humans would continue on the path that humanity is on, except with a direct purpose and a common culture. They would be in a better position to advance far faster than current humans. Shit, the marines could just manufacture a biological weapon that attacks ant DNA, and would spread on its own. We almost have the technology fro that now, the marines could figure that out before a few thousand years with no problem, and only with a fraction of their resources.

>im not asking what could happen, im asking what would happen.
You already said that you don't know what could happen, so by extension, you cannot possibly know what would happen.

>Realistically speaking, the battle would end fast
No. It would not. The googolplex of marines, living on a flat plane on a flat plane, would occupy a space many billions of universes wide. The ants have to move by foot. There is nothing fast about this.

> the marines would die of toxic gases from the flames, suicide, panic, malfunctioning equipment
>implying
I'm sure OP meant "trained marines," not "fucking morons with guns and flame throwers"

>and things we cant even concieve of
So you call me out on this, then use it yourself... classy.

>very marine would make a fatal mistake eventually
Why? There is no reason for this. Most would never see an ant. Ever.

>how long would you last in eternal hell full of burning ants?
You are falling for the same shit as most "ant" people. There is very limited interaction between ants and marines. Only at the border.

>>718308128
>Marines slaughter each other to make a giant bunker
Why not slaughter ants to make the bunker? it's already been suggested. Read the thread.

>the ants die of starvation.
Read the rules. Read them. Then post. No one dies of starvation.

>>718308739
>or at least no death by disease
>biological weapon that attacks ant DNA
kek

>I'm sure OP meant "trained marines," not "fucking morons with guns and flame throwers"
none of the things listed are a problem with training, just 1 flamethrower has to go off and KABOOM, no more marines, where do you think they are storing the fuel, in an alternate dimension?

>very marine would make a fatal mistake eventually
>Why? There is no reason for this. Most would never see an ant. Ever.

Why do humans make mistakes? we are not perfect, we all screw up sometimes and in this scenario they have an incredible amount of time to do it. How many people around the world die of suicide and accidents a year? too many to allow the marines to live indefinetly.

Why are you treating the marines as perfect all knowing gods? just to argue?

>>718293196

Isn't grahams number the amount of objects in the entire universe?

with these, it is so large that the observable universe is far too small to contain an ordinary digital representation of Graham's number,

the ants pbviously...

>>718309599
why dont you google it and find out?

>>718309491
>or at least no death by disease
>biological weapon that attacks ant DNA
>kek
>not knowing the difference between a biological weapon and a disease
A biological weapon can simply be a toxin. And not a disease. There are, for instance, polymers that are shaped just right that attack certain bacteria extremely well without having any adverse effects on humans. So, yeah, even if diseases are ruled out, biological weapons can still be effective.

> just 1 flamethrower has to go off and KABOOM, no more marines
So one flame thrower is going to take out ALL the marines? You have no concept of what a googolplex of marines would look like. They would span billions upon billions of our universe. No one flame thrower would make even a noticeable dent in their numbers, regardless of how or where they store their fuel. Also, i'm pretty sure OP didn't frame this problem in a way that would lead the marines to simply self destruct due to poor starting parameters.

>Why do humans make mistakes? we are not perfect, we all screw up sometimes and in this scenario they have an incredible amount of time to do it. How many people around the world die of suicide and accidents a year? too many to allow the marines to live indefinetly.
The suicide stats for the world, as it is, show a rate of 0.0000016% per year. That isn't shit. And that's not considering that suicidal people are usually people with no sense of purpose. These marines would have a sense of purpose. You'll have to suspend some disbelief on this... if the ants are capable of walking across a googoplex universes, back to back, by shear willpower, the marines can be given the willpower to not fucking kill themselves.

>Why are you treating the marines as perfect all knowing gods? just to argue?
I'm not. But next to ants, they are gods. The human race could obliterate the entirety of ants on our planet, if we chose. And most people wouldn't even care. We have a capacity that they do not have.

>>718293196
Why is anyone even posting here?
Does it really matter who wins?
This entire thread is newfag shit

>TLDR ants win

A gogolplex isn't even compare able to grahams number. And with the listed rules
> No hunger
> No dehydration
> No old age
> No disease
> Need sleep
> No reproduction

Lastly, is not question the marines are fucked without the flamethrower.

I'm going to brake this down before I answer.

It takes a rough approximation of 666,969 ants to kill a human. That is laughable compared to grahams number. The marine are so stupidly outnumbered.

But the marines are smarter. And since there is no reproduction evolution can't not take place so the Marines will remain smarter.

Unfortunately, the marine are so outnumber they would have no time to use their wits and can only fight. Further more humans need a minimum of 6 hours of sleep to function properly while ants need 16 minutes (according to my research).
Ants are also extremely small (obviously) so they fit in small areas (obviously)

That's all the advantage of ants I can think off.

Now we give the Marines the benofit of the doubt and we say they use napalm B in there flame thrower, which burns for 10 minutes. So they can cover a 4inch x 50 yard area with fire for 10mins when used properly so take every 2 seconds from your octillition years and mutiply it by 10mins and that's how long they have fuel.

After math and shit you would get 300 more years of use able fuel for every year if fuel you have when regulated correctly. Octillition = 10^27
So in reality, you have 300×10^27 years of fuel.

And here is the kicker, the fact that 300x(900x10^27) (the years if fule the Marines have) is able to be written in exponets and grahams number isn't, is why the ants win.

>>718307574
>What is a joke

>>718310309
>So one flame thrower is going to take out ALL the marines?
every marine has a flamethrower.

>Also, i'm pretty sure OP didn't frame this problem in a way that would lead the marines to simply self destruct due to poor starting parameters.
as a matter of fact i did, the whole purpose of the thread is to get people to look up what graham's number is and have their minds blown.

and dont think or get bored, marines do which leads me to yet another realisation, like all human the marines would start competing about power, they would have wars between eachother, the more i think about the problem the less necessary i think the ants are when talking about the marines being killed.

>next to ants, they are gods
we are smart i give you that, but when it comes to fighting, there is no species that can compete with ants.

>>718310700
>Unfortunately, the marine are so outnumber they would have no time to use their wits and can only fight.
This is where your logic gets fucked up. if a googolplex of marines occupied a contiguous flat plane, that space would be the equivalent of billions of universes wide. They would have all the time they could ever need to prepare for the ants, since the ants move so slow. The marines may have losses, but they will only ever have to create one defensive front, ever, and then they will only ever have to defend against a finite number of ants at that border fro the rest of time, until the ants run out... it would take an ungodly long time to win, but the marines would win.

>And here is the kicker, the fact that 300x(900x10^27) (the years if fule the Marines have) is able to be written in exponets and grahams number isn't, is why the ants win.
Also irrelevant. The marines will devise other means of defense way before that time runs out. They will only get smarter over time, and they only have one purpose: survive the ant onslaught until the ants are extinct.

>>718310796
>the whole purpose of the thread is to get people to look up what graham's number is and have their minds blown.
Yes, Graham's number is big. But the marines would not be dealing with that many ants at any given time. So who cares? It is irrelevant to the problem as it was proposed. It could be infinite ants, and the marines could still survive indefinitely.

>they would have wars between eachother
Humans bind together under the threat of outsiders. And they would share a common culture, with no generational shifts fucking it all up. I doubt there would be internal wars. Ants, on the other hand, are very territorial. If you allow the marines to suffer some of their innate humanistic flaws, it's only fair to do the same with the ants. And if that's the case, the ants will reduce their own numbers to nothing before the marines even get close to running out of flame thrower fuel.

>but when it comes to fighting, there is no species that can compete with ants
>comparing ants to human warfare
I hope you are joking. There is no comparison. Like I said, we could obliterate ants on a whim, if we chose to. And the ants wouldn't even comprehend what happened to them. Even if you could explain to them what we were going to do, they couldn't even begin to fight humanity. It's a joke of a comparison... until you start throwing out parameters like OP. But even then, I don't think there's any comparison. People would win, due mostly to the limitations on the number of ants that they would be subject to interacting with at any given point.

>>718293196
Ackxhually, with that number of ants you have to start considering gravitic forces. They would clump together in a torus shaped solid made up ofertes dead ants, with the marines at the center. Who would probably be confined to a sphere of flesh, ammo and fatigues. I don't think there is a clear winner.

>>718311560
>marines could still survive indefinitely.
not only do i think they wouldnt i also think that they couldnt, it has not been demonstrated to be possible to keep yourself alive for eternity even if you cant die of natural means, not to mention the will of being alive for eternity.

>Humans bind together under the threat of outsiders.
Arent you the guy who sayd that vast majority of the marines would never even see the ants?

>And they would share a common culture
we cant unite 6 billion people and here you are thinking its easy with a googolplex.

>Like I said, we could obliterate ants on a whim
current ants maybe, but have you tried annihilating so many ants that a fraction of their corpses would occupy all the space you could even visit with known technology and possible technology?

i've had fun talking with you but you can stop trying now, you are taking it a bit too far mate.

I think you guys need to learn how big graham's number is.

>>718311130
>they will only ever have to create one defensive front, ever
>the ants come from all directions

Underneath the Marines feet. Gg WP

>>718312185
>it has not been demonstrated to be possible to keep yourself alive for eternity even if you cant die of natural means
>it has not been demonstrated
No shit... this is all hypothetical. Because the problem doesn't mesh with reality at all, on even the most basic parameters. So you have to make assumptions that are equivalent on both sides-- if the humans can't survive eternity in this scenario, the ants have no chance either since their typical lifespan is only about a year. If humans get fucked up in this scenario, so do the ants. But OP said no disease, so there would be no mental disease either. Problem solved.

>Arent you the guy who sayd that vast majority of the marines would never even see the ants?
Yes. Just as the vast majority of Americans didn't see the front lines in WWII. But they bound together to support our troops and to protect like-minded, culturally similar Brits. With an impending force of ants, that size, humans would bind together indefinitely. Especially when the entirety of humanity is composed of military personnel.

>we cant unite 6 billion people and here you are thinking its easy with a googolplex.
They already have a common culture, from the beginning. There is no shift in culture due to generational anomalies. They are only likely to bind together more tightly, until the ant threat is removed... and after that, they still wouldn't do anything that would threaten their overall safety.

>current ants maybe, but have you tried annihilating so many ants that a fraction of their corpses would occupy all the space you could even visit with known technology and possible technology?
You have no idea what possible technology there would be. Even current technology allows us to explore by air. Realistically, we would likely destroy them through self-replicating means-- robots that kill ants and build more robots, until they are all dead. The corpses wouldn't pile up, they'd just stay where they died.

>>718312669
>Underneath the Marines feet.
Build a metal sphere. GG.

Ants would win. The Marines will eventually commit suicide.

>>718312324
You don't even know. So stfu

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>>718312983
well its your word against mine at this point, you say they not only can but will survive indefinetly while i say we dont even know if its possible, let alone how likely it is.

I like your faith in humanity, but its still just faith and not based on facts or good reasons.

Im gonna have to go now, keep the thread alive for me, or wake up, both is good.

>>718313032
With what metal? The fuel tanks? That many ants would have dug through by then. And the very least, the humans lose a large amount of people in the process of making multiple small spheres (a large one would take to long to become safe from a ground attack) which in turn means they lose a large amount of weponry and fuel to never again be obtained, because getting through that many ants is impossible without being over ran/caught on fire from walking on napalm.

>>718313912
>With what metal?
Read the thread. Ant corpses and flame throwers contain metal.

>That many ants would have dug through by then.
Read the thread. The ants have to WALK across billions of universes to get to all the marines. This gives the marines ridiculous amounts of time to prepare.

Read the thread. All your points have already been addressed.