>Every state's electoral college votes go to the winner

>>717893388
Not only that.
>It takes a simple majority to win electoral votes
>If California had a simple 51-49 majority of votes, it would award the same as if it had a 99-1 result.
>Yet people continue to use the "Muh popular vote argument"

JUST

https://youtu.be/OUS9mM8Xbbw

>>717893388
because you're voting for the president of the federal government- something that rules over all people, not just individual states which the college serves

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>Pepe the frog is somehow still racist and anyone who posts it gets criticized even though the majority of the internet knows it isn't true.

WHY ISN'T ANYONE DOING ANYTHING.

It is possible for a candidate to not get a single vote in 38/50 states (plus DC) and still win the election.....Something wrong about that picture.

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>>717893666
satan

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>>717893630
>If we were basing elections on popular vote, only Texas, Cali, NY and maybe Florida would be necessary
>More democratic than our current system.
Like, we all learned about the electoral college and its origins in the 8th grade, do people just not recall or is it just because its inconvenient?

>>717893388
It was sad to see Nevada and Virginia fall to the marxist scourge.

>>717893855
And right now, Ohio, North Carolina, Flordia, and Wisconsin are the only ones necessary....whats the difference?

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>Obama: The election cannot be hacked
>Obama: RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTION

WHY THE FUCK IS 1984 HAPPENING IN FRONT OF MY EYES.

>>717893630

>>717893388

California decides to let Illegals vote by saying no proof of ID is required because of "da disenfranchised voter". NY won't purge dead from their voting records. San Fran, well they are full of faggots so who cares about them.

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>>717893388
Electoral college is bust but OH BOY AT LEAST YOU AIN'T BRITISH

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>>717894014
The difference is that those states are never consistently blue or red. California and NY are always blue no matter what, so guess who we'd have in power most of the time?
At least in our current situation, the candidates are forced to talk to those people who are decent representatives of the average man in america.

>>717894103
Source on that?

>>717894042
>>717893388
>Rigged the election by exposing how many laws they broke..
Liberals actually believe this.

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>X lives matter.
>Focusing on meme slogans instead of real world solutions.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717894244
Thats what I am saying though. Why should swing states be inherently more important? Just because they are swing states? Why do states matter at all? Who cares where a person is from? This whole notion of "boo hoo california is too important" is silly

>>717894254
>>717893388

No source , just using it as an example. Liberals already think people should be able to vote without having to prove who they are.

I get it, but it's a shitty, outdated way and in no way is it a democracy.

Your single vote more or less doesn't matter. Anyone saying otherwise is a dingus.

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>>717894458
How is it silly? Living in california is not the same as living in kentucky or kansas or any other state. California has its own shit to deal with and Texas and the midwest states have their own shit to deal with. What you are saying is basically to put one state over all the others and disregard the others needs? Fucking cityfolk don't know what it's like to live in the country and vice versa. Giving control to city folk is to completely disregard half of the country. Do you hate democracy? Is that what it is?

>>717894482
I've never heard of any of that and I can't find a good source for it. Sorry it's just new to me.

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>>717894932
It's traditional politics that liberals don't want voter ID laws and republicans do. Liberals argue that the poor man cannot afford a $30 fee and a few hours at the DMV so it's unconstitutional to prove who you are to vote, whereas apparently it's racist to ask for an ID according to Liberals.

The whole thing is pretty stupid really, you need an ID to do half of the good stuff in this country.

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>Liberals offended at teapot.

FUCKING WHYYYYYYYYYY

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>Media in war against Trump
>Trump continues on.
>Media reeees

Is the situation hopeless?

>>717894778
It would be nice if people in the US had a way of electing people to the federal government in a place based on the amount of people in their state and also to a place that each state gets the same amount so that the states views are represented wouldn't it?

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>>717895482
HELL FUCKING YEAH.
>Bicameral Legislature

So why are people complaining?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>717895116
I'm a liberals and I've never hear this from the left maybe tumblr SJW fags but no one that matters.

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>>717895846
Dude, I seriously just googled "Voter ID Laws" and went to "NEWS" and it's all over the place.


Are you trolling or do you just not pay attention to politics?

>>717896205
>Voter ID Laws
I see a few about Iowa but nothing legit about any thing else
. Maybe google prioritizing things but I'm not seeing what you are.

>>717893388
I voted for Bill Weld. Oh, and Gary Johnson, I suppose.

>>717896205
Liberals don't 'not want voter ID laws' they don't want some of the news ones that will hurt a number of legitimate voters, also voter impersonation's effect on elections is basically negligible

>>717894244
How is less than the majority considered the "average?"

>>717897050
That's a good point
>>717897049
I can even think of a good way to determent "voter impersonation's effect on elections" if the ones they know about got caught and there for had no effect.

>>717897498
people who know far more than you are I make educated estimates, the odds of them being wrong by several magnitudes isn't enough to justify some of the regulations potentially being pushed

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>>717893388
the founding fathers didn't trust the average joe fuck citizen so they figured they'd entrust an elite educated few to make the final call


except the system has backfired. electors aren't handpicked elite super-citizens. they're all party picked hacks who toe the party line.

either we take the process of choosing electors out of the hands of parties, or we scrap the system entirely, as its become compromised.

>>717897928
Ah I see so trust the experts I got it. Uh so I think if they where so smart they could at least try to release their study like most other scientific studies done but hey what do I know?

>>717894042
The claim the intelligence community is making is that the Russian government hacked the DNC's computer systems as well as the state election systems of a few states. Additionally, it has become clear that Russia was sponsoring a propaganda campaign aimed at undermining Clinton and bolstering Trump's bid for the presidency.

No one is claiming Donald Trump won the election through voter fraud. No one is claiming Russia caused or accomplished mass voter fraud and turned the election.

You can't rig an election in the United States. But you can get enough people to believe lies through misinformation.

Russians influenced how many people voted. A foreign power meddled with an American election. You should be horrified and angry.

>>717898421
ah I see you don't trust experts and rely on your own basic understanding for everything, completely disregarding the backbone of humanity's success

>>717893388
>my vote is worth more than your vote because there are less people living in my empty state
>because states vote
>instead of people
>and this is sensible in a form of government designed to represent the will of the people (not the will of states), by and for the people (not the states).

Niggers, people need to elect the president, regardless of where they live.

>hillary tho
idgaf about hitlery or trump

>>717893388
California one vote = 4 votes Wisconsin.

So because someone lives in a more populated place, they get 1/4 the say. Literally the exact definition of not democracy.

>>717898779
No I don't trust experts who don't like trying to explain them selfs. That sounds like faith and religion not science.

>>717893388
The only way republicans can take power at this point is by being appointed by entrenched party leadership, not by being elected by the people.

So be glad that for the moment, we still allow this to continue. Without it your backward, outdated worldview is just another idiotic minority special interest to be laughed off.

Increasingly so with each passing generation.

>>717899033
it means that a candidate has to try and appeal to a state's demographic even if they aren't that populous

think less blind equality, more trying not to leave people in the dust

>>717894103
I'm a republican living in California and I even think you're full of shit

>>717899033
As a Wisconsin resident, I appreciate the sentiment, electoral college, but it's bullshit. We aren't 4x smarter or 4x more informed voters. We're just as fucked as the rest of you, and our votes should be counted nationally, in a national election, for national leadership.

>>717899418
>>717895482
So everyone else should shouldn't progress because others won't keep up? I don't know if that's what you are implaying but n-no...

The autism in this thread is astounding.

>>717899418

Isn't that precisely the argument for affirmative action?

>>717899365
>we still allow
LOLOL! Powerless pretentious ass

>>717899365
If I hear another Republican Congressman say "the people have spoken" and "the people of this country elected us to produce results!" and "the people elected us on a mandate to blah blah blah"

I'm going to fucking start showing up in person reminding these fuckwits that the people did not elect them at all, and just because they got in through electoral jiggery-pokery, does not mean the country is behind them abusing absolute power and running the whole fucking ship of state aground.

On the other hand, doesn't matter, because they have only 2 years to fuck up as much as possible before getting thrown the fuck out in the next election, and the more they trash the place, the more decisive that election and those coming after it will be.

>>717899954
no, you're really clutching at straws on that one
>>717899997
I suppose it is in a way, I'm not saying it's a perfect argument but in the case of elections a simple majority vote system would make targeting anyone outside of a city essentially pointless

>>717897049
This is as idiotic as saying that no one died of cancer before there were any tests to verify the presence of cancer. If there are no meaningful tools to check the prevalence, you cannot assume that the incidence rate is inconsequential.

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>>717898718
I am horrified and angry.
I'm angry that the democrats rigged the election against bernie
I'm angry that Donna gave Clinton the debate questions ahead of time
I'm angry that Clinton has a history of lying and being an overall pandering candidate that had nothing to run on other than "I'm not Trump"

If you think exposing truth is rigging, then I don't know what to tell you.

>>717900139
You realize we've changed nearly every detail of the electoral system repeatedly and constantly over the lifetime of this country.

This shit continues because it's only gone against the will of the people a few times. Unfortunately for you, two of those transgressions have occurred nearly in a row. If it continues to be this dysfunctional, (which there's every indication it will have to be, for your increasingly unpopular party to take power) it will eventually be replaced. It's only a matter of time. Enjoy it while you've got it.

After that, we can spit the Dems in at least the 3 incompatible separate factions they're comprised of currently and get some actual options in this country.

>>717900631
I'm not trying to I just can't understand what you men by "more trying not to leave people in the dust"

>>717900902
Okay, when the democrats win next election, let's do it then. See if they're up for it.

>>717894103
and in north carolina and wisconsin republicans have made it essentially illegal for poor, black, and young people to vote, and even when they let them vote they use gerrymandering to prevent all non-statewide elections, like congressional and state legislative elections, from being competitive

>>717900698
>>717899265
Apparently just have faith because the experts say so I guess. That's basically the answer I got.

>>717894416
>Argentina is white
Pretty spot on asshole.

>>717900733
>Donna Brazile

is an American author and political analyst. She is a member of the Democratic Party, briefly served as the interim chairperson for the Democratic National Committee in spring 2011, and assumed that role again in July 2016.

She was the first African American to direct a major presidential campaign, acting as campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000. She has also worked on several presidential campaigns for Democratic candidates, including Jesse Jackson and Walter Mondale–Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, and for Dick Gephardt in the 1988 Democratic primary.

Why in the FUCK is the person with that track record in charge of anything???

Holy fuck, its been hard enough corralling the dem vote together (hence the "herding cats" phrase), trying to do it with a 7 time loser at the helm... what a surprise hillary lost her ass.

>>717901092
Source on this?

>>717901496
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-08-18/wisconsin-and-north-carolina-voter-id-laws-suppress-votes

>>717901092
>Wisconsin

Realize we had a record low turnout for this vote at all. When presented with such horrendous choices, the two least popular candidates in the recorded history of elections, most voters stayed home, and a very tiny sliver of (unfortunately for you) trump fanatics bothered to go out and vote at all.

The majority vote was not for Trump, it was for "no confidence". Trumps shit hasn't gotten any more popular since the election.

>>717901026
if you only need half the votes and well over the half the votes come from demographic A, then why bother paying attention to demographic B, C and D. Making their votes more powerful means you have to pay attention to, in theory, everyone

>>717900733
The whole fbi infestation thing was shady timing especially the reopening of the case. In fact the whole reopening thing was shadey

>>717901779
young people and poor people and minority people (oftentimes two or three of these overlap) move a lot more and work hourly jobs more, which means that their IDs which remain valid for other stuff (moving doesn't make your driver's license invalid - you don't get a ticket for that) but these laws make those documents invalid for voting purposes, meaning people have to take time off of work to visit a govt office that is usually only open during normal business hours to update their info, and often require a cost to do these things. this disenfrancises a lot of people. then republicans often pass laws to make it harder for college kids who otherwise would be considered residents and citizens of the state they go to school in to be eligible to vote in that state. this also disenfranchises lots of people.

>>717901886
I don't see how that's leaving people in the dust but again why does this not cover it.
>>717895482

Fuck trump in his pussy little ass. Hopefully he'll enjoy being Putin's bitch.

>>717902251
sorry this was meant as a reply to
>>717901496

>>717901952
Maybe she shouldn't have such incompetent staff who puts "Password" as their password.

>>717901779
Thank God at least one person in thread isn't allergic to give a source.

>>717902307
>>717902251
>>717901779
>>717901879
>>717901496
in person voter fraud is essentially not a thing. the closest election in 2014 was decided by like 1000 votes, which means to swing that election you'd have to get like 1500 people to participate in some sort of scheme to vote more than once or to buy their votes - assuming they wouldn't have voted for you anyway already. the idea that something like this would work without being discovered is preposterous. it's ridiculous and not even worth considering. but this irrational fear is used to justify blatantly racist shit like voter ID laws and purges of the voter rolls that disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of people in some states and millions of people around the country every year, in addition to discouraging lots more people from even attempting to vote at all. it's madness and a power grab.

>>717902251
We should have universal, federally-provided voter ID's, similar to Social Security cards. It would do away with all of the bullshit from both sides on voter validity.

>>717902721
agreed. and the voting procedures and systems should be uniform. election day should be a holiday or over the course of a weekend. we can and should update lots of this stuff.

>>717893388
The memes on this thread....

>>717902251
>>717902637
Huh that's interesting and a good point. The write in vote system is fucked too I think a lot of collage kids votes didn't count because of problems related to it.

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>>717902958
Here have some more

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>>717893388
The states popular vote doesnt go the the electoral college. They literally can vote for anybody

>>717893388
It's not about the fairness of the electoral college voting for the majority of the votes from the state, it's about the distribution of electors per state which is completely inappropriate for our modern society. It used to be that rural America had a harder time registering and getting to the poles because of lack of access to polling places. With the ease of access to personal transportation and wide spread urban sprawling it is now a moot argument. Popular vote ensures that elections like this last one with +3 million votes for Clinton actually result in what the majority of voters want. Not what a dozen or so states want.

>>717895607
>image

fucking liberals i swear

>>717903532
>Majority of democrats live in areas with high populations
>High populations would determine elections
>Republicans disenfranchised
>Fair

Liberal plz.

>>717903690
So densely populated areas should be handicapped? Again I just said that nearly everyone, including the racist redneck fucks in bfe have the same access to polls as anyone else. 1 person = 1 vote.

>>717903885
Wow, how ironic. That would make the republicans the minority. Are you saying we should disregard minorities?

MOTHERFUCKING LIBERAL LOGIC. HOLY SHIT

>>717903532
So people in Wyoming, or Idaho, should have their votes completely negated by huge population centers, like Los Angeles or Chicago? Keeping in mind, the the USA is a collection of states, not one big population. You already have a number of House seats proportional to the population of each state. If you get rid of the EC, are you willing to get rid of the House of Representatives? Or would you be OK with basically having double the power of the smaller states?

>>717893855
The idea of 1 person 1 vote is in conflict with the electoral college.

I'm in favor of the electoral college to give small populations more of a voice at the price of greater representation.

>>717903690
>completely unfamiliar with the fucking counterarguments to his idiotic ideas
>even though they've been posted in every god damn thread on this shit since the 1700s
>including this one
>just an endless supply of born-yesterday faggots piping in to say "but then populous states would overpower us, and wahhh".
>therefore stack the vote
>winner takes all
>districting & redistricting and gerrymandering
>corporations are people
>unlimited spending buying congress and senate
>judges too bc fuck it why not
>some citizens votes are worth more than others
>red, uneducated, less productive, welfare-states have more say dictating policy than the blue, educated, industrious, solvent states.
>but we're gods chosen ppl, and deserve to dictate policy to the rest of you
>but don't call it entitlement when we do it

Republicant plz

>>717904742
Hey fam, I'm just calling it out for what it is.
I never said republicans were god tier, but you fucking democrats act like you're god like and you're right and everyone is wrong.

THIS IS WHY MUTHAFUCKNIG TRUMP WON.

>>717904133
The fuck is wrong with you? 1 vote = 1 person is fair. It's not liberals fault that the majority of the population isn't Republican. If Republican ideaology is so much better for everyone, then why do they struggle in cities? Adapt to the 21st century where intelligent, educated people gather in the cities or GTFO of my country!

>>717904133
>>717895482
Why isn't this enough.
Also we want to pander and bend fully to the whim of minorities.

MOTHERFUCKING REPUBLICAN LOGIC. HOLY SHIT.

>>717905020
>intelligent educated people gather in the cities

>>717904742
You see this shit fam? You see this! D:<

>>717904133
>>717905045
Samefag.

>>717904742
>complains about spending in elections when his candidate just spent over a billion
>complains about PACs when his party has been using them at the same rate
>complains about corporations but doesn't mention union spending, govt grants to "community groups"
>loses bigly and wants to change the rules
>doesn't complain about the huge numbers advantage larger states have in the House of Representatives
>thinks gerrymandering, now being used to great effect by the other party, was an invention of his party

>>717905020
>educated people gather in the cities

So do the poorest and least educated. Go ahead, tell us how your small enclave of "highly educated" outnumber the poor, uneducated minorities in these huge cities.

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>>717901092
(((Republicans)))

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>>717905173
I am flatter you think so.

>>717893388
idgaf, I am just enjoying the HELL out of the newfound bold confidence of obnoxious idiots and drunks in bars that can't wait to tell total strangers loud and proud how great they just know Trump is going to be, while everyone with a fucking job, and a fucking family, and a fucking education, whether dem or republican, grumbles about what an utter fucking shitshow this all is.

There's nothing like being told all about how great the political landscape is about to get by people who in the next breath reveal they have a 2nd grade childs level of ignorance of how this countries government functions or its role in the world. Man, it's everywhere I go. One loud trumpfag, and I just agree with them let them just run with it, and everyone else in earshot looks like they ate bad cheese.

If you're a trumptard, you're a tiny, tiny, tiny fringe minority of an already unpopular party. Now is the time to stand up and shout it, and let everyone else around you know what a retard you are, thinking yours is a popular position and not immediately incriminating of being a shitty person. It's pretty funny.

>>717905173
>>717905643

Why did you think we where the same person?

>>717905020
You are confusing the US with a democracy. It's not - it is a representative constitutional republic.

>>717904865
I think you're overgeneralizing a bit here. I mainly am around and friends with right wingers, and I listen to what they have to say without automatically disregarding them. Just had a talk with a good friend the other day about nuclear energy. He's for building a fuckton more nuclear power, and I actually agree with him. Shocking isn't it? I'm also for the right for individuals to bear arms (within reason). Crazy how you could meet people who don't necessarily fit your description of a liberal cuckfag or whatever you say.

>>717905643
Dafuq kinda shitty GUI do you have?

>>717894932

>>717894103
Tbh, i've been hearing this for a while and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Classic, liberals can't let a republican into office because beign a nationalist is now considered being a racist.

>>717904395
For fucks sake, we are in the 21st century. You can do amazing shit with modern technology. Maybe Republicans should stop hiding in the middle of nowhere and actually participate in our modern society.

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>>717893666
>Wendy's is turning to meme magic
J U S T
U
S
T

>>717906031
Linux cairo docks looks bad but does the job. I'll pretty it up at some point. If you have any linux tips I'm all ears.

>>717906165
Who the fuck would want to?

>>717904649
Greater representation for a small group of people living in bfe while maybe, just maybe, it's possible for them to just fucking adapt to the new millennium that started 17 years ago. It's not as if they can't be in cities as well. They have equal access and equal opportunity to do what everyone else has or does. Fuck off with the handicapping bullshit and allow the majority of the people to determine our destiny.

>>717905267
-my candidate spend about a thousand dollars, you retard
-my party doesn't use PACs
-didn't mention them because they're not relevant while I'm skewering you and your shitty party
-my party wasn't going to win no matter what
-the rules have been deeply flawed since they were laid down and have been changed countless times -already and need to be improved again, regardless of who wins
-already addressed it, if you'd ever read a single counterargument to your bullshit you'd know that
-my party neither invented gerrymandering nor has ever taken part in it

>if ur not in my party u must be a democrat tho
>states
>parties
>factions
>consolidation of power
>muh primitive power heirarchy
>death to democratic representation

while youre busy being part of the problem, go fuck yourself in your tribal groupthink ass you stupid ape.

>>717906469
So, democracy as long as you live in the city, right?

>>717905719
Still stings that we won, doesn't it?

>>717895248
Fucking hell, is that real?

>>717905462
The poor and uneducated voted for Trump this round. Traditionally Republicans salivate over getting the votes of minorities. Depending on who minorities vote for results in the losers of that demographic bitching and moaning about either how unfair it is how they vote, or how stupid they are.

>>717893666
satan be damned. lost

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>>717893666
>>717906271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9o6krTi5rA

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>>717895248
>You can't make this shit up

>>717906740
>fox news
>real

>>717906081
no, being a nationalist is considered being a nationalist.

there's
sexists
racists
and underneath those, at the bottom of the barrel,
nationalists

the party that can't tell the difference between patriotism and nationalism, hey congrats, you've been the bane of human civilization for 5000 years, and you haven't learned a fucking thing in all this time. you're shit m8

>>717906905
>news
>any mainstream media
>real
FTFY

>>717905020
Is that why most liberal cities have some of the largest debts? The reason many people vote liberal is because the liberals have attached the poor to a program. Look at Obamacare. Obama has effectively gained 20 million Democrat supporters while fucking over the middle class. They HAVE to vote in favor of it or lose those benefits that are fucking over everyone else.


You fucking idiot.

>>717906165
What the fuck does that have to do with anything in my post? We are a collection of states. We are not one big population. Once we're one big population, will California and New York adopt Texas' open carry laws? How about Ohio's or Oklahoma's fracking regulations? Or will Missoula, Montana have to adopt Seattle's minimum wage requirement? of course not, because each state is a separate entity, and should be treated as such. Electoral College is key to this concept.

>>717906984
You got me there.

>>717906731
You're asking a liberal republican.

So no, not really.

>>717905923
Technically correct, except that for the most part people refer to America as the world's democracy.

>>717906789
Uh, no. In the huge population centers, the poorest, least educated vote Dem at a 90%+ clip.

>>717907003
>>717895482
Tell me why this doesn't cover it.

>>717907140
For the most part, people are fucking retarded. That thing guy you quoted is surely more accurate, but we are plain and simply a republic.

Democratic, in this context(democratic republic) is more descriptive than systematic.

>>717895116
Gotta have an ID to get any government assistance or become a w2 employee.

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>>717907003
>We are a collection of states. We are not one big population.

Perhaps you missed the part where the election was a national election for a fucking national president for the entire national population.

You know, the part where the federal government is by and for the people, not the states, and is a representative democracy because it represents the will of the people, not the states...

you fucking nincompoop

>>717907002
You mean fucking over the minority of people in the country? Why should the majority give a shit about what slightly inconveniences you? You Republicans are hypocrites who blow everything out of proportion while at the same time using fear to cram your bullshit down the throats of those who don't know any better. Who's to blame for the economy? Obama and the illegal immigrants. Who's our enemy? Islam and refugees from Syria. Russia indiscriminately shelling cities in Syria killing not only terrorists but innocent civilians? They suddenly need to be our best friends despite having recently invaded the sovereignty of Georgia and Ukraine. Hillary's campaign is the most decisive campaign ever? What about Trump and his supporters wanting to lock up the candidate for more than half of the electorate of this country? Nope she's obviously more divisive. I could keep going and going.

>>717905923
The US itself is a federal republic.
A federal republic is a form of representative democracy.
There are many types and variations on representative democracies.
You can be russia and hold a public election and call it a representative democracy, even when it means nothing more than lip service to democracy. You can be the US and hold one election anyone votes in, once every four years, for the same two parties, that represent the same bipartisan consensus, with only minor differences of little consequence, decided by spending, legitimize corruption across the board, and still call it democratic, even though the thought of an actual democracy scares the shit out of you and everyone in the country really wants it to be a one party state, so long as its their party, when the founding fathers declared early that the nation dividing into political factions would destroy the spirit and execution of democracy in the country irreversibly and plunge it into war and bankruptcy and permanent chaos and tried like hell to prevent it from happening.

Being a representative democracy doesn't preclude you from being a republic, or a communist state, or imply you're an actual democracy. Or good. Or going to survive the stupidity of your people.

>>717907542
Perhaps you missed the part where each state is allocated a certain number of electors? You know why? Because, once again, the United States of America is a collection of 50 individual states, all with their own laws, boundaries, economies, cultures, ethics, etc... We are not one big population. We are a collection of states, each with their own identity. The federal government does have general laws that govern trade, regulate the economy and provide infrastructure that is good for the entire population. Additionally, we have one common military as protection, though, as I'm sure you know, they do not operate outside of federal jurisdiction, as each state has it's own military force, not affiliated with the federal military. I say all this in hopes that you realize, finally, that each state is separate and unique, not part of some huge population.

>>717908318
>Why should the majority give a shit about what slightly inconveniences you

Oh you really shouldn't have said that. They 9/10 will just call you a hypocrite and then ask why to libels care so much about minority blah blah blah.

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>>717907002
>liberal mooches

>>717907542
>>717908620
>Perhaps you missed the part where the election was a national election for a fucking national president for the entire national population

Additionally, it was also an election for federal representatives for both houses of congress, dipshit. President is merely 1/3 of your representation.

>>717907364
Wouldn't it be nice if political candidates didn't just spend 90% of the time in a handful of states? There would be much more incentive for them to actually go to more of the country than ignoring a large portion of the US.

>>717908724
That's funny but highly out dated

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>>717902299
>Fuck trump in his pussy little ass. Hopefully he'll enjoy being Putin's bitch.

I kinda miss October when you faggots were saying Trump was going to start a nuclear war with Russia.

I've written a book on this subject. It's three bucks on Amazon but I'll send a free pdf to any anon who wants it.

>>717908780
And what system are you purposing to do that.
Both here have that happen anyways just one has a few more state.

>>717908765
>implying anyone votes for the reps

Niggers, either no one votes for the house & senate, or no one knows how to vote.

You had, quantified, the least popular congress in history, with the lowest approval rating ever recorded amongst the american people, for 6 straight years of declining numbers. What did those very same american people do on election day? Voted for the congress they hated to... keep their jobs.

lol

voting works great!

>>717907377
refugees get benefits through claims
you get in illegally live off crime for a bit then suckle the teet of freedom and do more crime

>>717908974
>Implying he can't do both
>Implying that isn't what Putin wants

>>717908318
hilary beat obama in popular vote when she ran against him

popular vote dosent mean shit you dumb nigger

>>717908911
yeah it's from a couple elections ago

some of those states have shifted around a bit

>>717908698
I'm a liberal. I just want fair and equal access and opportunity to all. Does that mean I have a blow up doll of an illegal Mexican immigrants that I make sweet love to every night? No. Do I think we should have a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country? Fuck no. It goes against our values as a society and denies equal access and opportunity to potential immigrants who otherwise can contribute to our society. I'm not a fucking Care Bear who cried for every illegal that gets deported. Let's be clear here: they are here illegally after all we are a sovereign nation and it is important that we maintain a border. I do think that the right tends to jump to conclusions which are more or less offensive, immoral and inhumane however.

>>717909181

its pretty well established that everyone hates congress but loves their congressman.

>>717909181
>You had, quantified, the least popular congress in history, with the lowest approval rating ever recorded amongst the american people, for 6 straight years of declining numbers

What you fail to understand is everybody hates congress as a whole, but ask them if they like their own congressman and most will say yes. Poll results of Congress has nothing to do with how each member would poll in his/her district or state. It's completely meaningless. It's a problem that will only ever be solved by term limits.

>>717908318
It's funny you think every Republican believes in these things. Yes, health insurance premiums doubling on the working American is a problem. Enslaving millions of poor Americans under a program is not the fucking answer you retard. Medicaid/care and SS are the biggest fucking wastes and are holding this nation back.

Russia should of been eliminated immediately following WWII before they had the opportunity to build anything back up. Though, I'm not sure how you're going to bring up Russia shelling cities when we've been throwing drone strikes in the ME like it's candy. That doesn't seem to be a problem as long as the boldest letters in the headline are "1 target killed". Or the fact gitmo is still opened after making promises to close it.

Hillary's campaign WAS divisive. She literally had her followers calling the working class of America racist, bigoted, misogynists. I'll let a liberal explain to you why she lost https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs

Far right Republicans are just as cancerous as far left Democrats. I hate the "hur dur we need mur god in our lives" just as much as anyone else. But I also hate big government and throwing everyone on government assistance. That is NOT the way forward.

>>717909181
People don't vote so it's not important? What... Maybe if people stopped thinking the president does all or it doesn't matter, hings would change.

>>717908974
Trump's going to bomb North Korea. Then the shitstorm that follows will cause him to nuke pyonyang, then several strategic locations in Iran, Then tehran, then the south China Sea, then we lol as Chinkistan and da Ruskies nuke most of our naval assets, foreign bases followed by a smooth creamy finish of levelled washington DC.

>>717909491
Not even sure what you guys are discussing exactly, but just scrolled past this and almost didn't read it. Well formatted and well said.

>>717909306

> Does that mean I have a blow up doll of an illegal Mexican immigrants that I make sweet love to every night?

Holy fuck I can't stop laughing at this statement.

>>717909298
Now you're just being retarded.

>>717909383
>>717909917
Same here I was just pointing out the thing they will attack and think they won.

>>717894244
>>717897050
I'm thinking the same thing. Anon didn't think that through.

>>717909771
You say that like it's a BAD thing.

>>717909901
How people confuse libertarians for far right republicans.

>>717909639
None of those were points i made, or would have made, and your conclusion is one i already made.

As for congressmen, while true, they either need term limits, or roman-style immunity protections (expiring after your term is up leaving you open to lawsuits and sharp pointy lengths of metal thrust into your chest)

Honestly, people nearer the top should be prepared to face higher consequences for their actions, not lesser. When you fuck up, you should expect to have your throat slit publicly on the steps of the senate.

>>717910228
Oh no...
no I do not.

:)

>>717909491
Medicaid/care need to be revised not scraped imhu

>>717909491
We don't intentionally target civilian populations and we do care more about the loss of innocent lives than Russia does. We are way more calculated in our responses than Russia is, and as a result we haven't murdered as many civilians. You know damn well that Hillary said that #1 it is a gross overgeneralization, and #2 about half of the Trump supporters are deplorable racists. The average Trump supporter who wore those t-shirts and hats saying that they are proud to be deplorable is down syndrome level mental retardation. She wasn't talking about them. It's an inconvenient fact that the KKK and other hate groups actively supported Trump and helped to empower the alt right movement in the Republican party. This is what she was talking about. If you aren't a racist, then why are you taking offense to what she said, even if she stupidly said half (although she obviously didn't mean literally half) of Trump supporters are deplorables? The Russia thing, look there's so much bullshit that Putin's Russia has done in the past 10 years that to just offer a "reset" is a slap in the face to Georgia, Ukraine, NATO and the Netherlands who had a passenger airline taken out by pro Russian militants in Ukraine.

>>717910319
Okay good I thought that was the point you where making sorry.

>>717893388
electoral college votes don't always align with the popular vote, that's all it is. People don't want those occasions-- there's only been like 7 of them-- so they'd rather get rid of it. How hard is that to understand?