I have been here for over 7 years, and today I bid you farewell

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I am very interested to hear your story, OP

I've smoked DMT before, I think it's supposed to be similar.

Yeah post your experience.
This is so interesting. Its a lost resort if your life sucks, and youre very brave for going through with it.

>>716952454
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>show up at a cabin after a long day of touring around Ecuador
>I'm with my dad and we meet the shamans son
>He takes us into the back side of the cabin
>it is 5:30pm, there is still light
>we are both tired and have not eaten anything all day (part of the ceremony)
>the walk is intense
>terrible, scary, weird noises and animals I've never seen in my life
>it is now 6pm, we cant see shit the sun does not get to us
the shamans son is a strange person
>but probably the most positive person I have ever encountered
>we are scared, tired and 40 minutes into a forest
>we begin to think we are being lurred in by people who want to kid nap us
>we start shitting ourselves in fear, every second that passes by is dreadful, I begin to fear for my life

Cont.

Lightworkers of the world rise up to bring energy to the healing process

>>716953093
Fag

As you were saying OP?

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>My dad starts crying and starts yelling at the shamas son
>the shamans son is far ahead of us, and is laughing to himself
>he just looks back at us and keeps walking about 100 yards ahead
>we have no other choice,we continue to walk because we are lost anyway
>he promised to take us to a waterfall, but it's been an hour and we don't even hear water
>FUCK.jpg
>finally he stops and waits for us to catch up completely
>we look at him with fear/hate/confusion
>he says that we are close and to not lose hope
>finally we get to a small river, and faith is resord
>the walk is shit, I have rubber boots on, no socks and I'm wearing jorts
>i slip and fall all over the place, exhausted and hungry and afraid
>we make it to a waterfall, all faith is restored
>there we see a small cabin, a fire place and 2 men
>we walk down a 20 degree slope about 200ft tall
>we are bruised and in pain, entering the cabin
>the two men stare at us, one is the shaman
>the other man is a murder with the 1000 yard stare, he emits the most negative energies I have ever felt in my life

cont.

>>716952454
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You didn't pre-type did you op

Gonna 404 before your done

>the shaman greets us with the most peaceful voice I have ever heard in my life
>he tells us to get naked and to walk down over to the waterfall
>we get down there and undress ourselves, he starts rubbing leafs and chanting in his native language
>he starts hitting us with a sacred branch and spits at us what i believe was moon shine
>he spits us with moonshine and blows natural tobacco smoke at us
>I being to feel strange, I feel lost
>I feel neutral, no longer fearful
>no longer hateful
>no longer resentful
>I feel peaceful
>I then walk over to the waterfall, by now it is about 8:30pm
>it is freezing cold, but I must do it
>I bathe in it and and let the water slap down on me as I pray to pacha mama (mother nature) like the shaman told me to
>I stop feeling cold
>I stop feeling anxious
>I being to feel warm and relaxed
>my mind is clear and I feel like I've just ran a triathlon and I am now laying on a bed of clouds
>purebliss.webm

Cont.

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>>716953893
No i didn't sorry, this is my last post on 4chan ever

>we get dressed again and walk back to the cabin
>there the shaman explains to us what we have done
>the waterfall as a spirit that has rid us of negative energies and we are now neutral
>we sit in silence as the shaman prepares the ayahuasca brew
>he tells me that I must drink more because I have recently consumed marijuana and alcohol
>i chug down this brownish subtance
>the consistency of boiled/shredded seaweed
>a horribly bitter taste, later on I will find out it is not nearly as horrible as when youo throw it up later
>we all sit in silence and wait for the trip to begin.

Cont.

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very interesting so far

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did they make you walk the dinosaur?

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>20 mins in
>I being to feel drunk
>disoriented
>I have tired LSD and mushrooms but I have never felt this type of disorientation ever before
>I being to have auditory hallucinations
>I being to hear whispering and animals that are not there
>the consistent sound of the waterfall now turns into waves of distorted oceans
>the crickets now sound like a never ending orchestra playing for me, connecting my to nature
>an hour in
>every sound of the rain forest is captivated by all of my sense
>everything sounds so complex and almost robotic
>mother nature is an infinite machine that lives on forever
>existence is a never ending algorithm of vibrations
>I am a vibration, but i now understand what everyone around me once saw and I never saw
>I am a mess
>I emit gabage engergies unto other
>I am a mass of negative energy, spreading my hatred onto other even though I never realized it, it always came naturally to me
>It was me, it was my personality, it was my identity to be this mass of negativity

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bump!

I do hope you'll be able to stay away from here. I should, too.

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KEEP IT UP OP

>>716952454
i leave 4chan
i will have no one to talk to anymore
there will be no place i can voice my opinion or what's on my mind without looking like a retarded fucked up individual

i dont have any online social groups (forums,etc)
i dont have any fb or social media accounts
and i dont have friends in real life

so it's hard for me to leave this place
im already in the point of no return

>>716955362
yes, you are basically telling us how you got to this point. Carry on...

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Maybe you should stay to counter the negativity here? It would probably just contaminate your aura again slowly but surely, though.

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>I begin to fall into what the shaman said was "the test"
>i counted the seconds in my mind (like 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi etc)
>I then realized that I was having about 5 complex, extremely detailed thoughts in about 10 seconds
>time was meaning less, everything was forever
>I was in hell
>I was thinking about my family
>how I criticize them and was embarrassed by them
>how i was raised to be this way
>how everything that they were was a lie and I was part of a failed experiment
>how it was my fault my brother was practically dead to society
>I begun to think about my relationships with everyone
>I saw myself from a 3rd person perspective
>there i was, quiet as always, trying to focus in school/work
>ignoring everyone
>anxious to communicate
>thinking everyone was thinking about me the same way I thought about them
>blaming my problems on them instead of my mentality
>there I realized that everything I had
>everything material
>it never made me happy at all, it was all bought to try to fill up something that could never be filled up
>human relationships, I couldn't have them
>I couldn't express love because I was raised by my parents to be this way
>my entire family is a miserable mess
>my life is hell
>I am a horrible person and I don't deserve to exist
>all of this was because I refused to submit to the infinite power that is..... "god"
>the vibrations that one emits, the spirit
>I felt embarrassed to express happiness
>I couldn't positive because I was always being shut down by everyone
>my spirit was scarred and I was projecting that unto others

Cont.

OP this feels incredibly relevant to my current situation. Did a solo aya journey several weeks ago but didn't get anything like from my group experiences . I feel the world is fucked and totally powerless to do anything. Coming here to pass the time with banal ignorance 'till I die.

>>716952907
So you are about to trip on DMT in an unfirmilar place, with unfirmilar people, with no food or water in your system? Good thinking...

Dont stop now!

>>716955797
Ayahuasca is totally different from DMT. They really can't be compared. DMT is not really a tool for self realisation, healing nd understanding. Aya is.

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if i starve you and take you hiking, i demand that you pay for it.

very interesting! continue please

>>716955650

it is important to know what the world is going through, but it is futile to let the negativity over power you, you must work on yourself and become positive if you wish to impact other positivly

>>716955797

it is part of the ceremony, you have to have nothing in your stomach, i'll explain later

cont.

>when you are filled with negativity, everything you do is negative even if you don't try to be negative
>when you criticize someone, you are implying you are superior to them
>if you wish to change someone positively, you must not show them negativity, instead let them be and allow them to observe your positive behavior

>everything you do, every action you take has a reaction
>the domino effect
>you must do what you feel
>if you do not do what you feel and you obey what your ego tells you to do, you will be forever miserable

>4chan
>it is full of people constantly criticizing others
>consistent with hate and negativity
>everyone tries to bring someone down
>everyone want to feel superior here
>everyone here is suffering, everyone here is projecting unto others their suffering
>their insecurities
>their sadness

cont.

>>716952454
>7 years

Good riddance newfag

>>716956244
Way to indicate you are in dire need of mother aya's medicine.

>i finally realize what i should do
>i should set things straight
>keep trying to be a better version of me every single day
>just as i was finally seeing the truth
>the trip went bad for me
>it wasnt over
>it was not enough that i improve myself
>this was something different, something's wrong
>i can feel that it wasnt supposed to go this way
>i feel cold sweats running down my body
>im sitting and i can feel everything around me like they want to kill me
>the other guy said this was the real test
>i can only hear his voice like a whisper in the dark
>this is definitely bad
>i can't do this!
>just as before my mind went blank
>the chief comes out from the cabin
>we get on the floor
>everybody walk the dinosaur

>>716956598
lol come on not-op

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>>716956244
Do you feel better about yourself now?

>there were only a couple of the billion ideas/reflections I had
lets take a brake from my mind for a minute
>I am shaking, taking turns from sitting down and laying down
>feeling of guilt and anxiety over powers me
>"fuck anon, you asked for this, this is what you wanted"
>I finally relax, and I lay down and let the powers of the medicinal plant overpower me
>I feel like an insane person in an insane asylum
>at times smiling at and laughing at myself
>at times crying and beating myself up internally

this part is funny

>the guy with the murderer face gets up and throws up
>i think to myself something like "haha im younger than this guy and this is my first time
>and I dont feel like throwing up, it was just too much for him I guess"
>i was thinking that, and i unwillingly projected that unto everyone on an invisible spiritual plane
>suddenly, i feel my ass is holding in the waterfall next to me
>wtf thats impossible i haven't eaten all day

cont.

>>716956598
fucking newfag
the third from the last sentence should end with "door" so it rhymes with rest

>>716956772
new...fag? how about.... new... friend?

>>716956038
(DMT)-containing plant species -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca

cont

but this is getting a bit boring

>>716956677
I can finally look at myself in the mirror and give myself a sincere smile, I no longer feel like a failure, I can love myself again

>i hold in the shit that is within me
>horrible idea
>it comes back up to my stomach, i suddenly have an intense pain
>its gonna come out my mouth
>I get up abruptly
horrible idea
>my body was not connected to my mind, i was shaking and completely off blance
>the shaman comes to my rescue and takes me to the designated throw up area
>I stand there for what seamed forever
>my body is over filled with the worst throwup anxiety I have ever felt
>I begin to hurl
>every single time i hurl, i shit myself
>I am now shitting, pissing and throwing up
>I feel like an animal, I feel disgusting
>I mumble to the shaman that i need to shit
>he brings me to designated shitting area
>I pull off my jorts and underwear and begin to shit piss and throw up all over
>I am naked, full of mud and shit and throw up in an virgin forest
>I feel one with nature, like an animal, it was an amazing feeling

damn i want to try this ayahuasca thing
is it legal?

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I love you, OP. Stay positive.

i feel bad reading this because i have tabs for trap thread and /pol/ threads open

>>716957169
>I am naked, full of mud and shit and throw up in an virgin forest
>I feel one with nature, like an animal, it was an amazing feeling

bwahahahahaa

>>716957170
you take it in countries where it is legal under spritual guidance like OP for maximum effect

>>716957282
I think that's kind of the point of this thread.

>>716956994
Yes, aya contains dmt, but the effects of smoking dmt and oral ingestion with enzime inhibitors are totally different experiences. That's what I meant.

>>716957355
then what countries can i try this?
do i have to find shaman living in the forest first or do they have specific places where you can sign up to partake in this "ritual"?

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>>716952454
I also took psychedelics, the difference is I didn't became an elitist who thinks he's better than everyone. I still enjoy coming on this website, and my life is pretty positive.

People here are very nice if you look under the surface, and you should know that if you've spent 7 years here.

>>716957169
I don't know whether to be satisfied or disappointed with my trips after reading this shit. I had some very healing insights into my own perception of the world, but I never did go through such a primal experience of barfing and shitting myself.

>>716957483
I wouldn't recommend it. Especially in a forest away from hospitals. You shouldn't need a 'drug' to become awakened or to find yourself. I'm sure you could have had a life changing experience a thousand other ways.

>>716955362
dude set up a forum account and get out to your local debate club and start building a life for yourself faggot

>I am now empty inside, everyone is laying down quietly
>the shaman tried to speak to me but I don't understand anything
>he sounds like a complex robot that is emitting joy unto me
>i try to communicate with him, and subconsciously i emit to him positivity
>he doesn't understand me but he smiles to me and nods and goes to sit down
>there i realize that for the first time in I don't know how long i finally expressed something positive
>the shaman felt it, he understood that the negativity inside me was leaving me
>i just shat, pissed and threw up on myself and I now feel better than I ever have
>I felt like i just got what I prayed for
>I am receiving healing
>I am turning into what I want to become
>the pacha mama is my mother and she loves me, I am a part of her and I have been for so long distanced from her and almost ashamed of her
>I have felt hate for my brothers, for her children
>I begin to understand that we are all hurt children of a greater being
>all religions are correct in some way, but instead of hating I must love what they are trying to do with us

cont.

>>716957765
Nobody who has experienced aya ceremonies would ever say something like that. It has to be experienced to be understood. You will never get anything close to the experience other than using plant medicine.

>>716957765
For starters check out the bible:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV

>>716957774
implying that there are such things as "local debate clubs"

I mean if you're in high school that would work

>>716957922
Ok, now you can just fuck off. Religion is the anthisisis of self realisation.

>>716957913
cocaine is plant based

>>716957622
South America. OP said he did it in Ecuador.

>>716957648
What's with all the gore and rape threads though?

>>716955362
meetup.com

no matter how positive you try to be in real life
i can guarantee you there will always one,two or more assholes out there who will ruin your mood and break your postivity
but good luck out there

>>716957648
>thinks taking psychedelics for fun trips is in any way comparable to ayahuasca.

>>716958147
thats the trick...if you let them get to your core, and what they tell you gets you emotionally. They win

>>716958004
>plant based
>based

Yeah, it's not the plant itself. Ayuhuasca is literally ground up plants stewed in water. There is no laboratory involved.

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>>716958092
a few are really fucked up people, but most are just in their edgy teen years and want attention and recognition from a community, and this is their way to look cool on 4Chan. I see them as normal people who just need help.

>>716957972
haha i knew you were gonna say that, predictable ass nigga

>>716958004
but it's not a plant medicine. plant medicines are ayahuasca, mescaline, mushrooms, etc. Things which allow self realisation and exploration. Cocaine just makes you feel good. Not a medicine.

>>716953359
lol this made me chuckle, but are lightworkers real?

>>716958255
Truth, I used to make threads with pictures of aborted fetuses as a way of dealing with my rage towards my parents and their religion (Catholicism) when I first came to /b/ as a child. I was 13 at the time. They will blossom eventually.

>>716958404
We are all lightworkers. Some of us just don't realize it.

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>>716958186
Maybe I've never had anything as deep as ayuhasca, but my trips definitely aren't for fun, I'm doing introspecting everytime. Still, I don't think anyone who takes any Psychs should feel better than others.

>>716952454
What kind of pussy faggot has the money to go fuck off in ecuador but wants to kill themselves? Grow some real problems bitch or kill yourself and cut your bleeding vagina out of the gene pool

>>716958255
holy shit your right. I've stopped making rekt threads when I realize I was only doing it to look edgy to my friends.

>>716958001
Find yourself through God. Not religion. Think about it this way. You are created by something or someone. They have a purpose for you. You were designed specifically for something. What is it? You have to find out more about that creator before you can find what your true reason for being is. What the true meaning of life is. That creator gave you a specific skill set with specific intentions. I'm a Christian and I'm 100% sure I know myself and I'm 100% sure I know and understand the meaning of life. Find and understand who Jesus is. Find Jesus and then find who you are meant to be.

>>716958520
Yes, dose and intention are what separates fun from healing. That's not to say fun trips can't be beneficial, but it's chalk and cheese. I've done 10g dried cubensis and, literally, lost myself. Amazing experience.

>>716957972
i think youve found your life calling, start the first adult debate club in your town, and based on your passion i have a feeling you will open up chapters far and wide untill the Global Debate club has more locations than startbucks and mcdonalds

>>716957855
C'mon OP, keep going

>>716958520
I don't think OP feels better than us, if he did he wouldn't have bothered to type it all out and share it with us. He did that because he loves us. Consider for a moment how the internet itself is like a drug, we use it every day to distract ourselves to the point of dissociation. In this numbed state, it is easier for the negative energies of others to affect us to our cores. Some of us are addicts. OP just wants to break the cycle, I don't blame him and perhaps you should examine why you feel the way you do about someone deciding not to come here anymore.

>>716958213
then how do you deal with those kind meanies ;_;

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>>716958590
I could never achieve inner peace with this, so my spirituality went the other way: We are the universe, the universe is us, we are gods, we are all one.

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>>716958590
Jesus was a dude, search for god

>>716957913
this
>>716957765
this is true, but the other ways (like buddhism and meditation) take too long and our egos do not allow us to have the patience for it, so these medicinal plants that have been given to us by our mother nature are a tool to get connected with her again and rid ourselves of our egos that emit negativity

>>716958147
you can't allow them and you must understand that they are putting you down because they are being put down by another force

>>716958255
those troubled teenagers are like that because their parents are project that unto them, so they project it unto us and those around them, their parents are like this because of the culture that they live in. 1st world countries are spiritually absent from mother nature and the love she give us.

>>716958528
I live here and only had to pay $20 for all of this, the shaman showed me that he does not live for money but he lives to help others, i will be going back to help him fix the path towards this virgin waterfall later
also, stop projecting your insecurites i understand that you secretly want to kill yourself but please don't bring it to the table

>i being to realize positive things
>I see what I must do now
>my ego is dead, I am no longer "me" I am and "us"
>normal people are always on an "us" mentality
>at least positive people anyway
>Its easier said than done, but you must love and avoid negative thinking
>avoid negative people, its natural instinct to do so, its also why people avoided people like me
>do no judge others, you are not better than them
>do not love people for what they give you, love them for what they project onto you
>you can be dirt poor, but if you project love and positivity and instead of insecurites and hate unto others, they will love you
>life will give you what you need as long as you give back the love that it gives you
>hate will only bring more negativity to your life

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>>716958735
being a smart-ass

>>716958717
Perhaps I was needlessly harsh, you're right. A little change can't hurt.

>>716958735
Turn the other cheek. Kill them with kindness. Love thy neighbor as thy self, and love thy enemy even more.

>>716958717
I do not feel better than anyone, in fact i used to come here to feel better than everyone because no one else accepted me, but now i accept myself and I wish to help others not by criticizing them, but by communicating a positive message to the instead of having them feel inferior

I truly wish for all of you to better yourselves, find the love in yourselves and to finally heal the dirt that taints your spirits

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>>716958768
fukken saved

here, have one of mine.

>>716958590
you do realize you're a christian preaching jesus in 4chan one of the most vile places in the internet where the users are cancer + 7 deadly sins incarnate?

>>716958791
Prison killed my ego, meditation got me closer to me. Its a pleasure reading soemone else's experience, which was better then mine in a non shitty sense.

I commend you Op

>>716958590
An aya experience would blow your mind, and leave you feeling much more like this guy >>716958748

>>716959068
you o realize jesus only hung out with the worst people right, and hated the establishment

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>>716959057
Saving this aswell, i like this

>>716959068
4chan has some of the most open minded people I've ever known. That's the best place to teach about Jesus.

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>>716959033
Thank you OP. I have been posting the nicest images I have saved on my PC, it is all I am capable of giving you. I pray that I will have the strength to transcend.

>>716958528
kek this made me laugh
but OP thank you i feel a little bit motivated now

>>716956038
Dude... DMT is the psychoactive component in Ayahuasca... It's just mixed with a MAOI and taken orally, which makes for a lengthy trip opposed to just 5 minutes.

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Godspeed anon

>>716952454
Hey OP, nice story!
I wish you the best man!

>>716959182
It's based on a short story by Oscar Wilde called "The Nightingale and The Rose". Warning: I sobbed for about 5 minutes after listening to the audio book on youtube.

>>716958791
de-define the "us" personality senpai i dont understand im confused

>>716959385
oh great, now here i go; going to hear it myself.

>>716959332
Ok, but I feel that a lengthy trip inherently has more healing potential than one that only lasts 5 minutes.

t. someone who once smoked DMT and didn't really learn anything from it

>>716952454
Hey anon I was thinking about posting a thread just like this saying that I was going to leave this website for my spiritual journey. But out of "coincidence" I saw this thread and this really inspired me.

>>716959455
You are approaching it from the wrong perspective. It is not a personality but rather the lack of one. Find stillness within yourself, that is "Us".

>>716959173
holy shit good point
but still not buying this christian crap

Cont.

>the shaman told me that the trip lasts for 3 hours
>but the truth was the mind trip and reflections only lasted 3 hours
>the trip lasted from about 9pm to 8am the next day
>I did not sleep for a second, i spent the time reflecting on what just happened
>for the frist time in my life, i spent the night planning a positive future for myself and those who surround me instead of thinking all the bullshit i did
>instead of thinking about when i should kill myself and how
>instead of thinking about revenge
>I finally felt free, i felt positive, i felt alive and I felt a part of the holy spirit, of whatever god was
>I felt like i was finally a part of the good side instead of an outcast
>years of depression, anxiety and "mental issues" were finally fading away

>I got up at 6am and bathed in the waterfall once more, thanking the pacha mama for the healing
>thanking her for once again taking me in after being distanced for so long
>I walked back towards the first cabin, it took an hour this time and it was not dreadful
>I felt like I belonged there
>I enjoyed the walk and had no negative thoughts about it
>my mind is clear and i have broken all my negative thought patterns
>I thanked the shamana, payed him $20 and promised to come back with friends and family who need healing as well
I will go back within the next 2 months to help him fix the path and continue gaining wisdom and humility.

the end.

>>716959463
Just btw this is the version I listened to before painting that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ii0V6wgk-E

>>716952454
take the new age self enlightenment bullshit and stuff it. there's nothing in it that you can't figure out for yourself, if you have a brain.

as for your experience, i offer this
>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
>Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

OP is a bigger faggot than usual

>>716959644
I used to be a huge skeptic like you but then I found out I was just mad at myself and this world. I would suggest that you do research on stuff like astral projection and meditation.

>>716959706
Thanks, i have another one saved thinking it was it. 13mins long

>>716959332
Yes, what I said here >>716957483

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posting nice gifs
because i dont understand or felt motivated by OP's greentext
maybe because im still young (20) or that i havent reached the lowest point in my life yet
but it's a nice story

>>716959676
So if we wanted to have the same experience you did, how would we get in contact with the shaman?

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>>716959644
I'm not that person and I wouldn't call myself a Christian, but I do believe Jesus tapped into The Source, if you will. He was only one of many Buddhas, in my opinion. Do not discount the teachings of Christ because of the small-minds of those who profess to follow him.

The gnostic gospels are worth checking out.

>Jesus said, “When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside
>and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you >make the male and
>the female one and the same…then you will enter the Kingdom of God.”

>GOSPEL OF THOMAS

>>716959385
Nice art. Downloading book now. Cheers anon

>>716959676
fuck i think i need this in my life

>>716959766
Let go.

>>716959766
This man needs the medicine :)

>>716960060
Everybody needs ayahuasca, especially if they don't realise it.

>>716960060
do it man, what is stopping you? (you)? Op's story reads kickass, I would suggest to get the hell out of the states for a bit

i have been to the middle east

>>716960005
thank you.

btw re: Christ;

I remember reading on wikipedia once that one of the South American tribes that has legal right to consume Ayuhuasca actually considers themselves Christians.

Do not rule out Nature as a spiritual path, when the book you recommend is also printed on leaves.

reading through this thread made me realized that i have only 4 people in my contacts (it's my family)
and i have no true friends (none of them messaged me anymore when christmas vacation began)

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>>716959123
This is just a different way of saying what Jesus taught: treat others as you want to be treated - Luke 6:31

>>716952454
are you going to start meditating in your life?

While I find amazing what you've done to find yourself, it also surprises me how I got notion of myself by reading philosophy and thinking, and didn't have to rely to something like this (which I'd do if I wasn't a fucking coward... I guess reading and thinking doesn't fix that).

>>716960323
get out more anon, i am only on here when i am at...ugh....work? HAHAHA (mid 30's)

>>716960323
Call your family. Tell them you love them, thank them for all they have done for you.

>>716960271
>>716960238
im a poor man from poor third world country

>>716960332
That is quoting this person:
>>716958735
> We are the universe, the universe is us, we are gods, we are all one.

>>716959676
Thanks for a very interesting story.

How do you feel about alcohol and drugs after this experience?
I'm sort of on the same road as you are, and I'm having doubts about wether I should stay completely sober and negative, or intoxicated and positive...

>>716960426
>from poor third world country

So is Ecuador, and they have kool drugs

>>716960295
There is Brazilian (I think) christian church that uses aya in their ceremonies. They practice in the USA and took it to the supreme court to let them use it in their ceremonies, and won!
However, their ceremonies are all about the group, not personal experience, so you are forced to get up, sing and dance with everyone. Sounds fucking horrendous to me, and actually a form of brain washing to further their monotheistic religion.
I can't believe that any tribes in the jungle who use aya would even consider the notion of any religion.

>>716960332
I find religious beliefs, and your posts, tedious in the extreme. They show a complete lack of desire to actually understand things, but rather to conform to their version of what is true. go on a journey and open your mind.

>>716960414
i am living with my parents (the 4chan basement dweller stereotype is true)
but i havent shown them in any ways how much they mean to me for still tolerating my ass all these years
god i even feel completely devoid of emotion

>>716960535
So then would it be possible to do aya within the United States if I contact that church? Or is the legality of it limited to members of that Church/Tribe?

>>716959455
your "me" personality is when you focus only on yourself, your errors compared to others
you only focus on how you are better and how they are worse than you
how you need to do this for yourself and your gain regardless of the damage you are inflicting

When there is an "us," you are taking everyone into the equation, you are thinking of a greater good

ALSO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE HERE:

NOTHING BELONGS TO YOU, YOU DO NOT OWN ANYTHING. YOU BELONG TO A GREATER FORCE, IF YOU DO NOT SUBMIT TO THIS GREATER FORCE AND CONTINUE TO LIVE FOR YOUR SELF AND YOUR PERSONAL GAIN YOU WILL FOREVER FIND CONFLICT AND UNHAPPINESS

>>716959540
I wish you luck, do not fear. I forgot to mention that in my moment of intense reflection i realized that enlightenment is the only journey that exists. We all have a bunch of conflicts and we never truly understand them but they are all spiritual based conflicts

>>716959899
I don't know how to tell you anon, i would hope you come here to Ecuador if you can, please be careful there are a lot of evil people who are kidnapping... but I recommend you do it in the rainforest, where you will get in touch with you animalistic ways of being

>>716959931

you speak wisdom anon, this is true and the sad truth is that there are people just like jesus or like the shaman I encountered that simply do not get the recognition that these prophets got. it us up to US to find them and follow their teachings.

>>716960060
It is truely a life changing experince, all the suffering I went through was absolutely worth it. You need to live through certain pain in order to open your eyes to the change you need to go through

>>716960323
I am that person too, but no i have begun to reach out to those who once tried to include me in their life, I also do not spread negativity in my family anymore, I do not bring a negative energy into places, i greet people with positivity and i thank them with sincerity, it is amazing

>>716960535
i wonder how much more for a personal experience. Then having someone close to you that doesnt do it to look over the person not implement religion while sedatied

>>716960723
Show them you care by making something with your hands. You may think you cannot draw or sculpt, but they will appreciate it just because it's from you. Draw something simple or go outside to pick flowers to give them.

>>716960511
now that you mentioned drugs
it made me chuckle that my country's government is currently on "war" with drugs
i dont need to mention which country im from

You certainly gave hope to a lot of depressed individuals here. You're already doing good stuff :)

>>716960737
DUde, do not do that. There will be many places to do aya in the US, you'll just have to try and find them. The church is not allowing you to have a personal journey, with all of the realisations and healing that they can bring, but rather forcing you into a happy-clappy, we love jesus, framework. The opposite of what Aya should be, imo.

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>>716960751
May the force be with you Op

>>716960885
cuevole compa

>>716960903
Maybe you shouldn't leave 4chan because of this, OP? We could use more people like you posting actively.

>>716960060
Do you want to kill your individual essence and become the Borg? Don't listen to this brainwashed hippies ITT anon. They just want you on your side because misery loves company. Man is not meant to SUBDUE TO nature., Man was meant TO SUBDUE the nature to himself. Faggots ITT just want to fuck with your mind and turn you into a mindless drone.

>>716959899
I know people with experience of this place, and who highly recommend it. Go on erowid for much more info on aya and finding a shaman
https://templeofthewayoflight.org/

This is the thread that makes me quit /b/ for good.
Thank you.
I am free.

>>716960495
this is important as well

i used to be an alcoholic and regular consumer of marijuana. at this moment I avoid both despite the party atmosphere from new years and what not, I will not fall back into temptation because my mind is in a state that astounds me, I feel blissful and I don't need any drugs to make me feel positive, and I am afraid that if I smoke or drink again it could ruin what I have right now and bring me back to being a the typical pessimist that I was

>>716960949
thank you very much i wish you the best!

>>716960903
>>716961049
thank you very much I wish to spread hope to everyone here! I've been here for years, and this place has submerged me in negativity. I think i might actually stay but only to post on threads that i see are seeking help instead of spreading hate

>>716960751
I could make it to Ecuador, I'm in the US. But past that I'd have no clue

>>716961068
Yet another cry for medicine.

>>716960872
gee i dont know man
their son who is borderline autistic and sociopath, by some kind of miracle decided to suddenly go out of his man cave and give us flowers and a horrendously bad drawing
dont you think they will find it kinda weird

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>>716961068
Go back to /pol/, the hell you doing over here anyway

>>716961186
>thank you very much I wish to spread hope to everyone here! I've been here for years, and this place has submerged me in negativity. I think i might actually stay but only to post on threads that i see are seeking help instead of spreading hate
Yes indeed OP. You have given me the exact same feeling. I have much experience that I feel can help others, only I am stopping myself from sharing it through negativity. NO MORE!

>>716961186
As I to you Op, Thank you for Sharing your experience. Help others as you have today, and carry forth your plans to go back to Ecuador, y que tengas un buen viaje

>>716961220
>>716960723

I was this person as well, once you fix yourself your family relationships will change as well, people will start feeling differently around you, you will be able to express yourself and connect with others once again once you have submitted to the greater power that is the pacha mama

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>>716960904
>many places to do aya in the US

PLS WHERE OP

D:

I could theoretically get enough money to travel to Ecuador if I save up over time, and I already speak Spanish fluently, but I would not know where to go to find a shaman. Add to this the fact that I am white and female, if I were to travel alone I would be at high risk for abduction, rape, torture, etc.

I need what you experienced. I have done psychedelics so many times but never have I changed permanently. I always wind up becoming the same person I was before, negative, anxious, etc. I do feel that I improve every time I trip and meditate, though.

I could get lucy easily enough, but you really made me want to experience aya.

pic is not my art but a friend's

>>716960666
I've been on many journeys. Not going to get into any of them. But they include psychedelic drug use and learning the teachings of: Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism. I ended up a strong believer in Christianity (Jesus) because it lead me to the true meaning of my life and knowing who I am. If you desire to actually learn things I will tell you anyone can get high with drugs. The secret is knowing how to get high without drugs. Once you master this then you will truly understand things.

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>>716961068
HAHA YEA BRO TELL THOSE FILTHY HIPPIES DAWG FUCK EARTH FUCK MY MOM AND FUCK FUTURE GENERATIONS AHAHAHA FAGS WANTING TO LOOK AT TREES AND SHIT

I'm leaving too op pretty much for the same reasons but I didn't take ayahuasca. This is my last post on 4chan.

>>716961220
Yes they will notice that it's out of your "normal" pattern of behavior, but so what? They created you. You are their flesh and blood. I bet your mother would be really happy if you gave her flowers, even if she did find it strange. Please anon, your stubbornness makes me want to cry, and I'm not even your mother.

>>716961423
this is true anon but the thing is that most people's egos are anxious and craving of instant gratification. They want results and they want them NOW, this is why this "drug" is more of a tool in the eyes of the shamans

>>716961414
OP here, i live in ecuador at the moment, I recommend you come here and go to a place called Puyo, in that little town you will find some touristic places that offer shamanic help

>>716961532
I understand you are defending the cause my brother, but this is not the way to do it, like i said before you cannot change things with negativity you must show them the proper behavior through positivity

>>716961532
Without technological and industrial progress humanity would never reach 7+ billion. Lay off the drugs moron.

>>716961806
Why should there be so many humans? You must realize there is such thing as technology and industry that doesn't harm the ecosystem.

>>716961806
OP here

do you not realize that we have only made our lives more complex?
the best way to live in a simple life. look at all the negative things that have happened to humanity because of all this complexity. I am not saying everything is horrible but I just want to point out that your commodity and material possessions do not make you a good person and they do not make you happy.

you are living a more comfortable life at the expense of your relationship with the greater good.

If you don't care about being a good person then maybe you are in the wrong thread, or at least in the right thread at the wrong time.

>>716961111
https://templeofthewayoflight.org/retreats/ayahuasca-retreats/

>Special 9-Day Women’s Ayahuasca Retreat

THANK YOU SO MUCH, I AM SO GLAD THIS EXISTS

>>716961989
>Why should there be so many humans?
Because in numbers is strength and bigger chance of survival of our species.

>>716962147
Welcome anon. Journey well.

what if i have no experience using any kind of drugs (also never been drunk call me pussy fite me)
is it safe?

>>716962079
You are completely oblivious to what it means to be human. Life for us was never fine and dandy nor will ever be. Life is one big struggle and fight and you are just a quitter trying to rationalise your pussy tap-out.

>>716962334

It will make the experience a lot more intense, which could actually be a good thing in my opinion, the more traumatic and intense the more grateful of the the experience you will be in my opinion

OP here, do not fear, conquer your fears if you do. Face them straight forward so you can grow.

>>716962513
I understand your view point, but that's not how the spirit works. You're actually submitting to the negative wave that you are a part of, which is sad to see, its some kind of Stockholm Syndrome. I used to think just like you, but you must work on yourself before you think you have the right to change the world.

>>716962147
when i first decided to try this i was warned by a friend not to. they said once you do this you cannot undo it. it messed me up bad. took me years to undo the damage. so i will tell all you thinking this will change your life the same thing. dont do it. you cant undo it. sure you could have a good experience. but what if it ruins your life?

i had a dmt breakthrough while coming up on 12 drops of acid for my first psychedelic trip. im still not sure if i regret doing it but it certainly fucked my perception up

>>716962715
thats what they said about prison, i turned out good kek

>>716962179
Not when the numbers are so many that with the current technology we act as parasites on the environment. Then the numbers become a weakness, not a strength.

>>716962715

OP here,

it cant ruin your life, it will force you to see the truth and if you cant submit to that then i don't know what to tell you. Ayahuasca will help you get connected to the greater good.

>>716962754
Please do not do these things just for fun, especially if they are synthetic which means they are easier to attain. the psychedelic experience puts your mind in a very fragile state

>>716962179
The only threat to human existence is human existence. Our numbers and lifestyles (in the developed world) are completely unsustainable. Your point is nonsense.

>>716962715
Too late, I've already been in a psych ward. You can't scare me away from this.

>>716962686
>I understand
No you don't. You just think you do. Knowing and thinking is not the same thing. You are a bitch and I hope you don't reproduce because you are nothing but a drag on resources. Nature that you hold so dearly to your heart has no mercy for weakness. If you love us all so much kys and don't be a drag on humanity. You are just slowing down natural selection. Taking mind altering drugs should be enough of a proof that you are retarded.

>>716962715
Where did you do it? Who with? Why was your experience bad? I'm asking 'cos your post sounds like scaremongering bs.

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Lovely to see threads like this.
Have you heard of Eckhart Tolle OP?

>>716963166
what do you suggest, discipline? btfo

>>716963166
Yet another cry for the medicine.

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>>716963259
How about TM?

>>716962982

you sound like some 15 year old who had his first psychedelic experience and is now convinced hes some kind of mystical mellow shaman offering enlightenment.

>>716957648
Saying that is also egotripping bro

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I'm outahere OP. Good work with this thread. It's helped focus my mind. I'll be back to try and help any anons I might be able to...

>>716963016
this

they are selfish and egocentric, you must let go of the "me" mentality and submit to the "us"

you are part of the "us," the greater good weather you want to or not, and if you resist you will only suffer.

which is what the world is going through right now

>>716963104
Do not fear, you have nothing to lose anyway if you truly think you are lost mentally like i was, it could be a spiritual issue.

>>716963166
kek, such negativity do you actually expect to make a change here? if this were a room and we were all together here discussing irl everyone would avoid you.

>>716963259
yes i have! I love his life story, he was such a miserable person and went through a lot of things that I went through and he is now at peace, the energies that the transmits are amazing

>>716963402
I've had many psychedelic experiences but this was the most important one that I've had. I don't think that I am what you just said, I'm just trying to communicate to you what I experienced, I'm not better than anyone here and you certainly aren't better than me for trying to talk down to me like this

>>716963567
goodbye anon, good luck in life you are loved don't let the negativity drown you if you come across it

>>716963698
>negativity
It's just reality. Take it as you will.

>>716952454
But it feels good to shit on negative people.

>>716963225
i went to a retreat with friends. when i came out i hated the people i went with. i stopped talking to people after a wile. i lost my job and my gf broke up with me. to this day i always think what i say offends people. the experience had the reverse effect then what you guys say. i wanted to not be alive after. not the other way around.

>>716957648
This a thousand times

>>716963984
It makes you feel superior doesn't it?
I've always been the negative person to shit be shit on, and when I could find someone worse than me I would shit on them.

It's such a horrible and vicious cycle, its up to you to end it.

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>>716957648
I think there is a balance here.
OP had an experience that made a profound impact on his life, and is now on one end of the spectrum.
Now he's already afraid of losing that state of mind, which is a direct pathway to suffering if you ask me.

These experiences almost always fade away, and in the long run you realise that there is a balance between not letting your ego have its way, at the same time as you need to let go of controlling it entirely.

I will continue to lurk /b/, but will avoid the regular negative threads that plant horrible ideas in your head, i will be here to spread some positivity where it is needed and looked for

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thank you OP

>>716960358
Specifically which philosophies helped you the most?