Anon, how old were you when you grew out of your capitalism phase

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>>715207418

Right about the time I realised Islam will rule the world.

Or europe at least.
Have fun with that btw.

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>>715207467
anon, religion will not be permitted in my socialist society. enough of that nonsense

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>>715207337
Have you considered simply moving to a communist country? Surely they will be the perfect socialist utopia you are dreaming of.

>>715207589
> My socialist society.
Kek. Good luck with that Mr No One.

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What the smokes did you just blazing say about me, you little hotheaded bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the National Fire Academy, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret, /diy/ threads, and I have over 300 confirmed flophouses shut down. I am trained in fire code enforcement warfare and I’m the top Fire Chief in the entire /diy/ fire-safety forces. You are nothing to me but just another life to save. I will wipe your flophouses the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with talking shit about fire safety over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Fire Marshals and City Counsel members and your hazardous buildings are being scheduled for inspection right now so you better prepare for the inspection, maggot. The inspection that wipes out the threat to public safety you call your DIY house. You’re fucking smoked, kid. I can report you anywhere, anytime, and I can spot fire hazards in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just over the internet. Not only am I extensively trained in fire safety procedures, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Division of Fire Safety and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your homicidal buildings off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy conflagration your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you blazing idiot. I will shit safety all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking welcome, kiddo.

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>>715207654
>>715207700
anon, why do you think islam would rule in a socialistic society? do you think there would be no laws against violence? do you think we would not have checks n balance?
perhaps you should examine what troubles you.

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>>715207662
im not a communist and communism really isnt feasible until the globe is on board

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>>715207870
> Why do you think Islam would rule a Socialistic society.
Because that's what's happening.

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>>715208002

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>>715208038
how so?

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>>715208196
thanks for the bump

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>>715207418
According to wikipedia his salary was 4 million in 2012.

There are over 3,664 restaurants in his franchise. If he gave up 100% of his salary to employees that would give just slightly over $1,000 a year for all employees of each restaurant to split. Considering each location probably emplys at least 20 people, that means an extra $50 a year per person at most.

Yup, he is hogging all the money, retard.

>>715208090
the third panel should be her exploding

>>715207970
>im not a communist
>until the globe is on board
You sound like a typical limpwristed communist who wants the nanny state to take care of you like a sniveling infant. In reality you'd be put down like a dog so the food rations wouldn't be wasted.

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>>715208279
nice

>>715207337
I wonder how old you'll be when you realize the world is, was, and always will be a meritocracy.

Well if you don't like capitalism, don't fucking lurk on an iPhone or Mac

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>>715208361
thanks for that insight.

>>715208327
do you know understand what owners do with money?

his bloated salary is but one of the ways he stores his unearned wealth. the wealthy keep their money in assets and stocks.

>>715208358
cant handle the hypocrisy? i would abolish all religion if i could but islam is useful in pointing out the rights ignorance

>>715208303
Just because the guy was good at physics doesn't mean he was a good economist. You don't ask economists to solve physics equations no do you...

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>>715208525
what should i use?

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>>715208697
ad hominem in the face of ideas one cannot combat. typical.

>>715208622
>his unearned wealth

How can you possibly be this much of a whiny, entitled little faggot though?

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>>715208491
this

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>>715208833
inheritance is not earned. profit off of someone elses work is not earned.
who exactly is the whiner? the one who believes in being paid for work or the one committing ad hominem?

>>715208807
>ad hominem
Anon, I don't think you know what that means. typical.

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>>715208491
onheritance and profit off anothers work are not merit

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>>715208980
calling einstein incompetent instead of addressing the idea in the picture is ad hominem. you attacked the person not the idea

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>>715209153

This just a thread of poor people being mad they're poor. If you don't want to be poor, I suggest not being a redneck, nigger, or uneducated

>>715208807
That wasn't adminem at all, it is a fact.

Planned economies have never performed well in human history. They don't do well with technology at all.

What good technology ever came out of Russia besides military tech like rockets or jet fighters? Their planned economy produced disposable shit and some of the worst cars ever made on this planet. Communist China also produced horrible cars that are laughable. Socialist Sweden produced Saab which was mediocre at best and doesn't make cars any more.

What socialist planned economy has produced any revolutionary electronics?

Planned economies perform horribly and do not have any mechanism to give incentive to make a better product. They only produce the same lame shit over and over because nobody has any desire to improve anything. Profit motivates creating a better product and beating the competition.

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>>715209210

>>715208955
>ad hominem
>>715208807
>ad hominem

You're like a broken record, and the worst bit is you don't even know what an ad hominem argument is.

People like you probably do need socialism, that doesn't mean the system works for the rest of us however.

>>715209018
>profit off anothers work

>what are management and leadership skills

And once again these threads all boils down to the same thing. Entitled first world faggots complaining because they can't compete with others.

>>715209114
The other anon wasn't making a personal attack, merely pointing out that Einstein is not an expert in economics. That is simply stating a fact relevant to the discussion, not ad hominem.

>>715208697
cant compare that, a good physicist is smarter and better at solving problems than a "good" economist . That being said, why physicist work at wall street if they cant understand economics?

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>>715209246
he said with no evidence. he said as projection of his own lack of self worth

>>715209262
russia launched the first successful satellite. their economy and living conditions were fantastic until they started invading other countries which is not in the socialist spirit.

china is state capitalism.

sweden has some of the best intellectual property output in the world.

>profit motives
agreed. the rofit should go to the worker and society. not someone born rich. competition is vital for a successful economy. no argument here. just get rid of the owner.

>>715209484
if owners are managing, then why do they hire managers? why do they have executives, researchers, and presidents? you have been duped anon. the owners are stealing your money.

how am i to compete with someone who inherited billions?

>>715209705
Experience isn't just something your character on WoW collects, anon.

if we can replace all labor with robots, socialism might become a reason option

until then fuck off

>>715208491
No, no it isn't, not even close.

I have an idea for you. Go start a life on Etyopia from scratch, you know, jist take your clothes and your intellect, as if just born or some shit, and then try and thrive.

I mean, you'll definitely nail it, right? You're a hard working fellow, smart, focused, I'll sure you'll be able to start your own business, get a fancy house.

Or, you know, you can be starving no matter what you do and pray that some curable disease doesn't wipe you out, because there's absolutely nothing that can improve your odds. There's little to no fucking real merit in the world, you dimwit. The world is so stupidly imbalanced right now that you're either exploited or the exploiter and very few people actually stand in the middle ground.

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>>715209610
implying that someone is incompetent in economivs bc they are good at physics is an attack on the person.

>>715209705
*citation needed

I know of lots of mathematicians who are hired by investment firms, but not specifically physicists. There is a difference.

Yes, Einstein was brilliant. But that doesn't mean he knew everything. I actually own a book that is a compilation of letters he wrote. I remember one where he is bitching about how he hates being famous and how people cherry pick his quotes all the time.

>>715207337
Hillary Spin machine in full gear. Looks like she's dusted herself off and is starting anew.

Evil Evil thing.

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>>715209849
you didnt answer tho. Just added new info

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>>715209968
F

>>715209743
>their economy and living conditions were fantastic

HA!

>china is state capitalism
Yeah, today, I'm talking about the past 70 years.

>sweden has some of the best intellectual property output in the world
Yeah, when they are motivated by capitalist markets

You are a fucking moron. See, not that was ad hominem.

>>715209743
>if owners are managing, then why do they hire managers?

That's called a chain of command. It's a crucial factor to running any large organization, including a government. This doesn't go away under socialism either you fucking idiot.

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>why do they have executives, researchers, and presidents?

Because people have different skill sets and levels of experience you fucking moron.

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>how am i to compete with someone who inherited billions?

At some point, somebody took a risk and generated that wealth. You compete by making yourself relevant, marketable. Not by whining on /b/ that "muh capitalism is unfair".

You're stupid and I'm out.

>>715209277
It's accurate. But by being a jewbag, you can have your cake and eat it too.

>>715209870
>implying any of this disproves that the world is a meritocracy

>>715208622
Just stop. Right here.
If you put money in stocks you're investing in other businesses. That means those businesses can hire more people to do the work that they couldn't afford before or the equipment but also then they can hire someone. Someone who didn't have a job now has a job. Maybe in another sector of the economy but what did you accomplish? Fuck all.

Capitalism gives hard working people, pioneers and employers an incentive. Socialism is literally the death of that incentive.

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>>715207337
Get the fuck out. Just go to some shit-hole where socialism is already established, and don't come back.

>>715209968
penmanship matches the arguments, sloppy.

They could have answered with decent responses that showed some effort, but instead they decided to play defensive because they actually don't have good reasons behind what they believe. There is no substance to what they wrote.

>>715210125

>At some point, somebody took a risk and generated that wealth. You compete by making yourself relevant, marketable. Not by whining on /b/ that "muh capitalism is unfair".

Ignoring the Primitive accumulation of capital

>You're stupid and I'm out.

Flawless argument

When will you realise that no currently existing system actually works?

>>715209919
To assume someone is a genius on all topics because they are brilliant in one would be asinine. I am not aware of any of Einsteins works in economics and to uphold your claim that he is knowledgeable in this unrelated field without backing it up is misinformative.
Nobody has made a claim that Einstein is "incompentent", just that he has not dedicated his life studying the intricacies of economics and trade.

>>715208955
>profit off of someone elses work is not earned
It is if you're the one providing the opportunity and means to do that work

I'm an economist, tell me why socialism is better than capitalism. No pictures, just plain text.
I will debunk your theories. I'm this poster by the way >>715210257
Come at me.

>>715208369
Need proof on this. 99% of leftist twitter posts are nothing but made up bullshit.

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>>715208250
This comic in particular reminds me of
>The Broken Window Fallacy

filthy commies and keynesians beware. How can you justify forcing others to pay for goods/services they wouldn't require otherwise?

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>>715209945
you should read the thread before you comment. it is clear i am not pro democrat.

>>715209937
einstein was pretty good. wouldnt call him brilliant. but you are overestimating how difficult economics is. certainly throughout ones lifetime, they can have a sturdy grip on the matter.

most economics courses in higher education america are taught under the pretext of capitalism. that would not have helped einstein anyway

>>715210114
you have a bit of research to do anon. please do read about soviet russia from a non american text.

>>715210125
the ownership of someone elses work goes away. the owners collect the profits off others work anon. you are not paid for the work you do but for how much an inheritance brat decides to pay.

the wealthy did not earn their wealth anon.

why are you arguing against earning the money you work for?

>>715210257
businesses do not simply hand out jobs anon, there must be demand for that job. the demand will be filled with or without the owner.

socialism pays the worker for the work they do. more and better work = more pay. the workers earning the profits instead of begging undeserved owners is the best incentive.

>>715210540
I'm an economist too. You said it yourself all theories, even neo calssical synthesis.

>>715210398
He's also the one that noted that a shark being judged by it's ability to climb a tree will be deemed a retard.

>>715208622

Yes, yes. Tell racists to be afraid while you hide behind masks, intimidate them with the weapons you strive to take from them. The hypocrisy in this country is hitting meme status.

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>>715210338
>Flawless argument

It wasn't an argument, it was a statement.

I'm going to work, while you complain on /b/ that you can't compete with the rich while trying to convince yourself and others that this is because of Capitalism, rather than the fact that you're unemployed.

Good job addressing my points though.

Trickle down absolutely works.

They just lied about WHERE they said it would work.

Relocating 100 million American steelworker jobs from the 1960s created 500 million Chinese manufacturing jobs.

You're just too faggot to understand.

>>715210884
ha!

>>715210670
>the wealthy did not earn their wealth anon.

>wat are entrepreneurs

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>>715210893
kek

An example of an Ad Hominem attack:

(((Einstein))) obviously cannot objectively determine who should control the means of production

>>715211033

Are you literally retarded?

>>715211033
an Ad Hominem attack:
You're a retarded faggot so what you're saying is obviously bullshit.

>>715210226
Do you not understand the concept of meritocracy?

If two people from around the world have the some work capacity and output, they should have reasonably the same chance to progress up the social ladder or thrive... Or at least come somewhat close to it.

So, explain to me how salaries for a profession very wildly around the globe? Different nations have different ideals, value professions differently, etc., but what about nations that have the same kind of ideals? Consider that among the western civilization there are many similar nations in terms of culture and values, a worker's output should account for similar wages and standard of living for those individuals, no?

So do try to explain why this is not the case. Seriously, give your best shot at trying to show there's no resource hogging and people with the same skills and drives have the same chance at reaching whatever spot their capacity warrants, no matter where they live and are lucky to be born at. Because that's what the concept of meritocracy translates to, doofus. And we don't have it.

If we give everyone equal amounts of everything people will still choose to work as hard as they ever would now ... Right? Right? I mean, it's not like all motivation to better oneself would go out the window or anything ...

>>715211005
the wealthy inherit their money, assets, opportunity. they use that wealth to collect profit off someone elses work. how many days has donald trump worked? i think he said 3 days sweeping the floors. and then daddy gave him lots of money. he earned but 3 days off money.

"entrepeneurs" ah yes good ol fashioned american spirited capitalism! perhaps you should venture beyond american high school economic texts.

>>715211225
That's three days more than you.

>>715211206
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This is now and Ad Hominid attack thread.

Trump is going to ruin the economy. He likes to grab pussy for god's sake.

>>715211033
An actual example of an ad hominem attack, because you clearly fucking need one in order to stop sounding like a faggot:

(((Einstein))) obviously cannot objectively determine who should control the means of production BECAUSE HE IS A NIGGER

To clarify, because you're so fucking stupid it's actually painful, the text in bold is what constitutes an ad hominem.

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>>715207337
You see what happened was I smoked a lot of weed and stole a lot of bags of chips. As I was being dragged away and driven to jail by the cops I realized that chips should be free, man. Socialism is the future because chips should be free.

>>715210684
Fuck your "labels". It's either true or it's bullshit.
>>715210670
Never said or implied anything about "handing out jobs" typical thing stupid fucks do is put words in others mouth and debunk that.
But then you fucked up.
"Demand will be filled up with or without the owner"
You stupid man. How is there a job in the first place if there is no owner that initiated the business. And even if the government made the job opening (which is at the taxpayers expense and not from profits or personal capital) , even then it needs the owner.
Socialism taxes everyone so hard that they all make less than they should. And giving it to people that should be working but choose not to. Welfare creates moral hazard, ofcourse there should be, but why should you look for a job when you get "support money" for doing fuck all.
The owner should get the reward of profits to pay the stockholders and investors first and to reward him/her self first too because being an owner is like being an investor.
Without investors and stockholders there would not be much capitalism, every single one of those investors wants to make money = capitalism. None of those people risk their capital for no returns and for the greater good. The greater good is an extra.
The initiator should get most, and money makes decisions happen in a business.
Maybe you should limit yourself only to socialistic businesses. You'll find yourself n a box on the street without anything.

>>715211166
Supply and demand, retard. If two places value the same job differently then the scale of "merit" is obviously different

>I'm rich, great job, fuck 5-6 pussies per week, successful.

Why even argue on an anon board. Capitalism will go down by itself

>>715211225
>how many days has donald trump worked?
Pretty sure he works a lot, just not doing manual labour

>>715211225
Where did the money come from? Inheritance of that size is usually from someone who had an entrepreneur in their family at some point. If people stopped complaining and tried doing something maybe they'd see how these people make so much money.
Hint:
They workedto build up a business or they climbed the corporate ladder

>>715211329
hahaha

>>715211225
>perhaps you should venture beyond american high school economic texts.

Perhaps you should stop being a whining faggot. I feel sorry for people who have no competitive spirit. Why do you even live?

>>715211298
Thank fucking Christ! Tired of these pseudo-intellectuals incorrectly using the ad-hominid fallacy.

>>715208118
lol that's why you don't organize a protest on private property

>>715207337
>Trickle down economics ≠ capitalism.
How old were you when you realized that logical fallacies can't convince anyone other than people looking for confirmation of their own beliefs?

>>715207337
OP I think you meant Nazism, because as far as I remember both capitalism and socialism failed miserably.

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>>715211502
This was a fun thread friend.

I enjoy riding the waves with the bravest of braves.
The fags that slap bags and still attend raves.
The current year queers, it's clear we have AIDS.

The only cure to the cancer

trolling for days

>>715207662
>simply moving
>to another country
nigger have you tried moving to another state?

Surprised of how many of you guys always take the bait SAGE

>>715211783
I'm not the crybaby faggot. Get your shit packed and fuck off loser.

>>715211340
Dude, there are many different places with the same supply and demand and value of, let's pick as an example, doctors.

Explain why there are such differences in standards of living and wages for those individuals across the globe, between nations that value them in the same way.

Also, I'm not 100% sure you understand exactly what merit means... There is a difference between what you objectively accomplish and what others tell you it's worth. Meritocracy argues that it's what you objectively accomplish that matters, that's your output, so it should be valued the same way no matter where you are. If the "value" of merit changes according to where you are, it stops being merit and becomes an arbitrary appointment...

>>715211827
>taking bait
You misunderstand anon, shitposting is the ultimate game. everybody baits everyone until it's nothing more than a circle of baiters, eatch baiting the next guy. Beautiful.

>>715208955
Inheritance is earned. Your connections and maintenance of relationship earns it. The opportunities are there. You just don't have the opportunity because your parents might be poor, they didn't earn riches to pass on. If your parents earned riches they should be able to give you everything they have before they pass away. That's called passing on your success.
It is very stupid to have an inheritance tax.

sage this shit

>>715207337
How old were you when you realized socialism has never actually worked?

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>>715211757
>>715211827
Such skillful prose
Kek smiles, He knows
Check the sevens, and the doubles.
Heck to Heaven, fuck a butthole

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>>715211757
>>715211827
>>715212167


>mfw digits ending in 7
shadily praise him

>>715211975
Supply and demand doesn't just refer to one thing at a time, it also has to take into account the available resources of the place it's happening in. A doctor in India is as important as a doctor in the UJ but can't be paid the same because the entire economy is different. They're still paid more than road sweepers though, based on merit. You seem to think that money is some finite number that the world divvies up

When the minimum wage goes up, the value of the employee goes down.
Have fun being jobless OP.

OP should live in North Korea.
Good evidence that capitalism works is when China transitioned from communism to capitalism(they're communistic on paper though)
OP is scared and doesn't know shit, does not even respond to everything but selectively picks and trolls.
Economist my ass. You're a pussy that selectively ignores theories that are not similar to your own. You're a pussy just like the other socialists. Fucking oxygen parasite, just shut up and get a job, make money and do something usefull.

>>715212322
witnessed

>I make a hammer
>Jamal has fuck all, but someone else is willing to pay him to put siding on their house
>I loan the hammer to Jamal so he can do that
>Jamal breaks the hammer in the process of doing the job
who deserves to be paid from putting the siding up?
according to socialists only Jamal because workers have a right to the means of production (ie the hammer I made)
so even though Jamal had no means of compensating me for my work making the hammer
I get fuck all bc by loaning Jamal the hammer I made, I am now a capitalist swine that should be put against the wall and shot

>>715208196
What the fuck is that?

ITT: Socialist jizzbenders not understanding a 10% raise for everyone would raise demand and therefore also prices on All wares by 10% maling it unaffordable to unemployed people, defeating their own purpose

>>715212424

> I am now a capitalist swine that should be put against the wall and shot

Not because you're a capitalist, but because you're a fucking retard.

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sleep tite OP

>>715212424
if your analogy works, then anything you produce (tangible or otherwise) using any tool that you did not create yourself will, will require you to pay back dividends to the tool creators.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich; a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy.

As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the third test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, all failed and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

It could not be any simpler than that.

>>715212682
Anon that is clearly ad hominem.

>>715212682
the tragedy of the commons

>>715212082
You realize this means the tendency is for capital to keep accumulating. That also means that as time goes by it becomes progressively harder for you to hoard a fortune to pass on to your children and start your own empire, and do you know why?

Because this is a physical world with finite resources. Do you not understand wealth is a finite "resource"? It cannot grow on all fronts at the same time. If it's growing here, it's decreasing there, if it's growing there, it's decreasing here. Thing is, 99% of the time it's growing in the same spot and the gap keeps growing and growing. To accept it as legitimate is to abandon all pretense of humanitarianism. Hell, slavery and such is where it leads, because at one point the majority will be working so hard for so little that it'll be effectively as the days of old where people worked hard, absent of rights, for food alone, but if you think that's acceptable, my arguing stops there, because I can't argue against immorality.

Remember the world already has untold millions of people working their asses off just to have enough to eat and not die in a few days, it's modern day slavery. Funny thing though is, if they all stopped producing right now, it wouldn't be just them dying off, it would be most of the world too. Doesn't it sound like there's a lack of recognition for those people? C'mon.

If you tell me those people don't mean shit to you, God damn, I really won't argue anymore on this point, because then we're talking about human life having different value because you're white or black, man or female, straight or gay, atheist or christian, etc., but that is not acceptable for most people. People should have recognition for their contribution and we don't have that, not even close.

There is a reason the scandinavian countries are all so rich

>>715212654
>require you to pay back dividends to the tool creators
lets call this "rent"
so Jamal rents a tool from me
except he can't because he has fuck all but a job opportunity
so he agrees to pay me for the use of my tool
lets call that a "loan"
so with this "loan" Jamal can now afford to rent without buying the tool outright
Jamal can now put siding on the house, get paid, and pay back his loan to me
except he broke my hammer
now how does socialism fix that problem?

>>715212297
>available resources
>money is infinite

Is this stupidity or hypocrisy? Because you didn't just try to tell me 2 individuals that deserve the same and objectively aren't even close to earning the same is an example of merit, specially based on the hogwash of economies having obviously different sizes but somehow money being infinite...

>>715212782
>ad hominem
ad hominem
ad ˈhɒmɪnɛm/
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"an ad hominem response"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

You are far gone.
People should have the freedom to do whatever they want with their assets. Immoral or not, in the end morality is subjective and taking someones freedom away is immoral too.
Your logic is also not very on point.
When someone receives lots of money and "hoard it" which rarely happens because most the time if you don't know what to do with money you'd go to a financial consultant or accountant and they'll tell you to invest it instead of letting inflation eat away at it annually.
Money is semi finite, it is finite to in a sense of total worth but it is also infinite as it can be printed at the cost of decrease of worth.
You're using your liberal arguing techniques. Blowing up shit much more than there actually is and "shaming" me for your own claims and not my actions. So much for freedom of speech right.
I can see that you're talking out of your ass since you have to resort to using these tactics instead of actually telling me why and how something is better.
Your argument doesn't make any sense. If you don't do anything with the money you have inflation will decrease it anyways and more money will be printed, which means there can be new holders of the printed money but it is just worth less than before. How many 1930 dollars can you buy with 100 dollars now? Your argument assumes there is no inflation and money doesn't get printed.

>>715213438
Response to this by the way
>>715212885

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>>715207337
>socialism
>communism
>serving the jew in their paradise
>fuck outta here kike

>>715213438
>taking someones freedom away is immoral
but anon, I thought morality was subjective

>>715213347
joke (jōk)
n.
1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
2. A mischievous trick; a prank: played a joke on his roommate.
3. Something that is of ludicrously poor quality: Their delivery service is a joke.
4. Informal
a. Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.
b. An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office.

The real problem is overpopulation.
A reduced population would solve the majority of the worlds problems.

>>715207418
he's not wrong

>>715213623
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>715213624
The answer is simple. We kill all the jews, niggers, and spics. We'll figure the rest out afterwards.

>>715213618
That's the point I was trying to make.
It's all subjective. Me saying that was a response to his stance on morality basically contradicting his point but making it so you can't really disagree with it because otherwise you'll be shamed which he did to me. Hope you understand.

>>715213748
Can we also kill the Americans?

>>715213686
I'm sorry, I'll dumb it down so the intellectually numb who don't read threads can understand

hur dur ur a dmb niggerfaggot lolz fked ur dad

>>715213903
Ad hominem

>>715213859
Anon the plan was so simple but you've already fucked it up.
>jews, niggers, and spics.
>figure the rest out afterward

>>715213794
yup 100% agree, makes perfect sense

>>715213994
No you're the Ad hominy!

>>715214073
No u

>>715214127
U!

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>>715214171
U!!!!

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>>715214240
Fuk wrong one

>>715208040
>remember when our kids used to break their backs working in coal mines/working factories?
>that's over. we've abolished that, because it's CRUEL.
>filthy chinks can do that for us now.

>>715213438
>do whatever they want with their assets
nope. that freedom is always restricted by the law
only in anarchy people have total freedom

>>715209331

With that ad hominem there you're making him look kinda correct.

>>715210331
I think the level of argumentation in the answers, matches that in the questions.

>>715213438
>their assets
what makes it "their assets"?

y'all niggas need a third way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

>>715213438

I'm blowing up shit? Do you have any idea what the numbers are on poverty, famine and the likes?

A billion people around the world are effectively starving, working their asses off to survive the next few days, because if they stop they won't, while a few thousand people have gathered the resources to sustain their family lines for literally thousands of years, but I'm blowing things up? This is just subjectively wrong?

I'd honestly punch you in the face right now if I could. You wrote hogwash, while trying to maintain a face of at least ideological morality, but that's just major bullshit, isn't it? You couldn't give a rat's ass about inequality, there goes meritocracy out the window. Pretending to defend it while trying to justify the ridiculous amount of reasons why it doesn't exist AT ALL, is honestly the most disgusting shit I've seen in this thread even among the trolls and both the socialist and capitalist sheep that can't see the obvious flaws in both systems. I'm used to people being blinded by ideology, it's common, but ignoring all pretenses of Logic and Ethics to maintain status quo is lowest of the low. Some people out there actually believe they should have everything, others believe everyone should have the same, but at least they have their reasonings behind it.

>>715212480
cock

>>715214484
>>715214536
Fuck off.
I didn't derail this thread for it to get back on track.

>>715214484
This, so much this

>>715214602
free trade agreements are the reason for that

I'm 34 but grew up in an era understanding what capitalism is, and no one would confuse that for the shit going on in the US

it's a monetarist welfare system for both the richest and poorest - the poor people get to do fuck all besides commit the most crimes, the rich use taxpayers as collateral for financial risk yet bear the reward all for themselves.. if their investment goes belly up uncle sam gives them a nice golden parachute or bailout

the whole shit started with Keynesian based theories that allowed government to decide winners and losers in an economy.. as you can see now, they choose the wealthy elite assholes.. liberal dumbfucks want more government interference in spite of this because they think the same government that's fucking the lower middle, middle, and middle upper classes are is going to magically stop doing what government does

with all the chaos that goes on in the US, economically and politically, it's really a surprise that the country still functions..

>>715208327
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU have a heart

>>715208327
So he build 4000 reataurant and each one gains 1000$/year?

>>715207337
Entropy.

>>715215122
Hmmm, that's pretty much on point pertaining to at least the US, I guess

Pretty messed up

>>715214593
Sacrifice of time and effort, money is owned by the government but really it's in the hand of of the individual and if that person wants to give all his money to his son, fine, if he wants to donate it all, fine.

>>715207500
Any name for the hoe in the last pic?

I've always wondered people
Who complain about capitalism.Are there motives say I should live like millionaire an what not or say fuck it socialism all the way which how do u actually do?

>>715215425
Validate the subsequent sacrifice and effort of the son. You validated and gave legitimacy to the father and then threw it all away by replacing the son's sacrifice and effort with entitlement.

Good job...

Out of curiosity I've always wondered how socialists combated to things:

1. How does one solve the freeloader problem (i.e. how to force people to work that dont want). I suppose much like we do now in our welfare society one could argue but what happens if I want to be an artist in a socialist society and everyone did that and technically that's meaningfully 'work' but you could pick stuff that's just easy work.

2. Would a doctor get paid / get the same resources as a cleaner. If yes then why would anyone put the effort in.

If no, say they are paid more. How does one define 'merit'?
And if someone is earning more than someone else then doesn't that create an unbalance in capital, and we are back to where we started.

So how does one get everyone to work for the greater good?

Socialism sounds good except it never works. It's been tried. FFS it's like you cunts are saying

"I think drinking bleach is fine. It cleans my floors. So it'll clean my insides. Make me healthy"

>Dies...

"My friend tried it. He was cool. You fucking vitamin takers and water drinkers are idiots. I'm gonna drink different bleach..."

>Dies

"My two friends are good people. Im gonna baby sit your kids and teach them vitamins are bad for you and how bleach is better...."

"But only my super special bleach peach blend full vegan. "

>>715214602
What does that have to do with what I said. It's like you make an argument and I start talking about how it reminds me of my dead relatives. Your point is not relevant.

You probably don't realize that the government is effectively making us slaves to money by debt. It's the fault of the stupid people that want socialism that that happens. We wouldn't be in so much debt if there was less socialism.

You are blind, reality is that fucked up shit exists and that you can never fight it. There is always an opposite and utopia doesn't exist.

Back on point:
Socialism doesn't work and you're blaming the wrong people for the sufferings of the victims of socialism.

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>>715208622
>"the wealthy keep their money in assets and stocks".

Stocks. Literally investing your money into another business to help it grow. How is that a bad thing? You need to Stfu you nigger faggot and jack off to your communist manifesto.

>>715215148
CEO Salary =/= company profits

>>715215694
You assume that the son will feel entitled, but what if the son is thankful and a good employer/investor? Both scenarios exist and more than likely he would be an investor that would at least contribute to society even though he has a possible bad attitude.

>>715207662
The only problem is socialist hate communist. The whole russia vs germany thing is a great example>>715207662
e

>>715210778
>intimidate them with the weapons you strive to take from them
you're a special one arent you?

Lol socialism would say go back to Russia u Comie but hell they even gave up on that god awful experiment

>>715215728
You're asking some good questions but as you can see the socialist didn't respond. Socialist countries have a tendency to not make things happen, like a response.

>>715216060
That was a collection of soviet republics with vanguard communism up until the mid 90s now it's a federal republic with capitalism just like the U.S.
So you must be talking about scandinavian countries which have some of the best economies and the happiest people in the world.

>>715215689
How about something like providing a greater standard of living to others while maintaining your own?

You can't even out society, no one man can, but if you can significantly improve the life of thousands of people, it leads to more educated and healthy people, less crime, etc.

Not saying "go poor and share all your shit", but why also hog all of it? There are somewhat more acceptable middle grounds.

A top manager can still be a top manager without having to earn as much as a thousand of his subordinates. Hell, he can even guarantee more legitimacy in his employee's eyes if the wage gap is a few times higher, maintaining his cherished elite status, instead of a wage gap of hundreds or thousands of times that honestly makes every employee want to kill him with a baseball bat. Exploitation has different levels.

Want to exploit others? Hard for me or anyone to stop you, but you can be a meanest kid on the school or a Hitler, people definitely don't like losing their lunch money to the first, but they also didn't lose their houses or their lives while the latter got a whole world trying to gun him down.

Life choices, eh?

>>715215728
1. do you know what socialism is? this indicates you dont. if you want the benefits of society, you must do productive work.

2. no? you have no idea what socialism is. more productive work gets paid more. better work gets paid more.

all you have to do is get rid of the owners of businesses. doctors still get paid well. and id bump all minimum wage jobs up to comfortable wage. the market will still define who gets paid what. the profits just wont go to the owners, itll go to workers/societal needs

ok so the thing that socialism tries to combat is the idea of capitalists. capitalists (also called owners, bankers, investors, entrpreneurs) take money, pay other people to do work, the soak up the profits of their work. socialism cuts out the owner. the profits will go to the workers/societal needs (ex healthcare, other businesses)

inequality is not the problem. if you work more, you deserve more. but you dont get to profit off someone elses work and you dont get unearned inheritance

>>715215830
Yeah, the hordes suffer because they want equality, meritocracy, etc., not because they are exploited.

The exploitere actually want to improve everyone's lives, but the silly masses that want a decent standard of living are sabotaging themselves because, well, they want a decent standard of living and want to stop being exploited?

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

>>715209262
>Socialist Sweden
Sweden has never been socialist.
Besides,
>Volvo
>Ericsson
>Atlas Copco

>>715216468
Scandinavian countries specifically, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Finland are perceived as socialist because their citizens pay very high income taxes. However, these countries still suffer from many of the social and economic ills that socialism is supposed to prevent, though quality of life is still better than most other places on earth including the U.S.
This is because no one want's to go all out and actually do it right.

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>>715207337
Show me a young man who's not a liberal and I'll show you a man without a heart.
Show me an old man who's not a conservative and I'll show you a man without a brain.
You'd have to be literally retarded to think trickle down economics don't work btw. Especially when compared to raising wages and inflation to further deteriorate the middle class.

>>715209018
>>715209114
>>715215934
>>715215874
>>7152160
people act pathologically not logically. selfishness is natural, every single animal(humans) is selfish they don't apologize for it and neither will I. Emotion will continue to rule the masses, sure socialism is a great system, but it is a logical system and we are not logical.

Socialism assumes every individual has the same definition of "standard of living". It fails to understand that everyone is different, there is people that are greedy yes, there is people that are average and people that are minimalistic etc.

>>715215934
Well, most studies around big inheritors point more towards the entitled status than the other. It's not really 50/50. If it was a coin flip, it wouldn't be so terrible, hell, there have even been some examples in history of fat cats sharing profit equally among subordinates, but those are veeeeeeery rare situations.

The reality is more of a 20-sided dice roll. Roll a 1 and you got yourself a cool fellow that inherited much and saw fit to compensate everyone that helped make that stack of dough a reality, roll anything else and, well, we're living it.

>>715216632
There is plenty of evidence to suggest that trickle down economics doesn't and hasn't really worked.
I'm not saying either way but i wouldn't say you would have to be retarded not to believe in it.

>>715216677
No it doesnt. Read beyond your American 6th grade social studies text please so you can come up with something original instead of memes.

>>715216677
Not at all. You can pretty much precisely figure out
how much it takes to live somewhere. all the
other decisions are left up to the individual

>>715216717
>trickle down works every time it's implemented
>socialism fails every time it's implemented
Let's call a spade a spade, these people are retarded.

>>715216689
What studies? You fucking lying cocksucker, do you not get that they'll get advised to invest it? That money will go to society for a return on his investment. Yes that may be selfish, but you benefit from that selfishness.

>>715216803
Literally just spend like a little tiny bit of time reading about modern socialism in scandinavia and the ill effects of trickle down economics.
i bet you've had this opinion for a while and haven't really read up on it.
effects of trickle down

>>715216311
Suppose I should have specified, I'm not that knowledgeable on the subject but I have an open mind, just curious on a few things. Thanks for answering.

2. Ok I see. But if people get paid different have therefore have different capital thereafter, what happens if people invest their capital and the wealth inequality increases. Wouldnt that be a problem?

Maybe I'm missing something.

I really don't get how people don't see socialism or at least a more socialist society as a bad thing.

More social mobility isn't a bad thing. If the money gets truncated right at the top then it'll stay their through inheritance. I don't agree with 100% of the wealth being spread to 100% of the people, or people who genuinely work hard getting rich off of it. But at the same time i do have a problem with how the money is spread. Bankers rile me in particular, when the crash happened it was a clear sign that they'd fucked up big time for everyone to see. If i fuck up at my job i get fired, simple as that. What happened to all the bankers? The public bailed them out and the high-ups still got their bonuses. A group of fantastically wealthy people, bailed out by everyone else after they screwed up living big off out money, it makes me sick!

I certainly don't think communism is the answer and i think full socialism (as in everyone gets the same wage) is the answer either. However fairer taxation where its based off income works as taxes should be as hard on everyone, that's only fair. Not to the point to take away incentivizing or else everyone would take the easiest job going, but more than we have now. Also fairer work hours seems like a pretty simple fix, so many people end up saying they are over worked even for low skill jobs, yet their remains a truly stupid amount of UN-employed. Change it to incentive companies to hire more people and work them all less hours, this way the ones in work don't have to shoulder the burden of the UN-employed through benefits and housing for them. Also lowering the cost for college/university means more people can do it, so the high skill jobs can be filled as well without overworking them.

Little changes like that would work so much better.

>>715216929
Scandinavia has had collapses before and they're like 1/100th our size.

>>715217101
I don't know how that applies in anyway to what i said.

>>715216929
People in Finland fucking hate the taxes and socialism, towns look like shit communist shitholes. People wish the country was less socialistic because the government doesn't do shit. Everything is expensive and no one wants to work hard. No incentive to start a business either. The population is dying, the demographics show it too. Socialism doesn't work and it's already too late here. People are lefist fucks that fuck themselves.

Wow.. When did this idiocy become a meme?
And so much work for an unfunny joke..

>>715217157
You have no idea what you're talking about you dopey eyed knuckle scraping troglodyte

>>715217155
You cited them as an example of where socialism works and socialism doesn't work there either. It does in short bursts then the whole country blows up because nature is capitalistic.

>>715217260
What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>715207385
the reason you make money in a capitalist society is because you provided a service

why in the hell do you think we have computers?

it sure as fuck wasnt because of a socialist society

bell laboratories (the company made by the dood who thought up the fuckin telephone) was so god damn rich and flush with cash from MAKING FUCKING TELEPHONES FOR EVERY PERSON IN THE COUNTRY - they started spending a HUGE amount of money on R&D for not 10 year goals but 50 year goals. crazy things. shots in the dark. they made transistors.

now you can sit and fap to hentai while not having a job and still somehow managing to have food to eat, clean water to drink, a bed to sleep in, AND A COMPUTER FILLED WITH TRANSISTORS

when you make money,it should always be because you youre making peoples lives better.

please dont confuse what we have today with capitalism

when the government shows any sort of leniency or favoritism towards any company it BREAKS the system

thats all we have today.

>>715217289
Reality. Not your libtard kumbaye fantasy.

>>715216836
...

You're an imbecile, most long term sociological studies, backed by actual historical evidence, have shown most inheritances being squandered and "empires" crashing than any other scenario.

God, that was such a fucking retarded reply.

Selfishness isn't beneficial to anyone, not even the individual being selfish in most cases. In a few situations it can bring innovation, but in most cases it results in wasted resources. I mean, really, I'm not even talking economics here, I'm talking common sense. Egotistical bastards crash and burn often because of excesses, they either isolate themselves or get isolated by others, and all the while all they did was screw shit up for everyone. You need a reality slap, man.

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what does it even matter. we are all going to die anyway

>>715217378
Give me links or evidence.
When a company hires you, don't you benefit getting that job? Some rich fuck could have financed you by investing daddy's money in that company for SELFISH reasons.
And if the job produces products or services, does that not benefit society?
It's all mutually beneficial.

>>715217378
>overwhelming evidence that I conveniently won't cite
Have you ever considered you might be a socialist because you're fucking lazy?

>>715217037
Those should be fairly obvious first steps for anyone with half a brain to realize that would lead to a more just and developed society, but I fear this thread has an excess of egocentrism to let such a thing happen...

>>715211329
>moral hazard

Get out. You do not belong in a conversation with adults.

>>715216238
>every employee want to kill him with a baseball bat
I don't want to kill the owner of the business I work at. He made a wise investment. Why should I hold that against him? I'm perfectly capable of making investments of my own.

>>715217317
Except what we have today is effectively what capitalism has become.

Saying socialism doesn't work because it wasn't applied as it should in the past seems about as legitimate as saying we should stop implementing capitalism, since we clearly went way off on it and are just massively exploiting untold millions of people around the world.

Watch the double standards.

>>715217825
this.
Typically it goes like this.
Losers make excuses, winners make money.

18

>>715217819
Moral hazard is an economic term that very much exists.

>>715207662
>communism=socialism
>american education

>>715217596
Have you ever considered that it's much easier to be lazy as a capitalist than as a socialist?

I can literally mooch off daddy's fortune as a capitalist. As a socialist, if I stopped working, I wouldn't last long.

Hahahaha, that attempt at an insult was so dumb, I'm actually laughing out loud.

>>715217974
Indeed

>>715218004
If your father was wealthy he wouldn't have raised a welfare queen.
And it wasn't an insult, it's an observation.

>>715217037
The bankers didn't fuck up, the dumbasses taking loans outside their means fucked up.

>>715207418
>profits we produced
This meme needs to die, be cremated, and scattered in the wind.

>>715218004
Give link to study lazy fuck

>>715207616
Eh, I think unused labor in a market is invaluable labor, so idk about that bro

>>715218077
>because having more money automatically leads to higher moral standards

Not

>>715208201
As opposed to the dicatatorship of the proletariat. Marx was a smart guy for sure but he made a few key misjudgements in his labor theory and beliefs in human nature.

>>715208196
That's a horse's foot after having the hoof removed. Unless that was a needed surgery or that animal was already dead, whoever did that needs to get their kneecaps forcefully removed.

>>715218094
The bankers made all the credit appealing as hell. Nothing to worry about, pay back comfortably over 50 years. Oh wait, we forgot to tell you we gave you money that didn't exist in the first place, because of it actually being properly invested, a major chunk of it got stolen and/or given to a few select individuals that control the system.

Don't get me wrong, I'm always about responsabilization and people did fuck up by overindebting, but if you think that wasn't the scenario bankers manipulated, you're awfully naive.

People were made to believe their massive debts were somehow benefitial to them. And that idea sure has fuck didn't spawn from nothing, it was planted.

>>715208303
Einstein forgets that competition for lanor creates demand and therefore value. Controlling labor decreases real wages.

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>>715215141
Nice argument

>>715212480
looks like a horse's foot lmao

>>715210257
Trickle down nonsense. Giving more money to the top demonstrably does not mean more jobs are created.

>>715207337
Anyone past the age of 24 who is still a socialist or communist is a moron and I have nearly no respect for their opinions. They have no idea the reality of life or how competition drives innovation and advancement more than any other thing in this world, including nationalism. The only reason socialism and communism kept up in the past was through psuedo-competetion in the form of the cold war.
The only people that support the ideologies are people who have never worked a day in their life, or people who get caught up in the pretty prose of dictators and romantacists.

>>715218196
I'm on my phone, not at my computer at the faculty I work at. An actual sociology faculty, at an university that teaches psychology, sociology, economics, anthropology and biology. I've probably gone through more data on this subject the past year alone than you will your entire life, you oblivious moron.

If anyone here is lazy, it's you, that can't make even the most basic research and eat your spooned bullshit. I actually have to study these things for a living.

>>715208196
Is that a toe-less horse foot?

>>715213438
>morality is always subjective

>removal of freedom is always immoral

Retard alert

>>715218709
Increasing wages demonstrably means more jobs become redundant.

>>715216632
I think it's pretty obvious that almost every example of trickle down economics hasn't worked the way they claim it does. Stop watching Friedman thinking anything he said actually came true.

I told my dad that I didn't think democracy worked and he got mad at me. I was 12.

So I read Plato's The Republic and never spoke to my father again.

>>715217835
yes but capitalism doesnt break whole societies and economies, KILLING PEOPLE

its best because its the best we have

not because its some fuckin holy text

free market capitalist societies are the most robust and stable. they provide better lives for people. thats just a fact.

i hope you starve to death

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>>715207337
fuck i wish i was born in a rich family

>>715207337
>being this autistic

>>715219039
I was, and it's bad. I've been kidnapped 3 times in the past 10 years. My father has always refused to pay the ransom. I've lost 3 fingers, a toe, and have been ass raped twice.

>>715217835
when socialism fails millions of people die and whole society are destroyed.

when capitalism "fails" you have to get the 44" instead of the 55" plasma

fuck off

>>715207337
18-19

>>715219141
This is like the old engineering saying....

>>715216632
>Economics Lv 0
MPC goes down when wealthy have more capital so gdp goes down with low interest rates.

>>715218479
Marx was a naive romantic who spent most of his days crashing at his rich friends houses.

>>715207337
Never. Socialism is for lazy fucks who whine about rich people. It's not hard to make money, or wealth for that matter. A majority of socialistards are degenerate whiners. The problem is never the economy. The problem is you, and your incompetence to adapt to gaining profit in harsher times.

>>715207337
12. Right now I am 13.

I was driving in my car the other day and said "fuck it" I drove to my friends house and we concocted a great idea.

We sat outside wendy's until 6 am drinking rye and cokes and watching pornography on my fathers iphone. Finally he emerged, wendy himself. I ran up to wendy and i said "wendy, when did you become a trap"

"socialism" said wendy....I didn't know what she meant...

"4chan, 6am, be there"

Well here I am OP, I mean, wendy.

>>715216717
how much money do you think companies make of rich people?

do you have any idea the kind of profit margins you are working with when you have people who DONT GIVE A FUCK because they literally couldnt spend all their money if they tried?

you make way more money from one dood with 500 mil then 500 doods with 1 mil

thats just the way it is.

>>715219204
He naiveté sullied his otherwise profound and thought provoking career in ethics and economics. He was a massively important step to discovering the truth in both fields.

>>715219309
How does that make sense....

dude with 500 mil buys 10 t.v's,

500 dudes with 500 mil buy 5'000 tv's.

>>715219018
Yes, it did and it does, you dumb bastard. What do you think the war for oil is? What do you call invading another country under false pretense of "helping install democracy" and then stealing resources? You brainwashed motherfucker, capitalism is as sanguinary as any other system, but the truth is socialism has never been properly implemented anywhere in the world, while capitalism was and here we stand.

Idiot.

>>715218740
You would have more credibility if you didn't work in an industry that indoctrinates it's patrons.

>>715219309
Are you retarded.

500 people are going to buy more than one person will.

>>715219309
Fuck, another autist.

>>715219309
Bait.

>>715217835
>crams his socialism into your capitalism for 75 years

>screams at you about how your capitalism isnt working correctly because its got his socialism crammed into it

jesus fuckin christ are you this delusional?

>>715219261
How much acid was involved?

>>715219379
What makes you think socialism will ever be implemented properly?
How would that even be done?

>>715219444
2.

Also nice trips man.

>>715219379
Laziness exists, Greed exists, Creativity exists, Adaptability exists, and Innovation exists.

Your shitty ideals will never be properly implemented. Socialism is stupid pseudoscience.

>>715219503
First, you shoot everyone who isn't a socialist. Then you plant the eggs, convince eggs through media that their god is a socialist. They will follow all socialist ideals.

>>715219583
You don't even know what pseudoscience means.....do you.

>>715219379
yea the government having so much military might and wealth (from capitalism) and wanting to protect the stability of the free world for generations to come (you want sandniggers to control the oil??) is a failure

sorry dood when someone other then the only thing close to capitalism starts literally changing the fuckin world every decade

we can talk.

until then you can sit in stagnation on the brink of famine by yourself with other people who dont want to make their own lives better.

>>715216677
Living in sweden I can tell you this couldn't be further from the truth

>>715207337
Just think about how fucking stupid must be the person who made that pic. Just think about it for a sec.

What the fuck does the wine bottle even represent? Where is the wine coming from? How is the wine bottle becoming smaller while the top glass becomes bigger?

This is the same old lunacy these fucking commies have been deluding themselves with since the beginning of time. The notion that there's a fixed amount of wealth in the world and that the wealthy somehow takes away from the poor.

>>715219503
Forgot to ask, what has stopped socialism from being implemented properly so far?

>>715219680
>Socialism

Faggots like you, go do your homework.

>>715207337
Since people on average move to the right on the political spectrum as they age, your inferance is backwards.

>>715219390
We don't indoctrinate anyone. We deal with the most recent and accurate data available to us and the faculties work in comcert all the time to make sure that the theories around the fabric of society come as close to reality as human intellect is able.

You want to talk about indoctrination, take a look at the stupidity of most comments in this thread and how people actually believe Capitalism to be some sort of enlightened system, even though free market isn't real, there's no core regulation against exploitation and the ideal of liberty was paired with the concept of consumption to such an extent that people have almost no concerns in life that aren't directly connected to money.

It's sheepish to say the least, I'm sorry but it simply is. Libertarianism isn't the way to progress just as conservatism isn't. If your ideology isn't founded on the concepts of equality, responsabilization, Ethics and Logic, it is inherently wrong.

>>715219625
pseu·do·sci·ence

a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

Try again.

>>715219773
>>715219773
You don't know fuck all do you.

>>715219729
And how do we deal with faggots like me?
We aren't just going to up and kill ourselves.
Come on, start offering some solutions instead of just complaining about the problem.

>>715217578
I'd rather not die because of some rich ass hat who doesn't care about the people he represents is picking a fight with anyone who ever came to America.

>>715219372
uh no

dood with 500 mill buys 1 tv insane crazy tv for 1 million dollars

the tv is high tech. the company can justify charging a LARGE margin because (supply demand) the rich greedy fuck cant get his super tech special tv anywhere else (BECAUSE THEY FUCKIN INVENTED IT)

specialtvs inc makes about a 500k profit.

if they sold 500 tvs for net sales of 1 mil

they would make about 150 or 200k

>>715219812
You just fucking googled that, if I wanted the fucking googled definition I'd fucking google it.

However, I suppose I'll make myself clear..

Calling someone who talks about the theories of socialism a "pseudoscientist" is like calling someone who studies education a "pseudoscientist".

It makes you a fucking moron who doesn't know what pseudoscience means.

Go fuck your mother. Fucking monkey in a fucking chair mother fucker fuck!.

>>715219823

Faggots like >>715219729
Never will. It'll never be implemented properly due to human nature. And even if it does by freak accident, it's only a matter of time before it collapses again.

>>715219396
how much is a ferrari?

how much is a honda?

i can buy a honda for about 5k dollars

how many hondas would i have to buy to reach a ferrari sticker price?

are you 5?

>>715207337
socialism and humans will never work together

>>715219426
>>715219414
>>715219396
>>715219923

rigidy rekt

>>715219812
You're kinda really retarded aren't you?

>>715219810
>We don't indoctrinate anyone
I know a girl who went to University to do a course on civil engineering.
The first unit that was covered was; Why Donald Trump is a bad person.
I also know people who have been refused a passing grade because of there political allignment.

>>715219881
It would be 5000 tv's, nobody just buys one if they have a million bucks. I make 80k a year and own 4 tv's. 5000 * 1000 bucks a piece = 5'000'000 bucks.

The retail store makes about 10 percent off the sale, 500'000 bucks, all going to the retail stores.

the company makes about 40 percent off the tv's after overhead, or about 2 million bucks.

The people who made the parts make a million bucks.

The middle man makes a million bucks.

people who made the small parts make 500'000 bucks.

Are you even a logical person or am I wasting my time?

>>715219888
Kek. I did google that for proper reference, maybe you should've done that yourself. But then again, typical socialist can't find anything, so he whines about the problem thinking I lack the knowledge of knowing what socialism is.

Plus, I never implied you were a pseudoscientist. Astrology is counted as a pseudoscience. I guess believers are pseudoscientists according to your retarded way of thinking.

You can apply that definition to anything. You can nearly apply any theory to the Scientific method.

Boo hoo, made the commie mad. U mad capitalism is making your incompetent ass poor?

>>715219923
A millionaire is going to own at least a 50'000 dollar car.

500*50'000 = 25 million dollars.

>>715220082
Astrology is a pseudoscience, astronomy is not.

I think you're confusing astrology with astronomy, and I believe you're confused as to what pseudoscience is. You can't just call things pseudoscience if you don't agree with them. They literally have to be entirely false, and based solely on conjecture. It has to be a completely made up piece of shit that fails to be proven time and time again.

>>715220032
OK NOT TVS WIDGETS

please just confuse yourself more with non sequitors

>>715219503
Socialism cannot be implemented in any society that lacks transparency when it comes to production, its means and allocation. If you don't know how much is produced in total, how much a particular individual produces and how the gains from the product are distributed, you have no way of telling if there's any sense of justice and equality in place.

That lack of transparency can be arguably said to be maintainted by everyone, unfortunately, because both the individual that doesn't produce enough to warrant his 10x the minimum "wage" (let's go with the word wage just to make it simple, but the word that would better explain it is simply gain) as well as the individual that doesn't produce enough for even the bare minimum "wage" have interest in maintaining the situation.

Lack of fiscalization due to lack of transparency or means to correctly measure productions and its myriad aspects is perhaps the main reason for the massive inequality and massive gal of standard of living that keeps growing and growing. But the thing is, things have become much more transparent lately, because even though there are uneducated masses, even though there are plenty of schemes and manipulation of public opinion, the abuses and excesses became so obvious to the point that people started pushing for accountability. It will turn ugly and it'll happen maybe in our lifetime, it's becoming more and more chaotic by each passing year.

>>715220232
I'm just saying

500 people with a million dollars each will spend more than 1 person with 500 million dollars.

They will spend more on gas, on living, on property.

Also, each person typically owns two cars, a millionaire could easily spend anywhere from 50-100k on a car.

Meaning a person with 500 million would have to own roughly 1000 cars to amount to the same spending.

I guess I'm just somebody that looks at things logically.

If you want to factor a cubic function sometimes you have to sub in a random value for x, and try to find 0.

>>715220349
yes they will spend money and provide stability for the economy but there will not be the same amount of money spent on things that will provide innovation and gains in technology

and their spent money will be buying more products at a lower rate

not less products at a higher profit margin

>>715220208

Holy shit you are retarded. No, I am talking about Astrology. The stupid zodiac bullshit that hippies believe in.

Pseudosciences are beliefs/theories/practices that people regard as true, although they lack any sort of evidence backed by the scientific method.

Pseudosciences are not entirely false in some cases. In fact, the theory of socialism is a very possible thing if people can actually maintain a socialist state. Which they cannot. At least properly.

Lrn 2 definition

>>715220465
But that still doesn't make sense.

Buying one ferarri and buying 1000 other cars are two seperate things.

Ferarri can hire 10 guys to design and build 1 ferrarri, and using that logic they need like 10'000 guys to build and design 1000 other cars. Meaning more jobs, technological growth, etc.

>>715220208
Just to add to my post >>715220469
Socialism will always fail. Human nature will never permit socialism to work it's ideal way as most dream it to be. It's fluff. Political opium if anything. People need to get their heads out of their asses to think that it will ever truly work.

I like being rich. I like the idea of being rich in a free market. I like the idea of my maids licking caviar off my balls while I smoke a cigar. Communism just don't do that, my red friend.

>>715220469
No, socialism is not a pseudoscience, which is why it is not entirely false.

Pseudoscience does not have to be regarded as true, whatsoever. It's just entirely false and does not follow the scientific method. If something does not follow the scientific method, it means it is inherently false.

Do you know what the scientific method is, or do I have to explain that to you as well?

>>715220631
Socialism may never work, but you can study it, and it can be implemented. It is a true theory, it exists.

It's not pseudoscience.

>>715219994
Well, I can tell you that any professor that pulled such a stunt here would have decent chances of being fired on the spot. Then again, I'm not from the US, we don't deal with the absurdity of overpoliticizing and polarization that you have over there, so it's easier here to separate politics from ideologies.

A person can go against an ideology, even a massively accepter one, and thrive if he puts the work into it and is able to back it up logically and morally, but going against facts is unacceptable here. Here, someone's opinion isn't accepted over facts, and gotta thank the biology faculty for ensuring that proper scientific method is implemented all around.

Multidisciplinary universities are usually great for these things, but it's unfortunately very dependent on the quality of the people that lead and shape the faculties.

>>715220566
who makes cars faster and more efficient?

not companies striving to stay in the black

>>715220703
I'm not from the US, I'm from NZ and I was blown away when I heard this.
I thought we were above that kind of shit here.

>>715220636
Never once has true socialism ever gone through the scientific method. At most it was tested before it started completely fucking up and took a new form everywhere it was implemented. Yes, socialism is still a pseudoscience.

Every believer in socialism tends to cry out about "Hurr durr that's not true socialism" whenever it completely fails in a country. Although I agree it's not true socialism. The lack of thereof doesn't prove it a real possibility.

>>715220748
What? No, just no, all of them without exception want to make cars that are faster, consume less, are more comfortable, etc.

What the fuck are you smoking? I want some of that shit

>>715220875
Socialism is not psudoscience, any more than studying education is.

That's like saying communism is psudoscience.

>>715220688
It can never be implemented. It's a theory. Pseudoscientific theory with the lack of substance to back up a true test of effectiveness, and that's due to how everyone is different. It's political fiction.

>>715220980
you're retarded.

>>715220980
the nazi party was socialist.

>>715220874
Wow, that's crazy oO Honestly didn't see that one coming.

This makes me dread the future of universities. If universities can't be a safe haven for study, research, development, neutrality, I'm not sure we have much left...

>>715220942
uh no you fuckin idiot

theres a reason companies sponsor formula one

>>715221015
they were communist nationalist

>>715220943
Proper education actually has gone through the proper testing, and has actually gone through the scientific method. Education is not exclusively teaching ideals, or untested theories. They're actually established, and maintained unless replaced by a more effective fact. Socialism hasn't achieved that.

>>715221076
okay now you're pissing me off.

>>715221096
you don't know shit.

You probably haven't even read Marx.

>>715220943
socialism is pseudoscience because the methods it claims to work

turns out dont work

they claim they have cause and effect but they dont

all they have is assertions that their world view is compatible with reality

not evidence.

>>715220994
Oh boy. You sure proved me wrong. Before calling me retarded, consider contributing to this debate.

>>715221051
Name 10 companies that don't care about improving their cars and/or haven't in the last decade.

Ok, too hard, name just 5.

Name 1.

>>715221107
That was some other anon, actually. Trip codes don't seem to be a thing here.

>>715221107
china is socialist

>>715221146
wow kill yourself

>>715221167
So socialism is wrong, that doesn't make it a pseudoscience.

Communism is wrong.

Nazism was wrong.

Both are not considered pseudosciences. Try harder.

>>715221076
Socialist Nationals....

>>715221146
I actually have. The communist manifesto has only strengthened my claim. Just because I don't like the idea of socialism, doesn't mean that I lack the capacity to understand it. I just think it's a pie in the sky.

>>715218836
If that's true then the jobs were already redundant.

>>715221341
So, socialism is a real thing. People beleive it. It's a set of beliefs. You don't believe it and it hasn't been properly implemented, so it's a pseudoscience? Studying it does not make sense for economics? It isn't part of the structure of economics? It means nothing? It's all useless bullshit?


Here's why I don't think it's a pseudoscience.

Imagine there's two types of people in the world.

Traps, and normal people.

Nobody has ever seen a trap in person before, I'm not gay and I don't like dicks. Does that mean that traps don't exist? Does that mean studying why traps are the way they are is unscientific? No.

Traps are real man, they exist, and they are here to stay.. Get used to it.

>>715221258
Socialism has not been properly tested through the scientific method. It has never gone to the point of being properly implemented where it can be measured as something real.

Nazism has. Nazism isn't a pseudoscience

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>>715221199
Lada