Such a nice Christmas surprise to hear that our President elect

Trump is pragmatic and not some naive hippie tard in regards to global politics

>>716398980
Do you have a source, or are you talking out of your ass?

>>716399183

So befriending russia and it's brutal dictatorship is the pragmatic thing to do? LOL

You don't pick a fight with the biggest baddest motherfucker around.

>>716398980
It was just a fucking tweet, if our democracy is so great we can probably stop his most retarded ideas.

>>716399297
>i don't like war
>we shouldn't be on good terms with another huge military power

Pick one

>>716399385
Representative republic

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Cry harder libtard. Maybe one day youll realize that you were wrong the whole time

>>716399464
>not understanding foreign policy

yeah, Russia just wants to be friends with us, they in no way have any sorts of interests that conflict with our own

>>716398980
The Cold War was great fagget, movies were awesome during the cold war

>>716398980
Wow thats totally a fact, that totally happened.
Sure does... not questioning, no sir, we gotta believe everything nowdays or else you are a russian spy.

>>716399823
> we each make some compromises
> nuclear war

pick one teenager

>I wonder how CTR is transitioning to the post election life

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>>716398980

>>716400878
I do think that Trump is a reckless, unaccountable halfwit, but you actually make a good point.

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>>716400878
faggot have you not been reading the news?

its either one of three things:

1. he is a a reckless idiot when it comes to throwing around the topic of nukes

2. someone around him informed this is a great strategy to look tough, but he ends up looking like point 1

3. he is working with the russians to "start" an arms race, but when he becomes president he will come in a stop all this from happening to look like a great leader, a facade of sorts

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>>716398980
We're fucked.

>The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes.
>Let it be an arms race. We will outmatch them at every pass and outlast them all.
--Donald Trump, President-elect of the United States of America

>>716398980
Nuclear weapons are a deterrent retard, he's protecting the nation. I bet you voted for crooked Hillary.

>>716398980
Angry retarded lefty scum detected, stay mad loser :^)

MAGA

>>716403160
The US currently has 4500 nukes, retard. That's enough to extinguish all life on the planet 10 times over.

>>716401667
ok and?

>>716404907
If you seriously fail to see the cognitive dissonance in that tweet, that's just sad. "This crazy world keeps making more nukes, so let's make more too." He also ignores that fact that we already have enough nukes to kill every person on the planet multiple times, as if once isn't enough, and now he wants even more. Fucking retarded.

>>716405380
He's saving money on air force one to spend it on nukes.

>>716405798
Let's not waste money over here so we CAN waste money over there. Thanks Trump!

>>716399183
Because burgerland doesn't have enough nukes already. You're almost smart enough to be a politician

>>716399370
Yeah you do, you cut off the cunts balls while he's asleep and watch him bleed out

>>716399292
How do you go through a fucking day without hearing National news?

>>716403269
Good argument... nothing lefty about following Reagans lead to reduce nukes

This is not a liberal-conservative thing. Both parties have embraced nuclear arms reductions in order to prevent accidental nuke war. Trump is just a cowardice idiot that wants to look tough.

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>>716399464

>>716407453

Russia hasn't stopped limiting nukes.

In fact, after Trump announced this, Putin said he wasn't interested in an arms race.

Why? Trump isn't some numale cuck like Obama.

>Red line in Syria kek
>Reset with Russia kek

Now leftists are bringing back McCarthyism.

You can't make this shit up.

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>>716407675

>>716407838
What's the difference

>>716404274

Because they're all going to go off, right?

Seriously, it's like watching a dog trying to do long division because it was carrying a calculator in its mouth.

Suddenly leftists are all up on the military industrial complex and think they know everything about it because some comedian or vapid newsreader made some snarky comment that made them laugh.

>>716408374
Haha, it's funny to watch you try to think

>>716408374
His numbers maybe way off but his point is solid. We got more nukes than anyone and by a mile. U think we don't have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the entire world?

I was actually hoping to see some kind of reasonable argument supporting Trumps position. No trumpers out there got such info?

I just read an article about some guys from my hometown who just got back from basic training. They've signed up for the Marines basically exactly when Trump took power.

This president is even more likely to jump into the wrong kind of war than the last Republican president... and that tard's stupid war is still going on!

Poor guys.

>>716398980
The last arms race crushed the Soviet Union

>>716408374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_the_United_States#United_States_strategic_nuclear_weapons_arsenal

>Guy reads a black-and-white number straight out of a reference
>YEW LIBERLS ALWAYS TELL LIES
>Literally the published number

It's going to be a long four years

>>716410183
>It's going to be a long four years

I plan on pointing and laughing at them while they cry "It wasn't supposed to happen to us!"

Why has no one shot this man yet?

All his ideas are horrible. And the good ones he doesn't keep.

The country is FULL of deranged gunmen. There's gotta be SOMEONE willing to save our planet and kill this man.

>>716410493
Baby's first election? Settle down

>>716410129

First, the world is a different place. There is no superpower that is competitive with us in terms of military and economic power. This means that us building more will not cause Russia to build more and so our wasted money on even more nukes will not cause them to waste their money too.

2. You are simply wrong about history. That's what Reagan thought when he took office, that an arms race was in our interests. But he got together with Boris Yeltsin to reduce nukes, around '86 I believe, years before the fall of the Soviet Union. They were already on a quick decline as a result of their non market economy... not because we were building nukes. Reagan recognized this and changed course accordingly.

I've been with trump on everything until this nuclear arms race.

Its not a good idea.

>>716405380
Thats actually not true. Its a myth. There's an anon who did the maths but I cbf finding the post. Its christmas fuck you.

Stop spouting some shit you heard at the pub.

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>>716411302
>Stop spouting some shit you heard at the pub.
>Does literally that.

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>>716409728
>trumpers
>reasonable argument

pick one

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>>716410901
Cool, just wanted to see where your line was.

>>716409728
Do you think Trump supporters browse this fucking subreddit?

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>>716409728
Most of the Trump support you see here is people employed by the Russian propaganda machine. Now that Trump is talking about rebooting the Cold War, Russia is rethinking their support for him. You'll probably see radio silence for a while here until they come up with a new strategy.

>>716411302
Well, that anon was wrong. Big fucking surprise, huh? Here's the math:

http://gizmodo.com/5899569/how-many-nukes-would-it-take-to-blow-up-the-entire-planet

There are enough nukes in the world to destroy the entire landmass on Earth's surface with fire. As the article states, this doesn't even take radiation and climate effects into account.

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>>716398980
>implying we weren't doing so already

support of trump by Russia was intended to inject discontent into the US and to make us question our elections and electoral process.

they weren't expecting him to win.
now they are playing him like a flute

see >>716407880

>>716399297
Not wanting war with Russia doesn't mean we support Putin.
But didn't you cucks mock Romney in 2008 for calling Russia a threat? Were you wrong then or now?

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>>716413740

>>716398980
B-but he t-tells it how i-it is...

nuking china into a desert will be fun
Germany is on way to getting neutron bombed as well

>>716414069
because they definitely would never decide to nuke us back... If we decide to nuke someone, the domino effect it going to leave us all in the deepest shit.

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>>716413810

>>716399297

It's fucking ITS.

>>716414543
lol
ever heard of missile defense
hek if we lose new york and frisco, all the better

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>>716414659

You pay US!
Whats in it for US?
I love Trump mindset.
So awesome to have someone on our side for once.
Not just looters like feinstein boxer cummings reggel etc.

>>716407353
By deliberately avoiding it. I've done this exact thing for many years now. I don't need that shit in my life.

>>716413565
2.7 million illegal Mexicans can't be wrong

>>716415206
I like your style dude, that one slips by most people.

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It's hilarious seeing all the trumptards do these elaborate mental gymnastics and miles of backpadeling to keep justifying the massive (yet completely predictable) disappointment Trump has been so far.
Keep it up, fucktards. Can't wait to see you faggots go all "he'll take it seriously in the second term...!" in 2020 like the Obama fanboys did in 2012.

>>716416541
lol fucking fag saying words like trumptards
LOL
you find will it is you are are the tard
we won fuko!
lol
I bet you say shit liek drump too!!
fukin nerd!!
lol
get a job
obama won due to vote fraud and is worst president of all time!
:)
even worse than FDR who caused the great depression

>>716412320

>this fucking subreddit
>/b/
>subreddit

either this is some fresh meme or you're and huge faggot

Trump won, if you idiotic libtards couldnt counter him when he was still a weak candidate, what do you think you can possibly do now?

>>716417643
Its a stale meme, he didnt mean it literally.

>>716418036
kek
Might as well put that other pants shitting draft dodger Ted Nugent on that tank with him too.

>5 time deferment
>bone spurs in heel
>can't remember which foot when called out on it during campaign

>>716416408
kewl may-may dood

It's pointless to discuss anything with trumpanzees. They don't have the intelligence to figure out what is a fact let alone discuss a subject. Best to just let them rant and work to contain them.

>>716419121
Except that sort of complacency is what allowed their candidate to get elected and run our country into the ground.

>>716398980
>*too

Guess all that nigger semen that's been pumped into your head is finally starting to fuck up your neurotransmission.

>>716419121

What about people who voted trump to keep Hillary out of the white house, knowing a third party vote in this election cycle would be a boon to her?

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>>716417140
>you find will it is you are are the tard
You sure showed him, anon.

>>716419758
dude no self portraits please
your embaressing yourself
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxXfHxceMg4

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>>716419097
>thinks America is a democracy
>thinks America was supposed to be a democracy
>thinks democracy would work over such a geologically large nation

cool story bro

>>716417912
Buy a shit ton of popcorn, sit back, and watch the world burn. We tried to protect you idiots from yourselves, but you weren't havin it. Now we do it your way and spend the next 4 years laughing at how retarded you are.

>>716420012
Indeed we are.

>>716419994
kewl strawman dood

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>>716419967
>your embaressing yourself

>>716398980
As a proud American, this orange asshole and his dwarfs can fight their war without me

>>716398980
Nothing stimulates the economy more than the industrial military complex.
>promises the nation a new raging nuclear boner

>>716400878
tfw life hasn't taught you to see the future.

>>716412889
Putin wouldn't even be peddling

>>716399292
Another fucking faggot with downs, fuck you and your fucking trump supporting gang of the mentally and physically retarded

>>716420593
This is a myth. Getting to the moon did far more for the economy than any war has.

>>716421576

>>716421576

>>716421576

>>716404907
bitch you asked for a source, are you fucking thick?

>>716398980
>bring back

Obama committed a trillion to the nuclear arsenal, fucktard.

>>716398980
In times of war the president has near absolute power. It's a political tactic and it's win-win because everyone will be kissing his ass to prevent it.

>>716417140
Underage

>>716398980
All during the race, Trump was going on and on about how America tells the enemy it's plans in advance and gives away all of it's surprises

Goes on Twitter to announce he wants more nukes

>>716422110
This.

It is called modernization. And Hillary was so eager to use it.

>All these salty libtards and hillshills condensed into one thread

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA it's already Christmas and the salt is still flowing as the snow keeps falling.

You've lost not once (the election) not twice (but they will impeach him becuz r-rr-russia!) but thrice! (he would not get any electoral votes!). This is one of the best Christmas I've ever seen and it is ABSOLUTELY COMFY! oh and the best meme of all:

>b-bbut our nukes can destroy le world!

Keep up with your retardation, libs don't choke too much with eggnogs and coals.

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Anything Trump says about Russia is a feeble attempt to cover his bromance with Putin.

>>716399464
We were on good terms with China. Russia is weak and always will be.

>>716413214
Notice you get no reply to something more complicated than shouting and throwing feces. Trumptards are the lowest form of human evolution.

>>716406586
Suffocation no breathing dont give a fuck if its only edge I am feeling

>>716416408
They're not registered. Try again trumptard.

>>716423855
Don't have to provide a social to register in California

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>>716406586
kek impliying you would do shit from your room faggot

Maybe you should climb inside Hilary's pussy where it's nice and safe

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>>716399370

That would be America, Trumptard, NOT Russia.

Holy fuck, since when did Republicans became such a bunch of cowardly bitches?

>>716398980

Uhhh, Anon... the nuclear arsenal had been updated several times over the years. It's part of the responsibility of maintaining one. This is nothing new. At all.

Stop watching the mainstream media... your brain cells are dying.

>>716424027
Actually in a lot of states all you have to have is a drivers license number. And in a lot of those states they still issue DLs to illegals.

>>716424348
>your brain cells are dying.

most ironic post of 2016.

>>716424255
I think that's what he meant but it's hard to tell since he wasn't replying to anyone.

>>716413749

but Trump DOES support Putin. Have you not been paying attention?

>>716413749

Russia isn't a threat, because we've been keeping them in check since the end of the cold war. Allowing them to do whatever we want now and they might actually become a threat.

>>716398980

This is not a good choice. In fact, this is the opposite of the only thing that is paramount for the survival of our species. This is moving in the direction of the one mathematically provable extinction level event that is relevant in this point in time.

>>716413810


This. Putin is smarter than trump. Trump just wants to be his friend so bad.

>>716398980
going to start an arms race
>>716399297
by befriending Russia

I'm guessing you kids weren't alive in the 80's. The thing that made the arms race scary wasn't the fact that we were building up our arsenal, it was the fact that we had a mortal enemy in the form of an idologically opposed nation that might try to obliterate us because they thought we were trying to take over the world and we thought they were trying to take over the world. Mutually Assured Destruction fueled the arms race because both sides felt that if they didn't keep pace with the other side that they'd one day be obliterated in a preemptive nuclear strike.

The modern Russia is capitalist, the Cold War is over, and we and Russia are currently jointly engaged against a common enemy. Nothing about the arms race applies to current politics unless you let the Democratic Party convince you that we need to pick a fight with Russia.

>>716424830
That's a completely illiterate explanation. Power politics, which is what you trupanzees seem to think is so masculine and manly doesn't require an ideological foe. It merely requires someone who what's what you've got or what you control. Fucking illiterate trumpanzees.

>>716418036
I totally want an AA-12 Eagle pet.

ITS CHRISTMAS.

WHERE IS JIZZ BOTTLES DUDE?

>>716425395
>illiterate
>someone who what's what you've got
>illiterate

Okay, let me take that back a step for you:
>arms race
Against whom? Who are we playing against right now? How many decades of catch-up would they need to match our current nuclear capability? How would our updating aging equipment antagonize them and make them more of a threat.
Keep in mind, OP is crying about "an arms race" and that kind of implicitly implies an opponent in said arms race.

Who is this "someone who what's what" that you are referring to? Our new friend Russia? Because there aren't many countries out there that could possibly "arms race" against us and one of everyone's chief criticisms of our new President is that he likes that one country and wants to get along with them instead of antagonizing them.

>>716398980
I want nukes to drop. I'm ready for the end. I hope he nukes everyone and then they nuke us. I'd take MASSIVE pleasure in knowing the world was ending and all you mother fuckers were dying with me. :)

>>716398980
Obama was smart enough not to get into a passing contest with Putyn, who could buttfuck Trump in Red square and still be considered a Russian God.

Apparently Trump needs his plumbing stuffed....

>>716425909
Because you are slow. The great thing about nuclear weapons is they don't have to be state of the art, they just have to get there. Don't have to have a lot of them either. So either China or Russia is quite capable of wiping out the US. Furthermore, as was an issue in the cold war, Russia got twitchy not because they were mad but because they were so far behind. Russia is not the US's friend. They didn't work to get an incompetent child in the white house because they just wanted to help. China feels as though they are ascendant and are stretching their wings. So yes, there are two very potential opponents and an incompetent child in the white house quite capable of fucking everything up. Fucking illiterate trumpanzees.

>>716427017
>They didn't work to get an incompetent child in the white house because they just wanted to help.

correct... they didnt do anything to the elections at all you moron.... if the CIA has any proof at all that Russia leaked Hilary's emails than they should be THANKING Russia for outing a corrupt bitch within the US government... thats journalism

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>>716402434
So this is where you cucks come and try to ply your memes. What's wrong widdle faggot, was /pol/ too hard on you?

>>716427355
ALL the intelligence agencies concur that Russia worked to influence the outcome of the election and their actions were directed to obtain a trump victory. ALL OF THEM. You trumpanzees are beyond illiterate, you are delusional.

>>716407675
Lulz. What?!?

You fucking dumb shills can't keep your own bullshit straight. First Trump is Putin's puppet and now Trump just want's to poke Putin to look tough. Which is it faggot?

>>716427884
OK faggot. I'll play along. Russia worked to obtain a Trump victory. Too accomplish what exactly?

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>>716398980

>>716427884
>assume i am a Trump supporter?
>not even from the US
Russia knew that Hilary wanted a no fly zone over Syria .... in order to do so would require going to war with Russia

still doesnt detract from the fact that outing Hilary was a good thing

dont resort to name calling when you cant provide an argument

>>716428147
this is so ionic because Trump can't take the least bit of criticism without crying about it on his twitter like a child.

>>716427017
America has offensive missile systems
Russia has defensive missile systems

Building more weapons doesn't eliminate the problem that America can't nuke Russia because no missile would land, and Russia can't attack America because it spent all its efforts in making defensive missiles.

When Putin expanded Russian nuke capabilities in 2005 everyone shat themselves, but he said in a Russian conference that he was only making defensive missiles to shoot down new American offensive ones.

The whole thing is total bullshit, Trump is just trying to copy Putin, he's an egomaniac who idolises a dictator. Trump believes Putin is a great leader, but he doesn't even realise that Russia has NEVER experienced successful democracy, it's not a democratic country, never has been.

Also Trump is catastrophically BAD for the US because he's so divisive, and all the Trump supporters care more about one-upping Clinton supporters than they actually do about any economic, social or political policies. The ironic thing about all of this is that Trump actually supports Clinton, he just turned her into an enemy to win the election, and all of the Trump fags still buy it, when he's sold them down the river.

Trump is bad for the US because he divided the entire nation because he was too lazy or stupid to run a campaign on issues and policies

>>716398980
Alright, you slobbering fuckface. What is being talked about is modernizing and fixing our nuclear capability from decades of neglect. Not an arms race. Anybody that doesn't get their news strictly from Occupy Democrats could see that.

Sincerely,

An Air Force Officer

>>716428073
To have someone who thinks he's a swell guy, which the incompetent child actually thinks. By doing so, he obtains greater freedom to operate without US interference for Russian objectives as well as get the sanctions hampering his countries economy reduced or eliminated. Instead of facing a foe, as he would have with Hillary, he has someone who's incompetent as well at his "friend". Not hard if you're not an illiterate trumpanzee.

>>716428464
Furthermore, Trump is a fucking genius because:

>Trump doesn't solve any issues, he just creates new ones to have the appearance of somebody who can solve issues

>Of all the problems happening immediately, ie: Refugees, ISIS, etc. Nuclear arms is a complete non-issue, America has a monopoly on nukes

but Trump can't solve the refugees or ISIS, instead he starts piping up about nuclear arms, and everyone starts talking about it like it's an immediate issue

>So now whatever Trump does, it looks like he's fixing a problem that he created, nobody was talking about nukes before Trump, the only threat to nuclear safety atm is Iran, which Obama was dealing with by communicating with Iran.

>What does Trump do? "Build more nukes!" this doesn't solve the problem of Iran having nukes, Iran won't do anything with them anyway because America already has the capability of turning Iran into a shit-stain, but now Trump is fixing a problem, and everybody forgets about the real, immediate issues

>>716428464
lel, and clinton didn't do the same? it takes 2 to tango

>>716428174
>Hillary wanted a no fly zone over Syria
Let's look at that for a second to put some perspective on all of this.

The US is actively *physically* intervening in Syria's internal politics by supplying weapons to a group of rebels. We're fighting against one set of rebels (ISIL) while supporting another in the attempt to topple the current government. Russia is supporting the existing government against *all* rebels, including the ones we want to install as a puppet government of the US.

So...
Russia releases true information that affects people's opinions, and those people then vote legitimately in the election...NOT OKAY.

USA releases free assault weapons that it won't even allow its own citizens to own and those people then kill people who disagree with them ... PERFECTLY OKAY

>>716429084
First rate analysis. Well done.

>>716428649
So now Putin has a installed a man who is actually willing to invest in military infrastructure and invest in US nuclear capacity? Do you realize has ridiculous this sounds?

>We already have enough nukes to kill everyone in the world
Trump is a damn moron, but this statement isn't really true, especially when you consider that the bombs that would potentially be launched would only be aimed at certain target locations.

Life would be shitty for them, but there would be survivors.

Military airdefensefag here.

Our nuclear arsenal is nearing the end of it's shelf life soon. The components in most of the missiles are 30 years old. Within the next year our nukes are going to start becoming useless slag. We have to build new ones in order to maintain the arsenal that keeps mutually assured destruction alive.

>>716429232
If trump moves to modernize, it gives putin cover to both modernize and end start agreements. And how do you know putin's end game isn't to inflame US / China relations to ther point of conflict? That is very beneficial to putin.

>>716398980
clinton. trump. we were in nasty little hands either way. it's a great time to be a hustler though. ive made about 200k this year alone. plenty of tender little faggots on either side willing to pour out their wallets to people like me under the table if they think i'm fighting for their favorite flavor of freedom.

>>716399297
>being american
>"dat country is a dictatorship"

You guys are fucking stupid wtf read some books if you're able to

>>716429170
>Russia releases true information
how is this NOT OKAY? youd prefer not to know?

>USA releases free assault weapons
i never claimed the USA does terrible things... certainly never said it was "PERFECTLY OKAY"

>>716399183
>Trump is pragmatic
At this point I'm not surprised someone is capable of unironically formulating this sentence.

>>716429617
Putin doesn't need cover to do shit. If you hadn't noticed, he does whatever he wants anyway. So does China btw. Honestly think it's time for the left to get off this Russia BS. It's jumped the shark in so many ways and coming from your side, just sounds like sour grapes considering the Russia position the left has taken over the last 40 years.

>>716429240
It depends on how many you fire off.
Honestly, you can't nuke anyone on earth without also killing people in a neighboring country because fallout is a thing and the air moves while the earth spins. Nuke North Korea and you'll kill people in India. Not immediately, it will take years for them to die of leukemia, but it will happen.

Furthermore, the MOAB is already a thing. Carpet-bombing of Dresden back in WWII proved that you don't need nukes to powder a city. Nuclear weapons are scary, but aren't actually the most destructive form of warfare nor are they ever the prudent choice.

They are, however, so scary that they caused pretty much everyone who isn't a frothing religious zealot to give up on the idea of conquering the world militarily. Their very existence prevents full-scale international wars.

>>716399637

Like with Bush Jr?

Oh wait....

>>716398980
the true enemy here is Islam .... STOP vilifying Russia or US or China and focus on the actual largest cause of terror attacks in modern times ... the ideology of fucking Islam

>>716429167
Clinton built a campaign on lies and pretense for supporting gay rights, womens rights, immigrant rights. Where is her support for those rights after she lost the election? Nowhere. Everybody knows this, and has known it all along. She's a bitch, a complete bitch, but at least if she got elected she'd drop the bull shit and be president, for better or worse. Trump won't drop the bullshit because the bullshit is an integral part of who he is. He doesn't know what he's doing so he has to continually manipulate the media to make out like he's doing something. Clinton wouldn't continually bombard you with outrageous media, she'd just do her job quietly. I'm not American so I don't give a fuck i don't read your news, but holy shit i got a taste of American media during your election and i'd rather kill myself than spend a day locked in a room with an American tv.

>>716429194
thanks

>>716429651
Russia IS a dictatorship by proxy, if you don't know this, you're the one who doesn't know history. The brief period where Russia had real democracy was after Yeltsin. Russian's don't care about democracy, it simply wouldn't work there, the country is like a continent, the issues faced by a Russian president are so different from any other president, so the Russians accept the lack of democracy because it's been pretending to be democratic since 1917, everybody knows it hasn't been though, this is called hyper-normalisation

>>716429986
Putin does need cover to do things, he just lies, for example Russia supposedly withdrew from Syria last year, they even held a ceremony to commemorate them leaving, you can watch it on youtube. Russia hasn't left though. Putin's power lies in the fact that nobody knows what he's up to, that's exactly what Trump idolises, the fact that he can do anything he wants, because he just tells the media that he isn't doing it, and he's doing something else, something they'll like so they shut up about what he's really up to.

>>716430062
Wrong board for this argument, my little cucked friend. I doubt you'll see many Bush supporters on this site.

>>716429987

It would actually only take a few to produce enough radiation to give cancer the whole world.

Radiation gets into water, flows into ocean, the whole world gets stage 4 cancer within the few years after that.

Not to mention the blackout from nuclear winter. The earth would look like the matrix surface if we even launch a few dozens of those things.

A 2014 report published in the journal Earth's Future found that even a regional war of 100 nuclear detonations would produce 5 teragrams of black soot (that's 5,000,000,000 kg!) that would rise up to Earth's stratosphere and block sunlight. This would produce a sudden drop in global temperatures that could last longer than 25 years and temporarily destroy much of the Earth's protective ozone layer. This could also cause as much as an 80% increase in UV radiation on Earth's surface and destroy both land and sea-based ecosystems, potentially leading to global nuclear famine.

>>716430286

That's my point. All you neocons supported the shit out of bush at the time, used the same arguments, calling liberals pussies for decrying his illegal war, etc... And we were all vindicated when it turned out he was a dumb lying cunt.

Same thing will happen with trump. But your type will never smarten up. Go worship your dead god.

>>716429702
>how is this NOT OKAY?
It's okay with ME. I think we should be thanking Russia (if it even was them). That's exactly my point: why is it okay for us to provide militants in another country with assault weapons but not okay for Russia to provide voters in another country with the truth?

Why is the media treating this like the hackers are the bad guys and not the DNC?

We, by virtue of our interference in a LONG list of middle-eastern countries, have absolutely no moral high-ground to stand on when it comes to influencing politics in another country. And even though we've been doing this for decades in the eastern hemisphere, the moment that US politics may have been influenced by accurate information provided by (possibly) another country it's suddenly the worst kind of sacrilege and a threat to our sovereignty?

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>>716403754
Fucking well said, anon. This is the right logic. Also, an important point to be made is: those with the strongest military/nuclear force act as a deterrent to anyone else who might threaten them. Deterrence is critically important.

>>716430194
Like anyone of intelligence watches tv....
And Clinton needs the news. She also thrives off of the attention and power.

>>716430194
>Putin does need cover to do things, he just lies, for example Russia supposedly withdrew from Syria last year, they even held a ceremony to commemorate them leaving, you can watch it on youtube. Russia hasn't left though. Putin's power lies in the fact that nobody knows what he's up to, that's exactly what Trump idolises, the fact that he can do anything he wants, because he just tells the media that he isn't doing it, and he's doing something else, something they'll like so they shut up about what he's really up to.

Dude, you've just supported my idea that Putin does whatever the fuck he wants and doesn't need to influence elections to do so. Was that what you were trying to do?

>>716430298
>a sudden drop in global temperatures that could last longer than 25 years
So...
Like....
What if we just set off 5 or 6? Could we just nuke "global warming"?

>>716430620
i don't mean specifically the TV
media is everywhere nowadays, and the media makes everybody dumb. Clinton thrives off power, but power doesn't necessitate being in your face with outrageous shit, you wouldn't see president-elect clinton banging on about nuclear arms, she'd just do her job, kiss some babies like old politicians

>>716430689
my point was that Trump has and will copy the tactics employed by Putin, the tactics we both agree that Putin uses

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>>716398980
never been so happy to be european. you guys screwed up big time.

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>>716430425
This isn't a neoconservative board. Lurk more faggot, maybe then you'll understand. The Bushies are hated here. The only neocon in the election was Hillary. Go debate old school style on Reddit. Your arguments are antiquated.

>>716401667
FUCK THIS FUCKING MORON
>Trade wars with other countries, goodbye affordable stuff, hello overpriced shit.
>Goldman and Sachs execs and oil tycoons in the cabinet, like if wall street doesn't fuck us enough
>Fuck the fucking economy so rednecks can keep their low skilled jobs that will vanish in a few years due to automation anyways.
>Spend tax payer money in a new fucking arms race, because having nukes that we'll never use because we'll fuck the planet is an excellent idea

But hey! you beated the liberals! congratu-fucking-lations, now feminism and affirmative action is a thing of the past... oh wait, not it isn't, in fact is going to be shoved up our ass even harder than before.

>>716430525
I laughed way harder at this image than I should have...

>>716430475
yeh this was exactly my point in my original post that you replied to about Hilary wanting a no fly zone over Syria.

US media ... even Obama himself is acting like Russian hackers are the enemy now...

and you are spot on with that comment on US interfering for decades ... US was best friends with Saddam...,and Gaddafi ... armed him... then turned on him when it was beneficial.

>>716403754
>It's ALWAYS about who has the bigger guns
nope, you retard. literally don't ake a fucking difference to have 4500 nuclear weapons or not. at this point the race is from who have the best defenses against them since when shit hits the fan 10/50 nukes are more than enough for each side.
Stop thinking that complex questions can be reduced to a clichè sentence you imbecil.

>>716430062
Of him but I hated bush and voted against him once and for Obama twice and I still voted trump. Specifically for the things that came out of hillarys mouth.

>>716430912
>my point was that Trump has and will copy the tactics employed by Putin, the tactics we both agree that Putin uses

And Putin wants his own tactics used against him? How does that help Putin?

>>716427926
>implying someone ever said putin
he has to look though to the country nigger, since it's the only thing he can base his consent off. but you bought all the bullshit he said to this point so you might as well believe that i shit strawberry cake.

>>716431404
Not* not of him

>>716431465
it's not like he owns the tactics, has copyrighted them or something you fucking idiot, how can Putin stop Trump from lying? They're both friends, Putin already owns Trump, who's the politician here, Putin or Trump? Trump is gonna be taking his text book and lunch box every time he meets with Putin

>>716424830
Really though, i think Tussoa is only using this coalition as an opportunity to seize additional terrority, but honestly i think we should do the same. Having a bunch of Americans and Russians in the middle east and Africa is far preferable to filling it with niggers and sand niggers.

>>716399464
Russia as a military power is quite weak, the thorn is they have nukes. Look at the Kuznetsov, piss poor maintenance and quality, China is the country to fear, they can afford maintenance and decent units and are building up their navy at a breakneck pace. Russia an asshooe outpost, destined to become more and more isolated due to wanton militancy.

>>716431465
>How does that help Putin?
Maybe the US and Russia become such good friends, so ideologically similar, that a decade or two down the road we unite into a larger body? Sure, Canada would shit their pants because they'd be caught in the middle (look at the globe from the north pole, not the equator) of the largest country on earth, but everyone else would shit their pants in rainbow colors.
All we'd really need is a socially/politically acceptable common enemy. Someone that everyone could agree to hate. If only there were some aspiring world-conquering backwater religious zealots somewhere that we could get everyone to hate on....

>>716431526
So are you saying there is bipartisan support for arms reduction. I don't remember hearing the Repubs ever coming out strong for arms reduction, maybe you have sauce for this. As for the incompetent saber rattling of the Dems as of late, do they, other than Obama and the doves, still support arms reductions.

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>>716431811
You are a typing contradiction faggot. You say Putin owns Trump, and yet Trump will do things that Putin won't necessarily like, such as increase Military spending and modernizing Nuclear capabilities. Maybe your definition of own is different than mine.

There is nothing better then white people killing white people I support trump

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>>716432055
I remember getting called a tinfoil hat for thinking Hillary might be sick. This sorta thing is getting out of hand with you guys.

>>716403754
>it's safe to assume that we have to prepare ourselves for the worst. It's ALWAYS about who has the bigger guns. If we're going to be strong armed, then we'll fight fight back.

Escalation of nuclear power is fucking stupid, we can't fight back whitout fucking the planet, that was the point of the cold war, if one side starts a nuclear attack then the whole planet is going to burn. If the escalation continues eventually one force is going to not give a shit and fuck everything rather than surrender.
That was the reason for the effort to reduce the nuclear power, because having trigger happy morons with a finger on the button is a stupid way to live and an easy way to wipe our civilization; but it needs to be a 2 way effort, now that no side gives a fuck we are about to live in cold war 2.0, fucking yaaay.

>>716426020
my nigger.

>>716432107
Not him but I don't think anyone wants to lessen their conventional arms. And every first world country would jump on ridding ourselves of nuclear arms if a real opportunity presented itself. But here's the thing. Nukes in the world are like guns in America. There are millions of them and we don't even know where they all are. And even if there was a massive nuke collection that magically got them all and we locked them in a steel box we sent into deep space, you can't stop knowledge. Someone would always be able to build another one. Even if it was very primitive and made from scratch.

>>716432055
>Maybe the US and Russia become such good friends, so ideologically similar, that a decade or two down the road we unite into a larger body?

No we won't. Maybe some nationalist extremists are romanticizing Russia right now; but we are fundamentally diferent in many aspects.

>>716432658
I'm not saying this is any kind of far-reaching plan. I'm just saying that the US and Russia becoming more ideologically similar and cooperative could work out in a net gain for Russia, that's all.

>>716432918
Actually we're well past the point where anyone of any intelligence still believes we're ever going to have a full-scale nuclear exchange. The real threat these days is the "dirty bomb" comprised of regular explosives with some nuclear material just packed in/around it so you get fallout without having a decades-long nuclear program. The kind of thing a terrorist would set off in a foreign land, for example.
We can't have "cold war 2.0" without an ideological enemy, and right now all three big powers are pretty okay with each other. China's kind of puffing up, but we're still their #1 trading partner. Russia's going to be our friend for the next four years at least, no worries there.

>>716433416

"anyone of any intelligence," that removes you from the equation.
How come we toss aside AI so easily?

why the fuck do we have to have people like this guy and Putin ruling the world? fuck it

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>>716433657
Because they are AWESOME.

>>716433416
>We can't have "cold war 2.0" without an ideological enemy, and right now all three big powers are pretty okay with each other. China's kind of puffing up, but we're still their #1 trading partner. Russia's going to be our friend for the next four years at least, no worries there.

I disagree that a full scale nuclear war will ever be 100% off the table while functional nuclear weapons still exists. It only takes some degree of human stupidity to trigger it.
But I agree that tensions are way lower that 30 years ago (that might change at any point, tho), but having leaders speaking of INCREASING the nuclear capacity instead of working togheter to de-escalate the arsenals is not good.

>>716407838
yeah to bad America didn't just split in half republicans one side democrats the other lets see who strives and who crumbles first fucking libtard. Only welfare bums spoiled un employed rich kids and billionaires who dont want to pay taxes vote left. You would be fucked so fast.