>Damaging the environment at an alarming rate >Un-ethical

>>715492395
i eat plants and leaves . i get all my protein from legumes

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>>715492395
thread for non queer carnivorous men?

I love it.

>>715492395
Wow you really opened my eyes man. I never knew that enjoying steak was a result of being cucked by propaganda! You should write a book about this, I'm sure you will sell lots and help change the world! You sure changed me. I just want to say thanks again man you changed my life for the better.

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>>715492741
That looks really good... Damn you for making me hungry.

Because I like my testosterone

>>715492962
replying to self btw - what's the best bbq sauce you know?

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>>715492962
Enjoy your higher IGF-1 and lower testostrone
http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/

My little bro won't eat Parmesan cheese or jello because they have animal products. wtf it tastes good.

>>715492395
Cucked?
I don't think it means what you think it means. Especially in reference to a nebulous meat industry.

>>715493146
I am jealous.

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>>715492395
All agriculture leads to the death of animals. Forests are clearcut to make room for farmland and farmers trap and kill animals to protect their crops. Unless you grow all your vegetables in your backyard you contribute to animal death.

>>715492395
Because we're at the top of the food chain? Maybe because we're omnivores and have been for thousands of years? Maybe because we don't fall for bullshit began propaganda from pansy ass sissies who pass out at the sight of blood? Maybe because not everyone falls for the emasculating bullshit leftist culture? Pick whichever you like most

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>>715492395
I like how you're acting vegan, but you choke down huge pieces of meat every night. Or ar you passed the gagging stage nowadays?

if we didn't kill animals for food, there is a very high probability that many species would overpopulate. When a "problem species" gets too high in numbers, your only option is to take the matter into your own hands *insert Holocaust joke here*

>>715493274
How are animals intended for consumption fed?

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>>715493155
like I don't have cancer already from using my cell phone.

fuck off commy

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>>715493406
In Texas pigs are such a nuisance you can just go kill them with bombs and shit and the government will thank you.

>>715493406
Hunting and wild animal population control is necessary
Factory farming and breeding animals into torture and subjugation is not

>>715493031
tears of vegans

>>715493542
Damn chile relleno? Thats a good damn idea.

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>>715493563
>you can just go kill them with bombs and shit

>>715493406
we force breed them. im not vegan, i just really needed to correct you because i hear this argument daily and its getting retarded.

>>715493341

Being on top of the food chain means you have complete control over what you can eat. and some people chose not to eat animal products, simple as that.
Arguing for something because "it has always been that way" is pointless because it leads nowhere. People shouldnt be allowed to participate in politics because humanity had kings and tribal leaders for thousands of years!
There are some reasonable arguments against meat eating if you are willing to talk about it

Because bacon

>>715493630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-0aRh7zRhE

Youtube is full of em.

>>715493613
no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZvhpkaAcqs&t=6s

>>715493341
You're not at the top of the food chain. Unless you're going to lie, you're part of a system where you pay a complete stranger to kill another sentient being. We're at the 'top of the food chain' because of our intelect and consciousness, why can't this be used to think through our actions?

Veganism/vegetarianism isn't 'leftist', it's realistic.

>>715493406

The reason some species would become 'overpopulated' is actually due to the cattle industry; especially in the US.

>>715492395
i like the taste of meat. that's enough of a reason for me to eat it.

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>>715493759
i almost pissed myself!

>>715492395
>Damaging to health

I never believed in that shit. All of the elders in my family that are over 80 eat meat and consume milk based products virtually everyday and they still live normally. I really pity the idiots restraining themselves to a shitty diet only to end up dying the same way people who enjoy their lives do.

Because I don't give a shit and meat taste good.

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Humans are omnivores and most food is consumed for entertainment rather than purely for sustenance. In a world where most people die from diet-related heart problems you want to bitch about the individual ethics and economics of one type of food? You're putting the cart before the horse, it's such an obvious error it can be assumed the argument itself is put forth for a purpose unrelated to actual problem solving, probably some cultural thing. You want it to be "cool" to eat the way you eat and for it to be "uncool" to do it any other way, your interest is vanity and that interest invalidates any argument you might make. It's also pointless, the very nature of an omnivore behavior can and is undermining you, for the same reason your specialized diet even exists as an idea people will continue to eat nearly everything they can digest.

Besides, there's really no hope of it becoming "cool" when it's linked with leftist beliefs, especially now that the political left has become racist, sexist and faces a sort of generalized corruption arising from the same incorrect ethical determination as all other forms of corruption; the idea that the ends justify the means. Every example of this type of corruption has been cleansed eventually so betting "with" it is a bad bet. Moreover vegans always become disgustingly skinny, usually too skinny to still be attractive. I think it happens because their protein sources are hard to eat and you have to eat a rather lot of them, you have to be pretty ardent about it and the reality is most people are going to fail at that.

>>715493861
If someone liked the taste of humans, would that justify them eating them?

>>715493861
I like the way dog pussy feels, that's enough of a reason for me to fuck it.

>>715492395
dont care

hey so duck tales is getting a reboot

>>715493957
At least you admit you don't give a shit about what's right.

>>715493951
"I smoke 60 a day and I'm 85"

You're a fucking retard.

I won't be alive for the repercussions so, fuck it!

We don't eat meat, we won't be keeping and breeding those animals, animals go extint. GJ you fag, you just kill every animal on the planet.

>>715493563
I actually fucking laughed

The day that we as predators begin to morally ponder the handling and consumption of our prey will be the day we punch our ticket to extinction. One way. Bitchass.

>>715493982
So what's the problem, then?

>>715492395
Complex proteins and fats from cooked meet makes testosterone. Its also what made us what we are today.

Fuck you veganism is for tool bags

>>715493833
You're retarded. We ARE the top of the food chain. So high up there most of our population doesn't even NEED to kill. That doesn't negate the fact we're at the top. Vegans are seriously fucking stupid man.

Also the PLANT farming industry is just as destructive as regular farming but you're to stupid to even realize soil runs out of nutrients and need chemicals like ammonia to even start growing foods. Not too mention the absurd amounts of fertilizers and pesticides. I bet you think all those organic plants are just grown with water dont you?

>>715493861

Fair enough, But couldnt a rapist use the same reasoning to justify himself?

>>715494094
There are more factors going into having sex with dogs than how it feels. I thought that would be obvious but I guess you're also in favor of fucking dogs.

>propaganda

I think you misspelled "tastiness"

Meat is calorie-dense, has vitamins and minerals somewhat more difficult to get from plant-based sources, and of course comes with complete proteins, instead of having to blend particular plant foodstuffs in my recipes, or take them together as a powdered isolate.
I am of course all for the reduction of meat from diets, my own included, but it is simply so convenient.

>>715494203
What do the animals intended for consumption eat?

>>715494232
OMG I LOVE vegfag arguments. They're so stupid I can't even laugh. Just feel bad for them.

>>715494272
Well, then you'll have to elaborate on those factors, professor. They do not seem so axiomatic to me.

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>>715492620
also can queer carnivores post? We DO know meat better than you tbh desu

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>>715494360
Aaaaaand rekt.

>inb4 samefag accusations and copious amounts of asshurt

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>>715493976
" In a world where most people die from diet-related heart problems you want to bitch about the individual ethics and economics of one type of food?"

http://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet-

"Moreover vegans always become disgustingly skinny, usually too skinny to still be attractive"

See pic attached, Cam Awesome, the captain of the USA Boxing Team and also a vegan.

>>715494360
lol really? Is that a serious question?

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>>715492741
>I take pictures of my food
>to post online and show others that I eat food

Do you take pictures of your poops too?

>>715494433
Really wish all you disgusting fucking queerosexuals would just go back to Jamaica with a Polack under each arm.

>>715494446
Look at the cute little queer. Talking to the normal people. You see the sun today too? You're sounding kinda adventurous.

>>715494203
Growing THE SAME crop continuously damages the soil, yes. Not in a sustainable way with crop rotation for seasonal food.

>>715494292
I think you misspelled "low levels of self discipline"

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>>715494372
Okay pupil, dogs experience suffering and cannot consent.
Even if your dog is mad hungry for that dick it lacks the understanding to realize what is happening and you have a good chance of emotionally fucking the dog up

>>715493730
Except I didn't say anyone had to do anything only that done do because of that fact, so yeah we can eat what we want and many choose meat, also being biologically designed to eat both does say something I think

So do vegan bitches suck cock or what? I mean I know the guys do. But I'd assume all this vegan anger is because they refuse to put meat in their mouths.

I have canine teeth, you little vegan bitch.

>>715494519
Yes, it's socratic

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>>715494604
>i got btfo so hard that i'm dragging my pink sock across the carpet while i sit here in a soggy tear-ridden impotent rage, unable to think of any sort of counterargument or snappy comeback
>better just call him a name

>>715494446
>using the word 'rekt' in 2016
>cringe.jpg

>>715494760
>ven if your dog is mad hungry for that dick it lacks the understanding to realize what is happening
I wonder to what degree a dog distinguishes a dog dick from a human dick.

http://www.livescience.com/22241-sensor-could-detect-plant-distress-signals.html
Animals are dumb and delicious and they can't do anything about it. Plants hate dying too but everyone eats them.


That said, I could understand not eating pork just because of how smart they can be. They're pretty much big pink dogs.

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>>715492395
>meat industry propaganda
They don't need propaganda as long as they have good meat.

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>>715493602
kek

>>715492395

Humans have binocular vision, canine teeth, opposable thumbs. Everything about our anatomy says Hunt, Kill, Eat animals. Hunting animals and killing them has 0 negative consequences, it's the food chain working as nature intended. I don't hear you crying about Orcas savagely destroying seals.

>>715494728
So you admit that factory farming plants is just as destructive huh? And you think that would change if we weren't feeding animals? You seriously are fucking retarded aren't you? Lets use big letters so you can see them well. THE LAND WOULD JUST BE DESTROYED BY THE PLANT VERSION OF FACTORY FARMING. So what's the difference?

Kill yourself.. that could be more helpful.. ;)

>>715492620
Thats a nice looking ham

>>715494760
How often do you see dogs trying to fuck birds? It's partially instinctual for procreation and recognizing their own species. Sure sometimes dogs hump stuffed animals but that's like masturbation and not willful manipulation of the stuffed toy.

>>715495002

are you blind? It's clearly a brisket.

>>715494862
Shit quoted wrong thing

How often do you see dogs trying to fuck birds? It's partially instinctual for procreation and recognizing their own species. Sure sometimes dogs hump stuffed animals but that's like masturbation and not willful manipulation of the stuffed toy.

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>>715495002
it was an owl you dipshit.

>>715494885
I think the fact that people in this thread are arguing that they NEED meat shows that there is a lot of propaganda

>>715492395
>cucked

liberals get sick of being called shit so they try to reverse it hahahah.

the best is when someone called me a "trump sjw".

kys op

You will never ne alpha.

>>715493146
>I need you in my life, anon

I can't cook for shit
...not allowed to have a bbq where I live either

>>715495179
I voted for Trump and still realize there's no reason to factory farm animals because I'm not a fucking retard

>>715494028
Life is like a hurricane.

>>715494920
Except we live in a society where we no longer need to hunt, the majority of people in the developed world use their "opposable thumbs" and "binocular vision" to pick steaks up from the fridge aisle of Walmart.
>>715494977
Emphasis on 'the same', you're seriously fucking stupid
>>715494994
;)

>>715495175
you don't NEED a billion dollars but wouldn't complain if you were handed a check.

>>715492395
>>715492520
>>715492678


op samefags and gets his thread raped by amazing looking bbq.


lel, what a cuck.

>>715495175
Or that they can't stand the fact that their life choices are in some way wrong or has some negative effect. Bias to keep one's illusion rolling is explanation enough to me, but there is probably some propaganda somewhere.

My way of doing it is this: Eat what you want. I do so too and understand that some of my choices are bad simply because I want the pleasure.

Not often I reply, but how can people believe that eating meat is destructive ? Environmentally yeah probably can't argue that, but I can't really get behind the meat is bad for you thing when sharks, tiger, and other meat eating predator have lived on this planet longer than any of us. Surely it can't be nearly has horrible as you claim.

>>715495179
We're both on 4chan which pretty much shows that neither of us are alpha males.

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>>715495321
>not allowed to have a bbq where I live

what in the fuck?

>>715495330
Baseball, lasers, aeroplanes, it's a duck blur.

>>715495175
I also need a heavy alcohol dosage, vidya and internet in order to live. You enjoy your falafel and i'll enjoy my stuff, to each their own.

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>>715494602
this is a thread about meat tho

queers that eat steers should be allowed. Also if we eat other meat that's fine too.

>>715495175

you don't NEED meat... Technically you don't need "food". You could live off of vitamin/mineral extracts just as long as you get the proper fats, proteins, acids and other stuffs your body needs. All the stuffs that come from animals and plants. One single diet isn't clear cut "the best", that is open to interpretation depending on your body's needs. A big variety is in my opinion the best: Veggies, Fish, Meat, Fruits, I don't eat carbs 'cause they don't agree with me.

>>715495147
Not often. Though I often see them trying to fuck humans. And insofar as I've spent too much time on the internet, I have seen them actually fuck humans.

And uh, before we go in too deep, I'm not actually into fucking dogs, though I'd prefer we go through this line of thought before I go into my reasons for not wanting to fuck dogs.
Y'know, just so we're clear.

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>>715495483
dont say im not alpha anon

>>715495329
You realize that the amount of meat that America consumes its possible for wild life to be existent if everyone hunted? 100s of species would go extinct in the US.

Its the same concept as removing the second amendment. Its not actually possible.

You would see people killing ducks at your local lake and freezing them because it was too expensive to eat meat.

A blackmarket meat industry would form all over the US that would be keeping animals in even worse enviroments.

You are autistic as fuck.

kys.

>>715494510
Meh. I read an article about 10 years ago claiming capsicum could give you cancer. Then another a few years after claiming saliva was a cancer contributer. I don't bother with all that hocus pocus bullshit 'journalism' these days... I have a heart defect from birth anyway, I'll be lucky to see 50 no matter what I do.

Also, that dude does all the training any high-level boxer does. He probably takes all the supplements, too. Whether your protein powder comes from animal or vegetable, I can't see how it makes a huge difference to anything except price... vegan supplements cost like 3 times more.

>>715495468
I'll move past the fact that you answered your own question by understanding the environmental impact but also predator's bodies and digestive systems are completely different because they evolved as predators.

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>>715495666
nice trips but you are a gay. you aint got games

I never understood the militant vegetarian. It's so not threatening. What are you going to do, whine and cry us to death?

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>>715495793
>they evolved as predators
>humans didn't

>>715495400
If that billion dollar was going to destroy the planet, yes I would turn it down.
>>715495442
I understand that, started this thread as a genuine discussion and knew the only way to get any kind of response was to be slightly controversial. I was the same for a while and tried to make small changes to justify still eating meat (Vegan before 6, cut out direct dairy and eggs etc.) but eventually couldn't justify it anymore.
>>715495468
I can't deny that in history, meat probably had a positive effect of civilisation. But for the average person it's not necessary or sustainable. If there was a starving African who somehow had the chance to eat meat I wouldn't see that as a problem as it is down to survival, but for your average Western society we have the chance to take informed decisions about our diet and lifestyle which should be valued.

>>715492395
>How do you justify your animal-product consumption

Bacon tastes good.

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>>715495774
>Then another a few years after claiming saliva was a cancer contributor
Reminds me of a line from Carlin
>Scientists have discovered that saliva causes cancer! But only if swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time!

>>715495499
My apartment complex. They say it's a fire hazard to have a bbq on the balcony or anywhere.

It's not the first place I lived that had this rule. My last apartment complex had the same rule... I had one neighbor who bought a tiny charcoal bbq, they used to carry it just outside the property to the sidewalk and cook there all the time lol.

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>>715495400
>implying a liberal wouldn't find something to complain about

>>715495376

which is why you cannot self sustain if shit was to hit the fan. Practicing hunting techniques is imperative to keep your reaction timing and critical thinking fresh as a human. I'm just glad my grandfather taught me how to set traps and shoot guns and bows. Food caught in the wild tastes way better than that week to 2 week old shit we buy in the grocery store. Have fun eating your shitty food never knowing what real food tastes like.

>>715493563
and then we all get to watch the videos of pigs being slaughtered from a helicopter with a mounted machine gun, fuck yea Texas.

>>715493568
>>715493671
>>715493833
if i'm bein honest, m8s, i only came here for the holocaust joke. but if I'm being super honest, I think it's funny as fuck when one enslaved species gets more butthurt about another species' oppression than their own

>>715492395
You think you are better than us because you are to stupid to enjoy savory, succulent flesh?

>>715496070
I mostly just drink milk when it comes to diary, but I can't see myself cutting off meat. I would probably care more about where it came from and vote with my pocket when I can afford that action, but that would probably be all.

>>715493979
If the person died of natural causes, and consented before death, then whatever

>>715495744
>You realize that the amount of meat that America consumes its possible for wild life to be existent if everyone hunted? 100s of species would go extinct in the US.
That's not the case if less people ate meat. If hunting was the only way to get it and we regulated based on animal population, people would be much less inclined to actually get off the couch and do it

>Its the same concept as removing the second amendment. Its not actually possible.
Making the decision to stop contributing to a horrifying practice is entirely possible

>You would see people killing ducks at your local lake and freezing them because it was too expensive to eat meat.
People already kill and eat ducks, they exist in other places besides the local park, nobody would be hunting in local parks

>A blackmarket meat industry would form all over the US that would be keeping animals in even worse enviroments.
I never advocated it be illegalized, I advocate people stop voting for these practices with their dollar

>You are autistic as fuck.
nah

>>715492395
vegans have stinky farts and shit. literally smells like baby shit.

>>715494360
What do vegans feed their dogs and cats?

>>715496526
Their tears.

>>715496004
You think humans evolved as predators? lmfao
Do you think monkeys are also predators? Holy shit

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>>715496261
fuck you

sniff my asshole

>>715494802
Murder and rape exist in the natural world, but we're civilized.
Civilization implies a movement away and above nature.

>>715496281
How many animals are systematically oppressing humans? Please I'm very curious

>>715496401
Do animals consent?
>>715496526
I'll be honest, I try to feed my pets a vegan diet but cats need taurine or they go blind so if I can't find fortified food I have to put my own beliefs aside.

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>>715492395
Why do these alt-left nu male turbocucks fall for this obvious jewry to make white men into twinks? You faggots need to pull those nigger dicks out of your mouths and have a fucking steak.

>>715496401
There's some cultures where eating dead relatives is considered pretty normal.
Most of those cultures are still puzzling out the wheel, but they're doing ok for themselves.

>>715496466
>That's not the case if less people ate meat. If hunting was the only way to get it and we regulated based on animal population, people would be much less inclined to actually get off the couch and do it

america would never go through with that though, there are too many hungry, obese flubbs who would die without their processed meat paste. and that's lost revenue, muh boi

>>715496466
>That's not the case if less people ate meat
go and walk on live tv and say "hey guys, dont eat so much meat, thanks for listening" you think anything would happen. its true we eat too much, but it isn't changing you autismo.

>Making the decision to stop contributing to a horrifying practice is entirely possible

It will never happen. The only way to make it happen would be to genetically engineer meat or start to outlaw slaughter for specific animals every decade. it would take 100 years, it will never happen though so i won't theory it.


>People already kill and eat ducks, they exist in other places besides the local park, nobody would be hunting in local parks
Yes they would, populations would shrink so hard. Why would anyone go hunt for 10 hours to find 2-3 ducks when they could just go to the park with a BB gun and kill 10 in less than a hour. They cant buy chicken, and ducks are free at the local partk. Autismo.

>I never advocated it be illegalized, I advocate people stop voting for these practices with their dollar

so you want to stop it but not make it illegal. lol ur retarded. gl in life, you will need it.

>nah
yeh

>Damaging the environment at an alarming rate

The environment created me, so it cannot be "damaged" by its own creation, merely changed, and that change is an expression of the "environment" of which all is part and to which there is no other.

>Un-ethical treatment of species
Ethics are an invention. They are imaginary. I'm not obliged to obey the imaginary constructs of others.

>Damaging to health
Not mine, nor that of the many omnivores in nature.

Nature made me omnivore. Nature made my incisors. IDGAF about OP. I exist as I am made, I savor what pleases me, and all life is transient so attempting immortality is a waste of my time.

Power needs no justification. Does the shark plead before a court before devouring small fish? No, for it need not.

If vegans want to stop me, they are welcome to try. I will kill them in lawful self defense if they attack me. I have the rights of nature conferred by tooth and claw.

>>715496952
I agree with this, but it's not an argument for the rationality of eating meat

>>715492395
>cucked
I can't wait for this word to stop being used. It's worse than people saying lawl or Yolo. It's worse than having explosive diarrhea and massive hemorrhoids. It's worse than sneezing and shitting your pants on a date with the girl of your dreams. Worst part is how people just disregard and meaning behind it and use it so loosely it has no meaning anymore. I guess it's just easier to mimic anything people read on the Internet than to have any tangible personality or thought process.

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>>715492395

I like meat.

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>>715496759
all of them, dude, i've got both my cat and my goldfish calling me cracker

>>715496994
So you're denying global warming? Wow, you're dumb.

>>715497201
asians trying to look more like americans.

>>715496806
I would not suggest forcing animals away from their natural diets, especially cats.
If you want a pet that can follow your diet, get a bunny or a turtle.

>>715497264
men call it the weather.

go to bed kid.

>>715497264
why are you bring climate into a debate about animal processing? Wow, you're dumb.

>inb4 cow farts

>>715496806
I read an article about a woman being prosecuted for animal abuse, because she had several cats and forced them to eat a vegan diet like her, claiming the cats "don't need meat" just like humans "don't need meat". Well some of the cats died, and the others were severely underweight and ill. She is facing jail time and a fat fine

>>715496622
Monkeys and apes are oppurtunistic. Many will take a bird or a lizard if they can get them.
There's also documented evidence of chimps both eating carrion and actively hunting live prey.

So yeah... not every monkey or ape is a hunter, but they're very capable of it.

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>>715497264
why are you bring climate into a debate about animal processing? Wow, you're dumb.

>inb4 cow farts

>>715496968
You're incapable of being intellectually charitable and it really makes you come off as a legitimate, non-ironic retard.
You concede that we eat too much meat then move the goalposts to people are gonna do it anyways, I wasn't arguing against that.

>Thinking fatties and lazy narcissistic idiots are going to start exterminating animals if factory farms are no longer profitable.
lmfao

You admit you don't make decisions for yourself, you let the law determine ethical standards for you. That's the height of autism

>>715497238
How exactly did I miss the point? You said humans are more concerned with who they oppress than being oppressed so I asked which animals we're being oppressed by?

>>715497635
>That's the height of autism
?

really?

all this time i thought it was taking 4chan seriously at any point and trying to have a legitimate argument with someone on /b/

who wudda thunk it?

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>>715494602
fucking lel

>>715497563
Wholeheartedly agree, monkeys eat meat when they can, when you live in the wild you need any nutrient source you can get, chickens eat meat too.
But they are not predators

>>715497528
>>715497593
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/dec/03/eating-less-meat-curb-climate-change

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If we all just started eating vegans, this wouldn't be an issue anymore

>>715497635
>implying humans are ethical by nature

We adapt to environment for our survival. Sometimes ethical choices arn't the best ones for man kind. The only thing i could throw into this that is benefiting you is that growth hormones need to be taken out of the industry.

>You admit you don't make decisions for yourself, you let the law determine ethical standards for you. That's the height of autism

My decisions are based off theorizing reasonable solutions nigger. There is no reasonable solution to end slaughter and animal processing.

>Damaging to health
so is taking a dick up the ass but you are 100% okay with it.

>Damaging the environment at an alarming rate

Chinas polution is x10 worse than ours and it has less than 15% of the animal processing we do. Its factories and vehicles that cause that shit, not killing cows you autistic fuck

>Un-ethical treatment of species
cry more, life isn't fair. bacon tastes good.

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>>715495468
Sharks, tigers, bears, etc. don't have the capacity to farm billions of animals every year. Even the United Nations is trying to decrease the massive amounts of meat eating by calling for a "meat tax" because the agriculture of animals is ruining the environment. The whole "plant farming is just as bad" is just ridiculous. Plant farming causes issues as well, but not nearly at the same level. In fact, MOST of the corn and some other plants we farm actually goes to keeping up the animals. Just read how much water/resources it takes to make 100 calories of different vegetables vs. 100 calories of meat. It's ridiculous!

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>>715497730
What if I told you that all humans are being oppressed by.. other humans?

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>>715494510

While excessive animal fat intake is certainly a contributing factor for heart disease the primary factor is overwhelmingly simple and common to every type of food: salt. Salt is in virtually every food because salt makes food taste good. Even having the choice to eat good tasting food, whereas your ancestors didn't, is ultimately the cause of heart disease. If you were a cat you could eat as much animal fat as you liked and all it would do is make you a happy kitty with a shiny coat, cats even have a taste receptor specific to fat. Moreover there seems to be marked racial differences, white people in particular are the most resistant to animal fat because of the conditions they lived in - animals don't freeze so long as you keep them out of the wind and put some grain in them. This is why southern blacks eating fried food almost uniformly suffer from hypertension and why Samoans, people from an island where they ate root paste to survive, balloon up to a ridiculous size the fucking second they eat any animal fat. Fat was so hard to come by in their natural environment their body wants to store every bit it can. A white vegan is the most ridiculous thing, a wolf pretending it's a sheep out of new age vanity.

So eat your damn steak, kid. Just go easy on the salt.

>>715498025
>theguardian

go link to to salon and huffpost too cuck, i hope you find yourself in a conversion camp soon.

Because im not a little bitch?

>>715498213
>Sharks, tigers, bears, etc. don't have the capacity to farm billions of animals every year

they are not grossly over populated and have no sense of monetary gain, you have to be trolling or are just that fucking stupid.

>>715494834
>no real response possible
>unrelated insult

kys nigger

>>715498275
fucking thank you for this, you just saved my heart from mummification

>>715498275
I'm not OP, but I would not argue that eating meat is UNHEALTHY. Meat eating is simply necessary. Yes, I believe we evolved to be omnivores, but we also evolved to have max lifespans of ~40. What I do argue is that meat eaters are unnecessarily causing harm to animals and the environment, and even top scientists/organizations recognize it. Americans are problematically eating meat at much too rapid of a pace, and "I like the taste and it's convenient" is no longer justifiable. It's simply selfish.

>>715498925
I did respond...>>715494728

>>715498546
http://animalstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&context=acwp_faafp
There's another source instead. Newspaper articles are more accesible so I'd rather link them but since you only like having a confirmation bias, read that instead.

We just need a giant raft and put all the ops on it and push it to europe.

fuk europe, so damn op

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Implying animals aren't just extremely processed grass/seed/wheat whatever they eat, theyre born, they eat grass and shit, they process that grass into bone/muscle etc then we fucking eat them
Animals are vegetables you cunt

>>715492395

don't have the time to graze all day, not a trust fund baby. i do what my ancestors do and eat a diet that efficiently keeps me energised all day to do my job. the best recipes in the world are built around it, so it's tasty as a side-effect.

nature gets fucked by human terraforming, the meat industry is a disaster and needs reform, same as most other agricultural industries. it's not my job to do that, we elect people for that.

>>715498161
The meat industry is necessary for human survival? How am I alive? I'd argue that for us to adapt to our current environment it would be largely beneficial to transition to a plant based diet.

>There is no reasonable solution to end slaughter and animal processing.
Spreading reasonable information that it's not necessary and is a detriment to society will eventually snowball until the industry reforms, you can already see it happening in the last few years

>so is taking a dick up the ass but you are 100% okay with it.
Never argued for the negative health effects but if you want to go there, and assuming I take dicks all day, those dicks weren't bred purely for my one time enjoyment at the cost of their suffering and lives, that's the difference

>Chinas polution is x10 worse
Didn't make this point either.
So you deny that factory farming is a considerable source of greenhouse gasses?

>cry more, life isn't fair.
lern2ethics m80 when you're the one making the choice to do something the argument that life isn't fair doesn't work, you made the choice

>>715499073
I meant meat eating is simply UNNECESSARY. ha.

>>715492395

I shoot and eat my own animals, bitch.

>im a slave to the system

u wot m8

Do you know how big is the universe ? Why i should take care of little things.

You are tipping on the internet because your bonobos ancestors eated meat and veggs.

>>715499384
>Never argued for the negative health effects but if you want to go there, and assuming I take dicks all day, those dicks weren't bred purely for my one time enjoyment at the cost of their suffering and lives, that's the difference

this sums up op.

>>715492395
>Vegan calling anyone a "cuck"

Kek.

>>715499443
You're also lying hoping that anons will circle-jerk you

>>715499525
Completely straight, just following anon's dumbass line of logic instead of letting the cuck red herring me

there's nothing more delicious on planet earth than red meat
i don't give a fuck about you or future generations, i'll eat whatever the fuck i want

>>715492395
i'd honestly rather we get nuked by the koreans than be a fucking vegan

>>715499350
Yeah... dude, not everyone works the same way, that I understand... but most people are MORE energized after switching to a vegan diet (if it's a well-thought out one). Some people have an adjustment period that leaves them feeling weird for a couple of weeks. One thing that IS an issue is the planning. Once you've got a good idea of what you need to eat to get the proper nutrients, it doesn't take any more time than eating meat (in fact, a lot of it is quicker since I don't have to cook everything).

>>715499619
nah bruh you'll eat whatever people tell you is acceptable to eat

>>715499771
no nigger
people hate when you say you eat dog
i eat dog

>>715499899
don't you have some nails to manicure?
get outta here ya fukkin chink