Hey /b/ Do any of you have experience with Krav Maga? I'm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGpDVCkhtD4

get a gun

>>715350568
Krav maga is a joke. Boxing and bjj and you'll be fine

>>715350568
BUMP
Interested in this too

>>715350568
learn knife fighting

>>715350640
>BJJ
2 guys attack you, you're dead. BJJ is useless for defence
Boxing can be nice to improve your strenght and reflex maybe some good moves.

Krav Maga is a real good way to defend yourself

>>715350843
I don't wanna go to prison/carry a knife everywhere

>>715351224
in prison you can get some sweet tats though. plus all the ass you want

>>715351095
If two guys attack you, you lose whether you know Krav Maga or jiu jitsu.

If you want to learn how to fight, learn the stuff that works on the most dangerous men alive. Learn that shit that works on killers.

BJJ + boxing

>>715350568
HU-YAHHHHH OP SCREAMS AT HIS OPPONENTS

>>715351095
This isn't motherfucking double dragon. Your odds are good if two guys come at you, you're gonna get fucked up.

>>715351500
>Learn that shit that works on killers
Please elaborate

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>>715350568
start sucking dicks.
Sounds weird I know.
But think about the following:
You are in a club someones going for your girlfrind.
You just go straight up to him and pull his pants down! And. Start. Sucking. He will be so suprised and after a good bj he will stop harassing your girlfrind but will kill you instead.

>be a hero

>>715351843
Which part confuses you?

>>715351684
>>715351500 when i said jiu jitsu i meant BJJ

but you're wrong krav maga can teach you how to beat 2 guys, even 2 guys with knives

>>715350640
How is krav magra a joke if the top special ops teams the world are highly trained to use it? Are the Navy Seals and Spetsnaz a joke? Lmao

>>715352021
There is no magical fighting style that will teach how to easily fight two men. In order to do that you have to be far better at fighting than both men. No fighting style will change that.

>>715352090
See
>>715350636
And then stop typing

>>715352021
>krav maga can CLAIM TO teach you
fix'd

1v1 bjj; nothing else comes close, go fuck yourselves
2v1 boxing; because footwork, establishing distance, keeping range with jabs, and picking your shots to finish attackers with 0 head movement

krav maga is to teach grandma how to kick a rapist in the balls

I do muay thai and I'd say it only takes about 2 years to get a good grasp of it. It's more of a mental thing when it comes to being the aggressor, as in you know you could probably defend yourself if things did escalate but the only way it will save you from multiple attackers is building up your cardio for running away

>>715351959
Works on killers in a controlled environment, or in a real world situation?

Cause if you're talking about UFC fighters who've killed or something it doesnt have any relevance here, as that's one on one and with rules that are enforced - both things that may not be the csse in a real-world situation

>>715352177
this regards ex special forces soldier

>>715352231
That's a fucking retarded argument. They're still not going to use something that doesn't work well. Obviously if they teach people Krav Maga or elements of it, it's because they think it'll be useful. You think you know better than Spec Ops people? Lol

>>715352339
>Used by the most elite special forces on the planet
>Mfw Seals and Spetsnaz are grandmas

>>715352177
Pretty much this. Having damn good reflexes and athleticism is the most important part. Other than that it's knowing how to take a hit and break out of a hold, since in any realistic street fight someone will try and grab you so that their buddy can beat on you

>>715352449
>wow I can kick people in the nuts and run away? Holy shit that's remarkable.
>try to think for yourself lol

>>715352472
Moron

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I would recommend Muay Thai or Boxing.

Get used to sparring then get a scored fight booked (you will never feel ready, but do it anyway).

After a few hard fights you will be sorted against most guys.

>>715352449
It's useful if the other people are unarmed. All that shit ain't gonna help you if someone pulls a gun on you

>>715350568
In term of self-defense:

>1. In the USA, a gun is probably a better choice.
That being said, there are many valid reasons not to own one. Many people imagine they could properly use it and be able to pull the trigger. Most can't.
>2. Most KM """schools""" are McDojos.
Teachers who had a real education in the combative military system that is KM are rare as fuck. Almost all of them visited a random shit school for a couple months and payed a lot of money to become an "official instructor". Or they straight up said "fuck that" and founded their own "school" or even "system".
Most have some kind of background in Boxing, Kickboxing, MT. A little less worked some kind of security jobs. That's about it.
>3. That isn't the end of the world.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not spazzing out about "muh authentic lineage!". I'm just pointing out, that what you will learn will probably be basic shit with a flavor of overbearing aggressiveness and obsessive neck and dick-punching. What I see in most KM schools is little different from what I see from people with basic (Kick)Boxing skills who are trying to fuck someone up real bad in a brawl.

That is not to say it is useless!
I do, however, claim that more often than not, you will not be getting your moneys worth. KM instructors usually ask for exorbitant amounts of cash for what they are teaching. Money probably better spent in a (Kick-)Boxing/MT/MMA school.
Especially if the KM school does little to no sparring.

>4. Real KM is pretty cool tho.
I've met some Israelis who spent some extra time on hand to hand combat during their training. I liked what they showed me.
If through some kind of miracle you happen to have someone around who actually was in the military, I'd go for it. Even if it costs a little more.

>>715352650
You're clueless m8 go to bed
>Seals and Spetsnaz are grandma's krav magra is kicking people and the nuts and running
Are you even aware of how you think?

>>715350568
Ex Jew jitsu here. Did only 1 year but as far as I learned, its mostly about using the attacker's strength and size against him and mostly used for self defense.

You might want to practice for a year and a half before trying to use it for real situations

>>715352472
motherfucker they train boxing and grappling, then adding krav maga to disarm attackers, you ain't disarming shit if you're weak and your only skill is fucking krav maga

I promise you there is not a single Seal or Speznatzztzt who trains ONLY krav maga,

1. Depends on how quick you learn, but Krav Maga is one system that you can learn pretty quick, it's meant for that, to make someone fit for hand-to-hand combat in a short amount of time.

2. that also depends on your opponent. how strong is he really, can he overpower you?
Did he practice some form of Martial Arts, if so for how long? How quick are you, can he block ect ect.
A club is usually pretty crowded, dark, maybe he has some friends with him just as big as him, then your fucked, which leads to your third question,

3. Self-defense against multiple opponents is always difficuilt to argue about, but all in all you can say that if your trained in some kind of Martial Arts, then yes, you can fuck up 2 or 3 thugs that just wildly charge at you or even try it one on one, but even if there are 2 people that know what they are doing, you're already in a massive disadvantage, and if they got weapons you'd be best off to run.

As someone already said, and im not kidding, you would be best of getting a gun or knife, since these require little training. Dont carry a baton if you dont know how to use it, with these you will need some practice to properly defend yourself without just bashing the skull of the opponent in.

If that is not an option where you live, learn some Boxing / Kick-/Thai-Boxing and a Grappling art like Ju-Jutsu (Japanese) or Judo.

Now there is nothing better then a skilled Boxer. No argument here, a good Boxer will fuck you up.
In Japanese Ju-Jutsu you have got the Joint locks, which are not that great in devensive situations, but you asked also about offense, and if you can grab your opponent by suprise then you'll be in an advantage over him.

Many Judo schools today focus on stand-up work and not that much ground-grappling. (Maybe a 70/30 or 60/40 ratio) While it takes long to get good at it, let alone master judo, being able to take your opponent down with a sweep or throw is perfect for follow-up techniques.

I have seen, been in, and cleaned up after hundreds of fights in my life. Never has a "martial art" been successfully deployed in a real-world situation. Broken glass, knives, sticks, guns, and whatever other shit than can get grabbed defeats all of that shit instantly. There's a reason that fights only last about 30 seconds in the real world.

>>715352792
WELL FUCK
At least someone here can present reasoning
>fucking thank you I did not know sir.

>>715352840
If you want to learn Krav Maga, try to find a certified Military-Instrucor, since most other Krav Maga styles are bullshit, will probably get you injured, and are softend to fit in the self defense law of the country which reduces effectivity

>>715352622
Do you realize there's more to krav than kicking people in the balls? It actually has useful knowledge to teach you like how to disable someone as quickly as possible by manipulating all the body's weakest points, including but not limited to, balls.

>>715352726
>>715352726
No shit sherlock. I didn't need that explained to me as I'm not retarded.

>>715352766
It's morning here "m8" and you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Also,
>Kicking people in the nuts and running
And? In some situations that's actually the best thing to do. I never said Krav Maga is an honorable thing. It's for people who want to live. If you want to place honor and badassery above your actual safety learn something else, faggot.

>>715352940
look, there's a lot of people here mentioning boxing/bjj, and a couple of krav maga virgins, take a hint.

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If you want to learn how to hold your own in conflict:
1) Evaluate your ego. Stop looking for fights. Avoid situations where fights are likely.
2) Learn good deescalation skills - This looks decent: securitysolutionsmagazine.biz/2014/08/20/verbal-de-escalation-techniques-that-actually-work/
3) Be able to run fast. Fighting multiple opponents is fucking silly.
4) And in case all the above still falls short, BJJ, Boxing, Wrestling, Muay Thai

The good thing about those martial arts, is that while they will go some way as effective self defence, they also have rewarding pathways available to sport combat. Krav Maga as I am aware does not.

I always feel a good test for 'the best martial art' question is to ask what the most popular disciplines are used in MMA.

>>715352661
I'm good at boxing but I don't feel ready for my first fight, any advice?

>>715350568
yes, once
>met a new guy, friends friend
>says he trains the Krav
>neverheardofit.jpg
>he can disarm me even if I point a gun at him
>point my fingers at him as a gun
>shoot him
>ok whats next
>he does not like me since

>>715353082
10/10 salt will taste again, yummy
>I'm correct here so I'll use that as my license to act like a retard

>>715353270
I ain't even mad, bro. I'm just into this discussion. Hasn't been an interesting thread here in a while.

>>715352732
Now to your questions
>>715350568
>1. How long does it take till you're reasonably good at it, i.e. good enough for a real-world situation
Depends. Against drunk fucks, pretty much any sport with sparring will give you a significant advantage after about a year or so.
Self-defense is about increasing you chances of "survival". Nothing more. No system in the world will turn you into Rambo. Get that shit out of your head.
>2. How well-suited is it if you're the aggressor, not the defender? I don't wanna go out and start shit, but if I'm in the club and a muscular black.guy slaps my gf's ass, it'd be good to be able to defend her honor
Doesn't really matter. Being the aggressor will often give you a slight advantage, if you are a bitch who sucker-punches.

That being said:
If the big black dude is bigger than you and his friends are around, it would be stupid as fuck to start shit.
There is a reason animals rarely actually bite instead of bark. And it's statistics. The reward is simply rarely worth the risk.
And you sound like one of those people who get knocked the fuck out, because they feel tougher than they are.
>3. How good is it against multiple opponents, or bigger opponents?
Shit. All systems are. Any that claim multiple opponents or bigger opponents don't put you at a significant disadvantage are McDojo fucks who think they are learning magic.
That doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who are tougher than most. Just that you will probably never be one of them, no matter how long you train your little hobby.

Shit dude. Lifting weights is probably a better idea for you, tbqh.

>>715353359
Maybe you aren't mad but you sure are stupid
>lmao

I'm doing Krav Maga and Combatives for 2 years now
>1. How long does it take till you're reasonably good at it, i.e. good enough for a real-world situation
Really depends on the fighter and what kind of Krav Maga you are doing. I would argue 50% of a fight is pure mindset.
>2. How well-suited is it if you're the aggressor, not the defender? I don't wanna go out and start shit, but if I'm in the club and a muscular black.guy slaps my gf's ass, it'd be good to be able to defend her honor
Long if you really want to fight someone who is bigger than you. Maybe 1,5 years
>3. How good is it against multiple opponents, or bigger opponents?
My instructor always says if it's more than one and a half opponents, you will probably loose. Fighting multiple attackers is fucking hard and you will need at least 3 years to learn to do it successfully

>>715353135
>>715353135
He already said.
>Do it anyway.

>>715353480
lol no you!
But seriously, explain why I'm stupid.
>Inb4 you can't.

>>715350568
I recommend studying the blade instead

>>715353581
>plot twist: I already did :o
>Let's see if you can put 2 and 2 together

>>715352940
Except all those other people presenting reason to you earlier you dumbshit

>>715353688
Are you referring to
>I can kick people in the balls and run away how remarkable! ?
If so, no you didn't.

>>715353789
Hahaha Christ.
I didn't know what special forces trained in.
>Please give me a mercy killing >>715353839

I saw a krav maga specialist being raped in prison by 5 black men a few times until we put him in solitary for his own security.
Doesn't really work.

>>715353670
Euphoria Ryu Kenjutsu, to be exact.

>>715353916
So then he wasn't a professional

>>715353839
No, you didnt get it and spelling things out is no fun.
>Just relax you're driving yourself crazy now

>>715353916
What was he in for?

Krav maga suxxs, try Pencak Silat or MDS (Mastro Defence System) ;)

>>715353897
>Hahaha
..nigga...

>>715354247
You're an articulate man I can tell.

>>715354247
Lemme fix it
>"lol"

>>715350640
Why does everyone insist on blowjob jutsu? Not every opponent you face is going to let you suck them off. Sure you can handle multiple attackers with the ultimate bukkake technique but one day you'll be on the streets and that guy is gonna call you a fag and break your jaw with his fist instead of his dick.

Simple technique.
>Drive fingers /thumbs into eyes of attacker.
>watch opponent scream in pain and agony
>????
>profit

>>715350568
you should do some other more conventional martial arts before you move onto the purely defensive/survival stuff.
i.e. kickboxing/boxing/muay thai/san shou
learn basic body movement and head movement, then after you got that down to second nature, do krav.
if you do krav first, there's a good chance youll be stiff and slow

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>>715353897
>Hahaha

>>715350568
Sure if you want to be locked up after killing someone, which is what it for.

>>715354500
>"lol!"

>>715354424
>>715354595
>being this oblivious and salty

>>715354494
>if you do krav first, there's a good chance youll be stiff and slow
Why's that?

>>715354479
/thread

>eye gouging > all fighting styles

>>715354587
Is it though? There's civilian Krav Maga

>>715354674
>trying this hard
>way to project m80

>>715354679
>YOU SHOULD DO OTHER MARTIAL ARTS FIRST

>OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE STIFF AND SLOW

>READING COMPREHENSION HOW DOES IT WORK

>>715354732
>pipe bomb > eye gouging

>>715354679
the aforementioned head/body movement that you learn in other arts but usually not krav. having been on both ends of the spectrum, a lot of new people in krav develop overall speed much slower than those in san shou or muay thai due to them focusing on takedowns from a stationary position as opposed to learning how to strike while moving and circling

that's been my experience anyway, it may be different for others

>>715354951
>Nuclear bomb > humans

>>715354944
I got that, still doesn't really explain WHY that is

>>715354732
Ironically krav might be for you if this is your philosophy. It's not all about nut cracking.

I took karate at thr ymca for two years as a kid. I can easily beat 2-5 opponents of most levels in a street fight. All the other stuff in this thread is bullshit. A karate chop is the most powerful move in martial arts.

>>715354479
>Why does everyone insist on blowjob jutsu?

This guy knows it. And here's the evidence. Asphixiywank jitsu here vs a real tank fighting machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFp1R5klo4

>>715355061
Holy fuck its it's because the other fighting reaches you how to move
Just read
>READING COMPREHENSION HOW DOES IT WORK

>>715355169
Teaches* fuck my ass

>>715355119
What if there were two of that "real tank fighting machine" guy? Would they stand around and wait patiently as he gayly wrestles around on the ground with them one at a time? A krav maga trained person would have broken their knees ending the fight in a much shorter amount of time, assuming legality isn't an issue.

>>715350568
Krav maga was invented for crippling and maiming in the offensive position it's only use is in military training and government officials..

The "real world" situation of combat is that the moment you think martial arts will defeat your opponent or any would-be assailant, you've overestimated your ability.

Real fighting isn't training or strategy. It's luck, your weapon and your biological chemistry.

When your life is on the line you'd be surprised what you can forget. Even base levels of training go out the window.

If you want a professionals opinion a master of any art cannot take on more than 3 opponents anyone who says otherwise has only played for sport. In MMA they say "A belt is only worth 30lb"... so much for sizing up your opponent. Unless you wanna learn karate you simply cannot stop someone who is bigger than you. That's why weight classes exist.

I'd advocate MMA for sport and semi-realistic combat experience. For real self-defense try Jujutsu. It was developed to take on armed opponents in feudal japan when faced again samurai.. I admit krav maga is more suited to the short blades you'll run into assuming these aren't organized fights, but street grappling.. but it's too barbaric. You'll never be disciplined enough to use it efficiently.

tl;dr you don't defend your honor; your honor defends you. Your surroundings are your weapons and that knowledge is worth more than any amount of training. Check out Sun Tzus art of war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rhovBK_eA

>>715355224
Blowjob jutsu would work on this faggot.

Krav Maga is really good bro dont doubt and join them

>>715355357
Straight up, I can not find a single video displaying the effectiveness of Krav in a fight. Do you know of one? I would like to see it. I'm not talking demo bs. straight up use of krav in a fight.

>>715355400
Yeah, so blow me faggot, you fucking empty headed moron. Lmao

>>715355960
Easy to find effectiveness of boxing, bjj, muay thai, wrestling, even karate and TKD i can find.

Krav - nothing. Must be some security footage or cellphone videos out there, or maybe not?

>>715356232
Nah i don't advocate the use of blowjob jutsu. But there are many in this thread that could help you with this.

>>715355960
>>715356247
I don't know of any but I'm sure they're out there.
I think krav would be a great technique if you also combine it with something else to balance it out, such as BJJ.

>>715355018
>atomic titty twister > everything

>>715356498
Thank you sir for pointing me in the right direction

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>>715355372
OP for the love of god.. acknowledge you at least consider THE VOICES OF FUCKING REASON here... Have you even been hit before? Reality is you don't get to win. When someone wants to fight you THEY DON'T FUCKIN TELL YOU TO SHOW UP AT HIGH NOON FOR A DUEL.

>>715356975
Sometimes they do.

>>715357084
That's when you pull an andrew jackson and produce your flintlock at the count of 2 instead of 3 to win your duel

>>715354812
>oh the irony
>keep being salty gayboy

>>715357210
Nothing says that you have to fight fair. Some men swear death before dishonor but 99.9% would take the easy way out and live instead of dying. Honor in death is the romanticism of war..... No one gives a shit about your honor or your girlfriend's.

>>715350568
ju jutsu and boxing bjj and maybe then as an augmentation krav maga

get urself katana

>>715352732
Last krav maga teacher I had was a goon.

5'6 of solid asain muscle.

This guy taught us things like
>reacting to a situation immedietly, 0 - 100
Such as having everybody standing in different parts of the room with their eyes closed. The other half are holding hit bags or gloves. As soon as you feel something you open your eyes and go all out
Another one they did is simulation barfights. Everybody goes at each other even if it is 1v2/3 . Randomly they would throw a knife in.

The cardio was pretty fucking intense. All classes were 20-30 mins of hard cardio. 30 mins of technique/sparring. With one class a week being knife/gun technical. One time they made everybody squat till they drop, got to 300-something.

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my only experience is that i once saw an episode of How I Met Your Mother that mentioned it

>>715357512
I never said you had to I was making a joke about a president who killed a man in a duel... But the japanese were hard to capture alive in the war. They almost always killed themselves. You can see it in the camera combatants a women kicks her child of a cliff the moment she spots an american soldier and then throws the baby as she jumps.

Something scared the dicks off imperial japan if that isn't honor.

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>>715357783
some guy told me similar stories, when he was training they took them to room with 0 light and told to fight blindly or somehow got a bus and fight inside while driving around city

>>715357406
>Why am salty again?

>>715357512
OH you mean the part about km being barbaric.. well it's not really about honor. Crippling your opponents is a horrible strategy.

For example let's say you're robbing a bank. The goal is the cash. If you kill someone, now you're the suspect of an interstate manhunt. If you didn't have to kill anyone you can probably just skip the state and you'll be good to go.

Same logic applies to fights you get into. If all your moves are designed to murder and cripple what is your base training good for when your buddy is drunk? I mean OP didn't say he lived in west oakland and has been fighting gang members who stroll by with machetes. He said he wasn't looking for fights. KM isn't for him.