Tell me why some people want to change gender. What does having

changing genitals doesnt help their mental illness

>>715389410
It's a personality disorder and they believe classifying themselves as something else will solve it.

>>715389490
Not talking about the mentally retarded crossdressing fags on here, mostly talking about people like Cuntlyn Jenner who said he'd be happier if he had a vagina and tits. Why the fuck does that help him? How does having those influence his life? Is there an actual mental illness with people that want to change sex?

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>>715389410
>What does having different genitals bring to you that simply changing the way you live doesn't?

You mean other than being able to have vaginal sex? It makes wearing panties significantly more comfortable.

>Clothing, the way of thinking and plenty of other shit is simply socially constructed, then why can't you just break those "walls" that society built and live the way your brain wants to live instead of thinking that having some other genitals will help you?

We do all that stuff too.

>>715389764
That actually makes sense. So you say that they are influenced by a mental illness? Like schyzophrenia?

>>715389867
You are saying that some people that change sex are simply doing it to feel vaginal sex?

>>715389867

>panties aren't comfortable
>better have major fucking surgery.

it really is a mental illness

>>715389410
That is transgender. The gender part referring to the behaviors normally associated with the sexes.

I think you mean transsexual which is an attempt to transition between the biological sexes. That is much more rare.

>>715390369
Made it clearer, kek

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If you're legitimately curious about those who are transgender, here's a link to a bunch of information from the /lgbt/:

>>>/lgbt/7372798

I assume you already have an opinion though, and this is really your way to push a narrative disguised as curiosity. If that's the case, no amount of posting here will realistically change your find so there's no point.

The best discussions are from people that have a limited grasp of their subject and a lot of opinionated bullshit to fill in the gaps.

>>715390613
But what about those rare cases? I think it's more common than you think. But it is still exactly about thoses "rare" cases that I have been wondering.

>an attempt to transition
So are you saying it's impossible to really change gender? Or that it's not ok?

>>715390829
>>715390920
I have seen a lot of post-op anons and cross-dressing people here, I thought it might have been a good place

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>>715390057
>>715389410

Men do it because it makes them horny to fetishise women. Tons of guys get major hard ons cross dressing, so there is one aspect.

The other one :Women have it so great they can't be disagreed with for looking out for their own interests and constantly claiming to be victims. This is the numale dream.

The third major one is men tired of being without women, attention, and female attention, The sex change lands them all three in spades.

Jenner just had a fetish for hair and makeup, didn't think any deeper than that before having surgery.

http://people.com/celebrity/caitlyn-jenner-the-advocate-cover-more-to-being-a-woman-than-hair-makeup/

go to LGBT board, so many threads about I'm still unhappy after the change, now what. Trans have a huge suicide rate and are even more emotional attention whores than natural women, which is nearly impossible.

>>715390057
What I listed was auxiliary reasons. The main reason, which I thought was obvious, is that they hate having a penis because they feel hating one is a mistake.

>>715391154
>treat trans people like shit
>make sure they can't housing or a job
>make sure they can't even use public bathrooms
>"lol why are transpeople so depressed?"

Changing gender = acting like the opposite sex.

Gender is whatever you perform like.

OP here, from what I have seen, you're almost describing a mental illness, if not, describing one. Not necessarily a bad one, but a curable one. Like schyzophrenia, with different stages and depth. Just for disclaimer: I am not judging, simply trying to understand why people go though such a major surgery to change their gender.

>>715391947
Gender is a biological fact; men have penises and XY chromosomes and women have vaginas, tits and XX chromosomes. You can change the penis and vagina part but you still can't change a whole fucking set of chromosomes so why bother?
Unless you're talking about the recent vocabulary change that dicates that sex and gender are two different things.

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>>715391965
The DSMV lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. The suggested treatment is transition.

>>715392417
I am not familiar with the DSMV, what it that?

>>715392281
Sex and gender are two different things and transgender people have always existed.

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>>715392281
So these are all men? They were born with vaginas but have XY chromosomes.

>>715392417
It's worth pointing out that not all trans people experience dysphoria.

>>715392575
From Wikipedia:
"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) is the 2013 update to the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) classification and diagnostic tool. In the United States the DSM serves as a universal authority for psychiatric diagnoses."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5

>>715392622

No these are medical anomalies with birth defects.

>>715392653
Well sure but transition isn't medically recommended in those cases as there are side effects to transition.

>>715392836
Thank you

>>715392653
>>715392989
Do these people suffer dysphoria before or after the surgery?

>>715392622
The fatter one in the middle looks like a gringo dude actually.

>>715392591
>Sex and gender are two different things
only to mentally ill people

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>>715392882
So you believe that exceptions exist to the rule set out, yet you can't believe that being transgender can't be another exception? We can isolate physical features of the brain exclusive to cis females in transgender females' brains.

>>715392622
>>715392882
Kind of like people born without limbs, shit happens mate

>>715393162
They don't get surgery at all. They may socially transition but there's no reason to medically transition without a medical disorder.

>>715393529
It could still be a birth defect from what I understand? Kind of like autistic people born with parts of the brain over and underdevelopped?

>>715393529
you wanna get sick people and tell them that they arent sick, that its perfectly fine to be fucked up, and wanna be praised like you are a good person for doing so
you are the worst kind of disgusting prick

>>715393796
>without a medical disorder
Medical disorder caused by a mental disorder?

>>715393303
also to the entire discipline of sociology and psychology. Are you discounting them?

You sound like a science denier.

>>715393908
Well they have female brains. I wouldn't describe the female brain as underdeveloped, but you got the point.

>>715393953
No, I want to get sick people help. Transition helps. Studies have shown that discouraging transition almost guarantees they'll kill themselves.

>>715389410
I think you're buying into this social construct thing a little too deeply, fucktard.

>>715394377
no, I love science, thats why I disregard idiotic approaches like sociology, psychology, gender studies and all the faggotry you seem to have high regards about

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>>715389410
>top kek

>>715394377
It's conspiracy, like global warming and the moon landing.

>>715394577
you dont wanna get anyone help
all you want is to be seen like some faggot that defends retarded minorities, because your peers deem that like a social desired trait

>>715394377
That's not science denying. Sociology is a libtards free ride to a useless degree. And psychology is more conman tactics than science. It's why it's widely used in politics and schools these days to create a hive mind of agreement

You may have meant psychiatry. But even that trash was, almost entirely, put together by a guy with an Oedipus complex and thought the world revolved around cock.

>>715394590
>I love science
>Sociology and psychology disregarded

Wow you're approaching high levels of retardation. Don't cancer up this thread too much.

>>715394590
I agree with what you're saying but I feel like psychology is science too. It works with the fact that te brain works in the same kind of way in certain types of individuals.

>>715394978
You don't actually know what psychology is. Yikes.

>>715394577
So female brains reject the idea of having a penis? Sounds like a mental illness to me.

>>715395136
I don't see anything wrong with that
go be a fag back in tumblr

>>715395156
it isnt
it rejects any science approach on their studies to push ideology and agenda bullshit

>>715395341
Psychology and Sociology are sciences. Denying them is denying science which makes the denier no better than any bibletard flat earther.

>>715395514
Your tinfoil hat is slipping off. Better order more supplements from Alex Jones.

>>715394978
>put together by a guy with an Oedipus complex and thought the world revolved around cock.

You do realize no one regards Freud's findings today as valid? He was first to really study the human psyche, but we don't teach his findings.

>>715394911
What would help them then, oh great enlightened one?

Completely driving off the subject here, thread is now kill. RIP in peace

>>715395668
As he said, transition helps.

>>715395573
again, only retarded faggots regards those 2 sack of shit as science
Denying that makes you no better than any hairy armpit colored hair landwhale tumblerina

>>715395827
Where's your proof?

>>715395722
maybe that was the idea all along

>>715395250
You don't understand what it is.

"yikes" asshole. I walked out on a psychology degree over ten years ago because it's bullshit.

>>715395332
I never said it wasn't. We've been through this. The treatment to this illness is transitioning.

I'm a woman who has struggled with gender dysphoria ever since I understood what separates women and men.. socially, romantically, physically, emotionally..
There is a part of me that feels sad that I'll never have a beard or a deep voice. It's always been there. I watched my brothers grow up in a completely different world than me. They experienced changes to their bodies and to their own psyches that I'll never be able to replicate.
I try to talk to guys at my job the same way they talk to each other.. Try to form friendships with those people, but it's never what I want. I'm always a girl trying to be a dude. I'm always exceptional for liking the things I like just because they're male dominated and I hate being some outstanding example. I'm attractive to the guys that I want to just form genuine friendships with
I just want to know what a friendship with someone who thinks like me is like.. where the friend doesn't eventually want to fuck me...
I care about masculinity. I find joy in my own masculine traits.. I'm not sure if I'm fucked in the head, but I feel like these feelings are not something I've deluded myself into experiencing. I've went months, maybe years without thinking about my gender but eventually something will happen that reminds me of what I'm not capable of


Also the thought of being pregnant or being a mother makes me physically sick

>>715395942
No, it wasn't OP's idea all along. I know it because...
I is OP

>>715395668
You do realise you are almost 100% bullshitting to sound intelligent, don't you?

>>715396073
who said I was talking about op ?
also OP is always the biggest fag on thread

>>715395972
Or you're too stupid to understand it. I think that's more likely, fuckboy.

>>715396002
Have you tried talking to someone qualified about that? Meybe you could get more answers and solutions?

>>715396165
Then why would it have become to this? Without OP's post, none of this would have been possible. Are you saying there is a greater force that influences us to turn this thread into a science debate?

>>715396236
most of the "qualified" people are exactly the ones who will fuck up her life

a cat cant ever be a bird, it was born a cat
no matter how many times you tell it that its ok to be a bird, it'll never work
cutting his front legs and sewing wings on its back wont make it a bird either, and will aslo fuck him up forever from being a cat
it'll always be a monster as long as it keeps denying the true nature, that it was born a cat

deal with it

>>715396414
wow you really are too dumb to read between the lines

>>715396519
That analogy was so shitty it gave me cancer

>>715396519
I know but I meant psychological help, from people that know how the brain works and how to help it. The same that help schyzophreniacs and depressive people

Changing gender isn't changing your genitals. That's a strawman my friend.

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>>715396519
>comparing gender to species

>>715396592
No fucking way you fell for that...

>>715396804
Okay off-topic post, but you to realize you're spelling schizophrenia wrong, right?

>>715396002
>>715396519

with that, I mean, you could have had true friendships, if you werent distracted pretending to be a guy, trying to be something you are not
unfortunately there are things we all have to deal with in our lives
a friend wanting to fuck is something we all need to learn how to deal with
being pregnant or a mother is scary, sure
as sure as there are plenty of things for boys that can be scary for them, you never stopped to think about that, you just want to avoid your fears and thought that embracing this sickness would help you there

>>715396701
good

>>715389410
Met a transgender. Turns out hes also schitzophrenic

Met a closet gay guy. Calls himself bi. Now he calls himself a twink. Hes very depressed

What the fuck are wrong with these people?

>>715396519
A monster I'd like to fuck

>>715396916
Replace some words by "penis" and "vagina" and some thers by "male" and "female" and voilà, it makes more sense.

>>715397089
Didn't realize but I was also too lazy to open a new tab and search it. Thanks

>>715396804
for sure, thats the hard part, distinguishing between the people that can actually help you from the ones that will only plunge you deeper in the sickness

>>715397208
When society treats you shitty for something you can't help it can weigh on you eventually after a whole lifetime.

>>715397217
MILF

>>715397208
I don't know wether it's the society that makes them that way by rejecting them or simply that their brain is fucked up and it fucks up most aspects of their lives

>>715397345
I dont know what to say. It just goes to show how important it is to be honest with yourself. Its just odd how much mental illness appears in these types of people. Surely they arent all like this?

>>715397498
Well not all trans folk are schizophrenic and not all schizophrenics are trans. Not all depressed people are gay, not all gays are depressed, etc.

>>715397498
its easier to blame some intangible shit than it would be to take responsibilities
so society it is for those fags

>>715396236
Yes and no. I haven't been to a gender therapist because transitioning seems way more fucking stressful right now.
I've talked to a therapist and a psychiatrist about it and they agree I have gender dysphoria, but since I haven't asked to transition they haven't recommended any meds or further counseling. Really, I just want to avoid it because of the animosity surrounding transgender people

If we develop synthetic bodies in my life time I'll be happy.. otherwise I'll just be sitting here preaching about how gender dysphoria is a serious fucking thing and that societally conditioning people to adhere to gender norms is probably the cause of a lot of the world's issues.. not that there's anything wrong with embodying those norms, but more so that it's damaging to impose them strictly on biological sex.

>>715397115
You're wrong.
I've tried ignoring it. I've been happy before. I'll be completely fucking stable and then someone will treat me in a way that reminds me of how the world actually views me. I've made very few friendships with people in the past but more often than not those friends are very non sexual, non romantic people.

>>715397498
>>715397345

Replied to myself like an idiot

>>715397669
Not even me holy crap i need a breather. Lord halp me

>>715397660
ignoring is not a healthy way to deal with anything that is troubling someone, be it a sickness or not

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>>715397223
>A child being born has a 50% chance of male and 50% of being female
>cats has a 0% chance of being a bird at birth

But no your analog is totally waterproof.

>>715398032
a girl has 0% of chance being born male
a boy has 0% chance of being born a female

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>>715389410
Trannies want to have their cake and eat it too. Male to female are the fucking worst. They want to be women only when it suits them, i.e. only when they can play dress up and act like the cunts we all know and hate. But when it comes to the hard parts, like the glass ceiling, childbirth, menstruation, et al suddenly they can just whip their clothes right off and go back to being men again. Must be nice to be able to change genders when its convenient. inb4 you knowitall faggots try to refute this, its coming from personal experience. I have tons of stories about my brother in law wasting his child support on the hormone therapy that ended up killing him.

>>715390613
>biological sexes
>the definition of "gender"
u fucking wot m8?

>>715397660
And how does the world views you? If you say "as a girl" and take it as a bad thing, you're not helping yourself. You are a woman, that's fact. You embraced the idea of being a male, that's another. You shouldn't mix these two in your everyday life because look what it does. Makes you feel bad about you and yourself. You shouldn't. I know it might be easier to say than do. I have always wanted to be tall and muscular when I grew up. Sadly, I am not. Being 6' and wheighing 140 pounds max reminds me of it. I know I can do much to help my case, gym and nutrition won't work. Society views me as a small (not so in height) dude, but that's how I am. I instead focused on the things I could change and be happy about it. Took me a while to realize society isn't that harsh on you except if you are harsh on yourself first.

>>715398032
True
>>715398153
But this tho

>>715398786
this is what being sane is

>>715398153
I agree. The issue lies in how you define "male" and "female".

>>715396002
You're over-thinking it by A LOT. Guys don't give a shit about your gender unless you bring it up constantly in an effort to prove yourself somehow. Stop getting offended by shit like this and they'll start treating you like someone who doesn't get offended by shit like this. Chances are they don't give you much thought beyond the interactions they have with you. "I'm always a girl trying to be a dude" is just you projecting an insecurity onto the world around you, manifesting issues where there aren't any in an attempt to justify your tom boy traits. And on that note, you're probably the only one applying "masculine" and "feminine" adjectives to the shit you like. You like what you like, big fucking deal. That's not gender dysphoria. Thats personal preferences. We ALL have them.

>>715389410
So what about people with other disorders. How bout people that have sex with objects and wanna marry them? Is that ok? Where do we draw the line with what is a mental disorder and what is normal?

>>715399805
if we can use them to push an agenda, its not a disorder, its perfectly normal :^)

>>715389410
Dunno man. I just dislike my dick and i want to get pounded in the pussy. It isn't like there is a way to treat this mental condition.

There are a lot of memes on 4chan about trans people. Like that one where they say that we couldn't get a girlfriend and that's why we want to have sex with men. But those are just memes

Also, this kind of talk seems like a waste of time for me. Everybody can do whatever they want as long as they don't harm others.

>>715399805
The only people who throw around "mental disorder" willy nilly are the people who have no experience with mental disorders. There are people out there hearing voices. "I think I'm a guy" is the LEAST of a psychiatrists problems.

>>715400352
bullshit
Ive been diagnosed with a mental disorder and I do believe all this gender faggotness is another mental disorder
you dont know shit about the rest of the world
deal with it

>>715400281
I just wanted to know how people that were uncomfortable with their sex felt like. I understand gays, bi, pans and others but it just felt illogical that someone would want to get rid of their genitals for some others

>>715389410
Quick easy answer to your question OP is for me its about

>the fact I really do want to be male, not a female playing pretend. I know no matter what I do, nothing will change the base genetics of it and Ill never be a normal guy so I havent tried to get surgeries or whatever
But thats why Id want to, to get a little closer to that unattainable goal

>recognition from others

When other people/real life stuff makes it obvious I am most certainly not male it kind of pulls me away from my "default"

It just feels very wrong

Though hormones are the things that "fix" this problem moreso than genital surgery

Im also not retarded. Gender isnt "constructed", in each species the male and female play different roles. In humans these different roles are even further apart than other species like say, wolves. If aliens touched down, at first glance theyd assume the males and females of humans to be entirely different but related species. The way our bodies and brains work is very different.

I dont know if my issues are self-constructed or a "natural" illness, but perhaps if it is a natural illness (ex bipolar disorder) then the issue is that either I perceive myself as male and then feel "wrong" when I am not. If its socially constructed, then the issue is likely that I personally put the "male role and traits" on a pedestal, so I feel like Im robbed or somehow less by being female.

I got a question for you all regular people. Obviously youre very sure youre a male/female. Would it bother you if tomorrow you woke up with the opposite genitals? Nothing else will have changed, you are still male/female in every other sense and the same person.

>>715400281
1st thing would be to accept you dont have a pussy
there are ways to treat your mental condition, but going to a guy that will say its all a social construct isnt one of them

>>715400352
Im not defending nor attacking, but just because there are more serious disorders, doeesnt mean something isnt one.... just saying, bad argument

>>715400553
Im trans, trust me this is not a mental disorder. You just have a closed mind

>>715400686
I think I would feel the same as if I suddenly wake up with an elephant head instead of my human one
how would you feel about that ?

>>715400980
whatever you say faggot
Im not the one who will end up suiciding because the rest of the world doesnt see me as I want them to

>>715400553
>I've been diagnosed with a mental disorder
So has everyone else that comes here. Including me and members of my immediate family. The fuck was your point here?

>>715401234
Its because your opressing me

>>715400767
And just because you self diagnose it to BE a mental disorder doesn't ACTUALLY mean its a mental disorder. It's just someone grasping at ANYTHING that'll make them seem unique. If the professionals we pay to do this shit for a living come out and say "its not a mental disorder", then its not a fucking mental disorder and unless you faggots HAVE PhDs in psychiatry, who the fuck are you to disagree with them?

>>715401492
Hahahahahahha come on seriosly?

>>715400686
First to answer your question, it would feel like I am in the wrong body since it is exactly what happened. Perhaps a mental disorder since I am not in the proper body that I think would better for me. I would still accept the fact that this is how I am now and no natural changes could occur to change it.

For a second scenario, let's imagine that I woke up completely changed as I have become a female overnight. At first, it would bother me, but only for a while. Being born as the opposite sex would force me to accept the fact that this is how I am from now on and nothing could change it. How the world, the society and/or my friends view me would be a completely different thing. Women and men are different, that is a fact. Society would view me as a female from now on and they would be right because that is exactly what I'd be. There is no shame to have or anything.

Second, please refer to this as how other people deal with how society view them and how they accepted the fact that you can not always be what you want to be.
>>715398786

>>715401387
so go on
maybe I wont be there to oppress you on the next life

>>715400980
Why did you want a sex switch? Explain why you couldn't deal with yourself and had to access surgery to do so.

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>>715401666
Yeah, seriously.

>>715400736
Most of the gender defining objects are a social construct. Look at clothing for example. Biological sex is not socially constructed.

>>715390829
/lgbt/ is cancer

>>715401492
oh noes, why the guys we are paying wont say that this isnt the way to treat them ?
I cant see why
can you guys ?

>>715402021
I was born a male, but im a girl. Its simple, i needee my body to be what i was meant to be

>>715391154
How about females that become male?

I think Jenner did it for attention, not necessarily because he knew at the time being female is easier

Even the mentally ill think your pic related is insane

>>715402352
kek

>>715400624
Ah no prob man.

It really sucks to be like this. I can't even masturbate without keep thinking about that piece of meat between my legs. For example, imagine that you're fucking a 10/10 girl, but you have a vagina and you're stimulating your clitoris, sooner or later your "masturbation session" will be ruined by this thoughts that you have a fucking hole between your legs and you will never fuck a girl. Unless you're a lesbian.

>>715390057
/lgbt/ is terrible, and you're right, it's full of attention whores that want to be physically perfect, but in real life not all are like that. You only notice the ones that make more noise

>>715400736
>there are ways to treat your mental condition
No there aren't (at least for now). You will never remove these kind of thoughts from your mind. You're born like this and you will have to endure it for the rest of your life.

>>715402352
are you a girl now ?

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>>715402401
bullshit

>>715392653
Yes they do, fuck off with your "not all trans people actually feel bad about being their current gender, they just 'kinda wish they were the other one' and somehow that is enough to mean they have a serious mental problem that affects their life"

Jesus Christ, by your definition we might as well say gender doesnt exist because anyone at any time could claim they feel like x at the moment

The diagnostic criteria can not be
"Because they feel like it."

>>715391154
Degenerate cross dressing fetishist here, can confirm. Also want to live on tutorial mode.

>>715402326
Yeah you're right. PhDs and degrees don't even matter anymore when you're anon anonson from whereverthefuckville. You automatically know everything there is to know about anything whatsoever. Why trust professionals anymore? We can just come to you to solve all our fucking problems since you OBVIOUSLY know what you're doing in life.

>>715400980
>>715402352

You sound like a falseflagging troll (and a cheap one at that). But still, i will answer like if you're really are a trans. What really defines what we are? our body or our mind?, i think both. We are the result of something going wrong during the pregnancy, like those people who are born without legs or blind (thank god i just have sexual dysphoria). BUT, nobody can tell you how you have to live, as long as you aren't hurting anyone, everybody has to respect that.

>>715402562
hahah, which one are you?

>>715402401
Can you forget those thoughts? It is easier to say than to do, I am aware. What I mean is you are a male, why can't you accept that? I am skinny and tried everything to gain mass. Didn't happen. I accepted that fact. Is there something I'm missing out?

>>715402897
that is not what he said, but the funny part is you would probably have a bigger chance of dealing with your problem his way than the phony doctors you praise so much

>>715401096
Probably pretty shocked and like my life is upside down

Id get used to it but I would miss my normal head

>>715401818
Youre assuming a few things here. You wouldnt miss how you used to be at all? Sure, youd get used to it, just like I am obviously used to my life. But you wouldnt miss the old life you had, or want it sometimes?

I agree it would be correct of society to treat you like a woman when you look like a woman, its the natural way of things. But thats why transgender people transition, so they look like x and then get treated like x, because it feels more normal/less wrong than the other way.


Theres a few articles, I dont have links on hand, from the POV of mtf/ftm who have transitioned and they talk about a sort of "culture shock" because the world around you is so drastically different.

>>715391633
They choose to be trans, near all of them just look like complete abominations unless they did hormones before or during puberty.

>>715403267
WebMD is not a way to deal with any problem.

>>715403321
so why cant you get used to the body you were born with ?

>>715396002
I can relate to watching your brothers grow up around you and wanting that bad

I have a brother younger by a few years, and when he hit puberty, got tall, got a man voice, got a patchy mustache...It just fucking hurt so bad.

People always said we looked like twins when we were much younger, so hes probably a very close image to what Id look like were I male. Feels like I got robbed sometimes.

>>715403394
never said it was

the way you chose doesnt work, thats what Im saying

>>715403569
you cant be robbed of something you were never supposed to have in the 1st place

you are just jealous because he got something that you arent going to have, and now you want it badly

and all this time you ignored the things you could have, and haven seen the beauty in them

>>715403421
I dont know, thats the illness isnt it? Ask a schizoid why they cant be normal. If I knew Id have fixed it.

Im used to myself and everything in the sense that most of the time it simply isnt on my mind. I dont spend every waking second thinking about my body, no one does unless they have some other unrelated issue
Its when I do think about it, when I see what I cant be, that really bothers me
Its this weird sense of "rightness"
It would just "feel right" if I were male
I can look in the mirror and see "real me" behind "fake me" sometimes

To be entirely honest, transgender might be a branch of schizophrenia or some other thing
Im also autistic, and oddly enough autistic females are more likely to have gender issues

>>715403110
I think we can. But we will have to just drop everything that has to be with love and sexual stuff (i don't think that's healthy). When i'm mentally focused at something like my business or my family and friends i don't even think about it, but as soon as i see a couple in the streets exchanging love or watch a romantic movie or get aroused by something; those nasty thoughts come back.

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>>715403388
>choosing to be treated like shit, lose out on housing and jobs, and no even be able to use public restrooms.

>>715403865
Well I dont feel robbed by him but by luck and chance

You could definitely say I ignored what I had, but when I felt this way since 5 it seems like the sort of innate feelings about it that are difficult to change

>>715390369
kek

>>715403989
but you just said you'd accept the elephant head and live with that

I asked why can you accept the elephant head and cant accept your original body ?


and yeah, that is the mental illness, easy for everyone to see

>>715403682
Going to a fucking doctor doesn't work? Then spoiler: you're going to the wrong fucking doctors. Find a new one and stop trusting someone random arrogant faggot just because he SOUNDS like he knows what hes talking about even though all hes doing is spouting pseudoscience in a condescending tone. If your doctors give you the cold shoulder, its because thats the only way to snap you out of a victim complex that enables your shit tier problem to continue. Either that or they have bigger fish to fry than sitting there listening to you say "I was just born into the wrong body". Their job isn't to hold your hand and say "poor you". Their job is to solve your fucking problem but they can't if you dont want the problem solved. Which is probably why your problem continues to exist. You aren't treating it, you're coddling it to feel special. Thats why your treatment never works.

>>715403321
Of course I would miss my old life but that is just not how I would be anymore. Also, did you have a different life before realizing you did not like your body?

>>715404199
>What is not transitioning for 300, Alex?

>can never really be what you want to be
>99% of the world will not ever be able to love you
>your kids will probably grow up with some major issues
>be treated like shit
>estranged from family
>lose out on housing and jobs
>public restrooms
>etc

Ive just decided to be me, and not care about it. It doesnt have to be the deciding factor of my life, its not like most of my daily activities require me thinking deeply about the state of my gender

>>715404199
they still chose it
no one said they made a wise choice
maybe the mental disorder paired with crook leftists sjw telling them its alright clouded their minds

>>715389410
I can't say the word nigger without feeling an overwhelming sense of white privilege.

>>715404581
who are you arguing with ? are you sure you quoted the right person ?

>>715404518
I am accepting it, I'm

>>715404674

If it were an easy fix Id go for it because why not at that point. It isnt though, like the elephant head would not be fixable, so I am pretty fine in my daily life.

>>715404979
thing is
the "fix" doesnt fix shit

and fags and sjw people try to bash whoever says so

>>715404979
To add

I was not talking about myself so much

I was answering OP really, why other transgender people might transition - their feelings and motives behind it. Maybe some people had shitty therapists, or they just are too unstable to accept it. I personally think more trans people should accept as they are, a lot of people in life are dealt shitty hands but are happy anyway and we can do that as easily. All the push behind letting kids fuck themselves up should be a push for better mental health people.

I sort of despise all these trans people who will get offended over wrong pronouns, theyre choosing to live the most complicated and irritating lives possible, they choose to let everything around them be an issue. I didnt talk to anyone about it until I met my SO, I got more mature, I realized theres more to life than having a dick. If I want to feel like a man I will do manly things.

>>715405160
Exactly right, "if" it were an easy fix. It isnt at all, it fixes damn near nothing.

Myabe in 1000 years it can work out, with the advancements we will have had. Now though, its a foolish decision to me

>>715404674
>>715404688
Perhaps we can make the world less hostile so they don't have to choose between hating themselves or society hating them?

>>715405434
I agree with you, but I think the whole trying to change approach is wrong
the fix to me is not trying to change the sex to fit the fact that you feel wrong
to me the right fix would be to find out why you feel wrong, what causes you to feel that way, and find a way to deal with the fact that you cant be what those feels are telling you to be

the whole point of this to me is being able to accept things and move on
and its exactly where all the sjw and political correctness bullshit does more harm than good

>>715405616
Maybe, but there was a push for that and now its too extremes

Liberals took it way too fucking far and now all transpeople are part of their group think or are to be hated
Anything that insinuates anything bad about transpeople is death

and

Conservatives who (perhaps as a result of the above grew more radical in this?) who say "day of the rope when" in response to transgender people

>>715405616
perhaps
perhaps the world IS hostile

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>caring this much about how other people live their own lives.