What does /b/ think of the death sentence? Should the death sentence

>>715772627
kill all killers
castrate all rapists
prison for drug dealers thieves and thugs only
all else settled with fines or community service

>>715772627
immediate death sentence for anyone who buys unbuttered popcorn and/or caffine free mountain dew

>>715772901
Interesting.

>>715772917
Honest opinions please.

>>715772627
No because id be killed AT LEAST three times by now.

>>715773552
Why's that?

>>715772627
I think it should be offered as a voluntary alternative to life imprisonment, but not used for revenge.

>>715773749
He's probably a child molester.

>>715773954
So vengeance is not the way. Interesting, interesting indeed.

>>715773992
That's what I assumed at first but I didn't want to be impolite just in case he might not be one. I'm careful with my accusations.

Here's another question. Should child rapists be killed or castrated?

>>715774196
no

>>715772901
>>>715772627 (OP)
>kill all killers
>castrate all rapists
>prison for drug dealers thieves and thugs only
>all else settled with fines or community service
I agree with this.

>>715774196
so long as its real rape, castrated
if its statutory then people should get over it teens want sex

>>715774405
Oh why yes of course.

>>715774365
And your reason being?

>>715774379
Yes it sounds reasonable but I'm still not convinced myself. My mind is very conflicted with morality.

Death row gladiator battles

Paper-view that shit

Solve economic problems

>>715774623
Seconded

>>715774623
I support this

>>715772627
Some people are just so unredeemable that putting them down is the right thing to do. Once they run out of appeals, just bring them out back and shoot them in the back of the head.

>>715774623
I will put money towards this

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>>715774623
>Paper-view

Should these mass murderers and child killers be experimented on instead of animals? It would be accurate but would it be moral? Think about this deep down.

>>715774488
Try to avoid making permanent decisions, if you can. Especially for something as benign as rape, it's literally the gift of sex with bad PR.

Don't make decisions on God's behalf, really. Try to avoid making justice calls, humans are notoriously bad at this. Either justice is a concept respect by the universe and you don't need to try to punish people or it isn't and you can stop worrying about it.

>>715775182
Pretty edgy, mate.

>>715775078
animals should only be experimented on if the experimentors are willing to eat the animals after

>>715772627
The death sentence is a deterrent. What people dont realize is back when it was actually carried out. Bank robbers tended to have their weapons loaded with blanks because they did not want to get anyone killed because of the death penalty. They also say that it is better to toss them in jail for life. They say it is cheaper and I say bullshit. It costs something like 40-50K a year per prisoner. Having someone serving life is nothing but a way to make money. They will never be released into society and will never be a productive member of society. They say two wrongs don't make a right but they need to consider their victims families. If someone murdered a member of my family they would die even if I had to wait years for them to walk out or to get a good shot threw a fence.

>>715775182
>Don't make decisions on God's behalf
But I don't believe in god. I'm just trying to see the most rational and most morally good choice to make. I'm stuck in limbo with this question.

If you lie in wait and kill unjustly, you deserve the death penalty.

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>>715775277
>Being this retarded

Please tell me you're joking...

>>715775277
But that could most likely be poisonous.

>>715775182
when god comes down and holds court he can make the decisions until then he can fuck off and we will make our own decisions

>>715774902
Hey man it's a doggy dog world out there and ideas like that are a diamond dozen.

for all intensive purposes I support that plan

>>715772627
In a perfect world we would have slave Labour camps for people who deserve it

>>715775435
Try to keep on topic please.

It's a lot smarter than keeping faggots alive for life sentences, that shit is done just for prison profit.

But current death sentence keeps people alive to long still, once convicted take a cunt out back and shoot him.

>>715775385
waste not want not

>>715775528
I disagree. In a perfect world crime wouldn't exist nor will slavery or anything near as bad as those would exist. That's my true vision of a utopia.

>>715775287
Great point.

>>715775628
Your perfect world sounds like shit, someone call the boring police, oh wait you can't because everyone is so boring in your shitopia that you don't even have a backup just in case.

>>715775628
I was about to say "but I said perfect world" but then again so did you

>>715775287
legal fees are where it costs more, death sentence for lawyers only, they shoulda known better

>>715775628
your vision of utopia is clearly not populated by humans.

>>715775929
Unrealistic yes. But still my ultimate dream.

>>715775772
But think about it. No crime and pure freedom to do anything but damage another person or yourself. Everything's free everyone's nice and nobody kills or hurts another person ever. What's wrong with this?

>>715776126
Then there would be way too many fucking people, I'm the fag who mentioned the slave labour

Killing for any reason beside eating/self defence is not necessary, life sentence should be punishment for all crimes like rape, murder etc. Getting the death penalty is a way better fate than rotting in prison. Imo its a favor not punishment. Revenge shouldn't be the goal here though, it should be to take the person away from "normal" society. I feel like society needs to evolve a lot more to be able to understand why killing in the name of justice is wrong.

>>715776227
We have an entire universe. Why not explore it?

>>715776126
sounds like the first matrix
whole plantations were lost

>>715776356
Understood. You kind of gave me a right answer but didn't exactly therefore I'm still not convinced for either side. Death or life for the worst criminals.

>>715776380
The fix the planet why don't you?

>>715776546
I wish I could but I'm no hero or villain. I'm neutral since my mind is very conflicted in a lot of situations. I suppose I'm both good and evil in a sense. But my dream remains the same for now.

>>715776398
>sounds like the first matrix
Is the matrix really a bad thing?

>>715776756
And what is your dream? Trust me I wish I can be my character in fallout 3, buts it's not gonna happen

>>715776809
the first matrix was a utopia
but humans rejected it and it was destroyed

>>715776840
my dream is to overcome my struggles with autism

>>715776985
Good answer

>>715776985
I to struggle with autism

getting them into the boxes is the worst

>>715776512
What does killing a person do?
Teach them a lesson?
No they is kill. They can't learn a lesson.
Deter others?
No plently of rapes and murder still happen in places with death penalty.
The only I can see it do is stroke the human ego. Hurr durr muh justice

>>715776840
I told you. Basically Eden. It's very stupid and unrealistic and would never happen but I still like it. Basically every single organism that ever lived was brought back to life in the future from advanced technology and live on a gigantic planet and not kill, damage or eat eachother and finally be unified into one big happy evolutionary genetic family. Again stupid and childish but I still like it. Every species that ever lived somehow surviving without food or water and being immortal and connecting and due to advanced technology the ability for all of us to easily have a conversation from translations. Everyone's happy, healthy and alive. Everyone has a chance apex predator, predator, herbivore.

>>715772627
The sentence should be exile and death upon return or coerced suicide.

>>715777145
why try and teach? they won't learn
killing them means not having to pay to look after them forever and the people who lost friend or family don't have to think about it

>>715777145
Taking vengeance out of the equation makes your answer almost perfect. I'm almost convinced and satisfied to side with you. Almost.

>>715772627
Guess it depends on what color your skin is

>>715777145
True. However your no better for letting a rapist rape. Wouldn't it be better for humanity if we can put them to work?

>>715777337
Nice counter argument.

>>715777383
Is that your honest opinion anon? Deep in depths of your heart?

>>715777389
Why not a life sentence?

>>715772917
I support this 100%

wanton taking of life that does not call for forfeiting your own life,is life cheapened mr conflicted

>>715777482
Because unfortunately that costs money

>>715777389
sorry your fired, we replaced you with a prisoner whos working for forgiveness
go feed your kids with our selfsatisfaction and niceness

>>715772627
Fully in favor of it. If you strip all emotion out of the debate, and simply rely on logic, and reason, it's easy to reach the conclusion that it simply comes down to whether, or not the guilty will ever change, if the population is willing to put up with it, and how much effort it will take to punish by more humane means. A law that doesn't protect the innocent is worthless, so if the law fails to use the death penalty, and as a result the innocent get hurt, then the law of that nation has failed.

>>715777717
>same fag here
Fuck one seven short.

>>715777449
I don't agree with it, but I believe that the judicial system is basically geared to send niggers to their death

>>715777584
I suppose that's true. But still is a life worth money? Like any money? I'm sure that depends on who the person is. I say the average life is priceless but...

>>715777834
I doubt it highly.

>>715777145
>What does killing a person do?
Cheaper because you do not have to pay to keep them alive at 40-50K a year.
>Teach them a lesson?
You cannot teach people not to murder when it is in their blood and that is what they do.
>No they is kill. They can't learn a lesson.
Again you cannot teach them not to. just like you can not teach a wild animal to be domestic.
>Deter others?
Yes it does actually. Those that know they will die for committing murder are more likely to not do it as for the the ones that know they will not be killed them selves.
>No plently of rapes and murder still happen in places with death penalty.
Rapes don't get the death penalty. Also the states that do have the death penalty, the murders tie up the system with appeals and drawn out court dates. if they do get the chair or what ever it is usually after like 20 - 40 years.
>The only I can see it do is stroke the human ego. Hurr durr muh justice
When a member of your family gets murdered and dies a slow death then and only then can you have an opinion on other victims families.

>>715777845
But people are having kids like we're disappearing. And alot of us are absolute pieces of shit, not sure if your trolling me but you know it's true

>>715777845
and yet you pay taxes that buy weapons that take such precious lives overseas
some times people need to die

>>715777845
It's as I stated here>>715777717
If the law fails to protect the innocent then it has failed to preform its purpose, and like anything that fails is worthless. It's most effective for the law to ignore emotional thought when making that decision, and thus if it can safely assume that the person will always be a major risk, it's most effective to eliminate them.

>>715772627
There are only two things you need to know about the dp:
1. It does not act as a deterrent
2. Innocent people will continue to be convicted and killed

>>715778181
I've never bought a weapon before. I was thinking of buying one. But still I believe self defense in another argument. Despite I don't see myself shooting anyone just threatening a mugger.

>>715778307
>Despite I don't see myself shooting anyone just threatening a mugger.
Might as well get a rock then.

>>715778390
A rock wouldn't scare a mugger with a knife.

>>715778044
Bet u r white
CHECK YOUR PRIVLEDGE FAM!

>>715778307
You should be aloud to murder someone breaking into your home

>>715778268
>Innocent people will continue to be convicted and killed
Yes, yes I know that but with careful trials and evidence I'm sure barely any innocent person gets killed.

>>715778448
Sigh.

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>>715778429
The Rock would fukin make faggot muggers wet their pantaloons bro

>>715778475
I disagree. I would never murder someone breaking into my home. I'd restrain them with a taser though.

>>715778568
Muscles aren't knife-proof.

>>715778550
Exactly what white privilege would say #blacklivesmatter #racistseverywhere #thisguyKkk

>>715778599
Nice dubs, but where I'm from I'd probably get charged for tazing them

>>715778268
Yes, but it does stop a lot of nonredeemable scumbags from ever doing their shit again.

>>715778644
The Rock don't have muscles, he made of Rock

>>715778651
If you're trying to act like a stereotypical black man you're doing it wrong you're acting like the typical BLM activist but not the actual race.

>>715778670
racist

>>715773954
I think you are looking at ut wrong. Death sentance is not a form of revenge, like an eye for an eye. Its society saying that we cannot trust you to live amongst the rest of us without killng again and therefore youve got to go. Like when an animal mauls a person and is put down.

>>715778429
If you only use it to scare them and don't intend to use it. then a rock is cheaper and just as good. If I pull my weapon on a mugger, their family will be attending their funeral.

>>715778717
Shill

>>715778670
I'd rather get charged than murder someone for breaking and entering and stealing.

>>715772627
I don't think the death penalty should exist at all. A government shouldn't be in the business of killing its citizens.

>>715778599
and if two people break in?
tasers are useless unless your the best shot alive and its just one guy

>>715774196
Neither. They should get life without parole.

>>715778758
An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

>>715775435
>intensive purposes

8/10 you b8ed me m80

>>715778791
But a rock can't fire multiple round beside them. Money is no problem for me since my family is wealthy.

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>>715778890
In a blind world the one eyed man is king!

>>715772627
>What does /b/ think of the death sentence?
how else will serious criminals ever learn their lesson?

>And should they also be tortured?
sure while we're tossing all human decency and progress away, why not torture? fuck human sanctity of life, fuck human rights, fuck basic empathy, fuck jesus, fuck everyone with half a brain or heart, fuck all y'all yeaaaaahaaaa go republican jeeebuuusss!

>>715778862
Then I'll use more than one taser.

>>715775287
>They say it is cheaper and I say bullshit.
Denying facts is a good way to go about life.

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>>715772627
I say put all offenders on death row, and have it rotate out as quick as a revolving door, any and all offences. Might seem edgy, but as someone who deals with insane bullshit caused by overpopulation daily, I just say fuck it kill em all and give those left more space. Maybe we'll even get lucky and net enough of the poor rapid breeding types to cause an overall decline in population for awhile. Wouldn't that be just fan-fucking-tastic....

>>715778978
Why a penis as a picture. Fucksake.

>>715778717
Fuck u little shitmote Imma proud fukin Black Man! FUck YOU! If Clinton was in power you would be in fucking prison for a hat crime you little white cuntshit!

>>715779010
good luck with that

>>715778517
Wrong. Dead wrong.

>>715778991
It's just a simple question.

>>715778517
Either this is b8, or you're retarded. Either way, you got me to respond.

>>715777337
That was my point, you can't teach them dead or alive but killing them only serves your sence of "justice" do you really think killing or imprisoning someone will bring back a dead relative?
>>715777339
I don't think there is a perfect answer though. Humans aren't smart enough to be olaying god. We can only do our best and hope historians don't think we were morons.
>>715777389
I'm not letting them rape. I'm just saying you only want them dead, or working for you because it feeds your sense of "justice" forced labor is forced labor regardless of the situation. Sitting in a cell for life is torture itself. They don't need more.

>>715779044
Are you a sociopath or psychopath? Be honest now. No need to be secret here.

>>715779081
Cos that's all a man is you silly boy

>>715779110
That's a tiny bit better. But I'm way better. So good that even black people thought I was actually black online.

>>715779081
one eyed trouser snake

try not to get triggered when you visit /b/ you faggot cunt

>>715779140
Can I see some proof for your claims then?

>>715779373
Look up literally anything about The Innocence Project.

>>715779194
Neither.

>>715779236
>We can only do our best and hope historians don't think we were morons.
I think we're already too late with that.

>>715779336
I'm not triggered I just find it revolting dumbass.

>>715779373
>>715779410
http://www.innocenceproject.org/exonerate/
It's pretty fascinating stuff, really.

>>715779410
Later.

>>715779236
the point isn't to 'bring back the dead relative' its to bring the whole matter to a satisfactory end. and the satisfaction should be for the people involved and not for the feels of the faggots looking for a vent for their moral crusading.

>>715779591
Thank you.

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>>715779254
Hmm good question, you decide. I can say at this point thought genocide doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. If only I knew way to get state sponsored to do so legally, ah what a wonderful world that would be.

>>715778063
If america can afford a military big enough for wolrd conquest it can afford to jail the worst of society. Ots about spending money wisely.
I never argued to try and teach a lesson, you misinterpreted my statement. I meant you can't teach them dead or alive so why try?
If the death penalty stops people why then are there toms of people on death row waiting to be executed? Shouldn't it over time stop people? Oh right no because behavior modification is more complex than that.
If someone kills my mom and then gets the death penalty I won't celebrate his death because I'm not a coward, it won't bring her back or accomplish anything. I will still grieving and she will still be gone. Life works this way.

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>>715779585
Stop it you are making me hard

>>715779585
triggered

>>715779663
I'm guess a sociopath. Objective yet no empathy and no remorse.

I think that it's wasteful.

Terrible criminals should be visibly branded or tattoed on their face and hands, as well as fitted with a tracking device. The most heinous should be interred in labor camps or used for experimentation.

No sense in turning to waste the food, energy, and human labour spent keeping trash alive for so-many years.

>>715779744
:/

>>715779656
You're welcome. The Innocence Project is the reason I completely changed my stance on the death penalty. I was completely for it until a few years ago.

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>>715779820
Getting harder baybeeee

>>715772627
Depends, are we talking about the death sentence as a form of punishment or a social practicality? I am against using the death sentence as a punishment. A punishment implies a lesson to be learned and by extension an attempt at reformation. The death sentence as a practical solution for people too dangerous to the general public to ever be released, however, I am all for. For this very reason I am apposed to life imprisonment. If an individuals crimes are so heinous that they can never be released then why should the tax payers have to fork out for three hots and a cot for the next 40-50 years? It makes no sense. There are only two logical solutions in an impartial justice system, reformation or death.

>>715779875
Interesting. I'm sorry for all the dicks in this thread btw.

>>715779938

Or this:

>>715779810

>>715779938
>If an individuals crimes are so heinous that they can never be released then why should the tax payers have to fork out for three hots and a cot for the next 40-50 years? It makes no sense.
But it's still cheaper to do that than it is to pay all the legal fees for every possible appeal. People often spend more than a decade on death row. It's cheaper to just pay to keep them imprisoned for life.

>>715779875
so how has it been? accepting that cock in your faggot ass for a 'few years'?

>>715780016
It's fine, I'm used to it. I've been coming here for longer than I've been against the death penalty lol

>>715780051
Ha. Ha. Ha. You're hilarious.

>>715779523
True. True.
>>715779615
In cases where a family member dies I don't think anyone feels satisfied at the end of the day. That's the point I am trying to make, its about the victims life never going back to how it was. No matter the conviction.

>>715779888
the fuck...

>>715780047
Which is why I am so opposed to our current appeals system.

>>715780124
the victim has no life
only fare the cause of this get the same

Most of you gave great answer's and I thank you for that. I wasn't expecting so many honest answers. Unfortunately until I read the innocence project my mind won't be made. I'll read it tomorrow after some sleep. Till then, good night /b/. :)

>>715780047
cheaper to say no appeals and kill them the same day as conviction

>>715780432
Cheaper? Yeah. But completely unconstitutional.

>>715780390
I'll try to remember to come back again tomorrow to see what you decided. I wish you happy reading.

>>715772627
I support the death penalty as an available option to those sentenced to life in prison without parole. I think life is one of the most sacred rights, that can't be taken away from anyone no matter how awful they are, and there are certain people so awful they deserve to never see the light of day again, but whether that means killing them or locking them up forever should be their own choice.

I also believe prisoners should be treated with respect. Not dignity, but respect. Their living situation should be engineered to inflict upon them as much suffering as they've caused, but this suffering should be inflicted without any undertone of contempt or resentment.

And if a prisoner chooses to die, he should be entitled to a private execution. Not painless, but private at least. If you're so horrible that you deserve to die, and you choose to die, you should get to feel like you're doing the right thing, because you are.

>>715780501
constitutions can be amended

>>715780124
I agree. The death sentence should be more about the safety of the public than the feelings of the victim's family.

>>715780579
Good luck with that in this political climate. We can barely pass a basic budget. And amending the Constitution is near-infinitely harder.

>>715780432
I am not saying to do away with appeals altogether but 20 years on death row is fucking ridiculous.

>>715780574
Right, well until there are court appointed rapists this is unattainable. Jokes aside, there needs to be a shift away from the crime and punishment mantra, It's simple, focus on reforming those that can be reformed and kill the rest. It is not about right and wrong, it is about public safety.

>>715780752
i'll get right on it
my hypothetical congress will surely pass my hypothetical bill because i'm pretty damn good, hypothetically speaking

I love talking to stupid cunts

>>715779025
Enplane to me then how it is cheaper to keep someone alive at 40-50K a year? Paperwork isn't near that much and a rope is cheap. The power bill doesn't cost that much either. To bury someone is about 10-15K with a regular funeral but the family will pay for that and if the state has to then the body can go to science.

>>715779693
And if they get out? Also you don't mind paying to keep the person that murdered your mother alive?

>>715781566
Two words: Legal. Fees. Also, it doesn't cost anywhere near $50K a year to imprison somewhere. Where are you getting that number?

>>715781316
Lol being this retarded

if you purposely kill someone you should be killed in turn.
anything else should be jail or torture that is equal to the degree of your crime.
example- a rapist should be castrated and imprisoned for x amount of years depending on the degree of rape

>>715781726
To keep one person alive for 50 years at 50K a year is 2.5M. Only reason legal fees cost so dame much is because they keep running bullshit appeals to get it extended. Put a limit of 3 appeals in a maximum of 5 years. At the end of the 3 appeals or the five years which ever comes first. The sentence should be carried out. That would solve your problem.

>>715781726
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html

>>715782004
That report was based on a 2013 study, Averages today are a bit higher.

>>715781995
I agree with this 100%

>>715781726
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

It's actually a lot more. I was going off several years ago.

>>715772627
everyone who supports death sentence should be in jail by false allegation. Have fun in death row. Its also very funny to lose close relatives to false allegation and to get the death sentence revoked one week after their death because they where proven innocent.

>>715782421
Anyone that false accuses or sets someone up and it is found out after the fact should get the death sentence as well. If it was due to mishandling of evidence then they should get the sentence as well. Just like when a woman falsely accuses a man of rape and it is found out later she lied. She should server the same amount of time that he did and be forced to pay restitution to him.

You tell the victims families that their loved one doesn't matter because you more self riotous than they are. People that deny the death penitently need to be executed on the spot. That is the opposite of what you are saying.

>>715782004
>The annual average taxpayer cost in these (40) states was $31,286 per inmate.
Yeah, so $30K is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than $50K. You can't just take the highest number and say that's how much it costs on average.

>>715782282
I'm not seeing anywhere on there where it says how much it costs on average to imprison someone for life. It looks like it's all death penalty appeals costs.

>>715782872
As I said before. You limit it to 3 you fix the problem. As long as they can run limitless appeals the costs continually go up.

>>715783256
But that would still require a constitutional amendment. It'll never happen.

>>715783421
They add amendments all the time, it can happen. People just need to push for it.

>>715772627
>rape
= prison, castration and rehabilitation, death if repeat offender, may be negotiated as life in prison and forced labor
>murder
= prison and rehabilitation, life in prison if repeat offender, with forced labor.
>child molesting
= death
>other crimes
I don't have the time to weigh every single crime, but overall I'd probably to see more community service. Keep prison for short-term reeducation and only long term for unsalvageable people.

>>715783572
>They add amendments all the time
There have been exactly 2 amendments to the U.S. Constitution in the past 50 years.