Why do Americucks have this shit system? Do you people not get

>>718145596
Made $16k last year off tips while full time in school
>triggered?

I agree. Every person that advocates for tips is a faggot. I've worked tipped jobs too.

>>718145596
I totaly agree. Everywere else the service is included in the price. If you are not happy just call the manager and refuse to pay for it..

>>718145707
No, you're just a leech.

>>718145596
Second

>>718145827
Yeah leeching off rich old people... I see no problem

Australia was pretty fucking nice to eat out because they don't have this tipping culture bullshit.

>>718145596
avoiding taxes isn't so bad when you can use every penny.

>>718145894
you dont deserve that money though, because you aren't worth it

>>718145596
they don't earn salary because they get payed around 3 or 4 bucks an hour. You're not an asshole. You're just ignorant.

>>718145596
Tipping is a leftover system rooted in racism, so employers could get away with not paying black people.

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>>718145596

Do you get this mad when I give your mom the tip?

From what I hear these days around town, she needs it!

>>718145985
Yeah but I got it anyway. Made like $50k through 4 years of undergrad off this shit

>>718145894
Because you're a fucking retard.

i know folks who get mad if you dont tip. like how is it my fault that they dont get paid enough?

>>718146107
fucking idiot

>>718145596

A naive, almost childlike loyalty to Laissez Faire Capitalism has resulted in us slowly becoming a supplementary service-based economy.

Think about it. As income inequality gets higher and higher and our economy less and less stable with less liquidity in it, things like mandatory gratuity, Etsy, Uber, AirBNB, etc. have popped up.

The economy is actually trying to fill in gaps that are being sucked up by the rich with "service oriented" supplicant jobs.

>>718145596
it all works out the same in the end. your food costs less and then you tip, or your food costs more because the tip is factored into the wage of your server

theres really no way around it

Don't worry, times are changing. There are areas that are doing away with the tip system. They are raising prices though. Tips are still welcome, as they should be, but they are by no means compulsory or necessary.

>>718146158
Look it up, dipshit.

>>718146108
>Salty bus boy who makes 2 shillings an hour

Nice meme bro.

>>718145596
>Do your fucking job and earn a salary like the rest of the world, cunt.
I'm sure a lot of them would like to earn a living wage.

If I'm giving a tip, she better be taking the tip.

If you don't like it just continue eating at Taco Bell

>>718146256
take employment law troglodyte

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>>718146070

they don't earn salary because slimeball managers that know the US uses the tipping system and that they can get away with paying people like slaves. IF we all could wise up a bit and stop tipping, maybe everyone in the end could benefit, aside from the slimball Jew owners of said establishments.

Because store owners want to get away with paying their employees $2.50/hour, the customer gets stuck making up the difference.

>>718145985
why does it matter if hes worth it? blame the dumb cunts that give them the money.

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>>718145596
>When in usa;
>Never tip... that'll teach those american simpletons to take jobs that require begging, instead of working for an employer that gives a real wage.
>Go in rest room... piss on floor instead of in the bowl since by forcing them to hire cleaners, you're actually supporting their failing economy.
>Always write "Bedbugs!" in the hotel comments register in very large letters.
>Go there infrequently... the 3rd world usa is not somewhere to hang around now Prez ClownCar is gonna be in charge.
>Muh plan be workin'.
>The usa be turning into Nigeria.

>>718146335
Literally not my problem. I pay for my food. The food creates profit, profit creates income.

Why should I worry about some mexican peasant jizzing on my food when I pay for precisely that, FOOD.

Because my coworkers 16 year old daughter made $400 Christmas weekend at IHOP from tips on top of her hourly pay.

>>718146401
That still wouldn't change the fact that what I said was correct.

>>718145596
nigger detected

It's pretty simple - it's an archaic system, but people that work in a person-to-person service industry make minimum wage. According to other countries, this is well below their hourly pay.
In American dollars, the difference is roughly 15%.
The beauty of OUR system, is that if they give you shit service, you can take away from your country's normal amount.

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>>718145596
stop hating on America, you broke ass europoor.
youre just mad because we have real food and service on our restaurants and you just have a fucking bread stand.

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>>718146282

>Linux admin in the US that makes $78k/year.

How's that brexit going for you, fucking chav wanker.

>>718145707
I made $70k driving a truck on my Australian salary effortless

>>718145596
that's an insane tip though >25%

>>718146579
You like begging then, burger?

>>718145596
Because our average minimum wage does not meet our average living standard. People who can only get minimum wage jobs that don't tip usually have to have state assistance help them out, or work 2 jobs. Be thankful your country has a better minimum wage.

Fuck you OP, I went to Europe and the service was absolute shit.

>>718146649
>real food
>calls me poor
>1000 calorie shitburgers

You do realize you guys literally eat the worst quality food on the planet. I gained 10 lbs in my month there.

>>718145596
laughing at anyone unworldly enough to think any fucking asian would refer to "asians" as if they are one big group. whitebread american baitfail

>>718146654
>Linux admin
so youre just a sys admin?
or do you just have no idea what youre talking about

>>718146118
Just was wondering if you feel people who have it are obliged to give you things, carry on brah

>>718146748
Try doing that while getting a bachelors in 4 years
Idk what the fuck the Australian equivalent of that is

>>718146654
I'm not a fucking briton dipshit.

>>718146869
Perhaps have some self control when you eat

>>718146828
Actually, aside from new York and California, the wages are noticeably higher than the cost of living. Most people in the US are just pretentious asshats with super high expectations that are not willing to work for them.

>>718146869
> I gained 10 lbs in my month there.
yeah because you are a malnourished bitchmade pussy.

>>718145596
they don't get paid minimum wage +tips, tips are included in the minimum wage, so if no one ever tips you you'll make less than minimum wage.
business owners do it to be cheap, its an incredibly dumb system that needs to be changed but not tipping means...alot. unfortunately you HAVE to tip, if you understand this and don't tip that makes you just as bad the the scum bags who keep this system going.

>>718145596
because someone is actually serving you food like you're some royal piece of shit, faggot. Be a decent human being, tip the 20% minimum, say thanks and fuck off. Fucking Eurotrash spic nigger slanty-eyed chink cuck.

>>718146869
Then you shouldn't have sucked so many dicks. Semen has calories and that shit adds up.

>>718145596
Nigger detected

>>718147084
Nah m8, tipping gurantees good service. Just make it so if they make under min wage even with tips the employer has to cover it, done

>>718147063
I'd rather look like a Nigerian than your landwhales.

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>>718146869

Go look up the actual nutritional statistics for a hamburger La'ameriken and tell me that it really is that bad.

Compared to some of the shit you fucks eat in eurpoe, it no only tastes 1000X better, it actually is nutritionally better for you.

Get off your fucking euro-pedestal and go read a fucking book before you appear retarded to any more of the world.

>>718146559
i was only saying,
it's not the worker's choice.
i agree, you should pay the price of what you get.

>>718146555
underrated post
also, trips

Why not just pay waiters and waitresses minimum wage?

>>718147201
It's not bad, but I prefer my meals being civilized 3 course heaven, not a glorified sandwich.

Which comes from Hamburg so lel

>>718145596
Why don't they just pay the waiting staff more money? Just include the tip into the price of the meal.

Also, i'm not the HR dept. I don't want to have to do a performance analysis of the staff when im done eating.

>>718147041
actually, no where in the entire united states is a 40 hr minimum wage work week enough to afford a 2 bedroom apartment. not even close.

>>718147041
This is completely untrue, the minimum wage in most parts of the country is not sufficient to support a single person much less a family.

Also OP, Waitresses in the US do not even make minimium wage in most states, their tips count into their wages.

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>>718146918
A systems admin works on more than one OS dipshit.

I work for a linux hosting provider. EG: WE ONLY RUN/USE/SELL Linux.

HURDURR I take classes at my local community college and know IT words. -What a fucking joke.

>>718145596
you should be talking to the restaurant and telling them to pay their employees a decent salary. i'm american and i agree it's a stupid aspect of our culture but i'm not gonna make my server skip a meal just because i'm like every other human being on earth and disagree with some people around me

If a waiter/waitress doesn't earn at least minimum wage with their tips, the employer has to compensate. There is literally no reason to tip.

>>718147479
OP here. That's honestly fucked up.

Like borderline slavery fucked up.

>>718147041
Yeah, $7.25 (federal minimum) per hour is totally livable. If you live in a tip-wage state like Virginia, you make $2.13 per hour plus tips.

>>718147589
technically.

>>718147342
Minimum wage is communist

>>718147589
In theory that's true, but if you actually work at a restaurant you find pretty quickly that it's much more common for the people who don't earn at least minimum wage to get fired. It's not pretty but it's reality.

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>>718147523
actually i just wanted to be a dick and at the same time figure out what you were talking about

>>718145596

I don't like tipping either but you have too if you don't want spit in your food. If you want to eat from the same place more than once you have too. It's all 16-young 20 somethings working in those places who feel obligated to have free money because they chose shitty jobs.

Used to order a sandwich from domino's every two weeks on my pay day, never tipped. I don't know about spit but it got to the point where every time the sandwich was fucked up. Frozen chicken was put on the cooked sandwich, they kept not putting ranch on it, I called and asked for ranch and it was drowning in it etc...

Stopped buying from them for over ayear, tried it again and got a decent sandwich, left a tip. If you don't want dumbass teens to fuck with your food you just have to do it man.

It's an entitlement culture we're living in.

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>>718146967

Never said anything about your being a "briton"...Whatever that is. I could have sworn it's a LANDMASS you UNEDUCATED WORTHLESS PILE OF HUMAN SHIT.

Also, when you keep ending every post you say with "dipshit" it makes me think your are retarded, or have a complex because your dad calls you that every time he takes the cock out.

>>718145596
asian here, not rude to leave extra money actually

>>718147749
That's depressing

>>718147201
says the man from monsanto- and fastfood-land

>>718147858
way to play into exactly what he was saying dipshit

>>718147614
some waitresses and waiters make only 4 an hour at times. Tips are what they depend on at times to just survive.

>>718147749
Yeah, that sounds awful, but if a server consistently goes under in tips, they don't know what the fuck they are doing.

>>718147638
It really isn't. Do you live like that? Doubtful.

Okay. Don't tip.

In fact be a dick to your server and ask to speak to the chef so you can call him a faggot.

In fact maybe you should wear a T-shirt and cover your car in bumper stickers declaring your opinions regarding gratuities.

>>718148079
So let's see if I've got this straight. I shouldn't tip because if they don't get tipped they don't deserve their tips. Want to make a second draft of that argument?

>>718148083
lol, I guess the sarcasm didn't get through.

>>718147191
it used to in the very beginning when restaurants where made for rich ppl(paying off the waiter gave you better & quicker service) but how the flying fuckery would tipping at the end of a meal mean you get good service 30 minutes in the past? unless your are the worse or best customer they have ever had they won't remember you.
tipping should be done with entirely or 100% optional and waiters and other jobs who have to work with customers should be paid more than minimum wage(dealing with ppl( who are, on average, hard to deal with) in the correct way isn't easy, in fact it can actually be VERY stressful)

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>>718147384

When you add a nice soup, side item, and desert... I guess that is kinda 3-4 items there champ. Because everyone in America eats hamburgers alone...

Also, just as you eurokucks have proven... When someone says hamburger where does one think of? THE US...

You fucks cant even hold onto the culture that is yours, it just gets raped, beaten, and then re-glorified as American, and sorry... But that's what the history books will remember kid.

-Also, we are just less faggy... Hands down.

>>718147998
So what was he saying? Your comment makes no sense.... The only worst country healthwise is china

>>718147838
>calls me dumb
>can't figure out what a briton is
>salty because our universities don't cost an arm and a leg

Ok.

>>718147848
Could be that not getting tips and getting fired are both because you're a terrible waiter/waitress though and NOT because restaurant are cheap asses

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>>718147858

lel
>implying your asses ain't owned by some fat cats as well...

Protip: They are :)

>>718148237
No, you should tip if you got good service. Here's my second draft: Servers who give good service have no trouble making tips. Servers who suck and don't get tips because they suck should get fired because they suck.

>>718148362
he's saying you rely on stereotypes and misinformation to judge americans without bothering to inform yourself. then you replied with a stereotype. get it?

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>>718146203
>mandatory gratuity
I don't think you actually understand economics

When it's a mandatory tip, that's just another form of charging a customer. All it boils down to is the 'server' getting a commission on the sale. If you charge a mandatory 15% tip, you're just giving them a 15% commission.

In more simple terms, the person's salary is dependent on them producing revenue. If it's a mandatory tip, the server earns no money if the business doesn't get any customers. If the server gets the customer to spend more, the server gets more in return.

On a system without tips or commission, the server has no motivation to do more than necessary. On a system with that, the server does.

But the US's half-assed approach means the server takes on more liability than the owner; a person doesn't have to tip them if the service sucks, but the person can tip more than average if the service is good. Granted, the US has a lot of dickheads, but it boils down to the average of all tips.

>>718147843
Legit asia, china, nippon and shit do methinks

When you visit another country, you play by their rules. If you don't like them, don't go there.
Pretty simple.

>>718148459
ofcourse.. All i'm saying is your country is far more fucked. In the U.S, they don't even try to hide the corruption..

>>718148336
>less faggy
>epicentre of lgbt and ither mentals

Ok

>>718148510
something that most people forget though, is that if you complain about your food in USA, you either get bill cut down, or they remake your food... even if you ate it all.

>>718148829
also to add to that, people who disliked their service, tend to get free shit, and then they don't tip.

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Hey maybe you guys can help me out. I'm going to church with my gf and her parents tomorrow. I havent been to church since i was a kid. how much am i suppose to tip Jesus when they pass the tip plate around? Some places say 10% of your income and shit but I'm not working right now. I dont want to look bad infront of her parents, I dont want to look cheap but i also dont want to look like im trying to show off or anything. plz help!

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>>718147152
>Pssst! Over in Europe we have restaurants and waiters too.
>Only they're paid a real wage.
>They don't beg like americans.
>The service is excellent.
>Europe is well known for some of the best restaurants in the world and the best food.
>Try again, dirty usa'er.

>>718145596
Obvious shitpost is obvious. Either that, or you're mentally handicapped.

Anyway, nobody is forcing anyone to tip. Large companies use this as a tactic to not pay their waiters a decent salary and guilt the customer into paying their wage. Its called capitalism.

>>718145596
>Asians consider it rude to leave extra money.

You're not in Asia you fucking retard.

>>718148498
how is it a stereotype you troll. America IS the source of most fastfood and lobbying mega corps.. you are the only modern western country with a third world situation regarding laws, rights and corporate influence

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>>718148405

-Never called you "dumb"

-I know god damn well what a "briton" is, and I also know proper sentence structure!

-Not salty, because I Make a FUCKSLEW of VALUED AROUND THE WORLD US DOLLAS BABY'

>Enjoy your awkward face kissing hellos, gorilla hair women, 70% overall fucking income tax, and stack of good ol' US Cuck porn that I am sure you are going to be jacking it to, after the crying from realizing how shit it is to be a europoor, trying to trashtalk a master-race American.

Ill be sitting here enjoying my 2,700Sqft house, wife, smart kids, fridge FULL OF FUCKING FOOD, $1500 gaming PC, and $75k European car... because WHY NOT, LOL AMERIKA I HAVE MONEY!

>>718145596
Tipping was introduced during WW2 era when all the men were off in the war. Women were left without a viable source of income to support themselves. Those that did not work in factories, or military offices, worked in the food industry. Because standard wages did not support them well enough, tipping was introduced in order to assist them with living. The idea kind of just stuck and became a thing. Nowadays it's abused so that kids can get jobs making ridiculous amounts of money just for taking orders. I agree with the history behind it, but disagree with how avid people are for it. I'll tip if it's an older woman, but if it's anyone who looks under 30, boy or girl, I am not tipping.

Mr. Pink sums it up nicely
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38

>>718145596
>Asians consider it rude to leave extra money.

They'll just take your money, shrug, and laugh it off as you being American.

They don't want 10% of your income unless it's one of those cult-like places. When I went to church I just gave what I could. Just watch the plate go around and observe what other people put in.

>>718148956
Just drop a $5 bill in. Her parents are morons if they think that money goes anywhere but into greedy pockets.

Your other option is to not go at all, because church is fucking awful. Fake an injury.

OP here. I usually always leave extra if the bartender/waiter was nice to me. I'm not a fucking animal.

But when it's expected, and sort of mandatory, I refuse to do so; on paper at least.

I ate in a restauraunt and this nice black lady was my server, always asking me how my meal was and shit.
Handed her a $10 bill on top of my $20 meal. But sometimes theybwere dicks.

I'm not garbage.

And despite being europoor, taly has the worst service hands down. Inflated prices, smurf portions, smug waiters.

Because muh ferrari

>>718149347
wait, so Jesus doesnt get any of the $?? wtf

>>718149014
Not him, but there are Asians around the world that still carry this mentality, retard. I bet you go to Asian restaurants and leave tips.

>>718149347
Ive been blowing off going to church with her fro a while. was going to go n xmas i was genuinely sick, might have been from drinking too much vodka but i was sick.

>>718149353
Greece is literally a 3rd world country now. They don't count as Europe in europoor eyes.

Which is sad because they invented the modern world.

>>718148979

Meanwhile in places where the civilians and the army ACTUALLY lack firearms like Syria..

That seems like a good place, right?

>>718147749
>>718147749
>>718147342
Fucking capitalist paradise, but has federal minimum wage. I can totally see why, because the mega-rich jews would totally enslave the entire nation to the point where people would start a violent communist uprising

>>718149575
As long as you feel like she's worth that torment, anon. More power to you.

>>718148979
I travel in Europe regularly. American service is better, not slow and not indifferent. American food tastes better. I'm not talking about chain shit, but actual, rated restaurants. Americans don't beg, but we also don't feel entitled to free everything because we have upward mobility. Waiters are not in the profession for life for the most part because we don't have government guarantees to other people's money. Instead we rely on each other as individuals to set the rate. Those who support tipping, and large tipping at that, appreciate the daily grind of their occupation, their usual motivation to get to a better stage of existence and want others to be successful. Plus, it's good manners.

>>718149722
it's only an hour, and it's not a nigger baptist church or anything, im sure i can suffer though it, her pussy is worth it

>>718149488
lol, not who you were responding to, but I do tip at Asian restaurants. I live in the US. I'm white. We tip in the US. They can either be happy to take my money, or be angry and take the ignorant white guy's money. I don't care.

>>718149602
That's because school shootings are not a weekly festivity in europe faggot. We're not savages.

And it's real hard to get a gun legally here. Too much hassle getting a psych screening twice a year and a meter of paperwork. Fuck that.

And fuck syria and mudslimes. They make me want to pick up a gun.

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>>718147782

Well, I can't vilify at a man for being young and dumb...

Tipping promotes good service from the waiter. Also waiters have to give a portion of their sales to the bussers, food runners, and bar if applicable. Where I work this totals out to 7% so if you don't leave a tip the waiter literally paid people for you to eat there for cheaper. It's not the greatest system but if you don't do it you should just never eat out

>>718149390
why did you mention she was black, Nazi scum? Stupid Eurofag poor cuck.

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>>718148686

>>they don't even try to hide the corruption..

Check out this 2016 US election. Lots o corruption hiding going on there son.

>>718148956
What? 10% of income? For what? Do they need money in heaven or some shit.
I'll pay the church once they start paying taxes.

>>718149579

They didnt. The ancient greeks and the sand niggery spicks loitering in those lands now are genetically different peoples. Same with the egyptians then and now, the macedonians then and now, ect.

>>718150138
i just read that online, i dk. there's no way i would do that but it seems many people do

>>718150246
Maybe for scientology.

The catholic church is literally one of the richest companies on the planet. They don't pay property taxes anywhere, so fuck them and I hope the Vatican ends up in flames with all the kidde fiddlers locked in.

>>718146649

How weird. I thought you Amerifags would have started using Russian. You know - in preparation to becoming Russian cucks when Trump becomes President.

>>718149116
>projecting this much

I bet you live in a trailer, Jeb.

>>718148829
your dialectic argument is misguided

you're missing the point entirely if that's your response. you can tip 0%, you can tip 10%, you can tip 30%, you can leave a tip that results in you spending a multiple of $20. it's not "mandatory tip or it's free"

if someone is a great server, they can usually make a lot of money at a good place. if they suck, they probably won't get too much. the US tipping system allows customers to grade the server based on the tip they give

>>718148956
10 bucks

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>>718149579

Only places in eurpoe I consider actually worth a shit are England, Germany, Russia, and France.

England because they managed to almost take the world by sea, while being elegant and diplomatic when needed.

Germany because they make some of the worlds smartest engineers, good music, some good foods, and lets not forget Beer.

Russia, because If it was not for them we honestly would all be under the 3rd Reich right now. They also have routinely produced the best and most worldwide used firearms for the last 100 years.

And last France, because they made some kick ass WWII tanks and ships.. And still to this day make some KILLER wines.

>>718150433
The Church does not have guidlines on offerings. Only Protestant denominations require the 10% model. Read a fucking book before criticizing, jackass.

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>>718150570
No puppet!
No puppet!
You're the puppet!

>>718148016
actually in a lot of states it's even less than that - $2-3/hr. if you can't afford to tip 20% or more then you can't afford to eat out.

>>718151033
kek

>>718150780
Agreed. Spain is pretty nice too

There are some aight countries on the radar though.

Austria because it's like germany only less cucked
Croatia because great food and qine, amazing scenery/biodiversity
Netherlands because Amsterdam
Poland because great party scene, good food and beer, legal weed

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>>718149897

>>We're not savages.

>The Crusades.
>the Middle ages.
>the IRA battles.
>The random and Violent protests that frequently happen in your countries, over things like soccer...
>the 3 times a week I hear on NPR about one of your unhappy people murdering/shooting/blowing up some public place.

Yep, you guys are 100% bloodshed free and nothing bad ever happens in europe.

Gosh, wish I could leave the safety of THE LARGEST AND MOST TECHNOLOGICALLY SOPHISTICATED ARMY ON EARTH to come live in your safeland. Where do I sign up?

>>718151029
Like I give a fuck about you skywizard shacks.

>>718147803
the people who serve at fine dining restaurants are far from twentysomethings. serving can be a very good living at nice restaurants. there are servers who make close to six figures.

>>718151409
>Mentions shit ranging from a thousand years ago
>Lol Ireland isnfor peasants. No wonder they emigrated to US
>blowing up public places (those are muslims faggot. They don't count)

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>>718150620

Nope. Own a home in a all white neighborhood where the avg house value is around $350k. In California on the outskirts of Sacramento. Place has a community pool that is maintained and a community car garage with a hoist. Shit is actually kinda ca$h.

Hows that youth hostel working out for ya bud'?

>>718146231
this. Its not that hard

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I always tip attractive waitresses extra to encourage them to keep working there. Ugly waitresses can never make more than 5% tip from me.

>>718151409
Yeah and your people need tips because your goverment spends most its money on said army. Have you heard of those billions spent on tanks and planes that just end up rotting unused?

Because hey, when you have the biggest guns why not make ever bigger ones even if you will probably never need them.

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>>718151363

I too like Poland and the Netherlands.

I've never been to any of these places, but can respect their contributions to society and the things I routinely do.

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>>718146869
>1000 calorie burger
>in a restaurant you're expected to tip

Typically the only place you'll get shitty food like that is somewhere you don't tip you fuck you're getting your restaurant types mixed up you retard

>>718151785
Idk. I like it because private backyard pool and one floor of house is just garage and a few acres of forest in property line.
And a few weekend houses in woods and on islands.

Pretty gud I'd say.

>>718151948

Heh, They sure saved your grandfather's ass in WWII, but I guess that had nothing to do with europe...

Again, pick up a fucking book europoor'

Pizza delivery fag here, I only get paid $3.25 an hour. Shit sucks especially when I'm using my gas in my car to get around.

People who work as servers don't make salary, they make an hourly wage which is usually below minimum wage because they can make tips. This allows the company to save money and usually the server makes more than they would if they were making minimum. It's just good business for the company why are you all so fucking stupid.

>>718152249

Come now' is that what you, or your dictator owns?

Threads like these make me realize we'll never achieve world peace. The xenophobia is palpable.

Can't even imagine what those commie ching chongs would say to both of us seeing they eat dogs and shit.