>"We're going to repeal Obamacare on the day I am

>>717868796


Dump trump.

>>717868796
>muh guns
>muh taxes
>muh freedom

Blame the American media for creating this retarded meme

>D-don't w-worry guys it'll b-be soooooooooooo much better t-trust me on that! Don't ask me any questions about it though, just trust me OK guys, guys? Am I right guys?

You're all cucks, betas and cucks. MAGA!

>>717869841


Kill your self

Obamacare is still a fucking joke compared to what proper countries have.
In european countries citizens get MORE benefits with LESS spending
How? Because the government isn't inefficient as fuck and actually knows how to wisely spend its money.

>>717870088
Very nice

Are you guys still crying?

>>717870125

Republican retards are why Obamacare failed

>>717870307
Donald is THE ultimate alpha, no wonder betacucks can't stand him.

>>717870513

You mean the ultimate degenerate

>>717870471
your entire country is why it failed

america's reached the point where having actually decent healthcare would send the state into bankruptcy

it all goes back to the extremely liberal economic stances and incredibly high military spendings, but without those america would probably collapse or something seeing as how those are what shaped its dominance over the world since WWII

>>717870740
Keep hating a successful white businessman with big family.

>>717870912

Na, it was just the repubs fucking around

>>717868796
replace, dumbass

>>717871153
can you explain how the cost of obamacare is so excessive despite not beung even close to reaching the standard of for example, french healthcare, which costs significantly less for each person covered

is this the republicans again somehow?

>>717870740
Sorry bro, but you're on 4chan.
Avoiding any fact-based debate in favor of belching mean-spirited ad-hominems = alpha.
Refusing to take any responsibility for the things you've done = alpha.
Bragging about being a sexual predator who assaults women =alpha.

4chan doesn't want a competent leader, they want someone who fulfills their petty machismo fantasies.

>>717871151

Whore wife that was mail order from Russia

Bastard children

Massively in debt and had 5 bankruptcy so far

Yea no.

>>717871352

The insurance company's raised the rates not Obamacare

>>717871151
>businessman

>>717868796
Oh, look. A political expert posting on /b. How lucky we all are.

>THEY'LL ALL LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE

Because no one had any before Obamacare.

Protip: More than 90% of the "new coverage" is just people going on Medicare/Medicaid.

>>717871282
The word "replace" is in my post twice.

>>717868796
uh thats the point, we want people to die

>>717871590
but obamacare happened before the rates increased so therefore by my logic, obamacare caused the increase

its one of those pro causa non causa arguments

>>717868796
>Donald, if you repeal the Affordable Care Act, approximately 30 million Americans will lose their insurance,
I'm tried of having to pay for people that are too fucking lazy to go to work and just want free stuff. Fuck you Liberal.

>>717871151
Success is determined by how far you've come based on where you started.

If you are born into poverty and, through some measure of luck and effort, attain financial security, that is success.

If you are born into obscene wealth and remain obscenely wealthy as an adult, you did not succeed, you just stayed where you started.

>>717871774

You got that backwards

>>717868796
>people with no insurance
>people not calling 911
>not having to wake up in middle of night for BS medical call.

Hmm

>>717871673
>The poor and the sick should die.
>Pro-life.

>>717868796
30 million people are forced to buy this but most can't afford it.

>>717871868
> Implying that you even pay your taxes

So Trump is going to invest in fitness/nutrition education so people will be healthier and therefore the cost of medical care will reduce?
Oh wait it's Trump and he's technically a republican so that would be impossible

>>717870471
How so you fucking cuck? Its was 100% written and voten on by Democrats
Seriously, kill yourself

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>>717871868
This country would be better off if we just lined liberals up and put a bullet in everyone of them.

>>717868796
he has healthcare plans outlined, partially. his ideas are like, B+ at least. way better than ACA, no matter who you are. conservatives dont pay attention to anything so they dont realize hes actually getting rid of healthcare so that he can replace it with something far more extensive.
only good idea hes ever had really.

>>717872100
I do pay me taxes unlike you fucking live off mommy and daddy in the basement liberal fucks that the mere mention of a job application causes you to go into a fainting spell.

>>717872200

The repubs fucking cut it apart, fucked over the wording, and then had the insurance companys raise the rates before hand

>>717871418
You're right. Why are we still here? Why can't I quit this place?

>>717868796
He's not even in office yet.

Also, premiums have skyrocketed in the past few months. People are more than willing to pay the penalty for not having health insurance than to spend 100% more per month.

Give him a chance, and we'll see what happens. There is a heck of a lot of work to get done, and not much time to do it.

(Also, telling everyone his plans right now would mean that others would steal his ideas. This was done constantly in the primaries and throughout the general election.)

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>>717872262
The Germans tried that once. They found there was a huge bottleneck with regards to waste disposal.

And you'd need to find someone to pull the trigger. You obviously won't, because if you would you wouldn't just be talking shit on the internet.

>>717872422

Stop talking about yourself

>>717868796

They're never going to replace Obamacare with something better, because there IS NOTHING that will please all the whiny Americans who think that healthcare should be a "civil right."

Obamacare is imploding. Prices are skyrocketing, companies are pulling out of the exchanges to save their own skins, the government is forking over money hand over fist.

You don't need to replace it. You just need to end that shit.

>>717870125
You should have gotten dubs cause that was some truth

>>717871489

I love how people keep quoting the "he had five bankruptcies" as if it's the only thing that matters.

Tell me anon, how many companies has Trump had over the years?

Count the ones that succeeded for a change, then you'll be getting a clearer picture.

>>717872790

Healthcare is a civil right.

>>717873020

Yea.. no.

It's not.

>>717868796
Trump is the whitest nigger have ever seen.

>>717872994

Real company or money laundering fount?

>>717873020
Fucking socialists. I work in healthcare. Obamacare is a disaster. Can't wait to see it get out.

>>717872994
>throw enough shit at the wall and some of it sticks
Not exactly a very efficient method is it?

>>717869841
nice argument

>>717871151
> white man
Thats a funny way to spell racist melting pumpkin

>>717869327
I'd rather blame the white trash that propagate this meme. They're the reason it exists in the media.

>>717868796
god libtards are so stupid. "hur dur 30 million will lose mu health care'' Thats like when libtards say hur dur "he wants to get rid of the department of ejaculation he doesn't want kids to go to school"

>>717873197

Enjoy losing your job

>>717868796

obamacare only benefitted the lazy welfare abusing democrats

>>717873136

Real company.

If you could name one of his money laundering fronts, I'd appreciate it.

Whats with all the hate for liberals? Yes I'll admit I am one.
But...
>I work two jobs
>I pay taxes
>I don't support black lives
>I rent
>I payed my car in full
>I volunteer alot in suffering / low income communitys teaching and helping familys


All you republicans do are bitch and cry. Grow up, maybe volunteer some of your time to better yourselves and help struggling people.

>>717873478

Trump university

>>717871945
They'll still call 911, and then when they can't pay because they've got no insurance the bill goes to the state, which goes to the fed

>>717873438
Well.. they would. I mean, what exactly do you think their health plans will be replaced with? Medicaid? Something the new administration already has outlined (so highly unlikely it's not even funny).

Stop being a memester for a second and use a touch of logic before posting something that completely undermines your kek worship.

>>717873574

>whats with all the hate for liberals

maybe its because there welfare abusing degenerates? ya,i think thats why people hate liberals,now go fuck yourself

>>717873467
Which is why Obama pushed it through Congress in the middle of the night. Obama doesn't do what's best for the country, only what is best for his legacy and his "people".

>>717873089
Yeah it is

>>717873467

>How to spot a nazi

>>717873467
(except for the millions of white Southern conservatives that use it)

>>717873089
Yes it is. Along with shelter and food, healthcare is a right

>>717872262
This country would be better off if we just lined conservatives up and put a bullet in everyone of them.

>>717868796
good i hope people die

>>717870125
dude im Canadian and i can tell you our health care is a fucking joke. I've been straight up told after waiting 11 hours in an emergency room to get my finger reattached "you should go to a private clinic and just spend the money. Needless to say i have 9 fingers

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>>717870125
That's it in a nutshell

>>717873748

(only because it was forced upon them when there perfectly fine healthcare plans were cancelled)

you fuckin leftists dont understand why you got shit on so hard this election

>>717873703
>What is every white trash republican
They're just niggers with light skin

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>>717868796
If you libtards didn't say Trump is literately Hitler and that everything he does is bad I might of believed you on this point.

But now you lost all respect. Maybe the Russian hackers hacked my brain.

>>717873766
sure thing hitler

>>717873831
Pic with timestamp

>>717873906
Forced upon them... Yet... they were already receiving government healthcare via Medicaid and Medicare.

You don't understand the concept of "plans" or something being "forced" or how any of this works, do you?

>>717873574

>payed
>alot

Genius new grammar usage, anon.

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>>717871489
Keep crying you fucking faggot

>>717873703

Mmm, the smell of pure 100% conservative salt.

I don't abuse we'll fair. And lots of people on Obama Care voted trump. Over a million in Florida voted trump.

Your point = invalid

>>717871418

>crying this fucking hard

Why don't you cry elsewhere instead of spewing your libtard tears all over these threads?

>>717868796
I mean considering that ACA is actually a shit option for 90% of americans, and covers next to nothing while costing quite a bit, we were honestly better off with the clusterfuck that was before
you wanna fix our healthcare?
take a fucking axe to it

>>717870125
Exactly.
But that isn't the point. America will never realize that level of healthcare because it requires a certain tolerance for socialist policy. The american people are so indoctrinated to equating any social policy with satan himself, and too many politicians are swayed by alliances with private enterprise, that it'd be impossible for any legislation more comprehensive and efficient than obamacare to be pushed through

>>717873020
No it isn't.

>>717874143

Can't deny, so you insult

>>717872170
Cry more, bitch.

>>717873307
this

>>717874170

how many of those people on obamacare didnt have a choice because there previous healthcare plans got cancelled.you stupid libtard,there's a reason the only way the left can win an election now is cheating and using the uneducated for votes

>>717869841
This ones got the arguments of trump.

>You guys are betas and cucks
>Real arguments or valid points? Nahhhh

>>717872359
I'm glad we have know it all here to explain their point of view.

>>717871489
Hey man, leave Melania alone.

I think Trump's a showman with no gameplan. Not some wannabe Hitler, but an unfortunately impressionable, naive dolt with no real ideals, so this makes him exceptionally easy to subvert. The main issue with Trump is he's an open hatch to chuck policy into the USG.

Melania though seems to be a lovely woman who has nothing to do with this. How about you faggots be the voice of reason here and leave her out of it. Maybe make some solid arguments about the man's lack of policy instead of gossipping about his wife like some spiteful schoolgirls.

>>717874305
It should be default free healthcare, with the option for more extensive healthcare if you want it or your employer provides it

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>>717874546

This is /b/, not your high school debate team, faggot.

>>717874546
>how do I greentext mommy ?
>oh wait, Im doing it, look at me!!

>>717874524
>shwut up, wibtahd!
>stwupid widtahd!
>teahs! dewicious libwal teahs!

Good god SHUT THE FUCK UP already.

>>717874143
Glad you didn't mention all the law suits against him. How many was it? Like 500+? Contractors who didn't get paid? Yeah...really cool and successful guy.

>>717874677

She's a porn star whore.

>>717873752
what makes you think you have the right to another person's labor?

>>717872464
Ooooh, those evil republicans, always trying to make obama look bad. You are such a child.

>>717874524
>Using the uneducated for votes
Kek, kind of ironic coming from the party that thinks higher education is a liberal brainwashing machine

>>717871590
That's the good thing about where I am... private health insurance means I get a room to myself and a wider selection of surgery dates if something happens.

No healthcare, I have to share a room and the hospital performs surgery when its got an opening. I get fucked around a little, but its 100% free (apart from taxes, of course).

Ambulance? One off payment of $120 annually and all ambulance services are free. Including airlifts.

Emergency surgery? No probs. No upfronts. Any costs from follow-ups can be settled later on very low payment plans.

Only real problem is what they define as 'elective' as opposed to 'necessary' procedures... there's some loooooong fuckin waiting lists for some shit.

>>717871590
but Obamacare rules were implemented in such a way that people would get the cheapest insurance possible, then would bump up their coverage level, or just outright get insurance literally the morning of the procedure.

>>717874774
She is however not a part of your cabinet.
And really? A /b/tard is going to give her shit for making erotic shots? Come on man, be straight with me, the only reason you could hate her for that is because you're jelly of her having a sexlife. It's okay if you're a faggot with others, but be straight with me.

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what if he actually does replace it with something better?

>>717874777
The UN Declaration of Basic Human Rights, agreed to by every member country

>>717872422
No one seems to complain that most of their taxes go to building tanks that we won't use.

But fuck all this poor sick people right?

>>717874829

> No counter argument, uses trump style insult

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>>717874372
Deny what? Read the picture. Then look it up for yourself. DT is everything you hate in life because he embodies the alpha males in high school that fucked all the bitches and actually got invited to parties and had fun. That's why you hate him. That's why liberals hate him. Because you all base everything you "stand for" off of personal feelings and your weak emotional mindsets. Which is exactly why the GOP have control of everything now. It's your own fault. Fucking deal with it.

>>717874973
Hunger Games.

>>717874973
Such as?

>>717874524
>using the uneducated for votes

But thats a Republican thing.
Hes an example, you.

Hes not going to build a wall.
Hes not going to make America grate.

He targeted factory workers and uneducated / racist people. Most who use government handouts / Obama Care.

>>717870307
>tens of thousands of people will die
>"hahahaha, beta cucks -YOLO"

You sound like a wonderful person who will have much success in life.

>>717874948

She's a Russian mail-order whore

>>717875049

We already made our argument--at the polls. You may have heard how that turned out.

>>717875140
Survival of the fittest you fucking cuck.

>>717868796
Source or gtfo

>>717875140

Member how everyone you knew died every day before Obongocare?

>>717873201
Trump has over 97 percent success rate. That's 99 percent more than you.

>>717875059

>He can't write out a proper counter argument

>>717873201
I dunno...
It worked pretty well for Stan Lee

>>717870125
>be republican
>obama commie bastard wants universal healthcare wtf
>do everything to make it as difficult as possible to implement
>manage to block half of the commie scam through congress
>obamacare isn't nearly as succesfull as intended because of it
>lol see obama failed

>>717872200
You are literally an idiot. Democrats wanted European solution of single payer as first draft of Obamacare. Republicans made it what it is.

>>717875353
Lol k this is officially bait. Keep crying on 4chan faggot. You're doing God's work.

ACA is a couple of thousand pages long and there are about 20,000 pages of regulations that have been tacked on in the past few years. Have any of you read a single page of it? No? Then shut the fuck up about it.

>>717871868
The cost of a perennially sick workforce drives your insurance premiums up too. People who grew up without health insurance a statistically more likely to be seriously ill later in life and to suffer worse from illnesses throughout the course of their lives. Basically, being poor makes you sick.

So if healthcare is provided to everyone, regardless of income, the cost of insurance will go down over time as less people get sick and those that do recover quicker or suffer less seriously than they otherwise would. It would also drive the economy onwards as employers don't have to spend as much money on sick pay.

In other words, a healthy workforce makes money, so it's in a nation's best interests to ensure their workforce is as healthy as is economically viable. This is one of the reasons why European countries have such high GDPs in relation to their population.

>>717875168
Every time you focus on this broad, you take attention away from concrete issues, antagonize opposition instead of making them more inclined to listen, and delegitimize your own platform by filling its foundation up with bullshit.

>>717875106
An insurance pool for those with preexisting conditions which will be subsidized so they can get health care, and the removal of a bunch of crazy regs so plan prices can come down for the rest?

>>717868796
It will cost the country 380 billion dollars to repeal the ACA and republicans don't have a replacement in place which means tax payers are going to pay even more when the uninsured go to the ER.

Up next, debtors prison.

>>717875179

Yes. Hillary won the popular vote but trump threatening the electoral college helped him steal the election

>>717873307
That's funny, the white trash just want the government to quit digging in their pockets to fund Latoya when she spits out her 3rd nigglet or samika when she has her 8th abortion.

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>>717875321
>Trump has over 97 percent success rate.
at what? failure?

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If you can't afford your own healthcare you probably deserve to die

Deal with it

how about you fucks get a proper job so you can pay for your own insurance?????

>>717875269
No, because I am upper middle class and make more than both your parents combined, maybe twice over. Doesn't mean I don't want a better life and health for the less fortunate.

>>717873906 They meant welfare in general, you are aware of the fact that welfare is used more often in red states yes? And no, don't blame the blacks in the south if you look at the demographics whites do use welfare more. Please stop your delusions they are harmful, find better delusions to propagate.

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>>717875635

Yeah, that pesky Constitution stopping Hilldebeast from winning. B-o-o-h-o-o.

>>717875480

Literally this

>>717873020
Nope. Neither is time off.

>>717875748
See
>>717874143

>>717875748
Considering he has about 500 successful companies. I guess the facts really go over your head huh?

>>717875748
The Trump name is a brand. Just because he licenses his name to a business doesn't mean he has any impact on the success/failure of that business.

>>717875480
Welcome to politics and democracy.

Its all about ramming your cock down another man's throat and yelling 'hey everyone, look at this giant fucking faggot with my cock down his throat!!!' while hoping no one notices how much of a faggot that makes you.

>>717874524
>Cheating
>Trump literally cheated
Lol

>>717875846

Sure you do. I bet you're just fucking around on /b/ on your phone while you're waiting for your Bugatti to be detailed.

Also, my parents are retired, so the bar is pretty low.

>>717875675
why do they also hate abortions then?

>>717875865

Try reading

>>717875958
Interesting. You seem to know how deeply Trump affects the companies he has. Tell us how much he involves himself and his managers into his companies.

>>717875958
>implying branding and licensing isn't a hugely successful business venture

>>717871868
It costs you more to NOT pay for their health insurance. That's why "obamacare", dumbass.

>>717876022
how did trump cheat? he literally beat the media and the corrupt DNC lmao. get a life.
just because you lost doesn't mean you lost unfairly

>>717875938

90% were / are fake lol

>>717873752
Wrong. It's a necessity. How you fill that necessity determines if you are a leech on the system.

>>717876082

Try accepting facts. When you lose your king playing chess, you don't win because you still have more pieces left on the board than the other guy. Pandering to the coasts was her gameplan, and the EC did exactly the thing it was supposed to do.

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>>717876199

This.

>>717876038
No Bugatti, I drive a Subaru. But I graduated from Columbia and make in the six figures.

>>717876156
lol what the fuck are you talking about? my prescription costs cost me way more now to pay for these poor fucks.

>>717876051
They're parents didn't get one, thats why.

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>>717875748

Dozens and dozens and dozens of disgustingly successful companies. Billionaire head of corporate empire. Hot wife. Wins at everything he does. President of the United State of America. Does whatever the fuck he wants. Just to name a few. Keep being butthurt faggot.

>>717876366

Were you gay before you bought the Soob, or did the dealership let you sign the form promising you'd turn within 30 days of buying it?

>>717876279

She won the votes you retarded trumptard

>>717876349
exactly

>trump says he'll cal for a recount if he loses, WHAT A SORE LOSER
>hillary loses
RECOUNT RECOUNT RECOUNT

>>717876156
It costs me more if i don't give my money away. How fucking retarded are you?

>>717876199
Fucker said himself its going to be rigged.

>>717876366
How much did that degree cost you? I earn 6 figures in straya and I was paid to learn my qualifications. Have fun trying to get out of never ending student loans

>>717876534

Too bad that's not the criteria for winning, but please, do go on about how unfair it all was.

>>717873766
Come on. You liberals with your guns and violence. It's funny how you lib fags are so against violence until you don't get your way. At least republicans say they want guns for hunting or self defence, you fags go straight for the "my feel feels got hurt".

>>717876532
using gay as in insult on /b/ is like calling neo-nazis white as an insult

>>717876580

Yes he rigged the electoral college in his favor

>>717876525
Racist Sexist Xenophobic Egotistical Conman to name a few more

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>>717876566

except he never said that. But I'm glad that you're mad.

>>717871489
Another idiot who doesn't even know what the word bankruptcy means

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>>717873831
Don't believe this at all, I waited 6 months to get treatment for migraines in the states. People are made to wait even in the states.

This place used to be far left under the bush retardation
Just some more proof this website is filled with contrarians rather than critical thinkers
In a year or two most of the idiotic propaganda bubble here will be liberal again
and so the train of retardation goes

>>717876598
>hahahahah you went to an awesome college and have more student loans than me *tips fedora

>>717876640

Just shoot your self and be done with it.

>>717876397
That doesn't make sense at all. Besides, prescription costs change all the time.

>>717868796
ACA is shit and has caused premiums to skyrocket across the board. Why am I suddenly paying over 40% more for my health insurance when my situation and risk factors haven't changed a bit? The ones who can't afford it aren't my problem so why are my premiums subsidizing theirs? Suddenly our hospitals have increased fill and usage rates and general wait times to see a physician have climbed due to the influx of people that the system isn't prepared to handle, people who are seeing a doctor for a sniffle or a cough who would otherwise just suck it up if they didn't have health insurance.

It's a step away from socialized health care and don't even get me started on that!

>>717875179
Yeah you lost at the polls you fucking idiot you only won because of our electoral college. Your vote meant nothing. If it did Hillary would be our president.

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>>717876641

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

>>717868796
fuck off

>>717876688
wut? I'm on trump's side, showing the hypocrites on the left. but okay lol, learn to read fuckface

>>717876257
Article 25 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights, of which the United States was a signatory

>(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

>>717876821

WE ONLY WON BECAUSE OF THE FUCKING RULES.

How is that so difficult for you asspained children to understand?

>>717876641
Your thinking of the far far left buddy. I like my guns!

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>>717868796
Melania the Witch

sh~

>>717876717

Loss of all money and defaults on debts.

Which is what he did.

>>717875566
What drives the premiums up is fucking greed. Obamacare is a farce and that is why it is failing. If Obama had a brain or any other politician for that matter. They would put a cap on the cost of medications and the amount you are able to sue a doctor for. That would bring down the cost of insurance so that people that are not making a lot of money would be able to afford it. Extorting money from the working class to pay for freeloaders is not how you fix it. I bet you try and kill dandelions by pulling off the flower.

>>717875321
Money makes everyone a winner.

>>717876754
not if you have decent insurance lol
why the hell do you think people all over the world come to the states for procedures? we literally have the world's best healthcare.
wanna know why?
not everyone is as righteous as the left wants to make it seem.
doctors want to get paid.
guess what? they make less with obamacare

OP is a total moron or paid shill.

People who pay for their insurance pay far more now than before Obamacare, and poorfags still get totally free healthcare via Medicaid and the fact that hospitals can't just turn them away.

Communism.

>>717876572
Emergency room and ambulance costs for the uninsured are provided to the hospitals through federal subsidies to the states

>>717877009
>They would put a cap on the cost of medications
This was lobbied against profusely by the GOP.

Whoever the incumbent is, the other side will go out of their way to sabotage their opposition. At the expensive of the public interest, if necessary.

>>717876777
Only in Murica can someone be judged by the school they went to. As an employer I look at people's transcripts to see whom I should hire as a graduate. Maybe try being something other than an Ivy League tie.

Also checked.

>>717876532
Ouch, but I'm still gonna vote in your best interest, and youre still gonna be an idiot voting against me.

>>717876902
And when the UN finally collapses all that goes away.

>>717876249
you have no understanding of business

>>717876935

NO YOU WON BECAUSE TRUMP THREATENING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WORKED

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>>717876989
option

B
dumb dead skeleting
friggin clown shoes
I’m an Argonian Drow.
Anyone have any [Molten lava] I need to cauterize a severe wound.

>>717877170

I'm not gay, black, Hispanic, or Muslim. I'm voting for my best interests.

>>717876777
Straya...
Since they dropped the HECS bullshit we don't have student loans.

Dunno about the guy you're replying to, but it cost me $200 for a 13 month tard-wrangling course. Now I get at least $45 an hour for basically babysitting. More if I have to do shit.

>>717868796
>Donald, if you repeal the Affordable Care Act, approximately 30 million Americans will lose their insurance, including 9 million children.

Fuck those kids, I don't want to keep paying for a $400-a-month bronze package that doesn't cover jack shit.

>>717877232
Goddamn human rights!
Don't worry, I'm sure once you snip those there's no way it'll ever come back to haunt you.

>>717876935
>rules

Think you meant to say Russians

>>717877112
That comes from the working class via higher taxes. The government doesn't have a money tree. Every fucking free thing out there from the government is payed for by the taxpayers.

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>>717877274

You are amazingly delusional. Let me guess, before Hilldebeast got the nod, you were a Berniefag, right?

>>717876572
Because health care costs for the insured are enormously inflated from paying for the uninsured, who become sickly, and cost you even more. You pay for them already and always have. Retard.

>>717873703

Lol, yeah about that. I live on the west coast and literally every single liberal I know personally - and that's the majority of people I know, really - is gainfully employed (many in STEM jobs), doesn't accept public assistance, doesn't commit serious crimes, doesn't talk about safe spaces or assuming gender, didn't riot when Trump won, and is generally responsible. As for those "welfare abusing degenerates?" As far as my own personal experience goes, they exist only in arguments on the internet.

>>717877043
It's got nothing to do with how much doctors get paid. The US spends a crap ton on research and development, and that money doesn't come from doctors visits.

>>717875049
I can tell you the sky is blue all day long, you are gonna just keep crying about how obama made the sky and stars and trump shouldn't change the sky to blue.

>>717877449

Hahaha...that sorry tired ass bullshit again.

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welcome to modern war politics

>>717872530
Was definitely interesting how Hillary, after is was too late, started repeating Trump's "jobs, jobs, jobs" rhetoric

>>717877450
Yep, so everyone was paying for the uninsured before before the ACA came around

>>717871489
You sound bitter. Trump will fix that in you.

>>717876935
Maybe you should do some research on why the electoral college exists. There is no reason for it to be existent in modern society.

It was created because when all of our votes had to be carried by carriage to DC it would have taken fucking forever to decide who won.

The electoral college is an outdated fucked up way of picking the president. It should be a count of total votes. But that would be to easy. Not enough room for corruption.

>>717877155
It needs to be pushed for every time and the public notified instead of it being backdoored.

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>>717877560
source :: >>>>> (incoming:

>>717875059
faggot, just type "cuck" 20 times and be done with it

>>717873752
But we don't have that right. No one in history ever has. You have to pay, via labor or currency. Never been any different

>>717875807
I work a proper job m8. Just can't pay for things like it used to.

>>717877735

Same sort of argument you guys use against the Second Amendment. Guess what--it's not going anywhere either.

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>>717877760
>>717877560
>>717877339
>>717876989


Bienvenu :)

>>717877437
You don't need to have a signed paper from other nations as long as the people of the country hold their elected official accountable and stop acting like sheep and voting them back into office.

>>717868796
>Donald, if you repeal the Affordable Care Act, approximately 30 million Americans will lose their insurance, including 9 million children.

Did you forget more than that lost it BECAUSE of Obamacare, and ones who couldn't afford it in the first place are now being punished?

>>717877720

Or you could just die

>>717876051
Because they think it's morally wrong. Just don't get pregnant in the first place without consulting a doctor. The ones that don't agree with abortions from rape/death of the mother are insane, though. They don't count as people, don't worry about them.

I, personally, don't care about abortions. Whatever. Pump them out all you want. I shouldn't have to pay for abortions for some slut that just likes to pump out kids and not close her legs, though.

But i understand the idea that you can "fix" your problem by getting an abortion is absurd. Don't get pregnant. That's literally all you have to do.

>>717868796
Obamacare was a Frankenstein's monster to begin with. Based on lies and corruption. Lazy medical services and terrible structuring for healthy living. It should have never took off the ground. Now, we have to deal with this CuckCare. Trump has plans for it, and you don't need to worry about how it plays out. You will just see. Shut your fucking mouth, and hold your asshole for 8 years, snowflake.

>>717877936
Please cite something other than breitbart...

>>717877476
...and in SE MI, where I live.

>>717877927
Hold him accountable to what? The laws you, Derp McDerpson, come up with on the spot when you're having a spat with an official?
If it's not on paper it doesn't exist dude. You repeal those laws, you just have no laws. So you have absolutely fuckall to prosecute your officials for, they get free reign to do whatever they want.

>>717877851
How many times do I have to explain this?
See >>717876902

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>>717877909
£ôƒ

>>717876566
People are stupid everywhere my man

>>717877009
It's been tried, but Congress has blocked it so many times that a watered down Republican bill from the 90s is the best we can get. Says a lot about the political spectrum that a right wing policy proposed as an alternative to government funded healthcare is now a liberal ideal.

You won, guys, and it wasn't when Trump was elected. You won over the course of decades as the politics of the country took a sharp turn to the right. Trump, or someone like him, was as inevitable as the tides because the Democratic party is out of touch with the left wing base so they need to have someone charismatic and populist every time to stand a chance at winning. Meanwhile the Republicans are so safe with their base that it wouldn't matter if they put a chimp up on the podium, they'd still get a decent chunk of the vote.

>>717878028

Please kill your self

>>717877878
Minimum wage sucks. Going to suck more after trump drops it lower to help his corporate butt buddys.

>>717877350
Your interests are more complicated than that. I'm interested in you and your family having work that pays well, a home to live in, to not have to rely on public assistance, for your safety from crime, and even for the quality of the food you east and the air you breathe.

>>717877468
They are uninsured because they cannot afford it you dipshit. You lower the cost they can afford it that simple. Extorting money from others to cover the fuckers that don't want to work or get insurance is not the way to fucking do it. They should also make a time limit on welfare. A 3 year lifetime maximum would work. If they are too fucking lazy to work then they need to move to california.

>>717878188
ouais

>>717868796
>Official estimates of how many Americans will die annually as a result of the ACA being repealed range between 27,000 and 36,000
funny
that was about the same argument coming from conservatives when the ACA was in congress
and the progressives dismissed it as being needlessly alarmist
what has changed that makes people dieing inconsequential 16 years ago and the same argument now valid?

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>>717876684

>he's racist because I think we should have open borders and he doesn't

lol your anger fuels me, I love it. stay mad faggot.

>>717878296
you can't live with them and you can't live without them

>>717877886
>Implying that you know my stance on guns.

I fucking love guns and own several of them myself. Everyone having the right to have guns is equality.

And everyone having a vote that matters is equality.

The fact that so many more people voted for a certain candidate and they still lost is appalling. If trump lost this same exact way all of you would be crying "rigged"

Faggots.

>>717878281
>They are uninsured because they cannot afford it
That, and humans are terrible with risk-assessment so they don't get healthcare even when they can afford it, driving prices up because there's a larger proportion of the sick in the pool

>>717875486
Yeah, yeah, the republicans did it. They got the Russians to hack Obama's plans.

>>717878028
>don't worry about it
>trump has plans
>I'm an authoritarian!

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>>717878403
rascism is nothing BUT the simple talking or concept of race.


learn entomology

.

>>717876199

here we have it folks, people who only read headlines and nothing else. "Russia hacked the election". This dumbfuck think that means they hacked voting machines and rigged the vote. No, the DNC got hacked, and what was exposed was that the DNC are the ones who tried to rig the primaries in favor of Clinton. What's it like being stupid?

>>717877709
Yes they were but not as much and some people had insurance but the ACA fucked a lot of people because their insurance had to be on Obamas buddy list and if their insurance company want on that approved list they were fucked and had to pay more money for ACA bullshit.

>>717878514
This

>>717878559

that's racist that you even replied.

>>717868796
Those who think Obamacare is a good plan don't understand economics. There's only a limited amount of any good and service and when you artificially raise demand to astronomical levels by mandating everyone have the product, prices skyrocket.

Of course the welfare nigs living on government dime get a better deal but anyone who has to pay will pay more for it.

Subsidies fuck up the natural market. Ordinarily costs of goods and services would be within the reach of the common man in society. They'd be proportional to what the common man earns.

Salaries of doctors and insurance agents would be proportional to how much the general public is earning.... but when you subsidize all of this doctors salaries can be up to a half million a year when everyone else living in that area is making 50k. And costs of a hospital stay, which otherwise would be just a few hundred becomes 10k for a few hours of doctors apathetically taking vitals until they boot you out.

They're going to create black market for medical care and medicine. It actually would be a great idea. Competition (even from black markets) gets the government subsidies parasites from leeching insanely more than they should.

Everything should be free market. Putting the government in charge of anything just means a lot more hands in your pocket. Before government intervention, medical expenditures covered doctors, cost of supplies, and insurance agents. Now it covers all manner of government bureaucrats, adjusters, insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists, and all manner of inefficient government bureaucrats.

Our medical care costs 3X what the next most expensive nation costs.... and it's no better. There's just that many parasites that are in your pocket, from people living off of welfare to government bureaucrats.

The same thing is happening with college tuition as well. It's far better that government doesn't subsidize things at all...

>>717878553
You are so profoundly ignorant of how the ACA came about, and you're actually proud of it.

>>717878553
He's right though, it didn't end up single-payer because of conservative opposition

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>>717868796
Official estimates of how big of a stooge and fag OP are are huuuuuuuuge, believe me.

>>717878250

My family is okay, thanks. I am employed as an IT manager with an evil Big Pharma company. No public assistance here. Never had to do it, never will. My guns--and concealed handgun permit--are a pretty good deterrent to criminals preying upon me. FDA and EPA have their place, but they often overstep their bounds and are pretty overstaffed, to be honest. I get to do 30 minutes of paperwork to document a 2 second database update thanks to FDA guidelines.

>>717877735
So you believe that only a couple states should tell the rest of the country what to do? Geee that wouldn't trigger a civil war at all.

>>717878600
So we should do single-payer with the option to purchase private insurance if you wish. That results in risk being spread the most and hospitals not needing subsidies for ER visits

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>More competition among insurance providers won't provide a cheaper, better product

you guys are fucking retarded

>>Donald, if you repeal the Affordable Care Act, approximately 30 million Americans will lose their insurance, including 9 million children.

Appeal to Emotion

>>Official estimates of how many Americans will die annually as a result of the ACA being repealed range between 27,000 and 36,000.

>>Official estimates of how many Americans will die annually as a result of the ACA being repealed range between 27,000 and 36,000.

Appeal to Authority

>>717878792
>>717878792
>Implying that everyone in a state has the same views.

You're fucking retarded. It's about what the total collective of people believe is right, states aren't people and those color coded maps are bullshit.

Get your head out of the sand.

>>717873831
You're not european you fucking leaf.

>>717875852
If you are right why are you worried? Let the republicans have there way and lose their free obama care. It means less taxes for you. Maybe your afraid people will do for themselves and won't need a top heavy government to tell them what to do?

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>>717876788
Butthurt much?

>>717875846
No you most definitely don't.

>>717878791
Paperwork sucks, but I'd rather have our drugs subject to those regulations than not

>>717878665
This. We give the most free rides for healthcare by a goddamn mile, and that's why those who DO pay, pay a metric fuckton for it.

The honest to god answer is that we have to drop the NEETS from parent's plans, drop pre-existing conditions, unless you're in a group for those specifically.

Also, smokers or obese people should get next to no coverage for any of their preventable diseases.

Insurance should cover only the things absolutely necessary. Accidents, cancer, maternity care and births, infections, etc...

If you weigh 400 and get diabetes, you shoudl be executed on the spot, not run up a 4 million dollar bill for the next 25 years.

>>717879222

No doubt, but stuff like that drives me up the damn wall. Swimming in paperwork just trying to do my job.

>>717879222
Agreed and checked

>>717878791
I'm an IT manager too, and I have to do those same 30 minutes of paper work, it's called a production change authorization form.

BTW, your gun increases the chances of a suicide in your family, the killing of a spouse, or an accidental death of a family member over 10x higher than you stopping a crime against you or your family.

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>>717868796
>Donald, if you repeal the Affordable Care Act, approximately 30 million Liberals, Illegals and degenerates will lose their insurance. Official estimates of how many liberals, Illegals and degenerates will die annually as a result of the ACA being repealed range between 27,000 and 36,000. Those numbers represent how many U.S. citizens will die every year, starting this year and continuing every year after that, who otherwise would have lived.


Fixed.

>>717877053
THIS. Homeless drug addict gang members get free health care and did before the ACA.

Hard-working, honest people went from getting raped on premiums and deductibles to getting viciously triple gang-raped in the ass by AIDS-infested elephants after the ACA.

Donald Trump actually appeals to me (someone at the higher end of the intelligence scale) just because of what he says

Anyone who knew anything would have figured out how politics works, a politician can take any piece of data and get it to show whatever they want, same for statistics and any numbers in general in fact.

The one thing that can not be distorted is the truth you see when you go out into the streets and you see crime, you see problems. These are the things Trump emphasizes on the most.

>>717878707
It didn't end up single payer because the insurance lobbyists are pulling the strings in both political parties.

Single payer isn't a bad plan, if the government MUST get involved, it's best they FULLY cover it. And before you say there's not money for it, with what we've spent on Iraq and Afghanistan Wars since 2001, they could cover all healthcare expenditures for every American for THREE GENERATIONS!

However, free market is probably better than a single payer plan.

But the problem is any hybrid of free market and socialized medicine has the worst features of both and the best features of neither. It MUST be one or the other.

Our healthcare costs 3X the price of Norway, who's the next most expensive. Norway offers much better service (and it's covered by the government but salaries and costs for service are 1/3 of ours without all the unnecessary bureaucracy).

And though the media frequently likes to scare us about healthcare in Canada and Britain, even they are lightyears better. Fuck, even Cuba has a better plan.

This is because American politicians have been nothing but puppets for their financier overlords for decades now. Virtually all modern legislation only hurts the common man but it lines the pockets of crony capitalist, surveillance contractors, bankers, and the military industrial complex.

>>717876902
Sure, you have "rights to a standard of". That's not "rights to". Learn to comprehend.

>>717879294
Forgot mental health. That will fix a lot of special snowflakes.

>>717879380

I'd have liked to have killed my spouse, but I divorced her instead. Gave her the house so she wouldn't fleece my retirement for about $600K. Unless my kids can pick a gun safe lock, they won't be using my guns to shoot themselves or anyone else.

>>717876951
Obviously not enough.

>>717870088
Next time type youre're selve

>>717879535
When you brag about your heightened intelligence it only serves to make you look like a dumb fuck.

And trump talks with the grammatical eloquence and intelligence of an 11 year old. That's not opinion, his speeches have been studied by literature majors.

>>717879566
>right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care
They have a right to a standard of living that includes all that. If they can't afford healthcare, they aren't meeting that standard of living

>>717878979
>>717879030

Appeal to Emotion...how? It's a statement of fact.

Appeal to Authority...how? It might be if the person who said it, or the people that poster quoted were in actual positions of authority, but it's merely a nebulous 'official estimates'. Hardly authorative.

If this is the product of an American schooling system, I'm hardly surprised. I bet you didn't even learn Calc, you fucking moron.

>>717876419
They are parents didn't get one?

>>717876727
funding shell corporations with your daddy's money does not make a successful business.

>>717879815

And yet he still won over your vastly more-qualified candidate. Sting much?

>>717879607
I go both ways on it. I'm a pharmacist, I feel more qualified on this subject that 99% of the idiots in this thread.

There are definitely some people who need it, my college roommate was on a huge dose of Concerta, and he was like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde depending if he was medicated or not. Anecdotal, I know, but whatever.

I've seen studies and stats that estimate upwards of 2/3rds of 'mental issues' that are given a medication are not actual issues (as in an actual chemical imbalance in the brain). I sell drugs for a living, and get paid 68 bucks an hour to do it, have a doctorate in pharmacology, and I will NEVER take a psych med. I have very little trust in them. I would seriously rather self medicate with booze. Actually inhibits the same receptors a lot of mental drugs do (benzos and hypnotics) for instance.

>>717879670
I'm an advocate for gun rights but if your gun is in a safe it's not going to do you any good to protect your family. Especially in an emergency.

>>717877450
This

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>>717879944

All these dubs.

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>>717879944
Trump flys around in a 747 jet with his name on the side of it.

What the fuck do you get around in, a 92 Corolla?

>>717879540
Yep, pretty much healthcare is so expensive because healthcare lobbyists gave healthcare companies the ability to make it that expensive

>>717879967
"won"

>hail putin

>>717879967
Because of the electorals

Not because of the people.