>>717765413 I'm actually a Liberal Coastal Elite. I support trump for 2 reasons.
1. My tax breaks (that you won't get) 2. Watching red state filth be decimated by trump's policies. Your tax increases (along with your loss of healthcare, social security, medicare, Medicaid, welfare and disability will destroy you).
>>717764071 -There was no libertarian candidate who follows through on issues, and Gary had no clue what Aleppo was. -Trump addressed issues that wasn't addressed by his opponents like immigration, blacks losing jobs to illegals, jobs going overseas, reaching out to the blacks with "what do you have to lose?" -Has a successful background (try overlooking over 2000 businesses and keep every single one of them from going under, not humanly possible). -Is very outspoken and doesn't attempt to say things tactful or anything of the sort a career politician would say. -Has always been popular amongst the general population BEFORE he ran as the Republican nominee. -Most of his hard pressing issues were either not addressed or not pressed hard enough by his opponents on BOTH sides of the parties. -Ran against both parties, the media including Fox news. I know many of you don't think that but you probably don't watch Fox news anyway so it doesn't matter. Only one on Fox that gave him a fair amount of time was Sean Hannity. -Is not a career politician. I know many of you think career politicians means more qualified, but you didn't throw your support for Joe Biden or John McCain so try to refrain from pick-and-choose standpoints at different points of time. Secondly we could ask ourselves critical thinking questions where we would be if Socrates, Thomas Paine, and Abraham Lincoln were dismissed on grounds of "not qualified" and have a field day. -Overall, he went where other politicians weren't willing to go. In my heart I wish Ben Carson would have won, but I know for sure he would've been eaten alive by any candidate.
Hope that answers your questions. You can devote your time to refuting my opinions with yours and prop them up as facts. I don't expect to say anything without being attacked, it is /b/ and the internet after all. Everyone is tougher here. So do your worst.
>>717765959 I don't understand why liberals paint Republicans as racist and love the word anti-semitic as an ace card when Republicans are the party who support Israel's right to defend its borders however they see fit. Obviously you can't be both pro-Israel and anti-semitic, but I find it curious that they find mental gymnastics to formulate that idea.
>>717767764 >far left accuses GOP of being anti-semitic that's just fucking stupid. It's the far right anti-semites who care enough to get upset by this shit, even though they have no clue what's really happening.
>>717767948 China has no Navy to speak of. They don't really have a way to project their military outside their own borders. And we aren't going to be attacking China, so there is nothing to worry about.
Iran knows we would fuck them up.
North Korea won't do anything either. They only pretend to act tough because that's what he needs to do to stay in power. The perception of a foreign threat keeps a population unified. So North Korea keeps its people in the dark and makes them think the west will invade them any day. That's the only way he can cling to power.
>>717764071 My decision wasn't based as much on foreign policy as it was our tax problems and the economic standing of people in my class (upper middle). Seeing my income tax dropped to 10% from 25 Would be fantastic. If you account for higher import tax and lower production related tax that will increase the creation of jobs I think it'll balance out. When I'm making 80k a year and still struggle to support a family of 4 something has to give.
>>717767936 I'm all for Israel's right to defend its borders however necessary, but I can't stand it when evangelicals and other Christians only throw in their support for Israel simply out of "they're chosen by God". It's upsetting that they see a category of people supremely above them by religion. They should read the Talmud and educate what Jews really think about gentiles. I don't hate Jews, but I can't stand to hear any religious texts say they're chosen or that others aren't human, or uphold any ideas of slavery as a reward. Support Israel for its right to exist, not because God and shit.
>>717767311 I'm usually called a liberal by my conservative friends. It's sort of a running joke, even though I support border security and am very pro Israel. I just don't think massive tax cuts and drastically increasing government spending (deporting millions of people costs a lot of fucking money, a wall is pointless and would cost trillions to build and maintain for a decade, tariffs are an absolutely horrible idea) is best for the country.
Also, Trump didn't even know who the Quds were. This is not someone who should.be making decisions pertaining to middle Eastern politics.
If you read through Hillary's emails, she talks about her plan to militarily support factions of the Kurdish Peshmerga forces that focus on attacking ISIS. Pretty great plan in my opinion.
Trump, on the other hand, is butt buddies with Putin because he said nice things about him, ignoring that Russia is very close allies with Assad, who in turn is supported by Iran, one of the biggest Islamic terrorist factories in the ME.
But whatever. Even though his policies are militarily and economically absurd, at least he 'tells it like it isn't amirite?
>>717769120 More pro IDF and anti Hamas. Israel as a state, I couldn't care less about in terms.of biblical rights or whatever. No one's saying that Israel is a bunch of jewy mouse angels. They're just infinitely more moral and stronger than Hamas. Idgaf that it was democratically elected because that's not my biggest criterion for who should be a world influence. It's a major one, sure, but I'd take an Antonio Salazar style dictator over a democratically elected government whose militants use children as human shields.
>>717769031 Because I don't have much context I can't tell if you're being genuine or not. Either way the upper-middle class is the backbone of this country in my opinion. I'm personally in production of oil and natural gas in the ohio, wv, pa area. I work my ass off for what my family and I have. When you factor in property tax, sales tax, income tax, social security tax, and so on it gets out of hand. I lose nearly $1,000 a paycheck to income and social security tax alone. He won me over with the promise of attempting to lower income tax. It stings when you look at $3,100 net and 2,100 gross on your pay stub. Especially when it costs so Damn much to buy a basic home and vehicles.
>>717768859 "We don't make peace with our allies. We make peace with our enemies" -Abraham Lincoln
I think it would be fantastic if we actually established some common ground with Iran, much less Russia. Iran is a nation that has absolutely every fucking right to hate us. We tampered with their democracy for fucks sake.
We need to be apologizing to Iran, not Japan. If we actually owned up to being shitheads and destabilizing, tampering, and fucking up the middle east, there may actually be a diplomatic path to genuine peace with the ragheads. And then maybe it wouldn't matter that they're a terrorist factory- wouldn't affect us.
But then, we're in bed too much with the Saudis for that to be a real option, now is it? Funny how we're quick to point out what a corrupt and brutal dictator Putin is, but not King fuckface in Riyad.
>>717768859 I agree. I'm wouldn't be quick to label myself as a conservative, but in comparison to others I am. Much I can agree on, but arming the Kurds is a calculated risk since Iraq is divided by people who don't want equality, but rather to be the next Saddam. No one likes the Kurds, they've been oppressed, but arm a people who only know war and oppression and it will be their turn to be the oppressors. Iraq was an extremely sensitive topic, and trying to implement democracy to a region that would democratically NOT want democracy is a bad idea as it's clear that dictatorship is the only thing popular there. The want to be a dictator, and we should be focusing on building a dictator who is on the CIA payroll with strings attached.
Supporting the Kurds might not be a terrible idea, but inevitably we would have more oppression than literally any other group aside from ISIS. I'd rather see Shia muslims in power in that region since it could potentially lead to a reform in Iran.
>he 'tells it like it isn't amirite? Hate to say it, but you have a point. He fought both parties and won because what he said and addressed resonated within the constituents. But there is a point that does stand somewhat in his favor: there are sensitive issues that need to be addressed with a hard stance willing to tackle something that might alienate themselves. No politician was willing to do that since they saw that as political suicide. Turns out, the people want a clear stance that runs either forward or backward and not this in-between unclear direction we've been served with all along.
>>717770259 You know I can't say you're wrong. On the other hand I have to hope like hell you are though. My reality at the ballot box was I have a guy who may Fuck me but says he won't and a woman who wants to destroy the industry that supports my family and I and seems to stand against what we represent. The sad truth to our current state socially is that being married and supporting your own family isn't cool or right anymore. The patriarchy that they hate so much is actually what helped sustain life as it were back in the ww2 era. No one can deny that was the strongest we've ever been.
>>717770952 I can only tell you that I'm 110% on your side. Truly. I really hope Trump does right by you and vast majority of Americans who're like you (regardless of political affiliation). I stand with you and the middle class -- and I'll do my best to have your back.
>>717770952 I would argue we are stronger now than we were in the WWII era in relation to other nations. Our military is by far the best in the world.
>INB4 somebody says we can't even beat a bunch of sand niggers with AK-47s and RPGs and IEDs.
Our military has been forced to fight with both hands tied behind their back ever since Vietnam. We steamrolled our way in Baghdad in a matter of days. We could do that to any nation other than Russia and China if we wanted.
Our air-force is massive compared to Russia or China Our Navy is massive compared to Russia or China We are still the largest economy in the world with China a close 2nd. But when you compare our population sizes it's kind of pathetic how low the per capita GDP of China is.
America is doing great. We just need to stop electing fuckwits for leaders.
>>717771442 I greatly appreciate that. In return I'll continue to support my family so others don't have to through the welfare system. As for political affiliation, I don't really have a lean in either direction. I'll support anyone from any party that holds and supports the same values I do.
Trump represents the first, and probably the last, chance to actually reform the American government. I believe he is a Great Man, the kind that history tells of for centuries. He is a modern Julius Caesar. Unlike the presidents of the past 40 years he is his own man and not beholden to anyone. Trump is clearly a highly intelligent individual who only lets people think he's stupid because it serves his purposes. I predict that through the next 4 years of his first term he will continue winning.
>>717771535 The biggest difference I see is overall support and cohesion. We can't seem to get all of our people to stand together. If not for where we are and why we are there at least for those of us doing the job. The fact is that if someone didn't volunteer for it then someone else would be forced. I was an army medic by the way. OEF 10/11.
>>717770436 I still think supporting and training the Kurds would be overall beneficial, like we did with the FSA before too many extremists took the title.
Although I definitely agree that we should see to it that more Shia powers overtake the Sunni and Salafi governments.
That being said, I was being facetious when I said he tells it like it is. His lying aside, I understand that the timidity with which the Dems approach radical Islam is attrocious. However, him being correct on a few issues doesn't justify his other ideas that I deem to be insane.
>>717764071 are you implying you believe russia was behind these "hacks"? why would you believe that? also all these "hacks" did was release information to the public, which really is the JOB of the media. all this shit is retarded.
>>717772756 There is no cohesion because we don't need to be fighting these wars. There was no justification for the invasion of Iraq, we never should have invaded Afghanistan, Vietnam was pointless.
We haven't had a real enemy since WWII that was worth fighting. I have nothing but respect for people in the military, I just wish our politicians would stop throwing our military under the bus and sending them to die for jew shekels and oil money.
>>717774444 >single most wasteful endeavor in human history
Lots of technologies spin off of military spending. It's a horribly inefficient way to develop technology, but it does happen. I do agree the military spending is a big waste, but there are some minor benefits that trickle down.
I fall in the interesting category of "fly-over elite". Born and raised rural. Went to Ivy League. Came back, own property and farms. Idle rich, highly educated, and enjoys collecting various products that are labeled "illegal in California".
I have a trepidatious optimism about Trump. Unfortunately, I think Trump is probably in over his head. He isn't as cunning a businessman as people believe. Real money doesn't need to resort to scam universities and branding snafus. He doesn't understand the political machine in Washington. I admire that he's willing to call out intelligence agencies on their BS, but fucking with the CIA is a good way to get JFK'd.
Indeed, JFK may be an excellent comparison for Trump. Popular with the people, has a labido, and a distinct lack of tact that leads to him sticking gum on the bottom of your coffee table (in person, JFK was a bit of a jackass). Main difference is he doesn't have a political family to back him up in congress- and clearly that wasn't enough for Kennedy either, was it?
>>717774573 That's very fair. Also another reason why I voted the way I did was that the other option has been involved in most everything negative that's happened over the last 30 years. There have been a lot of accusations regarding trump and Russia and the like. However on the other side of the fence they weren't just accusations against Hillary. She has been involved with a lot of the decisions many Americans have grown to regret and hate. That being said she would have been a continuation of those bad decisions. At least with trump we have a chance at a new direction.
>>717775245 That it is. That's actually the way I think this ride will end. They can't beat him through rigging the system or changing it spontaneously. That leaves them with assassination as their only hope to beat him out before the end of his first term. Also you're probably right about his business related skill. I'm not privy to how that side of things works so I can't touch on that much in either direction. All I can do is go with the gamble and hope for the best. At the end of the day I can at least say I went with what I thought was best.
>>717774064 >the Dems approach radical Islam is attrocious It's smarter than it seems. I don't agree with it but I do understand it and I also don't claim to be an expert on the Middle East- whereas they have access to said experts.
The idea is memetic warfare- something terrorist groups are relying on considerably. Calling it "violent criminals" instead of saying "Islamic extremism" avoids a "us vs them" dichotomy that terrorist groups are trying to encourage. If you say "this was just a deluded nutjob acting on his own" instead of a "coordinated successful attack by a zealous religious organization who we think is evil" you are less likely to draw sympathy towards anyone who identifies more with Islam than counterterrorism operations.
Its a difficult problem- how to fight an enemy that isn't afraid to die. Because you can't just demonstrate to them with increased certainty they will be destroyed- enough to deter most military threats in history. You have to stop characterizing them as martyrs- and calling them a "radical islamic terrorist" legitimizes their claim to martyrdom. Its what the enemy of a jihad would call them. But calling them "just another criminal" shows their insignificance in the grand scheme- which is the real message you want to portray. That when you die, nothing will change. Everything will continue on as normal. You're just another dead punk who assholishly murdered a handful of people on his way out.
>>717772756 The American revolution was an illegal revolution, but it's not about legality, it's about being able to take and defend occupied land. If you can defend it militarily, it's yours, legal or not. Now fight me.
>>717774064 I'd like to Shia's to have power in Iraq and the Ayatollah being in power in the same way a King and the church was. I believe that would challenge an ideological revolution in Iran since Iranians already love Americans (almost the entire world doesn't know this fact), and that would pose a threat to the Iranian government to change its divisions/tension with the US and would ultimately be on the morally wrong side of war since it would pour outcry for the US to intervene and be welcomed by the US militarily. I imagine the Shia political dictators should have almost the same role the Saudi's already have the US. It would lead to such dictators having a say in US politics, consecutive purchases of cheap oil from both Iraq and Saudi Arabia, and you would have two middle-east nations both Shia and Sunni on the backyard of the Iranian government. Perhaps even invoke a coup d'etat so long as they have the Ayatollah's support to throw in.
The Kurds, while they may have been the caboose of having anything and always lived in oppression, they do have the willingness to fight for what they believe in, but since no one likes them, that might lead to further tensions in the middle-east if they only allies they have is the US.
I know there's probably other reasons the Kurds might be a good idea that I'm not aware of. I don't think that I have the superior information or strategy, but I do think that if we could get Sunnis unquestionably on the side of the US, it would be easy to reform, revolt, or militarily invade Iran and have an ongoing flow of oil production for the US economy. But again, I could be wrong.
>>717776707 Thanks for the (You) I suppose I should specify. Progressives' approach to radical Islam is attrocious.
Instead of merely addressing the fact that certain attackers are Islamic, they result to arguing a straw man that no one has erected. "it's not all Muslims. It's like saying Dylan Roof represents all white people."
While I agree we shouldn't engage in memetics like that, we should still speak honestly about it and not jump to every point in AiU's regressive agenda.
>>717776664 Well, on the business end- what you really need is a network. That's the reality. Not amount of education lets you outguess a market. You need capital, but a good network takes care of that (investment partners, angel investors, etc). Lots of rich people go broke and get rich again because they have the relevant "skill set". The reality is they know people who can get shit done. Knowing people is the one and only way to get rich. 99% of a CEO's job is drinking with other motherfuckers and impressing them. Then everybody trades favors and tips. The real value of the Ivy League coastal elite is the network. Facts don't change based on where you learn it.
For my part, I voted Johnson. Partly because I didn't think Trump would win nationally. Partly because Trump winning in my flyover state was a foregone conclusion. And mostly because this was the first real chance to see a third party candidate get federal recognition.
The real problem is the duopoly. Kudos to Trump for bulldozing through the duopoly- but Trump is ultimately a fragile man in a nest of vipers. Not surprising to me he's still living in Trump Tower instead of DC. But if the people saw a 3rd party could actually succeed- that would last a century or so- at least until the snakes took root in the new party, which is inevitable.
>>717778632 >Trump winning in my flyover state was a foregone conclusion
This. I live in Kansas. I would have bet my life savings Trump was winning Kansas without being nervous at all. Hillary had no chance at all. So voting 3rd party seemed like a good choice to me just so they could get some more votes and maybe have a stronger showing next election.
>>717778736 >We need us vs them No, there is only us. There is no them. That is the meme which must prevail in order for this issue to go extinct.
We are everyone. You are a lone idiot in a turban. That is the end of the story.
And furthermore it is more or less already the reality. Overwhelmingly, a person is more likely to be against islamic extremism than for it. Its overwhelmingly the default. So why even ask people which side they are on? All that will do is make people question it, and some angry autist perma-virgin muslim boys are going to decide they want to be glorified killers if you offer it to them as an option. So why are you offering it?
There is no "them". Only "us". "They" are not a group. "They" are merely sad, shitty, repressed faggots.
>>717778843 >The criticism I'd have for the GOP in regards to islam is their scorched-earth policy
Yes, unfortunately this is true. As satisfying as it would be to turn all that sand to glass, it doesn't solve the problem.
>>717766854 >he was the least worst >he mentioned issues that concern me and offered bullshit solutions for applause >he had every advantage in an economic and legal system and still managed to lose occasionally >he is loud >everyone likes him >he is louder than other people >everyone hates him >he's not a career politician and I will spend a paragraph not explaining why that's a plus. >he is shameless
well you were right about being attacked for your beliefs at least.
>>717778843 I'm not saying the GOP isn't worse. Even though I agree that Islam should be addressed as the uniquely dangerous threat to Western civilization that it has continually demonstrated itself to be, I don't think we should shut down all Muslim immigration.
The reason I'm criticizing progressives is because I'm on the left. I'm a left leaning libertarian and people on the far left need to get their shit together. They're the bigger problem for me. The GOP has its own set of issues, but I'll let the people on the right address their own side.
>>717768911 I'm a Zionist, but I loved Obama and am sad he didn't push his agenda hard enough to make more changes happen.
Different Zionists have different ideas of what it will take to make Israel not dead. King Bibi seems to think it involves creating more refugees and further pissing off... everyone. But Likud is still in power because they have the Hasidic vote (muh welfare).
Republicans support Zionism for two reasons, first it means less Jews in America (muh Cuntry) and second it forwards what they think will be the requirements for Armageddon. A large percentage of the GOP actually does its best to bring about the Second Coming and end of the world, and nothing else matters more.
>>717767556 The GOP is pro-semitic. But many of the retarded white nationalists, conspiracy theorists,and rednecks that vote for them are anti-semitic. Just another example of cognitive dissonance at its finest.
>>717764071 4th gen legal Mexican on my mother's side. For those who don't know, legal Mexicans and those of legal descent hate illegals, and PE Trump doesn't want them here. PE Trump also proposed a solution for rapefugees, which means not letting them in. Having lived in an American Left-Wing shit hole full of crime and high taxes, I cannot disagree with a pro-gun, antioffshore/tax overkill candidate. Furthermore, being an American youth is annoying when you have retarded millenials acting like the conservative boogeymen they hate and demonizing everything against them while the White House backs them up as the status quo. Overall, PE Trump is the political bran muffin we need to force both parties to reconfigure themselves, while encouraging better chances of third parties.
>>717783124 I'm 3rd gen hispanic and I couldn't agree more. I hated Bush, voted for Obama and regretted it. Seems like we need something different who isn't a conventional Republican.
Also, do you find it annoying that movies and TV shows constantly portray us constantly calling our friends "amigo" while speaking English? I don't know anyone that says that unless they're speaking in Spanish.
>>717785252 It is your kind of lack of critical thinking, low-information voting that is going to make the next 4 or 8 years a nightmare. You dont choose a President because of bumper sticker thinking "we need something different". You dont choose a President without thinking through the policy proposals the guy is putting out. You dont elect a President who waves his hands and goes "I'll Make America great again" without a single specific plan. Disengaged, no-memory voters deserve a disengaged self-aggrandizing President -- he is a mirror reflecting the voters.
>>717786243 He has multiple plans, some of which have already come to fruition and saved thousands of jobs.
Your problem is you just want to try and shout down the plans he does have as "racist, bigotted, misogynistic" when they're nothing of the sort.
Border walls on the north and south borders to protect US sovereignty and ensure that ILLEGAL ALIENS don't cross our borders on a whim (not ALL mexicans, not ALL of anbody, but ALL people breaking the law)
Repealing Common Core which has proven to be a total failure for public education (ask any teacher anywhere)
Repealing Obamacare so young people aren't FORCED to buy plans that include shit they don't need.
Opening healthcare competition across state lines which Obamacare RESTRICTED completely and resulted in monopolies being formed and prices sky-rocketing.
People saw through the bullshit and the name-calling which is why he won.
Re-negotiating NAFTA to give the US more leverage and a better position than Clinton left us with.
Cleaning the slate with Russia to actual have a decent international relationship with them after Obama and Hillary drove it into the ground. Do you even remember how bad they both failed at the "Russian reset"? It's literally the reason Putin can't stand them today.
Tell me how any of that is bad or racist or bigotted exactly? It's not unless you have more vested interest in another country and your interests aren't in the US in which case who cares what you think? Move to that other place.
People need to stop listening to the bullshit Mtv is spoonfeeding you and get some common fucking sense tbh. You can either spend 4 years bitching, whining and accomplishing nothing (in which case you will be generally ignored) or get on board and actually get behind some of his plans which are clearly aimed at improving everyone's lives.
It's not even a repub/dem thing, you just don't want to give the guy a chance which just shows what an immature faggot you are tbh.
North Korea flexes and launches a failed rocket into the ocean then saber rattles any time they run out of food and need another humanitarian drop from the US or UN to feed their starving people. It's been a pretty "common" cycle in the past 10 years if you keep up with what's going on.
It's basically like the world keeping their deformed elephant-man cousin locked in a closet and anytime he bangs on the door you just slide a plate of tendies under the crack to shut him up for another hour.
>>717789279 I say "my man" and I'm from the Midwest. As far as ethnic represenation goes, race is the topic I am least concerned about because of how often the American left throws it around. Everyone is racist, whites are bad, we have to embrace all cultures; fuck that, all the race baiting does is cause more problems, not solve them.
>>717764071 I don't. I'm sane and I supported Bernie. Now we are going to talk about bullshit for four years while the deadline for "LAST POSSIBLE POINT OF DOING ANYTHING BEFORE THE NEXT DISASTER ON THE PROPORTIONS OF THE BLACK PLAGUE" draws ever closer. Gonna be neat when disaster strikes, wonder what the fuck I am going to do...
At least the same way that white folks from the south in the 1920s were racist. True, not all of them were lynching niggers and zoidbergs and as with any group there was a varied distribution of opinions... but white folks from the south in the 1920s were pretty racist. they were. they were.
At least the same way that white folks from the south in the 1920s were racist. True, not all of them were lynching niggers and zoidbergs and as with any group there was a varied distribution of opinions... but white folks from the south in the 1920s were preeeeeeeeeeetty racist. they were. they were.
>>717764071 because I believe him when he says he wants to work with Russia and destroy ISIS.
because no one can answer directly and to the point when you ask what have the Russians done that they deserve to be invaded?
they fought on our side in WWI. we invaded Russia in the middle of their revolution. they basically won WWII for us. they repeatedly offered to get rid of their entire nuke arsenal during the cold war and of course we said no because we needed ours to fuck all.
you people have been brain washed about the Russians.
>>717791566 Exactly this. The hypocrisy on the left is fucking palpable and the same ones up in arms about the whole Russian thing and feel like we should intervene in Syria to save those people are the same faggots who said 10 years ago we have no business intervening in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to help the people.
That or they're just too young to think for themselves. Either way, they just continue to make themselves look like massive idiots when they can't say with a straight face WHY they're angry at Russia or HOW they know they hacked us without using the words "because the CIA said so." That should throw up a TON of red flags to anyone with half a brain since they are literally in the business of regime change.
>>717791675 you don't know what you're talking about, if trump got the least amount of votes then how did he beat hillary hmm? people are figuring out that PC is bullshit and violates the first amendment, all you c-ucks could talk about during the election was how trump didn't stand a chance and now that he's prez you're STILL burying you're heads in the sand, fucking LMAO
even a year ago you couldn't get away with saying anything about niggers or whatever, now we have a president whose openlly talking about kicking out the spics. PC is dying and you c-ucks killed it
>>717792032 It's weird you weren't responding to me when you literally responded to my post. You should stop pretending like you know what you're talking about.
China has a few aircraft carriers, and? Wars are won by air superiority and we 50 drones for every one of their aircraft carriers not even to bring up our own aircraft carriers and destroyers. China is not a formidable threat and their "million man army" isn't that impressive when they don't possess the logistics to move those million soldiers anywhere.
Maybe do some research instead of falling back on "hurr durr reading comprehension" meme like a basic reddit faggot trying to save face. Fucking faggots play an hour of Zombies and think they know military strategy, shit is just sad tbqh.
>>717792044 >can't say with a straight face WHY they're angry at Russia or HOW they know they hacked us without using the words "because the CIA said so." That should throw up a TON of red flags to anyone with half a brain since they are literally in the business of regime change.
>>717792472 Yeah, great rebuttal there. You're basically proving my point.
Are we pretending the CIA didn't lie for 20 years about starting the crack epidemic or they didn't lie about Iran Contra? The CIA didn't oust Saddam and "liberate" Libya? Ffs a month ago, the left was crying about how corrupt the FBI was for wanting to prosecute HRC now, magically, they take their word alone at face value?
It's amazing how the people believing this shit don't realize how stupid they look to everyone else or just how quickly you tards forget history, get out of your bubble sometime. The rest of the country is laughing at you.
>>717790557 >food production cannot keep up with population growth False. Birth rates in almost every major country are well below 2 per couple. The US is standing on a barely stable 2.1, meaning very small growth. Almost all of Europe is below 2, meaning population will decline significantly in a single generation. Japan is at something ridiculous like .6. This means in one generation literally 70% of them will die off.
There isn't even a good incentive for countries to outpopulate eachother. That's the reason China's population soared under Mao. They assumed they would be invincible if they did. U.S. can still destroy them and they know that. Now they're working on getting the population down and getting more efficient GDP.
The problem is correcting itself. Stop this antihumanity bullshit.
>>717791073 Everyone everywhere is always racist. Racism is stereotyping. Stereotyping is linguistically identical to noun formation. It's the statistical association of data. It is impossible to use language without being racist.
>>717769361 >muh intelligence community You know, it's interesting because there's actually been no outcry from the intelligence community. If you actually read the "oy vey, the DNC was haxxed" articles, somewhere in there there's a short admission that this is all just luegenpresse specularion based on the baseless ramblings of a faction at the CIA. The FBI has said nothing. There's been no official report. There's no evidence linking Putin and Assange other than that Assange is pro-Trump and Trump is supposedly a Manchurian candidate.
Trump is far more kiked than I would have liked, but the media is just making hay.
>>717793872 Hatred has nothing to do with it. This is merely descriptivist linguistics. Allegations of racism correspond directly with common usage of stereotypes involving race. Stereotypes involving animals species such as "birds fly" do not receive the same sort of indignant response of "FUCK YOU PENGUINS DONT FLY YOU RACIST". But it is exactly a stereotype. As is "mosquitoes carry the west nile virus". Nobody objects "FUCK YOU LESS THAN 1% ACTUALLY HAVE IT YOU BIGOT". It still is exactly true and relevant that mosquitoes are capable of carrying and spreading the west nile virus whereas house flies are not.
However the stereotype "black men are more likely to commit crimes" is met with all sorts of indignation, despite being true by the left's own admission. Of course its true. Black people are stuck in economic ghettos. Their low property values result in low property taxes which is how local education systems are funded. Therefore they receive the poorest education and have the fewest economic opportunities. Being poor, they commit crimes. This has been the case for almost all crime in all history in every civilization. Having comitted crimes, their criminal record permanently bars them from any further employment, ensuring their only option upon release is additional crime.
So it is absolutely true that black men are more likely to rob you. People implictly know this, and they form the appropriate stereotype. Just because there is a bird that doesn't fly, or that even most mosquitoes don't carry the west nile virus, doesn't change the fact that you are far more likely to be harmed by this group instead of any the others.
We form and articulate this stereotype like we would any other noun formation. Tigers have stripes, despite albino stripeless tigers existing. And black people are criminals, despite most of them leading honest lives.
But anyone who cognizes this observation is a racist- which is literally everyone.
>>717794738 Don't try to pass off your batshit crazy theories as "fact."
-Proof Assange works FOR Russia -Proof Wikileaks is Russian-controlled -Proof that Wikileaks did have dirt on Trump or the entire GOP -Proof that Assange is actively "campaigning for Trump" -Proof Snowden has even weighed in the Assange/Trump "relationship" if there is one.
You're lacking all these things and you're full of shit. Have a nice day.
>>717794989 wikileaks made a massive shift in october. no more pgp keys, twitter was insanely different even up to recently when they offered a $20k award fo info critical of obama administration. that is at the very least really strange
>>717795549 Most ducks don't lay eggs. 50% of ducks are male. 5% of female ducks are sterile. Nonetheless it is true "ducks lay eggs".
It has nothing to do with "most of them". Majorities have nothing to do with stereotype formation. 99% of mosquitoes don't have West Nile, yet it is true mosquitoes carry west nile. 95% of books published are paperback, yet "books are paperback" is a weird sentence most people would register as untrue. An unusually large percentage of Canadians are left handed compared to global population, but we don't say "Canadians are left handed" either.
Noun formation does not follow majorities or even exceptionally large representations (for instance 1% of mosquitoes is large compared to 0% of houseflies). What it does follow is relevance and identifying characteristics.
Tigers have stripes is identifying. Peacocks are brightly colored, even though only the males are.
If you are interested, look up studies by S. Gelman and S.J. Leslie. It more accurately summarizes the relevant characteristics that form "bare plural generics"- which is the linguistic moniker for stereotypes and noun formation in general.
>>717796230 >super mad >triggered more than any sjw's been in earth's history >shitting itself >pissing itself >seizures >no more chicken tendies for you, fattie >vomiting >flailing arms >virtue-signaling
>>717795752 The stereotype principles I'm applying only function when its a singular noun formation, such as "blacks", "asians", "mexicans", "niggers", "rednecks", etc.
Once you say "Asian American" or "Republican Whites" it ceases to be a thesis about noun formation. You're now specifying a category by adjective. Indeed, the need for an adjective (or even more strongly, a prepositional phrase such as "whites from red states") indicates this is not a typical property of the noun. For example, we say "flightless bird", but we never say "flying bird".
Furthermore, its important to the integrity of the stereotype that you do not quantify it.
"All blacks are criminals" is hyperbole at best, idiocy at worst.
"Most blacks are criminals" is misinformed.
But "blacks are criminals" is true.
It may be true to say "Americans are ignorant" because our secondary education is kinda shit (mostly because of the aforementioned property value linkage). But our higher education is the envy of the world, and in many many fields we are the global leader in tech and research. So its a bit confusing as to whether or not Americans are dumb.
"Americans are fat" is broadly true. Its an identifying characteristic and it applies to the majority.
"Muslims are violent" is also true. Much like mosquitoes carry the west nile virus. Maybe only 1% of muslims are violent, but you're still far more likely to be killed in the name of Allah than you are in the name of Guan Yin.
>>717775098 I just want to be clear that I don't necessarily support our level of military funding, but the meme of >look at this household thing the military pays 20 times the cost I do for is straight up dumb.
The military pays $650 for a toilet seat because it's a toilet seat made by a company that specializes in making special shatter resistant polymers and engineering "household" items to fail in a way that isn't dangerous.
When a bomb suddenly goes off on the deck of your battleship, the extra $630 you spent on a toilet seat means the toilet seat hasn't turned into deadly shrapnel.
I quite honestly believe that Trump understands the age we live in and the current (global) political issues better that "career-politicians". He isn't corrupted by political correctness, globalism, multiculturalism, cultural marxism or rigid consensus politics.
Plus he pisses off all the people who piss me off.
>>717797877 Assange said he got his info from a DNC insider already.
CIA says he did without any evidence for us to see.
Assange- random guy in an ecuador basement whose agenda has been fairly neutral since wikileaks inception (he threw the repubs under the bus 7 years ago for example). At best, his end goal would be to sell more books?
CIA- intelligence agency known for lying and who's multi-billion budget is used for that specifically. Their agenda is to increase said budget under any administration, foster regime change, and support other agencies like the NSA who lied and said they weren't spying on citizens until they were caught doing exactly that. CIA also lied about the crack epidemic and Iran Contra for over a decade to the American people. They have a track record of lying to us.
Be honest with yourself and truly objective. At this point in time with the information we have available to us, who is MORE likely to be lying and (if you choose to believe it's Assange) what could he gain from lying about it?
Your position is full of speculation that you have to put an enormous amount of faith into to believe. The stuff I outlined above is just fact. There's a huge difference.
Russia, China and other countries are pen-testing our systems all the time just like the US has hundreds of people always pen-testing their systems as well. Just because that's now common knowledge does not mean that this specific chain of events definitively took place.
>>717793645 yeah.... but no. Sure, everyone are racist to a degree, and sure racism is stereotyping, but there are some elements which resides in the 1920s american racism which are missing from the racism of the 2000s.
Like the lynching, which while not the most alluring to the majority of the 1920s southerners- was, at worst, met with a shrug. I (would like to) believe that a lynching done today by americans- would make almost everyone gasp with horror.
Same goes for for not admitting jews to universities, spitting on the floor and chasing off blacks from your saloon. Southerners from the 1920s were not very nice bunch, even if only a few of them actually went out and beat up Ikes.
>>717799199 >>717798857 Or more relevantly everyone hurt in recent race riots. Or the post-election riots. But "riot" is necessarily urban isn't it? What would you call a rural riot? A large group of people get together to commit violent crimes... hmm... what's the word I'm looking for... lyn... lync... hmm... ends with "mob" if I recall correctly.
Less violently, but still alarming- the people who lose their jobs and are blacklisted over PC witch-hunts.
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