Obama's birth Certificate has been declared fake by the

When Trump becomes president, he can unseal all the records Obama sealed.
We can get real birth certificates, passports, foreign student visa's, college records, etc.
Why do you think the Left is trying so hard to overthrow the election process?

"4labs"

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>>715422744

>>715422316
people like you are what's fucking wrong with this country

>>715422316
Nice fake news. Meanwhile, Trump's wife is illegal and his son is autistic.

>>715423644
Gotta have one Tard in this thread.

Welcome, Tard.

>>715423744
>>715423644
>>715422744

>>715423821
yeah we do, you should have quoted yourself dumbass

>>715422316
Who cares?

>>715423994
lol WHAT?! haha

>>715422744
>left
Wasn't the entire elector revolt shit started by a Texas Republican Christian Conservative with a super thick country accent? Pretty sure it was.

>>715423744
Also Trump can't read.

>>715424059
idk but anyways OP post is fake news, that's all that matters

>>715424225
Not OP but no it isn't

>>715424294
but it is, none of the sources are credible

After the Democrats were all "voting fraud doesnt exist" only to flip their opinion right over to "cereal guys voter fraud is rampantz"...

...I mean I dont want to say the pattern is obvious, but dont be surprised when democrats are calling Obama a piece of shit con man in one or two months.

>>715423744
>USA TODAY
>"fake news"

Ok there bud make sure you take your medicine

>>715424225

Thank you for correcting the record.

>>715424396
USAtoday isn't credible? Lol o

>>715424466
no news is credible when republicunts run it all

>>715422316
any legit sources on this?

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>>715424225
Man do you even know what USA TODAY is?
Its sold in fucking newspaper boxes you dumb asses

>>715424396

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>>715424594
USA TODAY isn't ran by republicans its by partisan

>>715424741
We appreciate your effort

>>715424741
that's what they say

>>715424625
Last time I checked ABC news had a News channel on TV. What's not credible about it?

>>715422316
if that's true, this article sure does make Trump look like a fool.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/16/trump-clinton-trade-barbs-over-obama-birther-movement.html

>>715424850
>>715424871

Well then gentlemen if you're very fine and dandy. What about the video link that has a Press Conference with the Sheriff's department?

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>>715424594
>Republicans run the media
>media was tearing Trump a new asshole over anything they could find
Nigga you are giving me a fucking headache

>>715424642
so is the national enquirer lol

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>>715424225

>>715424947
Well I guess this is one of those situations where you must concede or else you may lose more votes. Strangely however it turned out he was right.

>>715425197
if you'd pay attention at all, even republicans hate trump

>>715422316
These findings and this investigation should be confirmed valid by peers before any definite conclusion. Pretty fucking interesting nonetheless.

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>this thread
>posted by clinton campaign bot

>>715422316
one sheriff department declaring it fake hardly proves anything

>>715422744
Maybe we'all also get to see his taxes

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>>715422316
Upon inauguration, Trump must arrest Obama while this madness is sorted out.

>>715425351
he? anon if you read the article you'd know clinton was responsible for the birther stuff. mr. trump said so.

>>715425382
Bruh none of this is about Trump. This is about a 5 year investigation on whether or not Obama's birth Certificate was real. In which case they found it was not.

>>715425723
One police department says that it's fake, while the supreme government said that it was real… Who is to be believed?

>>715425661
Yeah I know she was responsible for it I'm well aware. I'm talking about when he did that speech on how Obama was "Born in the U.S. period." and how he conceded that he no longer supports the movement. I think I must've misread your previous comment?

>>715425876
supreme court*

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>>715422316
hostile takeover mission accomplished.

>>715425876
The U.S. Government did not do a investigation on the Birth Certificate. By saying "The Supreme Government said it was real." you are making a claim in which the supreme government actually investigated it. Even though they didn't.

>>715425876
One SHERIFF's department run by a retard whose department is constantly being found to be treating people unconstitutionally and is facing numerous corruption and contempt of court charges and finally being voted out of office after being really fucking shitty at his job for the last 25 years.
And now he's just trying to stir shit up on his way out the door.

>>715426052
My previous comment.

>>715426187
Are you high? The supreme court did no investigation on it.

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>>715424642
You Morons do realize that USA Today came out and said Trump wasn't fit to be POTUS right? That they endorsed shillary right? USA Today is the equivalent to the sun.uk which is right above dog shit.

>>715426187
The Republican governor of Hawaii investigated it and declared it real.

>>715426320
those are both true statements

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>>715422316

>>715426324
>The Republican governor of Hawaii investigated it and declared it real.

WOW SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT SHILLED FOR THE PRESIDENT? WOOOOW WHODA THUNK IT?

>>715425876
The supreme Court didn't do a 5 year investigation.

>>715426434
Are you really this retarded to continue to believe the Birther bullshit or do you have to practice?

>>715426434
is shill your only insult?

grow up kid

>>715426271
If you would have paid attention to the case. You would see that the head Sheriff did no meddling in the investigation. In fact all he did was hand it over to several organizations that studied the document and found that it had 9 fallacies on it.

>>715426505
whatever you say CIA ;^)

>>715426540
lol triggered libshit

>>715426320
Exactly.

>Maricopa County Police Department

Sounds like some random retards are sperging out over irrelevant things

>But Obamer is a mooslim gosh darn it!

Kys

>>715422316

>Joe Arpaio

this nigga just mad he didn't get re-elected

>>715426403
>>715426540
>>715426711

Man I thought there was going to be a drought this year. But the land seems fertile with all these Liberal tears.

>Do you guys even watch the evidence or look at the sources?

Or do you guys munch on dicks all day long while telling yourselves that Obama was a good "President"

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>>715424202
> Yet he can type wicked tweets!

The man is truely a wizard

>>715427000
As much as I like your Trips I disagree. This case started 5 YEARS ago. I doubt he would have any idea on his election results.

>>715426320
>You Morons do realize that USA Today came out and said Trump wasn't fit to be POTUS right?

So they have a liberal bias and still thought it was fit to print? tip top kek

What authority does an AZ sheriff have to do this? Why would he bother with this?

It reads like less a probe and more "let's play FBI" on the part of the Maricopa County PD

>>715422316

His mother was a US citizen, which makes him a US citizen by birth, no matter where on the planet he was born. Will everyone please stop being stupid?

>>715427785
> Outraged about Obama being born elsewhere
> Silent about Cruz's Canadian birth

Proof that the birther shit was racially biased from the start

Trump should put hillary and obama in a jail cell together.

>what would happen?

>>715422316
>Joe Arpaio
k

>>715427908
I believe I have seen many people shit on Cruz for being a fucking leaf before

King Nigger is just unbearable :^)

>>715427089
"Maricopa County Supervisor Steve Gallardo, a longtime Arpaio critic, said the investigation was a publicity stunt to raise the sheriff’s national political profile and bring in campaign dollars."

"Arizona's Sheriff Joe Arpaio officially charged with criminal contempt-of-court for ignoring a judge’s order in a racial-profiling case October 25 2016"

Source is CBS. Don't listen to them if you hate them though, you can find these same stories without CBS News. He has a history of being a rabble rouser.

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>>715427330

doesnt make Arpaio any less of a scumbag

>>715427698
Originally it was funded by 250 citizens. The Sheriff's Department decided to take the case and they got continuous financial support for 5 years. They used the money to contact 4labs which is a respected forensics organization that trains Law enforcement in the EU. After their investigation they also gave it to two Forensic investigators. Its all in the video above first 7 min of it they explain the process better than I do.

>>715427785
Haha nice bait m8 i'll bite.

If I'm born in Mexico and my parents are U.S. citizens I'm not automatically a U.S. citizen you retard.

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>>715428219
I never agreed on his character. I was just disagreeing with your illogical fallacy.

>>715428035
Cruz isn't potus either.

>>715428413
Technically correct, as there is paperwork that you need to file, but otherwise yes, you're a citizen. Your parents can return to the US and obtain a US birth cert for you based on the fact that they themselves are citizens and you are, too, by extension.

>>715424418
>"Joe Arpaio says"

^That's literally the story.

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>>715423744

>>715428413

Actually you are, you fucking retard. You'd be known as a Natural Born Citizen. Look it up. It's the same reason Ted Cruz was able to run for president even though he was born in Canada.

>>715428240
My point was, though, that a sheriff's department is spending time on a matter that is far beyond their scope, whether it was privately funded or not. You can't (or at least shouldn't) "take a case" that is beyond your PD's authority just because people want you to. I could convince the NYPD to look into the Zodiac Killer but Ted Cruz doesn't even reside in New York, so why would they? Why should they?

>>715428772
>>715428413
Yeah the point is that Cruz got very little flak from the RNC for being born on foreign soil, and didn't even try to hide it. It's a known fact that he was not born in the US. Yet there's specious evidence that Obama was not born in the US, and it has people up in arms.

>>715428604
I'm not technically a Citizen until I receive the paperwork. The thing at question here is that Obama's Birth Certificate had 9 fallacies in it. Which concluded the Investigation thinking that it's forged. I'm not claiming that he was born in the U.S. I'm simply saying what the evidence shows. Which is the Certificate is not real.

>>715428772
>>715429003

He makes the point that I'm trying to convey to you without triggering you.

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>>715422316
> Joe Arpaio

That idiot fascist hasn't been jailed yet?

>>715429160
>hahahha le memes prove that im superior

>>715424396
no sources are ever credible eh? this is what faggots say when they don't wanna accept something.
> Your comment isn't credible

>>715429433
It's because they're to scared to take the red pill.

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>>715429160
Careful not to get dorito dust on your fedora.

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>>715428536

Illogical fallacy?

Meh maybe - I ain't gonna read all this shit cause in the end who the fuck care? But a five year investigation for the validity of a birth certificate? Coming from a sheriff and part of the country that is reputable for it's racism and scapegoating of illegal immigrants?

Congrats Joe, sounds like you're four years to late.

Enjoy being an asshole in retirement

>>715429033
tbh I wouldn't be surprised if there was poor recordkeeping in 1961. I work in the govt now and it's pretty atrocious

>>715430001
Holy fuck what are you doing to my PC? I CAN SEE YOUR BLUE HAIR COMING OUT FROM THE EDGE OF THE SCREEN! Listen bro let's chill I mean lets stop talking facts and start talking feelings. Anyhow doesn't matter that Joe is late. If this goes on to a higher and him being guilty then he'll most likely go to jail. I hope when you grow up kid you spend less time shit posting and more time reading.

>>715430014
There's always things we can improve on.

>>715427243
He's stated he doesn't usually tweet himself. He just yells it out and a secretary or someone else does it for him.

Anyone who believes birther non sense should be lumped in with flat earthers

>>715430456

>lets chill

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>>715427089
>he thinks moderates believe Obama birther shit

>>715426813
It amazes me that people believe they can treat the intelligence agencies of the US as "conspiracy theorists" but these same people often believe Pizzagate and Birther

>>715428413
That's actually true for a lot of places.

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>>715422744
Nothing to do with your statement but just fyi.

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>>715431965
that's true

>>715431803
>let an image get jpeg to fuck and back.
>Then save it as a .png

why

>>715422744
Hah, Trump already has the records. Putin gave them to him after Flynn made contact through their jihadist friends in Afghanistan. Why do you think Trump wanted to become President so bad anyways? It's because he's been trafficking in young boys in India to get his properties permissions gone through and Hillary's hitmen were almost onto him. We're just seeing the tip of the iceberg. This is what they really cashed in Patreus for, pedophilia, but it was too embarrassing to have such a prominent administration official fucking young kids. All you dupes and cucks blowing up on "pizzagate" like it was Hillary's thing and not the Dems circling round the Rethuglican operation have the wool over your eyes. Why do you think all of Trump's cabinet are rich white guys? They're all lining up for their own personal brown boy, free and clear thanks to the Trump Express.

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ma numbers

>>715432193

truth is so beautiful.

>>715432839
Trump did rape that 13 yr old and is a close friend of jeff epstein so I'm not surprised.

>>715432622
to png jpg fags

joe arpaio is a fucking retard do you have real evidence? or are republicans being sore losers about an election from 8 years ago?

>>715433531
what's wrong with fucking a13 yo?

>>715432193
>>mythbusters quality "experiment"
>>truth

thats not science kiddos

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>>715424741

>>715433597
just look around you, to see all the sore losers

>>715422316
If you get your news from 4chan, Facebook, or The Donald shame on you.

>>715433701
it's more scientific than saying jet fuel can't melt steel beams

>>715433828
>The Donald
you forgot to say CNN or MSNBC

>>715424741
>by partisan

>>715434048
>defending reddit

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The left is going to try everything they can to overthrow this election. They have been caught on all fronts and the AMERICAN people know this. WE WILL NOT LET THE GLOBALIST ELITES TAKE US OVER!

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>>715422744
pizzagate

>>715434694
You know that Rex Tillerson is an avowed globalist and elite?

>>715435427
Elite yes, childraping elite, no?

But overall i agree with you unless i am showed evidence otherwise.

>>715434694
Dude, Trump's a motherfucking billionaire. He's the fucking DEFINITION of a "globalist elite."

He comes into your town, promises you a hot meal, your sister fucks him, he kills your dad, and then he goes home to molest his daughter in exchange for the trust fund.

It's like electing Snoop Dog to police rap music and pants around your ankles, because he told you he's a nice sober white guy A LOT OF TIMES. Just because he said it doesn't make it true. Has he elected plumbers to his cabinet? Fuck no, just more billionaires and people with billionaire dick in their mouths.

I'm speculating but he may have been born in the phillipines

>>715435697
I mean people hate elites either way. Child raping doesn't factor much into it

>“We must embrace the free flow of energy, capital and human talent across oceans and borders.” -Rex Tillerson
Also a big supporter of NAFTA and TPP

>>715435722
He is definitely not a globalist.

Has he elected plumbers ? You're being a little dramatic huh?

>>715435926
I dont support the Rex Tillerson pick, ive already said that. I wonder what the thinking was behind it.

>>715422316
>Maricopa County
>Former Sheriff Joe Arpaio

Taking his word about a Democratic president as fact is like believing that kid with downs syndrome when he says the sky's not blue because his favorite flavor of jello is red.

Move along people it's just Red vs Blue business as usual.

>>715435722
He even fucking admitted he is a liar

on Drain the swamp.

>"Funny how that term caught on, isn't it? I hated it! Someone said drain the swamp and I thought 'that's so hokey. That is so terrible.' So I said 'alright I'll try it'. So like a month ago I said 'Drain the swamp', place went crazy. Then I said it again. Then I begin saying it like I meant it, right? Then I started liking it. Drain the swamp. It's true"

Literal admission that drain the swamp was a lie.

>>715428726
^
>>715436178
^

Joe Arpaio is expert about Obama like Hitler is an expert about Judaism.

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>>715425651
Let's do it, boys.

>>715435991
He's an oil guy and it has become evident from Trumps picks that he wishes to deregulate all business. Tillerson is one of the least Trumpian choices, but I'd assume him being a Putin friend was also a big reason Trump likes him.

I'd say he'd never make it through senate conformation but the GOP is utterly toothless against Trump. Mccain and Graham talk big talk about Russia but will almost certainly fold, which will make things look worse in half of Americas eyes as it's hard to get over a "friend of Putins" being made our top diplomat at a time where it has been confirmed Russia hacked the US.

>country commits act of war on you
>turn around and appoint a fan of that country as top diplomat

>>715436178
so don't take his word, look at the evidence hes providing, how stupid do you have to be to not see that you're participating in the "red vs blue" when you won't even look at the evidence because it doesn't fit your blue narrative. how unironically business as usual for you.

and btw, the sky isn't blue, its clear

>>715424037
do you think its appropriate for someone to make a forged document so they qualify to become president of the united states? Committing a federal crime to achieve the highest office, is okay with you?

I didn't know people were this stupid.

>>715435941
I mean he did pick a globalist to be our chief foreign policy leader

You know Trump does not believe 90% of the shit he says and only says what he thinks his current audience wants to hear? That's why he suddenly brought back up all his classic promises at his nazi rally tonight, even though he recently walked them back and abandoned most of them.

He tells the interviewers he's not gonna do it, because the people watching the news are nervous about it. He tells his supporters at rallies the exact opposite because that's what gets them fired up. The issue is that people who watch news can still see what he says at his rally.

>>715424131
Look at his twitter, and tell me he isn't the typical sjw

>>715436435
I'd rank it as slightly below being complacent and defending a foreign enemy committing an act of war on the country you are now sworn to protect

>>715424037
>who cares if the Clinton foundation has a high possibility of having their hands deep in a child sex ring.
>who cares if a man falsified a birth certificate to lie his way into one of the most powerful and respected positions in all of America
The left really don't care unless its something that hurts someones weak-ass feelings.

>>715436481
The guy who started it? He's a republican, and his issues he raised about why Trump is not qualified had little to do with his campaign rhetoric and everything to do with him bumbling around like a blind child since he was elected.

>>715436570
>cares about clinton foundation being involved in a local sex ring in DC
>does not care about the president being involved in foreign interests against the US and its ideals

Clinton fucking kids doesn't do anything to you. The president massively changing US policy to ensure that another world leader doesn't retaliate and hurt his hotels in that country, will have a pretty big effect on you.

>>715436391
I read the fucking article. All it says is he had a press conference, said "look at these 9 things". "These 9 things were copied from other birth certificates".

Guess what, my birth certificate looks identical to 90% of the people who were born in my state during my birth year. It's a fucking government document, they all look alike. There was literally no images/specific examples of forgery or his "evidence" on that article. just him saying "These 9 stamps/dates/numbers/letters look identical to things i've seen on other Hawaii birth certificates.

>Read your own article.

>>715422316
Sheriff Joe Arpaio's wikipedia page looks like a whiny regressive lefty wrote it.

>>715429003
Because obviously no black man could really be an american.

>>715436435
He is out in a little over 20 days. Unless you have a time machine, anything you found would be pointless now.

>>715436685
An Italian forensics agency found it to be a forged document, found the document from which it was forged.

Science is hard work, someone has to do it.

>>715436693
That's how it should be. If you are not a white christian you should be forced to revoke your own citizenship/not given one

>>715435941
How many Goldman Sachs execs are going to serve in his cabinet? How many Exxon execs? Big mining? Yep, there too.

Hillary would have been just as bad, but I'm not seeing how Trump's not a globalist. Is he a billionaire? Check. Does he hang out with all the other billionaires? Yep. Does he fuck underage models and young boys? Check.

Do you own a plane? Or a couple of hotels in other countries where you're now going to make motherfucking bank exploiting the shit out your awesome political position? Because that's what fucking global elites look like - just because they rubbed your tummy and told you they were going to kiss your balls does not in any way mean they're going to. Ever. They're out for themselves and each other, and Trump's just hijacked everyone's shit for the biggest heist in history.

>>715436766
>How many Goldman Sachs execs are going to serve in his cabinet? How many Exxon execs? Big mining? Yep, there too

So... you think some social justice warriors and civil rights "experts" should be working in the white house? maybe some 99 percenters? perhaps some muslims or communist party USAers?

Are you stoned or just stupid?

>>715436751
This reads like a sitcom, what did the Bangladeshi forensics technicians say about it? Did they find curry stains on the birth certificate?

>>715436921
>So... you think some social justice warriors and civil rights "experts" should be working in the white house? maybe some 99 percenters? perhaps some muslims or communist party USAers?
>Are you stoned or just stupid?
Strawman argument. I know why you left /pol to bring your shit talk here, it's not fun when anyone who knows more than you do ruins your undeniable logic party.

>>715436751
The Italians will tell you what anyone with money wants them to. They're the fucking niggers of Europe, just barely above Greeks and Spaniards. Fucking assholes couldn't even keep the finest nation in history running thanks to race mixing, and now they're just a bunch of degenerate mongrels exploiting people looking at their ruins and trying to keep Pope going off the wagon.

>>715436921
Yes. Having someone who understands civil rights should be a law.

>religion somehow disqualifying someone from employment
lel

>>715422744
Who gives a flying fuck. Would you honestly not rather see the President Elect's tax returns - you know, like we have for every fucking president for ages? To see if he's all he's puffed himself up to be? The fact that he keeps hiding them, with the flimsy excuse of "I'm being audited!" which doesn't prevent you from releasing your tax returns, would make you people tear your eyes out in fury, had Trump been on the left.

>>715436933
Why did Obama decide to release a birth certificate in 2011? (elected in 2008)

Doesn't this seem curious?

>>715422316
america was stolen from indians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP1pXVcBC58

>>715436995
>Strawman argument.

It was a serious question dipshit. No strawman. WHO do you think should be working?

Dear OP.

Come to /pol/

Try to win an argument without

>Strawman
>Red Herring
>Slippery Slope
>Ad Hominem
>Tu Quoque

Seriously if it was one logical fallacy i'd let it go but every single thing anyone argues in this thread is in some way fallacious.

>>715422316

His home also got shat of by the Japanese

>>715437027
It's the conflicts. If he released them, it'd show that every choice he is making is business based and not based on the welfare of the country. People would get upset if they knew, for instance, that Trump wants to support Deurte's genocide campaign is because a Trump tower is being constructed the Phillipines, and being hard on Deurte might result in him shutting down the project and harming Trumps company.

This is only more blatant since Deurte appointed a Trump company employee as ambassador to the US

But no one covers that. Too busy obsessing over pizza places

>>715437124
>america was stolen from indians

Yes, and the Europeans demanded that the Indians give them shelter, food, housing, health care an lots of tendies.

go kill yourself.

>>715436921
So you think you're being represented by the guy who's never had less than several million dollars to his name, because he told you he was "just like you?" What, a rich guy in a hairpiece can't lie? Because that's what he did. He lied his ass off, he's laughing at everyone, and he's lining up all the other rich people to get their dick sucked before they get to the hard work of shitting on all the sad cucks who decided to go full SJW on the SJW's to prove they were big men, and inadvertantly figured out the way to take the biggest dicking in history up their assholes.

It's no wonder the SJWs call you faggots pathetic, it's because you are.

>>715434694
>WE WILL NOT LET THE GLOBALIST ELITES TAKE US OVER
You seem to have typed "NOT" in error.

>>715437090
>Doesn't this seem curious?
Sure, I'll bite, but why does he have to show his birth certificate when no other president in history ever had to show theirs?

>>715437153
>WHO do you think should be working?
Loaded Question
Burden of Proof

I'm going to only respond to your questions/comments when they're not fallacies. When they are, i'll name them.

>>715437027
when Harry Reid claimed that Mitt Romney had NEVER paid taxes he knew it was bullshit. He said "the end justified the means"..

Mitt Romney had paid over 12 million in taxes.

This is what the regressive lefty tards do. This is how they insult intelligence.

>>715437090
Doesn't it seem curious that trump wont release his tax returns? every president ever has released theirs.

>>715437153
People with experience in those divisions or fields, who do not have opinions that are "WE HATE THIS". It's like having vegetarians run your fucking butcher shop.

The guy leaving the Energy department is a renowned Nuclear Physicist. The guy coming in could not even name the fucking department when he said years ago that he wanted to get rid of 3 departments. "Uh...what's the 3rd one?"

My issues with Trump and his team have shifted way from Trump saying stupid/insane shit and more on him and his team being blatantly incompetent at the most dangerous point in history since WW2. I'm not afraid Trump is going to round people into camps. I'm afraid terrorists will detonate a nuke in Manhattan because Trump is "a smart person" and felt like meeting with Kanye west and tweeting about how he plans to bomb China, instead of reading security briefings or listening to intelligence.

>>715423744
>he thinks Trump is real
kek

>>715437354
>when Harry Reid claimed that Mitt Romney had NEVER paid taxes he knew it was bullshit. He said "the end justified the means"..
>Mitt Romney had paid over 12 million in taxes.
>This is what the regressive lefty tards do. This is how they insult intelligence.

False Cause.
Strawman.

>>715437266
this is the best argument the regressive left can come up with.

Insults, full stop. No reasons, just insults.

If you got millions, you'd lose it in record time, because you don't know how to handle or invest money, or use leadership to turn it into billions.

>>715437354
Harry reid isn't here, dipshit

>>715437448
I know. The left are such dipshit regressive degenerate cucks who need to go prep their bulls.

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Attention faggots, give this page a look before you continue reading anything. These are arguments only fools make. If you want to make a coherent argument be persuasive, use evidence, don't be fallacious.

>>715437340
>Sure, I'll bite, but why does he have to show his birth certificate when no other president in history ever had to show theirs?

Except all of them, or their entire history was well known already.

Why would such an issue come up like this if their wasn't unanswered questions to begin with? I mean who questions the birth of someone, unless there is unanswered questions.

>>715422316
kleptocracy

>>715437472
Ad hominem
>>715437448
False equivalency
Irrelevant

>>715437432
>False Cause.
>Strawman.

No, it's not. It's the same stupid shit with Trumps taxes. He's paid millions also, but the left insists he never paid any, without having seen his tax returns.

It's the same shit, it's like religion: Making claims they can't possibly know.

More fake news.

>>715437514
Begging the question
Black or white
Burden of proof
Tu quoque
Loaded question
Special pleading

>>715437591
He admitted he didn't pay taxes

>That makes me smart
Or is he lying?

But people want to see his returns to see his financial business ties. Unless you want our soldiers to die in some god forsaken country solely to defend Trump properties?

>>715437574
>False equivalency
>Irrelevant

Hillary spent $1.3 billion in a smear campaign that he knew regressive lefties would take the bait. Never a plan, just insults for Trump and his supporters.

Why doesn't insulting your opponent and his followers make them follow you?

>>715437591
Personal incredulity
Begging the question

>>715422316
You fucking retard--

The Sherrif CLOSED his little investigation and released a statement saying the certificates were REAL.

Look at his fucking website, fucking cuck

>>715437664
it wasn't me that came up with undeniable proof president obama's birth certificate is a forgery, dipshit.

Proof is proof, even if you don't like it. It is the same as evolution, it has proof.

>>715437703
Is this bait?

>>715437703
Begging the question
Strawman
Ad Hominem
Genetic
Loaded question

>>715437774
>proof is proof
Not really. If I disagree with proof, it isn't proof. I learned that from our next president.

>>715437692
>He admitted he didn't pay taxes

He said he didn't pay any taxes he didn't have to pay, legally, true statement there anon.

Did you overpay your taxes so you could be generous?

No, you didn't pay any. 48% of Americans pay no tax at all. While the wealthy foot 75% of the tax bill.

>>715437770
link?

>>715437774
Ambiguity
Appeal to nature (vaguely)
Begging the question
Strawman
Black or white
Special Pleading
Personal Incredulity
Tu quoque

>>715437879
not an argument.

>>715437845
Aw, poor wealthy man has to pay his share and not buy a new gold yacht ;-;

"insisted that the probe was not political and that he simply wanted to “clear” the president of the United States."

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>715437845
Uncited statistics
Burden of Proof
Bandwagon
Loaded question
Composition/division

>>715437892
Correct.

>>715437502
It's funny how the fallacy fallacy literally makes fallacies themselves utterly pointless. If acknowledging a fallacy is a fallacy, then everything or nothing is a fallacy

If you deny that Russia hacked the election but you believe a pig from some backwoods town when he says Obama isn't American, you should be lobotomized

>>715437894
No. The wealthy pay way more than their fair share. The United States has the most progressive tax system in the world

The ultra wealthy would already pay much more with a flat tax rate, but as it is the wealthier you are, the higher percentage you pay.

You will never have to worry about that, because you will always be a burden on society.

>>715437961
Fallacy Fallacy only applies to single offenses. Not entire arguments built upon nothing but fallacies.

Calling someone a retard after posting a cited source that has factual information/research/general knowledge is still Ad Hominem, but fallacy fallacy doesn't apply because it's still correct information.

Faggot.

^See that? This is ad hominem, but my point is still correct.

>>715437894
You will always be a whiny little bitch asking for more tendies, more taxes from people that earn it.

>>715437894
WTF are you talking about? Trump paid what the government decided was his "fair share." He is being audited and if he did anything illegal we would be hearing about it.

If you think he should pay more taxes don't blame him, blame the politicians that don't do anything to stop those tax loopholes because they are the same loopholes used by the people donating to their campaigns, like Hillary.

>>715428849
The legitimacy of anyone holding the office of president by definition has a national scope. It's in every citizen's interest to find out the truth.

>>715429033
>I'm not technically a Citizen until I receive the paperwork.

That's not how the law works. You are a citizen in every way, but when you want the secondary benefits/regulations thereof like voting which requires registration then yes obviously you need to file paperwork.

But primary aspects of being a U.S. citizen, like, say, if you were kidnapped by Russians but fled to the U.S. embassy -- that shit's all good even if your only method of verification was your mother's citizenship.

Though when it comes to embassy protection and stuff, there's a lot of requirements of default protection by a UN treaty on "stateless persons", which basically guarantees that everyone has citizenship somewhere -- nobody is left out to dry.

>>715438001
>If you deny that Russia hacked the election

Russia was not responsible for airing Hillaries stupidity and lies. You are responsible for her making history!

She is the first woman to ever be defeated in the primaries!

You could have elected a real democrat. Someone that believes in true liberal values of freedom of speech, instead of trying to silence opposing views.

>>715438001
He didn't say he wasn't American, he said the birth certificate he produced is fake. There is a pile of evidence, it is pretty much indisputable at this point that the document released was not a legit birth certificate. We can only speculate as to why he would release a fake document.

>>715438001
You should be lobotomized, fucktard.

The investigation by the DOJ showed that Russia didn't have anything to do with it.

>>715429033
>The thing at question here is that Obama's Birth Certificate had 9 fallacies in it
*Alleged Forgeries

Not Fallacies.

And no, Arpaio SAID they had 9 forgeries in them. While presenting no evidence to prove it, simply stating that he's investigated, and found them, and that Obama isn't a citizen. None of which is evidence. Also Arpaio isn't exactly a credible unbiased source. He's a well known Republican pundit more or less.

>>715438284
You really should read the articles, that way you won't sound as stupid as you look right now.

>>715438250
>There is a pile of evidence, it is pretty much indisputable at this point that the document released was not a legit birth certificate.
Please post cited links and sources thank you.

>This post is to be considered false until proven otherwise.

>>715422316
Come on, guys.
You can't be this gullible.

Here is his speech. He >>closed<< his case and stated nothing was found, ie. The certificate wasn't faked.

What is faked is this news. I don't get why everyone made this into a big deal in the first place. Because he's black? Because his middle name is middle eastern?
You do see how childish that is? My name is very German, but would anyone care if I ran for president? No.

http://m.wacotrib.com/news/ap_nation/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-closes-probe-of-obama-birth-certificate/image_de517d6c-7f2f-5803-8c9e-11ecbd4cee46.html?mode=jqm

>>715435789
No, that's called a wild guess.

>>715438312
The USA today article? It's roughly 6 paragraphs. All of which repeat the same thing.

>Joe Arpaio
>9 forgeries
>Arpaio investigative posse

None of which explains what specifically about the document is fake. Just that his team believes they are fake. They didn't even identify specific instances, aside from repeating that there are 9 of them.

>>715438316
The op already posted three links, how else do you explain the points made in those articles?

>>715436921
Why not?
A cabinet of people concerned for the welfare of the US people and not big business?
Holy fucking shit, how stupid are you?

>>715438337
fellacious argument

>>715438337
>He closed the investigation

Proved it's a forgery with the help of multiple agencies.

>>715438283
The CIA just said that Russia DID do the hacking.
You fucking think the cold war is over? You're a special kind of stupid, huh?

>>715438455
>Why not?

Because all of those groups have been notoriously dishonest and advocate for genuine unfairness in our systems.

This is why Black Lives Matter can be ignored, because facts show that blacks are not targeted. Facts that come from studies paid for by liberals.

>>715438337
Wow the article doesn't even mention his findings, it doesn't get much more biased than that. He did find it to be a forgery. You can see the "9 points of forgery" projected on the wall behind him.

>>715424915
To be fair... Cnn has its own news channel... Doesn't make them not fake.

>>715438455
>A cabinet of people concerned for the welfare of the US people

A cabinet of people concerned to raise welfare?

fucking lefty communist fucktards...

>>715425527
Woa... Fuck the topic.. More of that

>>715438602
>Cnn has its own news channel

The ultra lefty socialist "we suck black and muslim cock" CNN?

Nothing's wrong here. CNN lost a lot of credibility over the last year with me. They were the last bastion of balanced news reporting, until this year.

>>715438491
No, he didnt.
Did you just listen to the man himself?

He closed the investigation-- they found nothing. He even goes so far as to say that even though they found nothing , that it was "well worth the try".

I get it-- you just want to force your hopes into reality. But that isn't how reality works.

You're a laughing stock right now. Stay that way if you wish, but do remember this:
You have no evidence and even the man that investigated it (just to raise money for his platform) found nothing.

>>715438438
Azcentral says nothing more than USA today did. Did you watch the WND video?

He basically circled 9 things and said these are fake. Without explaining why, except the date stamp and the x marks, which are all clearly different.

There's literally nothing in any of these articles that present fact. Arpaio is a partisan who doesn't like Obama. End of story.

>>715438741
>http://m.wacotrib.com/news/ap_nation/politics/sheriff-joe-arpaio-closes-probe-of-obama-birth-certificate/image_de517d6c-7f2f-5803-8c9e-11ecbd4cee46.html?mode=jqm
Ok whatever dipshit.
This is what the link said I got:

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio pauses before announcing the findings of a five-year investigation into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate at a press conference Thursday, Dec. 15, 2016, in Phoenix. Arpaio closed his yearslong investigation Thursday, ending a chapter that critics denounced as a shameless ploy to raise money from his right-wing base. (AP Photo/Ross D. Frank

So.. it's critical of the sheriff for being conservative like normal, but doesn't say anything else.

>>715438644
Vets receiving full medicinal aid is bad?
Single mothers getting affordable housing is bad?
Children being able to eat and have good clothes is bad?
The elderly being able to stay warm is bad?

Sure, call me a retard, but I care more about those things than any lofty ideal you have for rabid "patriotism" and your wish to live Beyond Thunderdome.

>>715438644
Don't you have a billionaire cock to choke on? It's fucking Trumpist projections going on here:

"Anyone saying mean things about our big strong man are cucks, and SJWs! If he's got money it must mean he's dreamy... I mean, smart and powerful and totally not just fucking me for free because I give up the ass for anyone with a fancy watch and a fast car! Hillary! Obama! Nancy Pelosi! Pay no attention to the dick in my ass!"

>>715438771
>There's literally nothing in any of these articles that present fact. Arpaio is a partisan who doesn't like Obama. End of story.

Except for all the rest of us that keep showing you how Obama has damaged the US economy, set back race relations 50 fucking years.

>>715433701

here's how science works.

you, or some other dumbass, independently run your own experiment, using the same parameters, and different ones (your own, since you feel that this is a non-rigorous experiment). science makes predictions: here's my prediction: your shitty, even less rigorous, or even more rigorous, either way, will melt steel beams, and your fucking face.

fuck yeah, science.

>>715438871
>>refuses to listen to the man's own speech.
>>will only read from a fake news site.

OK

>>715438948
The speech I have shows that he tried to clear the birth certificate, but found that it is indeed a forgery.

>>715423821

Made me chuckle

>>715438926
Strawman
False Cause
Special Pleading
Loaded question
Tu Quoque

>>715438948
>>715439014
Do you have another speech showing that the sheriff and the forensics agencies agree that the document is not a forgery?

>>715439019

hey look another one

>>715438411
Except that's wrong. He showed in detail the lack of security marks under the label, the fact that every x when ran through photoshop and shifted a micrometer to the left, fit exactly the same, within an extremely small margin of error, that no pen ever pressed to the paper, because there was no impression marks, that the raised seal was not allowed to be publically verified, and that the paper Hawaii uses can be bought off of Amazon, while most other states have security measures involved with it.

>>715439014
Well stop the presses! someone on /b/ proved something! Alert the public! Anonymous Hacker 4chan strikes again, proving beyond a doubt that obama is a kenyan!

>sage

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/12/15/sheriff-joe-arpaio-probe-proves-obama-birth-certificate-fake/95500958/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

USA today is notoriously left, and indicates the same story that the document was found to be a forgery.

>>715422316
better hurry up and get him out of offi--oh wait.

>>715438644
You're going to be very confused in 20 years as to why the US is toward the bottom with 3rd world countries when it comes to quality of life and age expectancy.

You'll probably also wonder why the rate of disease is astronomical, or why the streets are filled with homeless people.

Also, Trump literally WON because of welfare queens. I know a few alt righters love to believe Trump won because he shits on Muslim or is "anti-PC". He won because of people out of a job, living paycheck to paycheck etc. Have you paid any attention to the whole "I AM JESUS FOR THE WORKING MAN" shit? That's what got him elected.

He also promised not to fuck them. So, he's a liar as well.

>>715439126
Do you have the speech showing the sheriff and the forensics agencies have decided that the document is not a forgery?

Do you have any proof that Obama is not one of the worst presidents to ever serve in that office, besides Bill Clinton, who was impeached?

>>715439201
The left continually makes predictions that are reliably wrong.

>>715439108
>that no pen ever pressed to the paper, because there was no impression marks

No fucking way! Holy shit really? A digital document doesn't have impression marks??? Case closed! Because the picture of a birth certificate that Arpaio has had no indentations, it's clearly fake!

Did you even read the article? It's a digital image. Naturally there would be no impressions.

>>715439201
>Also, Trump literally WON because of welfare queens.

Mean income of Trump supporters: $79K

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>>715427785
>What is a Civics book?

>>715439261
People prefer to listen to experts over partisan politics.

>>715424466
Do you know how to read headlines?

USA today is reporting on the press conference. They actually discredit most of it.

>>715439235
Genetics
False equivalency
Strawman
Tu quoque
Personal Incredulity
Burden of Proof
False Cause
Special Pleading

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>>715439301
>Michigan and Pennsylvania
>Wealthy

You are aware he won 3 democrat states to win, and all 3 of them are hurting horribly when it comes to the economy, and are worried about jobs, right?

It's the same shit as brexit, where the deciding area were rural places that weren't doing well with the economy.

Let's say it is fake. What good would come from revealing to the world that Americans were stupid enough to vote in an illegal african as president?

>>715439201
> toward the bottom with 3rd world countries when it comes to quality of life and age expectancy.

Socialist countries look like this. Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, many others.

>>715439301
Mean IQ of Trump supporters: 70

See? I can make up statistics without presenting a citation too.

That data is literally impossible to accurately source. So no, you're just lying and making shit up.

>>715438948
>>715438741
>>715438771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM

There is the press conference. You don't have to watch the whole thing, you can skip to the last two minutes to hear him say he is handing over the investigation to the Federal Government and Congress, not closing it.

>>715439389
Also all the counties he won in said states are notoriously poor.

Meanwhile California and New York, two of the richest states in the union, did not go Trump.

>>715439389
>You are aware he won 3 democrat states to win, and all 3 of them are hurting horribly when it comes to the economy, and are worried about jobs, right?


Well, Obama did fuck the country over pretty well, so I'm not surprised

>>715439201
Politifact rates this statement as LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.

>>715439399
Funfact: Venezuela was a very very good country in the 80's and one of the freest places on Earth. Until a politician was voted in who cracked down on all dissent, destroyed the economy, rewrote the constitution to make himself supreme ruler, and turned the country into a dictatorship.

Food for thought :^)

>>715439455
Weird how jobs went up.

>>715439517
government jobs...

>>715439460
You should probably try and get your finger on the pulse, anon. It's not a secret that right wing populism is a result of the recession and economic hardships.

>>715439423
>Mean IQ of Trump supporters: 70

This can't hold water for these reasons:
1. The number one argument of the left is insults. No reasons, but "Trump is dumb, supporters are dumb"

2. The physical violence on the left proves the low IQ on the left.

We can bet that the wetback mexicans have more intelligence than the Muslims, social justice warriors and Negroes that supported Hillary or Bernie.

>>715439547
Weird how unemployment is super low

>>715439501
Pure socialism, free tendies, and equality is ruling in Venezuela.

Any liberal should want to live there.

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>>715439566
>1. The number one argument of the left is insults.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Coming from the party of "LIBTARD CUCK DEGENERATE SHILL MUDSLIME CUCKCUCKCUCK, LYIN' TED CROOKED HILLARY, THE GUAC!"

>>715439501
Werr you piggy backing or replying to yourself?

>>715424642
OMG Princess Grace died? That's so sad.

>>715439517
Only the growth of the federal government and if so many jobs, why the highest number of people on welfare than ever before in US history?

>>715439628
No muslims, gays repressed, few non whites, government controlled media and business is what rules in Russia.

Any alt right should want to live there.

>>715439628
I'd prefer Finland tbh. Or Norway

>>715439424
None of that press conference is in any way compelling evidence.

"Look, you can buy the same paper on ebay."

Yeah... I can buy William Shatner's kidney stone on ebay, i'm not really going to believe what a republican hard right elderly sheriff says about anyone, let alone a black democratic president.

It's like listening to Hitler try and convince you that Jews are evil. It's literally the guy trying to destroy the thing he's investigating. Bias.

>>715424625

Go watch the actual fucking presentation where they explain the 9 points of forgery and move beyond this wikipedia-shill philosophy of needing "verification" when you can look at the direct evidence yourself and come to the only sensible conclusion.

I was dismissive of the birther issue in the past.

Now, its undeniable. The only argument is ad hom of the people involved and shouting ITS CAUSE HE BLACK AIN'T IT. No actual refute of the specific evidence of forgery itself.

Obama's certificate is literally a shoop, and it took them five years searching through every fucking Hawaiian birth certificate to find the one used as a template to show you how, by the angles and pixels, you can tell that with virtually no doubt that it is a shoop.

>>715426320

Which actually does all the more to back up the claims.

When far left rags like mother jones are doing studies about mass shootings and end up claiming "actually the rate of whites being shooters is proportionate by national demographics, its actually blacks that are per-capita over-represented and have the highest propensity to become mass shooters" then it becomes very fucking credible.

>>715422316
>suppressed

>>715439650
Number 2 is physical violence, destroying their towns and cities, physically attacking anyone with a trump hat or bumper sticker.

we both know this is corrrect

>>715439685
I don't know? That doesn't change the fact that unemployment is very very low. So can YOU explain that, as you brought it up?

>>715439566
>See? I can make up statistics without presenting a citation too.

You can't be this obtuse, so it's clearly deliberate. Enjoy your trollthread.

>>715439716
>I'd prefer Finland tbh. Or Norway

Their market is less socialist than the United States. They have much less government control, and do not qualify to be called socialist.
Sorry, your argument just fell

They have ultra high taxes and welfare though!

>>715439723
>Yeah... I can buy William Shatner's kidney stone on ebay, i'm not really going to believe what a republican hard right elderly sheriff says about anyone, let alone a black democratic president.

So you don't believe him because you feel he is biased not because you can find any flaw in his argument? Sounds like you are the one with a bias.

>>715439743
You mean like those right wingers sending people death threats for publicly criticizing Trump?

Teacher in my state had to flee the state due to death threats and harassment. Including people sending pictures of her house to her, with threatening letters attached. And then there's always the ping pong shooter and the Kansas Crusaders

>>715439754
>That doesn't change the fact that unemployment is very very low

People working part time so they can stay on government benefits when minimum wage went up. You know this is truth.

>>715439823
They are technically classified as welfare states.

I also never said anything about socialism.

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>>715422316
>Maricopa County Sheriff's Department

>>715422316
Who the fuck is azcentral and why is the article exactly the same as the one from usatoday?

And where's the evidence of these 9 points of forgery? No pictures?
And where's the link to the forlabs report?
And why is a guy who works for WND being used as a source for the article on his own site?

Who is Reed Hayes and why does the SAFE website look fake as shit?

Why does a paragraph about celebrity hypocrisy appear below the 'evidence' subsection?

There's literally nothing of note here.

>>715439898
I don't know anything until I get a non-partisan study from scientists, or some proven statistics.

>>715439754
They calculate the unemployment rate by the number of people looking for jobs. With all the government handouts people don't need to look for jobs anymore. Or they have just given up.

>>715439903
Fin and Norwegians have undeniably less disposable income than Americans that work as a result,

>>715440027
And?

>>715439946
>I don't know anything until I get a non-partisan study from scientists, or some proven statistics.

you won't find it watching socialist news outlets friend. You have read news to find out what is happening.

People are refusing to work full time, because the freebies are so good.

>>715439594
unemployment RATES are super low because 200,000 people keep dropping off the end of the scale and being uncounted after they can't find a job after 12 months.

Unemployed is going down in the same way attendance in a primary school would go down if you only counted "children" as being those under the age of 7 when the school teaches kids up to 10 years old.

They're not suddenly finding new jobs, they've just been unemployed for so long that they're magically not counted as unemployed somehow. It's cooking the books and just another way Dems try to cover up the fact that they're complete fuckups.

They're also magically counting 20 hours a week in the same basket as full-time jobs when no administration before Obama ever did so those that ARE finding jobs are going from a 50 hour a week career to a 15 hour a week "full time job" that barely pays beer money.

>>715439946
>I don't know anything
clearly
why don't you stop pretending you do?

>>715440071
>And?

And.... less disposable income means lower quality of life. Are you retarded?

>>715440084
No one mentioned socialist news outlets. Please refer to the fallacy chart.

Your entire post is composed of fallacies.

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>>715440143
Ad hom

>>715440145
And yet the quality of life in the nordic countries are rated as higher than the US?

>>715439898
>People working part time because most companies don't want to offer full-time positions.

Ftfy

>>715440148
.Please refer to the fallacy chart.

Please suck a bag of communist dicks. Make an argument that sounds plausible.

>>715439931
Downs detected. You can't be this fucking dumb and not have the syndrome.

>>715440201
>Ad hom
Not really, you are the one that brought up unemployment rates then said you don't know anything about them because you haven't seen a study you trust. So why do you bring it up and pretend you know what you are talking about?

>>715440201
>And yet the quality of life in the nordic countries are rated as higher than the US?

Actually no. There are a number of studies about this with metrics we'd all approve of.

Here is a good start: https://youtu.be/FNtyV0CXfzU

Then, reference the numbers for yourself.

>>715440243
>ur dumb
>because I said so

>>715440224
because of the current tax structure

>>715440224
>>People working part time because most companies don't want to offer full-time positions

People getting let go, businesses closing down, because they can't afford to hire anymore due to government regulations and impossible wage increases. Move those businesses to mexico and china, where jobs are appreciated and not vilified.

FTFY

>>715440371
Both false and irrelevant. The argument is that people are working part time jobs, but the fact is the matter is that they work part time because fewer and fewer full time jobs are available.

>>715439871
This has got to be a shill, I saw this verbatim copy pasted on no less than 5 threads over the past 12ish hours. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit.

Probably related to these lying dipshits:

http://pix11.com/2016/12/14/muslim-woman-who-said-she-was-called-terrorist-on-subway-arrested-for-filing-false-report/

>>715440544
>Both false and irrelevant. The argument is that people are working part time jobs, but the fact is the matter is that they work part time because fewer and fewer full time jobs are available.

This is pure nonsense. you're not quite making a decent point, then you have insults.

You're failing at arguments.

You get a prize for trying.

>>715440533
>BTFY
Ftfy

>>715440549
This is the overwhelming "victimhood" of the lefties.

They have no idea what they would do if they encountered real racism.

>>715440676
FTFY.

it means I fixed that for you, dipshit. Learn to read.

>>715440617
>this guy made an argument
>let's call it an insult and claim victory

>>715440544
Do you know how business works?

I have $30,000 in capital to pay 1) supplies 2) taxes/regulations 3) employees (including healthcare)

Taxes
Grade: D

Is our tax environment better? No.

Since the president took office in 2009, Americans have paid higher personal and capital gains taxes, seen a rise in Medicare taxes, a decrease in deductions and the loss of certain incentives (accelerated depreciation, research and development credits) and many other tax increases too numerous to mention that have resulted in the United States falling to No. 12 in the world among economically “free” countries, according to the (right-leaning) Heritage Foundation. For a small business owner, taxes can take away anywhere from 20-40 percent of income, particularly when you figure in the impact of state and local amounts. This situation has grown far worse over the past few years, not better.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2015/11/16/gene-marks-president-obamas-small-business-scorecard/

>>715440676
You're a victim. You will always be a victim. you will blame society for your failures.

You will blame capitalism. You will blame everyone but yourself.

>>715438926
He actually saved the economy.
Then again, it all depends on where you look at it from.

There is an excellent article about it.

>>715440724
Wow, you're pretty dumb, aren't you.

>>715440810
And that's why I'm the one with a full time job while you live in your mom's basement.

>>715440819
>He actually saved the economy.

Ruined it with less than 3% growth for every year he was in office. (lowest for any president)

Told everyone he wasn't listening in on phone conversations while doubling down on listening in on phone conversations.

Probably one of the worst presidents to ever hold the office.

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>>715422316
Very nice OP, very nice.

>>715440908
Aircraft maintainer...$80 per hour

>>715440908
>>715440955
Now, you know about me. Tell me about your so called job.

>>715440796
[continued]

Regulations
Grade: D

Is our regulatory environment better? No.

Again, the Heritage Foundation reports: “In its first six years the Obama Administration has imposed 194 major regulations on the private sector. That figure is more than twice the number imposed by the Bush Administration in its first six years.” There’s no question that the regulatory environment has increased and for those businesses operating in financial services, energy and environmental industries it seems that new regulations appear almost daily. But they’re not alone. In just the past year, the Obama administration has overseen new rules that allow unions to form much faster and overtime pay to increase while pushing hard for mandated paid time off and increased minimum wages. All of these regulations, whether signed into law or promoted by the president all contribute to more costs for the small business owner. The environment under this administration has unquestionably been more populace, rather than business driven.

But you faggot socialist fucks want to keep up a narrative "it's the greedy greedy businesses keeping us down" when it's really the guy you voted in to fix shit.

Maybe stop eating up all the bullshit your leftist college professors are feeding you and think for yourself for once.

If an employer has to pay fucking double for each employee's obamacare than they did before the ACA, where the fuck do you think that money comes from? It doesn't just magically fall out of the equation. You don't just "make more profit." You have to cut costs which you would know if you entitled dipshits ever worked a day in your life and didn't just prance around in che guevera t-shirts not know what the hell you're even talking about.

t. small business owner

>>715441024
This is the truth you socialist faggots.

Obama did everything he could to destroy the American economy.

>>715441024
>just prance around in che guevera t-shirts not know what the hell you're even talking about.

fuckin A...

These idiots would suck che's dick and castros too, cause they don't know any better.

>>715441024
>Maybe stop eating up all the bullshit your leftist college professors are feeding you and think for yourself for once.


This is why the Indonesians basically had to declare a fucking genocide on the commies in '69. Once they get that stupid shit in their heads, it's tough to get it out again.

>>715441221
>fucking genocide on the commies in '69.

Indonesian mass killings of 1965-1966 - Wikipedia
My dates were off a bit.

They fucking flushed the commies.

Well, fuck I guess the commies went off the clock cause they were getting their asses beaten.