Why has society become so accepting of mental disorders? There

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Don't go bringing us schizophrenics into this, man.

>>716120691
>There hasn't been any scientific breakthrough to make us think any differently about trans-genderism now than we did 20 years ago.

lol seriously? There's been tons of research.

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>>716120691
op here, had to remake the thread because I wasnt finished with the photoshop. all yours :^)

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Do you have the slightest idea what schizophrenia is mother fucker?

>>716120889
not op, but it made total sense to me. where's this conflict coming from?

>>716120878
Ayyy that edit thou.

Pls OP can you post something new, ive seen this same thread 3 times already. fag

>>716121013
He's associating schizophrenia with a completely different mental problem. Most trans people seem kinda rapey, while most schizos are pretty harmless.

Anybody remember back when NatGeo was about volcanoes and birds and giant squids and growing ears in Petri dishes and shit? I miss those days.

>>716121273
I member

>>716120691
...is that a boy?

>>716120691
Transgender is a personality disorder while homosexuality is just a fetish. Society should stop being care bears.

>>716121273
they already published stuff about those topics, they are running out of ideas.

>>716121234
true, but schizophrenia is definitely a more debilitating disorder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsefax53YP0

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Member when society wasn't nearly as ignorant as the people 29 and below these days?

I've always wondered why people care. It doesn't affect any of us.

>>716120691
because the media has used "sob story" tactics to make people feel like if they are against it they are horrible people... a bandwagoning falacy

because it's more important to be happy than to let something like your sexual identity limit your mental health.

I've never understood the fascination we have about who other people have sex with or what other people want to look like

>>716121510
bunch of little fascists we raised here

>>716121735
It's a combination of 'stop liking what I don't like' and 'I like to argue for no reason'.

>>716120691
Mental disorders are seen differently based on how common they are.

Being transgender is accepted more now, so people that would normally hide it are coming out as tranies.

They aren't harming anyone either, at least until they get all preachy. The downside is people like you get mad. the upside is they get to live as who their brain thinks they are, and suicide rates go down.

>>716120878
pedophilia is not the same as Transgenderism. being trans has no victims, no body is hurt by some dude wishing he had a vag. A pedophile acting on their sexual feelings is a crime, someone is hurt by them doing this.

Pedophilia will never be accepted the way transgenderism is.

>>716120691
>there have been no scientific breakthroughs

Or, to put it another way.
>There have been scientific breakthroughs, but I'm too lazy to put the work in. I still eat margarine, use aerosol hairspray, and fap to lesbian porn while calling gay dudes "degenerates."

I know this is /b/, but the world still moves forward outside your basement, fatty.

>>716122301
Wait, is there a reason I shouldn't eat Margarine?

>>716122204
it's rude to try to push a lie on other people and then be offended if they do not play along.

It's the same as trying to get someone to buy into a religion. To each their own.

>>716120878
>muh slippery slope! Pedophilia will be accepted in society at the rate we're going!

kys

>>716122204

Except for all history minus a few hundred years or less, most of what we consider pedophilia today *was* accepted while being trans wasn't even a thing.

Age of consent in some parts of the US in 1900? 7.

>>716122204
Depression, pretty much unheard of and never treated in India, is on the rise there. Mainly because professionals are recieving western training and applying western labels to people and their behaviours. So depression seems to be skyrocketing when it's just being reported more.

>>716121234
That sounds like something a schizo would say

>>716122432
accepting transgender is equally difficult as pedo. For different reasons, but both share a common mental disease.

One hurts children, while the other is trying to make people take your roleplaying as fact.

>>716120691
Why wouldnt we be accepting mentally ill ppl? I mean it's not like they choose to be trans or schizophrenic lol.
Where is even wyour problem? You cant humiliate ppl for medical conditions because they have equal rights? Is that what's bothering you?

>>716121273
>4 weeks ago
>i miss these times
Fucking child. You dont get to decide what's relevant and what is not.

>>716121510
No, when did this happen?

>>716122416
There is a lot wrong with transgender culture, but not everyone buys into it. Sure they are technically a man, but its nice to call them female just as a common courtesy. Unless they are being a cunt, then they started it.

>>716122537
Now we live in more enlightened times where an underdeveloped child is not seen as free game.

>>716122548
i'm not saying transgenderism is on the rise. I am saying people that would hide it before are now being open about it.

>>716120691
I think society accepts it more because it's apparently more common than we thought. I'm an oldfag. I have 2 kids (boys). They're boyish boys, sports and fights and girls and I'm glad for that. But I will support them if they end up gay or trans or whatever. When I was most of /b/'s age, I was straight as an arrow. Now that I'm older, I've tried a few things...everything is on a continuum, there's no black and white, straight or gay. If someone wants to wear a dress and suck a dick once in a while, that's fine. Better than killing someone in the name of some make-believe omnipotent faggot.

>>716123040
>Now we live in more enlightened times where an underdeveloped child is not seen as free game.

Yes but it's silly to say something that was acceptable for tens of thousands of years could never possibly be accepted again, while implying something that has been accepted for what, a couple decades, will continue to be accepted for millennia to come.

Holy fuck when did /b/ become tumblr? All of this pandering and protecting of the special snowflakes of the world.

>>716123204
+rep

>>716120878
You fucking nigger. You can't be the original OP, because I am the original OP. I must say I'm flattered that you liked my thread so much though.

>>716123342
It's called growing up.

>>716123352

real OP here, it's cool 2 people are posing as me now

>>716123482
Holy fucking shit I've created a monster. Can this be a daily thread?

>>716123482
>how do I anomalous

>>716123352
I just wanted people to see my photoshop i was working on, and i saw your thread had 186 posts before 404. Your post had been focused grouped to cause massive replies.

>>716120871
Post it then, inbred.

>>716120878
sounds cool

I personally think there's nothing wrong with being transgender if you're old enough to make your own decisions. Buuuuut all these non binary Apache helicopters can fuck off and stop trying to turn personalities into their made up genders. THERE ARE TWO GENDERS, if you want to switch that's fine by me but don't go telling me your special snowflake personalities are genders

>>716123342
There is a difference between pandering to the snowflakes and being nice to other human beings.

Transgenderism is a thing. it is a mental disorder. somthing is wrong with these people's brains.

Any fuck on tumblr can say they are transgender, but if you want to legally change your gender a doctor has to show that you have this disorder.

These people normally end up leading unhappy lives, or killing themselves over this.

Keeping a person from committing suicide by making a choice that hurts no one is not pandering to the snowflakes.

>>716121735
>sexual identity
Except it's not just sexual identity, it's identity as a whole. I don't really care about gays because in all aspects they're much like normal people. Transsexuals, on the other hand force us to modify our behavior from the moment we meet them, and then police us when they're not even around (pronouns, you only use em when the person you're referring to isn't there ex. he she them etc.)

Here goes some conservative with his misinformed opinion and slippery slope again. Everyone point and laugh.

>>716123666

What about actual non-binary people... those born as *both*

I for one am sick of this systematic exclusion of intersex people from the conversation on gender.

>>716123634
Actually it got up to 333 IIRC. You're welcome.

I fucking hate these ignorant retarded fucking idiots.
Because it has a smooth looking bum does not maje it a woman. The fact it has a penis makes it a guy. You are literally fucking autistic if you think otherwise
The fact that if you have a penis then your dna structure is xy. It is basic high school stuff.
If you cant grasp that then i wouldnt trust you with soup without waterwings

>>716123666
I accept the mark of the beast.

>>716123874
Yeah, like the 1 in 1000000 people are really gonna feel excluded in your shitty discussion rather than feeling excluded because they're a literal freak of nature.

>>716123874
All these made up genders under the non binary umbrella, spectrum or whatever the fuck you want to call it, aren't genders, they're personalities

>>716123040
>its nice to call them female just as a common courtesy
>"Could you just say Allah is the one true God for me? What's the problem? It's my sincere belief and I don't care if you don't recognize it, it's who I am! At least do it when I'm around, as a courtesy to me."

>>716123874
you cant be both, all you can be is other

Intersex is a sex, it is not a gender. They have to pick a gender unless they really want to fight it out and be seen as androgynous

>>716123938
Translation: "I don't like this so you cant think otherwise. I'm right, you're wrong."

>>716123793
Except that most people that transition also either commit suicide or say that they highly regret making the transition?
A very small minority live out happy lives.

>>716123938
You can be XY and have a vagina though. It is a rare genetic disorder.

Do you call that person a girl or a boy.
What if they don't know that their chromosomes are XY, everything on the outside seem like a girl.

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>>716123938
HNGGGHHHhhhh...Im talking to my support group about what you just said...im a real girl

>>716124052
Allah is a translation for the WORD God.

>>716123938
>basic high school stuff
>doesn't even know how sex is mediated chemically or how sex determination systems mutate over time

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>>716121510
I member, I member

Member when kids weren't pussies and stood up for themselves instead play da victim?
Member?

News flash. While I despise homosexuality, there is scientific evidence that transexual brains are wired like the opposite genders. This is based off of EEGs.

There is no proof that homosexuality is anything other than a choice, but there is evidence that a true transgender individual's brain is wired like the opposite sex from which they were born.

There is 2 types of sexes, male and female.
Boys have peepees, girls have hoohas.
There is 3 types of sexuality. Straight, gay and fuck it i will have a bit of everything.

There is no grey area. I am extremely tolerant to whoever aslong as they are happy.
But if you cannot understand this basic principle you honestly need to be taken out back and shot.

People arent fucking special cos they cant learn simple ideas and are easily offended.

>>716123404
I guess the influx of:
>Cuck
>WWYD to my wife
>traps
>furry
>roll for eating your cum!
>fb fap
>loli
threads must also be because of "growing up."

No, it's called this site becoming tumblr. Go eat your own sperm you horse cock loving cum eating cuck.

>>716124200
No i remember a time when internet faggots didnt exist, we actually went out to places and did things rather than sitting in the same calcified ass print most of you kikes have going on right below you.

>>716124192
Penis=Male
Vagina=Female
It's not that hard, buddy.

>>716124161
And your point? They don't have a name or word for him besides Allah and the Shahadah is literally, "There is no God but Allah (God) and Muhammad blah blah blah."

Just nitpicking to detract from my point.

>>716124052
You can do whatever you want. if you wanna call them a dude go ahead. you are being a bit of a dick though.

There's a difference between being nice to a person, and a religious statement. They are not comparable at all.

Still, if you wanna call them a dude go for it. I am fine with calling them female to be nice, but there should never be a law forcing you to call them what they want to be called. That law would be wrong.

>>716124320
So what you're saying is they are mentally ill
>mental illness confirmed

>>716124135

yup phenotypical sex can be different than genetic sex. then there's the other variations, XXY, XO, XXYY, XXXY, XXX

>>716120691
it seems to be about showing how tolerant and accepting you are, more than truly caring about these people you'll never meet. Like when an absolute freak monster is born and you get so many upvotes and likes for saying "she's beautiful!", a big collective circle jerk in making yourself feel good by being really disingenuously nice.
So when these mental problem people have access to the internet, they tend to google things they're interested in or want to know more about. They find other sick people who tell them they're not sick and encourage their illness. It makes them feel special, and that's really why it will continue to exist. I'm just a regular jerry, but derek over there thinks there's more to him, he's bi-nary gen-der-kwer or whatever. That's so specific and special, nobody else is like him, and you better treat him like he's unique, but you can't treat him differently.
cheeses my dick off, get over trying to seem unique or special and just fucking live, do things, you spend so much time worrying about what you and others label you as

>>716124135
I believe it's XXY.
But you're correct otherwise.

>>716124339
There are things called 'trends' that fluctuate constantly. You're just blaming that all on someone else.

>>716124200
Oh, I memeber!
Memeber when dodge balls hurt when you got hit?

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>>716124501
forgot my image

>>716124135
Its not that fucking rare now if 12/10 people believe this is them

>>716124368
Guess your ass print is just settling in isn't it newfag

>>716124418
It is actually. Learn some science, the details of nature are not as obvious or straightforward as you would like to think they are.

>>716124339
Neat diagnosis us got there. What's this apart of?:
>>716124419

>>716124043
THIS!!!!!!

>>716124525
Following this up- typically they have a functioning vagina but cannot have a child because they're infertile.
They also have some male sex organs pointlessly inside of them- they aren't visible on the outside and don't serve a purpose.

>>716124200
Kids aren't allowed to stand up for themselves now, they get punished even more.
when jake the bullied socks jeremy the bully in the fucking jaw for knocking his books down or taking his shit, jake is the aggressor who started it instead of "well jeremy you shouldn't have fucking been a little asshole"

>>716124471
Yes, they have a mental disorder. To call it an illness is not quite fair. The reason I say this is because sexuality is really just a societal issue nothing more. Also, I don't subscribe to the idea that there is more than 2 genders. If you have a penis, you're a male. If you have ovaries, you're a woman. All of this taco-monkey-nonbinary squared bullshit is ridiculous.

>>716124585
Then tell me, faggot. Explain how having a dick doesn't mean you're male.
>Protip: you're spewing bullshit

I agree that society is getting dumb about gender. That said, look up

Penis as 12 syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_deficiency)

Yeah, People with clits until age 12 GROW A FUCKING DICK.

Now look up Turner Syndrome. Now Klinefelter. Now XXY. Now XYY.

Human biology is fucking RIDICULOUS, so it's a bit stupid when illiterate retards start saying "naw it's a boy or a girl. There are actually people born with ambiguous genitalia. Making them pick one kinda sucks.

>>716120691
At least a schizophrenic can imagine their own safe space

>>716124525

no, he's entirely correct. xxy is something else.

xx male syndrome is a real thing. 4-5 per 1000 births.

others also have frequencies like that
>>716124021
idiots like this don't actually realize it, but intersex disorders aren't *that much* rarer than transsex.

so they shouldn't be excluded because they're only 1 in 2-500 instead of 1 in 100.

>>716124689
The pussification of this nation is full force right about now

>>716124525
No, there are XY females and in some cases they reproduce successfully.

>>716124099
Citation: every fucking biology book.

Because you dont agree doesnt mean im not right.

2+2=4 but if you argued it was 5 you would be just as misguided

>>716124807
Thanks to idiotic democratic acceptance ideals.

>>716124439
>you are being a bit of a dick though.
Would you say the same to an insane person claiming they're Napoleon? We could easily accommodate crazies by just rolling with the punches and telling them the voices they hear are real and they really are Jesus reincarnated as the Prince of Wales, but I'd rather not and actually work to find the underlying cause and work to solve it. Of course I can't personally do anything but by keeping the conversation going and not just rolling over we continue to look into it and hopefully find a better solution for these troubled people then letting them cut off their body parts.

You will never see a doctor cure body integrity identity disorder by allowing a patient to cut off his own arm or leg, why would we allow this and more for people with gender dysphoria?

>>716124706
We're saying it for simplicity's sake. Nobody is even thinking about legit hermaphrodites when they talk about made up genders.

>>716120871
Research =/= Breakthrough

>>716124899

and that's a major problem, because it's a direct contradiction of the notion that gender is simple and everyone can be shoehorned into 1 or 2 variations.

>>716124788
>>716124807
My mistake- reading up on it again now, it's been a bit.

>>716124788
What defines "intersex disorders" to you? For all I know, you could just be talking about how some insane tumblrina feels.

>>716124899
There is no such thing as a true human hermaphrodite. When they are born, they die almost instantly. That's if they make it out of the womb.

Are people STILL getting triggered by this?

Who the hell cares?! None of this affects you!

Does it never occur to people with such a disorder to seek help. Is there even a way to treat such a disorder? Letting someone live with a mental disability doesn't seem like a healthy way of solving the problem. Its like, yeah, we have no real solution right now, so lets let them enjoy their life until they realise how fucked they are, until they eventually end themselves on their own

i have a sub to nat geo. one of the most legit science-based journalism, art, and culture.

after getting my issue a couple of days ago, i chuckled, knowing that many photograph-loving cons will cancel their subs after writing in some factless vitriol to the editor.

>>716124899
But these people exist. And they often make up a big portion of the trans community. Sadly people like bruce/caitlyn are a huge step back in educating the public regarding this shit, but the point is that it's really NOT as simple as it should be.

People are born with vaginas that don't respond to estrogen, making them look manly and feel manly. "Men" are born with androgen insensitivity making them look like sexy-ass chicks without wombs. Some people are born with ambiguous genitalia and get dicks when they hit puberty. Some women have undescended testes pumping out testosterone.

Shit's wacky.

>>716124698
See
>>716124706

We are just starting to really figure out how all this works biologically. If you're gonna come in and just lay down some arbitrary rules then we might as well have 100 made-up genders.

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>>716120691
> mental disorders

fuck off armchair psychiatrist. "X behavior makes me feel icky" is not a diagnostic solution.

>>716124338
Agree

>>716125037

intersex is an actual medical term with an actual scientific meaning.

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>>716120691

Far as I'm concerned some guy walking around in a dress bothers me a lot less than OP who thinks it's important enough to post about it.

Consider.

1. Normal people don't care about weirdo's
2. OP cares about weirdo's.
3. Something is badly wrong with OP.
4. Definitely creeper than some dude in a dress.

>>716125005
Maybe, but it's really not relevant in the case of OP's pic related. The so called "gender revolution" is about mentally ill people who have really sensitive feelings. In fact, the actual physiology of it is essentially worthless. There's no science to back it up.

>>716124338
Penis as 12 syndrome.

Clit until age 12, puberty hits, grows a little dick, looks like a feminine male.

>>716125252

i brought it up because it means gender is not set in stone. some people get to pick because they're intersex and their phenotype can be directed either way. So if some can choose based on that, gender isn't absolute, so why can't people also pick based on what their hormones and expressed personality dictate?

>>716120691

>I think about other peoples' lives
>I swear I don't care about it

Pick one, faggot.

Your kind is the only people retarded enough to care about what other people do.

Eat a bag of shit, you self-righteous faggots.

>>716122432
Just like it was 200 years ago!!

>>716122705
>equally difficult
Never breed, for the sake of the development of the whole world, NEVER breed.

>>716125189
>Gender
>Dysphoria
Look it up in between classes, why don't you. Why the fuck do you think they feel that way? It's not normal. There is no science to say it's normal. Not saying there's anything wrong with it. Until a few years ago, it was fucking common sense that it's a mental disorder. Are you actually this retarded?

>>716125464
This is the talk of a self-righteous person who cannot ask questions.

>>716125436
This is exactly it. At the some time as science is starting to be able grapple with the true nature of sex we are in the process of reexamining our traditional sex-based societal roles. It is only right that these two conversations should inform each other, but ignorant people on all sides want to ignore science and push their agenda.

easier and cheaper to give trans people the meds they need to feel normal enough to contribute fully to society than it is for schizos

simple as that, it's economics

>>716125229
I've only heard it used by tumblrites who don't feel like sticking specifically to one of the hundred made up genders, sorry.

As for all the people in support of transgender, how do you objectively know the dysphoric feelings a "trans" has is an altruistic identity, and not simply dysphoria. And why is this one type of dysphoria treated completely different than all other types of disorders and types of dysphoria? Aka reality is shaped to match the dysphoria?

Well there hasn't been any major scientific breakthroughs on racism but that doesn't mean that we should treat black people poorly. While I agree that this modern gender bullshit is, well.. Bullshit, I do keep in mind that there are people with gender disphoria and that they can't help but feel like they're trapped in the wrong body because in a sense they are. Studies have shown that their mind is wired to be the opposite gender (Or at least a good portion of it is). People with it can feel nausia and sickness on a daily basis, and transgender therapy has been show to help cope with it. I believe these 'non-binary' dumbfucks are just attention seeking whores, which is why it pains me to see transgenders, people who actually have a problem that they can't control be grouped up with them on both sides. Non-Binary cucks saying that they have the same problems as them but also places like 4chan not understanding the difference between diagnosed gender dysphoria and being an attention seeking shit head. It always pisses me off when someone says they're 'self diagnosed' with something, because as someone who has been diagnosed with many disorders (Mostly spectrum related) it's just like holding up a trophy and then someone walking in the room holding a bag of dog shit and saying 'HEY GUYS I WON THE SAME TROPHY LOOK AT ME!'. And you have to remember that there's a major difference between a functioning and a non-functioning disorder. Schizophrenics can pose dangers to both themselves and others. Trans people are capable of living social normal lives without danger of murdering someone then shitting inside them before jumping off a cliff with a beaver up their ass.

If you've ever worked in a mental health hospital and transgenderism is involved in some way, whether its the patient or the patient's family you will very clearly see it listed under the mental health history/psychiatric disorders.

>>716125642
I know what dysphoria is. Not everyone transitions because of it, dipshit.

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>>716125436

>>716125642
This. Should be treated like a disorder because it is. Nothing against them though just like I have nothing against any other person with a disorder.

>>716125797
I don't think your words mean what you think they mean. Is this machine translated?

>>716125801
Very well said.

>>716125801
> feel like they're trapped in the wrong body because in a sense they are
Actually they don't feel like that.

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>>716121234
>schizos are pretty harmless.

>>716125801
False, their suicide rates are astronomically high, lending credence to the idea that they are mentally unwell.

>>716125817
"The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.""

>>716125841
What would they transition for then if not the unhappiness with their "assigned gender"

Not the anon you replied to

>>716120691
Think about it this way:

if you have body dysphoria, and you want to cut off your leg, would a doctor let you? Or would they recommend you to a psychologist where they counsel you and try to change your core beliefs of why you think you shouldn't have a leg?

Now think of a man who wants to become a girl. The situation is no different, but instead they just hand out hormones because you can't challenge them or even discuss the mental issues behind it because you will be labeled a 'bigot' or 'transphobe'

We live in a truly fucked up world at the moment.

>>716125984
Get out a dictionary

>>716125005
no because when someone is a hermaphrodite it's specific biological fuck up to the binary system. totally irrelevant, they're mutants.

>>716126051
Gender nonconformity is not the same thing as being transgender. PS: I'm a general surgery resident and have personally seen it written under psychiatric disorders many times while on my psych rotation.

>>716125436
Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Feeling uncomfortable with the parts you were born with is not normal. Just look around. It's no coincidence that so many trans people also have bi-polar or worse. Mentally ill people tend to experience a plethora of mental illnesses. Let me clue you in: intersex people have PHYSICAL traits of both sexes, so it's no wonder they may be able to chose. Most people however (and I do mean MOST people) are are normal. They are one sex, and although they can appear to be the other with hormones, they still remain that sex. You can't change your fucking chromosomes. Take your pseudo-science elsewhere.

>>716126070
Do you want to take away my right to piercings or tattoos or anabolic steroids or LSD or a fucking chip in my brain that makes me smarter and wifi enabled? You people will have to kill me to keep me from altering my property as I see fit.

If gender is a social construct, then why trannies have inborn wrong gender?

>>716126051

well to be fair, that's a requirement for *every* disorder. you could tick off every requirement for autism spectrum disorder too, but if it doesn't cause clinically significant distress it doesn't count.

>>716126169
Please explain how the feelings a 'trans' has are an 'altruistic identity'.

>>716125720
If science was objective and not ruled by liberal ideology your post would have meaning and value

>>716126181
>I'm totally right except for those cases where you can prove I'm not.

>>716125841
Yes they do. Gender dysphoria is the MEDICAL DIAGNOSES of being unhappy with one's sex, and it is just as much of a mental disorder as bi-polar disorder or schizophrenia, although of course it's not the same. If you're referring to the extremely rare instances of actual intersex or hermaphrodite people, then fine, but that's not what most of us are taking about.

>>716126303
Gender is not a social construct. That's illogical nonsensical bullshit that democratic retards want you to believe. You don't get a trophy if you lose.

>>716126028
Suicide is just as much an outcome of weak mental stability as it is abuse and depression.

>>716121234
Thanks for that clinical analysis

>>716126245

if you can choose based on your chromosomes being different, why can't you choose based on your brain being different? (trans people are distinctly wired differently, usually more like the opposite sex)

>>716126288
Sure cut your dick into a vagina and whatever else but don't expect society to treat you "normally" and cry when it doesn't

>>716126375
How do you objectively know that the dysphoric feelings that a trans has is an altruistic identity.

Typing on a tablet is hard, stop being autistic.

>>716126288
Nobody's saying that, dipshit. Adults can do what they want. What we have a problem with is the sensationalized propaganda. Too tired to write about why. Fuck off.

>>716126499
Sounds like pseudoscience

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let's make this real simple:
sex is a dynamic property of your body. It needs hormones to be maintained. You can customize parts of it within reason, anywhere on a sliding scale from masculine to feminine. This is a feature of the body. Not a bug.

Describing someone's sex is not always easy. Nor is it relevant in most social situations. Most of the time we only give a shit about what we can see and how people behave.

This is where gender comes into play, and where the simplicity ends. Ever notice that some people are really hard to identify the sex of? Or that hair, makeup and lighting can make someone look like a member of the opposite sex? Ever notice how we associate these things with certain sexes despite the association being weak? Well, we call these loose associations gender. It's faster and easier to identify people this way. Hence 'woman' is 'seems like female ideal' and 'man' is 'seems like male ideal'. You don't have to verify gender, it's immediately apparent. Sex is not so easy to immediately identify.

>>716120691
This is awful

>>716126541
I do expect society to treat me like normal. This is the new normal and in 20 years when there are cyborgs everywhere you will be a pissy old man and I will be having a great time.

>>716124320
so... what you are saying is that male and female brains are different?

so... men and women are not equal?

oh, the misogyny.

>>716126670
Sex is hardcoded into our chromosomes, into each fucking cell - XX for fems, and XY for males.

>>716122705
>accepting transgender is equally difficult as pedo.

Truly full retard.

>>716126068
>>716126447
Dysphoria is more than just 'not being happy'. Dysphoria is a profound feeling of unease bordering on the intolerable.

Wanting to customize something doesn't necessarily mean you're unhappy with it, just that you think you might be happier with a change.

>>716126629
People in this exact thread have called body modification a mental illness and saying that society should not 'accept' it. Please read before posting.

>>716126627
Lol look up altruistic, what the fuck are you even trying to say?

>>716126817
It's common knowledge that men and women process information differently.....

>>716126817
Not sure if troll or serious.

>>716126857
No, only the initial bias for final sex is encoded into chromosomes. These initial bias weights can be overriden completely, proof that sex is a maintained cycle. Sex is more than just your genetics. Primary and secondary sex traits do exist, you know.

>>716126670
This
Is
Pseudo-science.

Who the fuck decided this? Gender has nothing to do with makeup or hair. I can't believe you people have actually convinced yourself of shit this stupid.

>>716126643
It's not peudoscience, it's a biomedical engineering response to the chemical mechanisms of sex.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqIIeGmhL2Q

>>716126810
No it's not, faggot. It is by definition not normal. Furthermore, gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. That's the problem OP has. We can't stand to see a mental disorder treated as a normal part of human biology through made up pseudo-science.
You can do whatever you want to yourself, but you can't control how people react, and you can't change the cold facts.

>>716127090
holy fuck, i always wondered where the mincing faggot archetype came from.

So 2 thirds of children that identify as transgender grow out of it and don't identify as transgender as adults . So what now? And before you trash psychology remember that your very own argument is based on its principles. I miss the days when you could just call someone a fucking weirdo. I saw a guy at a truck stop a few weeks ago with a beard and a dress. I'm supposed to refer to him as she? Don't be stupid. If your passable then nobody will question you in the first place , I've never been genital checked for entering a restroom but just maybe if you have a beard and a dress then you might be a weirdo .

>>716126994
It is hardcoded in a whole. Biologically sex is the persistent genetic difference between males and females, resulting from this DNA difference. You can wear a male in dress and molest him as you want, but you can't make a female from.

>>716126817
Well look at it like this:
(2/4)+3 = 3 + 1 (1/2)
While the equations might be different they're still equal. Just because 2 things are different doesn't mean they're not equal :3

>>716126994
Source or GTFO. This is what I'm talking about. You can't link to a reputable source for this garbage, because it's made up to fit a narrative. Lie to yourself all you want, but the sky isn't hot pink just because you say it is.

>>716126810
you can't just proclaim you are the new normal stupid. no anon. if you're honest with yourself you'll see things for how they are and you'll be embittered too

>>716127031
No amount of estrogen will make you a female. Fuck off with your nonsense.

>>716126643

which part, the neuroanatomical differences in people indentifying as trans, or that intersex is a valid reason to allow a choice but those shouldn't be?

>>716127175
If everyone gets their ears pierced and you don't then you are not normal and they are, even if you are 'natural'. Neither you nor I decide what is normal, everyone does, so if everyone wants to be cool with radical body modification then let's accept it as normal.

>>716127031
evidence of your claim of them being 'wired' like the opposite sex?

>>716127228
>what is gene therapy

>>716127388
Yeah. Funny thing about that though is that most people are mentally stable, and this DON'T have gender dysphoria. No amount of social engineering and pseudo-science will change that.

>>716127270
http://www.nature.com/news/sex-redefined-1.16943

Also literally go look at someone who has taken hormones sometime or look at any of the sexual development disorders like androgen insensitivity syndrome.

>>716127239
>equations
>posts only one equation
>does not know mathematics regularly varies the definition of equality to suit a purpose

Get educated.

>>716127508
>Reaching this hard
Gene therapy could make me into a fucking dog, what's your point?

>>716126886
fuck, you are jumping through hoops to get to this conclusion and im not gonna argue with you

>>716127288
We'll just have to wait and see what the group thinks of all this.

>>716127368
No one claimed neuroanatomical differences. In addition, the brains of true transgenders do work like those of the opposite sex from which they were born. There is many research papers showing EEG evidence of this. A simple google scholar search would prove this to you.

PS: I hate homosexuality(because of fucking pride parades) and think it's a choice. There is no evidence to support being a homosexual is nothing other than a choice.

>>716127617
What you linked to isn't a study, and it isn't research. It's anecdotal. The entire """gender revolution""" is based around lies. Try thinking for yourself for once in your life.

>>716127361
Well yeah you need gene therapy to change your chromosomes too...

>>716127270
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211008256

The transcription factor Dmrt1 regulates male sexual development from flies and worms to humans. A newly discovered function is to suppress female differentiation in the testes. Thus, the gonadal fate decision is not final but has to be actively maintained throughout life.

>>716127617
>>716127270
Get wrecked. lmao Nature is as reputable as you can possibly get in the research world.

>>716127455
My claim is that sex is a complex ongoing biochemical process that we can and should fuck with for fun and profit.

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>>716127922

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This is why Evangelicals and conservative are supporting the "Alt-Right"

>>716121735
It's fine but it's being pushed so fucking hard its ridiculous.

>>716127871
They just deny all science they don't like as leftist propaganda anyway.

>>716127724
The only reason it's anywhere close to being normalized is the media campaign for it ( think jenner). Unless there is constant media shilling in efforts to make you guys seem normal it wont happen. More people will realize it's a disorder that shouldn't be indulged or encouraged.

>>716120691
It's disgusting and it's also why I am in full support of the alt-right.

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>>716120691
i would fuck the living shit out of he/she/it :3

>>716127922
no fuck off

>>716128152
>>716128202

kys, body policing scum

>>716128015
no it isnt faggot. get your media buzzwords out of mah b

>>716128243
no one is getting their dick turned into a vagina "for fun" you tard

>>716127806
You're straying off topic. Humans aren't fucking magic, it's not surprising the sexuality is maintained like this. However that has no bearing on your chromosomes. And it has no bearing on the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, one that frequently comes along with things like bi-polar. Bottom line, most people are perfectly fine with their biological sex, and the ones who aren't are frankly messed up. The post op suicide rates are disturbingly high. Some of them continue to have dysphoria no matter what. Glorifying a mental disorder isn't going to help anyone.

>>716127767
>No one claimed neuroanatomical differences.

i did. and there are.

>. In addition, the brains of true transgenders do work like those of the opposite sex from which they were born. There is many research papers showing EEG evidence of this. A simple google scholar search would prove this to you.

No shit, that's why i was asked if that was what was being called pseodoscience

>PS: I hate homosexuality(because of fucking pride parades) and think it's a choice. There is no evidence to support being a homosexual is nothing other than a choice.

Check your science again. Twin studies man.

>>716128125
I think most people are going to be on the side that will lead to radical life extension and other enchamcements, rather than the super consrvative one that thinks tattoos are haram.

>>716128345
Have you seen /b/ ever?

>>716128117
That's because it IS. White people are biologically more intelligent than black people, but you won't be hearing much about it since it's politically incorrect and doesn't fit a narrative.

>>716127368
the neuroanatomical differences in people indentifying as trans that you claim

>caring about these fucks

At the rate they commit suicide we won't be dealing with them for much longer

>>716128464
are you so stupid to base your judgement on what society will do based on what yyou've seen on 4chan?

>>716128540
>B-But it's not a mental disorder!

>>716128487
Then why don't you do opposing science to show people the error of their ways? I'm sure I'm about to hear that those god damn liberals are keeping money away from you too.

>>716128394
the elite probably already have them. we will never se that tech unless it serves them for us to have it more than it serves us.

>>716128620
Are you stupid enough not to? This is the least filtered high speed anonymous idea exchange online.

>>716128655
I'm just stating the facts. Political correctness distorts the "truth" about race, and it's obviously going to do so with gender. Just look at this thread. I bet half these people have never even heard the term gender dysphoria before.

>>716128713
Lol sure, the US government can't stop getting hacked and doesn't understand what genetic engineering is but the elites have the fountain of youth.

>>716128758
>believing shills don't run wild here to influence opinion

>believing it's unfiltered

man you're naive as fuck. there's an obvious media campaign shilling for the normalization of this shit and there's constantly shilling on all of the internet where exhange of idea take place

>>716128381
> You're straying off topic.

No, I'm not. I'm directly refuting the claim that chromosomes ARE sex.

> Humans aren't fucking magic, it's not surprising the sexuality is maintained like this.

You say that but there are people that literally believe sexuality is a boolean value, on/off like a light switch

> However that has no bearing on your chromosomes

Which aren't the entirety of your sex. They are only a small factor. Your hormones, genitals, gonads, and secondary sex traits are all parts of your sex. Making a big deal of chromosomes, saying that they ARE sex is so blindly Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Nobody goes around saying "hey show me your chromosomes so I know if I want to have sex with you"

> And it has no bearing on the fact that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, one that frequently comes along with things like bi-polar.

And gender dysphoria is not the entirety of transexuality. Again you are focusing on a specific thing to get triggered about. If transition is a mental illness then so is putting a body kit on your car, painting your house or getting a tattoo.

> Bottom line, most people are perfectly fine with their biological sex, and the ones who aren't are frankly messed up

Interesting that you'll hyper focus on tiny details like chromosomes or dysphoria to make your arguments seem stronger but be dishonestly general when it suits your feelings.

> Glorifying a mental disorder isn't going to help anyone.

No shit. Neither is conflating disorder with other uses of the best known treatment for it.

>>716128840
How do I know what the facts are without science to back it up?

>>716128919
og you're one of those faggots that think russia did it. why don't you pay more attention to things. it'll serve you in the long run

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Trans, gender fluid and non-binary people need exposure and understanding. Reading through this thread is proof of that.

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>>716122204
> live as who their brain thinks they are
I can think all I want that I'm a trisexual koala but unfortunately that won't make my human body magically transform into one. In the end these people are just attention seeking brats who desperately want to be noticed by society.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS

>>716129065
>acting like you can't look things up

>>716129010
People shill for products and politicians. You are paranoid if you think these natural debates about the basic aspects of the human experience are completely engineered.

>>716120691
Simply put, yes there have been very few changes in the way we understand gender identity disorder, although there are now strong signs that suggest a neurological instead of a mental disorder.
And it can be argued that even after successful treatment (hormones, etc) trans people still have a disorder.

However, what changed is how we treat them, and how effective these treatments are.
The nowadays common route of making sure a gender change is the right option (aka test the hell out of someone if they really have GID, and not something else mimicking the symptoms) and then helping said individual live life is the gender, that aligns with their perceived gender identity and offering therapy to deal with having been dealt a shit card in life helps in most cases to nearly or even completely alleviate symptoms.
And once no symptoms are present anymore, it is common practise to say that no mental illness is present any more.

Thus:
Pre treatment: Person has GID, a mental illness
Start of treatment: Person still shows symptoms of GID, therefore still can be considered mentally ill and in treatedment
Maintenance Treatment (hormones): Symptoms are alleviated, maintenace treatment is of endocrinological nature
--> Person is not considered mentally ill at this point


And concerning your comparison to shizophrenia....
Trans people at not point are delusional, they know they are not 100% their target gender, instead they try to live lifes as closely resembling it as possible, to alleviate symptoms, such as depression, suicidal thoughts, low self esteem, insomnia, anxiety.

People with shizophrenia are simply nuts. With a loss of strong connection to reality.

There is no comparing the two.

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>>716125570
When 30 year old men got paired with 13 year old girls in arranged marriages.

>>716122537
>Except for all history minus a few hundred years or less
Dude, we used to treat cancer with blood letting in the past
Science just happened to suddenly progress a shit tonne lately

>>716129165
No be we've got some real nifty tricks coming up that will turn you into a trisecual koala. Stay tuned and keep supporting free and open science.

>>716129209
>acting like I'd find anything substantial

>>716129218
nah dude it's called social engineering. changing culture by manipulating human nature. not saying all the debates are egineered wholly, that would be dumb, but for it to be such a hot topic or to be a thing at all in the media. that is what is engineered. the rest is done by useful idiots. Everything in the media is in the media for a reason

>>716123482
sheesh, go to grab a glass of milk and now everyone is clainig to be me! The nerve... I'm OP

>>716129278
am i learning on 4chan? what's happening to me.

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Man if bioconservatives get this triggered over transexuals, I cannot wait to see their heads explode when transgenic humans start coming into vogue.

The best part is that the cat is out of the bag. Any scientist with a fistfull of cash and a home lab can get into genetic engineering now.

>>716129646
Get learnt nigger. /b/ does porn, trolling, forced memes, and science at the same time

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>>716124547
BASED

>>716129031
>Interesting that you'll hyper focus on tiny details like chromosomes or dysphoria to make your arguments seem stronger but be dishonestly general when it suits your feelings.

Dude, gender dysphoria is the medical term for what transgender people feel. It's not a tiny detail. If human sexuality is more complex than we could possibly imagine, great. I'd just suggest having an open mind on both sides though. Transgender is an important part of "diversity" or whatever the fuck. People aren't gonna want you to hear about any science that might paint transgender people in any kind of negative light. In fact, it's been shown on numerous occasions that they try to bend facts to their narrative. I just find it a little hard to trust is all. Can you really blame me? Just look at OP's picture. It's the most sensationalized shit.

>>716129278
You disassociating schizophrenia with transgender identity issues doesn't ACTUALLY make them implicitly mutually exclusive.

It just makes them separate conditions with overlapping symptoms.

Kill yourself for using pseudo-science and spin, you liberal shill.

>>716129648
I'm calling it now. Within 10 years someone here will start tricking people into changing their sex with instructions on how to 'use ge to get super ripped with neon bioluminescent highlights'

>>716129646
Even worse still, i only read further into the topic because of all these discussions on /b/ and wanted to know what really motivates these people to go through that sort of stuff....

/b/ made me learn
Now its time to give back ;P

>>716122204
>get to live as who their brain thinks they are, and suicide rates go down.
Well my brain says I'm a millionaire, so give me $30,000,000 and everything will be fine. It's just money after all, the government has trillions, and giving it to me some won't harm anyone.

>>716130035
But you being a billionaire isn't sexy and fun for the rest of us.

>>716129945
hue

Then tell me where the overlap in symptoms lies exactly.
As far as i know, there is practically none...

>>716130113
>both batshit crazy

Are you even trying?

>>716130104
I AM NOT A BILLIONAIRE YOU BIGOT, I am a millionaire, how dare you assume my financial status.

>>716130104
this guys got a point you know
stop complaining
our traps have been upgraded with hormones
whats the fuss about?

>>716130113
>Not the guy you replied to
The point OP was trying to make was the social acceptance of it. Gender dysphoria is a disorder that's now being treated as completely normal. He was saying that schizo may one day just be seen as a "different" way of experiencing reality, rather than being completely insane.

>>716130035
Well, just like a mtf won't be a 'true' female without crazy sci-fi tech but they can extract great value from getting as close as they can, you can be helped on your mission to become a billionaire by smaller cash infusions that are more affordable as well as access to education and business-building assistance. It will reduce your suffering and balance getting you to your goal with the practical impossibility of achieving it to the letter.

>>716130191
You can say the same about depression then.

Cannot see good things in life.
Near neurotic focus on negative.
No clear decision making, doubtful sanity
---> depressed people are totally bonkers
Lets lock them up in mental wards

>>716130311
that anon will jump through mental hoops to purposefully misunderstand this

>>716120691
perhaps a treatment for such schizos is being able to connect their reality with ours. i see no prob.

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>>716130113

>>716130383
>crazy sci-fi tech

We can do way more already than is normally does because people are being skittish about genetic engineering and augmentation going nuts. You are living in an insane sci-fi type scenario.

>>716122412
The only thing i'm interested in this thread

>>716130570
> You are living in an insane sci-fi type scenario.

How so? All I said was that trannies won't ever be the 'real' sex they want to be, but that doesn't mean it isn't good for them to try. I think you're reading too much into what I meant when I said sci-fi.

>>716124547
Wtf, I'm supposed to be idolizing people older than me, not little grills...

>>716130645
Everything is bad for you.
News at 11.

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>>716120691
>It seems like it's only a matter of time before schizophrenics are just "trans-reality"
what if? would that hurt your feelings OP? if you have no people left to look down up on? would it hurt you much?

>>716130311
Oh, thanks, i guess i kinda missed the point then!

I still see a difference in how harmful these conditions can be to both the individual or society as a whole.
Simply because some forms of shizophrenia can cause violence, especially the paranoid subtypes.
Trans people, despite all the scaremongering campaigns lately, have so far not caused significant harm to others. Much rather the other way around, since most issues trans people face are linked with social acceptance leading to unemployment and so on.
What both conditions undisputable have in common, is that they can be very cripling if left untreated, depending on the person of course.

As for shizophrenia (dont confuse with psychosis here) becomming a new normal, in some parts of society that has been the case for quite some time.
And maybe that will spread, maybe not.
Probably just like being trans is more or less accepted now (although still not normal).

>>716130428
Did i now?
>>716130814

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>>716124733
most underrated post

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>>716120691
>ITT: anons who are tired of having to deal with society collectively going through a weird ass phase wherein it thinks saying something makes it true
>i say gender is a social construct, so it's true
>i say sex and gender are different, so it's true
>i say there's nothing mentally or emotionally wrong with people who want to physically mutilate themselves beyond repair for the sake of playing pretend, so that makes it true
>i say society stacks the cards of what's considered conventionally beautiful against trans people, so they really are beautiful, and because i say it, that makes it true
>i say there's nothing to suspect surrounding the insane transgender suicide rate, so that makes it true
>i say
>so it's true

>also ITT: degenerate leftist faggots who are promoting this horse shit, calling all the trannies that come flying out of that spacious closet stunning and beautiful
>you really just don't want to tell them the honest truth
>they're fuck ugly and look like frankenstein's monster
>yet they still insist on smacking this trash up in our faces despite our pained shrieks of how badly we don't want it

No, no, it's not right to feel weirded out by a guy that chopped his dick off because his brain told him to.

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When did self-diagnosis become valid?

>>716126464
And thier mental state is pretty shot so i see how that happens.
They are that broken that its really the best option for them

>>716130997
Contine your insane crusade against your idiot leftist counterparts. Most of the 'other side' of tis thread has been about science and technology, not how pretty someone is

>>716130997
>i say sex and gender are different, so it's true
Its a matter of linguistic definition.
You can just as well say that sex and gender identity are different, which is probably more accurate.
As for it becoming true, in linguistics everything that a mojority of people believe is true (exception: past records).
Language is just a communication protocol that people agree on.
Guess why suddenly all dictionaries have "lol" in them....

That being said, i dont buy into this "its true because i said so" either.
What matters at the end of the day are provable facts.

>>716126670

Hook us up with some links.

I honestly can't get over that it's wrong to encourage mutilation of one's body, and that it's simply a body-dysmorphic issue.

I don't like being considered a "biggot", and would loved to be convinced that these aren't mentally ill people, who are being pandered to.

>>716131043
I'd say its all of them.
-already present mental issues
-disaproval by peers
-financial issues
and so on

Trans people got plenty reasons to kill themselfes.
With the exceptions of the few lucky ones that end up passing and can live normal lifes.

>>716131181
>i say transgenderism and gender reassignment procedures are totally scientifically valid and a good idea because XY people can have vaginas and other combinations of chromosomes exist, so it's true
>sure, these are birth defects and aren't supposed to happen if everything goes as it should, but it proves me right

I'm calling a spade a spade, and a faggot a faggot.

And you're a faggot.

>>716122204
Even after getting surgery a lot of these people are still depressed and suicidal.

>>716131420
Not them but see this

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v476/n7358/full/nature10239.html

>>716120691
If you want to claim to be a man, why can't she claim to be a woman?

>>716131763
This.
Having gender dysphoria means they likely have other mental issues. The facts aren't surprising once you cut past the pseudo-science.

>>716131420
>other anon here

>I honestly can't get over that it's wrong to encourage mutilation of one's body, and that it's simply a body-dysmorphic issue.
Its a matter of choosing the lesser evil.
On the one side there are the symptoms that GID causes, such as depression, suicidal thoughts, anxiety, insomnia, low self esteem, etc.
On the other are all the drawbacks of getting the (sadly) so far only really effective treatment against them, a gender change.
It doesnt really matter if you classify it as a sort of specialized body dysmorphic issue or something else.
This is about what is the best practical solution.
For some its better to stay in their biological gender, because of all the drawbacks it brings, or to postpone a gender change.
For others the benefits of treatment outweigh the drawbacks.
Simple as that.
Its not about philosophical questions or such, its about what helps the individual the most.


I don't like being considered a "biggot", and would loved to be convinced that these aren't mentally ill people, who are being pandered to.
They are mentally ill, at least until GID symptoms recide. From then on its a question of definition.

>>716121234
?

schizophrenics have a shitty grasp of reality, i'm pretty sure OP's joke was spot on

>>716131715
People should be free to modifty themselves however they want. It's just a technology, the use of it is up to personal choice, it's only a matter of science if you claim it as a cure for some condition.

Intersex people have nothing to do with it. You really have no idea hpw evolution works if you are dismissing sexually reproductive members of our species as inconsequential 'defects'.

>>716131763
>>716131893
No doubt, thats also why the pre-treatment screening is so thorough.
And the aftermath, being sunned by society if you dont pass well, isnt helping either.

Depression and GID go hand in hand.
Usually it gets better with treatment though.

But a gender change is no cure all miracle, if there are other issues as well, then they need to be treated seperately before of after.

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>>716131763
>>716131893
I've been saying this for a long time.
Gender reassignment just seems like a bandaid solution to me, it doesn't treat the underlying problems.

You get a kid coming to you saying they're sad because they feel like a boy and they're born a girl.
So you chalk her down for some hormones and get a fake cock stitched onto her, and bammo, she should be happy now, right?
except they're not.

Now whatever underlying problem she already had is still there AND she's undergone a bunch of irreversible procedures to fuck with her hormones and stuff.

Can't tell them that stuff, though, because then you're being transphobic.

>>716132151
You have no idea what that process is really like. Trannies rail against doctors for making them work through their issues in order to get legit access to the cool body mod shit.

>>716132384
God forbid a doctor might want to stop someone from fucking their body up.

>>716132151
It depends what the underlying issues are. If there is an actual neurological difference/misalignment, then maybe HRT is the right choice. No one knows.
I agree however, that it still is a shitty treatment, and better alternatives should be researched.

Like i said, screening before treatment is very thorough, so it is more often than not actual GID that is being treated.
The issue with that is that we dont really understand what causes GID. If we did, then maybe there would be better treatments.

So far however, our HRT bandaid is sadly the best thing available for some people.

>>716132644
Yeah it's almost like they are medical professionals and not an arm of the Jewish conspiracy to pussify the white men as fast as possible...

>>716132644
ohh they try
trust me

but at some point they are like
well, nothing worked, lets try that hormone stuff
takes years though, and there are fixed guidelines

>>716132151
It's more of a tylenol to a headache solution than a band-aid solution

> Now whatever underlying problem she already had is still there

Right, but if you can alleviate the symptoms (extreme discomfort in one's own body), then you are still doing valid palliative medicine. We don't stop using painkillers because there's no way to solve the underlying causes of chronic pain.

> Can't tell them that stuff, though, because then you're being transphobic.

No, being transphobic would be denying them known effective treatment, intentionally exacerbating their symptoms through malicious mis-gendering, or forcing them to publicly announce their birth sex.

Also, protip: if you can cure dysphoria you can make anyone comfortable in any body. Anyone suffering from dysphoria would have the option of transitioning and then having the underlying problem treated.

>>716132780
I started taking the term "medical professional" with a grain of salt around the time I found out Ben Carson is a neurosurgeon.

1)there are only 2 sexes in the human race. male. female. what youre born as is what you are forever. no chemical and physical alterations can change DNA

2)if people wanna change themself into looking like another race, go for it. but that doesnt mean anyone has to pretend you dont look like a fucking freak/monster. majority of trans look like fucking mutants. its only natural to be horrified when a fucking creature goes walking by

3)american society has so many fallacies, hypocrisies, gaps in logic, and backwards outdated rules that its a fucking joke, yet the majority of people never break outside of the matrix box they live in to notice it.
(this ones just a crazy theory i have)
4)i dont think aspergers syndrom is a disease. i think its the next stage of human evolution. A)faster thinking brains that process faster than normal minds B)lacking human emotional weakness = stronger functioning person. why do you think almost every futuristic piece of science fiction depicts people with Asperger traits. if everyone on earth had aspergers, there would be no war, because noone would give a flying fuck about stupid pety shit and over accumulation of power and wealth.

crazy paranoid theory, but its most likely true:
>>716129537
i think the illuminati has decided that we need to slow breeding down and kill off a chunk of the population in order to save the planet. so theyve created this PC SJW culture that encourages men to become beta and be chastised publicly/shamed out of trying to have sex = nobody gets laid and reproduction slows down. meanwhile theyre starting wars anyway they can, even when their presidential nominee puppet loses. i mean its just too much coincidence all this shit is happening around the same time and all points to lowered human population.

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>>716120691
Being a pedophile is a fetishization of the human body same as how being attracted to the same sex is. They're both mental illnesses.

>>716132644
It's not really their call. Informed consent is a thing and doctors only provide their expertise. They cannot force treatment or intentionally block someone from getting treatment. At best they can simply refuse to administer it themselves, but if it's an AMA-approved treatment and it can be shown the patient isn't retarded they could get into hot water.

>>716129648
Jesus thats gross

An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID… Therefore, be it RESOLVED, that the AMA supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender identity disorder.

>McHugh does cite one study from 2011, by Cecilia Dhejne, MD and colleagues at Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. However, he misunderstands Dr. Dhejnes work. In the paper, Dr. Dhejne states that the study was not designed to draw conclusions on the efficacy of transgender surgeries, yet McHugh does exactly that. A closer reading of the paper shows that the increased mortality is in those who had surgery before 1989, and that mortality in trans people after 1989 is not statistically different from the general population. A recently published paper by Dr. Dhejne and colleagues shows that the regret rate for those having surgery from 2001-2010 is only 0.3%. Dr. Dhejnes work shows that outcomes for transgender surgery have improved tremendously in the past 30 years, which supports the HHS decision to remove trans exclusions.
>The American Psychiatric Association and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health no longer view transgender identity as inherently pathological. Dr. McHughs views are stuck in the past.

>Dan Karasic, MD Health Sciences Clinical Professor of Psychiatry, UCSF Member, American Psychiatric Association Workgroup on Gender Dysphoria Member, Board of Directors, World Professional Association for Transgender Health

>>716120691
Oh come off it, society has always embraced the mental disorders it chooses. Look at all the psychopaths that have been world leaders, look at all anger issues from world leaders, look at all the pathological lying from politicians, look how insane those fucks on infowars are and how people get behind them. You're just cherry picking your mental disorders.

>>716132973
>no chemical and physical alterations can change DNA

So are you 12 or just retarded?

>illuminati
Fuck I've been trolled.

>>716132973
>1)there are only 2 sexes in the human race. male. female
What about intersex people? Where do i put them?

>>716133290
don't talk about that, they're just defective and it makes things complicated

>>716133249
>actually thinking you can change dna

Are YOU this retarded?

>>716133290
correction: There are only 3 sexes in the human race: Male, Female and Faggot.

Source: 4chan.org

>>716133249
He's a conspiracy theory nutjob, but he's kinda right. You're born with XY chromosomes, you stay with them.

>>716133098
Not everywhere though.
In most of europe there is no such thing as informed consent.
You wanna get hormones there? Though luck, that takes more than a year and ~5k€ in medical bills, that no insurance covers....

>>716133244
Yeah but these are mentally ill faggot peons, not world leaders. I feel like I'm actually a coffee machine born in a human body so therefore you must refer to me as Kuerig and your tax dollars will be used for my reassignment surgeries. If you don't agree %100 then you are a transphobic piece of cis scum

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>>716133373

http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/gene-therapy/home/ovc-20243692

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>>716133505
>/threading your own post

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>>716133453
That's fucking bullshit. Europeans deserve better than that gatekeeping tyranny