ITT we discuss anarchism. I may explain how my particular brand

okay please explain how we can live with no state, no police

>>715588805
Sounds retarded mate.

>>715588805
So at my office/warehouse does everyone now get an equal say in how the company is run?

>>715588805
By all means, enlighten us.

>>715588956
U got it.

First of all the police aren't actually doing the job thier supposed to do. They don't prevent crime. And the "deterrence" they do provide only forces criminals to use more cunning methods. And even They do catch the criminals they put them in cages and treat them like animals. This fosters a hatred for society. It makes men bitter hardened and sadistic.

Second, we've been told the state creates order, stability, safety...it doesnt. It makes a show of doing these things, but in the end, after the banking cartels, mandatory insurances, unnecessary military campaigns, bailouts, invasion of privacy, massive taxes, a popular vote that's actually uncounted towards the presidency, the list goes on and on...i would say its clear the government is corrupt, as all entities possessing power become, and creates far more problems than it claims to solve.

So we would live, without the burden of government, which is creating the socioeconomic conditions which in fact lead to the nessacity of the police, in a much more morally conscious world. Which is inn turn how we would live without police.

That's the long as short of it anyway. Anarchism is a deep and complex political ideology. Not at all what it's portrayed as in pop culture.

>>715590402
>First of all the police aren't actually doing the job thier supposed to do. They don't prevent crime

If you don't think the existence of police deters crime, you are a sheltered little bitch boy. Do you not know criminals?

>>715589958
Well... Yea. Because it wouldn't be YOUR warehouse. Anything that is made by, worked for, and benefited from the community, is the community's. Its not to say you couldn't contribute more and therefore deserve and have more than must ppl. There would however have to be a real contribution for it. Not the nebulous notion off "creating jobs" that could be had and done without you to larger benefit of the ppl. If only they possessed the means of production.

>>715590402
Honestly man, I want to listen to your opinions but you're making it really hard to take you seriously.

Not only do you think that criminals will go away without police, or that police don't deter crime just by virtue of existing, you also use bad examples of your specific country failing and attribute it to the very concept of modern government. Not all states create bad places to live.

But no cops and no state will lead to chaos. It has literally not worked on any significant scale in the modern era. It is literally not possible without bloodshed and nightmarish conditions.

>>715590852
But some people are morons and the bosses are generally smarter and more qualified to run the business. If everyone at my work got an equal say in how things were done, I guarantee that the office would go out of business. A lot of people in any give any selected group amongst all tiers of society will be shit at making important and difficult decisions that affect a lot of people

How do you not know this? Be honest, you haven't spent much time working have you?

Can you provide any factual evidence or are you just spouting off your opinion? Can you prove that these entities you believe do not work actually do not work? You have stated your case now back up your lunacy.

>>715590564
I used too be one. I robbed a lot of shit. They didn't deter me once. Ive since given back financially to my community and swore to never steal again. But Im not a sheltered bitch boy. Ik for a fact with the right gear, a bit of caution, and a backup plan u can get away with mostly anything. The policemans job requires the criminal to be stupid. Otherwise he's looking for a needle in a haystack. The smart ones get away with it for the most part and the stupid ones don't care. Besides locking ppl up, most of the time, doesn't rehabilitate ppl. They end up right back in there eventually. Its a cash scheme man. You would know that if you weren't a little bitch boy.

>anarchism
>communism
pick one

>>715591105
Ive spent enough time working to know the opposite is true. Managers do not always get to where They are by being good workers. As a matter of fact it is common practice to not promote your best workers into supervisory roles, but to keep then churning away in entry level roles. They make the managers more money that way.

>>715591351
I hope you realize that the sole reason that a lot of people drop the idea of crime as a job or even a career is because they don't want to live in prison. I hope you realize that a lot of criminals would be a lot more ambitious if they had no cops restricting their actions. If you don't think being a criminal would be easier without cops, you're fucking stupid kid. I don't know what else to tell you. That is the most naive pipe dream I've heard in a long time.

>>715591724
The managers are still generally the more competent and intelligent at managing people in the area. Anon this is fucking basic shit, and here you are,

"WHY DO WE NEED COPS OR BOSSES MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

I almost think you're trolling

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i have very anti-authoritarian leanings as well.

we're hundreds of years away from being able to have a fully voluntary society imo, but keep fighting the good fight opie

>>715591500
You misunderstand what anarchocommunism is. Its a society without government or private property, in a nutshell. Your thinking of regular communism, with a government.

>>715591985
>without private property

So can I just move into someone's house without their permission?

>>715591973
Maybe if they're weren't trained to be dimwitted robots in the "schools" they wouldn't have to be controlled in order for them to do what is nessaccary to ensure Their community's and from it thier, survival.

>>715591985
what if i own a militia and take some land. technically then it's private property.

>>715592108
No dude. If by circumstances you needed to temporarily until You get your own place then yea. Ppl still are going to use shit that everybody uses. Its not practical too share everything. The notion Behind the abolishment of private property is it can go where it is needed more than where it is wanted.

>>715588805
>ITT we discuss anarchism.
We will not.
You can't tell me what to do!

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>Anarchism
>Communism
>not free market
You get it wrong, dude.

>>715592264
Okay, so what's stopping some unstable homeless junkie from sleeping in my family's house? I can't call the cops, do I have to attack a homeless junkie in my house?

Every single thing you say is just refuted as soon as you realize how many shitty people exist who don't care about society and never will. I can't imagine the bubble you've lived in which has made you this naive.

>>715592288
Militias are pretty hard to come by but... Of there was unpopulated land it wouldn't matter. You would still be a group of ppl living on it, whatever You called it. Of your conquering i would say nearby communities would want to do away with You bc you threaten thier land too. Which would be an untenable position. The motivation Behind communism is putting the wealth inn the hands of the ppl and preventing it from being pooled into the pockets of the few. Ppl would have little to no reason to take more by force of they have everything they need. And Idc what its called so long as the accompanying rise in quality of life still exists.

>>715593055
Just as stupid.

>>715593060
Id say your living in the bubble. Yea you should get rid of the junkie! Right now, bubble boy, you approve of yourself living in this pseudofascist country so instead of dealing with anything remotely threatening or asking for your neighbours help..you call the police. Who more often than not will show up half an hour later and then not really give a shit.

Former punk rock fuck boi here to debate this nonsense.

>>715588805

This shit is just silly mental masturbation.

Anarchism is not good, go back to times of early weak governments (BCs & early AD besides Rome and some other outliers ) and you'll see what eventually comes out of anarchism. People covet power, if no formal institution exists one will be created.

>>715590402

No it's not, it is the belief that all government is corrupt and that existing governments should be dismantled, combining anarchism with other words makes no sense, it's like combining "no" with everything.

>>715593092
Op here. I think ancap would still foster greed and competitiveness in man. Things Which i believe are unnecessary for him to live a happy life. But id take it If that was the only anarchism achievable as circumstances dictate. Still would bee leaps and bounds better than the current system.

>>715590852

The more people involved in a process the slower things move. I have worked in places where process is very open and everything has gone sideways as well as places where no one had a say that resulted in the same.

But I will generally tell you that in the latter the person responsible for the cluster fuck usually gets shit canned. If nothing changes then a more efficient company will replace them (unless there is some large barrier to entry )

>>715593739

I don't see the point in debating this, it will never happen. It doesn't matter if theoretically your way is better for everyone because it literally could never happen. When there is no order someone will create one through whatever mechanisms possible, with anarchism all mechanisms are possible because nothing formal exists.

>>715593479
Wtf is a punk rock boi?

Youre not giving ppl a chance to learn from thier mistakes. These old societies had ppl with uneducated, physically smaller brains. Were dealing with a significantly different human being now.

And it makes perfect sense. There are many ways to run society with government, as there are without it.

Its clear you never read a single book on the topic. But that's cool you used to dress up and listen to bad music.

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>>715588805
greetings comrade

>>715594034
Oh Its possible. There would bee some type of formal ordering. Weekly community meetings, basic rules agreed upon by everyone they effect, procedures for dealing with disaster, etc...

>>715594515
Hello. Plz help answer some of These questions i can't keep up.

And Thats fucking hilarious. Most I've laughed all week.

>>715594852
hah I'll try to help even though I'm tired as fuck

Anarcho communists are not communists. Period.

Individualist Market Anarchists are the only true anarchists, the rest just replace the state with the community/corporations/syndicalist bullshit.

Go fuck yourself OP.

>>715593833
True. Im not saying Its a perfect system. It comes with its pitfalls like any other system. But it does prevent a lot of big problems like mass war, colonization, globalism, mass starvation, genocide, unjust imprisonment...

I think Its by far the lesser of all evils.

>>715595208
Are not anarchists* Fuck. I'm high as shit, I apologize.

>>715593479
anarchism is not "lack of goverbment" or even "smallish government". its both the idea that authority should be questioned, and deemed illegitemate, abolished. it is also the act of acting horizontally, or without the master/servant relationship. aka a highly organized horizontalist society would come from this, not the tyrranny and chaos failed states produce

>>715595229
It wouldn't work anon. You have no cops and your businesses have no managers or bosses. It's a system that you think about once as a utopia and then you realize it's fucking ridiculous because a lot of people don't care and will never care about a huge complex society as a whole, and your system requires that to be false.

Naive, that's the best summary.

>>715595208
What's wrong with a commune spanning the world? And why the hatred man? We both want the abolition of gov. Ancaps can live in a different geographical area. And coexist and even barter with ancoms.

Were on the same side nigga.

>>715595340
Name a modern stateless area of this planet that is a better place to live than western states.

>>715595512
>What's wrong with a commune spanning the world?

Because modern society is extremely complex and a hierarchy is 100% necessary to run it with any reliability and success.

>>715595512
The commune has the capacity to exert such control over the individual as to make the distinction between it and the state meaningless. Theres no liberty if your bread comes predicated on conformity.

>>715595453
No. Youre right about ppl now. But i know if ppl weren't born and raised in a society where self interest is encouraged, they would be much less self interested.

Imagine a school that encouraged morality and curiosity instead of roboting ppl too be cogs in the machine. Your looking at a morally conscious intelligent ppl. It will take time But is certainly possible.

>>715595208
and market anarchists replace the state with small business. whats ur point

>>715595563
There was one i know of. The black territory. An area the size of the third of Ukraine. If not for the perpetual war CAUSED SOLEY BY neighbouring governments, i could cite it as a better place to live.

And if your a reader look up the insurrectionary revolutionary Army of Ukraine on wikipedia. Its fascinating to say the least.

It illustrates how anarchist societies don't exist not because they can't, but because outside of a global revolution, they must defend themselves constantly not against ppl, but governments. Which do not want any anarchist society to exist anywhere. It threatens thier stability.

>>715595563
i cant because i guess your definition of "better" is not the freedom of its citizens, but the amount of stuff it produces

>>715596628
You guessed wrong bitch, HDI murder rate, violent crime rate, has the area become an armed conflict zone, infant mortality rate, median income, healthcare, education scores, seriously.

Give me one. You can't, because the absence of a state is a fucking retarded idea which creates a power vacuum that will be exploited. Learn some basic facts of our reality.

>>715595870
There would be as much liberty as possible. I wouldn't say anarchocommunism breeds conformity. No more so than ancap. Both less than a governed society.

Why the hate? Srsly me and your beliefs are closer to each other than each is to the average joes. We can present a United front against government then live as we choose with other similarly minded ppl in different areas.

>>715596388
They replace it with small businesses and voluntary associations to mitigate against externalities, its all voluntary cooperatives that mutually compete against both the economic interests and good will of the populace --- that is not a dictatorship by any means.

>>715597085
ok. you do know the reason anarchist societies dont exist are because authoritarian ones destroyed them with military force right

>>715597085
What anarchism are you quoting that has those qualities? Africa? I can't think of any other area.

Those places aren't anarchisms. The political social and economic situation There is heavily influenced by foreign government. The basic facts of "reality" that you've learned Are from and only apply to a governed world.

>>715597490
this market anarchist and ancoms often collaborate. no need to fight theres merit in both

>>715597629
soooo please tell me the moral difference between small business governing society and small communes doing the same?

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>>715595340

>>715597809
That's what happens when a society makes itself much weaker and vulnerable to conquest.

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>>715588805

>>715598100
:l

Google is not going to provide a complete definition of anarchism. Come on man. Thats like asking a cop if his job is nessaccary.

>>715598100
yeah, please research that "anarchism as a political force part" so you can see what we've historically stood for and done. namaste

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>>715598223
/thread

>>715595340
>highly organized by no one

Dude, what are you talking about. The only organizations that work best flat are ones with a high population of smart people : tech companies, law firms, consulting firms, startups.

The general population is not intelligent enough to make rational choices for the greater good of everyone else. And smart people who don't give a fuck about other people will exploit it to establish a system that benefits themselves.

Even the examples I gave have a hierarchy, it is just not as top heavy.

>>715597809
Like jesus christ dude, humans are literally wild animals that need to be managed or else we will devolve into chaos. There are whole portions of society that need control and need supervision or else they will ruin things for everyone else.

>>715598192
cant tell if youre trolling or nah. anarchist societies faced pretty much the combined forces of all the surrounding countries and military superpowers when the revolutions of spain and ukraine began. still they held their ground for quite some time. id you want a modern example just look at YPG(their ideology and society are based out of anarchist thought) that more or less kicked ISIS out of syria while fending of turkey and al assad. theyre pretty much the first force that managed to beat ISIS while western superpowers shook to their knees at its progress

>>715598192
The idea is to not have anything in the world that conquers. It's a worthless activity and harms society as a whole.

Once you realize the only reason any country Has a military is to protect themselves from other militaries.... Which in turn have militaries to protect themselves from the first military... You see its a Mexican standoff nobody wants to be at. If both duelists simply put thier guns down, nobody has too fear getting shot. Then nobody needs the guns.

Theyre a massive drain on resources anyway.

>>715588805

This has been a painful read.

Learn some fucking economics, OP.

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>>715598100
>ontological reductionist
Holy fuck this thread sucks.

>>715598223
I think the alternative...

SOCIETY IS GREAT!

Is by far the sentiment that's retarded.

>>715598779
The Kurds had and have a ton of external help, that's a huge factor. I don't know about the other two, but choosing two examples who were conquered in a few years is not a good fucking start lmao

>The idea is to not have anything in the world that conquers. It's a worthless activity and harms society as a whole.

>Once you realize the only reason any country Has a military is to protect themselves from other militaries.... Which in turn have militaries to protect themselves from the first military... You see its a Mexican standoff nobody wants to be at. If both duelists simply put thier guns down, nobody has too fear getting shot. Then nobody needs the guns.

>>715598442
>The only organizations that work best flat are ones with a high population of smart people : tech companies, law firms, consulting firms, startups.

ha! pretty much all those branches you mentioned are bogged down with bullshit jobs and the stupidity of hiearchy
>The general population is not intelligent enough to make rational choices for the greater good of everyone else.
much unlike the brilliant elite who still havent figured out how to solve the ceonomic or ecologic crises tearing the world apart
>And smart people who don't give a fuck about other people will exploit it to establish a system that benefits themselves.
change "smart" to "powerful" people and thats pretty much capitalism explained. our system was established and upheld by brute force not the wits of the ruling class

>>715598442
>division of labor
>specialization
No organization is without hierarchy. Luther Gulick is rolling in his fucking grave.

>>715598855
You're completely ignoring the miltiaries that conquer to expand their power. Jesus christ you're dumb

>>715590402
>First of all the police aren't actually doing the job thier supposed to do. They don't prevent crime.
Someone has been watching WAY too much Minority Report.

>>715588805
>Anarchocommunism
Stopped reading there middle schooler official
MODS

>>715598442
Sooooo if the general populace had access to the private schools, superior childhood diet, tutors, amazing colleges...

Don't you think they'd be smart enough to organize a cabbage field? Distillery? Pharmacological lab?

>>715599322
literally this

Some idealistic shit right here in this thread. The absence of a state leads to "a state." Anarchy is a concept. Its not something that can actualy exist. Will always give way to fuedal systems large and small scale. Basicaly ...with no societal protection someone will always try tontake yo shit nigga..and eventually one group will have succeeded

>>715591976
>we're hundreds of years away from being able to have a fully voluntary society imo, but keep fighting the good fight opie

A fully voluntary society is only possible when anarchism and communism can coexist completely because the means of production are ubiquitous and free. In other words, never. So get used to working in the capitalist world.

I think Anarchism will fail because it depends on the good will of the people. (something which I haven't found) Yet?

>>715588805
Please explain how a true anarchy is possible when it's an inherent property of human nature that in the absence of any more organized government, we submit to a certain original, fundamental system of government -- the simplest imaginable, perhaps best called a "party" -- whereby nations are very small (on the order of about 10 people at most) and nomadic, the military consists of all of them, leaders have absolute rule and are chosen by their ability to negotiate with and/or mortally intimidate the populace, period of rule is indefinite, there is no written law, and a tight race for power is almost always resolved with mutual secession that may or may not be followed by war.

Is that what you want? Because that's technically not anarchy. It's the closest we can get, but it's not quite there, because true anarchy isn't in our nature. The strong will always dominate the weak, and that's technically a form of government, if a very primitive one.

>>715599249
>>715599249
>The Kurds had and have a ton of external help, that's a huge factor.

bruh ALL forces in the syrian war has had a fuckton of external help. case in point is that anarchist societies can be powerful and outperform authoritarian ones.
>Once you realize the only reason any country Has a military is to protect themselves from other militaries.... Which in turn have militaries to protect themselves from the first military... You see its a Mexican standoff nobody wants to be at. If both duelists simply put thier guns down, nobody has too fear getting shot. Then nobody needs the guns.

true. thats why anarchists want to put down the guns of the state. in YPG controlled rojava everybody gets police training so people will be able to handle dangerous situations themselves, ultimately leading to the abolishion of the police

>>715590877
Well he's not entirely wrong , if nothing is illegal then there is no crime , no crime = no criminals

I prefer National Socialism but okay

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Anarcho-Monarchism is the best form of government. Really, it is.
Basically you abolish the government and you give the most liked and trusted person in the nation a sceptre, crown, robe, and a really big gun. Everyone else can pretty much do whatever they want and should probably buy guns too. The King or Queen's only real job would be to go around the nation and, because they're so well liked, rally up citizens to go out and raid anyone trying to start up a new government.
Of Course England would have the queen, America would have Tom Hanks, and so on and so on. If you want to go further, Anarcho-Nazism, a similar system in which a zombified Hitler would forever lead the world, rooting out jews, gypsies, non-whites, and pro-government statists who tell people what to do.
This is my ideology, an Individual Anarchy vouching for Electoral Monarchy with some Ethnic Cleansing thrown in, and I personally ask you to respect it

>>715599643
idk, some anarchists are anarchists because they think people are petty and evil and shouldn't be trusted with power over others

>>715599322

>>The only organizations that work best flat are ones with a high population of smart people : tech companies, law firms, consulting firms, startups.

>ha! pretty much all those branches you mentioned are bogged down with bullshit jobs and the stupidity of hiearchy

I didn't say that was the reality of all the companies in all of those industries I just said that those are the only organizations that I have heard of a sizable majority being flat or almost flat.

>>The general population is not intelligent enough to make rational choices for the greater good of everyone else.
>much unlike the brilliant elite who still havent figured out how to solve the ceonomic or ecologic crises tearing the world apart

You're not debating my point just redirecting to talk about how elites "haven't figured out how to solve ceonomic or ecologic crises". Guess what, they don't want to because they are the ones benefiting from them.

I'm not pro elites and globalists, I'm just debating anarchism doesn't work.

>>And smart people who don't give a fuck about other people will exploit it to establish a system that benefits themselves.
>change "smart" to "powerful" people and thats pretty much capitalism explained. our system was established and upheld by brute force not the wits of the ruling class

No, you don't get it. A CEO of a bank can't decide he wants to have a murder squad execute the homeless people outside of his branches, he doesn't force people to work on his land and take all his profits (i.e. serfdom). Our current system is not nearly as bad as tyrannically dictatorships and to say they are is just silly. And if there was no government then the "smart" people could create their own and make their own rules, which could allow them to do things like I mentioned previously.

>>715599802
i hate to be an academicfag but none of thats true. anthropologists have long since studied "primitive" societies that are organized completely differently.

>>715600022
believe it or not there are ancaps who would like almost what you described. peter thiel is one of them

>>715600307
oh

>>715588805
>anarchocommunism
Literally the most contradictory shit I've ever read

>>715599612
That's with the ppl of today. Given a chance to be raised in a compassionately orded Society, ppl will be more compassionate.

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>>715588805

>>715598059
Does a commie not understand the difference between voluntary exchange and cooperation and coerced ones? Me thinks he does not.

>>715600282
>No, you don't get it. A CEO of a bank can't decide he wants to have a murder squad execute the homeless people outside of his branches, he doesn't force people to work on his land and take all his profits (i.e. serfdom

that's.... almost exactly what CEO's of banks can do. case point: how IMF razed Ireland and Greece to the ground for disobeying their rules. or how the world bank has robbed and exploited thirld world countries over the global south. sure in the civilized world they cannot literally have mured squads execute people outside their banks, but the will use as much force as they possibly can to throw them out, often through private security

>>715600751
please tell the difference. liberal myths about the free exchange of the markets don't apply since they're not based in reality

>>715600022
But what of the tendency of power to corrupt?

>>715600607
Anarchocommunism isn't inherently self contradictory, it would just require neuroeugenics to implement. We would have to breed a morally superior subspecies of man. (And before you racists and anti-racists get pumped up, no, I am NOT implying we should make everyone white. Skin color has nothing to do with what I'm saying, which is that we should breed out bad BEHAVIORS, that may likely correspond to alleles that govern BRAIN development, NOT necessarily development of visible racial characteristics.)

People, as we are now, are too greedy for true and perfect communism to work. We have to breed out the greed

>>715601311
imo both grred and solidarity are aspects of human behaviour. obeying rules and acting decently are as well. therefore we should try building a society that encourages as much solidarity as possible, and discourages greed. if that doesnt work theres always transhumanism

>>715601311
>breed out the greed

Thats a nice slogan.

And unfortunately is a very good point. I don't like the idea of telling ppl they can and cannot breed. But the resulting acceleration off evolution will prevent so much suffering the ends do justify the means here.

>>715588805
discriminated today, discriminator tomorrow

>>715600931
>that's almost exactly what banks do

>hire murder squads to kill homeless people
>equals
>not letting a country that has made no effort to stay competitive continue to give out entitlements and not pay banks back

not the same as murdering people, it's not the same thing

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>>715588805
Implying that a teenager who just read little bakunin will reason with some "edgy" Trump and Hitler supporters.
You are a cuck, the reason that a anarchy state will never exist is you.

>>715600751
Well... Youre wrong. One is coerced. The other isn't...

Is it really complicated of a idea that i might misunderstand it lol?

>>715601311
>>715601693

So you think it would be OK to chemically castrate people who you don't find agreeable?

>>715601861
well you put it in more eloquent words but yeah, the IMF murders people. suicide rates shoot theough the roof while pensioners faint of starvation in line for the banks to withdraw money. its murder bruh

>>715601946
dunno what your point is, but rip Revfront none the less

>>715602060
Perhaps a rehabilitation program. Not prison. If chemical castration is the only way id rather have the pitfalls of freedom.

>>715602081

THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY

The organization that made the promise to those pensioners ran out of money because they are not able to pay back the people they lend money from and therefore can no longer borrow money.

It is unfortunate that people have been mistreated by pandering populists implementing and promising impossible systems but to turn around and blame the banks for Greece is extremely unfair, they run a business and it doesn't make business sense to lend money to an insolvent entity.

>>715601194
Would Tom Hanks really do that tho.

>>715590877
He never said there wouldn't be criminals. It'd be your responsibility to defend urslef

>>715601946
What? Why exactly am i bad for the cause?

And Ive read a lot more than bakunin. I thought him too wordy. Kropotkin was much more eloquent.

>>715600931
citation needed.

>>715588805
Cynic here, just to check in and say hello. I mean, no need to debate. We'll never change one another's minds, people never change, after all.

>>715593079

Well then wouldn't the strongest group get most stuff? What if the strongest group is a bunch of asshole cannibals

>>715602470
well whats closer to the truth is that they loaned a fuckton of money to a underdeveloped economy that they knew could never pay it back, then accidentally destroyed their economy before killing it off completely. yanis varoufakis(ex greek finance minister and valve employee) explains what happened on his blog

https://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2016/07/29/the-imf-confesses-it-immolated-greece-on-behalf-of-the-eurogroup/

>>715602990
never mind that guy

anarchismists can fuck off to somalia and see how glorious it is having no police and no government

>>715602996
>>715603393

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>>715588805

>hi, i'm here to discuss my shit-talk troll opinions! but i don't give a shit what you think about it, because i'm right no matter what...and can't take criticism!
>fuck off

fuck off, too.

>>715603509
i dont think theres a single country with more competing governments and police than somalia. possibly syria

Who maintains public roads and transport? Who maintains basic infrastructure like electricity and plumbing? Who maintains public services like trash collection and mail? Who regulates corporations to keep them from dumping aids in your reservoir? Who maintains the military and decides when and where to deploy them?

>>715603703
the workers who did the same tasks under authoritarianism.
>Who regulates corporations to keep them from dumping aids in your reservoir?
see that's the point, under anarchism corporations would peobably not exist, the land would be owned and taken care of collectively, ensuring its well being

>>715588805
Oh look, it's that faggot from the other night who couldn't support his argument.
>Claims we're brainwashed
>only spouts ancap rhetoric and no proof
>when challenged about this: "it's all around you, man!"
>doesn't even practice real anarchism

>>715603509
We would of it wasn't for the foreign governments that govern that...ahem, "Anarchism"

>>715603170
Are you trying to change peoples minds about trying to change peoples minds by saying that people won't change their minds

>>715603677
Oh i see your right and im wrong...

Hehehe...

How about an argument????

>>715590402
Agreed

>>715594515

so much this, and much, much more.

>>715588805
Hows the welfare situation treating you?

anarchism is retarded. that's really all there is to say.

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>>715604323
rrrrRREEEEE

>>715588805
>>715598855

>>715590402
>what is human nature

>>715588805
What the difference between anarcho-communism (or an-syndycalism) and anarcho-capitalism.
Why anarcho-communism can't exist in anarcho-capitalism?

>>715603915
Where do the funds for this come from? You think everyone is just going to do everything for no compensation because "it's the right thing to do?" Everything being owned collectively sounds like communism, not anarchism. This system you propose relies on everyone being hardworking and selfless, and assumes no one will try to take advantage of the lack of regulation to take control or propogate some fucked up ideal. This is how you get yourself a genocide.

>>715601311
Dude, anarchism is lack of government, or leaders, isn't it?
If you want to live in community how would you do it? Who is gonna be the one who divides the lands. Who is gonna tell everyone what to do?, I think if anarchism was a thing everyone would be on his own and there would be no such thing as a community

>>715603926
Bitch...

Ive stated many arguments. I won't stand here and be told Im not a practising anarchist. Wtf should i do? Murder a couple cops and get locked up where ill present a poor example of a anarchism and can't support the cause? Idk what your problem is but you God Damn well better believe Im an anarchist. Ive been talking till Im blue in the face for years.

>>715600931
Now we know you're full of shit.

Ireland imploded briefly because they literally sold each other empty houses at increasing prices. Greece imploded because they lied about their government accounts for years and promised everyone an income far beyond their means to pay it. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing anarchyboy.

>>715603973
Brilliant.

>>715588805
Shouldn't you be off to Portland to smash some Starbucks windows?


I hate you silly fags

>>715604639
The truth is...

Tabula rasa.

Blank slate. A human being adapts too and learns to live in the environment its born in. There is no human nature. Well aside from the desire to eat drink fuck and sleep lol. We can be anything We wish to be. We are often influenced... But nevertheless.

Anarchism: the ideal adopted by people too lazy to try think of something better than what we already have.

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill

>>715604822
Op here. It can. Ive gotten a lot of pushback from ancaps though. They have a hatred of the system like us ancoms but enjoy the current way of life. I think They see us as a threat to that. They're right. We don't believe in greed and self interest as fuel for an economy. Thats where the chism is.

>>715606080
If you're going to use jargon and cliches to try and sound intelligent you should lern 2 spel first.

anarchists and commies are such idealistic faggots.
YOUR IDEAS DON'T WORK.

>>715604250

There is no point arguing with you

>>715606080
How do you cope with the fact, that some guys with a guns would try to establish control over some land.
You know, to have nice shelter, girls, water.
Other people would hire them for safety, and would pay them.
Wouldn't that establish a little state?
That's what is taking a place in Somalia.

Isn't anarchism an always temporary condition, where eventually any form of leadership would come out?

>>715605235
And you believe those problems werent exacerbated or even created by government? I know little of those countries situations. But i know what government is and does. I guarantee if research was done the government would be found to have a hand in it. Its what they do.

>>715606813
>Isn't anarchism an always temporary condition, where eventually any form of leadership would come out?
of course it is. anarchists lack any sort of ability to think ahead.

>>715606998
What makes you think everyone on earth would suddenly become a hardworking, selfless, morally flawless person the second government was abolished? Your ideals are deeply flawed, and frankly kind of retarded.

>>715602318
>>715602990
Kropotkin is old. You see the bad thing with red/black anarchists is that you still think that this society will keep up with this theory. Your theory will never be imply successfully because of that. Fuck lubens, fuck protelariats, they will never get the point. If you want to see some change, team up with your local anarchists and find a way to imply your policy, through any means.

>>715588805
>>anarchocommunism
Fuck you commie.

passing-by-anarchist

>>715606068
Says a man devoid of hope.

-anon

>>715608166
Who says I'm devoid of hope? I just think Anarchism is retarded. The places closest to Anarchism in the world are in Africa. Hows that going for them?

>>715606998
>govt lies about accounts
>those problems werent exacerbated or even created by government?

You have all the slogans memorised but actually thought and comprehension is missing.

>>715588805
I remember when I was 13 and thought anarchism was viable. Protip: it's not.

>>715606813
We think further than most. And Its only temporary if the ppl will it. And with education they won't. I meet many ppl in life and on the chan that are anarchists but don't know it. Were all fed up with the bullshit. I know with a bit of education and a proper society to grow up in we can move beyond the primitive desire to dominate and control. We are living in an altered way of life. The proper way is as mother nature intended. In harmony with ourselves and the environment. God does not make mistakes. Man does.

>>715607533
I believe They would not immediately, but over generations. They're is no flaw only a lack of support.

>>715609030
Flash news commieboy.
Nature is cruel and dominant over everything, also what kind of god are you talking about?

>>715607592
Goddamnit put me in an army and i will fight. I know this is the best way society can organize itself. Its a matter of numbers. I won't fight a doomed war. Ill fight a winnable one though. Imagine how many ppl are thinking to themselves "i wont resist government... Ill lose." there are many, enough to make an army that could challenge the 1%!

Dont contribute to a self-dooming prophesy. Don't be like so many ppl and believe there's no way to improve society and by the very belief of such make it true!!!

>>715588805
Anarchy got to many rules

>>715588805
Anarchy alone is a contradiction

ITT: Delusional Commies spouting rhetoric and ignoring everyone making valid points.

>>715609030
Ok, but what about fact that early societes of primitives cooperated under leadership, and became clans, tribes, cities, states, unions of states. With any form of governemnt: monarchy, despotism, feudalism, democracy et cetera. Under governance, and with proprietorship they develop to this day.

Only one groups, that live in form that could be called anarchism or anarcho-communism are small primitive tribes living distant and isolated on Pacific Islands, in jungles in South America or bushes in Africa.
And their form of self-governance (anarchism) made them technologically unprogressed, undeveloped, culturally primitive.
Doesn't that proof that any form of anarchism would make a condition under which any development is ot possible? Just trying to find food and shelter.

>>715609610
A taoist/deistic one.

And nature, as far as human nature is concerned is up only to us. As we decide or allow ourselves to be convinced.

>>715610376
Theres no reason technology couldn't exist and improve inn an anarchist society. Theres never been an example of such bc government destroys all that threatens it.

>>715610749
Yes, there's nor reason to existence of technology in such society.
But the fact is that in such societes there's lack of progress.
And you can't say
>that's because government destroys all that threatens it
because there's no government at all in tribes in Amazon rainforests.
They live in anarcho-communes:
>have no private ownership (often kids are raised collectivelly)
>they help each other building huts, harvesting food, in hunting.
And their cultures didn't budge at all through centuries.

>>715588805
it's super fucking gaytarded. the end.

>>715590564
how is that pissing your pants when you see your own shadow working out?

>>715611388
Add to these societies the knowledge of man and you'll see what an anarchocommunist society would be.

>>715590877
>it has literally not been tried on any significant scale in the modern era

fixed that for ya, shitdick

>>715611522
You got me there.

KEK

How about an argument???

Or are insults and your illogical brainwashing all you have? Is that why youre afraid to put forth the reasons for your pro-establishment belief? Or are They so full of holes that you won't state them here??

>>715610032
Have you heard about Greece?
Do you know what was Syriza's ideas before they get elected? Unarm police, legalise weed, let some terrorist groups out of prison and that kind of policies.
They did nothing because they didnt want to lose next elections. You can have the best policy for a society but you will find so many resistance that you will not imply shit. The only reason i consider myself an anarchist is that i dont believe we can achieve anything if we are waiting lubens wake up, fuck Marx he was wrong. Think like Cuba. Gather your best man, claim a territory not easy approachable by anyone and do your think, Castro was a commie, i am not talking about his policies but the way he claimed Cuba.
Do this or wait for a AI world government.

>>715588805
Whoa, when did anarchism get such a stylish, modern logo?

>>715611672
I do not see a aboriginal's society at full bloom in Australia at the moment.

>>715610441
Fuck human nature. Carnivorous NEED to be dominant to SURVIVE, hunt and kill to eat, attack to claim their food, thats nature.
Sorry but you are beyond retarded
Good luck in next life hippie

>>715612746
Arent those ppl the equivalent of American native Americans? Brutally fucked a long time ago and yet to recover?

>>715612944
Oh ill do much better than You. If there is one.

Instead of accepting the unethical current way of things bc "that's the way it is" i resist tyranny and try to build a better society.

Im sure god will understand how you and most ppl are cynical fucks of thier own choosing.

>>715613134
What about native tribes living on desolated pacific islands?
Or in amazon jungle, recently discovered by western cilization?

Native americans living in preserve areas didn't create their own space program yet. But they made good money on gambling, but they accepted private ownership, idea of money and such.

>>715613629
You will. Because i am not going anywhere after this life, i will be fucking dead.

Dude you really are full of shit. If lion dont kill the zebra lion will starve and die! If another predator show up it has to claim his food by traumatize the other predator or it will starve and die
Its not tyrrany its life.
If you cannot see it proceed to the next life immediately