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Is clean water a privilege or a right? I'd like to hear

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Is clean water a privilege or a right?
I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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>>717685194
Right, we all live under governments and we all have duties. If we pay taxes the least the government can do is grant water for the people
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clean water should be a fundamental human right everywhere, but there are numerous places where it is treated like a privilege. usually poverty is the cause of that.
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lol @ "clean" water. you mean that shit from the tap that contains fluride and other government mind control toxins? have fun being a SLAVE
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>>717685962
nigga calm down xD

I mean water that doesn't have mud and shit and worms in it
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>>717686033
*sigh* they've already flipped your switch, haven't they?
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>>717686167
is this the matrix?
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>>717686235
you can't fool me, g-man
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IT'S A PRIVILEGE
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Everything is a privlidge. We need to go back to how it was. Men and sticks, women are offered to follow. Shows who the real men are
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>>717686329
yeah, and muscle cars
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>>717685194

Can you die (in the literal sense of the word) If you do not receive any of the aforementioned.

Try drinking sea water, youll dehydrate in seconds.

Try drinking non purified rain water, good luck.

Try drinking your local pond water, enjoy your parasites.

This is what causes clean drinking water to be a right. Same as air that is clear of major pollutants (except the chinese, etc.)
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>>717685194
I dunno if it can be called a "right".
As I understand them, rights can be provided at no cost. For example, right to free speech, right to bear arms, right to a fair trial, etc. They only signify a lack of interference by the government.

Clean water is not always necessarily within the power of the government to provide. If your government can afford it, it should be provided, and it's somewhat higher in priority than a "privilege", but I don't think the term "right" perfectly fits.
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>>717685194
Privilege just like everything else.
I make less than 25k/yr and if you can't afford clean water you don't deserve it.
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>>717686403
lol, what shitty ass country do you live in where you can't drink the rain water?
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>>717686329
It was that way in most cultures for a long time.
With technological advances, it's not a viable way to live anymore.

For example, physical superiority used to matter more before we had guns to equal it out. Now, skill with firearms is much more important than mass, and there's no way to put that genie back in the bottle without getting rid of all guns.
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>>717686525
In some places it's straight up illegal to collect and drink rainwater.
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>>717685194
Whatever! Check your privilege!!
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>>717686580
Are you ten?
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>>717686573
those places are faggots
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>>717686525

non-purified rain water? Just straight from the clouds into your drinking glass?

I would say any major city should avoid drinking the rain water due to air pollutants having an impact on the purity of the water.

There's also dust and other contaminants that you probably won't want in your water.

What the fuck kind of pristine ass country are you in that you are just walking outside with your mouth open when you're thirsty? you fuck.
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>>717685194
It should be a right. Hell here in Canada a government agency has made the case that high speed internet should be an essential service basically saying it's your right to have access to it even in rural areas
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>>717686666
satan stop
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>>717686652
I won't disagree.
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There's no such thing as "right"

The world doesn't owe you anything. You take it.

If you can convince your goverment to give you free clean water, then good for you. If they refuse, either change the goverment or buy your own water.

Wth is this "right" nonsense
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>>717686417

All those rights do come at a cost.

Before you were born many people toiled and labored to produce the entity guaranteeing those rights.

And the struggle to preserve those continues today.

Saying that your right to a fair trial comes at no cost kinda irks me. This is challenged and defended every day.

Cost /= Currency
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>>717686737

I laughed harder than I should have.
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>>717686753
>The world doesn't owe you anything. You take it.
CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIN
THESE WOULDS THEY WILL NOT HEAL
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>>717686666
australia. it's pretty fuckin rad
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>>717686827
Poorfag on foodstamp detected
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>>717685194
IMO neither. You want clean water?...you want water, period? Well fucking find it and fucking clean it.
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>>717686753
No one asked to be born into this world. That's why we have rights. Because it's wrong to force people to "earn" things that they need to survive, when they didn't ask to be here in the first place.
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>>717686790
Saying it's a right is an insult to those who provide and defend it.
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>>717685194
Its a necesity
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>>717686829

>goes to drink local watering hole
>dip face in for a quick splash to wet the whistle
>CRIKEY MATE A CROCK GOT ME BY THE TONGUE
>Proceed to death roll the crock, the tables have turned
>crock becomes decapitated
>new wall mount

Is this how you Aussies go about drinking when your water pump becomes clogged with rotting kangaroo carcasses? This is need to know.
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>>717686997
The go die and back to not existing. We don't want lazy faggots like you here either
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>>717686977
You obviously have no idea how a society works.
The people who take what they want are called criminals. Despite how you might think things work there are rules to be followed.
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>>717687122
yeh pretty much
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>>717686753
Not everyone has the power to force the change necessary to improve their living conditions. We have these things called "rights" to protect those people. It is easy to say they're unimportant when you're in a good place financially, but you or your descendants could easily end up relying on the concepts of rights to ensure a decent quality of life.

>>717686790
True, a fair trial does have costs, just like an unfair one does.
I don't actually know the specifics of what defines a fair trial other than the basics, so I can't actually comment much.
But free speech/right to bear arms are things that require only noninterference by the government. I want to say all our rights fundamentally require a lack of interference, but I don't actually have enough evidence to make that claim, so it's probably wrong.

>>717687063
>implying rights aren't something to be defended at all costs

>>717686829
Hah trick answer it doesn't rain in Australia
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>>717687122
only thing i would do different would be to turn the wall mount into a bottle opener
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>>717686827
I chucked
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>>717687181
Who the fuck says to take it illegally?
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>>717686329
>>717686417
>>717686505
>>717686753
>I don't know what rights are

Rights are man-made agreements, laws or rules or even just socially accepted norms that humanity or government agree on, typically enforced by law.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Fucking children I swear to god.

As for water, most humans learned a long time ago that maintaining and providing access to clean water benefits society as a whole and thus makes humanity better off collectively. This is also why we have law, money and tons of other things.

The whole american mindset of "me before you" only works when you still live in a cave and scavenge from your neighbour and only makes sense when you're 10 years old.

Grow up.
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>>717687267
Are you defending those rights?

Or are you just enjoying it claiming it's your god (or xenu or whatever) given right to have it. It's a natural state of being
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>>717685194

it's a liquid you uneducated faggot
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>>717685962
>fluoride
>mind control substance
I don't see why they'd spend energy in controlling a mind as feeble as yours.
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i have a right to these dubz...
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>Right: something paid for

>Privilege: something paid for

>Necessity: the factor determining the price you will pay for your right and privilege
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>>717687599
If you're asking if I wake up every morning, pull on my chainmail, and go fighting for human rights, no, I don't do that.

I just do what most people do. I pay taxes to sustain an entity charged with maintaining its citizens' rights, and I keep an eye out for instances of that entity failing to do what it was made to do.

As for what I'd do if I believed the government wasn't preserving the rights of the people, well, I haven't been convinced that that has happened yet, so I don't know.
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>>717687281

Your trophy is to do with as you please.
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>>717687817
if i wanted a shitty comeback, i would ask your faggot dad to shit on my chest
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>>717685962
>blackandwhitefishhook.tiff
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>>717685962

STAY WOKE MUH NIGGAZ
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>>717686505
>You don't deserve water
>is sick because no clean water
>can't work
>can't get healthy
>need to have a job to deserve having clean water
>sick
Your argument doesn't even work in one step, what is this, kindergarten?
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>>717685194
you can make the same point about air

its not a right, but if your government cant provide it, then its a horrible government.
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>>717687528
>grow up
>sperging out this hard

You're right. There are rights and there are privileges. While the US constitution guarantees the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness it says nothing about clean water.

The fact we have to pay a water bill obviously means we don't have a "right" to clean water. Oh sure we could not pay our water bill and have to get water from the stream which we'd have to boil our self but that's the price of not being able to afford your water bill.

Everything comes at a price and nothing is an inherent "right" except death and taxes.
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>>717687972
You display your mental illness on /b/, I'm quite surprised you're answering this, I mean, I must be your government trying to trick you. This is the internet, something they technically can control. But instead, you believe that fluoride controls minds...? Because someone on the internet told you so? Man, you must be such a highly educated faggot.
>has no idea what fluoride even is
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>>717688264
>the right to life
>nothing about clean water
pick one faggot.
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>>717687528
Tru
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>>717686978
Or negotiate for it.

That's the closest anyone comes to getting "rights", as most people seem to understand them. They, or someone in their place, negotiates to have it provided for them... or they go and take it for themselves.
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>>717685194
Neither.
Clean water is a modern invention. To call it a privilege is to overstate the case, like calling electricity a privilege. On the other hand, calling anything a right means some other person has an obligation to supply it to you, and that's manifestly bullshit.
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>>717688274
nobody on the internet told me anything. i figured it out in a deep state of meditation, but you wouldn't know anything about expanding ones mind, would you? i have written complex mathematical formulas to prove it, so don't even try to question my knowledge
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>>717688319
Right to life doesn't mean right to the things to keep you alive.
You're not going to be slain in the street just because someone feels like it. That's what the right to life is. That if you can live you will be able to without fear of death at the hand of your government.

If right to life included all basic needs then everyone in America would have a house, car, paycheck and endless food.
Fortunately this isn't how the world works and you obviously don't understand that.
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>>717685835
Is it your right for other people to work to provide you with clean water?
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>>717687181
yeah and those rules include getting a fucking job and paying for shit instead of just labeling anything you want but can't afford a "right" just because other people have it.
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>>717688606
That's the idea in the "rights" regime: I have a right to slave labor. Other people must work to provide me with things for no money.
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>>717685194
Its a right that few people over the world have the privilege to.
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>>717687528
Who said anything about scavenging from your neighbors?

If I go out and kill a deer on my own that's not taking from someone else if the other person is too lazy or unwilling to go do the same thing and that other person has no "right" to eat that food just because they choose to be a lazy faggot.

Fuck off with your commie talk and shove it up your ass.
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>>717688720
Do you actually believe that?
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>>717687528
>my rights are whatever ppl decided for me to have. I have no oppinion of my own.
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>>717688873
I believe that is what people who call things a "right" believe. But no, I think the idea that other people have some moral obligation to provide me with things free of charge is absolute horseshit.
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>>717685194

it's not a right unless it's dictated in your area.

it's not a right in silicon valley; there, when you pay enormous prices for rent you move into an apartment and your welcome packet tells you to NOT drink the water; the same water you bathe with. in arizona, our water comes from the colorado mountains and along the way, cows and shit fall into the fake river and die that brings it here and they filter it and chlorinate it and it's safe to drink.
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>>717685962
That's nothing compared to the chemtrails in the sky.
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if youre dying on the street, its not your right to have clean water. You should feel privileged if someone even gives it to you. Those people earned that clean water.
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>>717685194
it's a right as is any other life-prolonging thing
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>>717685194
Clean water is neither a privilege or a right, you have to find it or pay for it on your own or you don't get any.
3rd world countries can boil and purify water, but they're just too fucking stupid to figure out the process
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>>717689101
>it's a right as is any other life-prolonging thing
>people who take more vacations tend to live longer
>ergo, I have a right to nice vacations
>the state must send me to Hawaii
That kind of logic is cancerous
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>>717689101
Yeah! we should all have a hyperbaric chamber like micheal jackson! And i demand free drugs too! because im a living human being!

>this is how the left thinks
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>>717689101
I want all of my life extending surgeries to be paid for by the state. All of them including those that I have created by my own choices like lung cancer and stomach cancer.
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>>717689101
10/10 bait
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>>717686554

Stupid fuck. What about when the first man picked up the first rock, or a stick? What about the first motherfucker that sharpened a point on that stick? Get rid of all guns, and we would still be in a technological age.
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>>717689249
i was thinking food oxygen and water but alright
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>>717689101
I've beaten my liver to oblivion by drinking hard liquor all my life, guess it's my right to force someone else to give me a chunk of their liver since it will prolong my life.

Fuck off faggot.
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>>717689264
No problem. The research scientists who invented the drug don't have mortgages or cars or any bills, so they are happy to work for free, and of course the chemicals that go into the meds are all gathered without cost by people who don't expect to be paid for their labor. No one in manufacturing or distribution expects to be paid, and the machines they use are all free to them, as is the power to run them. So there is absolutely no reason why your meds should not be 100% free.
>liberal logic
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>>717689342
in decent first world countries, this actually happens
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>>717689437
>>>717689101
>ANY other life prolonging thing

>oh I meant food, water, and oxygen

ok, idiot.
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>>717689536
Which ones?
Because America doesn't do this.
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>>717689559
stfu and dont get reactive. kek at u faggots digging so deep
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>>717686329
But those times were shit.
We got hd porn now, there's no going back it's time to stick it out
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>>717689582
i said DECENT first world countries. like canada, australia, sweden, norway etc.
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>>717685194

actually both. A right for everybody, but a privilige to be able to fight for this right and achieve it.
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>>717688274
Flouride is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing.
Pic not related.
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>>717686554
Pandor doesnt go back in he only comes out.
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Lol, let's see how many of you retards take to the streets claiming water is a right when Nestle and the likes keep it all for themselves to sell at obscene amounts of money
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>>717686790

So man created God? Because those are God-given rights, not guaranteed by the government.
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>>717689264
>>717689342
>>717689408
>>717689441

all triggered like bitches. wasnt thinking any scenarios u fucks thought of
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>>717686617
Idiot. 14 and a half faggot
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>>717689626
>digging so deep

Nigger, you literally said "ANY", thats face value you retard.
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>>717689342
YOU'RE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DO THIS FOR YOU? why do you fuckers bother paying tax?
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>>717689784
m-mods?
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>>717689671
>leaf land where I'll wait 6 months because of a broken arm
>straya go to hospital only to die via spider bite while in hospital
>sweden get raped by muzzies in the hospital

I don't got anything against Norway they might be alright.
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>>717689671
>first world countries. like canada
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>>717686753
I guess you don't pay taxes. If you did, you'd know what a right is.
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>>717689830
Taxes go to public works and paying off our debt. As well as more bang sticks.

FIAT currency is a bitch m8.
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>>717689830
To pay the police to shoot you parasites on sight
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>>717689783
oh thank goodness you cleared that up. I almost thought the word "any" ment anything.

I should of been able to mind read you through the internet to understand what you ment, my bad.
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>>717689808
i forgot that people consider drugs and other stupid shit a means of longevity. aside from happiness, all we need is food water and oxygen. dumb fucks
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>>717689862
>>717689840
lol, i guess thats the american education system for ya.
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>>717685194
>basic necessities of life not a basic human right
>suicide is illegal
Make up your mind, governments.
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>>717690016
and so go to a farm and just take the food for free
I'm sure the farmer who broke his back growing the food won't mind you helping yourself to the literal fruits of his labor without paying him
and that water... shoot, the pipes that bring it to your house were just found that way, and the volunteers at the water company don't expect salaries.
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>>717690016
>people this dumb exist

Everytime you post youre just digging a deeper hole for yourself.
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>>717689626
No one's reactive, you basically just walked into an adult conversation with a blinking sign that reads "I'm a Moron." Good job. Fucking kids can't even form a logical thought and wonder why people don't take them seriously.
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>>717689783
That just proves your stupidity

Why the fuck are you proud to be a moron? To the point of making a post, just to say that you're an idiot. Wth?
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>>717690115
>not understanding why suicide is technically illegal
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>>717690096

Scandonigger detected
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>>717690096
Maybe if U.S. hospitals on the Canadian border weren't flooded with Canadian patients trying to get healthcare in a timely manner, you'd have a point.
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>>717690160
If the farmer ha a broke back from growing all that food, how is he going to stop you?
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>>717690202
>not understanding why that's still a hell of a mixed message to send people
"You can't kill yourself, you have to live."
"You can't have basic necessities, you didn't earn them."
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>>717690248
not even close my hirsute friend
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>>717690202

Smug retort. No explanation necessary.
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>>717690016
Let's see how long you can live without shelter from the elements

Apparently you can run around naked in winter and be fine

Or did your mentally challenged brain not think of that too?
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>>717685194
neither one. if you do something to get clear water, you have it. if you don't do anything and there is no water, you will die. how can it be a right? and how can it be a privilege. you just need it and the earth has it more or less
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what the fuck are you all calling each other idiots for? seriously?

>>717685194
Clean water itself is not a right.
The collection, treatment and consumption of water is a right that everyone should have.

As some have mentioned, within some 'societies' you cannot do this, and MUST rely on multinationals to provide you with this service, even if you would otherwise be capable of administering your own water supply.

Therefore through the monopoly of water supplies in urbanized areas, and by extension, clean water should indeed be free for all...

...but still not a 'right'.
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>>717690286
what is an idiom?
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>>717690271
ooooooooo, thats some top notch investigative journalism there, cheech.
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>>717690312
Not a mixed message at all.
"We expect you to provide for yourself" is not antithetical to "Life has value."
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>>717689730

Is that Peter Dinklage?
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>>717690451
Not at all. It simply shows what even a fuckwit who thinks Canadian healthcare is first world can find out in .4 seconds on google.
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>>717690488
"If you don't see the value in life, we'll lock you up for 2 weeks on watch."
"You can't afford the necessary things to live? Tough shit, deal with it."


"Your life has value, now act like it, because we don't give a shit unless something is wrong."
And on top of that, do you know how fucking expensive being on suicide watch is?
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>>717688506
I'm questioning your hippy maths, show your working faggot
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>>717690551
lol, i took your advice and spent .4 seconds on google.
http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.html
written by an actual doctor MD and MS, not some sensationalist news journalist writng for thier shitty blog.
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>>717690435
Do you know a word for taking an idiom intentionally literal for comedic value?
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>>717690801
>do you know how fucking expensive being on suicide watch is?
how much did it set you back?

>>717690984
>aarp
kek
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>>717690488
This moron thinks suicide is illegal because governments think "life has value."

BAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
wew it must be great to be that fucking naive.

suicide is illegal because citizens are basically a pack of batteries to government. They've already predicted that "x" citizen will provide "y" amount of output for them over their lifetime through labor, work, whatever you want to call it. You taking yourself out of the picture earlier than expected screws up their numbers and it pisses them off like someone buying a pack of 5 "AA" batteries from the store and 1 of them being dead right out of the box.

That's really all there is to it. If you think any government has an intrinsic belief in the "value of life" you should read about hiroshima or the trail of tears or literally any other country's dirty laundry. Your imagination is great though.
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>>717691042
autism
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>>717685962
fluoride? you mean the stuff that is required to be added to Israel's tap water? I'm pretty sure if the jews use it on themselves, then that shit's pretty much kosher
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>>717685194
It's a right. Anybody who says otherwise is setting a dangerous precedent. Americans live in a country where owning a gun is a right ffs. Water is of far greater importance.
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>>717690856
unfortunately i can not, the combined processing power of the entire internet couldn't properly convey the complexity of my formulas, and what chance do you have of comprehending my mathematical genius? zero.
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>>717691048
>as opposed to a shitty cnn blog, mlive.com, windsorstar, and "crainsdetroit.com"
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>>717685194
how is it not an urban right when you'd DIE otherwise.
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>>717691331
Since when is owning a gun a right?

Where's my free gun then?
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>>717691465
Is someone physically forcing you to live in the city?

Water is a product like anything else. Barter for it or buy it. Welcome to society, faggot.
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>>717691502
Owning a gun is literally a right in your country. Don't be so obtuse.
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>>717691048
A basic ambulance ride STARTS at 600, plus equipment and distance. That's just getting there. An IV seems to be upwards of 100 (costs about $1 to make). I'm not positive on the grand total. I was a minor at the time, and my credit rating was temporarily fucked (as a MINOR) because the insurance didn't pay for the ambulance ride until someone called and bitched at them. That seems perfectly reasonable, right?
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>>717691646
It's called the right to bear arms you idiot

Not the right to own a gun

Nobody's stopping you from drinking water either, but that's not the debate here
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>>717691331
Are you literally retarded?

You have a right to have access to a gun if you choose to and you can afford it.

Water is no different. You have a right to access it if you choose to and can afford it.

Water bills are a thing. Why do you feel entitled to things that you don't pay for? Even if you got "free water" your taxes would still go up to pay for it. Nothing's ever free, you just want other people to fit the bill for you for whatever reason and that's not the system we live by.

If your taxes alone would go up to individually provide you "free water" would you be ok with that? I would be willing to bet you'd pitch a fit.
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>>717691847
Water literally falls from the sky. Why should people have to pay for it?
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>>717691651
You're focusing on YOUR specific situation and trying to apply it to everyone else.

You realize ambulances are usually private businesses right? You know what existed before private businesses existed to provide a ride to the hospital? Exactly, nothing existed. You young faggots are too uneducated and entitled to realize that shit like ambulances didn't always exist and they're actually a fairly new fucking concept.

Next time you have a heart attack or a stroke, just drive yourself since you have this weird notion that people have some obligation to give a shit about you.

When you pay for an IV you're not just paying for raw materials dipshit. Do you even economics? Nothing you buy anywhere is sold at the cost to make it. Get fucking real and join the real world you imbecile.
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>>717692009
And you're totally welcome to open your mouth and drink those sky water

The water collected, treated, and sent to your home via pipelines; you gotta pay
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>>717692203
Found the capitalist
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>>717691462
that was just the first search results
aarp is a political action committee, fyi
>>717691069
you should try reading history. your posts would be shorter but less retarded.
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>>717692009
You're welcome to go collect it whenever you want. Despite it "being illegal in some places" I can guarantee you its likely not illegal where you are and there are no "water police" on patrol making sure you don't hold a fucking bucket out the window.

Your argument that "but it falls from the sky" doesn't justify you being entitled to systems of infrastructure that cost literally billions of investment and construction that includes transport and purification "just because."

The only people who make these kinds of arguments either don't want to hold down a job or don't grasp the concept that other people actually do and those people expect to be paid for their work/time.
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>>717692295
The government isn't your dad anon. You gotta pay taxes to get the country running.
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>>717692295
As opposed to what? A beggar?
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>>717692078
your country fucking sucks, and you defend it because you don't know any better.
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>>717692295
found the adolescent parasite
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>>717692417
identify your shit tier country then, or are you scared?
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>>717692400
>>717692405
>>717692420
Samefag
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>>717692541
Kek

I can't believe anyone is this dumb. This must be a troll

Or at least will pretend to be one, once he realized how idiotic he sounds
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>>717692348
oh, so the results on the second page of google are where the quality journalism is? im not from north america, so i dont know much about its intricate political views and allegiances, but id trust an article about healthcare written by a doctor over a reporter.
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>>717692348
You know you look really fucking stupid telling someone to "read history" when suicide has only been illegal for about 100 years and for millennia before it was actually considered honorable.

If you're that unprepared for this conversation, just say so and remove yourself instead of making yourself look even more uneducated with every post.

My point stands and you have no way to offer a scholarly rebuttal otherwise. Things like public schooling, training, etc from the time you're born up until 18 is all "investment" on the government's side. Investment with the notion that you, as an adult, will give them RETURN on their investment by becoming a productive citizen and paying taxes etc. When you usurp that by offing yourself and taking away any chance of return on their investment, it pisses them off. Thus, suicide is "illegal."
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Technically its a privelege that at abytime csn be taken away. Clean water as we know it rarely if ever existed in nature as animals will piss and shit in or near it. So our clean water where we can see thru it and not worry of bacteria in it, is indeed a privilege
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>>717692078
Yes, because the only ridiculous healthcare markups are the ones I've listed. You're assuming, generalizing, and just insulting me. Maybe you shouldn't have skipped debate class in college. Let me simplify this.

"People's lives are only worth the money they have."
That's literally what you're defending right now. If you see no problem with that statement, then I'm just wasting my time.
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3rd world countries can fuck off once clean water is no longer available to them. Places like India polluted there own water sources and shouldn't expect to get ours.
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>>717692417
Nothing in my post said anything about what country I'm from or what kind of healthcare system we have.

I made very valid points that you clearly can't refute. Ambulances weren't always a thing and you expect people to give you a free ride to the hospital or something out of the goodness of their heart?

How entitled could you be honestly? You clearly don't have a basic grasp on how the world works.

If we're running on assumptions here, what country DO you live in? And, assuming you're talking about the US being shit-tier because of health care, why didn't you stay wherever you are now instead of coming here for help? Like none of what you're saying makes sense honestly.

You shit talk a country for not giving you everything for nothing, yet you people still live here. What kind of logic is that? If it's so shitty, leave?
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>>717685194
I don't care
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>>717692989
The person you replied to in that post is a different person than the person who you replied to in the post they replied to.

Since you're gonna act all indignant about assumptions, and all.
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>>717692989
Why do Americans get so pissy when people insult their country? Fuck you cunts are weird.
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Absolutely a right. In my opinion basic needs such as air, water, food and shelter must be inalienable rights and healthcare and education should be as well. With the rise of automation, I think we'll see the need and possibly the means of creating free food, clean water, and infinite power for everyone on the planet. If it's not possible or if it doesn't happen I think we'll end up with an enormous socioeconomic divide, where very few people own almost everything, and the masses struggle in poverty to an early grave. We'll see. I'm just speculating.
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>>717685194
RIGHT
>because you can try to play that shit, but we'll just take it from you by force.
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>>717692723
articles about how canadians cross the border to get healthcare, you fucking mong
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>>717692931
Why should I pay for your medical expenses? I don't even know you. wtf?
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>>717692931
I never said "peoples lives are only worth the money they have." You're trying to put words in my mouth to justify your entitled bullshit.

People produce products and offer services.

They sell those products/services at a mark up so they and their own families can eat and buy shit they need/want. They don't do it out of some good-hearted humanitarian "we are the world" hugfest.

You come along and expect them to sell their products/services at cost just because you're special or something.

You sound like a piece of shit tbh. Let me ask you another question:

If you had invested years of your time scraping by and researching, testing prototypes then finally succeeding at inventing an IV tube (when there were no previous examples of one in the past) would you expect a payoff/reward for your time/effort?

Of course you would. Why is it any different because it's a different person and you're the one who has to pay? I know these are inconvenient questions for your little narrative but don't try to stick your head out of your little bubble without getting hit in the face with the real world.
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>>717685194
Or take a shit in every gallon you produce.
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>>717691502

In the army warehouse, you pussy bitch faggot.
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>>717693216
Because apparently it was a great country
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>>717692728
This is just why I said read history.
Suicide was always illegal in ecclesiastical courts, and in all Christian countries for more than a millenia. For example, suicide was illegal in Elizabethan England, which was, derp, more than a hundred years ago.
Protip: you're a shallow, uneducated dipshit.
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>>717692989
wow, you're an idiot. you basically just confirmed that you're american. you fucking dolt.
>Ambulances weren't always a thing and you expect people to give you a free ride to the hospital or something out of the goodness of their heart?
Really? ambulances haven't always existed? you fucking moron. Oh, Ambulances in my country are free btw, and some of the best response times in the world.
>why didn't you stay wherever you are now instead of coming here for help?
I've never been to your shitty country, and honestly, if i happened to end up in that cesspool and get injured, i would try my absolute hardest to fly home for treatment.

talk about assumptions more, pleb.
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>>717691768

Then where are my bear arms, nigger?
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>>717693448
But I'm not Swiss?
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A right
But SJWs call it white privilege
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>>717693498
Oh, and suck this too: "Self-murder" became a crime under common law in England in the mid-13th Century, but long before that it was condemned as a mortal sin in the eyes of the Church."
Source: BBC
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>>717693388
Says the guy insisting I expect everything for free. You're putting words in my mouth, pot.
>hurr durr what are taxes for
Not like basically every other first world country has government healthcare that's paid for by taxes or anything. Oh wait...
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>>717693216
I'm not pissy, I asked a very simple question. I didn't call anyone else's country "shitty" or "fucked up."

I'm asking why idiots immigrate here en masse if it's such a terrible place to live. Like what's the rationale? "This country is so terribly shitty and fucked up, I've gotta live there." That's insane for real. For all the shit you talk, you still come here because it's better than whatever place you're moving from, plain and simple.

Cry all you want idgaf but it's a large part of why people can't stand immigrants these days. You can accept it or not but don't act like it's not a self-created problem. Like I wouldn't welcome someone into my home who's just going to piss on the walls and tell me how the painting in my dining room sucks balls.
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>>717693535
don't worry, you muslims are banned
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>>717693479
or so they claim ;)
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>>717693619
so now it's a right because "everyone else does it"
kek
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>>717693696
No, it's a right because "lives have value" and it's something necessary for life.
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>>717692943
india? uh you mean some indians in fucking 10bc or some shit.

How is this fair in todays world.
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>>717693649
i would rather be a mudslime than a derped out merican, at least they know theyre fucking retarded and the entire world laughs at them
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>>717693646
Obviously the people migrating there aren't the people saying it's shitty. Simple. As to why people do migrate there; because it's the most relevant country. People don't know any better. Migrating to Canada, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia etc would be much more viable options.
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>>717693595

Question: Do you like and / or pay for the BBC?
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>>717693782
Kek you can't be serious? India is literally a fucking cesspool. Absolute disgusting country. Have you seen the river Ganges?
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>>717687972
If i wanted my comeback, id wipe it off your moms chin.
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>>717693901
i love big black cocks, yes. i don't pay for them tho
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>>717691768
YOU'RE OFF TOPIC IDIOT
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>>717693991
Kek
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>>717691651
YOU'RE OFF TOPIC IDIOT
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>>717693980
be an individual, anon. don't recycle old jokes.
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>>717693535
It's funny you're so scared to say what country you're from where things are perfect because you know it'd take about 2 minutes for 20 people in this thread to tear you to shreds but you want to smuggly talk shit about US healthcare.

Ok, habib, keep mumbling your bullshit lazy entitled faggot.
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>>717691646
YOURE OFF TOPIC IDIOT
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>>717685194
Depends where u live, first world cuntrys yes but 3rd world not so much although it should be
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>>717694140
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>>717685194
Well, that's up to Nestle.

Yet, if we're to argue that we're to feed the people, it follows that we probably also should be giving them clean water to drink. It's more that clean water (i.e. the water that comes out of taps in, say, Canada) is not a natural given right to all living things, but people strive to artificially instate it as a given right, because of their ethics/morals. It's nothing more than a given privilege these days, it's importance magnified, because it's, well, water.

Which, again, means it's up to Nestle to decide as to whether you get to drink clean water.

>>717689772
>being this real
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>>717693918
U mean the river with all the dead body parts in it and ash from the cremated bodys
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>>717694115
Just saw it fitting there. Peace nigger.
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>>717693774
so are housing and food and clothes
basically everything people work for should be free
and so no one should need to work at all
and somehow with no one working, all things will just appear
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>>717693794
>i would rather be a mudslime
you're in luck
>>717693901
not a britbong, just quoting the BBC to show suicide has been illegal for at least 800 years, contrary to what some abject retard was claiming
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>>717693619
answer the question i asked or shut the fuck up, honestly.

if you created an innovative and completely new invention that made peoples lives better (ie an IV tube or x-ray machine), you're telling me you wouldn't expect an exponentially greater reward than someone flipping burgers?

You must be a euro to think that "just because these other countries do it it must be right."
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>>717694246
Yeah babe.
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>>717694135
jeez anon, don't get too angry, you might shoot up a school.
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>>717691598
I pay something called tax so people can make it safe to drink. But I guess this concept wouldnt be understood by a goblin.

The only natural fresh water source is from springs. or maybe from glaciers. Otherwise you have to pay to make it drinkable. or clean enough to use for washing things. This aint fucking rocket science
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>>717694254
>what are taxes
If you're gonna make that argument, then when the goal of automation is achieved, the majority of the population will just up and die because there are no jobs left, and that's just how it is. Boo hoo.
If humans aren't entitled to basic needs, then life itself clearly doesn't have intrinsic value.
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>>717693805
>all the people immigrating to the US are just ignorant and aren't going there for opportunity or anything

People actually fucking believe this.
kek

What the fuck does "being relevant" even have to do with immigration? Like what are you even talking about? You think people come to the US because they see too many billboards in their own country or something? Fucking hilarious, you make 0 sense.
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>>717694475
i feel bad for people ashamed to even name their second-rate nation
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>>717694529
>I pay
ergo, it's not a right
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>>717694556
>If humans aren't entitled to basic needs, then life itself clearly doesn't have intrinsic value
what is a non sequitur?
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>>717694475
Who's angry? Just say what country you're from where things are so peachy. It's not difficult, or keep being a faggot. Makes no difference.
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>>717694705
Logically, life had no value at all before the welfare state, according to anon.
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>>717694370
>implying doctors in Europe don't get paid for their experience
>implying no one in Europe cares about patents
>implying the only way for a product to be paid for is by the person who needs it
>lol what are roads?
Yeah, I'm just wasting my time here. I'd try to see things from your point of view, but we can't BOTH shove our heads up your ass. As impressive as it is, there's just not enough room.
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>>717694529
>I pay taxes
>Likely $0.40 of plebs taxes actually go towards infrastructure needed to clean, treat, and transport water.
>It's totally a right

fucking kek
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>>717694559
That's exactly why people migrate to America.
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A right, if we make reproduction a privilege.
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>>717694607
if your good ol' american education system was even semi-decent, you might have the reading comprehension to actually figure it out, as i have actually said where i'm from twice already. but i'm not going to make it that easy for you, you will have to learn how to read first.
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>>717686753
I agree

Humans are just animals with higher functioning brains.
Whether or not you agree this is a dog eat dog world and it will always be that way.
The weak will struggle or perish and the strong will take.
There is no equality in this world and there never will be because it's written into our DNA
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>>717694833
>I pay money to a collective group who gives me goods and services in return
>I think I have a right to those goods and services, because I confuse rights with exchange
>hey look, a polyp
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>>717694941
and another post where you chickened out
kek
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>>717694764
>implying implications
If you refuse to treat something like it's as valuable as you say it is, then it isn't really as valuable as you say it is.
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>>717694833
I didn't imply any of that and you keep avoiding my question because you're slowly starting to realize how retarded your position is when you're seeing it in front of your face on a computer screen for the first time.

Your corny attempts at jokes don't disguise that.
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>>717694941
I guess where you're from they didnt teach you how to capitalize your Is.
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>>717694649
no its still a right that tax goes towards.
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>>717695086
Oh gee, I didn't realize you were a Psychic too! What number am I thinking of?
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>>717694941
>I'm petrified to name where i live, literally shaking right now because these other anons are right

ok, bud.
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>>717694948
Until the day we write new entries in our DNA.
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>>717695074
Your mind is in a small box
Example: I think life is valuable, so I collect food for the local food pantry and participate in feeding the hungry. This is called charity. The people I feed don't have a right to my labor or food. I give it to them freely.
Oddly enough, all the people who scream that life's necessities are rights never seem to make it to the food pantry.
You can't imagine that someone can value life without thinking all of life's needs are rights. This is because you are small-minded.
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>>717695118
In the sense that once I pay for my groceries, I have a right to take them out of the store, we're in accord.
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Well, it has been fun and all, but it's past 7 AM. I really should try to sleep.
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>>717695207
>>717695115
>>717695053
lol, the butthurt is real with this lot.
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>>717694649
its still a right because tax is not the same as me buying a whole filtration plant. tax is where many people collectivley pay for it. so therefore it should rightfully be given to us.
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>>717695118
>hamburgers are a right, I just pay for them periodically when i want to eat one.

my sides can't handle this amount of stupid fam
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>>717686573
>>717686652
Oregon is a state where its illegal to collect rain water, it's considered "The state of oregon's water".

But they give us pretty good tap water so its all good.
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>>717695366
You don't only pay taxes when you're using a thing, anon. Those are called bills.
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>>717694924
who is that semen demon?
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>>717695363
The problem arises when people DON'T pay for it and still feel entitled to that product. Stop with the "collective" bullshit. If I pay for water, I'm entitled to drink water out of the tap in my house. That doesn't give me a right to drink it out of your house when I don't pay for it and vice versa.

Why is this a difficult concept for your fucking retards?
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>>717695240
I can understand that someone can value it. But if there's a disconnect between what someone says something is worth and how someone treats said thing, there's a problem.
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America is like the fat kid whose mother constantly tells him he's the most handsome boy in the world, and he goes on believing it. then one day wonders why no girls like him, and can't understand why the other kids make fun of him, so he buys a big gun and shoots them all. the end.
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What happened to the faggot too ashamed to name his country?
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>>717694847
whats 40p * 33. million (roughly the number of tax payers in the UK)

yeah its a right because how else do you get clean water on demand..

you clearly dont understand tax
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>>717695238
Yeah lemme just grab my typewriter and rewrite my DNA

>*end sarcasm*
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>>717695752

You're welcome, England
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>>717685194
It's both a right and a privilege. We should work hard to make clean water accessible to everyone, including people who are not able to work for it.

It's also somewhat of a privilege because not everyone has it sadly enough, so we really should be helping other people to get it. We DO have the technology to give the entire world clean water, we just choose not to because we are selfish.

Don't mean to sound like a white knight. But I will always be a moral-fag.
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>>717695366
why cant you stay on topic fucktard since when Did I mention hamburgers??
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>>717695893
Genetically-modified corn doesn't exist, of course.
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The only fundamental right anyone has is the right to die. It's the only one nobody can take away from you.
All else has to be earned, fought for, seized, taken, bought, negotiated, and/or produced. All you dickless social warriors are in for one hell of an awakening when your government is not there to coddle your panzy ass.
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How do you make an American angry?


You tell him the truth.
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>>717695606
well that house has paid for it so its fine. this collective thing is not bullshit and yeah theres gonna be ways to dodge paying for it but without collective backing there would not be clean water
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>>717696131
Oh yeah corn with 10 chromosomes... really compares to humans 23. Leftist already bitch and moan about GMO corn. What do you think those cucks would think if that was attempted on humans to remove the literal thing that drives us to survive
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>>717696534
Humans have 23 chromosomes? No way. And, I'm sorry, can you better describe to me what it is, exactly, that literally drives us to survive? And, why anyone would be removing it, if someone is only going to write new entries into the DNA?

23 chromosomes, gosh.
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>>717696753
YOU'RE OFF TOPIC FUCKTARD
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>>717696534
YOU'RE OFF TOPIC FUCKTARD
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>>717696249
>You tell him the truth.
How is this exclusive to America? Humans as a species are a deluded sort. Placing meaning and purpose to things that don't matter, in a universe indifferent to our very existence.
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>>717696947
Not really. You remember when we were talking about clean water being a right or a privilege? By extension, we need to have a conversation as to what is a right and what is a privilege, and if we do that, we have to bring up the nature of man, or just nature itself, to determine what the hell a right even is.

So talking about DNA is perfectly within reason.
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>>717696753
Unless you failed 9th grade science. Humans have 23 chromosomal pairs in each cell in their body you nitwit. Which has thousands of sequences within each pair which would all have to be "rewritten" to take out base human instinct (i.e the will to survive). Base human instinct is that same thing that makes us a dog eat dog world. The thing that says "eat drink sleep reproduce" the thing that says leave behind the weak and the dead and become stronger to survive. You're saying to overwrite that in our DNA so "We all think the same and that everyone has a right to clean drinking water". You're asking to take away the will to survive.
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>>717685194
If it takes the work and effort of others to produce, then it is not a right. It is counterintuitive, I know. That is because water is everywhere and a natural part of the earth. The difference is we are not talking about the ability to go to a lake and take a sip, we are talking about people building pipelines to direct water to facilities that treat it and the pump it through pipelines that arrive at the consumer. Clean water does not magically come out of your tap. So is water a right? Yes. Is clean water provided by the labor of others a right? I fail to see how it is. You could just as easily argue that fruits and vegetables should all be free because they are natural resources. You ignore all the labor and effort required to produce it and provide it within walking distance of your house.
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>>717697649
I dont see bear grylls finding fresh water too often. perhaps you should try it.
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>>717697590
YOU'RE OFF TOPIC FUCKTARD
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>>717697234
you have to bring up nature but not dna
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>>717697590
Notice, I never suggested that humans don't have 23 chromosomal pairs.
>>717696534
>really compares to humans 23
>Oh yeah corn with 10 chromosomes

And
>Which has thousands of sequences within each pair which would all have to be "rewritten" to take out base human instinct
Why are we doing that again? Can you better prove to me, that this, "human instinct", is unique to humans only, or the thing that compels us to act and leave behind the weak and the dead? Did I really suggest that we need to overwrite this very thing in our DNA, so we think that everyone has a right to clean drinking water?

Are you sure I didn't just suggest that one day, people will add new lines to their DNA, and that doing this will change how those individuals deal with, say, clean drinking water?

I mean, you presume so much, anon. So much assuming.
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>>717697958
see
>>717694948
According to that, the DNA is part of nature. Our nature.
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>>717685194
Having access to water is a right, having access to clean water is a privilege
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you have to pay towards getting freshwater period

/next topic/
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>>717697782
I do not think you understood my argument.
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>>717690160
exactually.
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>>717698010
It's the same instinct in all animals. That's what instinct is. You think any other animal gives a fuck about another animals water situation half a world away? No they don't they would rather take a water source for themselves in order to survive instead. Humans are the same way at their very base.
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>>717698240
you think its plentiful naturally >>717698400
when it is not.
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>>717698449
So, if I'm following you here, it seems that it's not a human instinct after all, but an instinct that is present in all known forms of animal life?

Is that it?
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>>717698449
get in the 21st century mr caveman
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Should be a right, morally but, truth is that water is a privilege you pay for
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>>717698534
No. I am saying water is plentiful, not clean water. The point is not that there is enough clean water around for everyone to just go and drink. The point is that because water is a natural and plentiful resource of the earth it is counterintuitive to think that it should not be a right. But we are not talking about simple access to water, we are talking about clean water. There is a difference, which I already laid out in my original post >>717697649
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>>717685194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_mxVWm6i_k&t=4s
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>>717698552
Or just instinct in general. I was using the human aspect of it.
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>>717698642
Being in the 21st century doesn't change survival instinct. You've just gone blind to it.
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>>717699166
What about plants? Corn? And, didn't we already finish suggesting that there is no human aspect of this instinct? I thought the instinct was the same in all animals. Do you mean to say that you were trying to invoke the sense that humans are capable of incorporating other behaviors, apart from responding to this instinct?
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>>717687528
What does that have to do with the main question?
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>>717685194
In a first world country? It's a right, the government is supposed to serve and protect us, like someone else here said, it's why we pay taxes. In anywhere in the world? Sadly it's a privilege. We live in a crazy advanced world and unfortunately some places have fallen behind. In a time where instant global communication is possible, the idea that some people can't get clean drinking water is insane.
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>>717698952
VIRUS ALERT
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>>717699206
it does, ive evolved. Im superior to you
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>>717699805
YOU ARE OFF TOPIC FUCKTard
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>>717700890
It is not a right if you are paying for it through your taxes.
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a right and a privilage is ssme thing
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>>717700890
>In a first world country it's a right because the government is supposed to serve and protect us.

First world or third world really makes no difference, just because things are exponentially more advanced in your environment doesn't negate your responsibility to pay for a product that you want. It's been said numerous times ITT, if you don't want to pay for it then collect rainwater and purify it yourself. The little in taxes you pay doesn't have anything to do with buying water which is why you have a water bill every month unless you live with your parents in addition to paying taxes.

The cost you pay for water is indicative of people, a lot of them with college degrees, engineering infrastructure, working 40 hour weeks to transport/purify your water and deliver it to your tap. If you're not okay with that then go drink out a mud puddle somewhere. You're the same type of people that think obamacare is a justifiable thing when one person pays $1,500 a month and another pays nothing but both get the exact same healthcare. That's not how the world works.
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