Reminder that if you do not drive manual, you might as well chop

>>718267356
Unless you're drag racing and want to be the fastest.

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>>718267536
this
the only purpose manual serves these days is satisfying faggots like you that need something to feel special about your otherwise insignificant lives.

>>718267356

It's been proven several times now that automatics use gas more efficiently than manuals. Check and mate, faggot.

>>718267356
If your drive some pansy little sports car you're not a man.

>>718267356
funny, i agreee but i want one of cars that drives its fuckin self

>>718267356
Manual is my dd. Everybody that drives automatic is either a pussy or a shit driver.

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>>718268325

>>718267356
no clutch, no fun

>>718269847
No torque converter, no torque multiplication. Face it- automatic cars are quicker at the track.

>>718270126
>on fast performance cars

>>718270126
>Face it- automatic cars are quicker at the track
Whoa! Is this b8 or do you actually believe this?
What are you, American?

>>718270126
This, especially with newer DSG gearboxes. At this point, manuals are for pretentious douchebags with an undeserved sense of superiority. I can drive one, I just choose not to because I'm not a retarded asshole.

>>718270323
Automatic transmissions use a fluid-coupling between the transmission and the engine. This does 2 things- it allows the engine to idle in gear without having to depress a clutch and multiplies torque on initial acceleration. This "flash-multiplication" can multiply torque up to 100x in a performance system. This is why automatic transmission cars launch so fucking hard at the track.

>What are you, American?

Yes-an educated one. What 3rd world shithole are YOU from?

>>718270565
>implying that you know what you talking about
i think you meant dual clutch geabox, not DSG(Direct shif-gear; this mean stick and clutch)

>>718267990
>automatics use gas more efficiently than manuals
C'mon bro, you can't be this gullible. Please tell me, for the love of God, that you're just trolling.
You know manual drivers can put the car on neutral going down hills, or on flat, right?
You know that when you use less RPM's, you're using less gas, right?
Tell me, exactly, how "automatics use gas more efficiently than manuals".
Please, explain to me.

>>718270766
this nigger dont know shit, automatic transmissions need the torque converter, if they didnt had one the car would stall, or it would need an electronic directed clutch
the torque converter-s function is to not stall the car and properly send the power of the engine to the wells without the use of a clutch, it doest really multiplies the torque, it just maintain it

>>718270766
Damn anonyou rekt um. God bless America

>>718270916
Not that guy, but automatics use MONEY more efficiently. No shifting with a clutch means no clutch disk wear that will eventually require expensive replacement. And, since every automatic transmission in the last 2 generations or more uses a lockup torque converter (providing a 1-1 engine/transmission coupling) there's no fuel efficiency benefit to a manual transmission... and, as said, manual transmissions do not have torque multiplication.

>>718271253
No, it multiplies torque. Look it up. That's why any performance car uses a high-stall converter, so you have more multiplication than a street converter with a low stall.

>>718270916
it is true, and that is because most auto trannies have like 6 gears, and the auto trannies have to sets of 1 2 3 gears on eus 1.3 for one for example and another on eis overdrive wich means that it wouldnt be 1.3 it would be a little lower probably 1.2 and by this the car looses torque but gains fuel economy, but yeah the stick shift if better in fuel economy if you do nice shifts

>>718267901
It's more of a challenge nailing launches and shifts, and much more rewarding.

>>718270916
With today's technologies, sticks are pry much just useful for nostalgic reasons or faggots who like to play with sticks. Automatics now a days, especially as we start seeing more of the dual clutch trannies, are honestly more efficient in all ways than sticks, including gas mileage. Why do you think you see less of stick shifts?

>>718267356
>Reminder that if you do not ride a motorcycle you are a jew cuck and should kys

>>718270766
The Dominican Republic. Most of our cars are come stick, because we men don't drive like women.

Now, as to your 'straight from Google' post, I'm going to educated you a little, you "educated American".
You realize that automatic cars shift on their own? Which makes it impossible to control your rpms.
When you shift up a gear at high rpms, your car accelerates at a much faster pace. Automatic cars do not top down the rpm gauge. This means, that usually they're shifting at 3-2k rpms before reaching the redline.
Not to mention, I can double clutch to climb up rpms much quicker.

>>718270845
Do you even google. Look up a DSG gearbox

>>718271349
torque converters can brek to, and the clutch pads in the auto trannies can wear put too, and is more expensive caouse you will need to change the entire trannie in order to reapir this, in a manual car, you only would need to change the clutch, and that is all, even most of manual trannies dondt even need oil anymore, and auto trannies do, and lots, like 5 litter, that i like 6-8 kilos more depending of the ensity of the oil

>>718267356
did you just assume my gender?

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Get on the god tier shifter level

>>718271505
It's the same fucking principle as gear ratios you nigger.
>Oh look it multiplies torque what groundbreaking technology!
Shut the fuck up you futurist shit dick

>>718271349
And I agree, but we were talking gas, not "money".

>>718271505
dude, it doesnt, and if does doest even get to the weels, just get lost in the planetary gears

>>718271889
Or your mom and dad said they won't help with college if you buy a motorcycle even though you're 18.

>>718272027
dude

Manual master race reporting in
Autos CAN be faster, but usually only in a straight line.
Manual is faster round a track and gives you greater control over a vehicle, via the use of the clutch which can be used to induce over/understeer. Any moron can quickly drive an auto/dsg around a track quickly but a highly skilled driver in a row your own has the advantage.
Sources: most legitimate racecars (non-drag) still have a clutch for a reason

>>718272044
This is for posers.
Unless you have boost launch, you don't need this on a vehicle.

I'm a master at driving stick but I had to get help putting new window wipers on because I couldn't figure it out. Does this balance out some semblance of manliness with the general autism? 30/70? 20/80? I'll take anything.

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says the guy that likes grabbing dick shaped things on a daily basis, faggot

>>718272285
So are you a jew, a cuck or both? Get one, deal with the consequences later. They'll probably still help you. Love is a weakness

>>718272044
im not saying is bad, but you guys are trying to make it like is the best to have an auto trannie, it works very well in high performance car, but in low tiers the stick shift is more reliable

>>718270916
top fucking kek. you're an imbecile because all these fuckers are right.
>>718271349
>>718271580
>>718271684

ITT: faggots who belong on >>>/o/

>>718271684
Because degenerates like you are too lazy and prissy to use one, thats what the whole thread is about you imbecile

>>718267356
>grabbing a phallic object
>making me a man
I had a manual car. I hated it

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>>718267356
Get on my level faggot.

But no seriously, why the fuck do you care? Let people drive autos, the fact that you think you're a man just because you drive stick means that you are an insecure faggot.

Big city with lots of traffic - Auto
Highway where you can push your gears to the max - Manual

/thread

>>718272091
exactly what i meant, the problems is that the planetary gears are not very efficient in keeping the torque, they loose it, so the trannie needs a torque converter

>>718272720
Highways suck balls during rush hour, have fun destroying your clutch

>>718272519
Neither. I actually am considering just buying it. You don't even need insurance in my state.

I'd like to have them involved, but if they won't budge then fuck 'em

*This is how automatic transmissions multiply torque.
On the engine side of the torque converter is the impeller, and with a higher stall rating, allows the engine to rev higher at launch. On the transmission side, is the turbine, which transfers power, via the fluid coupling, to the transmission. There is a 3rd element called a "reactor" which redirects the fluid back to the turbine, which increases force, and... wait for it... multiplies torque. As speed increases, the slippage (stall rating) decreases to almost zero, which is why torque multiplication happens at launch. And, as I said, 2 things:
flash-torque multiplication can multiply torque up to 100x at launch and with lock up converters, there is a direct 1:1 connection between the transmission and the engine, eliminating any advantage manual transmissions had in fuel economy over older automatics.

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What do you think of Porsches 7 speed?

>>718272699
Because there's no need unless you just like playing with sticks. I owned an '08 VW GTI 6 speed and it was horrible diving it in the city. There's just simply no need for it. It's like chopping down a tree with an axe when a chainsaw is available. Get over yourself.

>>718272857
>Big city with lots of traffic - Auto

Do you even read?

>>718272857
Maybe if you're a retard and rev the shit out of your car to get it moving. Just let the clutch out slow at idle and inch forward you cuck

>>718272013
Dear Lord... I guess you are from the ghetto nations of the Caribbean. ANY automatic transmission can be manually shifted, you paella-swilling fucktard. AND, automatics these days shift FAR faster than your little brown legs and arms can work a clutch and shifter. At least that's how it works in the 1st world. Paco.

>>718273153
Yeah you said highway where you can push your gears to the max, good fucking luck with that

>>718273164
A lot of steep hills where I live, funny as shit seeing manual plebs stall out on them or burn them to shit trying not to roll back

>>718272091
Wrong... see explanation of how toque multiplication works here:

>>718273014

>>718267356
itt: assholes that think burning dead dinosaurs is cool and makes you a man

go drive full electric, no clutch, no shifting and full torque from zero to full speed.
also, generally way more torque.
also, the sound. or more the absence of it.

>>718273119
Too many gears. For me, 6 is the perfect medium. Porsche's PDK on their gt3 is wicked fast though.

Doesn't the Tesla beat the shit out of gas guzzlers too, I remember seeing one stomp a GTR

>>718273397
You can't heel-toe? HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA FAGGOT

>>718267356
Dad?

Manual fucking sucks when you live in an area with hills and traffic or stop signs or lights.

Auto is boring but its better on pretty much every facet of normal daily driving. Get over yourself.

>>718273151
It is 1000% this. Best analogy ever.

>>718267356
I don't need a stick to drive to work and back. High performance is not high on my priority list because I'm not some hillbilly wannabe racecar driver. My car gets me where I need to go reliably. That's all I need. I don't need to make up for a small penis by owning a vehicle capable of going much faster than I'll ever actually drive it.

>>718273583
They's one beating a Ford GT.

>>718273272
Exactly, just in certain situations. I'm not against autos since they're way more comfy in rush hour situations.

I live in a country where sometimes you need to leave behind trucks with 2 axles. Pushing your gears is a must.

Good luck waiting on your auto tranny to do that.

>>718273583
Yeah, electrics are quick. But take a Tesla down the track a couple times and plan for a 6 hour recharge before you go home.

>>718273670
Thank you, kind anon.

>>718273681
Prius owner confirmed.

Everybody that is complaining in this thread about automatics is a fucking pussy ass bitch. You fags simply cant drive a stick and think you know what youre talking about when you say auto is better. fucking gooks

>>718273729
Brah I'm in a M3

Gook ass cocks.

>>718272013
>when you shift up a gear at high rpms, your car accelerates at a much fast pace
ALL OF MY WHAT?
>higher gears must have more torque
>what is drop a gear and disappear?

>>718273821
Crown Vic, Actually. Retired cop car. Does everything I need it to do and they last for fucking ever.

I wasnt aware anyone over the age of 16 used automatic. automatic is for fucking teenagers who dont know how to actually drive a car.

>>718273014
>Increases the force
No it just trades horsepower for torque, and as we know, it is ultimately horsepower that determines acceleration, not torque.

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>>718274028
Yah those are awesome, but you don't have to deal with highways that look like this.

>Pic Related.

>>718267356
Reminder that if you do not drive manual, you don't commute more than 10 miles a day.

>>718274399
I commute 30kms a day you fucking bitch. BOTH WAYS

>>718267356
I drive a manual at work and my personal car is an automatic. I'm an industrial electrician/technician/mechanic and also operate a fuck tonne of machinery that are all more complicated than a manual. None of this makes any one any more or any less of a man. Find a better way to make you feel better about yourself you sad POS

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>>718267356
So, prior to the late 19th century (when the manual transmission was invented) there were no men on this planet? You need to chop off your headmeat with your specious reasoning.
InB4 "you fell for the bait XD". Couldn't care less.

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>>718273681
You make a valid point but you sound like a bitch doing it.

>>718272711
How the fuck does this thing work?

>>718272519
Deciding between an R6 and a CBR600rr, but I'm open to other 600's.

Am 6'5" and like 250lbs.

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>>718267356
I drive a manual and its fun, dont agree with you though. I had to buy a car and learn how to drive it, there was a chance id buy it and not like or be unable to drive it. That would have sucked. Not everybody has a way to learn and even less people have the means to take the risk of buying an outdated piece of tech to see if it can at the most be more fun. high risk, low reward.

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>>718274541
I commute a bit less than 300kms a day. I drive manual because the car was cheaper

>>718275667
What do you mean "not everybody has the chance to learn". I literally spent days just driving around my neighborhood rowing through gears, learning the ropes, gaining my confidence in manual. Dont tell me you dont have a free weekend to go driving

>>718276071
You have to own or otherwise have access to a manual that you don't mind grinding the gears on.

>>718276071
well.. I don't know about him, but I don't

>>718276071
not everybody has a neighbor with a manual. Days? You must have sucked it only took me 2 hours and all i did was stall.

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>>718276177
>>718276251
>>718276329
fucking noobs HAHAHA

>>718274184
you sound like a fucking piece of shit

>>718276522
>doesnt know how to drive a car

>>718276522
you sound like a fag, i bet you identify as gender fluid

I drive a manual, never drove an automatic.

I hate driving in general though.

>>718278760
according to the rules given by op, you are our leader now

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>>718267356

Do you need a phallic object to hold onto and stroke while driving?

YES --> Manual and you're a faggot.

NO --> Auto and a normal fucking person.

>>718276440

>noob

Implying precision decision making and clockwork gear engagement are not better left to a fucking COMPUTER doing that shit for you with a series of sensors and timers preserving the edges of your gears.

Right now, you are literally NO DIFFERENT that some faggot hipster typing his papers on a typewriter. Nothing but antiquated technology being preserved for ironic reasons.

>>718278869
such a stupid thing to argue about though. If you are not from the US, you are most like "forced" to learn how to drive a manual, if you are from the US, chances are that the first thing you'll encounter is an automatic. None of them has anything to do with being manly, lol.

I understand that a manual transmission adds to the challenge of driving, but does that make it manly? no. Don't act like you just tamed a beast or something..

>>718275347
When you reach the fifth gear, you go back to 1st (Now 6th)

>>718279468
i was making a joke at op weird logic

>>718279196
eh i drive manual, you're going a bit overboard, i dont agree with op but saying its just for irony is just wrong. Its a lot more engaging and fun. I understand its not for everyone, if i didnt have the money to buy this car id probably still drive an automatic myself

>>718279995
I know. I've just seen this thread a lot of times but never replied, thought I'd share my opinion.

>>718270916
The deceleration valve shuts off fuel to the engine entirely on manual transmission cars if they are left in gear with no throttle going down hill. You will get worse gas mileage (equal to an automatic) if you put the car in neutral going down a hill.

>>718267356
My car can be either manual or automatic

>>718281998
CVT? eww

>>718271684
Manuals still get better gas mileage than dsg's. Stricter emissions requirements are the reason why dsg has become so prolific.

>>718281998
The only valid reason to drive manual is that it's a good anti theft system since crackheads don't know how to use them

>>718273014
This is hilariously retarded thinking.

>>718273151
What kind of an asshole buys a manual and only drives it in the city? I hope you traded your gti in for a bus pass faggot

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>>718272333
Trips of truth

>>718267356
>2017
>not having the engine directly connected to the wheels/driveshaft

>>718281998
No. No it can't.

>>718268325
guess that means miata is off limits eh?

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>>718278880
I dont actually care what you drive, it would likely still be shit even if it were manual.
I prefer to drive a manual because i dont like my car creeping forward if i take my foot off the brake, and its really hard to thrash a rotary like it needs when the transmission wont let you.

>you're not a real man if you cant ride a motorcycle.

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>>718284006
O Noes!

Thank christ for this thread.
I just bought a new car, a stick shift, and due to some circumstances I lost my old automatic and now I have to take my manual to work tomorrow. One problem, I have no fucking clue how to drive it. I've been putting in the effort behind the wheel and watching some youtube videos, any tips for a beginner???

>>718284006
Here
>>718284375
i still love my miata it may no be fast but its cheap and reliable. 240k on the dash and still going up

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>>718275564
R6 is the most track oriented. CBR600 or ZX636 for the road, though they are both pretty extreme. If its your first bike, you should get a 500cc twin, learning on a supersport usually makes for a shit rider that takes ages to get comfortable enough to reach the edge of the tyre.

>>718284643
push clutch in put in gear give a tiny bit of gas slowly let clutch out do not over rev if you like having a clutch do not ride the clutch there is a foot rest for a reason. do not hold the shift knob both hands on wheel until time to shift. practice in a parking lot

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>this entire thread

>>718284643
Other than practice, what helped me was understanding how the flywheel, clutch disc, and pressure plate actually work, and what you're actually doing by operating the clutch with your foot.

Whether you master that will determine if driving a manual is an empowering experience or an onerous one.

I choose to drive an automatic, better towing, which I do regularly because my toys are more fun.

>>718284643
getting into first gear is the hardest part, its super easy after. Give it gas i was a little timid about doing it but its better to give it too muchgas than to stall.

>>718267356
manual driver master race reporting in. i'm a REAL driver.

>>718270323
Do you honestly think you are better than a computer... you sir are the one that is fucked.

>>718267356
speaking as someone who drives a 5 speed, you sound like youre extremely insecure with a superiority complex

>>718272044
Dont let anyone discourage you, thisnis the future. Even modern standard transmissions and gear boxes are greatly improved over those of the 70s-90s

>>718284643
when taking off; put it in 1st, blip the gas pedal then slowly decompress the clutch
shift around 3000rpm and drive at 2000rpm for economy
dont be an immense faggot when doing a hill start; use your e brake with the button pushed in so you can drop it as soon as you feel your clutch disengage

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>>718284696
bought mine like 2 months ago, NA, rear quarter panels were rusted to shit. Only got it because it was cheap and it was a manual, i wanted to learn. Thought id sell it right away but i fell in love with it, its too much fun

Reminder that if you drive a four wheeled vehicle you are just an unskilled faggot with no balance, motorcycles are superior.

I have a manual. 3 of the 5 cars I've owned have been manuals. When I'm constantly changing between 1st to 3rd to back to 1st due to that annoying as hell bumper to bumper commute. (Fucking crap ass LA traffic!) During those times I wish I had a automatic. Manuals are good for when you are driving for long distances and keeping a constant speak. In dense city traffic it sucks.

>>718284912
Faggot I hopped on a 954rr and rode the fuck out of it for 2 years and noticed abount 3cm of ckn strips, and thats on the street. If you've never ridden a litre bike you don't know what riding is all about.

The internet is full of americans who can't drive manual and therefore feel the need to justify it by pointing at other cars (unlike the ones that they own themselves) that have completely different non-manual gearboxes that have some positive benefits. The slush box in your crappy car is not better, stop kidding yourself. You just cbf learning how to drive like a man.

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>>718290393
>has chicken strips
>thinks he "rode the fuck out of it"

You sound like a squid. I get knee down on the road. Ive ridden 3 litre bikes, yes they are fast, but you cant use that power on any real roads where i live so there is no point having something that costs so much more than my 600 unless you do mad amounts of highway miles.
I commute 600km every week, tell me more about riding....

>>718288113
this is the obvious attitude of someone who hasn't driven manual.

The difference is that you know what YOU want the car to do, and you make it do what you want when you want. If you've basically been a passive passenger in every car you've driven, then you're not even aware of the options of what you can get a car to do, or the advantages etc.

>>718291480
I only have chicken strips because the roads I daily are not sharp, me having slight strips is a feat in itself especially on the street. Having rode the fuck out of my bike yes I've had it maxed out numerous times. whats riding the fuck out of it to you?

What is msport?

Having an 06 bim 530i last of it's time manual feels good mane

>>718270126
>>718270565
Wow you guys don't really get what's going on.

For one thing, a DSG has no torque converter, it's essentially 2 manual transmissions, which is why it is significantly better than an auto with a torque converter. There is power loss through a torque converter. And the 100x torque multiplication is a significantly misunderstood concept. To make it easy and remove the complications of some recent developments, look at any car from the 90s and compare the auto 0-100kph (0-62mph) acceleration times. Universally, the torque converter is always slower and uses more fuel. And is heavier, and is more expensive. That is the basis of a basic manual vs a torque converter traditional "auto". It gets more complicated to explain with some more recent inventions, and the autos have improved in many areas, but the underlying technology is worse.

DSG uses the same underlying technology as a manual, it just has 2 separate clutches as has one get the next gear ready in advance, to help it shift really fast. It's better because when the clutch engages, there is no slip and there's no power loss through the torque converter. These expensive gearboxes also come with paddle shifters often, which allow you to drive it almost how you want to. This removes the majority of the negatives of torque converter autos, and if you're not a car enthusiast, then it's really just a case of them being more expensive. But if you're actually one who loves the driving experience and maximising your control, then the manual is the better option.

>>718291788
You dont use all of the tyre if you have chicken strips, which means you dont lean, which means you ride like a squid. All speed in a straight line, corners like a pussy. Im not impressed that you can make the bike go fast in a straight line, any squid can do that.

>" learning on a supersport usually makes for a shit rider that takes ages to get comfortable enough to reach the edge of the tyre."

> 3cm of ckn strips
>I've had it maxed out numerous times
You should have started on a 500 is my point, you would be a good rider by the time you had a good bike like the 954. Do you still have a bike?

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Car I bought recently only comes in manual, and it is the funnest car I've ever driven.

>>718292453
I would believe this to be true, even if it was an underpowered cheap old car. In fact, these are often some of the funnest when you look back on them.

>>718292418
I thought "squid" referred mostly to not wearing gear, rather than not cornering hard. Perhaps the term has regional differences in meaning?

>>718267356
I have both


>Inb4 op is a poor fag and a fag in general

>>718267536
Actually, automatics win in drag races, but good job on being retarded.


T. Manual driver/NASA & SCCA Racer

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>>718292553
For sure. It's actually a modern car, and it is superb all around.

>>718292643
It refers to both. Because the squids that wear no gear, also ride like squids, slow turning, then pin the throttle on their 600/1000 to show people how fast they can ride(in a straight line)

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Manual because I'm not a woman

>>718293088
you sure about that? you do drive a fwd car?

>>718292418
What did you not understand about me riding on the street I've never experienced a track I'm not pro just saying I have ridden my bike to it's limits on the street. No I don't have that beautiful machine anymore I sold it for a dirtbike.

>>718273431
this multiplication effect only works when you're taking off. And it's essentially only a delay in the torque being applied to the wheels building up slightly.

Think about it this way, you have engine spinning at one end, wheels not spinning at the other (when stopped), and the torque converter slips for a while, when the clutch would instead start gripping faster by comparison. So instead of applying the power almost immediately, it lags a bit and catches up a little bit. But inherent in this design is more overall power loss. And when you're not just launching the car , you do not get any kind of multiplier benefit, all you have is the power loss through the less efficent transmission.

The reason people use them in drag racing is because they have generally got some ridiculous amount of power that they can't put down, and so it's difficult to get a good launch with a manual. So most get better launches with the auto, and americans are all about the drag racing, or sometimes turning left repeatedly. Not track work, or spirited driving around corners. There's also very few manuals in America, so people don't know how to use them, and it's embarassing to learn to drive manual, so people don't want to do it. They'd rather employ cognitive dissonance and rationalise that autos are better. Hence why most americans drive autos and prefer drag racing etc.

>>718292418
>>718293305
I respect the man that can has no strips on the street and rides on the track and has even better skills I must be shit.

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>Implying I want any possibility of being one of those retards that rolls back in bumper-to-bumper traffic
>Implying I want to be more engaged while traveling instead of focusing on my music, conversations, or the road

>>718267356
pretty much.

>>718267536
manuals are fastest

>>718293240
XWD launches with most torque to the rear wheels. It's the Haldex system like in a subaru WRX but with an added LSD and a kind of torque vectoring that can put about 85% of the torque to either of the rear wheels. 6 cylinder with a sequential turbo.

>>718282215
CVT's get better gas mileage and torque.

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>>718293305
I didn't really mean to offend. I was merely antagonizing you because new riders hear your argument online and think its ok to buy a 600cc+ bike because you were ok with it.
But there are plenty of examples of young men getting a bike that is too powerful for their self control, and they cause themselves permanent injury or death, which makes us all look bad.

>>718273271
Incorrect. Just google and you can find examples of some that cannot be manually shifted. I would even include ones that do not have tiptronic amongst these, even if they have "P R N D 1 2 3" as options all in one line, because those are not practical to actually manually shift with. Tiptronic is somewhat, at least because you don't have to look down while shifting.

>>718268772
An example of something pure garbage would say. Take a bus then fag

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>>718293240
It does have more power going to the front while cruising on the highway but always has power going through the rear as well. Its a predictive XWD system

I drive manual, automatic motorcycles are expensive.

>>718267536
>being this new to driving
Someone can't heel toe before a corner.....

>>718293605
why is basically nobody using them anymore then?

>>718293453
>Thinks he might roll back
>Implying I want to be more engaged while traveling
You shouldn't drive, i bet you are a terrible driver. Stick to public transport, driving a manual car is really easy, if you cant mentally do it, you are slow in the head.

>>718293623
I was nothing but responsible with all that power I let loose when i know i could and was diligent knowing the time I couldn't"let loose" . I had probably every piece of gear you have. Though I will admit I was young and slightly inexperienced but I could still handle my own.

>>718284155
motorbikes are for attention-seeking fukbois that can't afford a decent car

>>718293857
>Anymore
Subaru is using them almost exclusively.

Don't be a nigger.

They are just beginning to reach main markets outside of imports.

>>718293695
>>718293088
I stand corrected then anon. cool car. ive driven a saab 900 and couldn't get passed the layout, but AWD is good.

>>718293729
who would want an auto motorcycle? unless it was maybe a gullwing? Otherwise motorcycling is all about the riding experience and fun. It makes sense that some car drivers hate cars and driving and only do it to get from A to B, but motorcyclists risk their lives for the exhilaration of the riding experience.

>>718293453
If you roll back more than 1in even on a hill you're a total shit driver

After about 2-3 months of driving manual everyday you can eat, drink talk. I've gotten road head while driving manual.

It's pretty much breathing after you do it for a while.

As a person who lives in a densely-populated area with lots of stoplights, hills, and traffic, I'm perfectly happy with my DSG GTI. Manuals are fun when you live in some shitty little city in the middle of nowhere, or basically anywhere in the Deep South. But as soon as you have to sit in an hour of traffic everyday, that fun quickly dissipates.

>>718267356
>
I drove manual cars for most time, but my current car is a VW with DSG - never want to drive a manual shifter again.

>>718293859
I agree with you here. People who do not like driving and find it as an annoyance are generally bad drivers.

While I agree that if this is your attitude, it makes sense for you to not have a manual car, I do also think that these people are better suited to public transport, because they're usually the ones hogging the wrong lane, driving below the speed limit, completely oblivious to all of the people around them that they're annoying on a regular basis. And they're often unpredictable (although this is a less common issue) and therefore scary to be around. And for a motorcyclist, people who are oblivious to what's going on around them are life endangering.

>>718294012
I'm not sure what market you're in, but where I am Subarus do not come in CVT. They took off as a thing in the early 2000s and nobody liked them so they disappeared.

>>718293987
Cars are for showing, pretending to show off how big your dick is and that you have $$, bikes are for men.

>>718294086
couldn't agree more. And the people who don't share this view, obviously have not mastered manual themselves.

>>718294270
I second this. I've DD'd a manual and an automatic, and the DSG is basically the best of both worlds.

>>718293859
I drive perfectly fine I just bought a car in fact and already commute to central Denver all the time without incident.

Since we're assuming things about eachother I bet you're one of those assholes that never uses a blinker and keeps his brights on all the time. Faggot.

>>718294370
I am in the North American market.

Every new model year of Subaru's vehicles is coming standard with CVT or has the option for one. Jeep uses them as well IIRC but I know less about those.

>>718294049
Yeah, I ride a dual-sport, so an automatic would be real stupid, but I could see it for touring bikes. It exist, it's just expensive and pointless

>>718294386
can't fuck someone in a motorbike

/thread

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>>718293959
Yep, and that still doesn't make it right for everyone. You seem like the sort of sound minded rider that can make it work, but it depends where you live. In NZ we have LAMS, which restricts the bikes you can legally ride on learner license. It teaches riders to ride around the bike. Example: my first bike was a 1990 CBR250RR. 45hp 4 cylinder. 20,000rpm rev limiter. It was quite common to need to downshift 4 gears into a corner or when overtaking, it makes you plan ahead, possibly the most important skill to learn as a rider.

>>718267356

real men need to grab a phallus regularly. makes sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjtm_Y1h2eI&t=7s

>>718293987
tell me more about how much balls it takes to drive a car near its limits of traction... oh yeah, nowhere near as large as anyone who rides.

>>718294497
>>718294270
I will admit that the problems with the auto slushbox are easily 85% all gone with the DSG, and that if you're not an enthusiast, there's probably not much of a reason not to get the DSG other than the price factor.

Slushboxes are garbage tho, we'd all agree.

But as a proper enthusiast, the control that having a clutch gives, can't be matched anywhere else. Ideally a proper sequential manual with a clutch would be the pinnacle of performance, and this is what racecars have. you only really need to touch the clutch pedal to take off or to clutch kick, but you have the control when you need it, and shifting is instant. Unfortunately these gearboxes are expensive, kind of like the DSGs, but also a bit noisy, unless you get helical cut gears which will wear out eventually, which people wouldn't want to have to pay for. Although, when the clutches or the mechanisms in the DSGs die, they are gonna cost a bomb as well, and probably more labour. Those are all made in germany with very expensive parts.

>>718294665
I'm in Australia. That's quite interesting actually. Because they gave them a go here like 12 years ago and gave up on them. Interesting that they're pushing them over there. Nobody really drives manuals in America, so I guess it's really slushbox vs cvt vs dsg, and subaru don't really have access to DSGs affordably. I honestly don't think they will catch on though, even in the US.

>>718282837
>hurr durr if you don't drive out to the desert to do sick driving maneuvers like in The Fast and The Furious, you're not a REAL man

>what people who drive shift actually believe

>>718294918
tell me again how fucking stupid it is to drive a bike OR car anywhere near the limits of traction anywhere but on a track?

>>718294738
you could fuck them on top of one or up against one...

alternatively a bed works also

>>718294814
I agree. Aussie here. We have the same LAMS scheme here and I believe it's definitely a good idea. It would save lives for sure.

>>718295233
prius driver detected

>>718295233
I ride dual-sport, so I don't push my bike to hard when it comes to traction limits, but I gotta agree with you.

>>718294814
That's the real way to learn slow and gradually. Where I live you can hop on a 1000cc bike and kill yourself. Easily we have no training only the mv course which is a joke to daily riding. I've been on a bike my hole life Wether it be a motocross bike or a BMx bike nothing prepares you for street riding until you experience it.

>>718294814
In America, at least AZ, there is no middle ground. You can't ride bike with a permit, you have to have a full fledged liscense and then get M class rated.

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>>718294610
> I just bought a car
You're a fucking learner driver mate. Dont start assuming shit. Im >>718284912
Ive driven/ridden over 500,000km since i started, never crashed, yet i use rural roads like my own racetrack. People who dont like driving are shit drivers, you endanger all of us.

>>718295383
a GSXR1000 is a prius?

>>718295443
the "absolute limit" on a motorbike isn't really what people actually get to when they go for a spirited ride on a motorbike though. The learning curve on a bike is far greater. But you can still be pushing yourself and feat grabs you and you freeze up and crash, even without being really on the limit. So with that in mind, I'd agree with that for motorbikes, but when it comes to cars, most ppl just dont realise that they could just go a fair bit faster and be completely fine. So they imagine that they're on the limit but they really aren't.

>>718295593
Stop posting pictures of that damn bike, it's too damn sexy for 2 am

>>718295189
They're definitely weird at first, but not bad to drive. And they've gotten a lot better than the abominations they released in the beginning of their development.

From a stop, they perform worse than other automatics because of friction loss, but from a roll they are superior by leaps and bounds. Max power at all times.

They aren't super popular for enthusiasts, but most average consumers only see the higher mpg's.

>>718295443
>dual-sport
Then you're probably near the limit of traction on every corner.

[spoiler]nah, just kidding. i've seen a few guys fucking rip it on dual sports on good pavement, leave plenty of sportbikes in their dust... all about the rider[/spoiler]

>>718295597
Ok, Comment retracted lol. But what you're talking about when you say "to the limit" would definitely be different to what a prius driver would be referring to. I'm sure you still go quite fast at times when it's safe. Just the actual limit of a gsxr1000 is ridiculous on the road

Yeah, dualies seem to be what everyone pokes fun at, we are like the half white, half black kid, no one loves us (except the ADV gear manufactures, expensive fuckers) I love riding them, but a good 450 hasn't come out recently, so the market is stuck to 250 (sexy CRF RALLY coming out) and outdated 650. Shit sucks.

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>>718295233
who said anything about having to do it on the road? Though on a bike, you typically just kill yourself. Im frequently near the limits of my bike in corners, why would you not?

>>718295671
This. Although same goes for bikes too... just to a lesser degree. I've been to several track days and know the bike has a fair bit more in it, I just can't get over the mental block to get there (and a broken shoulder from when I DID find it doesn't help the mental block). Same for car. I did a track course 20 years ago and couldn't fucking believe what the instructor did with my shitbox sedan on the first ridealong lap.
Still stupid to even push things a little on the street though. The margin of error you need to have available in case of stupid drivers or pedestrians is so fucking huge.

>>718295909
Need more dual sports in the world.

>>718295705
Fair enough. I haven't driven one. But my impression was that the "weird" factor was the main thing that people didn't like.

>>718272333
what in the fuck are you talking about?
from single seaters to lemans to rally most are using triptronic nowadays are you from the 90s?

>>718295905
Well sure, general population "to the limit" is certainly a different connotation to what someone who's been on a track understands it to be. Same goes for most street bikers too though. I've ridden with plenty of supposed hot shot sport bikers in the past that were most certainly NOT fast... and even more so, not track fast. There's just such a huge range of skillsets and comfort zones out there.

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>>718275347
Once you get to 5th gear there is a little switch that you flip up then you shift back down to 1st which is 6th gear now pic related

>>718267356
I don't have a dick anyway faggot, jokes on you

>>718296167
lol triptronic. I think you mean sequential manual with a clutch. That's what race cars use. Even F1 has a clutch they can control manually. Think more like a motorbike

>>718295671
im>>718294918
>>718295946
I take being at the limit of traction to be where you can no longer lean off the bike further, and the bike is near the edge of where it is safe to lean it over before you are too far over the edge of the tyre. Typically i can feel my front tyre begin to slide in corner entry, effectively understeer, and have to stand the bike up a little to run wide. My 600 doesnt have enough grunt to lose the back tyre under normal high speed cornering unless i were to just pin it.

>>718296217
That's fucking bizarre. 10 speed manual, like a fucking bicycle.

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>>718295946
I didn't see any indication that this was about track until I brought it up. The "not otherwise indicated" default is talking about street.
Also, yes "typically" but people really gotta be more aware that crashing a bike is not a guarantee that you're the only one dead. Check out the pics of bikes embedded damn near through a car on a t-bone.
Also, if you mean on the street, then either you don't actually know what your bike's limits are, or you're very, very stupid (or at least, naive).

>>718276071
chill jonny boy not everyone lives in a lawless trailer park like you

>>718274749
lol agreed. good call

>>718296376
Sure Rossi. Sure.

also, if that were the case, you aren't really riding the limits since you have room to run wide.

>>718296438
Probably a semi truck or something you need a B license to drive

>>718295946
I live in AZ, there is a high chance of sand in every corner and you haven't shit yourself will you hit a patch of sand and lose traction while leaning.

>>718296704
Ive run it off the road before doing just that. Tend to ride more sensible now, but if you aren't making mistakes, you dont learn things.

>>718296758
Ah, didn't consider that.

>>718296758
Just looked it up, that's exactly what it is.

>>718296469
Seen a Harley flip a car in a crash, i do agree, but if you ride like that around roads where that can happen, you're an asshole, so i dont do that. You cant really use sport bikes completes on the road.

>>718296819
yeah.... fuck. that. NZ has pretty poor road surface but at least its usually clean.

>>718296819
Can confirm the feeling. I hit sand leading to a double wheel slide almost entirely across the outside lane... with a very steep 100s of feet high unguarded drop off like 2 ft from the pavement. That certainly slowed me down a notch for the rest of the trip.

>>718296995
Yeah I'm with ya. I still ride spirited on the street (heavy on "choose your place and time" though) sometimes, but I've mainly be riding track the last few years. In many ways much more satisfying.

I like the manual master race not cause of bull shit numbers like your gear shifts and track times, like any of us here do that anyway. It's more fun to drive you pay more attention cause your more involved. You guys can throw around your fuck tard numbers with your double clutch less than a half a second shifts but who cares. If you don't know how to drive a manual your a pleb, if you choose not to and you know atleast you aren't an autistic cunt

ITT salty muricans who are too retarded to learn manual

>>718297494
lol yep

>>718296217
Are you fucken serious? has anyone fucked up on the switch and gone straight to first?

>>718297349
fucking this.

autos are for weak faggots, the disabled, the lazy and people that do not appreciate controlling a machine.

Automatic gearboxes are heavy, slow, use more fuel and cost a billion dollars to repair if they break, which they do from poor or no maintenance.

Manuals are more engaging, stronger, provide better machine control, require better motor skills, are more reliable.

Seriously, wow, faggot thinks autos are superior because they're newer... They're gayer. only weak faggots with small dicks and an inability to control a vehicle without both hands on the wheel at all times like a retard drive and argue for autos.

Seriously. Autos are gay, and you should feel ashamed for driving one unless you have a disability.

I guess autos are good for wholfing down your fat macdonalds while you drive.

fat cunt faggot losers.

manuals are for men.

suck my dick.

>>718272013
Double clutch a couple of dicks in your mouth

>>718267356
If you do not know how to operate a non-synchromesh gear box you may as well chop your dick off.

>>718299074
Then sit on it you faggot

>>718299478
sit on what, you demented millennial loser?

Wah, my testosterone levels are too low, my visual/spacial awareness and hand-eye coordination are more comparable to that of a woman or a brain damaged homosexual so I need to drive an auto because I am too gay and feeble to master the far superior manual transmission

better eat some more fat fast food and squeeze my gay pimples while my girlfriend fucks me with her feminine penis in the back of my automatic car.

WAAAAHHHHH!

>>718267356
eurofag reporting in. I would gladly drive an automatic because im always about " making life easier " If you think its "MANLY" to drive a manual you need to reconsider your life.

>>718299695

making life GAYER!

you should be ashamed, asshole... Although germany's cars are highly overrated they do like their manuals..

you must be from the gay part of europe?

(please don't be from Scandinavia)

>>718298696
im suprised there are this many people that dont know what this is.

Yes, plenty of people have accidentally flipped the splitter and attempted to go into first instead of 6th, however you would only get grinding as it wont go in.

>>718292842
That's what he was saying you fuckwit

Auto wins straight lines

>>718299966
Auto wins at being GAY and FEEBLE