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Alcoholic thread! 2 am, at home alone drinking lots of beer.

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Alcoholic thread!

2 am, at home alone drinking lots of beer.

What are you guys drinking tonight?
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>>717993173
Didn't drink for 5 days.
Smoked weed.
Never want to have a delirium tremens ever again.
Shit was horrid.
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>>717993382
Wanna tell me about it?
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I'm being a good boy. I only had one beer this week.
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>>717993173
9:52 am
asashi super dry
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Trying to quit. Over at a friends house detoxing. Shit is fucking horrid man.
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>>717994057
describe it
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>>717993173
I could be drinking New Castle or Black Raven if I wanted beer right now.
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Got some Black & Tan in the fridge 'bout to slam in a minute, Senpai
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Fuck all i'm afraid, working tomorrow

fml
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With a late dinner, about half bottle of vino nobile di montepulciano, avignonesi, 2010. Now in bed..
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>>717994310
drink moar
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>>717993173
Going to my favorite brewery (monkish in Torrance CA). Probably going to down a few of their new IPAs and maybe a sour.
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>>717993173
nee, heute mal nicht.
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>>717994425
warum?
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>>717993173
You've got to try this.
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>>717994482
ich hab novmber und dezember mindestens jeden zweiten tag gesoffen und wollte den jnuar eigentlich nicht, gestern hab ich aber schon wieder. die schwäche wird langsm peinlich.
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>>717994087
Shaking like fuck, bad anxiety. Even dry heaved a bunch. Havent eaten anything. id rather be doing some else with my day. I am feeling better. Was a bac alcoholic for years, just came off a 5-8 day i dont remember, hoping itll be the last one.
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>>717993478
It lasted ~24 hours
It all started when I saw a demon at the ceiling.
Everything got out of control when the night came.
I hallucinated murders, corpses, blood, diseases, parasites.
Imagine a head with 5-7 metal rods in it, a woman sees it and screams in terror.
The single hallucinations lasted just a few seconds. So there were a LOT.
I felt like I witnessed ~700 murders and murder scenes.
Definitly PTSD kind of stuff.
There was one kind of funny hallucination.
>Hear guitar from room
>Enter said room
>A jacket is levitating above a chair playing guitar
>Stare at it in disbelief
Oh and I hallucinated a lot of porn before the night came. That was dank but so much not worth all the terror and lost life expectancy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXt56MB-3vc
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>>717995044
I felt so helpless and anxious. Poisoned. Terminally ill.
It is easy not to drink when you know that you could see dead mutilated babies at the end.
That was so bad.
Like being in the deepest circle of hell, Syria or ISIS territory.
Like being in freaking Ausschwitz!
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>>717995785
Sounds terrible. I've had my experiences with alcohol withdrawal, but not that bad.

I'll have a drink for you!
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>>717993658
>drink girl
who is this semen demon?
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10th or so beer here,
i know i have a problem
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Not an alcoholic, but am alone sipping whiskey and listening to moody music.
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>>717996260
link music
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>>717993173
>delirium tremens

Interesting.
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>>717996753
I've had a dozen of these and I'm still alive.
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>>717996650
Just browsing youtube vids for music. Last song was Ain't No Sunshine by Bill Withers.
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>>717993382
Drank 4 miller Lites so far, shit was horrid.
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Red wine from a box. Living the dream.

Gayfag here. Depraved, dirty, kinky gayfag.

Sigh.
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Grant's blended whisky. Too lazy to post a pic but belive me it's fucking awesome. And not that expensive.
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>>717996753

>"i drank a WHOLE 6 pack in one night. i'm such an alcoholic."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gV3g9LCvPc
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>>717993173
haha, I just sat down in my first AA meeting. I can't drink another fucking day. I hate my life and want to die!

see you in hell
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>>717994857
Wer bremst verliert
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>>717997111
The delirium was three weeks ago.
Of course I still drink but I won't binge for a longer period of time.
Gotta stay alive.
>>717997903
See you in hell. I've been there and...
You'll NOPE out I promise.
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>>717993173
I posted an alcoholic thread earlier and it got no traction. None of you fucks day drink?

Anyway, I'm drinking vodka as usual. Just waiting to get a little more lifted and I'll eat. Made a new year reslotuon to not drive drunk any more and so far I'm keeping to it. Got so close to a DUI 3 days before the 1st and the shit may have scared me straight. May be finally be time to attend to get anxiety medication and stop fucking drinking so much
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>>717998767
beer in the morning, wine at night.
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>>717998767
Attempt*
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>>717998767
drink moar
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>>717998868
No gay shit here please
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>>717998767
looks like a loli, would fuck
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>>717999041
lolololol suck my feet, boytoy. I'm a drunk ass faggot, and you can deal with it.
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>>717999020
You're the enabling op aren't you

This shit is nothing To be excited about
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>>717999158
Fine. This crowd is nothing if not inclusive

Still fuck off though, out of principle
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>>717993173
nothing
first weekend into my no drinking january
midnight new years eve shots dont count
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Nothing to out of the normal, good ol' Guiness Standby
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>>717999406
That I can respect. Fuck off, ya whiny bitch. But I mean, you know you're a little gay. You'd rape a tiny girly twink.
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>>717999595

Only like tiny little girls. But everyone is a little gay. Shit just has it's time and place
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>>717999969
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I never drink after I did LSD

Wasn't even my intention to quit drinking tbh
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>>717993173

Chivas Regal. Waiting for the wife to finish putting our baby to sleep. She's going to catch up with me (with some fruity brightly colored stuff) and then I'm going to duct tape a chew toy in her mouth and beat her ass with my belt while calling her a bad dog.
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>>718000075
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>>717993173
Knob Creek Bourbon. Dirt Wolf IPA.
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>>717999969
TO be fair, Id fuck a tiny little girl too.
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not drinking anything, because poor. I can go without drinking but i get super grumpy. i definitely use alcohol to deal with stress and anxiety. Im supposed to be on adhd meds but cant afford health insurance right now. when Im on my meds I only drink socially, or the occasional weekend, so i know if i could just get back on my meds it would be easier for me to stop. i would love to be drinking a Killians, or blue moon or literally anything.
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>>717993173
Home alone, drinking Jim because I'm out of dewars. At least the beers not bad. And the whippets will hold me over until I finally get the text and can go get my xanes
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>>717998767
Whats her name?
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>>718001064
Melika
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>>718000126
Post pics anon.
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>>717994310
Afraid of what? I have work at 7 am everyday and get hammered until about 2am every night. Just drink a lot of water and eat in the morning. Take aspirin if it gets really bad.
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>>717997903
See you there bud! Always dreading the day of my sobriety. That's why I quit drinking and switched to heroin for a few years. Now I drink some days and pop benzos on others to space it out. All while dabbing all day everyday. ...being sober I feel instantly suicidal or homicidal or both. Best I keep my buzz going.
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Bud and bud light ;)
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Guess I got to the thread too late :/
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>>718001973
what? I'm here
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>>717995044
That was very stupid of you not to go into a medical detox if you had that bad of a physical dependence on alcohol, you could have died. Glad you're okay though.
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>>718002089
Yeah, taper bro. Gotta taper. Learn to alcoholism.
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>>718001776
It's an issue with mental stability...
I am completely sober atm. Not suicidal but I just fapped to a girl eating a living mouse.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bbf_1474006231
I'd rather be high.
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>>718002072
Well who the fuck are you buddy? What ya drinking?
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I'm not drinking yet. About to start.

This is what I have. (1)
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I'm not drinking yet. About to start.

This is what I have. (2)
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>>718002190
I'll straight up admit it. Tapering was too tough for me. It was miserable so as long as I still had alcohol around I said "fuck it" and just kept drinking as much as it took to not feel that way anymore. I checked myself into a 5 day detox because there was no way in hell that I was going to be able to taper on my own. They loaded me up on Librium, fed me and gave me a warm bed to sleep in. Suffering was almost non existent.
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>>718002313
>>718002385
What should I drink /b/?
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>>718002257
I usually fap to girls hanging/getting hanged. But hey, we drink for a reason right? At least you can still get it up. A lot of my friends who've been in the methadone clinic for too long have lost any use of their cock aside from aiming piss. Alcohol and opioids are a bad mix. You're lucky if you're only dealing with one of them.
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>>718002431
An alcoholic beverage of your choosing
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>>718002289
I'm the one posting gay porn. Because fucking twinks is life. Second only to smelly twink feet! And red wine!

Goddamnit, I'm a mess.
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>>718002313

I see that Tito's there bra. Are you in TX?
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>>718002670
A/S/l anon? You seem kinda cool. I'm the first fag who told you to fuck off. Out of principle
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>>718002089
>>718002190
Yeah I should've seeked medical attention but I didn't want to go to rehab again (they always keep me there for 14 days).
I've had worse deliriums before (unimaginable) and it didn't even hurt that much physically.
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>>718002670
>>718002925
Guess I already know you're a guy
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>>718002940
You're a brave man. I'm way too much of a pussy to face alcohol withdrawal alone. I could never do it. They can't keep you longer than you want to be there.
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>>718002925
26 m usa. Hi first fag. How are you?
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anyone named ciaran lurking in this bitch
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when did you all know you were alcoholic?
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>>718002670
Honestly I betcha I'm more of a mess. I'd be a twink If was gay, ...and have drifted on the bi side before. Usually when drunk with my best friend who's 110% straight...
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>>718003526
Sounds about right. Cum over and I'll suck you head to toe and yeah.
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>>718003086
20 m VA here. I'm also a right mess but feeling fine this day. What state you in? How are you as well
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>>718003523
When I saw my crush and all I wanted was 15 drinks.
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>>718003778
I like her tits. Not too big.

And I'm doing swell. In PA here.
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>>718003649
You around the middlesex area of mass?
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>>718003910
If I was, I would be over in a minute. But I'm in the best state, PA.

Still, send me your crusty used socks and some sweaty jockstraps and I'll suck them clean and send them back?
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ITT a bunch of alcoholic faggots trying to hook up. This is now a drunk gay hook up thread, I guess.
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>>718003420
why? Do I know you?
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>>718004150
FUck off, we;re drunk
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>>718004395
Hey don't let me stop you. Let all that repressed homosexuality out anon. After all you're "just drunk." You're not really gay... Right?
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>>718003854
Running out of cute lolis on my phone. Good you're good. Into guns at all? Probably the only thing we can be friends over other than drinking
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>>718002662
Fuck that. I'm a helpless sheep. Tell me what to drink.
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>>717999453
>>717999565
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>>718002547
Holy cow.
>>718003075
My parents always make me stay there for 14 days for unknown reasons.
I still live with them.
They suck at parenting.
But they are wealthy.
So I have to obey.
No I won't "get a job".
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>>718004150
It's the loneliness. Why else come to this shit hole website
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>>718004091
>in the best state, PA

Oh fuck off ya cunt, MA is the best fuckin state in the country. But if ya want to exchange snapchats I'm down
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>>718004562
Rye
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>>718004596
Same here. Spoiled man child/alcoholic. Except I don't live with my folks. I still depend on them a lot.
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>>718004615
I wasn't saying anything bad about it, just pointing out the direction that I saw this thread headed in. Not a big deal, just an observation.
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drinking some jager i got as a present for christmas. Don't really like jager, but shit alcohol is alcohol. Thinking about going to the store to buy something to mix with it. Any recommendations?
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how much is drinking too much?
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>>718004998
When you have to ask that question.
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>>717993658
a butter face, but id cum on her tits
oh and btw op, im drinking guiness foreign extra stout
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>>718004615
Seriously, I have video games and tv, but that's only good for so long. Human interaction even through a shitty site like this is better than nothing

>>718004984
Mix jager? Wtf is wrong with you?
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>>718004810
>alcoholic faggots
>I wasn't saying anything bad about it
>alcoholic faggots
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6 gallons of Homebrew cider - Mangrove Jack's Apple Cider kit. Will be ready in a week.
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>>718004488
I'm a huge fag.

>>718004512
I;m from PA. Of course I like guns. I may be a flaming queer, but I have a side-by-side 12ga under my bed and a safe full of various weapons.
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>>717995785
silly anon, Auschwitz isnt real
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>>718004998
It depends on your tolerance, your gender and your weight.
Some can't drink two bottles of vodka and some can.
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>>718005141
I'm making a 5 gallon batch of coffee porter right now... thinking about making 2 1 gallon ciders. What type of ciders should I make?
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>>718005097
If you're not new to this site you've undoubtedly realized that the word "faggot" is used pretty liberally around here. Don't get flustered.
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>>718005054
i feel you, but seriously, how many times a week becomes a problem? or is it situational, like whether you're drinking alone or not
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>>718005079
i don't like the taste mang. I usually don't mix any liqour, but this shit is whack imo
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>>718005165
Dude, I'm the guy from MA. Just guns and lolis alone, I bet we could have an amazing time together. You seem like the PA version of me sans gf.
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>>718005141
interesting

what do those stoppers on top do?
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>>718005425
Then get a good beer as a chaser. Don't mix jager
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>>718002385
ive seen titos about in my area, is it any good?
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>>718005344
Do you agree that "alcoholic faggots" doesn't sound positive and encouraging?
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>>718005575
Keep contaminants out and let air pressure bubble out
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>>718005646
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Having some Masi.
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>>718005635
Txfag here. its alright not really a vodka person though. Prefer whiskey or beer. Drinking some shiner at the moment.
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>>718005323
I meant how often
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>>718005327
No clue I don't know much about them but the guy at the Homebrew store let me try a sip of his Mangrove Jack's and it was the bomb
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>>718005386
Doctors say 0,5 liters of beer at 5 days per week is okay.
I doubt you wanted to read that.
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>>718005886
I'm thinking along the lines of making some kind of cider with fruit, like a strawberry apple cider or some shit
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>>717993173
I'm checking myself into a 90 day program on Tuesday. Drinking 1/2 liter to a full liter of vodka everyday for the past 8 years is starting to do some serious damage to my body and I have to fucking stop.
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>>718004984
Freeze it like a normal human being.
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>>718005646
Well it's an "alcoholic" thread, on a board where everybody calls eachother faggots on a daily basis... So I guess I didn't read into it as deeply as you obviously are. It frustrates me that you feel like I've insulted you when it wasn't my intention. So I guess I apologize for offending you?
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>>718005974
Sounds good, or the classic apple cinnamon, maybe add some nutty flavor?
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>>718005912
i usually get through 18 beers every 3-5 days drinking alone, not necessarily drinking daily, plus going out with friends for drinks,shots etc
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>>718005592
I don't really like beer haha, I usually mix it with orange juice whenever i drink it
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>>718006418
Than gtfo of this thread faggot
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>>718006126
You didn't offend me. It's okay. You are right after all.
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>>718005165
>Side by side 12 gauge for home defense
If your shotgun can't hold at least 5+1 it's not combat worthy. I'm a tactical Ted/EDC nut/prepper fag and such matters as the safety of your family and your sovereignty should be taken more seriously than grand dad's dove gun.
We're done here anon. Have fun with your boy pussy

You should take your life and liberty weapons more seriously. Especially if you live within city limits
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>>718005386
Not necessarily how much you drink. It's the reasons why you're drinking. Are you using alcohol regularly to avoid problems or isolate yourself from reality? Because that's a red flag for alcoholism or at the very least problem drinking. Or, for instance, if you HAVE to have a set amount of drinks at night in order to be able to even sleep. If you're using it to self medicate then it's a problem. If you're using it as a social lubricant and just drinking a little too much lately, that's a different story and it's pretty normal. If you think you're hitting it too heavy, slow down or take a break.
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>>718006813
he might live alone, but those valid points.
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>>718006813
So you're saying because he doesn't have the "right" gun he's fucked? I can bet, no gun, is worse than a gun. At least he's got home defense. Even if it isnt against the FEMA camp round up Alex jones gov. Get real man.
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>>718006923
using it alone for multiple reasons, along with using it for social reasons. I drink socially like once or twice a week, but drink alone for multiple reasons throughout the week
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>>718006053
Dude, I think you might have a little problem there.
In 2013 I drank as much as you.
Then the anxiety got chronic.
Rehab is a good idea for sure.
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>>718006053
Glad you're getting help anon. Best of luck, you can beat this if you really want to.
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>>718007176
In that case, it's something to keep an eye on. Is it causing problems at work or at home? You've probably just gotten into a bit of a bad drinking habit. Happens all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean alcoholism. Just keep an eye on it and cut back if you feel like it's interfering with your responsibilities.
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I'm not alchole
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>>718007418
If it helps, im underage for drinking where im from,still live with parents, but drink at home whenever i have the money to buy and can drink without being disturbed. I also go out with friends, usually older, get as fucked up as possible
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>>718006679
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
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I have access to five bottles of beer but I don't drink them because they wouldn't be enough.
Am I an alcoholic?
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>>718007689
Pretty normal when you're that young. Don't let it become a crutch. There are lots of young people with unhealthy drinking habits, it doesn't mean they're "alcoholics." It'll even out as you get older and get tired of feeling shitty all the time. You'd be surprised how lethargic and depressed regular drinking actually makes you feel.
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>>718007689
That's how it started for me.
I'd say you are definitely at risk.
Watch your drinking or you'll regret it. A lot.
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>>718007159
The best gun period is the one you have/have on you, but if you shouldn't depend on something suboptimal
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>>718007855
Not a great sign.
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>>718008017
That's true as well. Just know that drinking a lot when you're that young is like playing Russian roulette. It may even itself out as you get older or you may find yourself in a place where you don't want to be. But it's a personal choice and no one can figure that out but you.
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>>718007955
Diagnosed with depression, don't talk to anyone about it because it makes me feel like a bitch, won't tell my friends, only people who know are my parents and my brother, and i guess anyone they told, when things get too much, i drink until i pass out, have done for the past like 8 months to a year, idk, memory is fucked lately, im not able to recall the past few weeks or even days, i drink when it gets too much, i dont tell anyone. I drink a lot, my tolerance is far higher than any of my friends. If i go 2 or 3 days without drinking i dont feel right, everything becomes messy.
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>>718002313
what a shitty fucking collection omfg
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>>718008612
honestly thank you for any help or advice, i don't speak to anyone about it, i hide it
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>>718008680
Yeah what you're describing sounds like the beginning of a dark descent into full blown alcoholism. You probably should seek help. Talk to someone you trust about it. When you said you drank a lot, I figured you'd drink at house parties and maybe crush a six pack every night. Not what you just described. Reading that frightened me a little bit.
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>>718008680
Drinking to black out is a bad sign. When you black out its because of something called "intracranial bleeding," which is what happens when blood vessels burst in your brain from drinking too much, and this causes synapses to misfire, which is what causes the black out state.
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>>718008986
it's more drink as much as i can 3-4 times a week, on top of going out, thank you for your advice, i don't want to go to a friend, i don't want to go to family, idk what to do, my head is fucked, i don't feel right
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Thought I might have an alcohol problem and reading these stories makes me think that I don't lol
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>>718009441
Well I wish I could help more bro, but it's all up to you. I only ask that you keep an eye on it, because you obviously know it's not healthy for you. Try to see to it that it doesn't get worse.
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>>717993173
Schooner gets you there sooner bud.
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>>718009995
Of course I know it's an issue like, im aware that i shouldnt be doing what i am, but it's the least of my worries, its a way to deal with how i feel
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>>718009322
I didn't know that.
How am I still alive?
I blacked out far more than a thousand times. I've had day long blackouts.
>>718009441
That's maybe a really bad advice:
Use another drug instead(!) of alcohol.
I do this from time to time and I think it helps me staying (more or less) fresh.
Flip a molly, smoke a blunt. Shit's dope.
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>>718010170
In reality it's just procrastinating and setting your problems aside. They'll still be there when you sober up. It's not a real solution to anything.
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>>718009322
That's not at all what happens, too much alcohol affects how the hippocampus works, which is involved in making new memories.
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>>718010339
I'm aware of this, get to this realization everytime i wake up hungover
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>>718010328
i've tried using other things before, other than bud, i don't find it as satisfying, and alcohol is easier to hide, that matters when living with parents etc
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>>718005809
ah, ill stick to my potato vodka then
snowstorm treating you well?
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>>718006813
Lol if you can't get it done in two shots of buckshot, you're a rip roaring idiot.
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>>718010170
>im aware that i shouldnt be doing what i am
>>718008017
>you'll regret it. A lot.
>>718010787
You fuck with your GABA receptors. No one likes to have fucked up GABA receptors. Speaking from experience.
I have no good advice left. Only bad:
Pregabalin is probably less harmful than opiates or benzos.
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>>718011782
Phenibut is pretty cool too.
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>>718012255
I'll get me some.
Maybe it'll prevent a delirium, thus saving me from eternal suffering.
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>>718001474
wtf do you do and how do you function?
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>>718002313
water and go to bed. none of that is worth the damage it will inflict
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>>718012681
It's pretty awesome stuff man, will definitely help. Also kava Works wonders. Not the shitty capsules you get at whole foods but actual ground kava root which you can find online. I've had some very fun kava-drunk nights.
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>>718012890
Hopefully he isn't a brain surgeon.
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>>718012890
I did the same as a mason.
Fat meal right after work, then drink a bottle of gin along with bong rips till blackout somewhere near 1 am.
I honestly don't know how I functioned but I did.
Good nutrition and lots of exercise I guess.
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>>717995044
I drink heavy on fridays and saturdays. Sometimes even 3 times a week. Do I risk getting DT or the shakes or do you have to be drunk for like 3-5+ days straight?
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>>718013752
No you're not risking dt's. But you're definitely not doing your liver any favors.
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>>718013752
You have to be drunk for 3-5+ days straight AND drink heavy (blackout) every day for months.
The shakes and anxiety AKA physical dependence come way before a delirium.
You're in the clear.
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>>718013912
How long would you have to drink to get DT or the shakes?? I want to never experience this stuff lol.
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>>717993173

11pm here... Milwaukee's Best Ice. Yeah, it has shit flavor, but it's cheap and it'll fuck you up. You can't even tell how bad it tastes after you pick up a strong buzz. Pic unrelated
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>>718014133
It started happening to me after drinking heavily every night (15-20 units). It started with mild shakes and really bad anxiety so to curb that I would go to the store as soon as it opened, buy two bottles of wine, go home and drink them as fast as possible to pass out. Sleep all day, and repeat. It got to the point where if I didn't time my next drink perfectly, or have backups in my fridge, that I would start sweating and shaking like a queer at a weenie roast. My voice would be trembling, I'd be grinding my teeth and I couldn't hold something without risking breaking it. Also couple that with crippling anxiety and paranoia.
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>>718014444
Oh also, dry heaving/puking up sour mucus or bile or whatever that shit was. Also, chek'd
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