Amerifucks, is it true that when you turn 18, you're re

>>715419117
i dont understand, tf do it say and mean?

You have to sign up to go to college or even get a job.

>>715419117
I didn't do it yet and i'm 22, and no one has come after me yet.

Yea, when us men turn 18 we are required to sign up to defend our country if the shit really hits the fan. Be jeaulous, probable euro-fag

This is a shitty fucking troll. OP what shit country do you come from

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All american males get their dicks mutilated to show loyalty for their jew masters and with selective service they sign up to die for their kike masters

>>715419117
Hah, Pres. Carter dumped the requirement, next Pres turned it back on.

I didn't have to register.....we haven't had a war worth fighting since Korea, anyhow.....except Afghanistan from dropping bombs to driving bin Laden out and into Pakistan.

>>715419681
lol are you cut like a jew wannabe

>>715419369
i didn't either but apparently if you dont select by a certain time you are just auto enrolled toward whichever branch

I learned this when i applied for a position at the VA.

>>715419656
I was born in the US and i'm uncut. Does that mean the jews aren't my masters?

So what pussy OP? Go fly kite.

>>715419931
Whatever. I'm a dual citizen and i'll just revoke my american citizenship and move if it comes to that.

>>715420076
no they still rule every aspect of your life and will draft yo ass if they need bodies for war

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Do you feel in charge, plebfuck murricunt?

>>715419117
I'm too old and don't care. I hope all you menials die in service of the country.

>>715419117
100% true.
Being a fat fuck aint so bad.
They cant take you if you cant pass basic.

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Americans

>>715420285
But i'm a dual citizen and i can move and revoke my american one

>>715420294
This is pretty true for soldiers in most countries.
Most are never deployed and have a chill fucking job with plenty of free time to jerk around like teenagers who've never had a real job before.

They are more of an investment. If shit hits the fan, you can be assured they will have to face the toughest and most nightmarish job there is.

>>715419117
Yes. And funny thing: If there was a draft under Trumps presidency, many people would believe they are being sent to die for Trump corporate assets, since Trump will do nothing to untangle himself from such conflicts.

So if you get drafted some day and get sent to some hell hole that's only resource is having a Trump tower, just known you died to make Trumps wallet great again

>>715419117
Many European countries have forced conscription, not even selective surface. Finland and Switzerland are two places all citizens are forced to join the military. SKorea also forces citizens to join the military

At least the US just signs you up for an emergency draft rather than force all adults to spend a year or more in the military or go to jail.

>>715419369
If you fail to sign up by a certain age, you can never claim state or federal benefits. No medicare, no social security, no housing or foodstamps. Not that the US will have any of those a year from now.

>>715420469
Hahaha, it's funny that you think that.

>>715419117
yes, if you are a male and are of age 18 you must sign up for selective service. It really doesn't bother me because we are not pussies like in other countries. If the need arises we are ready to fuck you up.

>>715421767
>If you fail to sign up by a certain age, you can never claim state or federal benefits. No medicare, no social security, no housing or foodstamps. Not that the US will have any of those a year from now.

This is the mentality of most who join the military...they are losers who want to live their entire lives on state handouts

>>715422182
i didnt and im not going

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>>715422182
I didn't know this was a YLYL thread

Won't happen while trump is prez. Most the country will tell him to fuck off and actively resist. Only the low end of the gene pool that voted for him would respond.

>>715421550
relax, it will be no worse than a 6 mile wide comet strike

>>715419117
Yeah, but it ends when you turn 25, recieve crippling injury, enlist in the military proper, or being convicted of a felony.

There are certain conditions under which you are ineligible for the draft (and enlistment).
Mental illness
Physical handicap
Gay
Having a vagina
Being born outside Murica

>>715422223
This comment would be 1000x better if it were posted one post earlier, but yes, that's too true.

>>715419117
i dont know where your from but in canada there is the war measures act. you have no choice. the government can come tell you that your going off to war. no sign up required.

im pretty sure the uk has this as well.

>>715422354
>>715422648
ya seriously, the premise of this whole thread is bullshit.
I'm 36, never signed up for selective service.

I won't be able to get a gov't job or be a politician, but no one's coming after me for it...
it's not punishable by law.
read the fine print before posting horseshit OP...

I had to for financial aid for college, but idk if you have to when you turn 18 now.

>>715419117
>Yes all men have to sign up
>It is being expanded that women have to sign up too (equal rights bitches)
>failing to sign up is grounds to be denied financial aid for school
>failing to sign up can keep you out of some government related jobs
>technically prison time is possible, but it isn't worth the expense to the government.

Having an all volunteer military is more cost effective, and provides a higher quality of service members.

>>715422223
>The mentality of most who join the military is that they are men and women that are willing to commit themselves to supporting the security of society while gaining training and/or education benefits to improve their lives.

fixed

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>>715425471
>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

>>715419365
Bull shit. I never handed in my card during highschool, graduated and had no problem getting into CalPoly.

>>715419117
It should be an acceptable consequence that anytime US soil, or national soil, is under threat all able-bodied men should stand up to defend it.

>>715425967
wouldn't it be easier to have manned land drones mounted with an automatic weapon, enough ammunition for multiple reloads and a self destruct option?

>>715425797
>The tree of liberty must occasional be watered with the blood of patriots

Be thankful you live in a time when U.S. Military service is a choice.

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>>715425967
I'll defend the soil on and surrounding my community, thank you very much. I'll gladly join a militia with friends, family and people I've met, thank you very much. I'll fight to the death alongside them if need be, defending what we as a community have helped to build, thank you very much.

I will NOT join a standing army controlled by faceless, old men in grey suits for interests of which I'm uncertain, fighting and dying alongside people I don't know who could well be legitimately retarded psychopaths.

THANK YOU VERY FUCKING MUCH.

>>715419117
They tell me I should sign up. But... Well, I don't think I'll survive to the war.

>>715426192
Yes, but I still think that a draft is a necessary action of any country should it be facing destruction.
I don't like it, but it's a necessity in my mind.

>>715419117
No.
You need to sign up if you want any sort of interaction with government assistance. This includes any government, state, federal, local jobs (but none by private employers), your FAFSA form for student aid (including government-provided student loans) that most colleges expect you to submit and may require a special form to be filled out if you don't want to submit your FAFSA. You need to have filled it out and submitted in a timely manner if you ever want to serve in the military, police, EMT, first responders, public-funded firefighter group, any job in any public school, any job for any local state or federal anything related to government. Section 8, food stamps, government-funded vocational rehab, medicaid, etc all require you to be signed up to it.

So the short answer is "basically yes", but if you feel like jumping through hoops and never receiving a second of the government's time or consideration for anything at all, you can not sign up, although this becomes murky water in legal proceedings if you dodge a draft thereafter.

You can also sign up as an informed peaceful dissenter / peace corps member, which excludes you from drafts, but also bars you from all military / federal+state+local law enforcement jobs.

>>715426240
Good for you. That way you can fall one by one in an unorganized heap of inability as your country is taken and your women raped and your land destroyed.

>>715426192
>manned land drones
????
manned or drone... pick one

Do you mean remote operated drones?
>can be cut off with jammers
>cannot multi-task

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>>715419117
Yeah, all males once they turn 18 have to register for selective service for the US Military, usually you could get fined for it, but there are occasions where they'll send you to jail and hold you until you register. Most people can get out of it relatively easily if it comes down to a draft being initiated, any kind of chronic illness, mental disorder, or even flat feet or chronic bodily pain or injury can get you out of it.

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>>715426390
Indeed. That is our choice and we know we didn't die needlessly for Jewish bankers using us as pawns in their crooked, little game.

Thanks for the fish, you overtly-nationalistic kumquat. Here's some Doug Stanhope to tell you why you're a complete and utter moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsPDT5qHtZ4

>>715426287
signing up does not guarantee service... Remember that the military ha standards just being too fat will keep you out of the service

>>715426655
I'm not a nationalist. I dislike authoritarianism, and would consider myself a libertarian. But one of my firm beliefs is that it is the duty of the country to first and foremost protect itself, and that a draft is a neccesity of that. I think it should be limited to if US soil is attacked, but I think it is something that is needed. If you'd like to sit and be the one protected along with the other woman, so be it, but don't claim that it is because of your own intelligence or some sort of enlightenment. It's from fear and a rebellious streak.

>>715426944
Duty of a country to protect it's people*. That was a typing error on my part.

>>715426441
okay, how about ironman like bullet proof, blast proof suits for the infantry?

I'm high and bored.

>>715426944
So you're saying that if a nations standing army is stretched so thin that it can't protect its shores you'd trust the same nations government to arm you and use you as something more than a bullet magnet?

>>715427304
I expect to be used as a bullet magnet, but as I've said it is first and foremost the duty of the nation to protect it's people, and if it comes to the point where enemy troops were landing on American soil I'd be willing do die fighting for some minuscule amount of hope. And there is more hope in a united from than there is in small groups guarding communities.
It's an unfortunate aspect that someones got to be on the front lines, but I refuse to let someone else die in my stead if its in defense of my land.
I also refuse to buy into this anti-genetic bullshit. It's an unfortunate truth that men were made to be disposable.

>>715427143
honestly, they are being developed.
> Yes the armored trooper has a lot of value.
save lives
save money by not having to train so many new troops
save money by not needing to deploy as many troops

also, think of all the private sector jobs that could benefit, from the companies that make the armor down to the civilian and first responder uses for the same tech as it trickles down

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>>715426944
Well sonny, you just go tell those folks up there in charge to maybe fix a few schools and roads and what-not, oh and don't forget the mental health system so we don't have schizophrenic bums gladly informing us that "Hitler actually won the war and Germany developed advanced mind-control methods to convince us otherwise so we won't revolt", oh and uh, fix the aged care system as well so ol' Gramps who has Alzheimer's actually gets some food more than once every four days because, you know, "everyone's gotta share the load" while Finkel Finkelstein up there in Washington D.C. can eat once every four seconds if he wishes because he's skimming off the top, oh and uh, maybe a nice public education system that doesn't teach Common Core? Yeah, that'd be nice.

You just tell those fellas up there to fix all those things so we have an America worth fighting for. Meanwhile, I'll stick right here in my community, ready to bear arms and shoot me some fuckin' invaders.

Oh say, can you see. You fucking idiot.

>>715425846
the only thing that will happen is that you will be denied all forms of federal financial aid if you dont register

also, you probably automatically registered if you got a drivers license without checking 'no' that you wanted to not be in the draft

>>715427725
What in the fuck is your point? You are just rambling incoherently about nothing. All I said is that the draft is a acceptable consequence of a country. I don't think those fucks are going to fix anything, thus why I tend to like smaller regional government, but there are things that need to be federal, and the military is one of them.

>>715427666
So if you're already willing to die in said situation whats the point of signing up for a draft? If it came down to you could show up at any recruitment center and be on a bus to boot camp by the end of the day.

>>715419117
the bigger joke is if woman really wanted to be treated equal to men they'd demand they had to sign up too.

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>>715423501
>36
>on 4chan

pls go
your time is up here

>>715427945
Do you understand the point of a draft? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch if illiterate fucks who think it's just there to send people to Vietnam.

>>715427954
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/congress-women-military-draft.html?_r=0
welcome to equal rights

>>715428062

Yah! Get out of our special club!

>>715427954
>the bigger joke is if woman really wanted to be treated equal to men they'd demand they had to sign up too.
all of my this

>>715428293
an adult, fully functional in society, should not waste their time in an intellectually deleterous place like 4chan

im thinking about u, not me

>>715427686
I don't think civilians should be allowed to use that type of technology.
Imagine a crazed gunman in one of those things, the police would have be issued M855 and ar 15s

>>715428309
the only women who want to be equal are the ones that do not protest, and instead work for it

>>715428176
So what's the problem
isn't this a good thing

>>715428176
that's just men in congress saying "Hmm, yeah that seems fair" and voting for it.

I'm talking about actual regular female citizens going out there and DEMANDING either that we do away with selective service, or that women must sign up too.

>>715428142
Yes, I do. But I'm saying that in this (>>715426944) situation there would be no point in a draft as your shores would already be invaded so of course you'd be defending it.

The shitty thing about this entire thing is this current generation is too big of pussies to grab a gun. I signed up on my 18th birthday and am glad I did it. I have no problem shooting some sand nigger if they fuck with me. Any faggot who does not sign up does not deserve to live in the greatest country in the world. Now that we have the honorable Trump as president, the pussies will get out of the way and go cry in their safe spaces and let the men get back to work.

>>715428631
who "demands" anything these days, much less anything of one of the most easily ignored of US social institutions?

>>715428757
what if you're ordered to shoot serbs instead

>>715419117
Burgers getting cucked? Not surprised, really.

>>715428913
there is little room for morality in war

>>715429009
t. cuck

>>715419117
When i renewed my license after turning 18 it was required and part of the form. Draft or not drafted i cannot serve in the military because of cannabis drug charges. Nor can i be part of a jury.

yep, males aged 18 must sign up for the draft
sucks
but it's ok cause I can have my therapist sign a letter saying I'm a tranny and i get auto-excluded
feelsgoodman
but every day feelsbadman
I'm also a pacifist

>>715428483
It would be like the AR15
M16 / M4 assault rifle issued to military
AR15 sporting rifle cheaper and without burst or automatic fire options
Military powered armor with integrated mil-spec, air filtration, communications hardware, and battle field tech
civilian powered exoskeletons, with optional flame resistance, for police, fire, and construction

>>715429027
It mattered that they were sand niggers, but now you admit that you don't care who the states goes to war with, even if it's the poor serbs again.

>>715428595
never said it was a problem. I served with women in the military

>>715428913

Part of being in the military is to follow orders. If that is what I am asked to do, I will do it. With Russia becoming an ally now that Tilerson will Secretary of State and the Baltic States refusing to tempt America again, hence dissolving of Yugoslavia, I think our 2 countries would be all right.

>>715419117
No you don't. I didn't.

>>715429177

That was someone else, I am 219

>>715419117
Soo....Americucks it is?

>>715429177
if you go to war, there must be a valid reason to go to war

granted, killing civilians is unacceptable, but you cannot spare an enemy combatant that wants you dead because of 'morals'

>>715429041
t. faggot

>>715419117
>... and that, if there's a moment of "national crisis" you could be called up by the Draft that was supposed to be swept away after the giant fucking bed-shit that was the Vietnam War?

Infiltrated communist politicians ruined Vietnam- refused to allow the US to win, did the same thing during the Korean war. Just made them meat grinders for us.

Politicians should never be allowed to run a war.

>>715419117
Its illegal to draft, but we still have to sight up for. Its just something we forgot to take out and alot of people dont know its still there. We have too many willing people anyways it doesnt mattet either way. Im sighed up.

>>715419117
Many European countries require military service which them if a draft happens you're fucked.

>>715419117
I signed up quite willing, still carry my draft card even in my 30s. Its the law, and to be honest, I can't imagine a situation where it could be bad enough for them to start calling folks up were I wouldn't have already volunteered (for one side or the other).

>>715429027
There MUST be morality in war. That is why there are Laws of War both nationally and internationally.

When we choose to to be amoral we are no longer civilized humans, but monsters

>>715429327
>no u
excellent arguementation

>>715421767
Not sure about medicare, but I do know that SS is actually has a surplus currently, and will be able to give full benefits till like 2035 and 85%benefits after that for the forseeable future. Although, the Republicans actually just started pushing a new bill that would cut it.

>>715429382
there is always an evil side to war, and if they will not be moral, how can you be moral and expect to win

morality only applies to non-combatants or surrendering troops

>>715420539

Taught to criticize the dominant culture

This is as good as it gets for some countries

>>715429027
There's no room for morality in war? Murder is never an honorable thing. People say killing for there country is honorable are ignorant as fuck, cause most people i know are fucked up in the head after killing many people, and the people who enjoy it are fucked In the head to begin with. That being said one of the biggest problems in this earth is the population growing every so bigger. There's no moral way to solve it so non moral means must be put at use.

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>>715419117
>Being this mad about not having anything worth defending.

Sorry to hear about your borders euroqueen

>>715429219
What a disgustingly anglo approach to subordinates. It's this sort of thinking that had the light brigade charging directly into russian artillery, despite any one of them being at least half-sober enough to discern how poor and idea it was.

>>715429553
honorable =/= morally good

and i didnt say "no room for morality"
also see >>715429500

>>715429431
>Although, the Republicans actually just started pushing a new bill that would cut it.
>>715421767


Time to clean the cesspool of scum, drain the swamp my lazy ass negroes

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>>715419117
merifats truly are the laughing stock of the world

>>715429267
oh, the serbs are combatants, no doubt. The question is whether or not they are "enemy" combatants, and what criterion defines such.
Is not "kebab removal" a social good? Is this not a valid reason to go to war?
What valid reason therefore exists for attacking serbs?

>>715429500
It also applies to the weapons we use and the tactics we employ.

Things like not blowing up a temple, mosque, or church. Not using microwave based weapons on known enemy encampments.

>>715419117
The draft is for if the army doesn't cut it in times of extreme war. But you're completely right, there is no way a worldwide war could ever happen, much less twice.

>Tl;dr OP is either one of the biggest retards around or is trollin

>>715429670
Must criticize the dominant culture, must criticize the dominant culture...

Keep going, it's working!

>>715429723
my original quote was a generalization, not meant for the serbs

war is only just if there is no room for diplomacy

>>715429670
Keep telling yourself you have it nice! Belief in a happy existence is important anon.

>>715429608

Sorry that I respect authority and do what is necessary to win at all costs even if lives must be sacrificed so that America may remain free. Hell, I'd deploy 83rd division wing and tell them to carpet bomb the fuckers and let them eat shit.

>>715419117
>>>/pol/

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>>715425846
Pic related

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>>715429806
>"dominant culture"
>too fat to impose its dominance on anyone

AH WARSH MUHHHSELF WITH A RAAAAG AWN A STIIIIICK.

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>>715430064
>the extremes are the average fallacy
>black and white fallacy
(you)

>>715430064
How come the UK children are more overweight than USA? Why are the adults also gaining so much more weight now and becoming completely dependent on food assistance in the UK?

>>715429663
I know you didn't, I was saying there isn't room to be moral. You said there is little room. When in such a such a situation nothing you are doing is morally just. And in my opinion there is no honor in unjust and immoral actions. Not arguing against you. Saying i disagree with people who think serving in the military is an honorable thing.

>>715429891
>do what is necessary to win at all costs
so I assume you'd charge the artillery batteries, then?
Even though you're well aware you'd have to pass through a valley covered on three sides by said artillery and about 20 battalions worth of russian line infantry?

>>715429825
And as a generalization, it fails, because it does not account for serbs.
So it seems there are limits to what we will and will not accept in wartime, yes?

>>715430183
Why don't you ask somebody who's from the UK, fat man?

>>715430207
serving in the military is honorable

doing vile, unprecedented, inhumane things in the military is not

i feel pride protecting the ones i love, i wouldnt feel proud killing others for no reason, you feel me?

>>715430269
war has no limit, im sorry but its true

>>715430356
Sure it does. A strange thing about wars is that, well, most of wars that have occurred have ended. Or maybe that's not strange. Apparently, they at least have a time limit of some sort, right?

>>715430326
And if "vile, unprecedented, and inhumane things" are what stand between you and getting information out of a prisoner who is to maintain silence for 24 hours, after which his comrades have already made any information he can render irrelevant?

>>715430562
there is no time limit, only a resource limit

both sides will fight until one of them expends resources to the point that they must surrender, or, fight until they are completely destroyed

>>715430703
And that is what occurred in the war of the first coalition, yes? Britain and Austria and Prussia were so low on resources that there was no way war could continue?
Or Vietnam? I suppose the states was out of bombs?

>>715430660
interrogation on enemy combatants is not immoral

if you think it is, please explain why, but do not use the terms 'dehumanize,' 'cruel,' or 'torture'

>>715430823
yes, this is what i stated, your point is?

>>715430660
then the information will be lost. On the other hand, humane and accepted acts of providing food, shelter, and medical care to prisoners of war have actually inspired some of them to share information.

>>715420609
Do it faggot

>>715430993
>share information
you mean lie

>>715431073
that is always a risk, no mater how you ask the question.
But a soldier that has been told you are nothing but heartless monsters suddenly being given better treatment after being captured than he had received from his own government has a high chance of turning coat

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>>715419117
I'll bite. There are certain countries that force a percentage of the population into the military by default. No draft, no fucking nothing. And you try to make fun of America for selective fucking service? You are truly dim.
>pic entirely unrelated, it's for all the spacies out there.

>>715431258
you do not insult an enemy, you interrogate it

force and knowledge of human physiological structures are key resources in this

>>715430326
Protecting the ones you love from what exactly? From another countries response to us invading them to make them Democratic? Attacks on US citizens seem to be largely a result of the us poking/creating hornets nests so to speak. War is mainly based for economic reason, if there wasn't money to be made out of it we wouldn't spend so much to do shit there, it's extremely profitable. I understand how you can take pride, no doubt man. but in reality as a country were greedy shitbags and the people who serve for it get the short end of the stick everytime.

>>715419117
Welp, we do this in Mexico too, it's called Military Service or something like that. Basically, if Mexico ever gets in a war (the odds are like 0.001%) we are required to defend our country if the Army ever needs more soldiers.

>>715431374
Fuck you. That's right. Fuck. You. I work and I pay my taxes. I bet you've never paid a single fucking tax in your life. You give me a country worth defending and maybe I'll pick up a fucking rifle for it. Until then, NOBODY drafts me. You got that through your fucking head, yet?

>>715431399
from danger, no matter what

if we are being attacked, i will fight, no matter what

if we must attack to preserve our country, i will fight

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>>715431556
new pasta?

>>715430870
Because, as was the case in the Algerian war, where this matter comes up, the interrogated were frequently non-combatants. The guerrilla moves amongst the people like a fish moves through the seas, and often the interrogated were those who, though not engaged in armed combat, engaged in low level support for algerian insurgents, like young boys passing messages between different cadres around the kasbah.
>>715430913
Well, it seems odd that those particular powers were able to mountain five more coalitions against the french, despite having exhausted themselves in the first one.
>>715430993
And what information will that be? Will it reveal where bombs are hiding, those around town part of this or that cell, can it? What information does it reveal to the captor, what is its use in conflict?
Believe me, I'm no opponent of what you propose, but I simply want you to elaborate.

>>715431398
first gulf war.. When it got out how we treated prisoners of war, there were mass surrenders by Iraqi solders willing to share information for food, water, and protection.

>>715431724
people who support the warfight are combatants, even if they are not infantry

those young boys are enemies, whether you like it or not

>>715431492
Like any other Latin American country, Mexico is pretty susceptible to civil war (though actually less than the rest, you lot are actually a lot nicer than folks let on), in which case the draft hits.
Though, flattery aside, I don't see Mexico having the Citizen-army that a draft kinda needs.

>>715431737
i do not understand how people can complain about how interrogation is done, but will not complain when US soldiers are executed by the enemy combatants

>>715431866
So I suppose you're preferential to the Sri Lankan model of COIN?

>>715431724
story from the first gulf war
>Forward army force getting ready to advance on enemy position.
>Iraqi soldiers come over the hill, marching in formation, with their hands up
>watching them advance for signs of trick
>whole formation is marching in step.
>whole formation changes direction of march 90 degrees.
>Formation changes direction again, resumes marching towards Americans.
--position of mine field now known

>>715419117
Wow you're really obsessed with Americans.

>>715429431
i dont know where you're getting your facts but SS is fucked. i spent most of my third year of law school studying it and other entitlement programs and its scary how bad of shape it is in.

>>715431999
I do complain. However, I feel we have a responsibility to maintain moral and civil behavior.

>>715419117
You don't know what cuckolding means? Or what service to your nation in time of empire building means? You fucking commie?

>>715432043
genocide? no

the killing of unarmed combatants? no

the killing of armed combatants? yes

>>715432178
why us, why do we have to be the ones to do so

>>715432073
Interesting, very interesting. I did not know this story. But it's a little limited.
I was under the impression that the treatment you spoke of was after capture. Could you perhaps elaborate on information garnered in that instance?

>>715431641
Im sure you will, it's how you were trained and conditioned. There's nothing wrong with that. Its something you will have to face yourself in the end, cause killing people who are fighting for the same cause you are, to preserve their country and protect their families, isn't something that's easy to live with. You will get nothing out of it but any excuse you can come up with to cope with it, but you'll still have to live with it.

>>715432321
yes, this is what will happen, the wheat will fall from the chaff, and the stronger will rise

>>715432204
>the killing of unarmed combatants? no
But you seemed very matter of fact on the matter of interrogating messenger boys. For further information, french methods of interrogation, at times outsourced to indigenous groups within a conflict, involved power tools. Exact figures for those who died under torture in the Algerian War is not available. However, Ireland, where torture was more well-documented (because of loose-lipped potato-munchers, proddy or papist), we find a game in which the constant escalation of methods leads to torture leading less to a mauled guy and more to a dead guy.

>>715432312
information provided by prisoners of war in the first gulf war included places to avoid because the elite troops were holding them, and positions that were held by draftees that were being left under supplied because of disrupted logistics. It helped speed the advance of troops and saved lives of Iraqi soldiers

>>715430309
I am asking you and now over half of Europe

>>715419117
I want to do away with the selective service and make it mandatory that every citizen serve a minimum of 3 years active service.

Yes you have to I didn't want to then I got a letter from the government telling me I could face jail time

>>715432485
Yes: the mentally unfit are sent to the frontlines, while anyone with a properly working brain works in procurement and supply chain management, or perhaps as a secretaries for the members of the general staff.

>>715432535
>argumentum ex silentio
also
>french methods

killing does not mean interrogating

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>>715432636
>removing individual freedom for a fixed portion of a person's life and subjecting them to a myriad of unknown factors which could result in their death, or worse, because "nationalism"

Know how I know you're a fucking retard? Why don't you just send people to prison for 3 years to be gangbanged by niggers, while you're at it?

>national service, ever

There is not a fucking incentive in the WORLD to study or learn a craft, if it involves the extremely high risk of one's testicles being blown off at any particular moment in time while doing so. Anyone who denies this irrefutable fact, should just go right ahead and destroy their testicles.

>>715432733
the mentally unfit are not drafted

UK fag here. Being brutally honest, I'd never take up arms for queen and country, fuck them. Fairly certain the queen is a useless old bag that does literally fuck all and is the biggest benefit sponge in the country. And the UK is a shit hole. Our politicians are all retarded shitmeisters.
I have no problem fighting to protect myself but I refuse to fight for a country out of some sort of deluded patriotism

The draft was a good thing for young men. It was a Right-Of-Passage and it limited the amount of Beta-Fags that are created.

>>715432834
If you don't sign up for selective service by time you're 26 you can't get a government job or government college loans or a lot of stuff.

>>715432834
Why don't you try defending the country instead of ruining it. Then maybe people like me would agree not to have it. But You won't because you think less of those that do and that defend the freedoms you enjoy. If we ever do get into a real war and they invade I will not hesitate to terminate the liberals and the scum within my country that that have done nothing but leach off the blood that myself and others have shed to defend it.

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>>715433409
>ruining it

Oh, by working a steady job, paying my taxes on time and never breaking any laws? Tell me, son, how that in essence is "ruining" a nation.

>>715432599
Ah, well, that's a good answer, and I do believe it demonstrates the value of such treatment for the rest of the thread.
Thank you. I owe you beer.

>>715433492
Talking shit, wanting to let more illegals in, turning a blind eye when corruption in the government does shit like the DNC did, allowing people like Hillary get away with the bullshit she has done, hating whites and calling them all racist , wanting to allow terrorists to flood in and basically destroy the white race.

>>715432807
If we're discussing actually-existing conflict, it goes without saying that there is data that is unavailable to us, either because it is not available or because there was no reason to collect it. And that aside, military theorists and historians use examples of different conflicts to clarify other conflicts all the time. There's good reason to assume power tools work the same in Ireland as they do elsewhere.
The acceptable answer out of you would have been to point out the different goals of torture in both instances, I'd have been in a bit of a bind if you'd pointed out the irish being into torture for the torture more so than information.

>>715432849
Sure they are, insofar as I use mentally unfit to refer to anyone not smart enough to work in more education-intensive roles.
It wasn't serious, it was more of a flamebait for those who forget about the parts of war that don't involve marching.

>>715433409
Last i checked we are the people invading other countries to begin with. If you throw the first punch, your attacking not defending. I will agree that liberalism is disagreeable, but people have the right to believe what they want. Its when they force their views upon others through law is what ticks my tock.

>>715434106
What's wrong with forcing your views on others? I mean, the states is rather bad at it, but that doesn't mean everyone else is.
Part of the reason that the french in the napoleonic era was able to continue campaign across Europe was because, as it marched, it gained manpower. A lot of people preferred the napoleonic code to the feudal institutions it trampled.

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>>715433704
I haven't mentioned a single one of those, however. What I *have* mentioned, is that in no way am I ever going to jeopardize everything I've worked and studied extremely hard for, to pick up a rifle and fight alongside complete and utter retards I've never met, for the interests of old men I'll never meet, and have my cojones removed completely by people I would otherwise never have to shoot.

How does that make you feel, son? A conservative who isn't an ultra-nationalist? That MUST make you feel uncomfortable.

>>715432485
So a new generation of wheat can rise to compete for the same resources. Until all the resources are used up and the wheat plant can no longer thrive or survive. All that's left for the wheat plant is that it lasted longest, but the quality of life the wheat plant focused on is survival and not using it's only time on the earth for the quality of its own life. The only thing that matters in life is experiences had in the duration you are given, everything else is subjective. I enjoyed the civilized conversation sir, doesn't happen much on /b anymore.

>>715434307
At the point of forcing someone with conservative views to abide by a socialist law, the conservative no longer has means of freedom of political ideologies, because liberalism is being forced upon him. At that point there is no freedom anymore, cause you no longer have a choice.

>>715434313
Well, why not? Wittgenstein did. And not for just any army, but the Austro-Hungarian, an army worse than the Italian. And not just any war, but the first world war, a really stupid war as far as wars go. He had a bit of fun.
So dying for no particularly good reason must have some appeal.

>>715420216
Dual citizen here too

>>715434307
And if your forcing your views unto another country, you are not defending your country, you're attacking one that's already established.

>>715419117
Yes you have to sign up. But it's unlikely the draft will return short of WW3 breaking out, and that will be a pretty short fuckin' war.

>>715435097
This is the middle east we're talking about, where out-and-out socialism seemed like it was going to win out for a bit from the 50s to the early 80s. When these regional socialist powers were fighting middle eastern enemies that weren't Israel and the Taliban, they did quite well.
Although it may be more accurate to say that their opponents in the region simply did quite poorly. Man, I fucking tell ya, the PLO threw ww2 vintage T-34's at Israeli Merkava's in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. They didn't even really throw it at the Merkava's, Israeli air power fucked it up before any such engagements could occur. That was dumbass shit right there.
But that's a digression. What I'm trying to say is that social conservatism is not inherent to the region any more than any other region in the world.

>>715435355
Well, if it results in a bunch of dutch people coming to the conclusion that William V was a piece of shit and that albion was the most perfidious of all european nations, I fail to see what the problem is.

>>715435557
I was referring to here in the states, where people scream of freedom and ignorance, yet work to destroy what we already have. But i can agree with your digression to the Middle East developments pre-20th century. Still doesn't mean i can't dislike liberals who want to raise my taxes so they can get more benefits whilst i work everyday and get less and less. I would enjoy to keep on the debate, but it's almost 3am and i gotta work in 4 hours. So I'm peace'n it